Jason Bermas at Hollywood protest

[tubeshok]

Jason Bermas defends the Jews: /watch?v=2NJy8D7J6Qs

[Ryan198416]

A brick shithouse would be a lot better then the plastic ones we use on construction sites! Jason Bermas, get a fucking life!

[lashkaretoiba]

Is the pharse "built like a brick shit house" typical architecture jargon? lol!

[joeysmom6074]

LOL Doubt he has a clue as to what he is referring to either.. He is the dumbest and loudest of the trio though... and the 3rd one.. such a good patriot.. was arrested for desertion.. They are all 3 film school flunkies.. sad sad..

[lashkaretoiba]

LMAO@ going AWOL on a volunteer military.

[Mrnephalim]

Noone's debunked thermite. I dont care what side is right but there should never have been demo technology there. The only reason you find explosives at a demo site is when the site is going to be destroyed plain and simple.

[falseflagburner]

''the worst thing is when you lie to yourself'' we could say the exact same thing to all the official story conspiracy theorists. how did the muslims make n.o.r.a.d. stand down ? by praying to allah ? was it the muslims who blocked the f.b.i from investigating bin laden ? a building collapsing in to its own footprint at almost freefall speed due to structural weakening from fire is rare enogh as it is but three times in one day who are you kidding if not yourself.

[shakinthebushboss]

Jason Bermas needs to find another world cause he ain't living in this one.

You can be lied to.

You can tell a lie.

But the worst thing is when you lie to yourself.

[WeCanAllGetAllong]

Loose change was GREAT! The 911 truth movement is BIGGER THEN EVER! If you still think 911 was not an inside job,your an idiot!

[TWOOFERSareRETARDED]

I disagree with everything you say!

[nodramareturns]

facts prove that "LOOSE CHANGE" is a work of FICTION!

[b0ris360]

"your an idiot". Oh dear! I think you meant to say, you're an idiot!

[AmericasFan]

Bermas is an idiot. Just like the rest of the conspiracy morons.

[terrymanning1]

Bermas is a liar. Loose Change is garbage. The 9/11 'truth' movement are utter scum.

[chumfilter]

this kids a loser, and you are losers for believing him

[gauchoperezoso]

¨I am just not buying the UFOs and Missiles hitting the towers on 9-11. It's just too much fun for me.¨

have you seen loose change?? i dont think so, cuz they are not talking about ufo or missiles hitting towers on 9/11. pentagon was struck by a missile not the twin towers. and on a more general note. i dont care who made loose change, i dont care who debunks it, i am using my own brain to question the official version of what happend on 9/11, and as a result of that i can say its all a big lie

[Darkit2099]

YOu say that because you've been debunked millions of times. Look up Loose Change Debate Program on youtube. Jason Bermas and Dylan Avery actually talk to real researchers and literally flip flop on everything they've said, get proven wrong, and still fail to admit it. Also laugh how Dylan Avery barely speaks for over a minute and still with his "I've met many people affected by 9.11" like it's his only defense

[CommonSenseIsKing]

Sad how these little truther kids manufacture a cause in a desperate attempt to have some kid if "cause." They seem to love chanting follish shit and marching a lot huh?

This is just "social fashion" A trend... a bunch of misfits trolling for pussy. Burmas is a poser who MUST know by now he is wrong and because of the typical know it all 20 yr old mindeset... Simply cannot concede.

This is a hobby for these kids. The conviction in their eyes is not sincere.

[gauchoperezoso]

CommonSenseIsKing, i like your nick and agree to a certain extend with it, yet what you write after all shows you have no regard for common sense whatsoever. how can you be so blind, so brainwashed by the government propaganda to still think it wasnt the american administration who stood behind the 9/11, it is proven, and what proves it is the common sense. like i said you are either totally naive and simply stupid or you are one of the people who stand behind 9/11 to claim osama did it all

[DIYcomedy123]

Or can it be said that you are so blind and brainwashed by truther propaganda? Truthers lose credibility as a direct result of Anti-American BS being the "new black." It's fashionable to subsist in a capitalist society whilst feigning a lust for socialism.

I am not down with bored young adults who want something to protest on weekends so badly that they conjure up outlandish BS. I am just not buying the UFOs and Missiles hitting the towers on 9-11. It's just too much fun for me.

[waitingforthewind]

come on guys...go and tell the world that 911 was an inside job....no other explanation ..

tell the world that the truth is closer than ever

[kbc2006]

"It's a brick-shit house"

hmmm... sounds like a term an engineer would use... Bermas must have really done some research here!!

[DISCLOSURE: this in fact was a sarcastic comment!]

[terrymanning1]

Jason Bermas is a foul mouthed liar & a fraud.

Loose Change is a pack of lies & fantasy.

And fix that gappy grin, you're uglier than Shrek.

[Fernandez218]

LOL

[911insidejo8]

Taibbi is such a condescending haughty twit I can't give him credibility. Especially the way he basically says that by us speaking the truth about 911 that we're making liberals look bad for the next election, as if consvs like myself don't comprise a big chunk of the truth mvt

Besides, what the hell are his credentials? I think he writes for Rolling St which plays into the phony left/right paradigm

Op Nthwds was INTENDED but rej by JFK and proves officials in the gov will execute terror

[terrymanning1]

In your opinion!

Taibbi presents an honest & amusing account of what 'truthers' subscribe to.

The fact that you round on him proves the point. He's right & you 'truthers' are just sad believers of a bankrupt fantasy!

[dumalucky]

No matter how reprehensible we consider Moussaoui's conduct to be, it is nevertheless true that the system that manipulated evidence in order to convict Moussaoui also manipulated evidence in order to hide its own culpability in failed and torturous national security

[dumalucky]

U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema...called the conduct of Carla J. Martin, a Transportation Security Administration lawyer, "the most egregious violation of the court's rules on witnesses" she had seen "in all the years I've been on the bench."

Martin violated a court order by e-mailing trial transcripts to seven witnesses -- all current and former federal aviation employees -- and coaching them on their upcoming testimony, court papers say. She also shared the e-mails among the witnesses

[dumalucky]

FBI whistleblower Colleen Rowley's observations, in her 2002 "bombshell memo" to FBI Director Robert Mueller, show that, from the beginning of its interactions with Moussaoui, the government sought to misrepresent and manipulate facts.

[dumalucky]

``It was never done for the reward, but when you give $5 million to a person who didn't call the FBI and didn't put his job on the line, are they rewarding someone for calling the FBI or for testifying?'' asked Nelson, 47, of St. Paul, Minn

[dumalucky]

A prosecution witness in the case received a whopping $5 million reward paid at a secret State Department ceremony. Witnesses who apparently did more to alert authorities to Moussaoui, were not asked to testify ?? The action has an unseemly implication, that testimony was purchased. The administration's handling of the case overall has disturbing implications for the future of the justice system and national security.

[dumalucky]

US intelligence apparatus was aware at some level of the unfolding plans for terrorist strikes against US targets, and let them proceed in order to provide a suitable pretext for the military action that the Bush administration and the Pentagon were planning to undertake in Central Asia.

[dumalucky]

Repeated efforts to investigate were being thwarted. Top-level FBI officials were protecting Moussaoui and his confederates, running interference for him when his own reckless and impulsive conduct brought him to the attention of the authorities. The question is, why?

[dumalucky]

Even on the morning of September 11, as the Minneapolis FBI agents were watching television coverage of the suicide attacks on the Twin Towers, Frasca called Rowley to tell her not to proceed with an investigation of Moussaoui

[dumalucky]

May 22 letter from Colleen Rowley, official in the Minneapolis FBI office, to FBI Director Robert Mueller Virtually the entire is published in an issue of Time magazine and posted on its website!!!. The letter documents incompetence and bureaucratic indifference, active opposition to an investigation of Moussaoui, sabotage so obvious that it led Minneapolis FBI personnel to joke that agents of Osama bin Laden must have penetrated the J. Edgar Hoover building.

[dumalucky]

ROLLEDTACOS..your not clever in fact its clear your head is in URANUS!! you see I am better at this as well! now piss off jerk!!

[dumalucky]

Not at all!! Rolledovertobefucked.. TELL YOU WHAT!! IS OPERATION NORTHWOOD A DELUSION!! WELL COME ON ANSWER BOY!! OR IS THE FACT THAT THE TONKIN ATTACKS NEVERT HAPPENED A DELUSION!! COME ON BOY ANSWER!! GO ON !! ANSWER!!

[dumalucky]

really is that your best? my god what a wanker you are!!

[dumalucky]

I have an IQ of 139.. clearly yours is much lower..and generally.. if you look at USA compared to just about any country on this planet you will find yourselves at the bottom of education results!! FACT!!

[terrymanning1]

dummy

If youve an IQ of 139 then they need to reset the scale because youre idiotic beliefs confirm your status as that of a retard!

Operation Northwoods was rejected ok. REJECTED! Do you understand the meaning of rejected?

[dumalucky]

terymanning!! YOU LIE!! THERE IS NO RECORD OF A REJECTION!! BUT IT IS PRESUMED THAT KENNEDY REJECTED IT!! AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM!! BUT MORE TO THE POINT!! IT WAS CONSIDERED POSSIBLE!! YES!! 100's OF CIA OPERATIVES! WERE READY AND WILLING TO LIE AND KILL US CITIZENS!!

[terrymanning1]

dumass

No. Sorry, but YOU are the liar!

Operation Northwoods never happened. It was REJECTED ok!!! You should know all about rejection! It's a way of life for misfits like you.

Go read "The hopeless stupidity of 9/11 conspiracies" by Matt Taibbi available online. Sums you idiotic 'truthers' up once & for all.

[Makaveli696]

who are you, the fuckin' anti-chists propaganda pusher? why dont you eat a dick you fascist illuminati asshat! come up here to Canada and run your mouth clown shoes, i'll bitch slap your yankee ass right back across niagara falls, if you can deny that bush and the CIA set up 9/11 than you must work for them, or you're afraid to speak out against them, well guess what punk, for you, the Illuminati and every piece of shit like them on earth, Nutz to your nose, to your lips, to your chin!

[terrymanning1]

maka

Take a chill pill fuckwit.

Loose Change is a lie. Deal with it.

[dumalucky]

is that the best you can do? what a jerk you are rolledoveranddied!! YOU COWARD!! FACE IT!! YOUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN HIJACKED!!

[dumalucky]

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

[dumalucky]

An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts,

[dumalucky]

a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck;

[dumalucky]

from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara. The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians.

[dumalucky]

Rolledover and covered his eyes because he is a coward that does not want to face the truth about bush and his cohorts... you sad bastard.. you dont deserve to live in a democracy!!

[dumalucky]

U JERK Rollercoma!! DO you THINK I WANT TO BELIEVE A COUNTRY WITH YOUR MILITARY POWER IS RUN BY A BUNCH OF LOONY DICTATORS HIDDING BEHIND BUSH AND CLINTON!! IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE HOW IT IS!!! YOUR OWN FOUNDING FATHERS!! STATED THATS HOW IT WOULD BE UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE HAPPENED!!

[dumalucky]

OH bullshit!! what ?? because some Arab in USA custody or paid thousands maybe millions of $ says so in a typical kangaroo USA cort... please dont insult my intelligence!! AND THE FACT REMAINS!! THAT BIN LADEN is NOT!! ON THE FBI's MOST WANTED POSTERS FOR 9/11 !! FACT!!

[dumalucky]

Its called a POLL YOU IDIOT ROLLEDTACOMA!!! NEVER HEARD OF ONE? YOU DUMB FUCK

[dumalucky]

Grow up! Rolledtacoma!! there is so much evidence circumstantial and factual... you would have to be a coward or brain dead to believe the official story

[dumalucky]

you idiot!! loose change is just a smallbranch of the tree of knowledge about 9/11 ..People are waking up everyday and realising 9/11 was an inside job!More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East,

[dumalucky]

HEY SHITHEAD! ROLLEDTACOHEAD!>> fool yourself! if you want to>> but you are the minority!!

[terrymanning1]

dummyunlucky

You're the kind of guy who truly believes his own bullshit.

None of the surveys/polls you refer to specifically ask the following question:

"Do you believe George W. Bush or his administration masterminded the 9/11 attacks?"

There is a huge difference between asking people if they blame the Bush administration for incompetence & asking if they believe Bush masterminded the attacks.

Guess thats too tricky for you to comprehend.

[dumalucky]

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

eat shit again terrynappyman!!

[terrymanning1]

dummy

Eat sh*t yourself you insignificant little prat.

If the polls are true there sure are plenty of gullible Americans out there willing to believe in utter nonsense.

But then many Americans believe in UFO's & alien abductions too so maybe you're right!

The only people saying 9/11 was an inside job are nutjobs & idiots like you who follow them because you hate the USA.

[dumalucky]

Listen to Terrythejerk and his ignorence.. guess he dosnt know that there are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. stars in our universe.. AND FUNNY HOW HE THINKS THOSE SEEKING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11 HATE THE USA>> WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION MORE THAN ANY AVERAGE AMERICAN. FUCK OFF TERRY YOUR A JOKE

[terrymanning1]

dummy

Ignorance is your speciality!

Unfortunately for you & idiots like you, your pathetic 'truth' movement are finished. In over 6 years they have not been able to agree on a definitive version of events that fit genuine facts, let alone prove anything.

The scientific community have also abandoned your so called leaders, like Stephen Jones & Richard Gage, for the frauds they are.

But its a free country where even nutjobs like you can stand up & claim any old crap is fact.

[vadh09]

Jason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ulsterken]

he needs to fix that gap.

[terrymanning1]

Jason Bermas = LYING SCUM

[dumalucky]

In 1986, the United States was found guilty by the World Court of "unlawful use of violence" (international terrorism) for its actions in Nicaragua. The United States then promptly vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on all states to adhere to international law.

grow up terrymanning!! face the truth about your country!! and do something!!!

[terrymanning1]

dummy

9/11 was conclusively NOT an inside job. In over 6 years the laughably named 'truth' movement have utterly failed to provide a single shred of credible evidence or proof to back up the claim that "Bush did it"

You choose to believe & repeat lies & misrepresentations because you hate your country & your Government. But no matter how many times you repeat them they are still lies & always will be.

The 'truth' movement is finished. No-one's listening to you nutcases anymore.

[dumalucky]

Terry.. your statements are not true and you know it! You sound like you are in denial..because you are afraid and perhaps quite a coward!.. I hope you one day find the strength to face the truth about 9/11 and fight those who are really taking away your freedom!! 'homeland security'

[terrymanning1]

dummy

Wrong! My statements ARE true & YOU know it!

You & your ridiculous 'truth' movement are the peddlers of a bankrupt fantasy that NO-ONE believes in anymore, except for low IQ individuals too dim to see past the lies & deceit you try to pass off as fact.

[dumalucky]

A monumental new scientific opinion poll has emerged which declares that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks.

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:

[dumalucky]

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington rose from almost a third to almost half over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters of the population.

[terrymanning1]

dummy

The findings of an opinion poll asking leading questions about a very unpopular administration are bound to show discord.

The same thing happened in the UK last week when premier Brown's Labor Party lost hundreds of key local election seats as a result of unpopularity.

Guaranteed they would win a general election tomorrow though!

And dont underestimate the intelligence of the masses. They KNOW your 'truth' movement are full of shit.

[dumalucky]

Ha Ha.. your a looser who's lost and uses pathetic comparisons. Whats wrong with you? Are you mentally ill? or just stupid?

[dumalucky]

Funny? I dont recal any poll saying Brown knew about London Bombings? . But then thats because your comparison is bollcks and there isnt one! Sorry your no match for me or the Truth Movement!.. Take a hike Terrymanthetoilet

[terrymanning1]

dummy

Funny? I dont recall any poll saying Bush orchestrated 9/11. So its your comparison thats bollocks.

There is a difference between asking "Do you blame Bush for 9/11?" & "Do you think Bush DID 9/11?"

Yes people blame Bush because his administration failed to stop the attacks happening.

That is not the same as them saying they believe Bush masterminded the attacks.

But hey, youre a 'twoofer' fool dummy & you dont understand the difference between fact & fiction.

[dumalucky]

Was 9/11 an 'inside job'?

By THOMAS HARGROVE AND GUIDO H. STEMPEL III

SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks

Now dont bother me with any more lies theres a nice boy

[dumalucky]

Forty-five percent of American adults surveyed in a Zogby poll think that the September 11, 2001 attacks should be investigated anew. Poll results indicated that 42% believe that there has been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure).

[dumalucky]

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and "Consciously Failed" To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York's Attorney General, New Zogby International

[dumalucky]

Zogby Poll: Over 70 Million American Adults Support New 9/11 Investigation

PRWEB | May 23 2006

[kingkong20077]

can you believe this asshole?conspiracy my ass

[lilchico4wg]

can you believe bush? that asshole? you are ignorant, i will explain. (policitcal) Conspiracy = group of people working together to overthrow a gov't or organization. 19 cavemen defeating a trillion dollar defense system is an conspiracy just as much 911 truth alternative theory, but considered official. So gov't + media has taken conspiracy and has given it negative light and made people want to turn away from anything to do with "conspiracy," I do not believe the "official" conspiracy.

[dumalucky]

In 1986, the United States was found guilty by the World Court of "unlawful use of violence" (international terrorism) for its actions in Nicaragua. The United States then promptly vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on all states to adhere to international law.

Looks like you ass is your smartest part! idiot!

[TextAndViolence]

jason bermas i got a message for you. "SATAN WANTS HIS TEETH BACK!" you fucking muslim shill. everyone knows that you are part of the second wave of muslim 'soft-cell' terrorist, financed by groups with ties to osama, sent to spread disinformation. fuck you. fuck what you think. fuck what you stand for. and fuck off! untill such time as you magically sprout a brain you douche bag. And btw do something about that gap between your teeth for godsakes you look like fucking Howdy-Doody.

[TextAndViolence]

'Build like a brick shit-house.' - j.b.

let's leave your mom out of this.

[dumalucky]

In 1986, the United States was found guilty by the World Court of "unlawful use of violence" (international terrorism) for its actions in Nicaragua. The United States then promptly vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on all states to adhere to international law.

THE WORLD KNOWS!! 9/!! INSIDE JOB!!

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Art is so fascinated by the time that Flight 93 went down that he doesn't care about those that died onboard the flight.

[debunkthejunk]

TINC: I think Art does care, i think he's just trying to figure it all out for himself and asking th questions he needs to get there. he's a good person from what i gather, and means no disrespect. IMO

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

That's understandable but when he said that I'm contradicting myself kinda pissed me off. I don't contradict myself and I know it. I don't go from one theory to the next like CTists do and then get all confused with misinfromation. I'm glad he's doing research but he needs to work on his facts first.

[debunkthejunk]

oh, well i did see what transpired, i'm just saying he's been cool to me. i got two other guys i know both on either sides that started fighting too, but both cool. im just trying to help moderate the people i know, keep the dialog flowing. otherwise you're all GOING IN THE CAGE! hehe

[arthurVandeley]

TINC-

DBJ and I have been having a great debate. We are intrested in the role the Pakistani ISI played in 9/11. Specifically ISI Director General Mahmood Ahmed and ISI "asset" Saeed Shaikh. Do you know anything about this?

[arthurVandeley]

W said it himself "you're either with us or against us." Yet the ISI has been able to fund terrorists openly AND receive millions in aid from the U.S.? Something really doesn't add up here.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Well we all know Pakistan can't be trusted, that was even before 9/11. They can't even maintain their borders like us, that's how bad it really is.

[arthurVandeley]

but we continue to give them millions...

[arthurVandeley]

professor emeritus of physics Terry Morrone, Adelphi College, just wrote a paper talking about molten metal in the debris. How did it get there?  The combination of jet fuel and poor steel coating?

[debunkthejunk]

yah, molten metal. hard to say where it came from. many sources do cite very high temperatures in the debris pile many weeks after. sounds like an exothermic chemical reaction to me. who knows what happens when you pulverize a building and mix it up? not me, but people are working on it.

[arthurVandeley]

DBJ-the building was pulverized, it didn't collapse...do you agree? what are we to make of the seismic data? throw it out?

[debunkthejunk]

art: no, i would say the collapse pulverized the concrete, wallboard etc. i firmly believe the "self sustaining collapse". the seismic data concurs with this, it registered the first collapse and the final collapse in each building. link me with what you have so i can see.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

I don't care about the time with flight 93. People died in that flight and that's all my memory serves. They died being heroes and not giving up.

[arthurVandeley]

YOU wouldn't care about the time it crashed bc you dont look at that stuff. it contradicts what you believe. even DbtJ admitted flight 93 was strange. I agree 100% that those people died as heroes

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Why are you even talking about "molten steel" SIX WEEKS AFTER 9/11 happened? We're talking six weeks here AFTER the fact. So why is it that you think six weeks has to do with something to the investigation? As far as I know it wasn't steel, it was aluminum. The planes and the outter skin of the WTC were made of aluminum. Aluminum melts at over 600 degrees while for steel it takes a higher temp. Even the experts agreee it was aluminum and not steel.

[arthurVandeley]

so the columns in the middle of the towers were aluminum according to your research?

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Art atleast answer my fucking question and don't beat around the bush: "How can you not see a difference with the building in Spain and the WTC and why ask a question with a question when I asked for an answer to my question in the first place from you Art?"

[arthurVandeley]

easy on the f words there. i read the response to windsor on debunking911*com. I understand the differences in the buildings, but was there evidence of molten steel in Spain like the molten steel that was pouring out the WTC? Why was ground zero still hot enough to melt steel boots six weeks after 9/11?

[debunkthejunk]

1.5-8km/s, the speed of waves in the ground. you can see how a 1 second discrepancy over the distance the waves had to travel to be registered is small. the the 1 second is just statistical error, i thought it was delay. im looking for the dog info

[arthurVandeley]

DBJ-so what time do you accept as the official crash time of flight 93?

[debunkthejunk]

From what i gather it was 10:03. The FDR seems to back up the forced crash scenario too. Sounds like the passengers were coming for them and they said their prayers and crashed. thats my opinion.

[arthurVandeley]

what do you personally think is fishy about 93?

[debunkthejunk]

i thought the engine's distance from the crash and the secondary debris field were fishy. since then i have found that both accounts were exaggerated. the engine was found 300M from the impact and the debris found was not upwind, but down wind. sifting through this data is difficult, check as many sources as you can before making any decisions. i've also checked out the FDR and it suggests the plane was forced down.

[debunkthejunk]

forced down: i mean it suggests the passengers were coming to get the terrorists and the terrorists crashed the plane. see how easy it is to have an idea, try to express it, then have it be misinterpreted? forced down sounds like another jet came and forced it to crash. maybe i stumbled onto another theory?

[debunkthejunk]

I think the US government underestimated what al-qaeda was capable of, to the point of arrogance. I think this arrogance bit them on the ass on 9/11/2001. I think they should be telling the people EXACTLY what they knew then and know now. As well as what they know on other threats to America (i'm canadian so i rely on your war machine for many things)

[arthurVandeley]

Flight 93 is strange! gvt claims the flight went down at 10:03 (CVR stops at 10:02) and seismic data says 10:06. I think that is really fishy. Where are the bodies? The plane?

I want to believe the "government theory" as it pertains to WTC 1,2,7...but the Windsor Building in Spain amazes me! 10 seconds for buildings that were burning for apprx. 45 and 75 mins.

Bomb sniffing dogs pulled right before?

It really doesn't look good.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

"Where are the bodies? The plane?" Where do you think they are in relation to a hole in the ground where it impacted at Shanksville and I seen that hole up close and you can't tell me any different than it was a plane with people in it. Stop denying that people died onboard Flight 93. The building in Spain is built different. Any structural engineers will tell you! Bomb sniffing dogs are what we taxpayers pay for as well as fire and police protection. God you know nothing do you Art?

[arthurVandeley]

Are you serious?

You saw the hole in Shanksville on 9/11?

How are the buildings different? So if we taxpayers pay for the dogs, where were they?

You have made a lot of claims but you have not given one reference besides the site you told me about. Where do you get your info? hopefully you have done more research than just that one website.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

I saw the hole which you speak about where people are still buried to this day. How can you not see a difference with the building in Spain and the WTC and why ask a question with a question when I asked for an answer to my question in the first place from you Art? Where do I get my info? Well let's just say everything about 9/11 is PUBLICALLY known. FYI I've done more research to make you look like a fool so what else do you want me to prove?

[arthurVandeley]

in my opinion you have not proved anything. when i asked you about the 2000 al qaeda summit in Malaysia you responded by saying something about mexicans.

On the other hand i have given you sources for info, that is for sure public, and it paints a very different picture when compared to the fairy tale going on in your head.

Take some advice from your buddy DebunktheJunk. He has my respect.

[arthurVandeley]

why are people still buried in the hole? They didn't receive a proper burial? Well that would make sense since pieces of WTC victims were found on rooftops and first responders are still being neglected by BushCo.

[debunkthejunk]

art: the last sounds on the recorder were at 10:03 but what they figure was the sound of wind, the last voice was at 10:02. seismic waves in the ground are not instantaneous, they take time to travel to the seismograph, hence the slight delay. And one of the bomb sniffing dogs died in the building on 9/11, i forget the dogs name but i can find it for yah if you want. peace bro.

[arthurVandeley]

DBJ-is it a matter of seconds that seismic data would take to travel? so what time do you feel the plane actually crashed? as far as the dog I found the one that died but the article i read said the dog was a 'search and rescue' dog who died of exposure from searching debris.

i found the article on Science Daily after googling 'dog died 9/11'....don't know what to make of it

[debunkthejunk]

hey art: what about Fetzer? he says there still alive anyways, so whats it matter?

[arthurVandeley]

DTJ--

I totally agree with you that those who messed up should be held accountable. There is no doubt that they made confession because they did it. I'm just saying that they should have been caught.

I question everything everyone says ESPECIALLY FETZER (i personally dont trust him). I'm just trying to put pieces together becuase I know I can trust myself.

I really appreciate the solid debate without name calling...some people just cant get passed that stage...

[debunkthejunk]

art: me too,i thought it was going to break into that at one point. i'm glad it didn't. for me right now i beleive the "government theory" as it pertains to WTC1,2,7 and pentagon. Flight 93 is strange,thats all im saying. I have watched LC and 911 mysteries as well as Screw LC and 911 mysteries. The latter makes sense to me and my scientific reasoning (Bsc Physics) and i believe if there is a conspiracy it ends on 9/11 not begins

[debunkthejunk]

one last thing: people should know bermas and avery are on public record stating "...the people are secondary..." the 3000 people who died in 9/11 are secondary? that is disgusting, don't you agree?

[arthurVandeley]

no comment on al-qaeda summit?

[debunkthejunk]

art: somehow you've dragged me into this al-qaeda question, i'm not sure why? the only thing i know is atta was on the watch list. it resulted in his baggage being put on the plane before him. since then they've tightened the screening and no attacks have occurred. what's up with the summit? tell me more.

[arthurVandeley]

The meeting was held Jan 5-9 in Kuala Lumpur. At least 11 al-qaeda agents were present. Like i said earlier, CIA requested this meeting be monitored. Media accounts are consistent that the terrorsits at the meeting are photographed and even videotaped.

[arthurVandeley]

This would give the CIA about 20 months to catch Alhazmi and Almihdhar. After the meeting these two fuckers weren't even placed on and watch list. In fact according to the San Diego Union Tribune, Alhazmi and Almihdhar lived with an FBI informant in an apartment in SD, Abdussattar Shaikh (9/16/01)

NOBODY GETS CAUGHT?????

[debunkthejunk]

hey, i'm not proponent for US military intelligence or any other oxymorons. but if its true then hold those responsible for their actions, don't disgrace the victims. but have you seen the confession tapes these killers made? have you seen the hatred they have for the unbelievers? scary stuff, not just for you americans, for the whole world.

[debunkthejunk]

hmmm...slander eh? it's libel you moron, which is what you just did to me. and where did i commit this act? d "...the number one trait of denial..." -denial is creating and perpetuating the theories of a fringe group as fact and evidence. you're an idiot

[arthurVandeley]

slanderous comments were made by TiNCT..

According to NEWSWEEK "Mohommad's presence would make the intelligence failure even greater. It would mean the agency literally watched as the 9/11 scheme was hatched--and had photographs of the attack's mastermind...doing the plotting" (7/9/03)

[debunkthejunk]

nice apology, thanks. basically every structural/civil engineer,firefighter,demolitio­ns expert that hasn't stepped forward to support the CT's really. this is how it works art, you don't argue with a child that tells you the grass is blue and the sky is green. you tell them whats what and you drop it. cus you know they're just getting off on it.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Ever heard of Debunking911*com Arthur? All I need to do is go there and find anything that you throw out. Why would we be interested ina RETIRED USAF pilot? Keyword here is "RETIRED" meaning he no longer works for the USAF. Plus when you brought him up you're classifying him as a "government agent". I'm willing to bet that's what you're thinking?

[arthurVandeley]

just checked out the website but i still dont know who is responsible for the site. it did cover a lot of information but i couldnt find anything about the jan 5-8, 2000 al qaeda summit in malaysia that the CIA monitored. where two hijackers were there and Khalid Sheikh Mohommed (along with many others). this was reported on by NEWSWEEK, CNN, LATIMES, NEW YORKER among others. two hijackers still entered the u.s and lived in SD AFTER this meeting!

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Why do you want to know who owns the site anyways? What's it to you? You know why it's called "Debunking 9/11"? Because it's about 9/11!!! Not some stupid date back in 2000. So we have Mexicans living here so what's you're point?

[arthurVandeley]

that meeting is where al-qaeda planned the final stages for the attacks...CIA knew about meeting and who was involved yet still let Nawaf Alhazmi + Khalid Almidhar enter U.S...CIA did not put these guys on the watch list after the meeting

[arthurVandeley]

and what exactly do Mexicans living in the U.S. have to do with anything?

the al-qaeda meeting was not just some stupid date like your brainwashed dome thinks

[debunkthejunk]

notice how he picks the part of his conspiracy with the least refutable evidence? the rest has been debunked by professionals over and over. the 15 minutes is almost over boys, can't say it hasn't been entertaining :)

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

I know debunk, CTists theories are junk! Good thing you have a funny name that makes sense.

[arthurVandeley]

TiNCT and DTJ--

do you two know who Lt. Col USAF (RET) Bob Bowman is? if you don't you should both look him up and see what he has to say...his credentials and accolades are remarkable do you guys any factual information to add here or will you continue your slander which is a the number one trait of denial... who are your list of professionals that have debunked WTC 7 over and over again...

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

You want a recommendation? How's this: You are like Jason Bermas, you have a gap in your smile which says: "Look here, it's me, Arthur! I'm a fucking LIAR!". You're so very much like Jason in every way Arthur! You'd believe someone with a gap that fucking HUGE in their smile?

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Best thing yet why don't you go watch "Loose Change Debate 911 Program 1 Part 1" here on YouTube? That guy Mark will show you how dumb and idiotic he makes Daylan Avery and Jason Bermas look while in the debate. Better yet go watch the debate between LC nd the PM guys too. It just might clear up your head which is confused!

[arthurVandeley]

hey thanks for the reccomendation! I have already watched the entire interview TWICE however.

wait who owns PM? oh yeah that's right Hearst...THE INVENTOR OF YELLOW JOURNALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i believe it is your brain that is confused

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Why would I be concerned who owns PM? I don't give a shit who the hell owns it much less care. Why the fuck you think it's so "important" to bring it up? Is it because you're trying to throw me off the subject cause you know I'm right or are you just being a dick and not looking at the evidence that's in public for EVERYONE to see?

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

It took you TWICE to watch it? I can't fucking believe it! I looked at it just ONCE and I was laughing my ass off cause Dylan Avery sat there, almost silent, while his fuck buddy Jason Bermas talked for him. Gimme a fucking break!

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

And you still haven't answered these question: "And if it's a "movie" then how come it's not in movie theaters and how come it takes 3 such movies to get the "truth" out?"

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Don't pay mind to arthurvandeley. He's just a paranoid person who's willing to spread lies and utter bullshit the the masses. He's just wrapped up in thsi paranoia that he forgets what's reality and what's fantasy. Dylan Avery DID say that his movie Loose Change is a FICTIONAL MOVIE. And if it's a "movie" then how come it's not in movie theaters and how come it takes 3 such movies to get the "truth" out?

[arthurVandeley]

than why are you paying me mind TiNC? LOL, dude I know the story about how the movie started. That is nothing new, and what he said is that it STARTED out as fiction. then they woke up.

why can't you accept that?

p.s. do you even know who is distributing LCFC due out in theatres this fall?

Mark Cuban..YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­A BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Well why can't you acept that LC is fake?

[arthurVandeley]

What is fake about it?

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Why don't you go watch "Screw Loose Change" and see why it's fake. Still can't accept that it is so I guess you won't even look at the facts that's present in SLC.

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

Jason Bermas should get some dental work done. TheBlimp is right, you could fly a 757 between those incisors. I believe Jason Bermas is a conspiracy in himself, just look at the gap in his teeth and it'll tell you there's a gap in his stories.

[arthurVandeley]

yeah you are so funny dude...you really could fly a 757 into a ONE INCH hole!  I never saw it like that!

thanks for opening my eyes :)

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

You grow up! Atleast I found something which can incriminate both Dylan and Jason and you didn't. Truth hurts!!!

[arthurVandeley]

that is no proof dude...nice try...truth hurts...WORLD TRADE CENTER 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

WTC7 had a 20 story hole in it and fires raging from the basement all the way to several floors. You don't know jack and shit and jack left town. WTC7 is you only source? Get a grip on reality stupid!

[TheBlimp888]

Wow! You could fly a whole Boeing 757 between the gap in his teeth. Hopefully one day this man will fall in on himself in controlled demolition fashion.

[arthurVandeley]

standard slander instead of argument...classic case of denial...

[ThereIsNoConspiracy]

In the "Loose Change Director Dylan Avery Interview" video on YouTube. This came from Dylan Avery's mouth:

"Loose Change started off as a documentry. It started off, it's supposed to be a FICTIONAL MOVIE about myself and my friends discovering basically what you discover in the documentry that September 11th was an inside job."

[arthurVandeley]

So he cand spend the rest of his life being a government slave. I'm sure he is doing fine...

[ldl21]

D'Oh! Poor old Jason Bermas.. Maybe a real job will come along some day

[guerillaresponse]

Good news, Idl21! He got a job at the Genesis Communication Network and has a radio show there!

People who have guts and go out there with the right questions get rewarded.