Wretched: Christianity vs. Every Other Religion

[hotpopcorncake]

Yum good brainwashing

[Crossova21286]

Muslims are not peaceful

[MaximumAxiom]

If you ever want to know whats wrong with a particular religion, all you need to do is ask all the other religions lol. It's so easy to pick the worst bunch of Muslims and talk about how awful Islam is, so why do you get so frustrated when others do it to your religion? Unless you are going to argue that this is exactly what Islam preaches, you're just committing the accident fallacy.

[urbman29]

@MaximumAxiom No,this actually goes on..over and over,countless stories. Sorry

[KingdomSeeker2012]

Christianity is not to be mixed up with the term 'religion', it is about knowing that the only way to salvation (of our souls) is through the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the only Way, there is no other way. Religions are confusion. God is not a God of confusion. 1 Cor. 14:33

[justcallmesolo]

Jesus Christ died for our sins for a reason.

[nicodemous52]

Of the ones I've read anyway...

[droptozro]

@jwissick you avoided the second claim I made again. So James, let's say you sees bus about to hit a person crossing the street. You yell out a few times and they don't hear, and finally you tackle them out of the way just in time. Now let's say you knock the person out that you tackle, but you've saved them. Also, no one else saw this bus but you. Now was it wrong even though you were the only one able to see the bus and no one else believes you?

[jwissick]

@droptozro But your bus (hell) is not demonstrable.

So, what you are actually doing is saying "Look out! There might be a phantom bus that MIGHT hit you!" 

[droptozro]

@jwissick

Red herring James... answer the question or don't... you're avoiding it.

In the scenario I gave, you don't have time to make the bus demonstrable once you've tackled the person--he/she ignored the verbal warnings.

James... seeing the comment above is quite ridiculous, I thought you knew more about Christians than that. You think Hitler was really a Christian? That alone should make everyone here laugh you off the forum... learn more about our views, stop straw-manning.

[jwissick]

@droptozro It's not a red herring, it's a correction to your flawed analogy.

Hitler was a christian. ALl you have to do is read his manuscripts to see that. His hatred of the jews was just like that of Martin Luther.

[droptozro]

@jwissick

And again... straw-man, you really don't know anything about Christianity, and you spend so much time critiquing it.

"Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him" 1 John 3:15

So, hating others is murder(let alone the fact that Hitler brought on more than just hate)---and I bet you'll still claim he is a Christian? Ridiculous, stop making ignorant claims. Like an airline pilot who's never flown a plane... bye James, always fun.

[jwissick]

@droptozro

The christian church has never really had a big problem with murder.

[chilimaan]

@JustinIsAlwaysWright I really don't get what you think you've said.

[Lion3Lamb]

Great video. God is at work.

[RVGuy1959]

I'm right then......well you come to your own conclusion.

[FoxxyEmz]

@RVGuy1959 Don't gloss over the fact that he WILL go to hell if he dies in his sins. Keep in mind that you're talking to someone who claims that forgiving your child's murderer is "meaningless" and "weak", and who also believes that "theories" are "facts". He's comparing Jesus to Bigfoot, yet can't even handle the truth of the dictionary. "neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead." They are always here watching these vids; they've heard the gospel and are without excuse.

[joestfrancois]

@FoxxyEmz said "and who also believes that "theories" are "facts"."

Foxy, theories just describe what is measured and observed, in short a theory is a collection of facts. If you serch "scientific theory" in wikipedia it is explained well there.

[FoxxyEmz]

@joestfrancois What's more important than what Wikipedia says about scientific theory is what the bible says about eternal salvation: without Jesus, you will perish forever in hell. Here's a fact you can't argue: 10 out of 10 people die. When you die, you'll stand before Jesus, no longer able to deny that He's real. If Jesus is not your Savior, you'll get your wish of eternity apart from Him. You're here for a reason. This moment has purpose. Repent and put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ.

[joestfrancois]

@FoxxyEmz

You verbally forgive the murderer of your son if you want to Foxy, verbally forgiving someone means nothing, if you let them walk free on this earth that would be forgiveness.

I would not forgive them and I do not think doing so is a virtue.

As far as an afterlife, there is nothing at all that indicates there is one. I sometimes wish there were, but I won't make anything up. No one has come back to tell us about it.

[chilimaan]

@FoxxyEmz Excuse me. What would anyone be trusting this Jesus for? Do you know what the word "Christ" means? Have you ever read the bible? If so; do you believe any of what is written there? Do you call yourself a Christian?

Now; be honest. If you haven't actually read it you don't need to claim you did. But if you didn't, any claim to believe would seem a bit premature, not to say dishonest.

[nicodemous52]

@chilimaan I don't get your point. Yeah, if you have never read the Bible and claim to be a Christian that is indeed problematic because you don't even know what it is you are claiming to be. However, I don't think one has to read every single word of the Bible before they start to understand it. The main purpose of the Bible is a tool to help us understand the nature of GOD. Once you understand that everything else falls into place. I've not read ALL of the OT, but I am working to correct that.

[chilimaan]

@nicodemous52 That's an honest sounding attempt at an answer to a question that wasn't very structured. I grant that you don't need to read every single word to come to some conclusions regarding the nature of what it is you're reading. I don't have to read the entire Book Of Mormon to figure it out, the whole Koran or many others.

I'm going to continue this in the next comment.

[chilimaan]

What exactly you're claiming to get from the bible is somewhat unclear. From what source do you get the claim the bible is a tool to hep understand the nature of "GOD"? It looks as though you're claiming this comes from the bible; but it would seem a preconception that you had going in. If that's the case you would seem to have about as much ability to critically examine the text as a Mormon has with his book.

I'll try to wrap this up in the next comment.

[chilimaan]

My point is that you're advising people of a threat of eternal suffering supposedly based on a book you perhaps haven't critically examined as of yet. Are you basing your advice on what you've read in the bible or what you've been taught by others?

If so; why is your advice superior to Mormons or JW's or SDA's or whatever?

There seems to be a lot of foundation building to be done for your advice; but you would prefer to simply blurt out the conclusion? Where did YOU start from?

[nicodemous52]

@chilimaan Well, I mostly talk about only what I've read and understood for myself. I will not deny that I have on occasion used what I was taught. I understand your concern and you raise legit questions. My answer to you is twofold. 1) We know "universalism" logically cannot be true. Universalism is just a more modern incarnation of "Relativism", and it logically doesn't work for the same reason. (CON>>>)

[chilimaan]

@nicodemous52 I'm going to guess you were interrupted there. I can't see that the issue of universalism is even relevant. Either what you promote stands up to scrutiny or it does not. Slamming other ways of looking at things is usually just a means of deflecting attention from ones own position or attempting to gain some appearance of validity by claiming OTHER positions are nonsense so yours must be valid by default. That's a dis-convincing method of presentation to me.

[joestfrancois]

@FoxxyEmz said "you're talking to someone who claims that forgiving your child's murderer is "meaningless" and "weak", and who also believes that "theories" are "facts"."

I said the words alone are meaningless, you mis-quoted me. I am not going to agree that christianity is better than any other religion because of something it's members say out loud. I wouldn't forgive a murderer anyway, you can if you want to. And again, you don't understand what a "scientific theory" is.

[FoxxyEmz]

@joestfrancois "I wouldn't forgive a murderer anyway, you can if you want to." That may have been Todd's main point: the ability to forgive the murderer of your child doesn't come to us innately. Our instinct(s) may be hatred, depression, revenge. This level of forgiveness can only come from one source: Jesus. Christianity is the ONLY way to God. Jesus is the only Name under Heaven by which you can be saved. Buddha can't save you, only Jesus. Doesn't matter if you agree, its still the truth.

[RVGuy1959]

@joestfrancoise. Good thing I graduated sixth grade and I have all my teeth or I would have to be embarrassed wouldn't I? I was not born a Christian and I am well versed in the sciences. In other words been around the block a few times. The fact is I have been indoctrinated with the sciences my entire life. You think there is squabbling among Christians there is just as much among the science world. I choose Creation over carbon based chance. If your right then I have nothing to worry about. If

[joestfrancois]

@RVGuy1959 said "I was not born a Christian and I am well versed in the sciences."

Again, not to make fun of you, but you used the term "scientific theory" as if it were a hypothesis, not as if it were fact. A theory just describes what is measured and observed. To a scientist, a theory is fact. Try reading about it in wikipedia, it is explained there better than I can do it.

[RVGuy1959]

@joestfrancois "yawn" 

[joestfrancois]

@RVGuy1959 said "yawn."

LOL, and there you have it, asleep in willfull ignorance.

[RVGuy1959]

@joestfrancoise why do atheist always use the santa clause argument? Did Santa ever claim to create. Are there any historical writings making these claims. While the evidence is all around us it all comes down to the question, is it true? I'll go with yes simply based on the evidence not on scientific theory.

[joestfrancois]

@RVGuy1959 said "why do atheist always use the santa clause argument"

Who would you prefer?  Bigfoot? Pixies?

Yes, and as far as the evidence, the term "scientific theory" means something other than what you are talking about. A "scientific theory" explains and predicts the behavior of the natural world. It is pretty much fact. I am not making fun of you, but you do not sound as if yoiu know what you are talking about. You believe what you want to, despite the lack of evidence.

[bradmorris67]

@joestfrancois So you are asking for scientific evidence for a historical event - correct?

[joestfrancois]

I was not moved, sorry. The shoes were just weird. I could find no internet reference for the first story and the street preacher was just gonna go home and put on another pair of shoes, the kid probably just left his at home anyway, did you see him check for fit?

As far as forgiving violence philosophically, well, so? If the cop killer were completely forgiven by society and walked free, not just philosophically, how would you feel then? Meaningless, the words alone. This vid is weak.

[rileyphillip]

That poor little girl. That breaks my heart.

[JMcH]

@rileyphillip "Religion of peace," right? She wasn't the first and she won't be the last.

[chilimaan]

@JustinIsAlwaysWright Any con artist can "preach the gospel". That's no test. Try living up to John 14:12 and many others. Real Christians have super powers.

Kind of sucks, hmm?

[droptozro]

Brothers from the Mark612Ministry!

Praise God! My brother in our fellowship preached with them a couple months ago at APSU.

The original video of the shoes can be seen on their channel.

Sad to see the read/hear about the other people.

[YouAreNotAMonkey]

The blood of Jesus is far from hatred, it is just the opposite.

[RVGuy1959]

@JustinIsAlwaysWright Careful! That is a definitive statement and certainly is not always the case. But I understand the point your making from the Word of God.

[mRUSSIA]

So jwissick thinks Christians don't know the meaning of persecution? Maybe not so much in the U.S. I guess he's doesn't know what is going on in North Korea, the Middle East etc. Actually I shouldn't even be responding to this statement since it is so ridiculous, it doesn't even really deserve any kind of response. He is either totally ignorant of the history of Christianity both past & present or he is just saying it on purpose to 'push our buttons.'

[JMcH]

@mRUSSIA - James thinks that every Christian in the world is a persecutor and never someone who is persecuted.

[jwissick]

@JustinIsAlwaysWright So yer only a real christian if people hate you...

You christians have a real persecution complex. Yer just not happy unless someone is 'persecuting' you. You don't know the meaning of persecution....

[JMcH]

@jwissick - "So yer only a real christian if people hate you"

Remember that book that you claim to know so well, James? The Bible? Guess you missed this part:

"If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." --John 15:19

Jesus taught that anyone chosen by him WILL BE hated by the world.

[RVGuy1959]

@jwissick I partially agree with your statement " we don't know the meaning of persecution..." That's the point. American Christians are blessed, which "can" breed contentment. But believe me I am very happy that I can evangelize without experiencing "real persecution". I experience discomfort and an occasional tongue lashing but not persecution. Reading your atheistic verbal abuse is not persecution.

[YouAreNotAMonkey]

@jwissick Christ suffered. Jesus said we will be persecuted for His name sake. All that live godly in Christ will suffer. Saints expect to suffer. It is because of the hatred to God and Christ, and hatred of the gospel, and pride. Preachers of the gospel are subject to persecution, BECAUSE some are addicted & active in encouraging others to persecute Christ’s followers. It is ok though because heaven makes up for it. You can't deny persecution. Many still call Jesus names too, 2000 years later

[jwissick]

@YouAreNotAMonkey You are not persecuted for his name... You are persecuted because christianity teaches hatred and bigotry.

[droptozro]

@jwissick

So it's hatred to warn someone of hell? Tell them they can have eternal life?

Good thing we don't take our commands from you James, I find you pretty bigoted(useless term) against us. I still don't understand why you fight so hard against something you don't even believe in... it really boggles my mind. If you truly believe we're all going to rot in the ground one day out of consciousness/existence---then this little forum should be the least of your concerns I would say.

[jwissick]

@droptozro It's wrong to warn people of things you can't demonstrate to be a threat and real.

Yes. It's wrong to warn people of hell. YOu simply can't demonstrate it exists.

[nicodemous52]

@jwissick Back that up if you please...WITHOUT taking a verse out of context if you are able...

[JMcH]

@nicodemous52 He's not.

[nicodemous52]

@JMcH I know he hasn't yet, but that is my challange to him. To back up his claim, using the Bible, without taking his passage out of context. I don't think he can do that...Which is why the challange will be left ignored.

[jwissick]

@nicodemous52 My claim is not based on the bible.

Derp!

[jwissick]

@nicodemous52

That's not true. The crusades and inquisitions were some of the bloodies and they were lead by christians. Hitler was a christian.

So your statement is demonstrably false.

[nicodemous52]

Run the numbers, communism has killed far more people than any other idea in human history, AND communism is hostile to religion in general, and particularly to Christianity. Sorry, but the numbers do not lie. Also to add, Hitler was not a Christian. It is a well-documented fact that Hitler had no particular faith but was fascinated by the old pagan, German gods. Also, I would hope you know the difference between making a claim, and that claim being true. I can tell you I am a 300lbs chicken

[scrap222666]

@nicodemous52 Google these words "USSR" "freedom of religion".

[jwissick]

@nicodemous52 Hitler was a christian. He says how he is doing god's work.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."

are just two quotes from his books or speaches. There are dozens of others.

He was a christian in also continuing the hatred of the jews that Martin Luther fostered.

[nicodemous52]

@jwissick So, you do believe me that I am not a man, but a 300 lbs chicken?

[jwissick]

@nicodemous52 He made the claim and his actions were consistent with christian history and the teachings of Martin Luther.

While I doubt you are a chicken, I don't doubt that you are very misinformed or ignorant about your religion's past.

[nicodemous52]

@jwissick Here is the thing, notice I am not trying to defend the crusades? I wouldn't claim that Christ's name has never been used for evil, by Christians. However, Hitler was using his name to control Germans, he was never a Christian. Nearly every history book, outside a text book, has talked about and demonstrated by his writings the deep contempt Hitler had for Christianity, it was used as a means to an ends. Big difference, and unless you can actually tie it to the Bible...

[jwissick]

@nicodemous52 Those that knew him, Gen. Gerhard Engel and Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber report he was a christian.

Hitler often associated atheism with bolshevism, communism, and Jewish materialism.

Steigmann-Gall, Richard (2003). The Holy Reich. also disagrees with you.

Perhaps he was a christian and then left like many others have.... Of course that would be a problem considering the no true christian fallacy.....

[nicodemous52]

@jwissick Well then, it should be easy enough for you to tie it all to the Bible. IF he was truly Christian, and was truly acting in a Christian way... Use the Bible you've claimed to have studied and justify it...

[7RUthere]

@jwissick Don't you have a job or something? You must have an enormous amount of free time on your hands. I like watching this channel, and whenever I decide to take a look at the comments, your name is there... trolling. You must not have kids or a wife..or any obligations. None of my business, I'm just trying to understand how somebody can spend so much time trolling on youtube videos. You're not going to change anybody's mind about anything. Give it a rest.. or get a new hobby.

[jwissick]

@7RUthere I do have a job and this doesn't take much time.. I type fast.

And I have changed minds.... You just don't hear about them....

[jwissick]

So, Wretched is supporting Ruben Israel's goons now? Ruben Israel who is just a little nicer than Westboro Baptist's nuts?

Really? The preachers of hate and bigotry? Of course that' shouldn't surprise me.

[Shoots1978]

@jwissick Wow, because they post his video, you say they support him? How many other videos have they shown of him?

[jwissick]

@Shoots1978

It's positive PR.... So yes. He is by definition supporting those bigots.

[JMcH]

@jwissick - Um, yeah. Given who you support, James, I don't think you have any wiggle room to complain.

[JMcH]

@jwissick Examples of this "hate and bigotry" that is "just a little nicer" [read: exactly the same] as Fred Phelps inbred clan? Yeah, giving a kid shoes. Such hate and bigotry on display!

[RVGuy1959]

@jwissick The two can't intelligently be compared. A cockroach hates the lights turned on it's slimy self, it scurries back into the darkness. You sir love your sin and therefore hate the light.

[jwissick]

@RVGuy1959 No such thing as sin as you can't demonstrate a god.... balls in yer court.

[RVGuy1959]

@jwissick Gods existence is not dependent on my ability to prove or disapprove He exists. In addition the only way you can disprove Gods existence is to be omnipresent or omniscient.

John 3:19-20

"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

[jwissick]

@RVGuy1959 It's not my job to disprove him.

The fact is that the bible doesn't jive with reality. Therefore this "infallible" book is wrong and if it's his word, then he is not as advertised or doesn't exist.

[RVGuy1959]

@jwissick You take an illogical leap by concluding that there is no God, because it cannot be proved that He doesn't exist. Such reasoning is absurd. Why would anyone try to prove that God doesn't exist when it can be proved that He does? Creation proves scientifically and absolutely to any sane mind that there is a Creator. His existence is axiomatic. Romans 1:20

[jwissick]

@RVGuy1959 It's not an illogical leap to not believe in something where there is no evidence.

Creation does NOT prove there is a creator. Have you ever seen a god create something? Even IF I was to grant that a creator is required, you simply can't make the leap to that creator being the christian god as the bible's account of that creation simply is fallacious. In fact he is ruled out from being that creator simply by that erroneous account!

[joestfrancois]

@RVGuy1959 said "You take an illogical leap by concluding that there is no God, because it cannot be proved that He doesn't exist. "

Did you mean, "You take an illogical leap by concluding that there is no Santa Claus, because it cannot be proved that He doesn't exist."

Because that statement has as much merit as yours.

[aveyowyns]

@JustinIsAlwaysWright

"and safety and comfort breed contentment, or in other words, lukewarmness."

So true.

*and surprisingly, lukewarmness is an actual word!

[JMcH]

Oh, but it's soooooo wrong for us to attack these murderous imams and their murderous lackeys and introduce Christianity to these nations!

[chilimaan]

@JMcH You're not using murder as a legal term are you? Because you should realize they're not murderous under their own laws. And you're surely not going to claim killing people under conditions not sanctioned by US laws is murder are you? 2 Chron. 15:12- 13 (abreviated) "And they entered into a covenant ... That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." That's not murder is it?

[bluishspitdoggie]

My father was nearly killed by a drunk driver when we were missionaries in France. The missionary in the car with my father, who suffered many injuries, himself, witnessed to the drunk in the rehab hospital where he and my father were learning to walk again and the drunk got saved. I have seen this corrigenda Mr. Friel speaks of first hand and there is nothing like that peace God gives you.

[nicodemous52]

The only problem is that so much of "biblical Christianity" is neither biblical nor Christianity, not in today's United States anyway...

[JMcH]

@nicodemous52 - Well, then it wouldn't be "biblical Christianity," would it? :)

[RVGuy1959]

@nicodemous52 agreed! not all but "so much"

[RVGuy1959]

Who saved a wretch like me.

[swimmerfish34]

Pastor Foote? don't mean to laugh but talk about a re-occurring theme

[Carter1422]

" BUT GOD "