@willypdyer It's plain that you are looking at this game as the officials do. Canada must win, to enforce all the brain dead in Canada that we own hockey, "It Our Game", Bullshit"!
We may have owned it on time, but we have not had it after 1952.
There would be almost no wins for Canada at any level, with out the complicity of the officials. It's just the truth, but hard to take.
All you have to do is look at these 5 or 6 Vids that I just looked at, it's as plain as day.
It can't be made much more evident than @ 2:47, where the Ref(?) in front of the hook. But WTF, the officials can't call penalties against Can. if they expect to come close against a much more tallanted team.
This comes from a Canadian, who could see this from 1972. I'm similar to the alcoholic & knows he has a problem & states in public.
I am not similar to the biased officials & millions of North Americians, who choose to live a lie.
We'r catching up but, not there yet, still have 2 lie!
Can v. Rest of the World - penalties/PPG/SHG - Canada Cup/World Cup 1976-96 comparison: ROBIN:goals:128:71,pen's:148:161,PPG:28:13,SHG:7:3.PLAY-OFF (without final): goals: 23:9,pen's:30:28,PPG:5:2,SHG:0:0.FINAL GAMES:goals: 56:51, penalties:85:84, PPG:12:11, SHG:2:5.COMPLETE COMPAR.: goals 207:131, penalties:263:273,PPG:45:26,SHG: 9:8. / CAN-USR CC87: results without penalties): robin 2:2, final ser.:3:4, 5:3, 5:5 / Can win 1V-2T-1L CANG.13:USSRG.12.
You have paid attention, what almost Canada has hammered in all goals with infringement of rules?! If isn't present, BUY glasses!!! SUCH the CUP is necessary to YOU, Canada??? I REMEMBER AS YOU In 81 TH CUP of the NATIONAL TEAM of the USSR HAVE not given, AND NOW, the HISTORY HAS repeated! THEN WHAT SENSE of THIS TOURNAMENT? And on game all the same it is visible - the USSR was the best in the world at that point in time, without looking that you, Canada, a cup and have stolen!!!
Yeah - but we WON. And that's all that matters. It's been 20 years - Let it go. Better that you devote your time and energy to chiding the Russian team on to victory (lulz) in 2014 Sofi.
Sheesh - What's the motivation here? Did you bet the cabbage farm and wind up in the gulag? You should *never* bet against Canada when it comes to hockey. Especially not when a Canadian is reffing!
The only time Canadian national team has won anything in past few years (Vancouver Olympics) is when they have had "one of their own" officiating ...
Russian penalties were mostly called when needed but not always. However, I remember clearly what a joke Canadians' "interference hockey" was. Nevertheless, those were great games to watch ...
@Hyvaerinen Lol. Sour grapes. 2002 was "nothing" too, hey? So funny. The NHL is STILL well over 50% Canadian. Ergo, Canada has a larger talent pool in hockey than the REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. I suppose that has NOTHING to do with winning. Get a grip. I understand it hurts to lose, but, really....!!??? Have some self respect.
@eax89 money talks?? Do you think Canada is that much more rich than Russia? quit buying weapons and spend some money on your athletes and sports facilities. You're all a fucking disgrace.
Yeah I guess if you are an idiot and know nothing about hockey, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between penalties that are always called and ones that are never called. It's simple even if you are a moron (pay attention), if you hinder play with a foul it will get called, simple?
You've got to admire the Russians whatever the score. All the games were played in North America with none other than Kolharski reffing the final game. Canada clearly had the home ice advantage. That said though, it's the hockey tournament I miss the most!
@unnamed00 ok man gretzky while being a great player every time the "great one" got hit refs call something, lemieux was tripped imo, everyone hates the ref's in hockey hasn't changed to this day. Canada would have won without questionable calls, or maybe Russia would have won. I'm Canadian but I am also of Russian/Ukranian decent so this is as unbiased as possible. When a diver is supposedly our countrys "great one" and some overated crybaby is our next up it makes me sad.
@unnamed00 There were bad calls/non calls on both ends. Tough shit. I should also note that Koharski was REQUESTED by the the Soviet team to officiate this series.
@unnamed00 forget to mention, mostly all i see in this video is some of the worst diving and attempts at drawing bullshit penalties in hockey history coming from the Soviet team. I counted at least 12 cases of diving from the Soviet team in this video alone. Sean Avery would be proud.
@skinwalkerxxx - Don't think so..NHL would split it up & not let one side get away with everything, like in this game. But hey, shit like this was allowed in every Can. / Rus. game, or none of the scores would have even been close, Russia would win all by at least 8 goals. Ah, remember in 72 when guys like Howe, Beliveau, said we should win every game by at least 8 goals?..Naw, most braindead N/A wouldn't rember that, cause @ the end we were going nuts just to have won by the slimist of margins
Fact is canadians always play well coz referees are completely for them... ha ha ha dirty losers..... You can;t play honestly coz you are just dirty snobbish wankers ha ha ha
It is a shame ! The worst of all worst attempts by Canad to win with aranged games. Their own small ice own referes. I can not understand why the rest of the world plays in Canada. Patetic !
It is a shame ! The worst of all worst attempts by Canad to win. Their own small ice own referes. I can not understand why the rest of the world plays in Canada. Patetic !
This is still going on today.. Canadians are so pathetic. the whole workd laugh when someone even mentions the word canada and hockey in the same sentence. HAHAHA canada HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Of note: Since it doesn't fit the liar's conspiracy theory. Russia ended the first period with back to back powerplays, they then had 3 of the 5 powerplays given in the second period as well. 5 of the 7 penalties assessed in the middle of this game went against Canada while they ignored several blatant Russian penalties (such as the hook on Bourque that lead to goal #4) and he's STILL whining? The PiMs could have been 28-4 for Russia like in game 6 of '72 and he'd still claim Russia was cheated
@unnamed00 - The fact of the matter is that at this time..The Canadian style of play was alot different than the Soviet style of play. Soviet players were not used to all of the hitting...as a result, the Soviets tended to embellish alot because they were not used to getting hit so much. Today the game has leveled off alot because Russian players play in the NHL. I don't think it is fair to blame the Canadians...nor to blame the Soviets...I remember watching the games and I remember ...cont
@unnamed00 - continued - I remember watching the games and I remember complaining at the way the Russian players embellished to draw penalties. What you fail to understand is that when you dive to draw a penalty or if you embellish a play... eventually the Referees stop calling anything because they get fed up with it. Year after year you see the same thing from the Russian team in the World Juniors...Alot of it comes from the way the game is played over there. Continued....
@unnamed00 - Continued - Russian fans who don't understand watch those games and say Canada was dirty and that the Refs were biased because they did not make those calls. The truth is the refs very not used to calling a game with so much diving & embellishment... Just like in 72 when the Russian refs handed out over 30 minutes in penalties to the Canadians...they didn't know what to do. Your video does not take into account the different styles of play and the problems this caused.
it's because soviet players were masters AT PLAYING HOCKEY and were never taught any dirty tricks, where as canada had a couple of guys how could play hockey, whereas the rest relied SOLELY ON DIRTY, MEAN tricks and were concerned more with PHYSICALLY DESTROYING OPPONENTS rather than with OUTPLAYING them by the rules, which they SIMPLY COULD NOT DO, cause soviets WERE SO much better at hockey proper.
In the skills department canada were annihilated, but won by brutality and refereeing.
@RigaFraction Keep on punching. This guy (unamed00) is a propagandist, and like all propagandists, he doesn't even try to be fair. He will not admit the slightest fault of the Russians, even when deserved, and that destroys his credibility.
The Russian players probably look back and say "we had a great series, sure it was 5 Canadians players and the refs were against us but fair or not, we played a good game". This isn't pointless though I commend the person who put out these videos.. I am a Canadian but I want my team to win honorably. I even remember watching this series and even knowing something wasn't right.
What happened to winning with dignity? I mean those Canadian players such as Gretzky diving isn't a lie, and it's clearly on video .Doesn’t that bother any of us Canadian fans?
Aww don't be a pussy. Bad refereeing happens. If Koharski was not fair, then maybe that makes up for the incredibly biased refereeing in 72, when the Russians got away with spearing and Canadians got penalties for bodychecks. Don't forget the Russian goal judge that did not want to allow the game-tying goal. There's a lot of hits that were perfectly acceptable by the standard of the day.
@unnamed00 Yes, actually I do know about '72, because unlike you, I was alive then and watched it, live. Since you did not have that opportunity, check out some of the other videos, especially the one where the Canadians score the tying goal in Game 8 and the Soviet goal judge refused to light the red light. After a near-riot by the Canadian players, he relented.
Things even out with time. That's my point. And the Ref in '72 was hand-picked the day of the game.
@unnamed00 While key players were absent on both sides during the 1972 series, my memory of 1972 is not the refereeing but the ordered "hit" via Bobby Clarke that broke Kharlamov's ankle in Moscow and effectively neutralized him for the rest of the series (giving Canada a clear advantage), thuggery that continued in Moscow '74 and in Canada's return to the WC in '77 (even politicians spoke up about how embarassing it was). Even a Soviet B-squad didn't cheap-shot Orr in the '76 Canada Cup...
@MadcapLaugh3 That's a load of bunk. It's a fictional excuse to make up for Russia losing. In reality, Canada never lost a game with Serge Savard (who actually DID have a broken foot) in the lineup because he gave them the puck moving D-man they were missing. Kharlamov never missed a SHIFT in the game in question, he was out there for the powerplay, was benched the next game because he had been terrible in the games in Europe and was back for the game that followed that. He wasn't injured
@unnamed00 Truth hurts I guess. Your excuses are amusing but, the Kharlamoc excuse has grown roots over the years. The reality is that he never missed a single shift that game, he played on the actual powerplay, he was benched for being terrible in the several games in Europe and being responsible for several defensive breakdowns which lead to big goals by Canada. He also returned to the lineup in game 8 and played a regular shift. That excuse was as faulty as all of your fictional excuses.
@unnamed00 Look it up. He was terrible in the games over in Europe (including the ones between game 4 and 5 of the series). He never missed a single shift in the game he was 'injured', played on the powerplay and played again in game 8. You apparently know as little about that series as you do about Canada Cup 87. You should just quit while you're behind rather than embarrassing yourself any further.
So basically this whiner is saying Canada won because the Russians spent the entire game flopping and diving all over the ice whether they were touched lightly or not at all and they should have focused on trying to play hockey instead. In reality, they lost because they had less talent, they survived because they were a team that played together regularly and had chemistry but, in the end the vastly superior talents of Mario and Gretzky etc beat the team when they formed their own chemistry.
@unnamed00 1 It's you claiming that Canada was diving while showing a video of Russians diving all over the ice
2 Agreed, more talented teams don't need to grab and hold just to keep up, the Russians do however. Which is why they get penalties when the game is called fairly.
3 No more stupid excuses, just accept that Russia was the second best team and get over it already. There's no shame in finishing second in a tourney that featured the greatest talent ever assembled on one team. Sore loser.
@unnamed00 You claim Fuhr wasn't interfered with and then claim I am selective in what I see? Get a clue you lying, whiney, excuse making hypocritical sore loser.
There is no shame in being 2nd you should stop making excuses. They were most definitely not cheated out of ANYTHING, the officiating had good and bad calls both ways and your excuses only expose you as a sore loser. Canada won fair and square and you're not man enough to handle it. That is YOUR short coming, not ours. Deal with it.
Well obviously you can't deal with what this video shows. You know that what I am saying is true but you can't admit it, so you just rant and say the same things over and over.
@unnamed00 Speaking of selective in what you see. We've already seen your pathetic attempt at excusing the first goal for Russia in game 2 as pretending it was Fuhr chasing a Russian to swing at him and not being knocked out of his crease illegally as it REALLY was. What's your excuse for Russia's 4th goal in the 3rd game. The one in which Bourque was clearly hooked to the ice in his own end, resulting directly in a turnover breakaway for a Russian goal with no call? No issue with that right?
It was a slight hook at best. Even the Canadian commentators don't say anything.
Even if it was an oblivious hook, it does not even the bad no calls out.
You want to see an obvious hook? Look at Messier's hook at 1:45 (after which Canada got the puck and almost scored), which was like 30 seconds before the 4th Soviet goal.
@unnamed00 Oh really? So hauling down the last defender to create a breakaway goal is ok but, Hawerchuk getting tied up with someone well behind the play is a horrible outrage! You're so full of crap it's beyond funny at this point. 1:45 is a Russian dive, as plain as the nose on your face. You can't even be a LITTLE bit honest can you? Once again Canada won fair and square no matter how much you whine and pretend they were cheated somehow. Lying through your teeth will never change that.
@guard777 The team with Lemieux and Gretzky, surrounded by Messier, Coffey, Bourque, etc had FAR more talent. The other side had more chemistry because they were a team that played together regularly. I watched the series, the refereeing wasn't lopsided in Canada's favour, go back and look at the Russian's first goal in game 2 for example, Fuhr was knocked out of his crease away from the play and they scored on the empty net because of it. KNOW what you're talking first next time.
@unnamed00 You just showed how big a hypocrite you are. Gee I wonder what you would have said had it been a Canadian forward that ran through the crease away from the play, knocked the Russian goalie away from the net and then a Canadian scored into the open net created by the forward knocking the goalie out of the way and on his face. We ALL know you wouldn't be blaming the Russian goalie for that now would you? You're a hypocritical whiner, get over it the best team won and your's lost FAIRLY
@unnamed00 AFTER he's been knocked out of the net. The play should have been called on a Russian penalty for goalie interference and thus no goal. Try pulling your lying head out of your ass and maybe you'd be less full of shit.
You are going to talk about homer glasses? You're completely full of shit with your Russian propaganda and you're going to try that? You're a joke.
All I can say is if you see that Fuhr was ran over on purpose and don't see him trying to throw a punch, then you need to wash the shit off your face that is blocking your eyes...
@unnamed00 First of all let me just say that I admire your persistence. You've been responding to people's comments for like 5 years without a break. You're like some sort of communist energizer bunny. However, unlike rabbits, your eyesight needs work. Otherwise you'd notice Bykov sticking out his left skate and tripping Lemieux at 1:04. Anyway I look forward to your revisionist take on this year's olympic quarter final in the year 2032..
Bykov did not try to trip Lemieux; he tried to play the puck and then could not move completely out of the way in time. It was just a collision and looks like Lemieux threw his hands up in the air and fell.
Compared to what Canada was getting away with the call was ridiculous.
@RigaFraction as I see you understand russian слушай не смеши меня кто талантлевее :) в сборной ссср были собраны ребята со всей страны в течении многих лет, по мне они умели делать на площадке гораздо больше чем канадские ребята, просто посмотри внимательнее за действия лемьё гретцки и ребят из первой пятёрки это просто разный уровень, и не говори чепухи что главное здесь их частота игр вместе(это конечно же помогает и обвинять то что они лучше подготовлены это просто бред) т.к. Гретцки тоже
@guard777 It's simple logic really, I don't see why it would be so difficult to accept. The Russians played together on a regular basis and thus they had line chemistry, their coach knew which combinations worked better and which didn't. The KLM line was a set line and thus they knew where one another would be and worked very well with one another. On the flip side, Canada was put together a month or so before the tourney and had to learn to play with one another and find their chemistry.
That's not meant as an excuse, it's merely a factor that goes into it. A well oiled TEAM will often beat a collection of all-stars thrown together because they have been made as a team and their total is greater than the sum of their parts. The Russians had the luxury of having a well oiled team that played together regularly. That's a good thing as it made for some very entertaining hockey and allowed them to play with the other worldly talents of Lemieux and Gretzky on the other side.
@RigaFraction I got it that they were prepared better but so what??? It gaves permissin to koharsky forget the rules?? :))
can you accept that it's just rediculos when one team say to another "You were prepared better and it's not Ok " ))))
in nhl some team every season playing about 100 games and when they were playing against russian teams as Soviet wings which were playing about 30 games at season so we need also to say You have much better chemistry? :)
@guard777 No, the two have nothing to do with one another. Koharski missed calls in both directions. If anything, moreso in favour of the Russian team than the Canadian team. The notion that Russia was ripped off by the officiating in this series is completely inaccurate. Russia's first goal in game 2 was scored because they knocked the goalie out of the crease behind the play and scored in the empty net, their 4th in gm 3 was scored because they hauled down Bourque for a breakaway. For example
I think you guys are just so used to watching referees and judges cheat their behinds off to make sure Russia gets first place because you can't win unless the refs and judges cheat to help you, that when the officials call something fairly, you think they're cheating against you because they aren't helping you anymore. Such as the 72 Summit Series, the 72 Olympic Basketball, any Olympic Figure Skating event (including getting caught doing it in 2002) and many many other such "competitions". :)
@RigaFraction'' The notion that Russia was ripped off by the officiating in this series is completely '' Absolutely so, in time of game 3 canadian referee made many rude mistakes to side of Canada, it's a fact a video as can see!!
now let's see mistakes to Russia, 1 goal in 2 game, open the Rules that say-"If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact
@guard777 You're wrong and the video partly proves you wrong. The video also selectively neglected to include Russia's 4th goal of the game which was scored when the last Canadian defender (Bourque) was blatantly hauled down to create a breakaway for Russia on the play. The video shows many examples of Russians diving trying to draw penalties when none was commited and they failed to do so many times because their acting was very poor. You are a total LIAR about the 2 Russian goals mentioned.
@RigaFraction 4-th goal watch carefully vid named "Canada Cup 1987 final goals" 3-05 minute and you'll see stick didn't touch body of canadian player only jersey!!!
many examples of diving? please minutes where these baaaaad rusians executed divings in many times
not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."
the 4-th goal - watch it correctly, the russian player just tryed to hook but he didn't succeced ,it was hooking on jersey the didn't touch the body of canadian player, and also hear what Commentators said on this
COMMON BE FAIR we are talking about punch with two hands on stick, holding the player with two hands
@guard777 Since you clearly don't know the rules of the sport. In the video clip 1 is a penalty because 27 hooked Mario and hauled him down illegally, clip 2 was a penalty because the 2nd Russian crosschecked HAWERCHUK (10) after the first Russian crosschecked him in front of the net, it had NOTHING to do with Gretzky. clip 3 #27 gets a penalty for sticking his foot out to trip Lemieux. Clip 4 wasn't a penalty, it was a Russian pretending he was shot when he got pushed in front of the net.....
@RigaFraction in this vid two moments with collide M and Bikov I ment the moment in 1:05, For what bikov got penalty?
If you want to argue each mistakes/moments of Koharsky in this vid let's call moments by minutes, because what I undestood from your last post that from 4 to 20 clip "no penalty" everything was Ok
@guard777 I already explained it. Look at his foot, he sticks his foot out and trips Lemieux. He got a tripping penalty for doing so and it was an accurate call.
If you want to know why any of them were or weren't penalties, or what was or wasn't called on the play, just ask a specific time (as you did here) and I will explain the ruling to you. I listed individual clips in my first explanation because it's faster.
@RigaFraction yeah but Bykov didn't put his foot for triping!! it was ocassional collide. by such logic you can allways find gilty in any collide
specific time? punch to face! with two hands on stick, holding the player with two hands 3-44, push the player at back till he falls, hooking (Hawerchuk), diving 0-48 ALL THIS WAS OK for 80"???
you know, open first an second game of CC87 and you see alomst all punches hoooking and holding was penaltied
@guard777 You're wrong, he most assuredly did use his foot to trip Lemieux.
I'll humour you, Clip 1 is right away, clip 2 0:30, clip 3 is the one you're wrong about above (look at 0:51 and look at his left foot). clip 4 1:14, clip 6, 7 & 8 are 1:39, 1:48, 2:00. Clip 9 (the mystery clip) is 2:06, clip 10 2:43 (likely would have been a penalty but the the feet never touched because the Russian was already diving trying to draw a call) Clip 11 is the pathetic dive at 2:47 (worst dive ever).....
@RigaFraction about moment of BIkov first - he put his foot out before metr from Mario and second look at this youtube.com/watch?v=TKVkZyNku90&feature=related and youtube.com/watch?v=KNQyIVX3ans&feature=related
ok so second clip it's not diving? 4-th it's not punch? 8 - to push opponent at back few times till he fal,l is ok?? 9-penalty 2 mintes ,10- it's not diving canadian players putted stick between the legs,right under balls :) and russian player tried to get out from this by jump
@guard777 You've been told several times now, the second clip isn't a penalty for the hook on Gretzky, the penalty is Hawerchuk (#10) getting crosschecked twice in front of the net off to the left side of the image. I know #27 stuck his foot out before Mario, that's why he got a tripping penalty when he tripped him with that foot. (it's the rules). Clip 9 doesn't show anything happening so you cannot comment on what happened there as nothing happened. You clearly didn't watch the video.
@RigaFraction look this moment with Bikov and M as usually doesn't call as penalty, two more examples youtube.com/watch?v=w9eaECfK8F8 and youtube.com/watch?v=TKVkZyNku90&feature=related it depends on referee and that evening referee didn't like cccp :)
yeah you are rigth russians got penalty on Hawerchuk but why at 3:33 on the same crosschecking candiens didn't got penalty?? and what about penalty on diving of Gretzky??
@guard777 in 1987 'diving' wasn't a penalty, which is why Russia didn't wind up with about 20 or 30 diving penalties in that game.
minor Holding, Punching, Hooking, Xchecking, Pushing as you called it was going both directions with both teams equally and was let go because it was all typical and minor in the course of fighting for the puck and for position. It wasn't a penalty when Fetisov did it and it wasn't a penalty when Rochefort did it either. Both teams were called by the SAME standard
@RigaFraction I proposed for you to show me the same moments\situations from russians in start of our conversation, really show me tell me minutes when it happened maybe you are really right talking about two directions,
But meanwhile what I saw in the game and in this vid it says me and to fans from another countries, it was not so at all.
(you showed me two moments but one of those not penalty by the rules and another I may call hooking on the jersey) 1 against 15 is not "two directions"
@guard777 clip 12 (missed Russian interference penalty) is 3:09, clip 13 another brutal Russian dive is 3:16, clip 14 is 3:30 (seriously??), clips 15, 16 & 17 are plays you see from both teams on every shift at 3:38, 3:47 and 4:15 (You can find both teams doing all of those all game every game). clip 18 is 4:25 and shows a Russian doing the same as in clips 15, 16 &17 with no call being made there either (as there shouldn't have been). There's NOTHING legit in this entire video of whining.
@RigaFraction 12 - canadian stick between russian legs, why penalty for russian?))) 16 3:47 - stoped and holded player by two hands!! it's ok? show me episod when russian stoped and holded by hands, 19-it's not called hooking (Hawerchuk)???
@guard777 You're wrong, there's nothing else to say about that. Canada won fairly, the most obviously blown call in the game lead to Russia's 4th goal and nobody's complaining about it. The most obviously blown call in game 2 was knocking Fuhr out of the net for the first USSR goal and nobody complains about that either. Stop complaining about NOTHING when nobody else is complaining about the actual blown calls. You're too used to the officials cheating for Russia and it's skewed your view.
@RigaFraction 4th goal watch here youtube.com/watch?v=2rg_-JwlN-o 3th minute makarov just hooked jersey not player!
episod with Fuhr - Hockey Rules: If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
@guard777 I know the hockey rules, they also state that if a player crashes into the crease on his own power, away from the play, specifically to move the goalie out of the crease so his team can put the puck into the empty net, it is not a goal and is a penalty to the team that did so. (there is no sub clause that reads * Unless it's a Russian and then it's ok). Again, you are just too used to Refs and judges cheating for Russia so you clearly don't know how the game is supposed to be called.
@guard777 Let's put it this way, anyone that says Bourque wasn't hooked on the 4th goal but, then says that Hawerchuk cheated on the 6th goal is clearly too full of crap to bother with anymore. I played along with the clueless Russian that's angry that the refs didn't cheat MORE to help the Russians as they ALWAYS do and is now throwing a tantrum 23 yrs later because he feels cheated because the refs didn't cheat to help his team. Now I am done with you. Canada won because they were better.
@guard777 clip 6, there's nothing there (no penalty), clip 7 also nothing (no penalty), clip 8 again nothing (no penalty), clip 9 is a Russian crying on the ice for nothing and arguing after the play with no actual clip of what happened. clip 10 is of a missed penalty (similar to trip that was called in clip 3), clip 11 is one of the most pathetic dives in hockey history (he's not much of an actor), clip 12 shows a Russian player getting away with blatant interference so that was a missed call..
@guard777 clip 13 wasn't as dramatic a dive as in clip 11 but was still a rather obvious dive. Nothing happens in clip 14 (no penalty), clip 15 Russian tries to crash the line and gets stopped (no penalty, the same play happens every shift on both ends of the ice with both teams), clip 16 same as 15 (no penalty), clip 17 text book forecheck (no penalty), clip 18 is a Russian doing the same thing as clips 15,16&17 and also no penalty for him either of course. clip 18 there's nothing there.....
@guard777 clip 19 greatest goal of all time with the greatest passer of all time setting up the greatest scorer of all time. Now what the poster didn't include (because he has no honesty or integrity) is the Russians hauling down Bourque for the 4th goal or any of the identical plays that weren't called penalties the other way for the same reasons. The officiating in the series was equal for both teams, your excuses are pathetic. You lost fairly, because nobody cheated to help you for a change.
@RigaFraction и вообще в НХЛ каждая команда играла на МНОГО больше игр за сезон чем ссср и что??? какая-то из этих команд играла лучше ссср?
по поводу судейства, удар клюшкой в лицо, пихание двумя руками пока не упадёт, держание игрока или его клюшку двумя руками -это нормально??? это хоккей или что??? а за что дали фол Быкову в столкновении с Лемьё, или за что получил игрок штраф из-за явного нырка Гретцки, это называется подсуживаение при чём в такой явной форме что я ещё такого не видел
I'm not from Russia or Canada, but from what I can see here the referee is clearly on the canadian side. Some of the interference on the russian players are ridiculous, and when Gretzky falls he was there quick to give him a penalty for absolutly nothing.
a lot of Russians cannot believe they lose because they are the weaker team. Its ALWAYS the refs or some other nonsense. Its that attitude that keeps Russian players like OV from being winners.
@unnamed00 EXACTLY!!!!!!! Kudos to you for posting these vids and taking the time to reply to the bullshit comments that are sent your way. Team Canada groupies always have 101 reasons why its team lost, yet no one ever looks at the other side, the 87 CC for example. Same goes for '76, '84, and '91. Has Canada recovered from the 96 WC?? 1998???? It's nice to hear from people who are versed in the history of Soviet Hockey, whose style of play I preferred. So few pundits aren't.
i Understand your point, howvere videos like these tend to have biased opinions, and it would only be fair to make a call if i saw tha entire game. it is likely that you may have left out calls that could have or should have been called for the canadians. because you obviously wanted russia to win this series
This short intro is good review, but it's incomplete... I think so there are missing Soviet's "hits" without penalties before some USSR goals in final games.... Why USSR lost 2nd game? Because for example Krutov wasn't able shot a goal in OT... Now you can write the info, why Canadians win in Olympic 2010 or why Russians didn't win World Championship 2010.... :)
This is about 1987, not 2010. There are no complaints about 2010, except to the Russian coaches.
Yes Krutov should have scored that goal in the 2nd game OT, but the point is that it was very hard to win against a home team that is allowed to do anything it wants most of the time.
This year It was the coaches first of all since they could not make proper decisions before and during the game, and it looks like after the game also...
The Russians picked Koharski. They thought he was fair to them in the round robin, and they didn't trust the american or west-european refs. I'm not saying it was completely even, but in game 1 Canada had 8 PP, the Russians 6. I can't find stats for game 2 or 3, but that doesn't seem to be as lop-sided as you are portraying. Maybe I'll watch game 3 tomorrow (the only 1 I have) and count how many penalties to each team.
It is not only about how many penalties were called, but also how many were uncalled.
Game 1 looked to be the cleanest of the three, and even though Koharski was clearly biased, he did try to be more objective at times than he did in game 3 (like disallowing a Canadian goal that was kicked in).
@bengi86 Agreed - but the OP is trying to make it seem like the series was handed to them by the ref - I think there was certainly a bias, but it pales in comparison to say the summit series, where in one game alone Canada was given 31 penalties vs the Soviets 4. Game 3 Canada had 5 pp chances, the Soviets 4. So again, Canada had a slight edge - but again... slight. You are right about the stuff not called, but its not as brutal as indicated by these clips.
@unnamed00 If you are insinuating that they dived I don't think that's earth shattering news. They were progressive players and attracted a lot of physical attention, of course they did. However, europeans introduced diving to the NHL, that's a fact, no name.
@bengi86 Well,it seems,that Gretzky and Lemieux were quick to learn! Picture doesn`t lie. I saw the whole game,by the way, and many times after,from video. But what did everybody expect!? The canada cup was made to prove the supremecy of canadian hockey. And it has always been unfair to europeans.Referees,travelling,hotel harrashments and the shameful trophy-incident with the russians,to mention a few occasions.
This is just sad. Brings the WJC Canada-Russia up to my mind. Russia led 6-1 until refs started to help them a bit. I'm glad they still lost.
NHLMkks 3 weeks ago
what great hockey country canada is. Nice referies and all...
MrEzuli 3 weeks ago
fuck u canada!!!
marstio74 3 weeks ago
this is just insane
Sackrider5000 3 weeks ago
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Sackrider5000 3 weeks ago
Hmmm, where have I seen this before? Oh thats right, yesterday vs russia at the world juniors.
Peakaboo2k 3 weeks ago 2
Wow!! Gretzky the diver.
Gazorgh 3 weeks ago
Nice try Comrad: and I hate whiny babies
Some get called & some don't
Generally it works both ways
Maybe you're a Vancouver Canucks fan too
willypdyer 1 month ago
@willypdyer It's plain that you are looking at this game as the officials do. Canada must win, to enforce all the brain dead in Canada that we own hockey, "It Our Game", Bullshit"!
We may have owned it on time, but we have not had it after 1952.
There would be almost no wins for Canada at any level, with out the complicity of the officials. It's just the truth, but hard to take.
All you have to do is look at these 5 or 6 Vids that I just looked at, it's as plain as day.
Refs can't count ha "7"
hanksnow2 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
It can't be made much more evident than @ 2:47, where the Ref(?) in front of the hook. But WTF, the officials can't call penalties against Can. if they expect to come close against a much more tallanted team.
This comes from a Canadian, who could see this from 1972. I'm similar to the alcoholic & knows he has a problem & states in public.
I am not similar to the biased officials & millions of North Americians, who choose to live a lie.
We'r catching up but, not there yet, still have 2 lie!
hanksnow2 2 months ago
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hanksnow2 2 months ago
Can v. Rest of the World - penalties/PPG/SHG - Canada Cup/World Cup 1976-96 comparison: ROBIN:goals:128:71,pen's:148:161,PPG:28:13,SHG:7:3.PLAY-OFF (without final): goals: 23:9,pen's:30:28,PPG:5:2,SHG:0:0.FINAL GAMES:goals: 56:51, penalties:85:84, PPG:12:11, SHG:2:5.COMPLETE COMPAR.: goals 207:131, penalties:263:273,PPG:45:26,SHG: 9:8. / CAN-USR CC87: results without penalties): robin 2:2, final ser.:3:4, 5:3, 5:5 / Can win 1V-2T-1L CANG.13:USSRG.12.
bODmRAZU666 2 months ago
Canadian hockey at its best when Gretzky + Lemieux played.
o0Sp3cia1K0o 4 months ago
You have paid attention, what almost Canada has hammered in all goals with infringement of rules?! If isn't present, BUY glasses!!! SUCH the CUP is necessary to YOU, Canada??? I REMEMBER AS YOU In 81 TH CUP of the NATIONAL TEAM of the USSR HAVE not given, AND NOW, the HISTORY HAS repeated! THEN WHAT SENSE of THIS TOURNAMENT? And on game all the same it is visible - the USSR was the best in the world at that point in time, without looking that you, Canada, a cup and have stolen!!!
Kenigsbergg39 4 months ago 10
Yeah - but we WON. And that's all that matters. It's been 20 years - Let it go. Better that you devote your time and energy to chiding the Russian team on to victory (lulz) in 2014 Sofi.
Sheesh - What's the motivation here? Did you bet the cabbage farm and wind up in the gulag? You should *never* bet against Canada when it comes to hockey. Especially not when a Canadian is reffing!
Ghengis66 5 months ago
Coharsky with Canada won this serias
shuljup 6 months ago 11
As a Canadian, this video is thoroughly embarrassing. Koharski at his finest, :(
Thormodr 6 months ago 4
The only time Canadian national team has won anything in past few years (Vancouver Olympics) is when they have had "one of their own" officiating ...
Russian penalties were mostly called when needed but not always. However, I remember clearly what a joke Canadians' "interference hockey" was. Nevertheless, those were great games to watch ...
Hyvaerinen 6 months ago
@Hyvaerinen Lol. Sour grapes. 2002 was "nothing" too, hey? So funny. The NHL is STILL well over 50% Canadian. Ergo, Canada has a larger talent pool in hockey than the REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. I suppose that has NOTHING to do with winning. Get a grip. I understand it hurts to lose, but, really....!!??? Have some self respect.
Ghengis66 5 months ago
canada sucks and will always do . but money talks fuck team canada
eax89 6 months ago
@eax89 money talks?? Do you think Canada is that much more rich than Russia? quit buying weapons and spend some money on your athletes and sports facilities. You're all a fucking disgrace.
jeroliver 3 months ago
@jeroliver Oh my. Did you not see this clip? Its almost as bad as yesterday at the juniors.
Peakaboo2k 3 weeks ago
Спасибо за видео.Я хорошо помню эту игру.Канада должна была вручить кубок Канады Кухарски на вечное хранение.
shuljup 6 months ago 2
Yeah I guess if you are an idiot and know nothing about hockey, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between penalties that are always called and ones that are never called. It's simple even if you are a moron (pay attention), if you hinder play with a foul it will get called, simple?
spckoachk 7 months ago
just proved to all the world that the Soviets dive, there's a rule now in the NHL because of the diving Soviets
tking1974 7 months ago
You've got to admire the Russians whatever the score. All the games were played in North America with none other than Kolharski reffing the final game. Canada clearly had the home ice advantage. That said though, it's the hockey tournament I miss the most!
stevemabc123 8 months ago
Fuck it Canada, very much shit country. Only beat Russian player, they won, else they no can won Russia. They playing, than little girls, fairy bleat.
In the 1981 Russia - Canada 8-1, this Canada not want given Cup of Russia, but real fans Canada made cup of Russia and give cup to Russia/Moscow.
tronuo 8 months ago
that's how hockey in North America was played back then. this stuff was acceptable in the NHL in 87.
skinwalkerxxx 9 months ago
"that's how hockey in North America was played back then. this stuff was acceptable in the NHL in 87."
It is not about that. Look at what the Soviets were called for.
unnamed00 8 months ago
@unnamed00 ok man gretzky while being a great player every time the "great one" got hit refs call something, lemieux was tripped imo, everyone hates the ref's in hockey hasn't changed to this day. Canada would have won without questionable calls, or maybe Russia would have won. I'm Canadian but I am also of Russian/Ukranian decent so this is as unbiased as possible. When a diver is supposedly our countrys "great one" and some overated crybaby is our next up it makes me sad.
good series bad call
trevortes 8 months ago
@unnamed00 I saw what they weren't called for. A brutal hook on Paul Coffey that directly led to a goal. The calls were even.
jeroliver 3 months ago
@unnamed00 There were bad calls/non calls on both ends. Tough shit. I should also note that Koharski was REQUESTED by the the Soviet team to officiate this series.
rottingmeatman 3 months ago
@unnamed00 forget to mention, mostly all i see in this video is some of the worst diving and attempts at drawing bullshit penalties in hockey history coming from the Soviet team. I counted at least 12 cases of diving from the Soviet team in this video alone. Sean Avery would be proud.
rottingmeatman 3 months ago
@rottingmeatman
You see what you want to see. Canadians always lose when they play without referee's helping. Everybody knows about it.
JaneIsMine 2 months ago
@skinwalkerxxx - Don't think so..NHL would split it up & not let one side get away with everything, like in this game. But hey, shit like this was allowed in every Can. / Rus. game, or none of the scores would have even been close, Russia would win all by at least 8 goals. Ah, remember in 72 when guys like Howe, Beliveau, said we should win every game by at least 8 goals?..Naw, most braindead N/A wouldn't rember that, cause @ the end we were going nuts just to have won by the slimist of margins
hanksnow2 2 months ago
Fact is canadians always play well coz referees are completely for them... ha ha ha dirty losers..... You can;t play honestly coz you are just dirty snobbish wankers ha ha ha
TheFragilistic 10 months ago
BOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH CANADA..................
aaaaaaaandi 1 year ago
Canadians are shit.
Stompulator44 1 year ago
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It is a shame ! The worst of all worst attempts by Canad to win with aranged games. Their own small ice own referes. I can not understand why the rest of the world plays in Canada. Patetic !
stugsittaren 1 year ago
It is a shame ! The worst of all worst attempts by Canad to win. Their own small ice own referes. I can not understand why the rest of the world plays in Canada. Patetic !
stugsittaren 1 year ago
A big shame in canadian hockey history.
alouette87 1 year ago
am i suprised canada is doing these things? no im not
Smoerable 1 year ago
Was the referee canadian? Says it all to me. Canadians always pull the dirtiest tricks.
jimnils 1 year ago
Respect for the Soviet players who managed to play all the way to the end even if they were almost beaten to death...
wasara85 1 year ago
This is still going on today.. Canadians are so pathetic. the whole workd laugh when someone even mentions the word canada and hockey in the same sentence. HAHAHA canada HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dyngklumpen 1 year ago
@dyngklumpen yeah you are right, dirty wankers as I said
TheFragilistic 10 months ago
wow, I'm Canadian, and this is really embarrassing on behalf of the Canadian team.
Dudeinator6599 1 year ago
Some shameful diving, blech.
vertgg 1 year ago
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baja1423 1 year ago
Of note: Since it doesn't fit the liar's conspiracy theory. Russia ended the first period with back to back powerplays, they then had 3 of the 5 powerplays given in the second period as well. 5 of the 7 penalties assessed in the middle of this game went against Canada while they ignored several blatant Russian penalties (such as the hook on Bourque that lead to goal #4) and he's STILL whining? The PiMs could have been 28-4 for Russia like in game 6 of '72 and he'd still claim Russia was cheated
RigaFraction 1 year ago 2
Should the Soviets have thanked the referees for at least calling a fraction of the penalties Canada deserved?
In the four games between the two teams in the tournament, Canada had 18 penalties while the Soviets 26...
Canada should have had like three times that number, or you think that this does not indicate any bias and the Soviets were the dirtier team?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 according to your words only canadians can break the rules and be unpunished? it's a game and referees are only human.
vituss44 1 year ago
@unnamed00 - The fact of the matter is that at this time..The Canadian style of play was alot different than the Soviet style of play. Soviet players were not used to all of the hitting...as a result, the Soviets tended to embellish alot because they were not used to getting hit so much. Today the game has leveled off alot because Russian players play in the NHL. I don't think it is fair to blame the Canadians...nor to blame the Soviets...I remember watching the games and I remember ...cont
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@unnamed00 - continued - I remember watching the games and I remember complaining at the way the Russian players embellished to draw penalties. What you fail to understand is that when you dive to draw a penalty or if you embellish a play... eventually the Referees stop calling anything because they get fed up with it. Year after year you see the same thing from the Russian team in the World Juniors...Alot of it comes from the way the game is played over there. Continued....
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@unnamed00 - Continued - Russian fans who don't understand watch those games and say Canada was dirty and that the Refs were biased because they did not make those calls. The truth is the refs very not used to calling a game with so much diving & embellishment... Just like in 72 when the Russian refs handed out over 30 minutes in penalties to the Canadians...they didn't know what to do. Your video does not take into account the different styles of play and the problems this caused.
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish
So your only argument is the old Canadian excuse that the Soviets were always diving...
unnamed00 10 months ago
it's because soviet players were masters AT PLAYING HOCKEY and were never taught any dirty tricks, where as canada had a couple of guys how could play hockey, whereas the rest relied SOLELY ON DIRTY, MEAN tricks and were concerned more with PHYSICALLY DESTROYING OPPONENTS rather than with OUTPLAYING them by the rules, which they SIMPLY COULD NOT DO, cause soviets WERE SO much better at hockey proper.
In the skills department canada were annihilated, but won by brutality and refereeing.
peacenforcer 10 months ago
@RigaFraction Keep on punching. This guy (unamed00) is a propagandist, and like all propagandists, he doesn't even try to be fair. He will not admit the slightest fault of the Russians, even when deserved, and that destroys his credibility.
wilmanric1 1 year ago 2
The Russian players probably look back and say "we had a great series, sure it was 5 Canadians players and the refs were against us but fair or not, we played a good game". This isn't pointless though I commend the person who put out these videos.. I am a Canadian but I want my team to win honorably. I even remember watching this series and even knowing something wasn't right.
9blinger 9 months ago
What happened to winning with dignity? I mean those Canadian players such as Gretzky diving isn't a lie, and it's clearly on video .Doesn’t that bother any of us Canadian fans?
9blinger 9 months ago
Aww don't be a pussy. Bad refereeing happens. If Koharski was not fair, then maybe that makes up for the incredibly biased refereeing in 72, when the Russians got away with spearing and Canadians got penalties for bodychecks. Don't forget the Russian goal judge that did not want to allow the game-tying goal. There's a lot of hits that were perfectly acceptable by the standard of the day.
wilmanric1 1 year ago
@wilmanric1
Bad refereeing happens... So it just randomly happened in the final of the 87 Cup?
And you don't even know about 72. The referee decides on a goal, not the goal judge... Get your facts straight.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Yes, actually I do know about '72, because unlike you, I was alive then and watched it, live. Since you did not have that opportunity, check out some of the other videos, especially the one where the Canadians score the tying goal in Game 8 and the Soviet goal judge refused to light the red light. After a near-riot by the Canadian players, he relented.
Things even out with time. That's my point. And the Ref in '72 was hand-picked the day of the game.
wilmanric1 1 year ago
@wilmanric1
Let me guess you saw the game live back in 72, but did not see it since then?
I still don't understand what the goal judge has anything to do with bad officiating if the referee indicated a goal...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 While key players were absent on both sides during the 1972 series, my memory of 1972 is not the refereeing but the ordered "hit" via Bobby Clarke that broke Kharlamov's ankle in Moscow and effectively neutralized him for the rest of the series (giving Canada a clear advantage), thuggery that continued in Moscow '74 and in Canada's return to the WC in '77 (even politicians spoke up about how embarassing it was). Even a Soviet B-squad didn't cheap-shot Orr in the '76 Canada Cup...
MadcapLaugh3 1 year ago
@MadcapLaugh3 That's a load of bunk. It's a fictional excuse to make up for Russia losing. In reality, Canada never lost a game with Serge Savard (who actually DID have a broken foot) in the lineup because he gave them the puck moving D-man they were missing. Kharlamov never missed a SHIFT in the game in question, he was out there for the powerplay, was benched the next game because he had been terrible in the games in Europe and was back for the game that followed that. He wasn't injured
RigaFraction 1 year ago
So apparently Kharlamov was benched because he was terrible... Nothing to do with the ankle...
That is something new. Well at least you are trying to be original...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Truth hurts I guess. Your excuses are amusing but, the Kharlamoc excuse has grown roots over the years. The reality is that he never missed a single shift that game, he played on the actual powerplay, he was benched for being terrible in the several games in Europe and being responsible for several defensive breakdowns which lead to big goals by Canada. He also returned to the lineup in game 8 and played a regular shift. That excuse was as faulty as all of your fictional excuses.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
The only one here with fictional claims is you.
Kharlamov was benched... I guess he told you that when you met him last week, right?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Look it up. He was terrible in the games over in Europe (including the ones between game 4 and 5 of the series). He never missed a single shift in the game he was 'injured', played on the powerplay and played again in game 8. You apparently know as little about that series as you do about Canada Cup 87. You should just quit while you're behind rather than embarrassing yourself any further.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
Look it up where?
Sounds like you have knowledge of the series that others don't... Why don't you write a book?
Just because he continued to play does not mean he was not injured, silly.
You are the one who is really embarrassing himself here...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 absoletly right, difference in officiating at 1 and 2 vs. 3 game noticeable
guard777 1 year ago
So basically this whiner is saying Canada won because the Russians spent the entire game flopping and diving all over the ice whether they were touched lightly or not at all and they should have focused on trying to play hockey instead. In reality, they lost because they had less talent, they survived because they were a team that played together regularly and had chemistry but, in the end the vastly superior talents of Mario and Gretzky etc beat the team when they formed their own chemistry.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
Soviets diving, only being good because of playing all year... Typical silly excuses.
Again, a team with more talent does not grab and hold just to keep up...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 1 It's you claiming that Canada was diving while showing a video of Russians diving all over the ice
2 Agreed, more talented teams don't need to grab and hold just to keep up, the Russians do however. Which is why they get penalties when the game is called fairly.
3 No more stupid excuses, just accept that Russia was the second best team and get over it already. There's no shame in finishing second in a tourney that featured the greatest talent ever assembled on one team. Sore loser.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction Well said.
wilmanric1 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
What video are you watching?
You obviously are very selective in what you see in this game and series if you think that the Soviets were the ones grabbing to keep up...
And yes there is no shame in finishing second in a tournament that so heavily favors the home team.
Again, the best team does not need so much help to barely win.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You claim Fuhr wasn't interfered with and then claim I am selective in what I see? Get a clue you lying, whiney, excuse making hypocritical sore loser.
There is no shame in being 2nd you should stop making excuses. They were most definitely not cheated out of ANYTHING, the officiating had good and bad calls both ways and your excuses only expose you as a sore loser. Canada won fair and square and you're not man enough to handle it. That is YOUR short coming, not ours. Deal with it.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
Well obviously you can't deal with what this video shows. You know that what I am saying is true but you can't admit it, so you just rant and say the same things over and over.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Speaking of selective in what you see. We've already seen your pathetic attempt at excusing the first goal for Russia in game 2 as pretending it was Fuhr chasing a Russian to swing at him and not being knocked out of his crease illegally as it REALLY was. What's your excuse for Russia's 4th goal in the 3rd game. The one in which Bourque was clearly hooked to the ice in his own end, resulting directly in a turnover breakaway for a Russian goal with no call? No issue with that right?
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
The 4th goal was discussed so many times here...
It was a slight hook at best. Even the Canadian commentators don't say anything.
Even if it was an oblivious hook, it does not even the bad no calls out.
You want to see an obvious hook? Look at Messier's hook at 1:45 (after which Canada got the puck and almost scored), which was like 30 seconds before the 4th Soviet goal.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Oh really? So hauling down the last defender to create a breakaway goal is ok but, Hawerchuk getting tied up with someone well behind the play is a horrible outrage! You're so full of crap it's beyond funny at this point. 1:45 is a Russian dive, as plain as the nose on your face. You can't even be a LITTLE bit honest can you? Once again Canada won fair and square no matter how much you whine and pretend they were cheated somehow. Lying through your teeth will never change that.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
Bourque was hauled down? Soviet dive at 1:45? Bykov was well behind the play when he was hooked down on the last goal??
Either you are retarded or you are just being a clown...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@RigaFraction what are you talking about let's put God's work out for minute- who has more talent :)
look on vid, watch full game, what a huge mistakes of reffering!! with such "referee" the USSR could be won evev by junior team of Finaland
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 The team with Lemieux and Gretzky, surrounded by Messier, Coffey, Bourque, etc had FAR more talent. The other side had more chemistry because they were a team that played together regularly. I watched the series, the refereeing wasn't lopsided in Canada's favour, go back and look at the Russian's first goal in game 2 for example, Fuhr was knocked out of his crease away from the play and they scored on the empty net because of it. KNOW what you're talking first next time.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
Yes know what you are talking about.
Fuhr would not be out of position for that goal if he was not dumb enough to go try to take a swing at a Soviet player...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You just showed how big a hypocrite you are. Gee I wonder what you would have said had it been a Canadian forward that ran through the crease away from the play, knocked the Russian goalie away from the net and then a Canadian scored into the open net created by the forward knocking the goalie out of the way and on his face. We ALL know you wouldn't be blaming the Russian goalie for that now would you? You're a hypocritical whiner, get over it the best team won and your's lost FAIRLY
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction
You don't see Fuhr trying to throw a punch?
Watch the play again and without homer glasses...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 AFTER he's been knocked out of the net. The play should have been called on a Russian penalty for goalie interference and thus no goal. Try pulling your lying head out of your ass and maybe you'd be less full of shit.
You are going to talk about homer glasses? You're completely full of shit with your Russian propaganda and you're going to try that? You're a joke.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
All I can say is if you see that Fuhr was ran over on purpose and don't see him trying to throw a punch, then you need to wash the shit off your face that is blocking your eyes...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 First of all let me just say that I admire your persistence. You've been responding to people's comments for like 5 years without a break. You're like some sort of communist energizer bunny. However, unlike rabbits, your eyesight needs work. Otherwise you'd notice Bykov sticking out his left skate and tripping Lemieux at 1:04. Anyway I look forward to your revisionist take on this year's olympic quarter final in the year 2032..
andye2007 1 year ago 2
@andye2007
I reply to comments usually only once a week...
Bykov did not try to trip Lemieux; he tried to play the puck and then could not move completely out of the way in time. It was just a collision and looks like Lemieux threw his hands up in the air and fell.
Compared to what Canada was getting away with the call was ridiculous.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@andye2007 hahahah good call
bar14 1 year ago
@RigaFraction as I see you understand russian слушай не смеши меня кто талантлевее :) в сборной ссср были собраны ребята со всей страны в течении многих лет, по мне они умели делать на площадке гораздо больше чем канадские ребята, просто посмотри внимательнее за действия лемьё гретцки и ребят из первой пятёрки это просто разный уровень, и не говори чепухи что главное здесь их частота игр вместе(это конечно же помогает и обвинять то что они лучше подготовлены это просто бред) т.к. Гретцки тоже
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 It's simple logic really, I don't see why it would be so difficult to accept. The Russians played together on a regular basis and thus they had line chemistry, their coach knew which combinations worked better and which didn't. The KLM line was a set line and thus they knew where one another would be and worked very well with one another. On the flip side, Canada was put together a month or so before the tourney and had to learn to play with one another and find their chemistry.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
That's not meant as an excuse, it's merely a factor that goes into it. A well oiled TEAM will often beat a collection of all-stars thrown together because they have been made as a team and their total is greater than the sum of their parts. The Russians had the luxury of having a well oiled team that played together regularly. That's a good thing as it made for some very entertaining hockey and allowed them to play with the other worldly talents of Lemieux and Gretzky on the other side.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction I got it that they were prepared better but so what??? It gaves permissin to koharsky forget the rules?? :))
can you accept that it's just rediculos when one team say to another "You were prepared better and it's not Ok " ))))
in nhl some team every season playing about 100 games and when they were playing against russian teams as Soviet wings which were playing about 30 games at season so we need also to say You have much better chemistry? :)
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 No, the two have nothing to do with one another. Koharski missed calls in both directions. If anything, moreso in favour of the Russian team than the Canadian team. The notion that Russia was ripped off by the officiating in this series is completely inaccurate. Russia's first goal in game 2 was scored because they knocked the goalie out of the crease behind the play and scored in the empty net, their 4th in gm 3 was scored because they hauled down Bourque for a breakaway. For example
RigaFraction 1 year ago
I think you guys are just so used to watching referees and judges cheat their behinds off to make sure Russia gets first place because you can't win unless the refs and judges cheat to help you, that when the officials call something fairly, you think they're cheating against you because they aren't helping you anymore. Such as the 72 Summit Series, the 72 Olympic Basketball, any Olympic Figure Skating event (including getting caught doing it in 2002) and many many other such "competitions". :)
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction'' The notion that Russia was ripped off by the officiating in this series is completely '' Absolutely so, in time of game 3 canadian referee made many rude mistakes to side of Canada, it's a fact a video as can see!!
now let's see mistakes to Russia, 1 goal in 2 game, open the Rules that say-"If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 You're wrong and the video partly proves you wrong. The video also selectively neglected to include Russia's 4th goal of the game which was scored when the last Canadian defender (Bourque) was blatantly hauled down to create a breakaway for Russia on the play. The video shows many examples of Russians diving trying to draw penalties when none was commited and they failed to do so many times because their acting was very poor. You are a total LIAR about the 2 Russian goals mentioned.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction 4-th goal watch carefully vid named "Canada Cup 1987 final goals" 3-05 minute and you'll see stick didn't touch body of canadian player only jersey!!!
many examples of diving? please minutes where these baaaaad rusians executed divings in many times
guard777 1 year ago
not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."
the 4-th goal - watch it correctly, the russian player just tryed to hook but he didn't succeced ,it was hooking on jersey the didn't touch the body of canadian player, and also hear what Commentators said on this
COMMON BE FAIR we are talking about punch with two hands on stick, holding the player with two hands
guard777 1 year ago
holding stick by two hands,
pease explain me why Bikov got penalty when he collided with Lemeux??
why russian player got penalty on so real! diving of your great one??
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 Since you clearly don't know the rules of the sport. In the video clip 1 is a penalty because 27 hooked Mario and hauled him down illegally, clip 2 was a penalty because the 2nd Russian crosschecked HAWERCHUK (10) after the first Russian crosschecked him in front of the net, it had NOTHING to do with Gretzky. clip 3 #27 gets a penalty for sticking his foot out to trip Lemieux. Clip 4 wasn't a penalty, it was a Russian pretending he was shot when he got pushed in front of the net.....
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction in this vid two moments with collide M and Bikov I ment the moment in 1:05, For what bikov got penalty?
If you want to argue each mistakes/moments of Koharsky in this vid let's call moments by minutes, because what I undestood from your last post that from 4 to 20 clip "no penalty" everything was Ok
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 I already explained it. Look at his foot, he sticks his foot out and trips Lemieux. He got a tripping penalty for doing so and it was an accurate call.
If you want to know why any of them were or weren't penalties, or what was or wasn't called on the play, just ask a specific time (as you did here) and I will explain the ruling to you. I listed individual clips in my first explanation because it's faster.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction yeah but Bykov didn't put his foot for triping!! it was ocassional collide. by such logic you can allways find gilty in any collide
specific time? punch to face! with two hands on stick, holding the player with two hands 3-44, push the player at back till he falls, hooking (Hawerchuk), diving 0-48 ALL THIS WAS OK for 80"???
you know, open first an second game of CC87 and you see alomst all punches hoooking and holding was penaltied
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 You're wrong, he most assuredly did use his foot to trip Lemieux.
I'll humour you, Clip 1 is right away, clip 2 0:30, clip 3 is the one you're wrong about above (look at 0:51 and look at his left foot). clip 4 1:14, clip 6, 7 & 8 are 1:39, 1:48, 2:00. Clip 9 (the mystery clip) is 2:06, clip 10 2:43 (likely would have been a penalty but the the feet never touched because the Russian was already diving trying to draw a call) Clip 11 is the pathetic dive at 2:47 (worst dive ever).....
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction about moment of BIkov first - he put his foot out before metr from Mario and second look at this youtube.com/watch?v=TKVkZyNku90&feature=related and youtube.com/watch?v=KNQyIVX3ans&feature=related
ok so second clip it's not diving? 4-th it's not punch? 8 - to push opponent at back few times till he fal,l is ok?? 9-penalty 2 mintes ,10- it's not diving canadian players putted stick between the legs,right under balls :) and russian player tried to get out from this by jump
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 You've been told several times now, the second clip isn't a penalty for the hook on Gretzky, the penalty is Hawerchuk (#10) getting crosschecked twice in front of the net off to the left side of the image. I know #27 stuck his foot out before Mario, that's why he got a tripping penalty when he tripped him with that foot. (it's the rules). Clip 9 doesn't show anything happening so you cannot comment on what happened there as nothing happened. You clearly didn't watch the video.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction look this moment with Bikov and M as usually doesn't call as penalty, two more examples youtube.com/watch?v=w9eaECfK8F8 and youtube.com/watch?v=TKVkZyNku90&feature=related it depends on referee and that evening referee didn't like cccp :)
yeah you are rigth russians got penalty on Hawerchuk but why at 3:33 on the same crosschecking candiens didn't got penalty?? and what about penalty on diving of Gretzky??
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 in 1987 'diving' wasn't a penalty, which is why Russia didn't wind up with about 20 or 30 diving penalties in that game.
minor Holding, Punching, Hooking, Xchecking, Pushing as you called it was going both directions with both teams equally and was let go because it was all typical and minor in the course of fighting for the puck and for position. It wasn't a penalty when Fetisov did it and it wasn't a penalty when Rochefort did it either. Both teams were called by the SAME standard
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction I proposed for you to show me the same moments\situations from russians in start of our conversation, really show me tell me minutes when it happened maybe you are really right talking about two directions,
But meanwhile what I saw in the game and in this vid it says me and to fans from another countries, it was not so at all.
(you showed me two moments but one of those not penalty by the rules and another I may call hooking on the jersey) 1 against 15 is not "two directions"
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 clip 12 (missed Russian interference penalty) is 3:09, clip 13 another brutal Russian dive is 3:16, clip 14 is 3:30 (seriously??), clips 15, 16 & 17 are plays you see from both teams on every shift at 3:38, 3:47 and 4:15 (You can find both teams doing all of those all game every game). clip 18 is 4:25 and shows a Russian doing the same as in clips 15, 16 &17 with no call being made there either (as there shouldn't have been). There's NOTHING legit in this entire video of whining.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction 12 - canadian stick between russian legs, why penalty for russian?))) 16 3:47 - stoped and holded player by two hands!! it's ok? show me episod when russian stoped and holded by hands, 19-it's not called hooking (Hawerchuk)???
guard777 1 year ago
@RigaFraction may be it's faster but I have no idea which clip is #9 and which #14 for example
just please say minutes which shown down while the moment
guard777 1 year ago
you know, you won second game FAIRLY I have no complaines about this victory!
and if 3 game was won in about same level of reffering I just would say congratulation Canada! as I did for olympyc 2010, bravo you really deserved!
but victory in 3 game was not fair! even if I even was japanese or australian I have to say - it was not fair game
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 You're wrong, there's nothing else to say about that. Canada won fairly, the most obviously blown call in the game lead to Russia's 4th goal and nobody's complaining about it. The most obviously blown call in game 2 was knocking Fuhr out of the net for the first USSR goal and nobody complains about that either. Stop complaining about NOTHING when nobody else is complaining about the actual blown calls. You're too used to the officials cheating for Russia and it's skewed your view.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction 4th goal watch here youtube.com/watch?v=2rg_-JwlN-o 3th minute makarov just hooked jersey not player!
episod with Fuhr - Hockey Rules: If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 I know the hockey rules, they also state that if a player crashes into the crease on his own power, away from the play, specifically to move the goalie out of the crease so his team can put the puck into the empty net, it is not a goal and is a penalty to the team that did so. (there is no sub clause that reads * Unless it's a Russian and then it's ok). Again, you are just too used to Refs and judges cheating for Russia so you clearly don't know how the game is supposed to be called.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction yeah but if attacking player was pushed by defending player it's not penalty /Hockey Rules
guard777 1 year ago
@RigaFraction Holding Punching Hooking Crosscheking Pushing what ever you want and no penalty :) that's how game suppossed to be looked?? be fair!
guard777 1 year ago
@RigaFraction NOTHING??? hooking by Hawerchuk is nothing?? punch at back 2:00holding player and stick is Ok?
all this and else mistakes is called CHEATING BY REFEREE
guard777 1 year ago
@guard777 Let's put it this way, anyone that says Bourque wasn't hooked on the 4th goal but, then says that Hawerchuk cheated on the 6th goal is clearly too full of crap to bother with anymore. I played along with the clueless Russian that's angry that the refs didn't cheat MORE to help the Russians as they ALWAYS do and is now throwing a tantrum 23 yrs later because he feels cheated because the refs didn't cheat to help his team. Now I am done with you. Canada won because they were better.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@guard777 clip 6, there's nothing there (no penalty), clip 7 also nothing (no penalty), clip 8 again nothing (no penalty), clip 9 is a Russian crying on the ice for nothing and arguing after the play with no actual clip of what happened. clip 10 is of a missed penalty (similar to trip that was called in clip 3), clip 11 is one of the most pathetic dives in hockey history (he's not much of an actor), clip 12 shows a Russian player getting away with blatant interference so that was a missed call..
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@guard777 clip 13 wasn't as dramatic a dive as in clip 11 but was still a rather obvious dive. Nothing happens in clip 14 (no penalty), clip 15 Russian tries to crash the line and gets stopped (no penalty, the same play happens every shift on both ends of the ice with both teams), clip 16 same as 15 (no penalty), clip 17 text book forecheck (no penalty), clip 18 is a Russian doing the same thing as clips 15,16&17 and also no penalty for him either of course. clip 18 there's nothing there.....
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@guard777 clip 19 greatest goal of all time with the greatest passer of all time setting up the greatest scorer of all time. Now what the poster didn't include (because he has no honesty or integrity) is the Russians hauling down Bourque for the 4th goal or any of the identical plays that weren't called penalties the other way for the same reasons. The officiating in the series was equal for both teams, your excuses are pathetic. You lost fairly, because nobody cheated to help you for a change.
RigaFraction 1 year ago
@RigaFraction clip 19 as I undestood is about last goal,
it was not hooking by Hawerchuk?? ;) not seem by cheetest referee of allllll the time
guard777 1 year ago
@RigaFraction и вообще в НХЛ каждая команда играла на МНОГО больше игр за сезон чем ссср и что??? какая-то из этих команд играла лучше ссср?
по поводу судейства, удар клюшкой в лицо, пихание двумя руками пока не упадёт, держание игрока или его клюшку двумя руками -это нормально??? это хоккей или что??? а за что дали фол Быкову в столкновении с Лемьё, или за что получил игрок штраф из-за явного нырка Гретцки, это называется подсуживаение при чём в такой явной форме что я ещё такого не видел
guard777 1 year ago
@RigaFraction а откровенный зацеп хаверчуком пока игрок не упал, это что тоже по правилам???
guard777 1 year ago
what a bunch of bullshit. Makarov clearly hooked Bourque to directly allow the 4th russian goal. it goes both ways.
hebber1961 1 year ago 2
I'm not from Russia or Canada, but from what I can see here the referee is clearly on the canadian side. Some of the interference on the russian players are ridiculous, and when Gretzky falls he was there quick to give him a penalty for absolutly nothing.
If you think this was fair, think again.
helgonet79 1 year ago
@helgonet79 Bingo!!!! Try being a Canadian and saying the same thing, you get villified!
MadcapLaugh3 1 year ago
certainly i miracle that ussr only lost with one goal...
wasara85 1 year ago
man thats embarrassing it looked like Team Canada was playing soccer
mrFantasticfan111 1 year ago
a lot of Russians cannot believe they lose because they are the weaker team. Its ALWAYS the refs or some other nonsense. Its that attitude that keeps Russian players like OV from being winners.
infinitidal 1 year ago 3
What are you talking about?
They were not the weaker team here...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 .... losing team ...
infinitidal 1 year ago
The losing team is not always the weaker team, especially given these circumstances.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 EXACTLY!!!!!!! Kudos to you for posting these vids and taking the time to reply to the bullshit comments that are sent your way. Team Canada groupies always have 101 reasons why its team lost, yet no one ever looks at the other side, the 87 CC for example. Same goes for '76, '84, and '91. Has Canada recovered from the 96 WC?? 1998???? It's nice to hear from people who are versed in the history of Soviet Hockey, whose style of play I preferred. So few pundits aren't.
MadcapLaugh3 1 year ago
@MadcapLaugh3
Thanks. Nice to see that there are fans of Soviet hockey among Canadians.
You are only like the second Canadian who did not flame me for this video and looked at it objectively.
unnamed00 1 year ago
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@unnamed00 Missing Soviets in 1976: Kharlamov, Petrov, Mikhailov, Takushev, Shadrin, Anisin, Liapkin, Tsygankov; 1979: Fetisov, Maltsev, Prirodin, Belousov, Yakushev, Drozdetsky, Liapkin, Shalatov, Gusev, Volchov, Bokov, Lebedev, Bodunov, Vikulov (still won!); 1984: Tretiak (best goalie in the world), Fetisov, Drozdetsky, Balderis (thanks to Tikhonov) -- with these additions, Canada loses!; 1987: bogus referee and Svetlov out of finals due to broken wrist; 1991: 12+ players boycott Tikhonov! :-)
MadcapLaugh3 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Missing Soviets in 1976: Kharlamov, Petrov, Mikhailov, Takushev, Shadrin, Anisin, Liapkin, Tsygankov; 1979: Fetisov, Maltsev, Prirodin, Belousov, Yakushev, Drozdetsky, Liapkin, Shalatov, Gusev, Volchov, Bokov, Lebedev, Bodunov, Vikulov (still won!); 1984: Tretiak (best goalie in the world), Fetisov, Drozdetsky, Balderis (thanks to Tikhonov) -- with these additions, Canada loses!; 1987: bogus referee and Svetlov out of finals due to broken wrist; 1991: 12+ players boycott Tikhonov! :-)
MadcapLaugh3 1 year ago
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@unnamed00 Missing Soviets in 1976: Kharlamov, Petrov, Mikhailov, Takushev, Shadrin, Anisin, Liapkin, Tsygankov; 1979: Fetisov, Maltsev, Prirodin, Belousov, Yakushev, Drozdetsky, Liapkin, Shalatov, Gusev, Volchov, Bokov, Lebedev, Bodunov, Vikulov (still won!); 1984: Tretiak (best goalie in the world), Fetisov, Drozdetsky, Balderis (thanks to Tikhonov) -- with these additions, Canada loses!; 1987: bogus referee and Svetlov out of finals due to broken wrist; 1991: 12+ players boycott Tikhonov! :-)
MadcapLaugh3 1 year ago
it was fixed
MrDaemonB 1 year ago
@MrDaemonB that's right, if something is broken, ask the Canadians to fix it!
infinitidal 1 year ago
Did The Russian's Get Any power play's?
comedainguy24 1 year ago
@comedainguy24
They did get powerplays, but not as much as Canada and not nearly as much as they should have gotten.
unnamed00 1 year ago
i Understand your point, howvere videos like these tend to have biased opinions, and it would only be fair to make a call if i saw tha entire game. it is likely that you may have left out calls that could have or should have been called for the canadians. because you obviously wanted russia to win this series
18Fizz81 1 year ago
Well of course there were some missed calls for Canada, but they can't compare in number.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 ... too funny ...
infinitidal 1 year ago
@infinitidal
You are too funny...
unnamed00 1 year ago
This short intro is good review, but it's incomplete... I think so there are missing Soviet's "hits" without penalties before some USSR goals in final games.... Why USSR lost 2nd game? Because for example Krutov wasn't able shot a goal in OT... Now you can write the info, why Canadians win in Olympic 2010 or why Russians didn't win World Championship 2010.... :)
bODmRAZU666 1 year ago
This is about 1987, not 2010. There are no complaints about 2010, except to the Russian coaches.
Yes Krutov should have scored that goal in the 2nd game OT, but the point is that it was very hard to win against a home team that is allowed to do anything it wants most of the time.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 it wasn't the Russian coaches who crumbled under the Canadian pressure ....
infinitidal 1 year ago
This year It was the coaches first of all since they could not make proper decisions before and during the game, and it looks like after the game also...
unnamed00 1 year ago
The Russians picked Koharski. They thought he was fair to them in the round robin, and they didn't trust the american or west-european refs. I'm not saying it was completely even, but in game 1 Canada had 8 PP, the Russians 6. I can't find stats for game 2 or 3, but that doesn't seem to be as lop-sided as you are portraying. Maybe I'll watch game 3 tomorrow (the only 1 I have) and count how many penalties to each team.
shazariahl 1 year ago 2
It is not only about how many penalties were called, but also how many were uncalled.
Game 1 looked to be the cleanest of the three, and even though Koharski was clearly biased, he did try to be more objective at times than he did in game 3 (like disallowing a Canadian goal that was kicked in).
bengi86 1 year ago
@bengi86 Agreed - but the OP is trying to make it seem like the series was handed to them by the ref - I think there was certainly a bias, but it pales in comparison to say the summit series, where in one game alone Canada was given 31 penalties vs the Soviets 4. Game 3 Canada had 5 pp chances, the Soviets 4. So again, Canada had a slight edge - but again... slight. You are right about the stuff not called, but its not as brutal as indicated by these clips.
shazariahl 1 year ago
31 penalty minutes in one game, not 31 penalties...
That includes a 10 minute misconduct and a 5 minute major. Canadians deserved it as they played very dirty.
unnamed00 1 year ago
You never saw diving in the NHL until europeans started playing en masse. Purely european influence.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well I guess Gretzky and Lemieux were under the influence already in 87...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 If you are insinuating that they dived I don't think that's earth shattering news. They were progressive players and attracted a lot of physical attention, of course they did. However, europeans introduced diving to the NHL, that's a fact, no name.
lindsman68 1 year ago
"However, europeans introduced diving to the NHL, that's a fact, no name."
I don't know where you get your facts...
bengi86 1 year ago
@bengi86 Well,it seems,that Gretzky and Lemieux were quick to learn! Picture doesn`t lie. I saw the whole game,by the way, and many times after,from video. But what did everybody expect!? The canada cup was made to prove the supremecy of canadian hockey. And it has always been unfair to europeans.Referees,travelling,hotel harrashments and the shameful trophy-incident with the russians,to mention a few occasions.
tasankoporkkana 1 year ago
haha, Gretzky and Lemeiux diving all over the ice.
I was 10 back then and watched those games, but don't remember this happening. Good compilation.
Everybody wants to dive as long as referees are ok with it.
sergeontheloose 1 year ago
What an honor it must have been for Canada to win under this circumstances. :S
Tobbx87 1 year ago
@BillieBobSmith Ya, just canadians, thats what i said too.
jaromT 1 year ago