Who does KJS Worship?

[gapdweller]

I love the Bishop.

[Bergkristall]

This KJS woman will burn in hell. She is a false prophetess, a heretic, a wolve in sheeps clothing, a witch.

[corpuschristi15]

This is fullish, this woman is a SAINT!

[padreallenp]

It's worth asking, who will ++KJS worship this Easter?

[doogal1234]

Since she is not one who upholds that Jesus is the only way to the Father, as He himself said, then it seems to depart from Christianity. If His death and resurrection was not necessary for people to go to the Father, then why did he have to die? Think about it

[MartinLuther105]

It is an abomination in the sight of God for women to hold ecclesiastical positions. Women have no business being priests, bishops, altar guild, deacons..etc. This is just one more thing that destroys the church of Christ. Allowing women to serve in these positions was only implemented in order to look accepting and progressive. May Christ forgive Protestants for separating, distorting and destroying His Holy Mother Church.

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

@MartinLuther105 Thank You, I agree 100%. I was Anglican for years but these Ultra-Liberal elements like KSJ drove me out of the Anglican Church to Rome. It is sad what actually goes on in the ECUSA (Homosexual weddings, Priests giving animals communion, ect.)

[MartinLuther105]

@Peugeot908HDIFAP I thank you for your comment. Yes it is sad what has happened to the Anglican church. I thankfully have always been a part of the Holy Mother Church, and i myself am saddened at the terrible things that have happened in my church as well, things involving the clergy, the blasphemous changes to the mass at V 2 and so forth. But i keep to the promise that Christ gave to his church that he would be with us always. take care and peace be to you.

[brycejacksoncvt]

@Peugeot908HDIFAP not all Episcopal parishes are that liberal . Its a parish to parish thing actually . Iv NEVER seen a priest give an animal communion but St Francis did preach to the animals as much as the humans .. I believe they (and us ) will all be together in heaven .. however , there is no NEED for them to take Communion as they don't have the stain of original sin anyway .

[fabmd8]

@MartinLuther105 Oh, pooh. You have got to be male. Destroys the church of Christ? Why don't use listen to what she has to say instead of worrying which parts she has under the robe. Good grief.

[MartinLuther105]

@fabmd8 Actually part of my family is Anglican and the women in my family both old and young hold the same views that i do about women in the clergy, so i think your argument that its a sexists male thing is really sad. And i have listened to what she has to say both on here and live and im not impressed nor is my family. i thank you for your opinion and i respect your right to express it but please dont be so quick to judge someone elses thoughts in the future when their views are different.

[brycejacksoncvt]

@MartinLuther105 As the leader of the Order of the Celtic Cross (made of mainly Anglican and RC members) I TOTALLY respect your view even if I dont completely agree with them . There would be NO Anglican Church without the RC and Iv always considered Catholics to be my brothers in Christ (all Christians are my brothers and sisters , but RC is a beautiful Church and as an Anglo-Catholic man , I feel a connection to them) . Peace to you and yours , stay true to your beliefs

[singapore7773]

why does she dress like a man? very strange indeed

[TheosChannel1]

How is Ganesha a "bloke"?

And when did she ever say she worships Ganesha?

[Thesterness]

Ah, nothing like spreading intolerance in the name of God.

This video deserves a big thumbs down.

[franktocarm]

First of all I am Catholic. Secondly, though I do not accept all that the Episcopal/Anglican church teaches, I believe they are in the same "river" as the rest of us. I used to be somewhat of a 'fundamentalist' and came to see that I was more concerned about being right than being good. I think Bishop Schori is a good person. I think the main target is that she is a woman in leadership in a church. I cannot believe that God witholds grace or ordination because of "plumbing" issues.

[usenetposts]

@franktocarm So you put what you feel like thinking on the matter as being more important than what St Paul actually taught. I hope you will make the best of this superior insight to Paul and start writing divinely inspired letters to all the Churches.

[pilot4321]

We who make our faith "the Christian tradition." Sounds like she doesn't think much of the faith that she "represents." She is clearly a heretic, but whatever, God will have the final say.

[PreachingJesusToAll]

The Woman is a HERETIC bound for Hell! She needs to repent!

[titusmountjoy]

You obviously don't understand the Incarnation or even Anglican theology for that matter.

[sweetgothicrevenge]

She's just preaching the truth, we all know that we should'nt take the bible literally. Does this mean that if I were an ignorant person to christ and followed lets say judaism and I die, will I go to hell? If you all think this, you have a right to have your opinion but I firmly believe we are all God's children.

[tmp617]

You have no grasp on Christian history. What you describe as adoptionism is nothing of the sort; your ignorance betrays you. Adoptionism was the idea that Christ somehow was human and then became divine. Bishop Jefferts comments simply refer to the Incarnation; Christ took on human flesh to raise humanity to the divine.

If you want to limit God, ok. You'll lose. God can do as God pleases & is not limited to any faith.And if you can't understand metaphor as deeper truth, you're just not human.

[GohModley]

To adhere to the reasonably applicable teachings of Jesus (let's just forget about his eunuch comment for a moment) is more important than a belief in his resurrection. Besides, Paul was a fucking nutcase preacher who pimped his new religion to meet the acceptability of the pagans he preached to. After he, didn't he say he had become all things to all people?

[usenetposts]

@GohModley Twist away, Bible hater.

[GohModley]

@usenetposts Nuh-uh, you do that thing which you done juss sed.

[nycepiphany]

Your video displays your fundamentalist ignorance and shows how you really exhibit disdain for those of us -Katherine Jefforts-Shori included - who worship God with heart AND mind.

You are small and petty and all I can say of your warped theology is - Jesus continues to weep!

[aelreddean]

A video produced by cowards who have fallen into the cult of certainty.

[James92802]

I'm not so sure how God will judge arrogance, but if I read the Lords Prayer correctly it will be my the same measure we judge others by.

I know you will all answer with a bunch of verses about God's wrath and judgment.

Only one answer for those that want to use scripture to condemn.

Harlots&stones or logs&eyes -

If you don't like the church, just leave.

[imafestizio10]

great video. shoulda added John 1:11-13 in there

11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[a] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

[mereroot]

you obviously don't understand the way in which the episcopal church functions. our reason allows us to interpret scripture in varying ways. to think that there is only one way to interpret a document is ludicrous and discounts your GOD GIVEN intelligence. the world we live in is extremely different from the world then, therefore a fluid interpretation of scripture is necessary. Katherine Jefferts Schori is wonderful.

[ThorleifMetalBrother]

A fluid interpretation of Scripture? Like the US Constitution was meant to be a "living document", that the Left interpret every which way, but what is written very plainly? This woman speaks heresy, but of course in Mt 24:11 "Then many false prophets will rise up, and deceive many."

I pray that she will turn from her ways, repent, and proclaim the Gospel with honesty. I fear her heart has already hardened, when I hear her anti-Biblical views. :(

[sweetgothicrevenge]

I agree, she's a great bishop.

[P355D413]

Are you all so blind? Can't you see that she is not a woman. An IT most likely but definitely not a woman. Her homosexual acceptance suits her personally just fine.

[GuardianofTwilight]

All those who defend this woman's heretical teachings will be judged along with her before Christ our God and King. You will wail and gnash your teeth when he pronounces his judgement upon you, but your screams will fall on deaf ears. Then, as the angels cast your festering corpse into the lake of fire you will know that you were wrong, a thousand thousand times you will know.

Repent while you can, and be saved.

[James92802]

LOL - you seem to be applying for the job of assistant on judgment day.

I'm glad to hear God has some help.

Yes I'm being sarcastic.

[boomac62]

I'm not an Episcopalian so perhaps i have no place here, but I think she is a breath of fresh air. Peace

1 Cor 10:31

[TheeBoyWonder]

Schori leads a church corrupted by apostacy. She and what remains of a once orthodox Episcopal Church have replaced the Gospel with an errant theology based upon an old gnoticism. At its core is the belief that Jesus is not the way, the truth, and the life. Many of us have already left the Episcopal Church but have remained committed to true Anglicanism.

[acalboi]

o.O wow. That seems to go against everything ive ever been taught by any episcopal priests/bishops ive come across, including PB Jefferts Schori at the consecration of the New Bishop of Texas. Jesus is not the way, the truth and the life? wow. I guess it seems that ive been taught wrong, cause, i swear, i was taught that Jesus was the way, the truth, and the life.

[FilBroon]

Very powerful - very moving - and whatever the rights and wrongs of your argument - very Pharisaic!

I see your argument but I see no grace in it.

[pipeup1]

This is quite unfair. 1. Her Grace's first point is very far from 8 century Adoptionism. 2.Her Grace did not say there were other Gods but that Gods action is not limited to that of Christ ie the Spirit.3. Her Grace does not deny the Resurrection - that would make her unChristian and her position as untenable. The whole thing is anti-intellectual and rediculous!!

[sfowatcher]

You had it coming! The moment you accepted women into priesthood you betrayed the Gospel of our Lord. Now you are accepting openly gay people too! You are still on time to repent and change what is wrong with Anglicanism. You are lossing people in the west and it's a matter of time before the orthodox Anglicans in Africa join the Catholic Church.

[aridiacoyannis]

I believe morality - i.e equality, fairness and truth - can be reached for without a belief system that demands faith; not reason, not scepticism, not even a well-lived life - just faith. An ancient system that would see all those who may never have even heard of your God - for instance hundreds of millions of rural Chinese and Indians, children born with impaired minds, or those raised by "atheists" - and thus cannot profess their faith, to an eternity of torture. 'All of mankind' you say.

[mrsgrout]

Hireling.....Remnant.....Sheep­.....Goats.....Teaching as precepts of God the inventions of men. Repent KJS and your followers before your last breath.

[aridiacoyannis]

what a crazy fundamentalist

[mrsgrout]

I am a crazy fundamentalist. Yes I believe the Bible is the inerant (?) Word of the God, That same God spoke and the earth, the heavens. He is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The one true God to whom all mankind is appointed once to die and then the judgement. ..... So if the Bible says anything about any topic, IT The Bible is the final authority. That "aridiacoyannis" is what I believe. ..... What do you believe, if I may ask???

Blessings, MrsGrout

[progressiveguy2007]

Peter, does the Ninth Commandment not apply to the so-called "orthodox"?

[anglicanbeachparty]

Yep.

[lmiddaugh]

Who are you?! I hate people like you!

[14751vanburen]

And Jesus said,

"I have other sheep who are not of this fold."

Who are YOU, videomakers, to contradict Jesus, whose ministry and mission extended beyond Israel, beyond the diaspora, and included in Gentiles, pagans, Roman oppressors, slaves and more.

In the feeding of 5,000 -- Twelve baskets full: all the humankind of the earth, metaphorically speaking, are accepted and fed by Jesus.

The wonderful grace of God shown through Jesus is not YOURS to limit. Thank God for that utter truth.

[14751vanburen]

from Paul's letter to Philippi:

Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied himself, taking on the form of a slave, being born in human likeness, and being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death - even death on a cross.

PB Jefferts Schori uses scripturally sound Kenotic Christology.

For these videomakers: read Luke 17:2.

[denbeau]

This is such crap. We don't know whether God said "I am the way," etc. All we know is that one of the two or more authors of John alleged that God said that. But the authors of John were in a jurisdictional dispute with the followers of Peter, and Thomas, and Mary, and they were trying to establish their turf. The Bible also says a lot about the many rooms, and what Jesus knows but cannot yet reveal. I have no problems with KJS's Christology - nor would most serious theologians.

[lorinswelk]

heheh....she's got a problem.

So do you.

But go ahead, bicker about doctrine that was written by men, you morons.

Pick your sides, kill each other, we'll all eat popcorn and watch.

Next murder, please, the more the merrier!

[MLBMateo]

What a witch-hunt! Clearly these are quotes taken out of context. And BTW, as an Anglican Priest, I can tell you, you don't know what Adoptionism is by what you interpreted from Dr. Schori's words. St. Paul said similar words when he said, "Christ took on human form". Does, that make St. Paul a heretic? In Acts St. Paul tells the Athenians at the Areopagus that they are faithful people. Does St. Paul contradict Christ? I'm not comparing +KJS and Paul, but this video is clearly misguided.

[singapore7773]

@MLBMateo why does she dress like a man?

[minckminck]

@MLBMateo Google Jefferts-Schori denies the divinity of Christ and you'll see some interesting evidence.

[perrypop]

+Katherine is a courageous Christian leader...

Well, Leader, yes. Courageous, possibly. Christian? Not so much.

[syzygy121]

How very sad. No doubt, people such as the person who made this video would have made a similar video about Jesus in his day. +Katherine is a courageous Christian leader, far more "godly" than those who call her names.

[ProfessorWKG]

The appeal to anti-Hindu bigotry was an especially distasteful element in this piece's attack on Bishop Katharine. My guess is that Cardinal Pould, the Grand Inquisitor, has little idea what Ganesh means to Hindus ... and likely doesn't care to learn. he's just an "idol" he can poke fun at.

[ProfessorWKG]

Yes, Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori is a theological liberal. Was this supposed to be some kind of secret? News Flash! MOST bishops in the "Western" provinces of the Anglican Communion (USA, England, Scotland, New Zealand, Canada) are, to various degrees, "liberals". Anglicanism has long rejected fundamentalism and the kind of petty heresy-hunting represented by this video. My sense is that the big problem is not with Bishop Katharine's theology but with her gender.

[hankpin]

Anglicanism seems screwed up with so many views...

I am Catholic, btw, so not really sure what is the suppose "orthodox" way of Anglicans

[calarch78]

I am not an Episcoplian, but I have heard and read Dr. Schori. You clearly have a bias against her and have chosen to interpret he words to suit that bias. You want a religion that does not make you uncomfortable or challenge your way of viewing God or the scriptures and you attack those who are not content with your complacency. She is no heretic.

[gbms86]

One of Anglicanism's great strengths is its tolerance of opposing viewpoints and diversity in faith. I disagree with your views, but don't post videos attacking them--I respect your beliefs. We are all parts of the Body of Christ and should show courtesy and respect to one another.

[901cleo]

PB Schori is a woman filled with God's compassion & love. These quotes are out of context; listen to her entire interview. Give me her wisdom, compassion, love, tolerance, & patience which is Christlike. Literalists, do you offer burnt offerings, kill disobedient sons, forgo pork & shellfish, wed your widowed brother's wife as is prescribed in the Hebrew scriptures? I'm so glad I'm an Episcopalian where God's gift of reason is as important as tradition & scripture.

[steampunk]

This video is like watching a drive-by shooting. Quoting out of context, knee-jerk theology, and a lack of charity; the whole lot I've come to expect from conservative Anglicans.

[obxemt]

That's right, because tolerance and diversity can only happen on limited agenda-driven terms; the whole lot I've come to expect from revisionist liberal Anglicans.

[BiblicalMax]

Read God's Third commandment.

No Graven Images.

Sin is sin.

Its only catholicism introduced a man made doctrine of bad sin , very bad sin not so bad sin.

Nonsense.

In the eyes of God sin is sin, no levels of it.

The Only sin that is unforgivable is to Grieve the Holy Spirit and we can debate about what that is.

[gladiator3543]

I am well aware of the commandments, I am also aware that they warn of idolatory, that's the point!  Honestly, do you think people can't tell the difference between God and a statue? And do you really think the collapse of family values and homosexual acts are as serious as someone who puts up a holy picture to help them to pray to God? Take a good look at what's destroying morality, it's not people praying with the help of sacred art.

[BiblicalMax]

Its people departing wholesale from the word of God as prophesised. This woman has departed from the word of God, in Timothy, paul tells us that women should be silent in church. Paul also tells us that Homosexuality is an abomination to God. In the Second commandment its says make no graven image of'anything'.

Now if you think you know when you can pick and choose scripture, when you can dismis one scripture but embrace another then you are a prideful man that usurps the word of God.

[gladiator3543]

I'm glad you feel able to judge my "pride." (Didn't Jesus say something about "do not judge..and didn't you say something about not picking and choosing scripture?). I notice you fail to address my point as the reason why people were wanred about (pre-christian) graven images. Faith also requuire intellect my friend, not simply rhyming off quotes. Jesus also told is there is a difference between hearing and understanding.

[BiblicalMax]

'Faith also requires intellect my friend'...

'Blessed are those who do have not seen but still believe'.

Fiath is not a choice of man, rational or not, It is in fact a gift of God.

Scripture also tells that God will use the foolish things to confound the wise. You remind me of the Pharisees or the Greeks arguing with Paul in the Market Place.

[gladiator3543]

You say "sin is sin" then then tell us something is an unforgiveable sin. You make no sense. You can quote commandments all you like, but if you don't understand what it means then your preaching is in vain. Jesus condenmed people such as the Pharisees who were experts on the letter of the law, but utterly ignorant of it's meaning and purpose.

[BiblicalMax]

Sin is Sin all of which are pardonable, but scripture tells us that there is one sin that is beyond pardon and that is the sin, grieving the Holy Spirit.

Not my words!

[lovehopeand]

Excuse me if I git this wrong but wasn't it the Catholics, after defeating Arians etc., that settles what the canonical books of the Bible should be, and also Catholics who translated the Jewish holy books into Latin? If you're going to moan about Catholic corruption of the Church, remember the Fathers were (nearly all) Catholic

btw do you follow all of the Law as set out in the Jewish bit of the Bible?

[BiblicalMax]

Godd message but the second commandment clearly states that we should make any graven image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or under the earth...

Drop the catholic images of Our Lord.

They are repugnant to God, as repugnant as a Homosexual Bishop, or a Female Bishop.

[gladiator3543]

What nonsense. Homosexual acts contradict the natural moral law, that's why they are sinful. Images are not sinful.  It is the worship of idols that is sinful. Catholics don't worship inmages, they worship God. If you think making an image is morally equivalent to breaking the natural moral law then you have no idea. What theology are you using?

[BiblicalMax]

'natural moral law,'??????

There is no natural moral law there is only God's law!

[BiblicalMax]

She claims to be a christian but she rejects the clear teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.

She rejects the infallible word of God.

I suggest she forms her own church and give up our Lords name.

To be a christian you have to die to self and give your all to Jesus, be obedient to his every word.

[lovehopeand]

I've always wondered, where the 4 gospels are inconsistent on a point, which one is revealed truth and which an abominable heresy?

[901cleo]

When I read these hateful condemnations and judgements, I know I am in the right church as an Episcopalian with Katherine as our Presiding Bishop.I also think other denominations should worry about cleaning up their own house instead of being so obsessed with ours.

[fairkaty]

I do not know how Schori can be removed from her ill gotten office as Presiding Bishop, but she needs to be removed Immediately before she damages any more churches or Bishops. Bishops are being sued by her direction, caos is ensuing the Episcopal Church in the USA. Whatever is felt in her presence is NOT the Holy Spirit. Be Very careful of who you follow, false prophets are everywhere.

[loveEFM]

I adore PB Katharine! When I am in her presence, I can feel the presence of the Holy Spirit. She is amazing. Each of you need to open your minds.

[jacero10]

Pope John Paul the Great essentially killed the liberal movement in the Catholic Church with the official closing of ordination to women.

There is a keen connection between WO and gay ordination and even the rejection of all prior teachings as "patriarchal."

Thus TEC died as a Christian body in 1976 when it ordained 6 women.

There is no coincidence that such open heresy comes from the first woman Presiding Bishop. Shame. Shame. Shame.

[TruthSeeker502]

She is not fit for the office that she holds, or even as a place among the true clergy of Christ. A wolf in Sheeps clothing.

[obxemt]

You couldn't be more correct.

[jacero10]

You could not be more wrong about WO and the Catholic Church. WO was once thought to be a real possibility in the CC until JPII put the squash on it. Now that the Tridentine Mass is back, there is no question which direction the Church is moving. The liberal freaks are getting the squeeze in the CC and become raging member of TEC like KJS.

[psymondo]

KJS is a heretic! Follow her and you will burn!

[jacero10]

KJS is clearly a heretic leading a couple million souls to eternal damnation.

[xadnder]

And she will be (or more correctly did since it is past Christmas) worshiping Christ this Christmas. And luckily, Jesus doesn't require us to accept his praises for him to receive them. Nor is anyone qualified, but moreover horribly wrong, to claim that someone's praise to their God is misdirected or wrong.

[xadnder]

the interpretations of the Presiding Bishop have been interpreted so closed mindedly that I almost expect the creator of this video to have been looking for ways to discredit her before she said these things. For instance, the second quote, another line of thinking would reply "does not God move among and work among those that do not worship him?" I think we would be horribly wrong to thing that God only has impact among his followers. And I believe the Bishop would agree.

[timpage54]

She's great. How great that there is still a thinking Episcopalian out there.

[lori4dogs]

This kind of "theology" is the result of a church that has clearly lost its theological moorings. If universalism (which is the belief that most episcopalian clergy embrace) is true, why bother with church at all? I'd rather be a "do gooder" in some service organization.

[svsimon]

oh my, I have just watched a video made by an fundamentalist. Fundamentalism is dangerous, believing that texts, written A L O N G time ago should be interperated litterary is dangerous!

[jw630103]

if the people who believe she is a heretic are episcopalians i strongly suggest you leave,

i am a progressive episcopalian and i am not going to lie to you like some hav been,

if u cant adapt to the changing attitiudes of the church find somewhere else to go

btw, most of you right wingers hav taken her quotes out of context

[lori4dogs]

We haven't taken any of her heretical, un-biblical ideas "out of context". I attended an Episcopal seminary and what is being taught is universalism coupled with unitarianism. The only sound Episcopal seminary left is Trinity School for Ministry.

However, I agree we should leave and are leaving. The Episcopal Church will continue to shrink and shrink. Many Episcopal Churches have closed or are closing. So sad!

[stpaulphillip]

Great video. I'm not going too far when I say she is a heretic. Thanks for putting this video together.

[IntoTruth]

On one hand, it mocks her which I don't like to see. Yet, this video is out of Geoffrey Chaucer. The laity of the Episcopal Church need to ask themselves if this person's views are to be shoved down their throats especially when she departs from historical Christianity and what it teachs about Christ.

Can she blame "them" when the problem may have orginated with her own theology?