They are very different styles of game, even though they are technically the same genre. I played WoW and I felt that the community was nonexistent. this could have been because I started playing a lot later than the majority of users, but that shouldnt be the case. With Star Wars, i haven't experienced any problems that cant be explained by the fact that it has been out just over a month. In my opinion SWTOR is a better game, but that is because i prefer the way the quests are handed out.
as a mainly EVE player, i tottaly hated wow [and most of all theme park games] it gets repetitive fast, boring and it usually has really childish community. i dont think it will ever change. i am playing swtor since the early access and i still enjoy it very much. i do keep in mind, with all the gliches and bugs it has now, that it is a MONTH old game unlike wow. it will have a lot of fixes and add ons. wow had time to fix things, alot of time. people seem to forget that.
@SoraQuasar You seem to be forgetting something too. The logic of, "it can't be good on release" suggest players must pay the retail price, then support the game for a year for it to get good. Thats paying $225 so we can play a good game one year after buying it. It's not the MMO's communitys failure to except it, the devs failure for not realizing thats an unrealisitic and foolish expectation.
@Ospire It's just my intuition. I'm a Computer Science major and have a good feel for game qualities. I'm willing to bet that the ability delay and discontinuity will linger forever, unfixed. That's because it's an engine issue that can't be addressed.
@aggbala Don't get me wrong, I don't really like the Cataclysm raids. However, Raid Finder, Transmogrification, returning to the main continents of Azeroth, and a few other things make it REALLY fun for someone who like me who can't play hardcore anymore. I'd still say it's worth than Wrath of the Lich King, but the game is still sporting lots of goodies!
just based off the fact he said it doesnt have looking for dungeon im gana play swtor :D i miss old wow feel where you had to get people together and not just sit and spam borring dungeons with people you dont know yay
@itstehpwn I can understand that. There's definitely a sense of community when you do that. The issue is that you basically HAVE to spam general chat, and as a result general chat throughout every zone is flooded with LFG. If you're into that sort of thing, you'll love this!
I prefer how FFXI and BC WOW worked though personally.
I don't know if you can realy blame a modern game (even more so an MMO) for having bugs and glitches 16 days after its released. I'm not saying you shouldn't point them out, but odds are they will be fixed and patched and updated. It's really just a sign of the times.
Wow there are a lot of butthurt SWTOR players on here. I don't play either game, but goddamn I have never seen a group of people bitch about a critique as much as the SWTOR crowd does. Someone points out the negatives and drawbacks of a game you enjoy, so everyone decides to call him a 'fanboy' and cast off his opinions. The reviewers sounds very knowledgeable and I have yet to read a comment or see a video reply that counters anything he has said. Keep whining kids, no one is listening.
WoW was buggy when it launched. Nobody is pretending otherwise. But you cannot use a 6 year old example as an excuse for how buggy the game is today.
SWTOR is competing against WoW now. Not in 2004, now. It is a terribly optimized bug filled mess of a game. If they hadn't been forced to rush it out for Christmas by EA, and listened to honest feedback instead of people who pretended the game was perfect, it might have been playable instead of .5 second ability delay and terrible optimization.
@Uriksixteen Your response shows just how ignorant you are of MMO development. You know why you cna't compare a brand new MMO to one that's had years of updates and tweaking? Becuase MMOs are never released when they are done, that's why. MMOs are released when they are "playable". Because of the MMO model it's possible to release updates and patches constantly to fix things in the game. This lets dev release the game when they are confident that it will work on a large percentage of computers.
@Uriksixteen So that means that a game that is released is NEVER a finished game. You are comparing and incomplete product to one that is near the end of it's lifespan, and thus fairly complete.
Not gonna bother having a shit flinging contest with you because you'll obviously defend this game's horrendous gamebreaking flaws till your dying breath, so I'll just say this.
Whether you like it or not, this game is going to be compared to WoW Cataclysm. No matter how much you harp on about how buggy Vanilla WoW is, this will not change. And it doesn't compare to it, as WoW doesn't have terrible optimization and combat delay, which is the major issue with TOR.
I could go on and on about the numerous bugs that WoW had in it's first year that were all patched but I guess people who never played WoW since day one (or any other MMO for that matter) have no idea and will never get it. WoW has had 8 years of patches and streamlining. It has even had an engine rebuild. Comparing it to an MMO that just came out based on performance is silly.
I take it you've never played WoW since day one? Or any other MMO for that matter? All the issues SWTOR is having are issues every single MMO in history has had INCLUDING WoW. sinceyou haven't played WoW since day one you don't know about all the bugs with falling through the world, getting stuck, and the shader bugs that didn't let you look under water. Not to mention the massive lag in instances like MC and BWL. Or how about how the gate didn't open after killing Razorgore in BWL?
I take it you've never played WoW since day one? Or any other MMO for that matter? All the issues SWTOR is having are issues every single MMO in history has had INCLUDING WoW. sinceyou haven't played WoW since day one you don't know about all the bugs with falling through the world, getting stuck, and the shader bugs that didn't let you look under water. Not to mention the massive lag in instances like MC and BWL. Or how about how the gate didn't open after killing Razorgore in BWL?
But it's not that at all. It's a pure pro-WoW, anti-SWTOR talk. It is like going to Fox or MSNBC for your news: it is all biased and slanted to one side; highly partisan masquerading as objective.
Glad you like WoW jleack, and hope you enjoy staying there. Please be a little more honest about your videos though.
@Peace9A No, it is an overview. Story vs story, gameplay vs gameplay, features vs features. I'm not biased at all, I'm just stating my opinion as any other review does. If you're in love with SWTOR then you probably shouldn't watch this video. I'm on the side of the fence where expectations were shot down.
Politely, no, it is not an overview or comparison. You do not do the things in your reply. Your video is:
1. A handful of SWTOR positives
2. A long list of SWTOR negatives (most of the vid)
3. A brief WoW sales pitch at the end
You never talk about WoW's positives or negatives. You don't really compare the two games. You just decry SWTOR faults and say it should have been just as good as WoW is today.
It's an ok video, just with a definite partisan opinion. Not an overview.
Very good. You have stated the undeniably biggest flaws with the game. These are pretty much the reasons that force me to leave SWTOR.
I love Star Wars and i would have loved to be able to give a second chance for the game. Unfortunately the biggest issues are caused by the engine itself, therefore they will not be fixed.
However there are people who are blind to these issues, or atleast are in denial. Just ignore them, this vid deserves all the likes and none of the upvotes from the blind.
@Mandrax2011 I'm far from a WoW fanboy. I've quit WoW dozens of times. I've beaten over 40 games on the PS3, and plenty on the PS2 in addition to PSP and PC games. WoW is just the bar because it has such a high fun factor.
If you disagree with my opinion, feel free to argue your side, but just saying that I'm a WoW fanboy who hates SWTOR is a weak argument. I spent over 40 hours in SWTOR's beta and purchased the Collector's Edition.
@MrJohnnyBQuick I purchased the Collector's Edition of SWTOR and played it a LOT. Hell, it took up half of my Winter break. This video is just my opinion, just as any review or video you'll ever see is an opinion. Thank you by the way.
@friedlish It's an overview. Story vs story, setting vs setting, gameplay vs gameplay. I don't see what you're arguing. I mentioned three solid qualities that SWTOR does. You're being too defensive.
I wish SOMEONE would compare SWTOR to what WoW was like a few months after it's initial release (or at least Vanilla). WoW has had SEVEN YEARS to get things right. Of course it's going to be better (in some aspects) than SWTOR.
Why would it be a bad thing to occasionally feel as though you're in a single player game? That's one of the great things about SWTOR; you get both! You seem to be stating your own opinions as facts quite often in this video. An incredibly unwise thing to do in a review.
@friedlish That's the problem, you don't occasionally feel like you're playing a single-player game, you almost always do, or at least myself and my friends have. I like that they instanced the story mission areas, but not the main outdoor areas. I play on The Crucible Pits where there is almost always a queue and it feels barren most of the time.
Daoc is so much better than WoW in pretty much every regard, except the PvE. You don't see people compare daoc to WoW now do you? Daoc is over 10 years old btw.
Dude, some of these bugs have been in the game since early Beta. Whining and asserting that BioWare is going to fix them, when they haven't done a stinking thing about them in 11 months...
Just shut up. Your faith in BioWare fixing known bugs, bugs reported for 11 months of beta testing, is misplaced.
Remember, this is the Company that gave us the pile of dung called Dragon Age II.
@Draconisrex1 i couldnt agree more. Theyve actually made some things worse since beta. I played the TOR beta for a couple months and nothing important really got fixed. yes DA2 was the worst piece of shit I ever spent 50$ on.
It's only worth it the first time. You try and listen to this B-movie writing (and it's fairly sucky) on your second, third, fourth, etc. playthrough you'd stick a knife in your ear if you couldn't end up skipping as you've already heard it and they drag out forever.
And, yes, the writing AT TIMES, can be good. But mostly it's not. Mostly it's crappy writing by people who'd starve if they had to write books and stories for a living.
I find this game to be really good..other than the buggy spells in combat such as the Bouny hunters Grapple, and the constant blaster fire spell.. which sometimes do not go off..
I totally agree with most of your points. My major problems with SWTOR are those that cannot be easily fixed, such as the movement and combat fluency, whereas WOW has these two things perfectly. Although I am currently stuck dealing with more than 10 different bugs, and a clunky interface, these are things that can be fixed. However, it will be truly disappointing having to leave SWTOR over a poor game engine, considering the refreshing setting and story of SWTOR. @Foronisus the combat sucks >.>
@JaggedCheddar Only thing I could add is most bugs I actually enjoy seeing. I think the only bug that actually bothered me was falling through the balloon. Everything else is just lawl factor (invisible togruta companion for example).
@TheNdoki I don't consider the game's bugs a reason why I wouldn't recommend the game. All MMOs are buggy at launch, and its the core gameplay and features (or lack thereof) that make it hard to recommend.
@JaggedCheddar This has me worried as well. The small things that were given through feedback during beta weren't really touched, and the big things REALLY weren't.
@Foronisus i do love how one cannot voice there opinion without people like you crying over how great this game is i'm level 50 and yet i'm re-rolling for something to do. Valor rank almost 60 so plz shut up game is great but its a long way from mmo be it content combat idc wow had 7 yrs (I LOVE THIS EXCUSE COUNTERED WITH) how LONG did bioware have not includeing there beta???? how much they spend on voice acting NOT bug fixes that are comeing out idk NOW! great review ignore this fanboy.
jleack you really dont see the news on SWTOr site right?
Yes, there is in plan making the UI Interface better, i dont know what you dont like in the combat system really.I played WoW 6 years and everything is same.They make new expansion with new race,class,quests and mainly the game is same go fight do the quests reach level 85 and do instances and pvp.Not fun after you play 1-2 clases everything other is same.And in swtor each class has own story so it makes you play all classes.
@Foronisus I'm perfectly aware of the upcoming changes, but the fact of the matter is that the game has been out for almost a month now and is still the way it was in beta. How am I supposed to review the game based on changes that haven't even been made yet? Perhaps I'll re-review the game once it gets a few updates, but until then I feel the way I do with merit.
@jleack It was a good review, but comparing flaws in a month old game to ironed out issues in a 6 year old game is pretty unfair, but on the other hand the video is for people to decide which game to play now, so it works.
On the other hand, I can see your points with the combat, although I disagree. I remember after a week of playing ToR commenting to my friend about how nice the fighting looks, even basic attacks looks like movie lightsaber battle, as opposed to just auto-attacking.
This kind of reasoning really doesn't fly with me. It doesn't matter if WoW's launch was better, just as bad or a thousand times worse. SWTOR isn't competing with WoW of 6 years past, it is competing with WoW Today, and it just doesn't match up. You can't use the mistakes of the past to justify making even worse mistakes today.
@Uriksixteen Exactly. SWTOR had the advantage since it came out seven years after WoW, so it had quite a few more sources to learn from than Blizzard did.
@TheNdoki This is a modern comparison, but I think I was fair. I am planning to do a comparison of Vanilla WoW to SWTOR once SWTOR has a few months of patches.
@jleack I noticed this as well. I was in three beta waves ranging from July to November, and the game remained the same throughout. I know they made adjustments, but a LOT of feedback went unimplemented in launch.
fuk wow
IKILLANGELZ 2 weeks ago
They are very different styles of game, even though they are technically the same genre. I played WoW and I felt that the community was nonexistent. this could have been because I started playing a lot later than the majority of users, but that shouldnt be the case. With Star Wars, i haven't experienced any problems that cant be explained by the fact that it has been out just over a month. In my opinion SWTOR is a better game, but that is because i prefer the way the quests are handed out.
Henavich 3 weeks ago
as a mainly EVE player, i tottaly hated wow [and most of all theme park games] it gets repetitive fast, boring and it usually has really childish community. i dont think it will ever change. i am playing swtor since the early access and i still enjoy it very much. i do keep in mind, with all the gliches and bugs it has now, that it is a MONTH old game unlike wow. it will have a lot of fixes and add ons. wow had time to fix things, alot of time. people seem to forget that.
SoraQuasar 1 month ago
@SoraQuasar I'll be sitting here waiting. For now it has way too many issues to be in the same league as most other MMOs in 2012.
jleack 1 month ago
@SoraQuasar You seem to be forgetting something too. The logic of, "it can't be good on release" suggest players must pay the retail price, then support the game for a year for it to get good. Thats paying $225 so we can play a good game one year after buying it. It's not the MMO's communitys failure to except it, the devs failure for not realizing thats an unrealisitic and foolish expectation.
Unholyheaven 1 day ago
Stop fucking comparing to WoW. WoW is a copy of everquest, stop with the bs.
baskyn544 1 month ago
@baskyn544 WoW is also the most successful MMO today. People want to know which is better.
jleack 1 month ago 2
How does this guy get off thinking he knows anything about what is caused by the engine as opposed to any other of a number of things?
Ospire 1 month ago
@Ospire It's just my intuition. I'm a Computer Science major and have a good feel for game qualities. I'm willing to bet that the ability delay and discontinuity will linger forever, unfixed. That's because it's an engine issue that can't be addressed.
jleack 1 month ago
best mmo ever is wow vanilla/TBC. tbh u sound very positive about cata wow and that suprises me.
aggbala 1 month ago
@aggbala Don't get me wrong, I don't really like the Cataclysm raids. However, Raid Finder, Transmogrification, returning to the main continents of Azeroth, and a few other things make it REALLY fun for someone who like me who can't play hardcore anymore. I'd still say it's worth than Wrath of the Lich King, but the game is still sporting lots of goodies!
jleack 1 month ago
WOW SUCKS
Newway1975 1 month ago
@Newway1975 If you provide some reasons for why you hate WoW it'll go a long way.
jleack 1 month ago
i just hope they dont add a lfd system
itstehpwn 1 month ago
just based off the fact he said it doesnt have looking for dungeon im gana play swtor :D i miss old wow feel where you had to get people together and not just sit and spam borring dungeons with people you dont know yay
itstehpwn 1 month ago
i was so pumped when i heard it didnt have LFD system i love getting people together for places :D
itstehpwn 1 month ago
@itstehpwn I can understand that. There's definitely a sense of community when you do that. The issue is that you basically HAVE to spam general chat, and as a result general chat throughout every zone is flooded with LFG. If you're into that sort of thing, you'll love this!
I prefer how FFXI and BC WOW worked though personally.
jleack 1 month ago
@itstehpwn me 2! since wotlk/cata my friends list is like none compared to vanilla/TBC
aggbala 1 month ago
I love the way SWToR fanboys are raging over the guy's opinion. I totally agree with what he said and I can't fucking stand WoW.
USF 1 month ago
@USF People are being too defensive, but at least it makes fun discussion.
jleack 1 month ago
I don't know if you can realy blame a modern game (even more so an MMO) for having bugs and glitches 16 days after its released. I'm not saying you shouldn't point them out, but odds are they will be fixed and patched and updated. It's really just a sign of the times.
CrabCrow 1 month ago
Props to you for doing this, you are absolutely correct. I admire you though, the frenzied TORfanboys will be all over you.
bobba515 1 month ago
Wow there are a lot of butthurt SWTOR players on here. I don't play either game, but goddamn I have never seen a group of people bitch about a critique as much as the SWTOR crowd does. Someone points out the negatives and drawbacks of a game you enjoy, so everyone decides to call him a 'fanboy' and cast off his opinions. The reviewers sounds very knowledgeable and I have yet to read a comment or see a video reply that counters anything he has said. Keep whining kids, no one is listening.
SoundsOfAndromeda 1 month ago
Tip of the week; "Go back to wow!" isn't an argument.
mrdaym 1 month ago
WoW was buggy when it launched. Nobody is pretending otherwise. But you cannot use a 6 year old example as an excuse for how buggy the game is today.
SWTOR is competing against WoW now. Not in 2004, now. It is a terribly optimized bug filled mess of a game. If they hadn't been forced to rush it out for Christmas by EA, and listened to honest feedback instead of people who pretended the game was perfect, it might have been playable instead of .5 second ability delay and terrible optimization.
Uriksixteen 1 month ago
@Uriksixteen Your response shows just how ignorant you are of MMO development. You know why you cna't compare a brand new MMO to one that's had years of updates and tweaking? Becuase MMOs are never released when they are done, that's why. MMOs are released when they are "playable". Because of the MMO model it's possible to release updates and patches constantly to fix things in the game. This lets dev release the game when they are confident that it will work on a large percentage of computers.
datastreamer 1 month ago
@Uriksixteen So that means that a game that is released is NEVER a finished game. You are comparing and incomplete product to one that is near the end of it's lifespan, and thus fairly complete.
datastreamer 1 month ago
@datastreamer
Not gonna bother having a shit flinging contest with you because you'll obviously defend this game's horrendous gamebreaking flaws till your dying breath, so I'll just say this.
Whether you like it or not, this game is going to be compared to WoW Cataclysm. No matter how much you harp on about how buggy Vanilla WoW is, this will not change. And it doesn't compare to it, as WoW doesn't have terrible optimization and combat delay, which is the major issue with TOR.
Uriksixteen 1 month ago
Holy shit, the amount of butthurt from the biodrones is tremendous!
Bromirez 1 month ago
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Uriksixteen 1 month ago
PAYMENT IN KISSES
pielord4141 1 month ago
I could go on and on about the numerous bugs that WoW had in it's first year that were all patched but I guess people who never played WoW since day one (or any other MMO for that matter) have no idea and will never get it. WoW has had 8 years of patches and streamlining. It has even had an engine rebuild. Comparing it to an MMO that just came out based on performance is silly.
datastreamer 1 month ago
I take it you've never played WoW since day one? Or any other MMO for that matter? All the issues SWTOR is having are issues every single MMO in history has had INCLUDING WoW. sinceyou haven't played WoW since day one you don't know about all the bugs with falling through the world, getting stuck, and the shader bugs that didn't let you look under water. Not to mention the massive lag in instances like MC and BWL. Or how about how the gate didn't open after killing Razorgore in BWL?
datastreamer 1 month ago
@datastreamer
Holy shit, are you retarded?
ThorkellTheTall 1 month ago
@ThorkellTheTall which part is retarded?
datastreamer 1 month ago
I take it you've never played WoW since day one? Or any other MMO for that matter? All the issues SWTOR is having are issues every single MMO in history has had INCLUDING WoW. sinceyou haven't played WoW since day one you don't know about all the bugs with falling through the world, getting stuck, and the shader bugs that didn't let you look under water. Not to mention the massive lag in instances like MC and BWL. Or how about how the gate didn't open after killing Razorgore in BWL?
datastreamer 1 month ago
Great video.
Ripulintuoja 1 month ago
AND HERE COME THE BIO-DRONES
File65327 1 month ago
The video is named "SWTOR vs WoW: An Overview".
But it's not that at all. It's a pure pro-WoW, anti-SWTOR talk. It is like going to Fox or MSNBC for your news: it is all biased and slanted to one side; highly partisan masquerading as objective.
Glad you like WoW jleack, and hope you enjoy staying there. Please be a little more honest about your videos though.
Peace9A 1 month ago
@Peace9A lol no
liquidoleg 1 month ago
@Peace9A No, it is an overview. Story vs story, gameplay vs gameplay, features vs features. I'm not biased at all, I'm just stating my opinion as any other review does. If you're in love with SWTOR then you probably shouldn't watch this video. I'm on the side of the fence where expectations were shot down.
jleack 1 month ago
@jleack
Politely, no, it is not an overview or comparison. You do not do the things in your reply. Your video is:
1. A handful of SWTOR positives
2. A long list of SWTOR negatives (most of the vid)
3. A brief WoW sales pitch at the end
You never talk about WoW's positives or negatives. You don't really compare the two games. You just decry SWTOR faults and say it should have been just as good as WoW is today.
It's an ok video, just with a definite partisan opinion. Not an overview.
Peace9A 1 month ago
Very good. You have stated the undeniably biggest flaws with the game. These are pretty much the reasons that force me to leave SWTOR.
I love Star Wars and i would have loved to be able to give a second chance for the game. Unfortunately the biggest issues are caused by the engine itself, therefore they will not be fixed.
However there are people who are blind to these issues, or atleast are in denial. Just ignore them, this vid deserves all the likes and none of the upvotes from the blind.
Liikavarvas2 1 month ago
To save everyone 10 minutes watching this vid, I'll sum up.
WoW fanboy didn't like it.
Shock horror.
Nothing more to see. Move along.
Mandrax2011 1 month ago
@Mandrax2011
Thanks.
ActinideSeries 1 month ago
@Mandrax2011 I'm far from a WoW fanboy. I've quit WoW dozens of times. I've beaten over 40 games on the PS3, and plenty on the PS2 in addition to PSP and PC games. WoW is just the bar because it has such a high fun factor.
If you disagree with my opinion, feel free to argue your side, but just saying that I'm a WoW fanboy who hates SWTOR is a weak argument. I spent over 40 hours in SWTOR's beta and purchased the Collector's Edition.
jleack 1 month ago
The more I watch, the more I feel that this video should be called "Why I like WoW better than SWTOR". You've given it a very misleading title.
friedlish 1 month ago
@friedlish Just because he reached a conclusion you didn't like doesn't mean he didn't give both games a fair chance
MrJohnnyBQuick 1 month ago
@MrJohnnyBQuick I purchased the Collector's Edition of SWTOR and played it a LOT. Hell, it took up half of my Winter break. This video is just my opinion, just as any review or video you'll ever see is an opinion. Thank you by the way.
jleack 1 month ago
@friedlish It's an overview. Story vs story, setting vs setting, gameplay vs gameplay. I don't see what you're arguing. I mentioned three solid qualities that SWTOR does. You're being too defensive.
jleack 1 month ago
I wish SOMEONE would compare SWTOR to what WoW was like a few months after it's initial release (or at least Vanilla). WoW has had SEVEN YEARS to get things right. Of course it's going to be better (in some aspects) than SWTOR.
Ryuu2009 1 month ago
@Ryuu2009 That's a really good idea. I played WoW during its launch and would love to do something like that.
jleack 1 month ago
Why would it be a bad thing to occasionally feel as though you're in a single player game? That's one of the great things about SWTOR; you get both! You seem to be stating your own opinions as facts quite often in this video. An incredibly unwise thing to do in a review.
friedlish 1 month ago
@friedlish That's the problem, you don't occasionally feel like you're playing a single-player game, you almost always do, or at least myself and my friends have. I like that they instanced the story mission areas, but not the main outdoor areas. I play on The Crucible Pits where there is almost always a queue and it feels barren most of the time.
jleack 1 month ago
Daoc is so much better than WoW in pretty much every regard, except the PvE. You don't see people compare daoc to WoW now do you? Daoc is over 10 years old btw.
huldu 1 month ago
@huldu I don't think many people will agree with you, but I respect your opinion. DAoC definitely has better PvP.
jleack 1 month ago
WoW being more compelling to casual players is what drove me away. It stopped feeling like WoW when Cata was released.
Slomoshun09 1 month ago
It's not fucking clunky, you're a fucking idiot. Without the delay, it's just as good as WoW's.
Sarnius26 1 month ago
@Sarnius26 I disagree wholeheartedly, and calling me an effing idiot isn't a good way to argue that.
See the hundreds of SWTOR combat issue videos on YouTube for all the proof you need.
It might be fixed, but I'd put money on the game always feeling clunky like Warhammer Online's.
jleack 1 month ago
@jleack Hah retard, I'm lvl 50, I know what's up, stop chatting shit.
Sarnius26 1 month ago
Dude, some of these bugs have been in the game since early Beta. Whining and asserting that BioWare is going to fix them, when they haven't done a stinking thing about them in 11 months...
Just shut up. Your faith in BioWare fixing known bugs, bugs reported for 11 months of beta testing, is misplaced.
Remember, this is the Company that gave us the pile of dung called Dragon Age II.
Draconisrex1 1 month ago
@Draconisrex1 i couldnt agree more. Theyve actually made some things worse since beta. I played the TOR beta for a couple months and nothing important really got fixed. yes DA2 was the worst piece of shit I ever spent 50$ on.
enthused1286 1 month ago
@Draconisrex1 Precisely. I found no difference between any beta build and the official release other than the launch menu.
jleack 1 month ago
It's only worth it the first time. You try and listen to this B-movie writing (and it's fairly sucky) on your second, third, fourth, etc. playthrough you'd stick a knife in your ear if you couldn't end up skipping as you've already heard it and they drag out forever.
And, yes, the writing AT TIMES, can be good. But mostly it's not. Mostly it's crappy writing by people who'd starve if they had to write books and stories for a living.
Most over-hyped game of the decade.
Draconisrex1 1 month ago
@Draconisrex1 I think the cutscene flair will wear off relatively fast, revealing a game that isn't particularly competitive...
jleack 1 month ago
I find this game to be really good..other than the buggy spells in combat such as the Bouny hunters Grapple, and the constant blaster fire spell.. which sometimes do not go off..
LionOfMing 2 months ago
@LionOfMing I'm glad you like it. What background do you have? Do you usually play console single player RPGs? Or are you an MMO veteran?
jleack 1 month ago
I totally agree with most of your points. My major problems with SWTOR are those that cannot be easily fixed, such as the movement and combat fluency, whereas WOW has these two things perfectly. Although I am currently stuck dealing with more than 10 different bugs, and a clunky interface, these are things that can be fixed. However, it will be truly disappointing having to leave SWTOR over a poor game engine, considering the refreshing setting and story of SWTOR. @Foronisus the combat sucks >.>
JaggedCheddar 2 months ago
@JaggedCheddar Well said. I agree with everything you said.
jleack 2 months ago
@JaggedCheddar Only thing I could add is most bugs I actually enjoy seeing. I think the only bug that actually bothered me was falling through the balloon. Everything else is just lawl factor (invisible togruta companion for example).
TheNdoki 1 month ago
@TheNdoki I don't consider the game's bugs a reason why I wouldn't recommend the game. All MMOs are buggy at launch, and its the core gameplay and features (or lack thereof) that make it hard to recommend.
jleack 1 month ago
@JaggedCheddar This has me worried as well. The small things that were given through feedback during beta weren't really touched, and the big things REALLY weren't.
jleack 1 month ago
wrong again the game is out for 15 days not a month
Foronisus 2 months ago
@Foronisus i do love how one cannot voice there opinion without people like you crying over how great this game is i'm level 50 and yet i'm re-rolling for something to do. Valor rank almost 60 so plz shut up game is great but its a long way from mmo be it content combat idc wow had 7 yrs (I LOVE THIS EXCUSE COUNTERED WITH) how LONG did bioware have not includeing there beta???? how much they spend on voice acting NOT bug fixes that are comeing out idk NOW! great review ignore this fanboy.
joygasm1 2 months ago
jleack you really dont see the news on SWTOr site right?
Yes, there is in plan making the UI Interface better, i dont know what you dont like in the combat system really.I played WoW 6 years and everything is same.They make new expansion with new race,class,quests and mainly the game is same go fight do the quests reach level 85 and do instances and pvp.Not fun after you play 1-2 clases everything other is same.And in swtor each class has own story so it makes you play all classes.
Foronisus 2 months ago
@Foronisus I'm perfectly aware of the upcoming changes, but the fact of the matter is that the game has been out for almost a month now and is still the way it was in beta. How am I supposed to review the game based on changes that haven't even been made yet? Perhaps I'll re-review the game once it gets a few updates, but until then I feel the way I do with merit.
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@jleack It was a good review, but comparing flaws in a month old game to ironed out issues in a 6 year old game is pretty unfair, but on the other hand the video is for people to decide which game to play now, so it works.
On the other hand, I can see your points with the combat, although I disagree. I remember after a week of playing ToR commenting to my friend about how nice the fighting looks, even basic attacks looks like movie lightsaber battle, as opposed to just auto-attacking.
TheNdoki 1 month ago
@TheNdoki
This kind of reasoning really doesn't fly with me. It doesn't matter if WoW's launch was better, just as bad or a thousand times worse. SWTOR isn't competing with WoW of 6 years past, it is competing with WoW Today, and it just doesn't match up. You can't use the mistakes of the past to justify making even worse mistakes today.
Uriksixteen 1 month ago
@Uriksixteen Exactly. SWTOR had the advantage since it came out seven years after WoW, so it had quite a few more sources to learn from than Blizzard did.
jleack 1 month ago
@TheNdoki This is a modern comparison, but I think I was fair. I am planning to do a comparison of Vanilla WoW to SWTOR once SWTOR has a few months of patches.
jleack 1 month ago
@jleack I noticed this as well. I was in three beta waves ranging from July to November, and the game remained the same throughout. I know they made adjustments, but a LOT of feedback went unimplemented in launch.
jleack 1 month ago
Great to see you back, I have always loved your reviews and saw this even though I'm not interested in any of these games.
shayansyk 2 months ago
@shayansyk Thanks man! I really appreciate it.
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