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I know many Mormons, and they are mostly very likable, decent people. It's the church I hate because it poured millions of dollars into the campaign against gay marriage in California, voting against human rights for a class of people. Those ancient, old male leaders can't stand to imagine gay sex. Well, I would rather not think of those nasty old men in that way! It's none of your damned business to force your beliefs into law in another state. If I wanted to be LDS I had many opportunities!
All Marriage is precious and must be protected...two days ago was my beloved wifes birthday...although we are divorced as a result of the actions of minions of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, I still love her very much...
I call upon all Mormons to vote against sustaining all Church Leaders the next chance they can..If members of the Mormon Church vote against sustaining Church Leaders, it will deliver a message to The First Presidency that their Secret Doctrines must End Now!
@tacotravel, gay marriage is basically an excuse to sin, and the Mormon Church doesn't make excuses to sin. The definition of marriage must never change.
@expertstrategy Give me a break, you need to pull your head out of your ass and see the true bigotry we have in the Mormon Church. If you had any common sense you would know that the only reason why the LDS did this is because they can't stand the gays....
@JPRamon68, Mormons don't hate gay people, they hate the idea of gay marriage. Mormons are taught to love everybody. Any religious person would see that Gay marriage is an abomination, it isn't just Mormons who have this view, but all other churches have the same perspective.
@expertstrategy: "it isn't just Mormons who have this view, but all other churches have the same perspective."
-- It's really laughable to hear Mormons presume to speak for "all other churches". The three major US denominations that currently welcome marriage for same-sex couples were all three already ancient in this country at a time when Joseph Smith was sticking his face in his hat and trying to decide which friend's wife to screw next.
Mormons violated hundreds of churches with Prop 8.
@expertstrategy How can you choose an abusive church over your son and daughter--- many kids I know were disowned for being gay. Shame on that hateful church of OLD MEN! The only churches that discriminate against gay people are Fundamentalist ones--- Islamic, Baptist, Mormon, Catholic--- all of them run by a hateful hierarchy of OLD MEN and the stupid women who FEAR THEM! You think God is so petty as to reject gay people? If you don't want to be treated like a cult, quit being so ridiculous.
@sabymoon, yes, there are some Mormon families who disowned gay children, and I greatly dislike them for their actions. You shouldn't generalize a group of people, not only are you lying, but you are also bearing false witness. I think I know more about what we believe in than you do, so don't presume to tell us that we hate gay people, because we don't.
Our leaders are very wise and good people, probably wiser than you ever will be in your whole life.
@sabymoon "You think God is so petty as to reject gay people?" Well, he is in fact against homosexuality, but he isn't against the sinner. We're taught to love the sinner but hate the sin.
"If you don't want to be treated like a cult, quit being so ridiculous" Personally, we don't care what people think about us. You can treat us however way you wish, we're used to this anyway. What do you mean by "being so ridiculous"? Are you saying that we should change our religious beliefs?
@expertstrategy The first sin is to objectify the members of your human family. Mormons excuse their founder, philanderer and small time crook Joseph Smith. Now they want to ruin the happiness of others. Go ahead and believe your crackpot ideas, but keep your cult out of our laws. Go ahead and cast us into outer darkness, get your own planet.
I wish you would edit out the background noise. I find it very annoying. Also, I'd like to see the title of the video changed to reflect that this is a discussion about the movie.
After I was baptised at Temple Square I attended the Eagle Gate 8th Ward where I met and talked with over 100 Church members who were divorced and all told the same story of how the Mormon Church broke apart their marriage....the same stories over and over......Then within 4 years of my baptism, the Elder who baptised me had his marriage broken apart by the Mormon Church......Later my own marriage was destroyed by the Mormon Church, the same smear campaigns from the Relief Society, etc...So Sad!
It's interesting that Mormons are blamed for what is nothing more than another gay marriage legislative failure. Is it the Church, or is it the fact that in state after state after state, gay marriage is defeated and it's the people of America who don't want gay marriage.
The woman behind this says we need to get back to what this country was founded on and yet those same principles are the ones that would not support gay marriage then or now. America was founded on Judeo-Christian values
The Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints spends massive amounts of Tithing Revenue to break apart marriages and families in the 3rd world....The Mormon Church also spends money to influence elections in small 3rd world countries in order to promote the Churches agenda and to promote divorce.....
The Mormon Church uses Divorce and the destruction of families as a way to "perfect the saints" by separating Mormon wives from their non-member husbands....causing a trail of tears!
@tacotravel this is such false proclamations about tithing being used to break up marriages and families in 3rd world countries. I have been a member of the LDS church all my life and have been involved with leadership positions in the church and this has never been done. It is a fact that we have helped many nations who struggle economically without fanfare or recognition. We promote family values. You need to stop with the lies.
@khalevon ...I type the Truth!...my marriage and many other marriages in my ward and Stake were broken apart by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints Secrect Doctrine of Divorce.......Divorce has always been done in the Mormon Church as my membership in the Church touches 3 decades...I am non-active now because of the Mormon Church sponsored break-up of my marriage....you are correct that the Mormon Church engages in covert operations world wide without fanfare...I will tell my story!
@khalevon .....well, in my experience, which may or may not be true for the Church as a whole...I remember two teen girls who became pregnant outside of marriage. The church offered to help them so long as they would allow the babies to be adopted by Mormon families. But, if the young women decided to allow anyone else to adopt the children the Church would have nothing to do with them. If that is not an attempt to control a family rather than support a family, I don't know what it is.
@williamVMI ....Does the Chruch of Jesus Christ have to provide proof of its claims?....When the Mormon Church is breaking apart marriages and families and promoting divorce around the world, does it have to provide proof?..When the Relief Society is launching smear campaigns against husbands in order to promote divorce, does it have to provide proof?....When psycologists at LDS Family services are teaching the relief society how to break down the bonds between couples, does it provide proof?
At its core the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is an organization involved in covert action and Black Ops throughout the world.....The involvement in Prop 8 is only part of the the Covert Action the Mormon Church engages in throughout the world.....
The Mormon Church works to break apart families and promote Divorce world wide....Divorce is the Mormon Church way of conducting "Religious and Spiritual Eugenics".....The Mormon Church seeks the perfection of Jesus Christ via Divorce!
So, my question is this...What kind of message is this movie trying to convey? It wasn't a church that voted for the proposition but individuals. There were no guns pointed to anybodys head. If they have a real problem with it then they don't HAVE to vote for it. Does this mean that we should all ban together and attack and belittle a church based on the votes of individuals? Our system obviously allows this and yet the finger points towards a church, a religion. It doesn't suprise me.
So, my question is this...What kind of message is this movie trying to convey? It wasn't a church that voted for the proposition but individuals. There were no guns pointed to anybodys head. If they have a real problem with it then they don't HAVE to vote for it. Does this mean that we should all ban together and attack and belittle a church based on the votes of individuals? Our system obviously allows this and yet the finger points towards a church, a religion. It doesn't suprise me.
So, my question is this...What kind of message is this movie trying to convey? It wasn't a church that voted for the proposition but individuals. There were no guns pointed to anybodys head. If they have a real problem with it then they don't HAVE to vote for it. Does this mean that we should all ban together and attack and belittle a church based on the votes of individuals? Our system obviously allows this and yet the finger points towards a church, a religion. It doesn't suprise me.
@wangster140 its about how the mormon church invested millions of dollars to brainwash other people into discriminating other human beings when they could feed the whole world with that money...
@JazBlogShow You are just assuming that. Also, you don't think that other religions waste the money that is given to them? The Catholic church makes millions and yet world hunger still is evdient today. Hmmm....
@wangster140 how am i assuming that if they had tons of running ads on tv. omg. dont be retarded. And YES I DO think that other religions waste the money, im against ANY religion.
@JazBlogShow Of coarse they use money for advertisments. How are they going to spread the word? Also, how do expect them to pay for the advertisments? With peanuts? You're funny.
@wangster140 you do realize that you dont make any sense, right? Your argument was that I was assuming that they spend money against gay people's rights and so I backed up MY argument with what I just said. Dont talk to me if you dont know how to debate and back up what ur saying. You make me wonder if being brainwashed for so long actually causes braincells to die.
@wangster140 I don't need an organisation that tells ME how god is and what he/she says. I dont need anyone to tell me what I can and cannot do in order to be accepted by god, I dont need to seek gods approval by worshipping him in a holy building they call church. I dont need it and God doesnt need it either. It's GOD he/she doesnt need ANYTHING.
@JazBlogShow So, what made you believe that there is a God? The Bible or your imagination? The Bible happens to have certain teachings that you need t follow to be accepted by God.In it and those teachings are supoosed to have come from God through his prophets which wrote the Bible. You aren't really making much sense and I really think you need to calm down. Kay? ;)
@wangster140 of course the idea of god comes from my imagination... imagination is the doorway to intuition...intuition is gods way of communicating with us... so id rather follow my sources than strangers ive never met.
Words are merely utterances: noises that stand for feelings, thoughts, and experience. They are symbols. Signs. Insignias. They are not Truth. They are not the real thing.
@JazBlogShow@wangster140 its about how the mormon church invested millions of dollars to brainwash <---This is an assumption. You also think that you are correct no matter what the other person tells you apparently. You also seem to get defensive by throwing out random insults. Saying that I'm brainwashed and retarted without knowing me personally. You sure have built yourself up into a god. And by saying a random combination of words are more poetic then logical. I'm out peace!
@wangster140 it is brainwashing if you convince anyone that homosexuality is wrong or sinful simply because nature is nature... anyway, those poetic random words which are not logical to you (ironically to me they are) are from a book called conversations with god.
@wangster140: Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it isn't slimy and unethical. The Mormon Church, using front groups to hide its influence, proceeded to fund and organize a large campaign to strip a minority group of rights that had been determined by the California Supreme Court. The commercials and propaganda spread was fear-mongering, typical "gays will getcha kids" crap. Lies are far more effective at compelling people to vote than guns.
@nmratman42 We are all brainwashed in a way. Plus, in my opinion, the media is slightly more brainwahing and unethical then any religion I'm aware of. I know mormons and I can tell you something...Some are happy and content and others are not. They also all don't have the same opinions. Just like us. I guess that would mean that humans aren't so easy to brainwash after all. Be a bit more open minded and make the world a better place. :)
People fall in love. They commit their lives to each other. They don't need your blessing, nor Fundamentalist churches' blessing. They buy property together. They go into business and they raise children, pay taxes, etc. The government, real estate, etc., all have to get involved. Gay marriage will eventually become just part of boring, every day life. Stable relationships should be encouraged. Child molesting (my LDS friend Katie's husb.molested their kids, no help from the bishop) discouraged.
First off this is evil! This whole movie. It's against gods law to act on being gay. It's disgusting and a perversion to mankind. The creator of this film was truly influenced by the devil. I really hope sometime soon people will come to their seances because what is going to happen is these people will be damned. It's really sad and I pray for the world that all of you will repent and come unto god. for this is inexcusable before the judgment seat of our lord whom is a loving and just God
@DavidCGuitarGuru someone must have really done a number on you. God is loving and just? First, the leader (who has power of the Word, unlike you peons) says God's terrifying, frightening, asks for Abraham to do a human sacrifice, trashes Job to prove a point, acts like a brat- not at all like a Supreme Being. Then you have to grovel to get him not to stomp you! You were Taught ALL this crap. Now you're probably afraid I'm the Devil, scaring you. See what BS all this is? A closed thought loop.
I assume that because the truth regarding the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints involvement in Proposition 8 doesn't justifiably indict the church or its members, the producers of this film deemed it necessary to resort to erroneous information in order to manipulate public opinion. I, therefore, reiterate the words of the one who first said, Don't believe everything you see on TV.
@PLmoms I appreciate the interest and I hope it is sincere. I fear, however, you are only trying to bait me. I am correct in stating there is erroneous information so Ill go ahead and bite. In addition, I am interested in what you have to say. My hope is to open a mutually respective dialogue. ( I am going to have to post my comments in chunks due to limited space).
I did ask sincerely BTW. I haven't seen the movie, can't judge the movie for myself, but I certainly have read a lot about the Mormon church and Catholic church involvement in Prop 8.
@PLmoms The most blatant misinformation is the idea that church members faced potential excommunication unless they participated in the support of Proposition 8. Furthermore, terrorists are masterminds at manipulating public opinion by taking things Americans do and say out of context in an attempt to misrepresent them. I believe the same was done in the making of this movie.
I haven't seen the movie to know if there are exaggerations, but I knew of Mormon families who had significant "peer pressure" to support Prop 8. Their fellow church members would deliver the signs they were to post, and it was pretty clear they were watching each others houses. I don't know if not putting up the signs would have led to excommunication. But it does seem that Mormons who spoke their opinions openly faced excommunication. Examples are continued...
There are news articles as well, but I couldn't post the links here. It's easy enough to search "Mormon excommunication prop 8".
These are just some examples that are easy to find. I am sure not everyone faced excommunication. But there certainly seemed to be a lot of "peer pressure" at the least.
@PLmoms The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints exercised their democratic right, along with other denominations and organizations, which, unfortunately, has led to an anti-Mormon movement. An attempt to silence a group of individuals because of their beliefs is un-American and unconstitutional. Everyones voice has the right to be heard, including those who support a genderless definition of marriage, without fear of retribution.
I agree that everyone has the right to voice their opinion and be heard. I am not offended by people who think I should not be married (I am from legal months in CA). What I stand up against is other people who want to force me or people like me to LIVE by their beliefs and not our own.
It wasn't the statement of believing marriage to be between a man and a woman by the Mormon church (any others) that upset people. It was the ACTIONS to make sure we live by their beliefs.
I just want to say that I'm a Latter Day Saint and I love all people! No matter their sexual preference. But just like you have a right to fight for what you believe in, I have a right to fight for what I believe in. That's true equality!
Being Mormon, I didn't support H8. Religious org (or any of the other groups that supported H8 such as the Catholic Church, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, Eastern Orthodox Church, Evangelical Christians, American Family Association, Focus on the Family & the National Org. for Marriage) should not be able to donate money to political org. We also shouldn't hate a whole group based off any other idea. Just like hating gays isn't right, it isn't right to hate someone due to their religion.
I hate them. I thought america was based on freedom. Why do we have to have religion rule our government. I've yelled at so many kids at my school and always question the nuns. One sick girl from my class compared it to marrying your dog. I'm not gay myself but some members of my family are. I hate this damn proposition. I though they said to love one another? Turns out they're a buntch of hypocritical fools.
The day this bill passed, I kicked the shit out of this hardcore religious kid at my school who offended, threatened and harassed me when it was possible to get same sex marriages. The day it passed, oh buddy he got fucked up bad, lets see. broken jaw, 4 teeth missing, broken arm, 3 broken ribs and facial reconstruction
kid got what he deserved for putting me through emotional harm so i gave him some physical harm.
Great thing was is i didnt get charged, he just left the state completely
Four years after he baptised me at Temple Square, the Elder who baptised me had his own Marriage destroyed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints...The Secret Divorce Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is Real!
Only a very few elite members, ie Church Leaders, will be allowed to be married...The Mormon Church understands how people operate in groups...they have created a Divorce Assembly line and their own "Plausible deniability"
@teddysmue ....I am telling my real life experiences inside the Church of Jeus Christ of Latterday Saints, how the church broke apart my marriage and many others....you "Dismiss" me and my experiences, that is vintage Mormon reaction to anyone who tells their story...The Mormon Church "Dismisses" anyone who tells the Truth about the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce!
Please, I beg you, don't turn against this church, these are all lies boosted buy poplar belief, from what I am seeing in these comments. Please, it is not true. respond with hatred and "You're just another Mormon involved in this conspiracy, your comment is invalid!". I have not time to give you a complete list about 5 pages long about how wrong these claims are. Please...
@CaliforniaWhat Our Constitution does value to votes of the majority - but the majority was NEVER supposed to vote on the RIGHTS of the minority - Democracy has two parts - both equal - majority rule AND minority protection - maybe you should read the Constitution
@CaliforniaWhat You're hilarious! Being a citizen of this country and having your rights taken away would cause anyone to feel, as you put it, "anti0American"
You're right about one thing! We HATE free speech. During our meeting last night, (we meet at an antique shop in the West Village) after we had fruit salad and analingus, our leader Perez Hilton said freedom of speech was awful. Since we dislike democracy, we simply agreed. We're starting a proposition to get rid of it. Perez Bless you!
Whatever your position, hearing and seeing the truth of the LDS church's involvement in this issue debunks the lies they told the media. Everyone should see it.
As a Mormon man with two gay brothers and a gay son, I trust this film will be shown in every major city in America. Tithing stopped the day I was told to "get behind the passing of H8."
I just thought of something rather funny. A preacher can tell just by looking when its two guys or two chicks or a mixed race couple trying to marry. But those damned atheists, there's no visual cues for them! They could just mosey on in and pretend to be [insert religion] just to keep up appearances til the ceremony is over with. Or worse, it could be a dirty inter-faith union! There's no "integrity of marriage" act for that yet, maybe churchies should lobby for one and call it "prop 9." =P
@irvinwindes kudos Irvin.....My absolute best friend/cousin from birth on was a devout Mormon. As such the Mormon Church greatly influenced my life in a very positive way and tranformed the way I raised my family....on my perceived principal of love as I saw in the Mormon Church. Then, I felt really let down by the effort to restrict the rights of fellow human beings. Human beings who are all the same and deserve to create families according to the principle of love.
All the Mormons do is break apart peoples marriages...the Mormons dont want any person to be married....The Mormons preach Divorce and try to break up families
Its because you do not want to believe what is front of you....The Mormons only want a very few "elite" members to be married or have children.....the rest of their agenda is to break apart or prevent any Marriage, including gay marriage...but the Mormons mission is to break apart most marriages in their Church, as well as, to break apart every marriage of non-members.....the greatest threat to marriages and families in the world is in fact, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...Amen
I'm sorry you're under that impression but it's simply not true. Is the LDS church opposed to gay marriage, (and polygamy for that matter)? Yes. Is it opposed to traditional marriage, be it members of their church or any other? No. If you don't believe me, ask any Mormon you know. The church is very family orientated, so it wouldn't make sense for them to try to break apart most marriages in their own Church as you say.
I appreciate your position, however, you are so naive....my own Marriage was broken up by Mormons in two states, who manipulated my wife into divorcing me...there is a Public Mormon Church which puts out propaganda and a "Body of Lies" then underneath is a dark organization that operates quietly, to destroy all Marriage, both Gay and Straight, save a few marriages of its "elite" temple members....God Bless Gay Americans who have the courage to stand up to the Mormon Church!
The Mormon Church has over 180 years experience in manipulating human beings....and generating disinformation...it could be said they use the same techniques as religious cults, but at a vast scale.....the Mormons deploy their Relief Society and their LDS Family Serivces to break up marriages among their own members.....of course with Prop 8, the Mormons deploy finances to manipulate the California elections....like a miniture intelligence agency they disinform and manipulate
@tacotravel all I can say is that you are being deceived. You, and anyone who agrees with you. What you are saying simply isn't true. It doesn't happen! None of what you are saying is true! I've been in the Elders quorum for a long time, my wife has been in the relief society for a long time, and what you're saying is a lie...plain and simple.
@scottiep03001 ...Thank You for comment...May the God of Abraham, the God of Jacob, and the God of Issac, protect your Marriage and your Family, from the Secret Divorce Doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints..
Scottie, I think you already know that I speak the truth, and my experiences are real, otherwise you would ignore my comments.....my membership in the Church touches more than Three decades, I was baptised at Temple Square, many years I was member of Eagle Gate Stake
The relief society and elders quorum decide which marriages should be broken apart, and which should be allowed...the relief society drafts lists of reasons why a husband is "unrighteous or unworthy" for the sister to be married to him.....they separate the sister from the husband, and make her dependant on the church....the Bishop and Stake President send the sister to LDS Family Services which tells her to divorce her husband, so she can have a "righteous" husband later in the afterlife
I've never heard of what you describe happening to anyone I know. I do know people who've gotten divorced obviosly, but it was always because of one spouse or the other making bad choices such as porn addiction or infidelity.
LDS Family services is designed to ensure that married couples are separated forever....LDS Psychologists implement techniques to ensure that married couples are kept separated, and ultimately divorced, one example is LDS Psycologists have the relief society collect and destroy all pictures of a wife and husband together, and take all photos of a sisters husband from her...this to erase any memory of the husband in the sister....To this day my wife has no picture of me to remember our Love
"Porn" is at the top of the hit parade of smear tactics that the relief society and Mormon Psychologists use to break apart marriages...."Porn" illicits a visceral response in people and the courts.....it is a popular reason the Mormons use to pressure sisters to divorce their husbands....but over use of video games. or excessive time on the computer are also used to prove a Church member is "not worthy"....and to justify the Divorce assembly line being operated by the First Presidency
Thank You!......You are correct about LDS Family Services violating professional ethics.....in my own Divorce Case, Mormon Church members filed affidavits which clearly documented the actions of LDS Family Services in ensuring my Divorce..
LDS Family Services also teaches the Relief Society sisters how to break down bonds between married couples to ensure the marriage ends in Divorce...in the case with my wife and I, they took all the pictures she had of us and me, and destroyed them...
I'm sorry you refuse to see the abuse in the mormon church. Google lds family services kidnapping - the parents' stories are out there and there are legal battles going on right now because of lds family services abusing people for the sake of keeping church membership numbers up and keeping up appearances.
@scottiep03001 ...It is very common for members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints to use Sarcasm against those who tell their experiences about the Church.....sarcasm, smearing those who disagree with them, etc...are vintage techniques the Mormon Church uses to cause harm to marriages and families....My experiences with LDS Family Services are real...the destruction of my Marriage by the Mormon Church is real....the pain and emotional anguish is real!
@tacotravel Im very sorry to hear about your trials. I have been a member of the church for almost as long as you have. 1st off, Ive never heard of any baptism in temple square, so if thats true, very remarkable. Second, as someone who was not married when I had my first son, the church was very supportive of us and encouraged us to get married. We were married 6 weeks later at our ward building. Seems rather odd behavior for an organization trying to destroy marriage.
@djbeatz87 ...Perhaps you should consider well, what I type, my membership in the Church touches over 3 decades....and yes, I am old enough to be baptised at Temple Square, south side of the the Tabernacle...many years ago..
I offer 100 prayers for the protection of your marriage from the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce..The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints only wants perfect marriages and families, and the Mormon Church is pursuing a world wide Religious Eugenics for perfection!
@tacotravel My church membership touches close to 3 decades myself. Thank you for your prayers, although no protection is needed from the church. Again, the church actually encouraged my wife and I to get married and even paid for our marriage license, and my bishop performed the civil ceremony, Again, Im sorry for the loss of your family. The only instances I have seen where the church has stepped in and worked to remove family members from a home, was in cases of continuing abuse despite help.
Abuse being physical, sexual, or drug abuse. And in every case I have seen, the church offers help and counseling to keep the family together first. If help is refused or is not working, then the church begins to help get the person out of the situation. In any domestic situation, the church does not offer any services without being asked for them or someone observes an abusive situation.
There is one thing that I do agree with you on. The church wants perfect families. Being a member for 30+ years, Im sure you've heard the term "perfecting the saints", which means that we do our best to morally and spiritually uplift eachother and strive torwards perfection and becoming more like Christ. In any calling I have ever held and every lesson I've had teaches us not to judge because we all sin. The church simply teaches to love everyone as Christ did, reguardless of their transgression
They encourage that we all strive torwards the temple, which gives us the opportunity to be sealed together for time and all eternity. So the goal is to keep families together forever, even beyond death. The family is valued as the Lords most sacred institution on Earth. I pray that you may one day make the changes needed in your life to have that eternal blessing. I love you my brother and pray for you and your family that you may one day move beyond your trials and progress in your life.
@djbeatz87 ....My Brother, I appreciate your prayers...Always remember the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints only views Perfect families as being Sacred.....The Mormon Church methodically destroys non-perfect families all over this earth....I have seen it....I have seen and felt the emotional carnage caused by the Mormon Church as it manipulates sisters to divorce and abandon their husbands....I have seen the use of the zero tolerance straight edge doctrine to promote divorce!
@djbeatz87.....Perfecting the Saints provides rationale and justification for the members of the Church to throw away Human beings, human feelings, human hearts, families, marriages........Perfecting the Saints means that the Mormon Church views others as non-perfect..
I fear for your marriage brother as I can already forsee how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints will break apart your marriage and promote your Divorce....You must look at the secrect macro-view of Church actions!
@djbeatz87 ....If you have attended Church in the United States you of all people know I speak the Truth.....The Mormon Church methodically destroys families and marriages by calling the frivolous things "abuse"..There is no end to the list, video games, working too many hours, posting on youtube, are all things that will be used to declare a husband unrighteous..I pray for your marriage brother as you are posting on youtube, and that alone, will cause your marriage to be targeted by the Church!
@djbeatz87 ....Prayers are needed to protect every marriage on this planet from the Secret Divorce Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints......
The term "abuse" is one of the tools the Mormon Church uses to smear husbands and to break apart non-perfect marriages and families....The word "abuse" illicits a visceral response in readers regardless of its truth......The Mormon Church calls just about anything abuse...posting on youtube would make a husband abusive for Mormons!
@tacotravel Sorry I'm having a hard time typing I'm laughing so hard. Yes, I have lived in The U.S. the entire duration of my membership, which is how I know you're NOT telling the truth. It's funny you mention the abuse part because most abusers consider what they do "frivolous", and thus justify continuing the behavior. Thats not church doctrine. I learned that in Psychology at a non-mormon school. This secret doctrine your making up, only exists in one place, In your head.
And by abuse I never said anything about internet or video games. Our bishop, Stake president, Relief Society president, and many ward members are on Facebook and Youtube, among other sites.When defining abuse, I said physical, sexual, or drug abuse. Again, help is offered first, and only when asked for. The church does not step in unless someone has asked for help in the situation. The only time they help to remove someone from a home is when the abuse is continued and theres no signs of change
Our church leaders know that I post on the internet, and do not deem it abusive. The only time the church may frown upon postings on the internet is when they are dishonest, speak against the church, or make false claims of its doctrine, much like you're doing now. At this point I'm sure the church did help your wife in divorcing you, but I can only imagine why. The church views ALL families as sacred, not just perfect ones. We are all human an thus none of us are perfect, not even the Prophet.
We all make mistakes. We all sin. Some more than others, but none of us are exempt from that.
Something else I learned in psychology is that most people, when disclosing a personal experience as reference or evidence of an event or finding, often do not inlcude all aspects of the story and usually only recount what is relevant to their position. I do not intend to insult you, only to correct the misguidance of the information you are giving.
@djbeatz87 ...I provide accurate, Truthful information about what the real Mormon Church does everyday....The individuals who broke my marriage, and many marriages in my ward/stake, were real people, who broke apart real marriages, that caused horrible emotional pain.There is a real licensed LDS Family Services Counselor who instructs the Relief Society how to break down bonds between husbands and wives..they told Sister Carol to gather all the pictures my wife had of she and I, and destroy them
@djbeatz87 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints puts out a public image that it views all marriages Sacred, However, Secretly, the Mormon Church works to break apart all marriages save marriages it deems "perfect".....The Mormon Church broke apart marriage, and thousands of other marriages world wide.....The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints is at war against all marriages save those marriages it deems perfect....Please report my posts to the Church Office Building, my Brother
@djbeatz87 ...Your post is not accurate....The Relief Society, and Ward/State officials proactively work to target non-perfect marriages(marriages that do not meet the Church Standards of perfection) for break up and Divorce....The Mormon Church proactively works to break separate couples just like Stake President William M. Bishop Scott P. High Priest Russell H., Stake Council member Kent S., Sister Carol S., Elders Quorum President Ben N., Relief Society Presidentcy Luisa N....The list goes on
@djbeatz87 ...The break up of my marriage by the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is not funny.....the emotional anguish and pain are real.....I type and give the Truth.......You are providing readers with an example of how the Mormon Chruch "mocks" and "laughs" at those individuals like me, who tell their story...
If you do not believe me, share your posts and my posts with your ward members, stake president, and bishop....Sadly, you will eventually learn I type the Truth
@tacotravel I have shared your posts, and I do not laugh to mock you. I only laugh simply because of your endless efforts to prove something that doesnt exist and does not happen. People may have broken up your marriage, even people within the church. But that does not mean that direction came from the church. All I learned by sharing your posts was that Perhaps you may have had corruption in the church in the places you lived. But it is NOT a doctrine of this church to preach divorce.
My post is accurate. The information I use is from the Leadership Handbook that the church gives to all who are in leadership positions to properly instruct them on what to do in certain circumstances. Theres no section titled "secret doctrine of divorce". Theres no teaching of breaking of the bonds of marriage. If you witnessed these things, you should have reported them, for if it really happened it is indeed corruption, if you werent abusing your family physically, sexually, or using drugs.
I have held various high leadership positions in the church, and can tell you that in my stewardship, I was never instructed to break apart a marriage, I was never instructed to encourage divorce. In every situation, the only instruction that was given was to help strengthen and unify a family, not break one up. Again I'm sorry for your troubles and sorrow my brother, but the church did not deem your marriage unworthy. According to doctrine, nobody on this earth is perfect. No marriage is.
That is why we work together to help stengthen the bonds of marriage and to make it possible for all families to live together forever in our Heavenly Fathers Presence. Im sorry that you are so convinced of this "secret doctrine" that does not exist. Again, I do not mock you. My heart goes out to you in your anguish and pain. I can only imagine the pain and suffering caused by the loss of your spouse. All I can say with a surety is that the church did not destroy your marriage. Individuals...
...within the church may have worked to seperate your marriage, but that is not church doctrine. I can only suggest that if these things truly happened to yourself and other members, that you inform church headquarters of what is going on in your area so that they may investigate and take proper action in removing those people from their positions. I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you in your quest to find truth, and that he will lead you to that truth, and manifest it unto you.
If you will hear the word of God through his holy spirit, like the sons of Mosiah did when they spoke against the Lords church and sought to destroy it, I know that the holy ghost will manifest the truth of these things to you. By the power of the holy ghost, ye may know the truth in all things, if you seek the answer with a sincere heart and contrite spirit. May the Lord be with you my brother in your lifes journey.
@djbeatz87 ...Thank you for this post...Thank you very much.....although my marriage has ended in Divorce...I pray for you and your family, May the God of Abraham, The God of Issac, and The God of Jacob Protect your marriage!...God Bless You Brother! Amen.
@djbeatz87 ...Thank You!....although I am a non-active member of the Church, the one and only thing motivating me to become active again is to speak out against what the Church leaders are doing.....to vote against sustaining the church leaders, to speak out out about how the Church of Jesus Christ is destroying families, promoting divorce, and breaking apart families across the world.......to tell my story, and the story of others who have been emotionally devastated by the Mormon Church..
@djbeatz87 ...The Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is "individuals" the Church leaders are "individuals" the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce was created by "individuals" the processes, books, chappels, straight edge zero tolerance theology, are all created by Mormon "individuals"....The entire infrastructure from chappels, materials, temples, theology, etc that are used to break apart marriages and families across the world were created and payed for by Mormon "individuals"...So Sad!
@djbeatz87 ..I was home teaching companion to Elders Quorum President Ben....he thought that I believed in the Ultra orthodox zero tolerance staight edge ideology of the Mormon Church...he would tell me about all the marriages that had been separated, we would visit the brothers and sisters on our home teaching..one day inside the Chappel at a meeting of ward leaders I told them what they were doing was wrong..and that I would report them..I did not know then, that the stake leaders involvement!
@djbeatz87 I did report these things, the problem is that the Stake President was the one approving of all these things....He had the the Stake and ward leaders send letters to the Sisters in the stake asking them to report to the stake/ward all the things their husbands did that the Sisters did not like....The Bishop Scott was involved in the break up of his own sisters marriage because her husband played video games too much..The Stake and Ward Leaders approved of all of the marriage breakups!
@djbeatz87 ...The problem with your approach to the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce is that the Church leaders to not need to say they are promoting divorce in order to promote divorce....The best anology I can give you is to view the secret docrine of divorce in the Mormon Church as a "code red" in the movie "A few Good Men".....Marines would engage in a code red agains other marines, however, no where in the Marine manual is there a "code red".....Mormon leaders very quietly promote Divorce!
@djbeatz87 ...Thank You for sharing my posts...to help others and to heal myself, I do not seek to prove that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints promotes Divorce and the break up of non-perfect marriages, while simultaneously claiming it
it supports the family........I only need to tell my story!
I believe that my telling my story on youtube is helping to heal me, and also will help protect marriages from the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce...Divorce is Doctrine in the Church..
wow....brother I would like to e-mail you further. I can promise you not all stakes are this way. There are as many stories of success in the church as there are those horrible break ups. I think you have found stakes that are not as close to the true doctrine as they should be. I cannot say I have ever experienced or known anyone who has experienced this in their own stakes. My heart truly goes out to you. E mail me at alejandro_flores3@msn.com. Thanks.
@scottiep03001 I'm just wondering how you were able to remove the comment. I accidentally posted a comment under someone else user name unknowingly and would like to have it removed. Thank you.
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I know many Mormons, and they are mostly very likable, decent people. It's the church I hate because it poured millions of dollars into the campaign against gay marriage in California, voting against human rights for a class of people. Those ancient, old male leaders can't stand to imagine gay sex. Well, I would rather not think of those nasty old men in that way! It's none of your damned business to force your beliefs into law in another state. If I wanted to be LDS I had many opportunities!
sabymoon 3 months ago
All Marriage is precious and must be protected...two days ago was my beloved wifes birthday...although we are divorced as a result of the actions of minions of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, I still love her very much...
I call upon all Mormons to vote against sustaining all Church Leaders the next chance they can..If members of the Mormon Church vote against sustaining Church Leaders, it will deliver a message to The First Presidency that their Secret Doctrines must End Now!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel, gay marriage is basically an excuse to sin, and the Mormon Church doesn't make excuses to sin. The definition of marriage must never change.
expertstrategy 11 months ago
@expertstrategy Give me a break, you need to pull your head out of your ass and see the true bigotry we have in the Mormon Church. If you had any common sense you would know that the only reason why the LDS did this is because they can't stand the gays....
JPRamon68 10 months ago
@JPRamon68, Mormons don't hate gay people, they hate the idea of gay marriage. Mormons are taught to love everybody. Any religious person would see that Gay marriage is an abomination, it isn't just Mormons who have this view, but all other churches have the same perspective.
expertstrategy 10 months ago
@expertstrategy: "it isn't just Mormons who have this view, but all other churches have the same perspective."
-- It's really laughable to hear Mormons presume to speak for "all other churches". The three major US denominations that currently welcome marriage for same-sex couples were all three already ancient in this country at a time when Joseph Smith was sticking his face in his hat and trying to decide which friend's wife to screw next.
Mormons violated hundreds of churches with Prop 8.
hanohanonacowboy 10 months ago 4
@expertstrategy How can you choose an abusive church over your son and daughter--- many kids I know were disowned for being gay. Shame on that hateful church of OLD MEN! The only churches that discriminate against gay people are Fundamentalist ones--- Islamic, Baptist, Mormon, Catholic--- all of them run by a hateful hierarchy of OLD MEN and the stupid women who FEAR THEM! You think God is so petty as to reject gay people? If you don't want to be treated like a cult, quit being so ridiculous.
sabymoon 4 months ago
@sabymoon, yes, there are some Mormon families who disowned gay children, and I greatly dislike them for their actions. You shouldn't generalize a group of people, not only are you lying, but you are also bearing false witness. I think I know more about what we believe in than you do, so don't presume to tell us that we hate gay people, because we don't.
Our leaders are very wise and good people, probably wiser than you ever will be in your whole life.
nuff said.
expertstrategy 4 months ago
@sabymoon "You think God is so petty as to reject gay people?" Well, he is in fact against homosexuality, but he isn't against the sinner. We're taught to love the sinner but hate the sin.
"If you don't want to be treated like a cult, quit being so ridiculous" Personally, we don't care what people think about us. You can treat us however way you wish, we're used to this anyway. What do you mean by "being so ridiculous"? Are you saying that we should change our religious beliefs?
expertstrategy 4 months ago
@expertstrategy The first sin is to objectify the members of your human family. Mormons excuse their founder, philanderer and small time crook Joseph Smith. Now they want to ruin the happiness of others. Go ahead and believe your crackpot ideas, but keep your cult out of our laws. Go ahead and cast us into outer darkness, get your own planet.
sabymoon 4 months ago
@sabymoon "but keep your cult out of our laws. Go ahead and cast us into outer darkness, get your own planet"
Well just like everyone else, we have a say on how this country should be run, and if you don't like that, then screw you.
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fanagot 1 year ago
fuck mormons. fuck church. fuck you american idiots
atzepeng2323 1 year ago 4
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Fuck YOU!
jaxxx84 1 year ago
@atzepeng2323 and fuck u bitch ...hahahah
CAKE8717 10 months ago
I wish you would edit out the background noise. I find it very annoying. Also, I'd like to see the title of the video changed to reflect that this is a discussion about the movie.
karinablacktie 1 year ago
After I was baptised at Temple Square I attended the Eagle Gate 8th Ward where I met and talked with over 100 Church members who were divorced and all told the same story of how the Mormon Church broke apart their marriage....the same stories over and over......Then within 4 years of my baptism, the Elder who baptised me had his marriage broken apart by the Mormon Church......Later my own marriage was destroyed by the Mormon Church, the same smear campaigns from the Relief Society, etc...So Sad!
tacotravel 1 year ago
It's interesting that Mormons are blamed for what is nothing more than another gay marriage legislative failure. Is it the Church, or is it the fact that in state after state after state, gay marriage is defeated and it's the people of America who don't want gay marriage.
The woman behind this says we need to get back to what this country was founded on and yet those same principles are the ones that would not support gay marriage then or now. America was founded on Judeo-Christian values
williamVMI 1 year ago
The WSJ has a great unbiased review of this film called "What's Wrong About '8: The Mormon Proposition'"
wtube5 1 year ago
The Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints spends massive amounts of Tithing Revenue to break apart marriages and families in the 3rd world....The Mormon Church also spends money to influence elections in small 3rd world countries in order to promote the Churches agenda and to promote divorce.....
The Mormon Church uses Divorce and the destruction of families as a way to "perfect the saints" by separating Mormon wives from their non-member husbands....causing a trail of tears!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel this is such false proclamations about tithing being used to break up marriages and families in 3rd world countries. I have been a member of the LDS church all my life and have been involved with leadership positions in the church and this has never been done. It is a fact that we have helped many nations who struggle economically without fanfare or recognition. We promote family values. You need to stop with the lies.
khalevon 1 year ago
@khalevon ...I type the Truth!...my marriage and many other marriages in my ward and Stake were broken apart by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints Secrect Doctrine of Divorce.......Divorce has always been done in the Mormon Church as my membership in the Church touches 3 decades...I am non-active now because of the Mormon Church sponsored break-up of my marriage....you are correct that the Mormon Church engages in covert operations world wide without fanfare...I will tell my story!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@khalevon .....well, in my experience, which may or may not be true for the Church as a whole...I remember two teen girls who became pregnant outside of marriage. The church offered to help them so long as they would allow the babies to be adopted by Mormon families. But, if the young women decided to allow anyone else to adopt the children the Church would have nothing to do with them. If that is not an attempt to control a family rather than support a family, I don't know what it is.
coulie46 1 year ago
@tacotravel I love these statements without an ounce of substantive proof.
williamVMI 1 year ago
@williamVMI ....Does the Chruch of Jesus Christ have to provide proof of its claims?....When the Mormon Church is breaking apart marriages and families and promoting divorce around the world, does it have to provide proof?..When the Relief Society is launching smear campaigns against husbands in order to promote divorce, does it have to provide proof?....When psycologists at LDS Family services are teaching the relief society how to break down the bonds between couples, does it provide proof?
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tacotravel 1 year ago
At its core the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is an organization involved in covert action and Black Ops throughout the world.....The involvement in Prop 8 is only part of the the Covert Action the Mormon Church engages in throughout the world.....
The Mormon Church works to break apart families and promote Divorce world wide....Divorce is the Mormon Church way of conducting "Religious and Spiritual Eugenics".....The Mormon Church seeks the perfection of Jesus Christ via Divorce!
tacotravel 1 year ago
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montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
I want to see this film in theaters, it is something people need to see.
8lindela 1 year ago
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albeacho 1 year ago
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So, my question is this...What kind of message is this movie trying to convey? It wasn't a church that voted for the proposition but individuals. There were no guns pointed to anybodys head. If they have a real problem with it then they don't HAVE to vote for it. Does this mean that we should all ban together and attack and belittle a church based on the votes of individuals? Our system obviously allows this and yet the finger points towards a church, a religion. It doesn't suprise me.
wangster140 1 year ago
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So, my question is this...What kind of message is this movie trying to convey? It wasn't a church that voted for the proposition but individuals. There were no guns pointed to anybodys head. If they have a real problem with it then they don't HAVE to vote for it. Does this mean that we should all ban together and attack and belittle a church based on the votes of individuals? Our system obviously allows this and yet the finger points towards a church, a religion. It doesn't suprise me.
wangster140 1 year ago
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wangster140 1 year ago
So, my question is this...What kind of message is this movie trying to convey? It wasn't a church that voted for the proposition but individuals. There were no guns pointed to anybodys head. If they have a real problem with it then they don't HAVE to vote for it. Does this mean that we should all ban together and attack and belittle a church based on the votes of individuals? Our system obviously allows this and yet the finger points towards a church, a religion. It doesn't suprise me.
wangster140 1 year ago 2
@wangster140 its about how the mormon church invested millions of dollars to brainwash other people into discriminating other human beings when they could feed the whole world with that money...
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
@JazBlogShow You are just assuming that. Also, you don't think that other religions waste the money that is given to them? The Catholic church makes millions and yet world hunger still is evdient today. Hmmm....
wangster140 1 year ago
@wangster140 how am i assuming that if they had tons of running ads on tv. omg. dont be retarded. And YES I DO think that other religions waste the money, im against ANY religion.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
@JazBlogShow Of coarse they use money for advertisments. How are they going to spread the word? Also, how do expect them to pay for the advertisments? With peanuts? You're funny.
wangster140 1 year ago
@wangster140 you do realize that you dont make any sense, right? Your argument was that I was assuming that they spend money against gay people's rights and so I backed up MY argument with what I just said. Dont talk to me if you dont know how to debate and back up what ur saying. You make me wonder if being brainwashed for so long actually causes braincells to die.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
@wangster140 I don't need an organisation that tells ME how god is and what he/she says. I dont need anyone to tell me what I can and cannot do in order to be accepted by god, I dont need to seek gods approval by worshipping him in a holy building they call church. I dont need it and God doesnt need it either. It's GOD he/she doesnt need ANYTHING.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
@JazBlogShow So, what made you believe that there is a God? The Bible or your imagination? The Bible happens to have certain teachings that you need t follow to be accepted by God.In it and those teachings are supoosed to have come from God through his prophets which wrote the Bible. You aren't really making much sense and I really think you need to calm down. Kay? ;)
wangster140 1 year ago
@wangster140 of course the idea of god comes from my imagination... imagination is the doorway to intuition...intuition is gods way of communicating with us... so id rather follow my sources than strangers ive never met.
Words are merely utterances: noises that stand for feelings, thoughts, and experience. They are symbols. Signs. Insignias. They are not Truth. They are not the real thing.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
@JazBlogShow @wangster140 its about how the mormon church invested millions of dollars to brainwash <---This is an assumption. You also think that you are correct no matter what the other person tells you apparently. You also seem to get defensive by throwing out random insults. Saying that I'm brainwashed and retarted without knowing me personally. You sure have built yourself up into a god. And by saying a random combination of words are more poetic then logical. I'm out peace!
wangster140 1 year ago
@wangster140 it is brainwashing if you convince anyone that homosexuality is wrong or sinful simply because nature is nature... anyway, those poetic random words which are not logical to you (ironically to me they are) are from a book called conversations with god.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago 2
@wangster140: Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it isn't slimy and unethical. The Mormon Church, using front groups to hide its influence, proceeded to fund and organize a large campaign to strip a minority group of rights that had been determined by the California Supreme Court. The commercials and propaganda spread was fear-mongering, typical "gays will getcha kids" crap. Lies are far more effective at compelling people to vote than guns.
nmratman42 1 year ago
@nmratman42 We are all brainwashed in a way. Plus, in my opinion, the media is slightly more brainwahing and unethical then any religion I'm aware of. I know mormons and I can tell you something...Some are happy and content and others are not. They also all don't have the same opinions. Just like us. I guess that would mean that humans aren't so easy to brainwash after all. Be a bit more open minded and make the world a better place. :)
wangster140 1 year ago
@wangster140 we are god... god is making the experience through you and me.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
Marriage is NOT a HUMAN RIGHT!
Holmstp 1 year ago
@Holmstp yeah it is because its a huge legal aspect, duh.
JazBlogShow 1 year ago
People fall in love. They commit their lives to each other. They don't need your blessing, nor Fundamentalist churches' blessing. They buy property together. They go into business and they raise children, pay taxes, etc. The government, real estate, etc., all have to get involved. Gay marriage will eventually become just part of boring, every day life. Stable relationships should be encouraged. Child molesting (my LDS friend Katie's husb.molested their kids, no help from the bishop) discouraged.
sabymoon 3 months ago
First off this is evil! This whole movie. It's against gods law to act on being gay. It's disgusting and a perversion to mankind. The creator of this film was truly influenced by the devil. I really hope sometime soon people will come to their seances because what is going to happen is these people will be damned. It's really sad and I pray for the world that all of you will repent and come unto god. for this is inexcusable before the judgment seat of our lord whom is a loving and just God
DavidCGuitarGuru 1 year ago
@DavidCGuitarGuru someone must have really done a number on you. God is loving and just? First, the leader (who has power of the Word, unlike you peons) says God's terrifying, frightening, asks for Abraham to do a human sacrifice, trashes Job to prove a point, acts like a brat- not at all like a Supreme Being. Then you have to grovel to get him not to stomp you! You were Taught ALL this crap. Now you're probably afraid I'm the Devil, scaring you. See what BS all this is? A closed thought loop.
sabymoon 3 months ago
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Burn all Gays!
fritzgarcia 1 year ago
@fritzgarcia
Thanks for showing Mormons are all bigots. People like you are why I left mormonism for good. That and the fact that Joseph Smith was a conman.
Svperstarr 1 year ago
I assume that because the truth regarding the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints involvement in Proposition 8 doesn't justifiably indict the church or its members, the producers of this film deemed it necessary to resort to erroneous information in order to manipulate public opinion. I, therefore, reiterate the words of the one who first said, Don't believe everything you see on TV.
thejermtheworm 1 year ago
@thejermtheworm
What erroneous information?
PLmoms 1 year ago
@PLmoms I appreciate the interest and I hope it is sincere. I fear, however, you are only trying to bait me. I am correct in stating there is erroneous information so Ill go ahead and bite. In addition, I am interested in what you have to say. My hope is to open a mutually respective dialogue. ( I am going to have to post my comments in chunks due to limited space).
thejermtheworm 1 year ago
@thejermtheworm
I did ask sincerely BTW. I haven't seen the movie, can't judge the movie for myself, but I certainly have read a lot about the Mormon church and Catholic church involvement in Prop 8.
PLmoms 1 year ago
@PLmoms The most blatant misinformation is the idea that church members faced potential excommunication unless they participated in the support of Proposition 8. Furthermore, terrorists are masterminds at manipulating public opinion by taking things Americans do and say out of context in an attempt to misrepresent them. I believe the same was done in the making of this movie.
thejermtheworm 1 year ago
@thejermtheworm
I haven't seen the movie to know if there are exaggerations, but I knew of Mormon families who had significant "peer pressure" to support Prop 8. Their fellow church members would deliver the signs they were to post, and it was pretty clear they were watching each others houses. I don't know if not putting up the signs would have led to excommunication. But it does seem that Mormons who spoke their opinions openly faced excommunication. Examples are continued...
PLmoms 1 year ago
@thejermtheworm
Check these You tube videos: watch?v=Zc0uzYXb998
watch?v=ubZQ5TgFRac&playnext_from=TL&videos=xC9HYtz6Iwg
There are news articles as well, but I couldn't post the links here. It's easy enough to search "Mormon excommunication prop 8".
These are just some examples that are easy to find. I am sure not everyone faced excommunication. But there certainly seemed to be a lot of "peer pressure" at the least.
PLmoms 1 year ago
@PLmoms The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints exercised their democratic right, along with other denominations and organizations, which, unfortunately, has led to an anti-Mormon movement. An attempt to silence a group of individuals because of their beliefs is un-American and unconstitutional. Everyones voice has the right to be heard, including those who support a genderless definition of marriage, without fear of retribution.
thejermtheworm 1 year ago
@thejermtheworm
I agree that everyone has the right to voice their opinion and be heard. I am not offended by people who think I should not be married (I am from legal months in CA). What I stand up against is other people who want to force me or people like me to LIVE by their beliefs and not our own.
It wasn't the statement of believing marriage to be between a man and a woman by the Mormon church (any others) that upset people. It was the ACTIONS to make sure we live by their beliefs.
PLmoms 1 year ago
I just want to say that I'm a Latter Day Saint and I love all people! No matter their sexual preference. But just like you have a right to fight for what you believe in, I have a right to fight for what I believe in. That's true equality!
1980Michae 1 year ago
"I uncovered the mormon involvement" FUCK YOU
TheLdsrules 1 year ago
Being Mormon, I didn't support H8. Religious org (or any of the other groups that supported H8 such as the Catholic Church, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, Eastern Orthodox Church, Evangelical Christians, American Family Association, Focus on the Family & the National Org. for Marriage) should not be able to donate money to political org. We also shouldn't hate a whole group based off any other idea. Just like hating gays isn't right, it isn't right to hate someone due to their religion.
truth489 1 year ago
Good to see this coming out. Yet another Mormon who had himself excommunicated over this disgrace posting.
Inferno41 1 year ago
I hate them. I thought america was based on freedom. Why do we have to have religion rule our government. I've yelled at so many kids at my school and always question the nuns. One sick girl from my class compared it to marrying your dog. I'm not gay myself but some members of my family are. I hate this damn proposition. I though they said to love one another? Turns out they're a buntch of hypocritical fools.
InsaneAlterEgo 1 year ago
The day this bill passed, I kicked the shit out of this hardcore religious kid at my school who offended, threatened and harassed me when it was possible to get same sex marriages. The day it passed, oh buddy he got fucked up bad, lets see. broken jaw, 4 teeth missing, broken arm, 3 broken ribs and facial reconstruction
kid got what he deserved for putting me through emotional harm so i gave him some physical harm.
Great thing was is i didnt get charged, he just left the state completely
BankOFganja 1 year ago
Four years after he baptised me at Temple Square, the Elder who baptised me had his own Marriage destroyed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints...The Secret Divorce Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is Real!
Only a very few elite members, ie Church Leaders, will be allowed to be married...The Mormon Church understands how people operate in groups...they have created a Divorce Assembly line and their own "Plausible deniability"
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel Do some better research and don't tell things you don't know of
teddysmue 1 year ago
@teddysmue ....I am telling my real life experiences inside the Church of Jeus Christ of Latterday Saints, how the church broke apart my marriage and many others....you "Dismiss" me and my experiences, that is vintage Mormon reaction to anyone who tells their story...The Mormon Church "Dismisses" anyone who tells the Truth about the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce!
tacotravel 1 year ago
Please, I beg you, don't turn against this church, these are all lies boosted buy poplar belief, from what I am seeing in these comments. Please, it is not true. respond with hatred and "You're just another Mormon involved in this conspiracy, your comment is invalid!". I have not time to give you a complete list about 5 pages long about how wrong these claims are. Please...
snapshotcrew 1 year ago
@CaliforniaWhat Our Constitution does value to votes of the majority - but the majority was NEVER supposed to vote on the RIGHTS of the minority - Democracy has two parts - both equal - majority rule AND minority protection - maybe you should read the Constitution
TheRoscommonmick 1 year ago
@CaliforniaWhat You're hilarious! Being a citizen of this country and having your rights taken away would cause anyone to feel, as you put it, "anti0American"
You're right about one thing! We HATE free speech. During our meeting last night, (we meet at an antique shop in the West Village) after we had fruit salad and analingus, our leader Perez Hilton said freedom of speech was awful. Since we dislike democracy, we simply agreed. We're starting a proposition to get rid of it. Perez Bless you!
z4rizzle 1 year ago
Was it all Utah mormon churches that raised the money? I know there is alot of mormon churches in California, too.
goshdangheck 1 year ago
Whatever your position, hearing and seeing the truth of the LDS church's involvement in this issue debunks the lies they told the media. Everyone should see it.
taroliw 2 years ago 2
As a Mormon man with two gay brothers and a gay son, I trust this film will be shown in every major city in America. Tithing stopped the day I was told to "get behind the passing of H8."
irvinwindes 2 years ago 24
@irvinwindes That is ok - the Lord only wants and accepts a willing tithe.
oc714cal 1 year ago
@irvinwindes
You seem like an intelligent, conflicted person.
Do you still - or have you ever - actually believed the Book of Mormon literaly?
If you weren't born in it (I'm assuming you were.), would you actually believe the crap Joseph Smith said and got away with?
Illiknight 1 year ago 2
@Illiknight hell yeah, why not
blackmamba54321 1 year ago
@irvinwindes whatever ya creep
blackmamba54321 1 year ago
I just thought of something rather funny. A preacher can tell just by looking when its two guys or two chicks or a mixed race couple trying to marry. But those damned atheists, there's no visual cues for them! They could just mosey on in and pretend to be [insert religion] just to keep up appearances til the ceremony is over with. Or worse, it could be a dirty inter-faith union! There's no "integrity of marriage" act for that yet, maybe churchies should lobby for one and call it "prop 9." =P
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
@irvinwindes kudos Irvin.....My absolute best friend/cousin from birth on was a devout Mormon. As such the Mormon Church greatly influenced my life in a very positive way and tranformed the way I raised my family....on my perceived principal of love as I saw in the Mormon Church. Then, I felt really let down by the effort to restrict the rights of fellow human beings. Human beings who are all the same and deserve to create families according to the principle of love.
coulie46 1 year ago
All the Mormons do is break apart peoples marriages...the Mormons dont want any person to be married....The Mormons preach Divorce and try to break up families
tacotravel 2 years ago
Funny, I'm a mormon but I was never taught that.
prestda1 2 years ago 2
Its because you do not want to believe what is front of you....The Mormons only want a very few "elite" members to be married or have children.....the rest of their agenda is to break apart or prevent any Marriage, including gay marriage...but the Mormons mission is to break apart most marriages in their Church, as well as, to break apart every marriage of non-members.....the greatest threat to marriages and families in the world is in fact, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...Amen
tacotravel 2 years ago
I'm sorry you're under that impression but it's simply not true. Is the LDS church opposed to gay marriage, (and polygamy for that matter)? Yes. Is it opposed to traditional marriage, be it members of their church or any other? No. If you don't believe me, ask any Mormon you know. The church is very family orientated, so it wouldn't make sense for them to try to break apart most marriages in their own Church as you say.
prestda1 2 years ago
I appreciate your position, however, you are so naive....my own Marriage was broken up by Mormons in two states, who manipulated my wife into divorcing me...there is a Public Mormon Church which puts out propaganda and a "Body of Lies" then underneath is a dark organization that operates quietly, to destroy all Marriage, both Gay and Straight, save a few marriages of its "elite" temple members....God Bless Gay Americans who have the courage to stand up to the Mormon Church!
tacotravel 2 years ago 3
I know its none of my business but if u don't mnd me askng...how did they manipulate your wife into divorcing u?
prestda1 2 years ago
The Mormon Church has over 180 years experience in manipulating human beings....and generating disinformation...it could be said they use the same techniques as religious cults, but at a vast scale.....the Mormons deploy their Relief Society and their LDS Family Serivces to break up marriages among their own members.....of course with Prop 8, the Mormons deploy finances to manipulate the California elections....like a miniture intelligence agency they disinform and manipulate
tacotravel 2 years ago 2
@tacotravel all I can say is that you are being deceived. You, and anyone who agrees with you. What you are saying simply isn't true. It doesn't happen! None of what you are saying is true! I've been in the Elders quorum for a long time, my wife has been in the relief society for a long time, and what you're saying is a lie...plain and simple.
scottiep03001 1 year ago
@scottiep03001 ...Thank You for comment...May the God of Abraham, the God of Jacob, and the God of Issac, protect your Marriage and your Family, from the Secret Divorce Doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints..
Scottie, I think you already know that I speak the truth, and my experiences are real, otherwise you would ignore my comments.....my membership in the Church touches more than Three decades, I was baptised at Temple Square, many years I was member of Eagle Gate Stake
tacotravel 1 year ago
The relief society and elders quorum decide which marriages should be broken apart, and which should be allowed...the relief society drafts lists of reasons why a husband is "unrighteous or unworthy" for the sister to be married to him.....they separate the sister from the husband, and make her dependant on the church....the Bishop and Stake President send the sister to LDS Family Services which tells her to divorce her husband, so she can have a "righteous" husband later in the afterlife
tacotravel 2 years ago
This happened to you?
prestda1 2 years ago
Yes
tacotravel 2 years ago
I've never heard of what you describe happening to anyone I know. I do know people who've gotten divorced obviosly, but it was always because of one spouse or the other making bad choices such as porn addiction or infidelity.
prestda1 2 years ago 3
LDS Family services is designed to ensure that married couples are separated forever....LDS Psychologists implement techniques to ensure that married couples are kept separated, and ultimately divorced, one example is LDS Psycologists have the relief society collect and destroy all pictures of a wife and husband together, and take all photos of a sisters husband from her...this to erase any memory of the husband in the sister....To this day my wife has no picture of me to remember our Love
tacotravel 2 years ago
"Porn" is at the top of the hit parade of smear tactics that the relief society and Mormon Psychologists use to break apart marriages...."Porn" illicits a visceral response in people and the courts.....it is a popular reason the Mormons use to pressure sisters to divorce their husbands....but over use of video games. or excessive time on the computer are also used to prove a Church member is "not worthy"....and to justify the Divorce assembly line being operated by the First Presidency
tacotravel 2 years ago
I'm so sorry you had to experience this!!
carlasue88 1 year ago
Thank You!......You are correct about LDS Family Services violating professional ethics.....in my own Divorce Case, Mormon Church members filed affidavits which clearly documented the actions of LDS Family Services in ensuring my Divorce..
LDS Family Services also teaches the Relief Society sisters how to break down bonds between married couples to ensure the marriage ends in Divorce...in the case with my wife and I, they took all the pictures she had of us and me, and destroyed them...
tacotravel 1 year ago
I'm sorry you refuse to see the abuse in the mormon church. Google lds family services kidnapping - the parents' stories are out there and there are legal battles going on right now because of lds family services abusing people for the sake of keeping church membership numbers up and keeping up appearances.
carlasue88 1 year ago
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scottiep03001 1 year ago
@scottiep03001 ...It is very common for members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints to use Sarcasm against those who tell their experiences about the Church.....sarcasm, smearing those who disagree with them, etc...are vintage techniques the Mormon Church uses to cause harm to marriages and families....My experiences with LDS Family Services are real...the destruction of my Marriage by the Mormon Church is real....the pain and emotional anguish is real!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel Im very sorry to hear about your trials. I have been a member of the church for almost as long as you have. 1st off, Ive never heard of any baptism in temple square, so if thats true, very remarkable. Second, as someone who was not married when I had my first son, the church was very supportive of us and encouraged us to get married. We were married 6 weeks later at our ward building. Seems rather odd behavior for an organization trying to destroy marriage.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...Perhaps you should consider well, what I type, my membership in the Church touches over 3 decades....and yes, I am old enough to be baptised at Temple Square, south side of the the Tabernacle...many years ago..
I offer 100 prayers for the protection of your marriage from the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce..The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints only wants perfect marriages and families, and the Mormon Church is pursuing a world wide Religious Eugenics for perfection!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel My church membership touches close to 3 decades myself. Thank you for your prayers, although no protection is needed from the church. Again, the church actually encouraged my wife and I to get married and even paid for our marriage license, and my bishop performed the civil ceremony, Again, Im sorry for the loss of your family. The only instances I have seen where the church has stepped in and worked to remove family members from a home, was in cases of continuing abuse despite help.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
Abuse being physical, sexual, or drug abuse. And in every case I have seen, the church offers help and counseling to keep the family together first. If help is refused or is not working, then the church begins to help get the person out of the situation. In any domestic situation, the church does not offer any services without being asked for them or someone observes an abusive situation.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
There is one thing that I do agree with you on. The church wants perfect families. Being a member for 30+ years, Im sure you've heard the term "perfecting the saints", which means that we do our best to morally and spiritually uplift eachother and strive torwards perfection and becoming more like Christ. In any calling I have ever held and every lesson I've had teaches us not to judge because we all sin. The church simply teaches to love everyone as Christ did, reguardless of their transgression
djbeatz87 1 year ago
They encourage that we all strive torwards the temple, which gives us the opportunity to be sealed together for time and all eternity. So the goal is to keep families together forever, even beyond death. The family is valued as the Lords most sacred institution on Earth. I pray that you may one day make the changes needed in your life to have that eternal blessing. I love you my brother and pray for you and your family that you may one day move beyond your trials and progress in your life.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ....My Brother, I appreciate your prayers...Always remember the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints only views Perfect families as being Sacred.....The Mormon Church methodically destroys non-perfect families all over this earth....I have seen it....I have seen and felt the emotional carnage caused by the Mormon Church as it manipulates sisters to divorce and abandon their husbands....I have seen the use of the zero tolerance straight edge doctrine to promote divorce!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87.....Perfecting the Saints provides rationale and justification for the members of the Church to throw away Human beings, human feelings, human hearts, families, marriages........Perfecting the Saints means that the Mormon Church views others as non-perfect..
I fear for your marriage brother as I can already forsee how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints will break apart your marriage and promote your Divorce....You must look at the secrect macro-view of Church actions!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ....If you have attended Church in the United States you of all people know I speak the Truth.....The Mormon Church methodically destroys families and marriages by calling the frivolous things "abuse"..There is no end to the list, video games, working too many hours, posting on youtube, are all things that will be used to declare a husband unrighteous..I pray for your marriage brother as you are posting on youtube, and that alone, will cause your marriage to be targeted by the Church!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ....Prayers are needed to protect every marriage on this planet from the Secret Divorce Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints......
The term "abuse" is one of the tools the Mormon Church uses to smear husbands and to break apart non-perfect marriages and families....The word "abuse" illicits a visceral response in readers regardless of its truth......The Mormon Church calls just about anything abuse...posting on youtube would make a husband abusive for Mormons!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel Sorry I'm having a hard time typing I'm laughing so hard. Yes, I have lived in The U.S. the entire duration of my membership, which is how I know you're NOT telling the truth. It's funny you mention the abuse part because most abusers consider what they do "frivolous", and thus justify continuing the behavior. Thats not church doctrine. I learned that in Psychology at a non-mormon school. This secret doctrine your making up, only exists in one place, In your head.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
And by abuse I never said anything about internet or video games. Our bishop, Stake president, Relief Society president, and many ward members are on Facebook and Youtube, among other sites.When defining abuse, I said physical, sexual, or drug abuse. Again, help is offered first, and only when asked for. The church does not step in unless someone has asked for help in the situation. The only time they help to remove someone from a home is when the abuse is continued and theres no signs of change
djbeatz87 1 year ago
Our church leaders know that I post on the internet, and do not deem it abusive. The only time the church may frown upon postings on the internet is when they are dishonest, speak against the church, or make false claims of its doctrine, much like you're doing now. At this point I'm sure the church did help your wife in divorcing you, but I can only imagine why. The church views ALL families as sacred, not just perfect ones. We are all human an thus none of us are perfect, not even the Prophet.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
We all make mistakes. We all sin. Some more than others, but none of us are exempt from that.
Something else I learned in psychology is that most people, when disclosing a personal experience as reference or evidence of an event or finding, often do not inlcude all aspects of the story and usually only recount what is relevant to their position. I do not intend to insult you, only to correct the misguidance of the information you are giving.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...I provide accurate, Truthful information about what the real Mormon Church does everyday....The individuals who broke my marriage, and many marriages in my ward/stake, were real people, who broke apart real marriages, that caused horrible emotional pain.There is a real licensed LDS Family Services Counselor who instructs the Relief Society how to break down bonds between husbands and wives..they told Sister Carol to gather all the pictures my wife had of she and I, and destroy them
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints puts out a public image that it views all marriages Sacred, However, Secretly, the Mormon Church works to break apart all marriages save marriages it deems "perfect".....The Mormon Church broke apart marriage, and thousands of other marriages world wide.....The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints is at war against all marriages save those marriages it deems perfect....Please report my posts to the Church Office Building, my Brother
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...Your post is not accurate....The Relief Society, and Ward/State officials proactively work to target non-perfect marriages(marriages that do not meet the Church Standards of perfection) for break up and Divorce....The Mormon Church proactively works to break separate couples just like Stake President William M. Bishop Scott P. High Priest Russell H., Stake Council member Kent S., Sister Carol S., Elders Quorum President Ben N., Relief Society Presidentcy Luisa N....The list goes on
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...The break up of my marriage by the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is not funny.....the emotional anguish and pain are real.....I type and give the Truth.......You are providing readers with an example of how the Mormon Chruch "mocks" and "laughs" at those individuals like me, who tell their story...
If you do not believe me, share your posts and my posts with your ward members, stake president, and bishop....Sadly, you will eventually learn I type the Truth
tacotravel 1 year ago
@tacotravel I have shared your posts, and I do not laugh to mock you. I only laugh simply because of your endless efforts to prove something that doesnt exist and does not happen. People may have broken up your marriage, even people within the church. But that does not mean that direction came from the church. All I learned by sharing your posts was that Perhaps you may have had corruption in the church in the places you lived. But it is NOT a doctrine of this church to preach divorce.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
My post is accurate. The information I use is from the Leadership Handbook that the church gives to all who are in leadership positions to properly instruct them on what to do in certain circumstances. Theres no section titled "secret doctrine of divorce". Theres no teaching of breaking of the bonds of marriage. If you witnessed these things, you should have reported them, for if it really happened it is indeed corruption, if you werent abusing your family physically, sexually, or using drugs.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
I have held various high leadership positions in the church, and can tell you that in my stewardship, I was never instructed to break apart a marriage, I was never instructed to encourage divorce. In every situation, the only instruction that was given was to help strengthen and unify a family, not break one up. Again I'm sorry for your troubles and sorrow my brother, but the church did not deem your marriage unworthy. According to doctrine, nobody on this earth is perfect. No marriage is.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
That is why we work together to help stengthen the bonds of marriage and to make it possible for all families to live together forever in our Heavenly Fathers Presence. Im sorry that you are so convinced of this "secret doctrine" that does not exist. Again, I do not mock you. My heart goes out to you in your anguish and pain. I can only imagine the pain and suffering caused by the loss of your spouse. All I can say with a surety is that the church did not destroy your marriage. Individuals...
djbeatz87 1 year ago
...within the church may have worked to seperate your marriage, but that is not church doctrine. I can only suggest that if these things truly happened to yourself and other members, that you inform church headquarters of what is going on in your area so that they may investigate and take proper action in removing those people from their positions. I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you in your quest to find truth, and that he will lead you to that truth, and manifest it unto you.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
If you will hear the word of God through his holy spirit, like the sons of Mosiah did when they spoke against the Lords church and sought to destroy it, I know that the holy ghost will manifest the truth of these things to you. By the power of the holy ghost, ye may know the truth in all things, if you seek the answer with a sincere heart and contrite spirit. May the Lord be with you my brother in your lifes journey.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...Thank you for this post...Thank you very much.....although my marriage has ended in Divorce...I pray for you and your family, May the God of Abraham, The God of Issac, and The God of Jacob Protect your marriage!...God Bless You Brother! Amen.
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...Thank You!....although I am a non-active member of the Church, the one and only thing motivating me to become active again is to speak out against what the Church leaders are doing.....to vote against sustaining the church leaders, to speak out out about how the Church of Jesus Christ is destroying families, promoting divorce, and breaking apart families across the world.......to tell my story, and the story of others who have been emotionally devastated by the Mormon Church..
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...The Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints is "individuals" the Church leaders are "individuals" the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce was created by "individuals" the processes, books, chappels, straight edge zero tolerance theology, are all created by Mormon "individuals"....The entire infrastructure from chappels, materials, temples, theology, etc that are used to break apart marriages and families across the world were created and payed for by Mormon "individuals"...So Sad!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ..I was home teaching companion to Elders Quorum President Ben....he thought that I believed in the Ultra orthodox zero tolerance staight edge ideology of the Mormon Church...he would tell me about all the marriages that had been separated, we would visit the brothers and sisters on our home teaching..one day inside the Chappel at a meeting of ward leaders I told them what they were doing was wrong..and that I would report them..I did not know then, that the stake leaders involvement!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 I did report these things, the problem is that the Stake President was the one approving of all these things....He had the the Stake and ward leaders send letters to the Sisters in the stake asking them to report to the stake/ward all the things their husbands did that the Sisters did not like....The Bishop Scott was involved in the break up of his own sisters marriage because her husband played video games too much..The Stake and Ward Leaders approved of all of the marriage breakups!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...The problem with your approach to the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce is that the Church leaders to not need to say they are promoting divorce in order to promote divorce....The best anology I can give you is to view the secret docrine of divorce in the Mormon Church as a "code red" in the movie "A few Good Men".....Marines would engage in a code red agains other marines, however, no where in the Marine manual is there a "code red".....Mormon leaders very quietly promote Divorce!
tacotravel 1 year ago
@djbeatz87 ...Thank You for sharing my posts...to help others and to heal myself, I do not seek to prove that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints promotes Divorce and the break up of non-perfect marriages, while simultaneously claiming it
it supports the family........I only need to tell my story!
I believe that my telling my story on youtube is helping to heal me, and also will help protect marriages from the Secret Mormon Doctrine of Divorce...Divorce is Doctrine in the Church..
tacotravel 1 year ago
wow....brother I would like to e-mail you further. I can promise you not all stakes are this way. There are as many stories of success in the church as there are those horrible break ups. I think you have found stakes that are not as close to the true doctrine as they should be. I cannot say I have ever experienced or known anyone who has experienced this in their own stakes. My heart truly goes out to you. E mail me at alejandro_flores3@msn.com. Thanks.
djbeatz87 1 year ago
@scottiep03001 I'm just wondering how you were able to remove the comment. I accidentally posted a comment under someone else user name unknowingly and would like to have it removed. Thank you.
thejermtheworm 1 year ago
w00tw00t!! lets please put an end to h8
carlasue88 2 years ago 3
Wow, from those of us who weren't able to attend, thank you for recording these intros to some of the 8:TMP cast, crew and entourage, thx!
ChinoBlanco 2 years ago 15