ha ha ha..zakhir nayak thinks he is intelligent by comparing GODS power with stupid science..listen every one science is not the base or boss but the GOD is..god is testing every ones faith with the satan called zakir..be carefule very one..GOD said never test GOD with your worldly things it is insane.
(part1) Zakir Naik dares not take up open challenge for 7 years and counting:
Dear Dr. Zakir Naik , My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace.
(part2 CHALLENGE FROM ALI SINA) I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate.
If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute
(part1) 7 years open challenge to Zakir Naik went unanswered..
Dear Dr. Zakir Naik , My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace
(part2 CHALLENGE FROM ALI SINA) I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate.
If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute
@jcty555 you have 1000 reasons but you dont want to admit.. you dont have to debate only lisen to Dr Zakir naik and the truth is there, if you know arguments that prove Dr Zakir is wrong than tell every one here.. but I m talking about arguments not empty words.>. Selam alejkum and good luck.
The Moslems consider the Qur’an as uncorrupted. Yet it's historical and scientific blunders are numerous..
Islam teaches that Hagar was Abraham's first wife..the Torah says Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden, or bondwoman.....Hagar was never Abraham's wife..she was a maid...a servant...who had a child for Abraham because Sarah was barren and couldn't conceive. Eventually Sarah did conceive and Hagar was cast into the desert with Ishmael her son.
@lunaticbomber11 "YET I WILL MAKE A NATION OF THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN[ISHMAEL],BECAUSE HE S UR SEED" ..."So God was with the lad' and he grew and dwelt in the wilderness.."
• Muslims friends for your kind information ******ALLAH IS MOON GOD & MUHAMMED IS FALSE PROPHET
History proves that before Islam came into existence… The Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the MOON GOD. .Who married the sun goddess, who gave birth to three goddesses. They were called Al-lat, Al-uzza and Manat. They later became idols… And were worshipped throughout that part of the world as the “Daughters of Allah,”
@ramsasramsas Adam was Islam Abraham, Ismael PBUT been in Mekkah they knew ppl at that time what God is you are the one who lost Arabia they father was walked with Abraham and Ismael
History proves False prophets should hang on tree Jesus PBUH he cant be even Prophet. OT Proves prophet Muhammed PBUH by name
@lunaticbomber11 You can claim what ever you went i dont wanna argue you. All Prophets that Allah sent they were Muslim. Abraham he was both side dont have prplm with that. Allah sent 124,000 prophets but only 25 are mentioned in Quran we call all of them Muslims
• My Muslim friends the moon god was Allah. He was just one of 360 idols in the Kabah in mecca. And Muhammed knew all about this The crescent moon is everywhere in Islam. Even Ramadan begins and ends with the crescent moon. Ask your mullah ! It’s not good to ask such questions.
• Muhammed wanted to create his own religion. He needed the backing of his powerful tribe… So he picked Allah, the Moon-God which they worshipped, to be the one god.
And he declared himself to be Allah’s prophet! .. In the 1950’s a major temple to Moon-God was excavated at Hazor in Palestine.
• Two idols of the Moon-god were found, proving Allah was pre-Islamic pagan deity.Here is a photo of Allah sitting on a throne notice the crescent moon on his chest..The Moon-god Allah in the Archeology of the Middle East by Robert A Money ( page 6 ).
• So now you see that on the day of judgement… You and all My Muslims Friends will be trembling taught of going to Hell, You have been betrayed by your false prophet.. To be saved Jesus says I am the way and life no one comes to father ( i.e GOD ) in Heaven accept through me.
First of all I surely tell you that Dr. Cambell is not a Christian Scholar he is a person who has been prepared by Dr. Zakir, because here I am going to give the answer to Dr. Zakir. Nehmiah and Ezra both have recorded the number of people at different times and if counting of people differs it is not a big problem. Because it is possible that at one time less people were present at other more people were their. the main thing that Dr.Zakir to prove that their is difference in there messages
@azr786: brother, do you think Zakir is able to stand infront of Sam shumoun. Ask your guy to come out of the rat hole and debate with Sam, if he have guts !!!
Sam shumoun who? (the gay guy whose fantasies were caught on tape?? lol) like i said before Zakir just doesnrt debate fools. shamoun couldnt even handle Shabir Ally & got destroyed rofl!! Zakir is in a completely superior/diffrent league when it comes to debates on islam!
ur highest authority the 'nazi pope benedict xvi' runs from Zakir and thats a fact u gotta face. lol
ur frustrated!! jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible says it.clearly. go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
@azr786 : Sam shumoun who? You guys will do more than that inspired by the Satanic revelation. why you wnat pull pope in this topic of debate, Zakir is showing his true color .... Ask him to debate if he is a true product of Islam and if he feels quran is a inspired text.
Now let me know from you, as you belive quran is the right revelation of God, In your practical life, do you experiance God? Tell me the truth?? Are you sure about your destiny??
@azr786 :jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible clearly says it?
There is 136 verses in the Bible which says Jesus was crucified and no contradiction and no christian will say Jesus was not crucified Intrestingly if you look into Quran S 3:55 says Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi'uka ilaiya and the word wafat means death and Sura 4:157-158 says not died!! which is correct? And with in Muslims sect, some believe Jesus crucified !! so where is contradiction my dear?
jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear. come on kid! stop getting angry. u only just realised whatever u believed in was a big lie! its pretty clear that ur frustrated. Dr zakir just exposed your so called religion. LOL! go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
btw..zakir would destroy u in a debate. he said "i dont debate fools, it would only embarass them". ask the highest authority/experts in ur religion to debate zakir cos those guys always run from him! lol
1. "jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear" Mmmmm WTF are you talking about? The christian faith, the whole New Testament is BASED on Jesus' crucifixion and Resurrection.
2. You really think Dr. Campbell is a expert or has any authority whatsover? This guy is an absolute joke, and 95% of the world's christianity wouldn't agree with what he says. I believe he's some sort of Baptist nutcase.
Dr. Naik stands NO CHANCE against an expert Catholic Theologian!
"esus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear. zakir naik proved it reading whole verses out of the bible in his debate "was jesus really crucified" rofl! watch it on youtube.
i know ur frustrated, go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
I've seen lectures by Dr. Naik... and I, a simple layman, have turned his arguments to RIDICULE. The muslims who give Dr Naik any credibility can't possibly be serious. The man's a joke, and that'a all.
2. I'm not frustrated, not at all. I'm at peace with myself and with Catholicism. It's the muslims who lie and deceive, using false propaganda... That's ALL THEY HAVE. Aren't you ashamed of your muslims brothers?
3 When's the next debate against a CATHOLIC THEOLOGIAN?
~"The secret of creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. This is what Dr.Zakir Does - Hide and Manipulate Sources"~
Dr.Zakir Naik is on a mission to Islamise all religions. He seems to follow the footsteps of Muhammad who encouraged lying to deceive enemies. Dr.Zakir Naik needs to increase his IMAN by reading the Qur'an and believing in its sanctity rather than lying and spreading gossips about other religions' scriptures.
We can easily infer that Muhammad is no match to Gautama Buddha.
The god of this age(satan) has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
The Qu'ran says that Adam was 90 feet tall, it's a fucking retarded book wrote by a murderous paedophile. To the Muslims here mocking him, showing horrible traits: go fuck yourself.
@Vanastarr And your problem with a person being that tall exactly is..?? and btw, what proof do you have that is has been written by a murderous pedophile?? and one more point, unless you have a mental problem, i think you should be able to understand that "go fuck yourself" is actually impossible :D
@muyduy95 It's a physical impossibility, why have such skeletons never been found? Were animals and vegetation the same size to sustain such people? He is a murderous paedophile because he murdered thousands of people and had sex with a nine year old girl, how difficult is that to understand? It is physically possible to put your penis and if you would like I will send you a link to a photograph.
@Vanastarr I never lived in that era, but there are somethings that we just have to believe... and who did he murder?? he actually let the people that tortured him go. and the bit about the pedophile, he never had sex, he just got engaged to her at a young age, which was common in the Arabic culture that babies who were just born were engaged so no, the information you have is wrong it wasnt sex, it was engagement. And no thanks, im better off not seeing :S
@muyduy95 I will mention other complete and utter fallacious tripe from the Qu'ran if you really need any more than the fact 90 feet tall human's being moronic. Mohammed murdered thousands of people, pure murder, to enforce his religion and it is widely accepted by Islamic scholars that he got engaged to Aisha at 6 and has sex with her at 9 years old, Arabic culture or not that is sick paedophilia on any counts.
@Vanastarr in the nearly 20 years of his prophet hood, less than 1200 people were killed in the wars and battles to take control of arabia and the nations around it. Today, millions die to take over a block of land. Marriage to Aisha (ra) was part of prophet hood, if that marriage didnt happen, the muslim nation would be in deep trouble, over 2000 important hadith were from her. you shouldnt talk about thing you dont know, marriage in early age was more than common even with early america.
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Rabbits are sometimes called "pseudo-ruminants"... The rhythmic cycle of coprophagy of pure cecal contents practiced by all rabbits allows utilization of microbial protein and fermentation products, as well as recycling of certain minerals. Whereas the feces commonly seen excreted by rabbits are fairly large, dry and ovoid, excreted singly, and consist of fibrous plant material... cont'd
1 Kings 7:23 “He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.”
Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did “compass it round about.”
Matt 13:31-32: ” “the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree.”
There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don’t grow into trees.
I am disappointed in Dr. Campbell's response, because there are responses to Dr. Naik's thoughts about the Bible. I hope the below information offers clarity.
I am grateful for open dialogue and for Dr. Naik sharing his approach. I would suggest a few principles, as far as understanding the Bible, especially with respect to the issues he has raised.
1.) I am grateful that Dr. Naik feels comfortable bringing up the issues. This is a great aspect of exploring the Bible. It is an open book, which can be explored and questioned. Nothing is meant to be hidden or dismissed. All is open for discussion.
2.) Dr. Naik asserts that the Bible is unscientific. The Bible was written in a pre-scientific period of human history. The scientific period, by which Dr. Naik judges scripture, did not emerge until the Age of Enlightenment, which roughly started in the early 18th century. Scientific method was then employed to determine what is true and not true. This is tied with the modern era.
3.) Dr. Naik appears to be using scientific method to judge the Bible as incorrect. I do want to emphasize that because the Bible was given to us in a pre-scientific era, it was never intended to be judged exclusively according to human empirical method. Instead, the Bible is ancient oriental literature in its academic sense and must be read with this in mind. Thus, grading the Bible according to scientific method is difficult, inaccurate, and potentially demeans the true value of this book.
4.) Also, in the youtube videos, I heard Dr. Naik use Bible translations, as far as issuing what he views as errors. It is customary, when addressing Scriptural issues, such as the ones he mentioned, to use the original languages (Hebrew and Greek in particular) when exploring the issues.
Though Scripture was not written in a scientific period, we can use scientific methods and tools to gather all manuscripts, languages, and historical material to evaluate the Biblical literature. There are thousands upon thousands of manuscripts, fragments, and other documents from history and archaeology, which we can use to check and crosscheck the validity of the Bible we have today. When addressing a particular word in the Bible, using the original languages is essential.
Some of Dr. Naik’s arguments would be quickly resolved simply by using the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament texts. Once again, the Bible, over almost two thousand years has been open to critique. There is nothing to hide. Dr. Naik’s open dialogue is important and he is free to address the issues of the Bible in a responsible manor.
5.) I should also explain how I personally approach the Bible. I think this is important when you read my comments, so that is it easy to understand where I am coming from, as far as my approach. I am a follower of Jesus (Isa). So I do believe that the Bible is the inspired, living word of God. It is very helpful in historical and scientific discussions, but it is not a meant to be classified as a scientific textbook with respect to the post-Enlightenment era.
The confession I make about The Holy Scriptures is that it is God’s word. He inspired people, over a long period of time (over a thousand-plus years) to write down His message. God perfectly directed this process and in His sovereign wisdom and power. He gave us His word. The Bible is the story of God redeeming humanity, which is a rough, messy story. It is told in terms of the ancient world, which was pre-scientific.
Yet, one of the great miracles about the Bible is that it speaks clearly to our world today. No matter what trends, world views, etc; the Bible has a message of love, grace, and hope. It is a book written to reach out to both pre-scientific and scientific people. One statement that I think is helpful in understanding the way I approach Scripture is as follows:
The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.
It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.
6.) As far as the 22 errors mentioned in one of Dr. Naik’s youtube videos, I would recommend slowly talking about each point brought up. But, for the sake of this brief reflection, I will suggest some brief comments.
a. The first 10 errors that Dr. Naik mentions seem to refer to the creation story in Genesis. It is important to see that this is first and foremost a beautiful theological and philosophical work, given to us by God and written down by the ancient Hebrews, who were pre-scientific.
The ancient Hebrews, as well as all those referenced throughout Biblical history, were pre-scientific. They did not know that the world was round. They did not understand the depth of the cosmos. They simply discerned the world as best as they could and God, in His sovereign power, related to them appropriately and lovingly.
Regardless of how someone interprets the first creation story (and there are more than one creation accounts), the most important message is that God created the universe with order and design. This is actually compatible with exploring science. The Genesis account is telling us “how come something instead of nothing”. The creation narrative tells us that God created the universe and did it with perfect order and design in mind.
b. The test of Christians, which Dr. Naik references in Mark 16:15-18, is actually not cited as a test. Instead, it is describing a reality in the history of the early church. In the history of the movement of Jesus (Isa) such miracles would happen. That is a confession of the early church.
Though there are some small Christian movements today that “snake handle” and drink poison to prove their faith, this is not the point of the text, which Dr. Naik referenced. As far as God doing miracles, this is His sovereign will to do as He wishes. Faith is required to believe that God has done and could do such things. As well, God commands us not to put Him to the test (forcing His hand). This is a command found in Deuteronomy 6:16 and also spoken by Jesus in Matthew 4:7.
As well, it should be noted that the text referenced by Dr. Naik (namely Mark 16:9-18) is also described in our translations of the Bible as follows: “The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20” Due to our complete openness and honesty about the Bible we have nothing to hide when sharing this insight and discussing manuscript transmission of the Biblical texts in their original language.
c. Errors 12-14 refer, it seems, to codes that were written in the Torah of the Old Testament (The first 5 books of the Old Testament). As is the case with the first 10 mentioned errors, each should be respectfully discussed, understanding the meaning in the world of the ancient Hebrew. It should also be noted that some of the referenced errors have deeper religious meaning for the Hebrew community of the Old Testament.
Because these customs don’t make sense in our post-modern world, we need to discuss, explore and make sure we understand the proper context. To judge these as scientific is difficult, because we are talking about pre-scientific texts that carry spiritual insights. This is not the case with all codes in the Torah. The regulations often organized the Hebrew community and helped protect their health and stability in a world that was harsh and brutal.
d. Errors 15-21 refer to inconsistent numbering or contradictions in how the same story is told in two separate places in the Bible. Once again, the Bible was written over a long period of time and there are some historical books in the Old Testament that tell / repeat stories. Many of the stories of 1 & 2 Samuel and 1 & 2 Kings are also talked about in 1 & 2 Chronicles. Sometimes, as Dr. Naik mentioned, the numbering in particular and other minor details are different or appear toe contradict.
(I remember the first time I noticed this in my own journey as a follower of Jesus). The issue goes back to these being pre-scientific. Thus, history was not written in the ancient world with an Enlightenment perspective in mind. Exact numbers weren’t always used or prioritized by the Hebrews and Greco-Roman cultures.
The important issue is to determine what the impact of these number differences is. Does the number difference affect the meaning of the story being given to us? In all cases the story is not changed. Nothing is compromised in the Bible due to these number differences. The message about God or about Jesus (Isa) in the New Testament is never compromised.
As well, it should be noticed that never in the history of the Bible have scholars, scribes, or religious leaders changed of manipulated these differences. Instead, we respect and revere the Scriptures in such a way that we openly embrace these differences. The Bible is an open book, nothing is meant to be tampered with or hidden. All is open for review and discussion.
e. Error 22, which references the rainbow after the flood. It is hard to understand Dr. Naik’s objection to this. Every time I see a rainbow, I am reminded of God’s goodness, holding creation together. Even though people in our world fight and hurt one another, the rainbow reminds me that God holds the world together and the universe together. He gives good things to all of us, even if we do not acknowledge Him. (Matthew 5:45) God is great!
I believe it is important to have open dialogue. I believe Dr. Naik, a very learned man, would agree. Though we would disagree about the Bible, the love of God binds us into a good conversation that is thoughtful and meaningful. I love the words of the prophet Isaiah – “Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD.” (Isaiah 1:18). It is good to talk about God and the things He has given us.
MR memykal u want scientific talk on islam i will tell u listen what QURAN said about science quran said about human being birth , it say about universe, it say about BIG BANG sceintists agrre with that , it talk about how rain will come, it talk about humans , it talk about not only wold but all universe ETC. surely who rejects this he or her is unbeliever
Doubt leads to Logic, When "ALL DOUBTS CLEARED BY LOGIC" leads to faith!
And there smallest ingredients of doubt can only be cleared by VISION, EXPERIENCE and BEING in the state of SOLUTION. Till Visison, experience and being is not fulfilled no doubts can be cleared.
@memykal lol listen my friend thre is no cntradiction in the holy qur'an and if u believe in the lies which other sites may say ur obviously some dumbass so please do reasearch on wat you see or hear before u belieave it
@megawadz79 did you watch the videos i gave you links to? what is your answer to those videos? i would like to know, are the muslims wrong about Zakir? or are the other muslims wrong and Zakir is right? please answer and stop evading my questions, i always answer your questions...
also give me an answer for all the verses i posted from the Quran, i asked you many times and many things, you havent answered a single one.
@megawadz79 Mohammad is the only prophet that communicated with an angel when receiving Gods word, all the other prophets communicated directly with God.
Galatians 1:8 - But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than which we have preached unto you, let them be accursed.
Another thing when the angel came to Mohammad, he thought it was the Devil.
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades(disguises) as an angel of light.
@77avt exactly its in corinthians. so whats wrong when he thought at 1st it was? just like when jesus(pbuh) appeared to his disciples and they though he was a ghost right? but he proved them wrong that he is a flesh and bones that he didnt die. u also mentioned about galatians i agree with u now lets investigate what are the teachings of the prophets including jesus (pbut) - To believe in ONE TRUE GOD. same teaching of prophet Mohammad (pbuh) now who deviated from their teachings n say trinity?
@77avt yes he did communicated with God from the angel gabriel who is the messenger it in the bible to. no, not only prophet mohammad (pbuh) there were many prophets too including prophet abraham(pbuh), also mother of jesus.. and when prophet mohammad( pbuh)was given the commandment on how to pray he was brought to heaven and directly communicated with God.
@megawadz79 the reason Muslims leave their Muslim countries is because the oppressive Muslim governments and the tyranny of the Islamic rulers (mullahs) ect...
@77avt Today's christians follow people who created a religion "about Jesus", muslims follow religion "OF Jesus" and other prophets of God who said God is only One.
jesus said on Matthew 4:10 "You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him only you shall serve"
Indeed! He had already prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines not made by God but by men. (Matthew 15:9):
“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
@megawadz79 Jesus didn't come to die on the cross so we can have religion there was much more going on there, again i'll tell you once more, i practice relationship not religion, remember i used to be muslim, i didn't just take the religion my parents and country handed me down, i went out and did my own research and found the truth, the way, the life, unlike you.
Regarding Matthew 4:10, he's talking aout the father, for he's the son. read John 3:16
@megawadz79 i don't follow people who created a religion "about Jesus" i follow Jesus himself, regarding matthew 15:9 : in vain they worship Jesus, meaning they worship him with their mouth/words but not their hearts, meaning Jesus wants you to worship him truly with your heart not just with the words of your mouth, you would know that if you understood english. read matthew15:7-8, i like how you just confirmed the fact that Jesus did ask to be worshipped, through scripture,THANKS!
@77avt btw im in middle east right now and i see many westerners are also here and working harmoniously with the easterners. im not seeing any oppression or discrimination on them. like i said people and religion are not the same..
@megawadz79 sure the middle easterners live harmoniously with the westerners here in north america as well, look at me im very happy here, and im middle eastern, your point being? my point was muslim governments are oppressive, look at Iran for example, also there is other muslim countries that women get stoned to death for having revealing clothing. There is by far MUCH more middle easterners in north america and europe, than there is westerners in middle eastern countries.
@77avt now regarding government who do u think are more oppressive, the Iran that upholds the law in ur old testaments or the USA that had killed hundreds of thousand including their own people for the sake of natural resources of the other nation, and to prove only that the weapon they reasoned for attacking a country really didnt exist ?
@77avt ur talking bout govt???didnt the christian governments like that of usa kill millions of ppl every year???dont u remember the hiroshimaand nagasaki atom bomb that killed millions?
@rehan9824 Your problem with that argument is that the US constitution forbids non secular government. In other words, no matter what they do it is not done in the name of any god or religion - unlike Islam.
@megawadz79 hey did you watch those videos? Yes I was guided and every Muslim I knew was like you (a hater) well I can see that you evade my questions and answer back with a spew of nonsense, thanks alot... /sarcasm off
@megawadz79 another thing i wanted to point out, Muhammad married Aisha at 6 and then had sex with her when she was 9 he was about 53, if something like that happens in western countries we call it pedephelia and its just plain wrong, you know it, and if you dont then youre a sick person and need help.
@77avt before you copy and paste something think isnt it not written in the bible too? for certainly you will see the similarities in the mercy of God to those who believe in him and his wrath to those who opposes him.
@megawadz Hardly anyone can write anything more damaging to Islam than the Quran itself. the Quran promotes hate and violence, all you have to do is read the Quran to see it.
For the references i have put are the essence of the Quran, any muslim that picks up the Quran and uses it as his/her handbook to being a real muslim needs to follow those surah's.
@77avt you have quoted from surah even the prophets in your bible abandon there family,friends, and their own people who do not follow them and the will of the ONE true God. i do not see anything wrong with that.
many signs have been shown to mankind about the mercy of God and his punishments for those who dont believe. that is self explanatory or you want me to elaborate? well you can certainly will nobody is stopping you.. read the chapters that you may understand InshaAllah.
Surah 58:22 On the last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Mulsim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers ( or their mothers, daughters, or sisters).
Surah 60:1 Dont be friends with disbelevers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy.
Surah 60:13 Dont be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's Enemies.
I'll stop here for now, i MUCH more to post if you like.
Surah 24:2 Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. (islamic countries still use brutal and barbaric methods as stoning and such for adultry)
@megawadz79 continued... Surah 5:33 Those who make war with allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. ( Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah, you dont need to even pick up arms)
@megawadz79 continued... from surah 4:91 ...warrant (offering peace in islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah(raid of ambush, sudden attack) that is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civillians with NO WARNING. The onen defensive war, "ditch" was not fought. That is why the islamic terrorism "Jihad" will continue until the west "offers peace" this was made clear by Bin Laden.
@megawadz79 i thank the Lord everyday, i changed from a muslim that condemned everything, jews, christians, all other religions, and western countries, forcing religion down others throats, and hating others who disagreed with me, to a born again christian with the love of the holy spirit and a relationship with Jesus, that loves others even if they are different, and that understands that everyone has there own journies in life, because God wants you to come to him out of love not fear.
@megawadz79 the Quran makes it okay to kill to a certain standards and it also gives you incentives (72 virgins) the bible says "thou shall not kill" and Jesus made it clear as well, murder is flat out wrong, our workflow never going to get better with that muslim mentality
@77avt it is true that in islam u are allowed to kill ur enemy who oppressed ur faith but . never did the prophet pbuh nor in the quran saying killing even the helpless infant, children, women n even the aged in bible u will see all of these including killing of a helpless animal.. just killing is allowed not absurd ones.. by saying that let me tell u about our prophet pbuh in thebattle field
@megawadz79 you justify murder how ever you want, i guess thats how the Taliban, Hammas, Hezb'allah, do when they are terrorizing the innocent in their countries and in other countries, the truth is that MURDER is wrong, killing one another is very wrong, this world will never get better like that, two negatives dont equal a positive, you need postives to equal a postive, its simple, open your mind, but dont open it so much that your brain falls out.
@megawadz79 I am middle eastern, i used to be muslim, i seen first hand how muslims are and their countries are, answer this: why is it that we have so many muslims moving away from their muslim countries to come to christian countries? and adopt christian ways and customs that are lifestyles in christian countries? why do they slander and curse the christian countries but yet they try every scam or legal way to get into a christian country? In Iran for example, islam is oppressing the people.
@77avt you ask me about muslims going to other country? why are you asking me stupid questions? people and religion are not the same..
if what you say is true that you used to be a muslim? well certainly you have not been guided. i feel sorry for you brother.
when did Islam condemned ? what islam is doing is that we are asking you to pray for ONE God like all the prophets did. im advising u to read the whole chapters and not just a verse the answer for what u seek are all there my friend.
@77avt There is nothing in the Quran which allows us to kill innocent people. Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) last speech to his soldiers before going to war against Meccans was to:
- Not to kill innocent people.
- Not to kill children.
- Not to kill women.
- Not to kill soldier without weapon.
- Not to kill enemy who runs into someone home for refuge.
- Not to harm any tree which gives fruit.
compare this with what ur bible says.. i have provided u references to make it easy for u my friend
@megawadz79 you just opened yourself a can of worms my friend, 67 out of 68 wars that Mohammed waged where all offensive all in brutal attacking manners, without giving any chance they killed there opponents like vicious animals, and yes women and kids included, and soldiers in there sleep (without weapons), Mohammed was Warlord, the quran is full of murderous surah verses, i will post a lot for you following in the following comments.
@77avt now with regards to ur quotation about what jesus said..
how about this:Jesus told us to "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you," but ignored his own advice by repeatedly denouncing his opposition. Matthew 23:17 ("Ye fools and blind"), Matthew 12:34 ("0 generation of vipers"), and Matthew 23:27 (". . . hypocrites . . . ye are like unto whited sepulchres. . .") are excellent examples of hypocrisy.
@77avt Jesus says in Luke 2:13-14 that he came to bring peace on earth. Matthew 10:34 Jesus back peddles and says he did not come to bring peace on earth.
But those enemies of mine who dd not wnt me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" luke 19:27.
the Qur’an tells us a lot of wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur’an love Jesus, honour him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in jesus (as).
@megawadz79 now what do this references have to do with anything regarding my questions? are you really that lost? stick to the topic, i know Jesus is in the quran.
@megawadz79 ok you said you will give me references, give me a single reference where in the bible Jesus says it's okay to kill, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ (born again Christian) for that the words that only matter to me, see the difference between you and I is that you make a list of who it's ok to kill or not, because that's what the quran teaches, in bible it's not okay to kill anyone no matter who they are, Jesus says " if someone strikes you on cheek, let them strike on the other"
@megawadz79 i ask you to give me a single reference from the bible where Jesus says its okay to kill and you give me a bunch from the old testament and not a single one has Jesus in it! again you really need to learn how to read, really... come on... stop deceveing yourself, your just cheating yourself here.
u donkey, til what time are u waiting to get answer for them??.u wil be dieing in few more days..
ramin688 4 weeks ago
ha ha ha..zakhir nayak thinks he is intelligent by comparing GODS power with stupid science..listen every one science is not the base or boss but the GOD is..god is testing every ones faith with the satan called zakir..be carefule very one..GOD said never test GOD with your worldly things it is insane.
MrUday7777 1 month ago
@MrUday7777 says what tell me
SuperShotout 1 month ago
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Dear Dr. Zakir Naik , My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace.
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(part2 CHALLENGE FROM ALI SINA) I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate.
If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute
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Dear Dr. Zakir Naik , My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace
jcty555 4 months ago
(part2 CHALLENGE FROM ALI SINA) I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate.
If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute
jcty555 4 months ago
@jcty555 you have 1000 reasons but you dont want to admit.. you dont have to debate only lisen to Dr Zakir naik and the truth is there, if you know arguments that prove Dr Zakir is wrong than tell every one here.. but I m talking about arguments not empty words.>. Selam alejkum and good luck.
ipekicevo 2 months ago
The Moslems consider the Qur’an as uncorrupted. Yet it's historical and scientific blunders are numerous..
Islam teaches that Hagar was Abraham's first wife..the Torah says Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden, or bondwoman.....Hagar was never Abraham's wife..she was a maid...a servant...who had a child for Abraham because Sarah was barren and couldn't conceive. Eventually Sarah did conceive and Hagar was cast into the desert with Ishmael her son.
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
Isaac and Ishmael are Abraham's sons, Ishmael 1st born while Isaac is 2nd son but from a legal wife "Sarah"
"Isaac grew and was weaned.and Abraham made a great feast on the same day that Isaac was weaned."
"cast out this bondwoman and her son;for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son,namely Isaac"
this displeased Abraham, who had grown to love Ishmael.
""but God said to Abraham,..whatever Sarah has said you, listen to her voice;for isaac ur seed shall be called"
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
@lunaticbomber11 "YET I WILL MAKE A NATION OF THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN[ISHMAEL],BECAUSE HE S UR SEED" ..."So God was with the lad' and he grew and dwelt in the wilderness.."
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
father Abraham has many children,many children has father abraham..
...I(Jew) am ONE OF THEM and so are YOU(Muslim) so lets us PRAISE THE LORD.. AMEN?
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
• Muslims friends for your kind information ******ALLAH IS MOON GOD & MUHAMMED IS FALSE PROPHET
History proves that before Islam came into existence… The Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the MOON GOD. .Who married the sun goddess, who gave birth to three goddesses. They were called Al-lat, Al-uzza and Manat. They later became idols… And were worshipped throughout that part of the world as the “Daughters of Allah,”
ramsasramsas 5 months ago
@ramsasramsas islam was in existence from day 1.
MrFreeze7005 5 months ago
@ramsasramsas Adam was Islam Abraham, Ismael PBUT been in Mekkah they knew ppl at that time what God is you are the one who lost Arabia they father was walked with Abraham and Ismael
History proves False prophets should hang on tree Jesus PBUH he cant be even Prophet. OT Proves prophet Muhammed PBUH by name
TheSayfullah114 5 months ago
@TheSayfullah114 what adam was islam abraham?
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
@lunaticbomber11 Yes Adam, Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesus,Muhammed PBUT they all were Muslim.... Islam=Submition to God they all submited to God
Peace
TheSayfullah114 4 months ago
@TheSayfullah114 Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca. The Bible says he lived in Hebron, Israel. (Genesis 13:18, 23:2, 35:27)
how u got into that situation??
Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and especially Jesus is no no no not Muslim.
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
@lunaticbomber11 You can claim what ever you went i dont wanna argue you. All Prophets that Allah sent they were Muslim. Abraham he was both side dont have prplm with that. Allah sent 124,000 prophets but only 25 are mentioned in Quran we call all of them Muslims
Peace
TheSayfullah114 4 months ago
@TheSayfullah114 is there something wrong with quran??
lunaticbomber11 4 months ago
• My Muslim friends the moon god was Allah. He was just one of 360 idols in the Kabah in mecca. And Muhammed knew all about this The crescent moon is everywhere in Islam. Even Ramadan begins and ends with the crescent moon. Ask your mullah ! It’s not good to ask such questions.
ramsasramsas 5 months ago
• Muhammed wanted to create his own religion. He needed the backing of his powerful tribe… So he picked Allah, the Moon-God which they worshipped, to be the one god.
And he declared himself to be Allah’s prophet! .. In the 1950’s a major temple to Moon-God was excavated at Hazor in Palestine.
ramsasramsas 5 months ago
• Two idols of the Moon-god were found, proving Allah was pre-Islamic pagan deity.Here is a photo of Allah sitting on a throne notice the crescent moon on his chest..The Moon-god Allah in the Archeology of the Middle East by Robert A Money ( page 6 ).
ramsasramsas 5 months ago
• So now you see that on the day of judgement… You and all My Muslims Friends will be trembling taught of going to Hell, You have been betrayed by your false prophet.. To be saved Jesus says I am the way and life no one comes to father ( i.e GOD ) in Heaven accept through me.
ramsasramsas 5 months ago
Some christians try really hard to convince others they lie, but it dont work
you only lie to yourself
Especially by laughing and pretending this debate as irrelevant
reece9886 5 months ago
atheisism is science and dr william cambell is a scientist and he got defeated
yusaf203 6 months ago
First of all I surely tell you that Dr. Cambell is not a Christian Scholar he is a person who has been prepared by Dr. Zakir, because here I am going to give the answer to Dr. Zakir. Nehmiah and Ezra both have recorded the number of people at different times and if counting of people differs it is not a big problem. Because it is possible that at one time less people were present at other more people were their. the main thing that Dr.Zakir to prove that their is difference in there messages
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LISTEN UP.
DR ZAKIR NAIK DOESN'T DARE TO MEET A REAL ATHEIST
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GodOfUnbelief 6 months ago
@GodOfUnbelief wtf LOL just get a life fool
thefizipop 5 months ago
@azr786: brother, do you think Zakir is able to stand infront of Sam shumoun. Ask your guy to come out of the rat hole and debate with Sam, if he have guts !!!
nicename2011 7 months ago
@nicename2011
Sam shumoun who? (the gay guy whose fantasies were caught on tape?? lol) like i said before Zakir just doesnrt debate fools. shamoun couldnt even handle Shabir Ally & got destroyed rofl!! Zakir is in a completely superior/diffrent league when it comes to debates on islam!
ur highest authority the 'nazi pope benedict xvi' runs from Zakir and thats a fact u gotta face. lol
ur frustrated!! jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible says it.clearly. go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 7 months ago
@azr786 : Sam shumoun who? You guys will do more than that inspired by the Satanic revelation. why you wnat pull pope in this topic of debate, Zakir is showing his true color .... Ask him to debate if he is a true product of Islam and if he feels quran is a inspired text.
Now let me know from you, as you belive quran is the right revelation of God, In your practical life, do you experiance God? Tell me the truth?? Are you sure about your destiny??
nicename2011 7 months ago
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@nicename2011
ur frustrated!! jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible clearly says it.
go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 6 months ago
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@azr786 :jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible clearly says it?
There is 136 verses in the Bible which says Jesus was crucified and no contradiction and no christian will say Jesus was not crucified Intrestingly if you look into Quran S 3:55 says Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi'uka ilaiya and the word wafat means death and Sura 4:157-158 says not died!! which is correct? And with in Muslims sect, some believe Jesus crucified !! so where is contradiction my dear?
nicename2011 6 months ago
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@allsealsareopen
too bad dr zakir naik doesnt debate fools!
ur frustrated!! jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible says it clearly.
go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 7 months ago
@allsealsareopen ur frustrated!! ROFL jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible clearly says it.
go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 7 months ago
@allsealsareopen Stick to your opening statement.
IshadaKatzteilov 7 months ago
@allsealsareopen "Destroying a person faith is one of the GREATEST sins there is." No it isn't.
MsCrazyCuckoo 7 months ago
So was this a competition for the craziest person in the room?
mauriciohavok 7 months ago
@allsealsareopen
jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear. come on kid! stop getting angry. u only just realised whatever u believed in was a big lie! its pretty clear that ur frustrated. Dr zakir just exposed your so called religion. LOL! go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
btw..zakir would destroy u in a debate. he said "i dont debate fools, it would only embarass them". ask the highest authority/experts in ur religion to debate zakir cos those guys always run from him! lol
azr786 8 months ago 24
@azr786
1. "jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear" Mmmmm WTF are you talking about? The christian faith, the whole New Testament is BASED on Jesus' crucifixion and Resurrection.
2. You really think Dr. Campbell is a expert or has any authority whatsover? This guy is an absolute joke, and 95% of the world's christianity wouldn't agree with what he says. I believe he's some sort of Baptist nutcase.
Dr. Naik stands NO CHANCE against an expert Catholic Theologian!
Gazdo01 6 months ago
@Gazdo01
"esus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear. zakir naik proved it reading whole verses out of the bible in his debate "was jesus really crucified" rofl! watch it on youtube.
i know ur frustrated, go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 6 months ago
@azr786
1. PROVE IT.
I've seen lectures by Dr. Naik... and I, a simple layman, have turned his arguments to RIDICULE. The muslims who give Dr Naik any credibility can't possibly be serious. The man's a joke, and that'a all.
2. I'm not frustrated, not at all. I'm at peace with myself and with Catholicism. It's the muslims who lie and deceive, using false propaganda... That's ALL THEY HAVE. Aren't you ashamed of your muslims brothers?
3 When's the next debate against a CATHOLIC THEOLOGIAN?
Gazdo01 6 months ago
@Gazdo01
ur bible makes it crystal clear!!
go see the debate on youtube by zakir naik called "Was jesus really crucified".
ur simply confused & frustrated, go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 6 months ago
@azr786 LOLOLOL hahahahaha Wow this is the cheapest debate I've ever seen...
Are you for real??? "The Bible makes it crystal clear"????
Are you serious??? You can't possibly be serious...
Gazdo01 6 months ago
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@Gazdo01
yep! go see the debate on youtube called "Was jesus really crucified" then we'll talk!
right now ur angry, confused & frustrated
Jesus wasnt crucifed & ur bible makes that clear!
go find the truth brother.... PEACE!
azr786 6 months ago
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@azr786: It is true that true Christians run from the devil. Satan is very crafty with his words.
pmoyer50 6 months ago
@allsealsareopen
what??? rofl! zakir would destroy u in a debate.. come on man! who u kiddin?
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nicename2011 7 months ago
@azr786 nobody's kiddin anything. go get someone who can beat Dr Zakir Naik in a debate. I dare you. Seriously. I'm not kiddin'.
sulfrix 1 month ago
@allsealsareopen
haahahahahah! gr8 joke!
azr786 8 months ago
Islam is the truth, Alhamdulillah
TheMrpalid 8 months ago
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~"The secret of creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. This is what Dr.Zakir Does - Hide and Manipulate Sources"~
Dr.Zakir Naik is on a mission to Islamise all religions. He seems to follow the footsteps of Muhammad who encouraged lying to deceive enemies. Dr.Zakir Naik needs to increase his IMAN by reading the Qur'an and believing in its sanctity rather than lying and spreading gossips about other religions' scriptures.
We can easily infer that Muhammad is no match to Gautama Buddha.
Dambis0 9 months ago
Zakor naik owned the fat white guy. Lol damn I feel bad for christains
saeed9988260 9 months ago
WHY MUSLIMS DONT ACCEPT JESUS AS GOD
The god of this age(satan) has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
- 2 Cointhians 4:4
quran137 10 months ago
@quran137 No actually we dont accept him as God for the same reason we dont accept Winston Churchill as God, because he never claimed to be God.
ThezFad 9 months ago
The Qu'ran says that Adam was 90 feet tall, it's a fucking retarded book wrote by a murderous paedophile. To the Muslims here mocking him, showing horrible traits: go fuck yourself.
Vanastarr 10 months ago
@Vanastarr And your problem with a person being that tall exactly is..?? and btw, what proof do you have that is has been written by a murderous pedophile?? and one more point, unless you have a mental problem, i think you should be able to understand that "go fuck yourself" is actually impossible :D
muyduy95 10 months ago
@muyduy95 It's a physical impossibility, why have such skeletons never been found? Were animals and vegetation the same size to sustain such people? He is a murderous paedophile because he murdered thousands of people and had sex with a nine year old girl, how difficult is that to understand? It is physically possible to put your penis and if you would like I will send you a link to a photograph.
Vanastarr 10 months ago
@Vanastarr I never lived in that era, but there are somethings that we just have to believe... and who did he murder?? he actually let the people that tortured him go. and the bit about the pedophile, he never had sex, he just got engaged to her at a young age, which was common in the Arabic culture that babies who were just born were engaged so no, the information you have is wrong it wasnt sex, it was engagement. And no thanks, im better off not seeing :S
muyduy95 10 months ago
@muyduy95 I will mention other complete and utter fallacious tripe from the Qu'ran if you really need any more than the fact 90 feet tall human's being moronic. Mohammed murdered thousands of people, pure murder, to enforce his religion and it is widely accepted by Islamic scholars that he got engaged to Aisha at 6 and has sex with her at 9 years old, Arabic culture or not that is sick paedophilia on any counts.
Vanastarr 10 months ago
@Vanastarr in the nearly 20 years of his prophet hood, less than 1200 people were killed in the wars and battles to take control of arabia and the nations around it. Today, millions die to take over a block of land. Marriage to Aisha (ra) was part of prophet hood, if that marriage didnt happen, the muslim nation would be in deep trouble, over 2000 important hadith were from her. you shouldnt talk about thing you dont know, marriage in early age was more than common even with early america.
papercut272 9 months ago
lol admin watch ful video then u know
JinnahKaPakistan1 10 months ago
lol he got rattled
mrwaqy 11 months ago
Loooool he will be in his grave if he is waiting for justification of errors in bible.
eaMusIk2008 1 year ago
cecotrophs are about half that size, occur in moist bundles stuck together with mucus, and are very fine textured and odiferous. They are seldom seen, as the rabbit plucks them directly from the anus as they are passed and swallows them whole. Normal rabbits do not allow cecotrophs to drop to the floor or ground, and their presence there indicates a mechanical problem or illness in the rabbit.
arakenne1 1 year ago
Naik's a liar.
Rabbits are sometimes called "pseudo-ruminants"... The rhythmic cycle of coprophagy of pure cecal contents practiced by all rabbits allows utilization of microbial protein and fermentation products, as well as recycling of certain minerals. Whereas the feces commonly seen excreted by rabbits are fairly large, dry and ovoid, excreted singly, and consist of fibrous plant material... cont'd
arakenne1 1 year ago
@arakenne1
You CAll That Lying? Shows Your Stupidness.... Any1 CAn Make Mistakes..... So... Go Check Your Head
HanleyFraming 10 months ago
awful argument
Porkytool5 1 year ago
No one have answer.
Factual Errors
Lev 11:20-21: “All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.” Fowl do not go upon all four.
TheRushel 1 year ago
No one have answer.
Factual Errors
1 Kings 7:23 “He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.”
Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did “compass it round about.”
TheRushel 1 year ago
@TheRushel Guess you didn't stay in school to learn about significant figures.
snoopyflick 1 year ago
Matt 13:31-32: ” “the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree.”
There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don’t grow into trees.
TheRushel 1 year ago
Deut 14:7: ” “…as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof.”
For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the cud and they do divide the “hoof.”
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Matt 4:8: ” Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them.”
Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.
TheRushel 1 year ago
No one have answer.
Factual Errors
Jonah 1:17 says, “…Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights”
Matt 12:40 says “…Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly…” whales and fish are not related
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Lev 11:6: “And the hare, because he cheweth the cud…”
Hare do not chew the cud.
TheRushel 1 year ago
I am disappointed in Dr. Campbell's response, because there are responses to Dr. Naik's thoughts about the Bible. I hope the below information offers clarity.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
I am grateful for open dialogue and for Dr. Naik sharing his approach. I would suggest a few principles, as far as understanding the Bible, especially with respect to the issues he has raised.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
1.) I am grateful that Dr. Naik feels comfortable bringing up the issues. This is a great aspect of exploring the Bible. It is an open book, which can be explored and questioned. Nothing is meant to be hidden or dismissed. All is open for discussion.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
2.) Dr. Naik asserts that the Bible is unscientific. The Bible was written in a pre-scientific period of human history. The scientific period, by which Dr. Naik judges scripture, did not emerge until the Age of Enlightenment, which roughly started in the early 18th century. Scientific method was then employed to determine what is true and not true. This is tied with the modern era.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
3.) Dr. Naik appears to be using scientific method to judge the Bible as incorrect. I do want to emphasize that because the Bible was given to us in a pre-scientific era, it was never intended to be judged exclusively according to human empirical method. Instead, the Bible is ancient oriental literature in its academic sense and must be read with this in mind. Thus, grading the Bible according to scientific method is difficult, inaccurate, and potentially demeans the true value of this book.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
4.) Also, in the youtube videos, I heard Dr. Naik use Bible translations, as far as issuing what he views as errors. It is customary, when addressing Scriptural issues, such as the ones he mentioned, to use the original languages (Hebrew and Greek in particular) when exploring the issues.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Though Scripture was not written in a scientific period, we can use scientific methods and tools to gather all manuscripts, languages, and historical material to evaluate the Biblical literature. There are thousands upon thousands of manuscripts, fragments, and other documents from history and archaeology, which we can use to check and crosscheck the validity of the Bible we have today. When addressing a particular word in the Bible, using the original languages is essential.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Some of Dr. Naik’s arguments would be quickly resolved simply by using the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament texts. Once again, the Bible, over almost two thousand years has been open to critique. There is nothing to hide. Dr. Naik’s open dialogue is important and he is free to address the issues of the Bible in a responsible manor.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
5.) I should also explain how I personally approach the Bible. I think this is important when you read my comments, so that is it easy to understand where I am coming from, as far as my approach. I am a follower of Jesus (Isa). So I do believe that the Bible is the inspired, living word of God. It is very helpful in historical and scientific discussions, but it is not a meant to be classified as a scientific textbook with respect to the post-Enlightenment era.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
The confession I make about The Holy Scriptures is that it is God’s word. He inspired people, over a long period of time (over a thousand-plus years) to write down His message. God perfectly directed this process and in His sovereign wisdom and power. He gave us His word. The Bible is the story of God redeeming humanity, which is a rough, messy story. It is told in terms of the ancient world, which was pre-scientific.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Yet, one of the great miracles about the Bible is that it speaks clearly to our world today. No matter what trends, world views, etc; the Bible has a message of love, grace, and hope. It is a book written to reach out to both pre-scientific and scientific people. One statement that I think is helpful in understanding the way I approach Scripture is as follows:
joewbeckler 1 year ago
The Scriptures
The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Exodus 24:4; Deuteronomy 4:1-2; 17:19; Joshua 8:34; Psalms 19:7-10; 119:11,89,105,140; Isaiah 34:16; 40:8; Jeremiah 15:16; 36:1-32; Matthew 5:17-18; 22:29; Luke 21:33; 24:44-46; John 5:39; 16:13-15; 17:17; Acts 2:16ff.; 17:11; Romans 15:4; 16:25-26; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 1:1-2; 4:12; 1 Peter 1:25; 2 Peter 1:19-21. (From the Baptist Faith and Message) (Another great resource – biblica.com/bibles/faq/ )
joewbeckler 1 year ago
6.) As far as the 22 errors mentioned in one of Dr. Naik’s youtube videos, I would recommend slowly talking about each point brought up. But, for the sake of this brief reflection, I will suggest some brief comments.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
a. The first 10 errors that Dr. Naik mentions seem to refer to the creation story in Genesis. It is important to see that this is first and foremost a beautiful theological and philosophical work, given to us by God and written down by the ancient Hebrews, who were pre-scientific.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
The ancient Hebrews, as well as all those referenced throughout Biblical history, were pre-scientific. They did not know that the world was round. They did not understand the depth of the cosmos. They simply discerned the world as best as they could and God, in His sovereign power, related to them appropriately and lovingly.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Regardless of how someone interprets the first creation story (and there are more than one creation accounts), the most important message is that God created the universe with order and design. This is actually compatible with exploring science. The Genesis account is telling us “how come something instead of nothing”. The creation narrative tells us that God created the universe and did it with perfect order and design in mind.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
b. The test of Christians, which Dr. Naik references in Mark 16:15-18, is actually not cited as a test. Instead, it is describing a reality in the history of the early church. In the history of the movement of Jesus (Isa) such miracles would happen. That is a confession of the early church.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Though there are some small Christian movements today that “snake handle” and drink poison to prove their faith, this is not the point of the text, which Dr. Naik referenced. As far as God doing miracles, this is His sovereign will to do as He wishes. Faith is required to believe that God has done and could do such things. As well, God commands us not to put Him to the test (forcing His hand). This is a command found in Deuteronomy 6:16 and also spoken by Jesus in Matthew 4:7.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
As well, it should be noted that the text referenced by Dr. Naik (namely Mark 16:9-18) is also described in our translations of the Bible as follows: “The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20” Due to our complete openness and honesty about the Bible we have nothing to hide when sharing this insight and discussing manuscript transmission of the Biblical texts in their original language.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
c. Errors 12-14 refer, it seems, to codes that were written in the Torah of the Old Testament (The first 5 books of the Old Testament). As is the case with the first 10 mentioned errors, each should be respectfully discussed, understanding the meaning in the world of the ancient Hebrew. It should also be noted that some of the referenced errors have deeper religious meaning for the Hebrew community of the Old Testament.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
Because these customs don’t make sense in our post-modern world, we need to discuss, explore and make sure we understand the proper context. To judge these as scientific is difficult, because we are talking about pre-scientific texts that carry spiritual insights. This is not the case with all codes in the Torah. The regulations often organized the Hebrew community and helped protect their health and stability in a world that was harsh and brutal.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
d. Errors 15-21 refer to inconsistent numbering or contradictions in how the same story is told in two separate places in the Bible. Once again, the Bible was written over a long period of time and there are some historical books in the Old Testament that tell / repeat stories. Many of the stories of 1 & 2 Samuel and 1 & 2 Kings are also talked about in 1 & 2 Chronicles. Sometimes, as Dr. Naik mentioned, the numbering in particular and other minor details are different or appear toe contradict.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
(I remember the first time I noticed this in my own journey as a follower of Jesus). The issue goes back to these being pre-scientific. Thus, history was not written in the ancient world with an Enlightenment perspective in mind. Exact numbers weren’t always used or prioritized by the Hebrews and Greco-Roman cultures.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
The important issue is to determine what the impact of these number differences is. Does the number difference affect the meaning of the story being given to us? In all cases the story is not changed. Nothing is compromised in the Bible due to these number differences. The message about God or about Jesus (Isa) in the New Testament is never compromised.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
As well, it should be noticed that never in the history of the Bible have scholars, scribes, or religious leaders changed of manipulated these differences. Instead, we respect and revere the Scriptures in such a way that we openly embrace these differences. The Bible is an open book, nothing is meant to be tampered with or hidden. All is open for review and discussion.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
e. Error 22, which references the rainbow after the flood. It is hard to understand Dr. Naik’s objection to this. Every time I see a rainbow, I am reminded of God’s goodness, holding creation together. Even though people in our world fight and hurt one another, the rainbow reminds me that God holds the world together and the universe together. He gives good things to all of us, even if we do not acknowledge Him. (Matthew 5:45) God is great!
joewbeckler 1 year ago
I believe it is important to have open dialogue. I believe Dr. Naik, a very learned man, would agree. Though we would disagree about the Bible, the love of God binds us into a good conversation that is thoughtful and meaningful. I love the words of the prophet Isaiah – “Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD.” (Isaiah 1:18). It is good to talk about God and the things He has given us.
joewbeckler 1 year ago
@memykal
There is no god but Allah. U cannot imagine god of our because u pray to human being man. Our god is one god Allah.
TheRushel 1 year ago
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@TheRushel : Our god is one god Allah.
Is you Gods name Allah?? Lol in Arabic Allah means God, so you are saying your God is one god god !!!
Thats excellent name.....
nicename2011 6 months ago
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@memykal
MR memykal u want scientific talk on islam i will tell u listen what QURAN said about science quran said about human being birth , it say about universe, it say about BIG BANG sceintists agrre with that , it talk about how rain will come, it talk about humans , it talk about not only wold but all universe ETC. surely who rejects this he or her is unbeliever
TheRushel 1 year ago
Doubt leads to Logic, When "ALL DOUBTS CLEARED BY LOGIC" leads to faith!
And there smallest ingredients of doubt can only be cleared by VISION, EXPERIENCE and BEING in the state of SOLUTION. Till Visison, experience and being is not fulfilled no doubts can be cleared.
prjjwaldubey 1 year ago
so the bible is a history book now?? LOL i can just get info bout kings n old towns off wikipedia man...i dont mean to hate, im just saying
flyleb 1 year ago
@memykal well og on give ma link to one of the sites and i will have a look through it
dreamonbabz 1 year ago
@memykal lol listen my friend thre is no cntradiction in the holy qur'an and if u believe in the lies which other sites may say ur obviously some dumbass so please do reasearch on wat you see or hear before u belieave it
dreamonbabz 1 year ago
This What Happens when you debate muslims scholars & face them rather than making false statements behind our back lol
IlluminatiFromSatan 1 year ago
@megawadz79 did you watch the videos i gave you links to? what is your answer to those videos? i would like to know, are the muslims wrong about Zakir? or are the other muslims wrong and Zakir is right? please answer and stop evading my questions, i always answer your questions...
also give me an answer for all the verses i posted from the Quran, i asked you many times and many things, you havent answered a single one.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 Mohammad is the only prophet that communicated with an angel when receiving Gods word, all the other prophets communicated directly with God.
Galatians 1:8 - But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than which we have preached unto you, let them be accursed.
Another thing when the angel came to Mohammad, he thought it was the Devil.
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades(disguises) as an angel of light.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt exactly its in corinthians. so whats wrong when he thought at 1st it was? just like when jesus(pbuh) appeared to his disciples and they though he was a ghost right? but he proved them wrong that he is a flesh and bones that he didnt die. u also mentioned about galatians i agree with u now lets investigate what are the teachings of the prophets including jesus (pbut) - To believe in ONE TRUE GOD. same teaching of prophet Mohammad (pbuh) now who deviated from their teachings n say trinity?
megawadz79 1 year ago
@77avt yes he did communicated with God from the angel gabriel who is the messenger it in the bible to. no, not only prophet mohammad (pbuh) there were many prophets too including prophet abraham(pbuh), also mother of jesus.. and when prophet mohammad( pbuh)was given the commandment on how to pray he was brought to heaven and directly communicated with God.
megawadz79 1 year ago
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77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 the reason Muslims leave their Muslim countries is because the oppressive Muslim governments and the tyranny of the Islamic rulers (mullahs) ect...
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt Today's christians follow people who created a religion "about Jesus", muslims follow religion "OF Jesus" and other prophets of God who said God is only One.
jesus said on Matthew 4:10 "You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him only you shall serve"
Indeed! He had already prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines not made by God but by men. (Matthew 15:9):
“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz79 Jesus didn't come to die on the cross so we can have religion there was much more going on there, again i'll tell you once more, i practice relationship not religion, remember i used to be muslim, i didn't just take the religion my parents and country handed me down, i went out and did my own research and found the truth, the way, the life, unlike you.
Regarding Matthew 4:10, he's talking aout the father, for he's the son. read John 3:16
77avt 1 year ago
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77avt 1 year ago
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@megawadz79 i don't follow people who created a religion "about Jesus" i follow Jesus himself, regarding matthew 15:9 : in vain they worship Jesus, meaning they worship him with their mouth/words but not their hearts, meaning Jesus wants you to worship him truly with your heart not just with the words of your mouth, you would know that if you understood english. read matthew15:7-8, i like how you just confirmed the fact that Jesus did ask to be worshipped, through scripture,THANKS!
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt btw im in middle east right now and i see many westerners are also here and working harmoniously with the easterners. im not seeing any oppression or discrimination on them. like i said people and religion are not the same..
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz79 sure the middle easterners live harmoniously with the westerners here in north america as well, look at me im very happy here, and im middle eastern, your point being? my point was muslim governments are oppressive, look at Iran for example, also there is other muslim countries that women get stoned to death for having revealing clothing. There is by far MUCH more middle easterners in north america and europe, than there is westerners in middle eastern countries.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt now regarding government who do u think are more oppressive, the Iran that upholds the law in ur old testaments or the USA that had killed hundreds of thousand including their own people for the sake of natural resources of the other nation, and to prove only that the weapon they reasoned for attacking a country really didnt exist ?
megawadz79 1 year ago
@77avt ur talking bout govt???didnt the christian governments like that of usa kill millions of ppl every year???dont u remember the hiroshimaand nagasaki atom bomb that killed millions?
rehan9824 1 year ago
@rehan9824 Your problem with that argument is that the US constitution forbids non secular government. In other words, no matter what they do it is not done in the name of any god or religion - unlike Islam.
johnblack03 1 year ago
@megawadz79 hey did you watch those videos? Yes I was guided and every Muslim I knew was like you (a hater) well I can see that you evade my questions and answer back with a spew of nonsense, thanks alot... /sarcasm off
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 you also sound like a broken record copy of Zakir or Deedat, using the same garbage to attack christians and the bible, please watch:
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and
/watch?v=akBzfGbofFQ&feature=related
A lot of muslims scholars are against Zakir, please watch, and dont be brainwashed. thank you, and God bless.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 sorry typos
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 another thing i wanted to point out, Muhammad married Aisha at 6 and then had sex with her when she was 9 he was about 53, if something like that happens in western countries we call it pedephelia and its just plain wrong, you know it, and if you dont then youre a sick person and need help.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt before you copy and paste something think isnt it not written in the bible too? for certainly you will see the similarities in the mercy of God to those who believe in him and his wrath to those who opposes him.
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz Hardly anyone can write anything more damaging to Islam than the Quran itself. the Quran promotes hate and violence, all you have to do is read the Quran to see it.
For the references i have put are the essence of the Quran, any muslim that picks up the Quran and uses it as his/her handbook to being a real muslim needs to follow those surah's.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt you have quoted from surah even the prophets in your bible abandon there family,friends, and their own people who do not follow them and the will of the ONE true God. i do not see anything wrong with that.
many signs have been shown to mankind about the mercy of God and his punishments for those who dont believe. that is self explanatory or you want me to elaborate? well you can certainly will nobody is stopping you.. read the chapters that you may understand InshaAllah.
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz Contined...
Surah 58:22 On the last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Mulsim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers ( or their mothers, daughters, or sisters).
Surah 60:1 Dont be friends with disbelevers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy.
Surah 60:13 Dont be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's Enemies.
I'll stop here for now, i MUCH more to post if you like.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 Continued...
Surah 28:86 Never help disbelievers.(Can Muslims in countries ruled by non-muslims be loyal to their country?)
Surah 30:13-14 Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him.
Surah 33:1 Dont obey disbelievers.(again loyalty to other countries?)
Surah 48:19-20 But if youre willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty.
Surah 58:14-15 Dont make friends with Allah's enemies. for those who do so, Allah has prepared doom.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 Continued...
Surah 22:45 How many towns has Allah destoyed!
Surah 24:2 Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. (islamic countries still use brutal and barbaric methods as stoning and such for adultry)
Surah 24:58 its okay for believers to own slaves.
Surah 28:62-64 Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are my partners whom ye imagined?
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 Continued...
Surah 19:83 Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them.
Surah 20:128 Allah has destroyed many generations.
Surah 21:6 Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved.
Surah 21:15 The people cried out for mercy, but Allah KILLED them anyway.
Surah 22:15 Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go throw a rope on their ceiling and go hang and KILL themselves.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 continued... Surah 9:39 if you refused to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.
Surah 9:73 fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway.
Surah 9:113 Dont pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire
Surah 9:123 Fight the disbelievers who are near you, and let them see harshness in you.
Surah 11:18-19 Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 continued... Surah 5:33 Those who make war with allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. ( Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah, you dont need to even pick up arms)
Surah 5:72 Christians will be burned in the fire.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 continued... from surah 4:91 ...warrant (offering peace in islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah(raid of ambush, sudden attack) that is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civillians with NO WARNING. The onen defensive war, "ditch" was not fought. That is why the islamic terrorism "Jihad" will continue until the west "offers peace" this was made clear by Bin Laden.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 surah 2:191 KILL disbelievers wherever you find them, if they attack you, then KILL them. Such is a reward of disbelievers.
surah 3:85 all non-muslims will be rejected by allah after they die.
surah 4:74 allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars.
surah 4:89 have not unbelieving friends. KILL the unbelievers wherever you find them.
surah 4:91 if the unbelievers do not offer you peace. KILL them wherever you find them. against such you are given clear....
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 i thank the Lord everyday, i changed from a muslim that condemned everything, jews, christians, all other religions, and western countries, forcing religion down others throats, and hating others who disagreed with me, to a born again christian with the love of the holy spirit and a relationship with Jesus, that loves others even if they are different, and that understands that everyone has there own journies in life, because God wants you to come to him out of love not fear.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 the Quran makes it okay to kill to a certain standards and it also gives you incentives (72 virgins) the bible says "thou shall not kill" and Jesus made it clear as well, murder is flat out wrong, our workflow never going to get better with that muslim mentality
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt it is true that in islam u are allowed to kill ur enemy who oppressed ur faith but . never did the prophet pbuh nor in the quran saying killing even the helpless infant, children, women n even the aged in bible u will see all of these including killing of a helpless animal.. just killing is allowed not absurd ones.. by saying that let me tell u about our prophet pbuh in thebattle field
megawadz79 1 year ago
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77avt 1 year ago
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@megawadz79 you justify murder how ever you want, i guess thats how the Taliban, Hammas, Hezb'allah, do when they are terrorizing the innocent in their countries and in other countries, the truth is that MURDER is wrong, killing one another is very wrong, this world will never get better like that, two negatives dont equal a positive, you need postives to equal a postive, its simple, open your mind, but dont open it so much that your brain falls out.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 I am middle eastern, i used to be muslim, i seen first hand how muslims are and their countries are, answer this: why is it that we have so many muslims moving away from their muslim countries to come to christian countries? and adopt christian ways and customs that are lifestyles in christian countries? why do they slander and curse the christian countries but yet they try every scam or legal way to get into a christian country? In Iran for example, islam is oppressing the people.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt you ask me about muslims going to other country? why are you asking me stupid questions? people and religion are not the same..
if what you say is true that you used to be a muslim? well certainly you have not been guided. i feel sorry for you brother.
when did Islam condemned ? what islam is doing is that we are asking you to pray for ONE God like all the prophets did. im advising u to read the whole chapters and not just a verse the answer for what u seek are all there my friend.
megawadz79 1 year ago
@77avt There is nothing in the Quran which allows us to kill innocent people. Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) last speech to his soldiers before going to war against Meccans was to:
- Not to kill innocent people.
- Not to kill children.
- Not to kill women.
- Not to kill soldier without weapon.
- Not to kill enemy who runs into someone home for refuge.
- Not to harm any tree which gives fruit.
compare this with what ur bible says.. i have provided u references to make it easy for u my friend
megawadz79 1 year ago
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77avt 1 year ago
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@megawadz79 you just opened yourself a can of worms my friend, 67 out of 68 wars that Mohammed waged where all offensive all in brutal attacking manners, without giving any chance they killed there opponents like vicious animals, and yes women and kids included, and soldiers in there sleep (without weapons), Mohammed was Warlord, the quran is full of murderous surah verses, i will post a lot for you following in the following comments.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt now with regards to ur quotation about what jesus said..
how about this:Jesus told us to "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you," but ignored his own advice by repeatedly denouncing his opposition. Matthew 23:17 ("Ye fools and blind"), Matthew 12:34 ("0 generation of vipers"), and Matthew 23:27 (". . . hypocrites . . . ye are like unto whited sepulchres. . .") are excellent examples of hypocrisy.
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz79 yes thank you for making my point, keep digging yourself a hole.
77avt 1 year ago
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@77avt Jesus says in Luke 2:13-14 that he came to bring peace on earth. Matthew 10:34 Jesus back peddles and says he did not come to bring peace on earth.
But those enemies of mine who dd not wnt me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" luke 19:27.
the Qur’an tells us a lot of wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur’an love Jesus, honour him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in jesus (as).
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz79 now what do this references have to do with anything regarding my questions? are you really that lost? stick to the topic, i know Jesus is in the quran.
77avt 1 year ago
@megawadz79 ok you said you will give me references, give me a single reference where in the bible Jesus says it's okay to kill, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ (born again Christian) for that the words that only matter to me, see the difference between you and I is that you make a list of who it's ok to kill or not, because that's what the quran teaches, in bible it's not okay to kill anyone no matter who they are, Jesus says " if someone strikes you on cheek, let them strike on the other"
77avt 1 year ago
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@77avt im not selfish i wont provide u single verse from ur bible that says kill even the innocent.. Capital Punishment Crimes:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
megawadz79 1 year ago
@megawadz79 i ask you to give me a single reference from the bible where Jesus says its okay to kill and you give me a bunch from the old testament and not a single one has Jesus in it! again you really need to learn how to read, really... come on... stop deceveing yourself, your just cheating yourself here.
77avt 1 year ago