The Pot Polymeter(how to Danny Carey)Drum

[stathagranak]

go look up the polyrythmic freak that shit is craazy.

[stathagranak]

dude... this is every hardcore breakdown with a trash stack or china...I'm sorry but it needs to go. that being said it was rythmic and on time but still gay,

[laudiumWP]

you suck dude. Danny and everyone else plays this with only your single kick pedal.

Keep trying man. you don't suck, but its not "the way to play the pot poly"

lol

[masteroftetris]

''how to Danny Carey'' xD

[TheHardCore89]

that begins with 4 drumkick strokes and goes on with 4...with the single pedal..like Dany does



[ascetic43]

It's not a polymeter unless you can switch back and forth between times; and *think* musically in both. Watch Mike Johnston's video on polymeters, it's great. Keep practicing pal. Cheers.

[bigcheesejeezo]

It's ok but you are dragging the crash a little bit on a few measures. Keep playing, take some ketamine and you will be there soon.

[PositivelyBored]

This is in 4/4, there's no 6/8.

1e+ah 2e+ah is how you count feet (16ths), whole quarter notes right hand snare two and four.

Very simple, really.

[mewv]

@PositivelyBored Don't post a condescending comment if you're wrong. Listen again. The feet DEFINITELY don't start on the one every measure. It's a polyrhythm between the feet and the hands - not a particularly complex polyrhythm, but one nonetheless.

[c0d3x001]

this guy is good ... he just needs a better drumkit so he can rock out a little more

[rrheaa14]

you guys are douche bags, dont tare the man down.

[squiresuzuki]

Polyrhythm=polymeter

[djfluffwug1]

This is good. Don't listen to the other guys. IF there any type of realy drummer they would respect you. This is great.

[janken919]

@djfluffwug1 Thanks man!

[dallyson]

@djfluffwug1 he did it right, but this isnt hard at all.

[jquinn57]

Hello. My name is _______ and this is not a polyrhythm.

[janken919]

@jquinn57 Yes I know, didn't you notice the title change?

[dallyson]

@jquinn57 yes it is, the double bass pattern makes it one, real subtle, but still a polyrythm. its called 4 over 3 or 4/3. try counting it in fours, the in threes. youll see.

[Wecklmania]

@dallyson youve got it all wrong idiot !

[hiydradrummer51]

dude pretty good but ur missing a bass drum in there watch my vid where i cover this song youll see what i mean.

[evanescentpv]

aah the best part of the song :)

[eimaibazo]

is it 5 count boot and 4 count everything else?

[janken919]

@eimaibazo I'm not sure what you mean. The feet are playing in 3/8 and the hands are in 4/4. hope that helps.

[erikimba]

@eimaibazo imagine playing 16 notes on bass drums as a "normal" "easy" double bass pattern, then every four notes you Dont playing 2 notes (cycle of 6/16 = 3/8 ) then repeats four times ( only 3 backbeats ) do your maths you will get your answer, good luck :)

[rcacad]

is this a joke?

[janken919]

@rcacad Uhmm....nope, why did it make you laugh?

[MikePostDrums]

Hey, this sounds great. I have no idea if it is correct, but it seems to be. What I was going to ask; do you have any idea as to what Tool song is the easiest to play on drums? I have been playing for 6-7 months now. I know I will probably not do any song justice, but I'll keep practicing until I do. Any ideas?

[janken919]

@MikePostDrums Well, there isn't really any EASY songs by Tool on the drums, but I'd say Stinkfist for the most part is easier.

[eNSWE]

@janken919 Songs off of Undertow are also generally easier than songs of say, Lateralus as well, no? I haven't listened to Undertow that much, but I got the feeling that they're not nearly as focused on weird time signatures and such. I might just be ignorant though :S

[notian1989]

@MikePostDrums Sober is fairly easy and will help you a ton with your hat work, stinkfist is good. The best stuff to start from is early albums like Opiate and Undertow.

[hiydradrummer51]

@notian1989 wrong their best stuff is lateralus bro

[notian1989]

@hiydradrummer51 as a beginning drummer to start playing to? Hardly, Lateralus has some of their most difficult songs, aside from maybe Parabola. Don't get me wrong, it's my favorite album if that's what you're getting at, but do drum to, their earliest is their simplest.

[hiydradrummer51]

@notian1989 oh my bad i thought you meant their best album, not to drum to, but ya their earlier stuff is a lot easier to drum to.

[dallyson]

@notian1989 TICKS AND LEECHES

[notian1989]

@dallyson What about it?

[elconijo]

this song is soo much fun. i love that polyrhythm!

[janken919]

@elconijo Yes sir, it really adds a lot of depth to the music.

[nessy213]

nice, little out of time tho

[EetsMyWar]

The bass beat is alitiile off, or so i think, but good otherwise.

[petersinol]

hah, You suck dude.

But keep drumming:)

rgrds.

[janken919]

jealous much?

[petersinol]

?

how long do u play drums?

[janken919]

Off and on for many years. There had been times when I didn't play for years, so it's kind of hard to say. You're pretty good, I checked out some of your vids. Look at my newer vids, I think I've improved.

[petersinol]

Yep, U play pretty good too but dont make breaks anymore. It's the worst thing for drummer. Even 10 minutes each day will do:) Now I play traditional grip for 2 months and my play is much different too. Keep drumming dude!

Regards.

[DrummerSiddharta]

janken are u played in this video?¿ because if so... u suck dude

[janken919]

Yes it's me....and sorry you think I suck!!!! ö

[ilooklikeppl]

i like to see the kid that says "you suck" play....

[DrummerSiddharta]

I am a child? to say that this brother can not play the drums...

[ilooklikeppl]

post up a video lil boy and show us what ya got..

[DrummerSiddharta]

ok xD

[ilooklikeppl]

im not tryin to bash but if your gonna tell someone they suck you i wanna here you proove they do

[caesarsghost71]

I'm gonna be the nerd here. PolyMetrix is 100% with his definitions. But the pattern is neither. Because the kick drum pattern is simply 4 16th notes followed by an 8th note rest. which causes the kick pattern to go over the bar line and since the pattern is based on 16ths relative to the quarter note pulse it's not a polyrhythm at all it's just a syncopation. look it up

P.S. rhythm and tempo ARE two different things...

But who cares.. that china sounds great

[janken919]

Isn't it 4 16th notes followed by a 16th note rest making it technically a 5/16th pattern. 4/4 over 5/16 polymeter? The china is a Carmine Appice series,thanks.

[caesarsghost71]

No, it's 4 16ths followed by an 8TH note rest, which "technically" makes it a 3 8th note phrase. and since it's groups of three 8th notes based off of the 4\4 quarter note pulse the pattern will come back to the "one" after 3 full measures of 4\4. Like I said it's all just jargin. Knowing it is cool but it doesnt make anyone play better, not you specifically but anybody . by the way usually when someone says you suck they most likely can use some work themselves just sayin

[janken919]

Yes, you're right. I wrote it out and it is an 1/8 rest in between. Sorry it's been so long since I thought about this beat and it has been over a year since I made this video.

[Drumstix49]

well you're close, but you're not perfect. Every bass drum riff is always 4 hits. (i personally dont like the idea of polymeters being seen as two seperate meters ontop of eachother, its more professional to see it as one or the other and just place the second time signature in terms of the other, although "polymeter" is a good way to term the style and distinguishing the patterns). the bass drum pattern is always 4 hits, sometimes you only do three, just letting you know...

[ToolKid21]

is that actaully a polyrythm???

[janken919]

No, it's a polymeter. I thought it was a polyrhythm when I first posted it, then I changed the title.

[ToolKid21]

i see, so what is a polyrythm? two different rythms at the same time? so i guess in this case it is 6/8 and 4/4 rite? what part is in which time? e.g. bass and cymbols

[janken919]

A polyrhythm is two or more rhythms(tempos) played simultaneously. A polymeter is two or more meters (time signatures) played at the same time. In this case it's 4/4 with my hands and 6/8 with my feet, which makes it a polymeter. Hope that answers your question :~)

[PolyMetrix1618]

Polymeters are when different instruments play different time signatures, for example the drummer playing in 4/4 and the guitarist playing in 3/4, causing them to line up every 4 measures. What you were playing was a polyrhythm, which is when a single person plays multiple time signatures simultaneously. Rhythm and tempo are two separate things BTW.

[janken919]

Okay, but when I called it a polyrhythm people said no it's a polymeter.

[PolyMetrix1618]

Those people are idiots then. Look up polymeter and polyrhythm on Wikipedia and it'll explain it.

[basiliobasilio]

TERRIBLE!!!!! BOOOO

[eskimodrummer123]

just get it tighter bro thats how i sounded before lots of practice and careful listening

[IfTheMoonFellDown]

BOOOO!!!!! youre way off beat, and its not that hard to play the pot on drums..just listen..

[janken919]

Thanks for positive feedback, but I wouldn't say I was way off beat, more like milliseconds: )

[itsraphaaa]

I just wanna let you know that you played that all wrong. Youre hitting the snare too much. And you dont even need a double bass pedal to play that pattern.

[janken919]

I'm hitting the snare too much? I'm only hitting it on the 2 & 4, which is just a regular backbeat, and yes a person could play this with one pedal.

Thanks for the comment.

[rozzdiesel]

booooo this man...boooooooo

[janken919]

booooo whoooooooo

[ThinkmanSAm]

your off time and not constant

[stacker210]

Everyone here is retarded. It's so easy to see that he always starts with his right pedal and ends with his left pedal. Therefore, he must be playing RLRL. How can it be anymore obvious??? Jesus Christ people.

[idberollin]

its definitely fours... he starts with right and ends on left its hard to see cus his pedals swing so much but its there

[drummaster157]

McQuads87 is right ur playin 3s the whole time if you try with 4s it might sound better

[janken919]

Nope, it's 4's RLRL RLRL RLRL RLRL

[blight4hire]

you are playing RLR  for some. go look at the vid again. perhaps you made a mistake but didnt realise?

[janken919]

Nope, it's RLRL RLRL RLRL RLRL

[blight4hire]

well dude if you notice more than one person has already said you were playing 3 notes sometimes. i mean you really are. no offence intended.

[janken919]

No offence taken, but I'm playing it and I know what I played. This is the bass drum: BBBB BBBB BBBB BBBB and heres how it looks when you add the snare while keeping the bass drum pattern the same: BBBBSBBBB SBBB BBSB.

[CoheedMars90]

I think you may have it in your head that you are, and may understand that you are, but I'd have to agree with everyone else on this.

[janken919]

Well, if you watch and listen carefully you'll see it's 4's.

[freakangel62]

can someone please tell me what a polyrhythm is?

[janken919]

Look for Mp3guy he has a video explaining the difference between polyrhythms and polymeters.

[plopenstien]

and this is a polymetre not a polyrhythm

[janken919]

Yeah I know, I think I'll change the title right now.

[ixioner]

bad.... why 2 pedals? im not a drummer and i do anyway this part with 1 pedal....then u stopped the video just before the real NICE part ;)

[janken919]

Thanks, I use two pedals because I find it easier. Sorry I stopped the video, but this is just a video for the polyrhythm.

Nice Jackson btw.

[xR34P3Rx]

sick

[McQuads87]

Not dogging on you or anything, it's not too bad, but every bass drum cluster is a set of 4 and you're playing 3 every other time...

[janken919]

Actually, if you watch or listen carefully Iam playing BBBB BBBB BBBB BBBB on the bass drum.

[mkie78]

That might be what your trying to play but Mcquads is right your only playing 3 every other time. Watch and listen carefully, not raggin on you but if you want to get better you gotta see your faults.

[TechnoBunnies]

hes playing 4's -_-

[janken919]

Thanks, but I'm sure I'm playing 4's

[elconijo]

fuck all these people u got this shit down man

[janken919]

Thanks, man.

[alexdrumman]

Great Job! But this isn't quite exactly 4/4 and 6/8. It's more along the lines of 4/4 and 2/2 sort of a march feel. But it's sort of how you want to play it.

[janken919]

Thanks for the comment.

[DSMRyan]

True, you didnt, but it comes with experience. Learn it.

[DSMRyan]

You suck at being smooth and fluid-like.

[janken919]

LOL, I never claimed to be smooth or fluid-like, thanks for the comment.

[neelshiv]

I think the video and the sound may be off by a bit, which really hurts the purpose of the tutorial.

[janken919]

Thanks for the comment.

[drumius]

This is pretty basic.

[janken919]

Yes, it's probably the easiest polyrhythm I know, but not everyone knows how to play it. Sometimes easy is just as effective as complicated, this beat works perfectly with the music.

[TylerHNothing]

i thought that was the easiest part in the song, here ill work on a cover tonight, i suggest you watch it, i might also do vicarious (bicurious hahaha) and schism. wish me luck :]

[janken919]

This particular polyrhythm(polymeter)whatever, is quite easy once you know what Danny is playing. The way his drumming interacts with the music makes it sound more complicated than it is, it also drives the music and adds depth to the music. I made this video to show how it was done in case some people didn't know, plus it's just a damn cool beat. peace.

[pokerpimp816]

the middle part in lateralus sounds like 5/4 over 4/4 at a different tempo, the tempo change created by switching 4/4 into triplet meter and using the 8th notes as quarter notes of the 5/4. The 4/4 is obv the same tempo as the intro and the 5/4 is the same 5/4 as in each verse.

[janken919]

okay

[firemanhoseguy]

simply put the eulogy drum break near the end is a polyrhythm while the break in the middle of lateralus is polymeter with 5/8 over 6/8. so basically two like counts in the same meter is polymeter like eights over eighths, but an irregular count is a polyrhythm like quarters over eights which is what he played 4/4 over 6/8 a polyrhythm.

[janken919]

Ok. The Eulogy beat, the Pot beat and the 5/8 drums with the 6/8 music in Lateralus all form a pattern that cycles and then lines up again,how soon they line up depends on the two time signatures.

[firemanhoseguy]

polyrhythm= the part in the pot with the bass drum over the 4/4 china and snare riff or the part in eulogy with the 16th note high hat open on all the third counts over the 4/4 bass and snare riff. polymeter = the part in Lateralus near the middle where D.C plays 5/4 and the rest of the guys play in 6/8 forcing his part into an irregular rhythm. the difference is whether one type of note can carry the beat between all the parts, be it a quarter or an eighth note.

[plopenstien]

well its not really a pollyrhythm its a polymeter.

[janken919]

How does one tell the difference?

[plopenstien]

a polyrhythm is the same time signature in different tempo's. or i think its that but a polymeter is where two, or more even, time signatures are played at the same time. this is a good example of a polymeter not a polyrhythm. mp3guy is better at explaining than me because he has examples

[KILLAGORILLA700]

great thanks!

[janken919]

Glad I could help.

[vzzbxx65]

When I saw the title I thought it was 'Pol Pot Rhythm', as in a song about the Cambodian dictator. ;)

[earcandy]

Yeah, that's another cool china, héhéhé. Cool polyrhythm ! Tool rulezzzz, héhé !

[janken919]

Thank you, and yes Tool does rule. Nice ostinato solo you did,btw.

[wildbill1240]

Hey Ken! Thanks for doing this. People were asking me to do a video for it but I haven't had time. I will send them to your video next time they ask. Keep up the good work!

[janken919]

Hey Thanks! I think I got this one right. I didn't want to give too much away because I had to really work for this one.

[ashleighevans21]

one day i can say i knew you when..... nice work later.!

[Ickleness91]

Pretty much nailed it, nice. Cover the whole thing! China sounds awesome btw. Wuhan?

And I always thought it was just s s  s

bbbb bbbb bbbb bbbb

But I never paid that much attention..sounds good anyway.

[janken919]

Thank you for the compliment, My china is 18" Carmine Appice signature series, it's nice and dry. Whats Wuhan?

The pattern goes bbbbs bbbb sbbb bbsb then repeat, basically.

[screwball82]

I've always been under the impression the bass never stops the 4 note pattern through the whole passage....going to have to go listen now ha

[janken919]

The 4 note pattern stays the same bbbb bbbb bbbb bbbb , I added the "s" to show where the snare fell on the pattern.

[screwball82]

Ah thank you, thought my ears were deceiving me (I play, see). Cheers for replying

[janken919]

I learned it, recorded it and posted it all in one day so be nice.