I nominate TheHammer7777 as President of these United States. You see he knows all abnout running a country so lets all write him on the ballot on election day to appoint him as this nation's 45th President of the United States.
@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
What we have now SUCKS. It is called corporatism. Insurance companies are a layer of bureaucracy that gets between the patient and the doctor. Companies are coerced into providing health insurance. Insurance is not necessary, except for catastrophic insurance, like you have for large investments like your house. Legalize freedom in healthcare and costs will plummet. It is also a misconception that the costs are high due to the insurance company profits and pay, that is a fallacy.
Well, at least your honest about how much it would cost through taxes. Payroll tax is double taxation though, employers will simply reduce wages or reduce hiring and invest in capital. If health care is not rationed by a price system, it will be rationed through waiting lists, since gov cannot possibly meet the deman for health care since there is such a large demand. There has to be some sort of cost control, and the type government has is reducing the type of medicine and treatments offered.
(CBS)HEALTHCARE Lobbyists' Rise To Power: The pharma industry put its army of lobbyists into overdrive as Congress tried to complete a health care reform bill. 3,000 registered health care lobbyists on Capitol Hill-that's 6 for every single Congressman. And in many cases, those lobbyists are former members of Congress who shaped laws that benefited the industry they joined.This "revolving door" is perfectly legal, CBS News. To fight 2009 health reform *4,525 lobbyists,8 for each Congressman.
@BilkedToTheBrink dude..the cops are paid by local government..I don't mind states and local governments paving roads, etc. I don't want the feds involved. The 10th Ammendment states that any rights not enumerated in the Constitution belong o the states and the people. I certainly don't want government run or even subsidized (like Obamacare-i Know its private but still subsidized) healthcare..it should be purely market-based
(CBS)HEALTHCARE Lobbyists' Rise To Power: The pharma industry put its army of lobbyists into overdrive as Congress tried to complete a health care reform bill. 3,000 registered health care lobbyists on Capitol Hill-that's 6 for every single Congressman. And in many cases, those lobbyists are former members of Congress who shaped laws that benefited the industry they joined.This "revolving door" is perfectly legal, CBS News. To fight 2009 health reform *4,525 lobbyists,8 for each Congressman.
@4lifemrobama Free? LOL, Well, atleast the first dumbass posted a comment.
You'll pay for this just like social security, federal and state income tax. It'll come right out of your small little check, making it smaller.
Oh, and for all of those welfare babies that the poor are pumping out, You'll be paying for them. And so will I. An even better reason for women to go out, have some fun, and end up on the tax payers back even MORE!
They'll get welfare, HUD housing, and healthcare, Free.
lol, ya, it's just like how we pay for teachers and police, that goes oh so well, while were laying off teachers and cops by the thousands and slashing funding for both, don't think the government will do the same to healthcare when they need room in the budget? think again
I am Canadian, and I support your drive for single-payer health care. You guys south of the border are out to lunch. If you don't choose universal health care for all, you will go bankrupt, and be left behind.
@shmiggen I have many friends in Toronto that come to Buffalo cause they don't like waiting for the doctor's appointments there. I have a lot of family in Toronto too..great city, by the way...and your view Of Niagara Falls is much better
@TheHAMMER77777 there are some who go to the states for speed of access, but in general, the US system is terrible in comparison to Canada's. Every American is one chronic illness away from bankruptcy. That condition doesn't exist in Canada, and wait-lists are not that long - three months tops.
@shmiggen No, not every American is one illness from bankruptcy. I have excellent insurance, because that is what I chose to buy for my family, in a free market. People can choose to buy or not buy a product In Capitalism..thats how a free market works. Well, maybe where u are waiting lists aren't long, but again, I have friends in Toronto who disagree...and I wouldn't Tell you guys how to run your healthcare system..that's your business...similarly this is ours and we like it as is
@TheHAMMER77777 That's true. I was wrong to say that every American is a chronic illness away from pauperism. It's more like around two-thirds of the total US population, or about 200 million people. So you are correct. That is your way of life and you are happy with it. In Canada, we could not tolerate having two-thirds of our fellow men and women being so close to beggary. But like you say, it is simply two different systems.
@shmiggen No not true. 75% of us have private insurance. The rest would never be denied care in an emergency anyway. And bankruptcy isnt the worst thing anyway..people use it as a scam...they wipe out most or all of your debts and it only stays on your credit report For 7-10 Years..but anyway, i like our system
@TheHAMMER77777 So let me get this straight, you are ok to bargain for a third party payer in between you and your health care provider, rather than just eliminate him and bargain for the health care provider? The third party, then determines what they will or won't pay for based on cost but you object to the alternative because of waiting time? This makes sense to you?
@DAngelo136 not what I Said at all...private insurance is a product u one can buy or not..if u dont want a third party? Pay Cash...its not my business to take care of other's health, nor should anyone take care of mine. Merry Christmas
@TheHAMMER77777 What do you think private insurance is? It's a third party."Pay cash" you say? Then there would be no need for private insurance. That's the problem, a growing number of Americans can't afford health care and companies are finding it hard to find affordable packages for employees. If it's fine to pay into a private pool for insurance, wouldn't it follow that a larger pool (citizens) would be less expensive per participant?
@DAngelo136 u can choose to buy private insurance, or not. It is not fine for the government to be involved with health insurance....I don't want to subsidize it in any fashion. I don't think members of congress should get health insurance either. People (or their PRIVATE employers) should buy their own insurance, if they desire to.
@TheHAMMER77777 That's the major problem, a growing number of Americans are NOT buying insurance. Companies are finding the premiums more expensive than ever and American companies are dropping coverages. Now we pay more for health care as a share of GDP and have lower percentage of positive outcomes than countries with UHC. Why stay with a system that costs more and gives worse results?
@DAngelo136 GOOD let them not buy insurance...not my problem. If someone wants a product, they can buy it or not buy it. I do not want to subsidize anything. I don't care what the other countries do. I want to even repeal Obamacare. Let people do things for themselves. I Say no to nanny state and socialism
@TheHAMMER77777 It is your and my problem; when uninsured people seek treatment, it's usually in the emergency room and the problem is acute. What about children? the elderly? the poor? What about you? Can you say for sure what your economic status will be a year from now? If you or your loved one contracted a chronic disease, how long do you think you can afford to pay for it? Do you trust your insurance carrier to do the right thing or will they find a way not to pay?
@DAngelo136 I have the best insurance and have never had any problem with them. I think health is a privledge AND NOT A RIGHT. the private sector gave us the car, plane, cell phone, and most of the things you're using now. The government gave me the post office. I do not want to pay through government for anyone's health care. If i CHOOSE to buy private insurance that's up to me
@TheHAMMER77777 You have the best insurance? So you hope. Never had a problem? Yet. Health is a privilege? I take it that you don't have children and you are presently healthy. You sound like you are young-God bless you, because that can and will change. You don't have any clue how quickly that can change. Look around you, beside the post office, the water you drink, the clean air you breathe, the safety and freedom you possess is all government provided.
@TheHAMMER77777 including this medium you now proclaim your "independence". What about that great insurance company you purchased that policy from? Up until a few months ago, they had the "freedom" to deny that coverage to you as they saw fit even though you paid money for that policy. Not YOUR choice, THEIRS. My friend, you have taken the blue pill and have been asleep under the illusion of a freedom you don't have. You have no idea how vulnerable you are. Sweet dreams.
@DAngelo136 I have kids and they go to the best doctors. Even if I didn't have insurance, I'd pay Cash! Because I don't expect others to take care of my family. I work in insurance. Recissions only take place in individual (not group) policies, and ONLY IF SOMEONE LIED ON THEIR APPLICATION! Frankly they deserved it. Companies should be allowed to do that
@TheHAMMER77777 You work in insurance. That explains a lot. Ok here's my question to you. If an insurance company makes a profit by holding down costs which means denying claims, isn't that a conflict of interest? Secondly, if the present system "works" then how do you explain the fact that other countries with single-payer/universal health care spend less per capita, as a share of GDP and have more favorable outcomes than here? As a taxpayer, why would I choose this system?
@DAngelo136 ya but we shouldnt be regulated. We make Profits by denying FALSE claims. That is how a risk pool works. We do NOT deny legitimate claims. We rescind policies where people lie on their applications. We pay More cause our system is the best. I just visited my buddies in Canada. They live near the border, and come to the doctors here, because many will just bill the Canadian insurance, and they like the US doctors much better..I wonder why
@TheHAMMER77777 See, now I know you're FOS. Insurance companies make profits on the difference between the premiums paid in and claims paid out which are invested in the stock market. The industry reports that between 3-10% of all claims are fraudulent depending on the type of insurance. However, according to the Wikipedia entry, the insurance companies engage in the largest fraud by denying claims and delaying or losing paperwork.
@TheHAMMER77777 Secondly, as an industry with fiduciary responsibilites, the state regulates companies to maintain standards for solvency, sound business practices and to prevent irresponsible investments, like what happened to AIG, or did you forget that? If you worked in the insurance industry, a claim which I now question, you also would know that part of your training involves knowledge of federal and state regulations, just as banks and brokerages do as well.
@DAngelo136 Nonsense..we only deny where there is a legitimate reason. I am familiar with regulations, I am just against them. I am in sales, so my job is to sell policies. Even though "obamacare" would actually help my industry, I am personally against it on principle (though most in my field admittedly support it)..I am a libertarian on these issues, and want as little government as possible, like Ron Paul
@TheHAMMER77777 "We only deny where there is a legitimate reason" You mean like pre-existing conditions, whatever the hell that may be. Your guy Ron Paul is a closeted racist who's just spouting the warmed over junk that you can find in "Conscience Of A Conservative" by Barry Goldwater printed in 1964. He's pretends to be informed on the Constitution but hasn't got a clue about it. As for as "little government as possible" you want to run this country like you run a grocery store
@DAngelo136 Pre exisisting conditions MUST be excluded. What if u didn't buy auto insurance until we have a car accident? How can u run a risk pool like that? GoldWater is a hero and should have been President. Yes thats EXACTLY how i want to tun the country. Paul is a hero to many people..i dont agree with him on foreign poilcy though, but on domestic issues he's right on!
@TheHAMMER77777 even the framers had the foresight to put in the "necessary and proper" clause in the Constitution because even they knew that as time changes the legislature must have the flexibility to make laws necessary to keep up with the times.
@TheHAMMER77777 Uh, huh. Really? let me refer you to : United States v.Darby(1941) "The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered.
@TheHAMMER77777 (con't)" There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers....."
@TheHAMMER77777 Uh,huh. "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding." (caps mine). Again, I know you're FOS
@TheHAMMER77777 Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker. There was a little dispute about that issue of "states rights" around 1861-1864. You might have heard about it, Ken Burns made a nice little documentary about it; The Civil War. When I went to school, I learned that my side won and your side, um, lost. They even made ol' Bob Lee's property a cemetery behind it. Don't tell me you're still fighting that war?
@DAngelo136 I am, and your lazy faggot ass isnt getting my Money..i want to keep my Money and my rights..Every Time u pay a tax u are giving up your rights to do want with It
@TheHAMMER77777 Hmm, homophobic too I see. I'm going to take a stab here, you have kids, right? I chose not to have them, so why am I paying for yours? Why should YOU get a deduction for procreating? While I may not be part of the 1% I can safely assume that my net worth is higher than yours,significantly. So in essence, I'm supporting you, your kids and your family. I served in the military, so did my father, grandfather, brother, uncles and cousins, for your effin' "rights"
@DAngelo136 i hate fags. I am against the deduction, man...i just want a simple flat tax...u were never In Any Military...all my family is in there....Military folks are very conservative. U are a broke moocher..and i dont have kids for the record
@TheHAMMER77777 Oh, so you're a liar too. Remember this gem?: "I have kids and they go to the best doctors. Even if I didn't have insurance, I'd pay Cash! Because I don't expect others to take care of my family." Nobody care what you think about gays; If you think everybody in the military is "conservative", think again. You would'nt know a conservative if William F.Buckley smacked you and announced "I'm here" with perfect diction.
@TheHAMMER77777 Again you lie. You said "and i dont have kids for the record". That contradicts ""I have kids and they go to the best doctors." Which is it? You got 'em or you don't. You calling yourself a "conservative" is intellectually dishonest. I know conservatives, talk with them, even read a couple of their books; you're no conservative. Right now, your integrity and your intellect are in serious question and one of them is going to take a fall if not both.
@DAngelo136 motherfucker..my family is none of your fucking business. I am an ultra conservative. I support Mr Santorum for Presidnet though all, including Paul bring up some good points
@TheHAMMER77777 Wow, I must have hit a nerve. Hey pal, YOU brought up family not me. Remember: "...I have kids and they go to the best doctors." which you emphatically followed with: "...Because I don't expect others to take care of my family." And then you said: "u were never In Any Military...all my family is in there...." Is this what you mean by "family values"? Hey, don't start none; won't be none.
You support Mr (Fraud) Richard Santorum? He was a senator in the State of Pennsylvania, and you know what he did?
He wanted his children to attend a Charter School at his vacat Penn Hills Address. He lied about his children's residence just to get thedm in to this school.
@pluto4847 Thank you. It was a pleasure putting that 8 ball in the side pocket. But here's what's frightening; there are more like him out there. They don't realize that they are basically voting against their own interests in the false hope that they will someday be a millionaire even though the game is rigged against them doing just that by the people who are millionaires and want to keep it that way.
Hey listen. All is not lost. Vermont just passed a single payer bill. It is due to take effect at the latest of 2017, but they are trying to push for 2014.
The State of Massasschusetts has a mandate that everybody buys insurance. Now the Massasschusetts house is trying to find ways to control costs. That's the next step.
The State of Conneticut is trying to pass a public option insurance plan for that state.
So please don't fret, we are getting there. Its happening.
@pluto4847 I've always maintained that SPHC will come the same way it did in Canada; the provinces first then nationwide. I had hoped that the adminstration and Congress would just expand Medicare coverage to universal and leave it at that. But as long as guys like Grover Norquist have sway over policy, it will be an uphill battle.
@TheHAMMER77777 Proof again you're a lying sack of crap. "i dont want the government to take care of me. ever. I was the poorest person u can imagine" Poor people don't grow up in "nice" neighborhoods. Where did you grow up, Beverly Hills? Wow, really tough. Must have been tough roaming the streets terrorizing the papparazzi and running from the fashion police, huh? Now since you are just spouting off, I'm concluding that you're just a troll. I ignore trolls. 'Bye,troll.
I now have health and prescription drug coverage through my employer. About a year ago. I wasn't so lucky. I had no insurance.
But I found ways to navigate through the for profit health system. I registered with non-profit community clinics that charged a sliding scale based on house size. My out of pocket was only $15 per office visit--not too bad.
Its great that I have employee benefits now, but I know a lot of people don't. We must continue to fight the fight for them.
@pluto4847 As Frederick Douglass advised: "Agitate, agitate, agitate!" The system we have now is simply not good enough, we as a people can do much better than this.
@pluto4847 Nope. Great for Vermont. But just like Canada, the states will pass it first then we'll get it nationwide. It's inevitable and the Republicans know it.
Yes it is inevitable. You can't hold down these ideas. As for the pre-existing condition debate. I'm sure almost all of us have some sort of health condition in some form. I walk with a limp because of an accident I had two years ago. It doesn't bother me, b ut if I were to ever buy individual insurance I would prably be banned from getting it.
Employer based benefits cannot deny someone like me because of a bad leg, but if I went privaste: Watch out! I'd be blocked.
You know its great having health coverage through my employer, but even though that is great news--things must still change.
If someone loses their job, they lose their benefits. The Hammer7777 claims that people are lazy and don't want to work, but I think he is wrong. Most people want to work. We are having a huge unemployment crisis in this country, and just finding work is not the solution. Healthycare must be made affordable. Not all employers offer it.
TheHammer777 talks some big words, but he is no different than any of us. Maybe one day, he could find himself in a recession, and I'd doubt he's still preach what he is preaching today.
Even amongst the insured, they are not even protected. Insurance companies don't always cover medical expenses.
So yes, regardless of what you hear about repeal, the New England States are the laboritories of universal healthcare. WE will all have Universal healthcare. Its a matter of time.
@pluto4847 As I told Hammer:"You have the best insurance? So you hope. Never had a problem? Yet. Health is a privilege? I take it that you don't have children and you are presently healthy. You sound like you are young-God bless you, because that can and will change." People call themselves "conservatives" and don't know why. I guess they want to be with the "in" crowd. The same crowd that has it "in" for them.
Exactly. Right on! The Hammer can only see in the now, he doesn't know about tomorrow. I hope nobody gets sick, not even the Hammer, but he will learn soon enough that the insurance he has will one day screw him or raise his premiums as he gets older.
You know I have a lot of friends who work as volunteer fire fighters. Regretfully because of my leg, I would be no use to them now, but all the same I applaud their efforts and self sacfrice. I know firemen who risked their lives helping the common man, and all they get is a pat on the back.
You don't see them charging people for putting out fires or doing CPR.
And that's where the Hammer misses the point. Healthcare is no different than fire fighting. Its about life--not death
@DAngelo136 fuck u faggot...i dont want the government to take care of me. ever. I was the poorest person u can imagine, Only About 12 Years Ago, making $5 A Hour....never took A Dime Of Assistance, even though I could have..i didn't have insurance then..i didn't bitch about it..i got a job, worked y way up and now i have it...freeloader
@TheHAMMER77777 Ah yes, its the "hammer". Well glad to see those elocution lessons really helped. Nobody's interested in your life story; I grew up in a tougher time than you did, in a worse neighborhood. So don't try to pull your "I grew up in poverty" card on me. Now regardless of where you grew up, you can't defend the present health care system intellectually, can you? Now unless you get some manners and do your homework and can have a real discussion , I'd suggest you STFU.
@DAngelo136 FUCKING COCKSUCKER, FUCK U ASSHOLE! I CAN DEFEND IT JUST FINE! IT SHOLD STAY THE WAY IT IS, AND WE SHOULD REPEAL OBAMACARE (AND IT WILL HAPPEN)...THE SUPREME COURT WILL ALSO STRIKE DOWN THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, RENDERING THAT LAW IMPOTENT (LIKE YOU) AND THAT'S A GOOD THING..FUCK U ANC COMMUNISM ASSHOLE...STOP SUCKING DICK
@pluto4847 good for vermont..fuck that place! He Won Many Times in pa when he wasn't expected to...and it took a conservative like Bob Casey to beat him...he's fine with me..he is my choice in this race..the only true conservative, the way i see it...
Whether Obamacare gets repealed is not the issue. The point of the matter is that Universal healthcare is here to stay. Govenor Shumlin of Vermont got overwhelming support from the Vermont people to pass single payer. Are you now going to say Vermont is full of commies? Mitt Romney got overwhelming support for Massasschusetts to get a mandate that everybody buys insurance. THat's right, people are buying it. Its not free, dickweed.
@pluto4847 good, i really dont give a shit about vermont..if they want that its their problem. YES, VERMONT IS FULL OF COMMIES. AND MITT ROMNEY IS A FUCKING COMMUNIST! i hate liberals, and i hate RINO's more. In romneycare, people buy private insurance BUT IT IS SUBSIDIZED BY GOVERNEMNT. I AGAINST ALL SUBSIDIES...YES, THAT INCLUDES OIL SUBSIDIES.....IF SOMEONE WANTS A PRODUCT THEY SHOULD BUY IT ON THE OPEN MARKET
@pluto4847 No, people should help themselves. This isn't socialism here...it's every man for themselves. I dont hate America...i like that we are the only country without social medicine...i like that we don't use the metric system...i like that we have Capital punishment..we are unique, and a center right country...i hate Europe and dont want to be like them. 1. Kill everybody at Guantanamo. 2. make prisoners work in jail to pay for their care. 3. Stop paying for congress's health care.
@pluto4847 YA, we should privitize Medicare definitly. My pop is 70, and he could use Medicare but he doesn't even bother with it..he prefers his own private insurance. I don't think the majority of states will do what those crazy liberal states did. The majority of the country doesn't even like the milder, more private based Obamacare. Yes i am forced to pay into Medicare and SS but I wish i wasn't..i hate both programs. They violate the 10th Ammendment..we should privitize both
@pluto4847 And as for soldiers, if they are injured on the job they should be treated, much like Workman's Comp in a civillian job. If u fall off a ladder at Home Depot, u receive Workan's Comp....something similar is fine for our troops but should be done privately, not through VA
So here's a scenario and just hear me out please. Lets say you had a son born with a pre-existing medical condition. Lets say he was badly brain damaged. When he grows up, he can't work.
So does he deserve free medical care from the taxpayer?
Awww why do you hate Europe so much? Europe is a great place. My wife is british, and we traveled all over. I got to go to Amsterdam, France, Germany, Scotland. Well, Scotland's not that great, but all the other countries I mentioned are.
I had a lot of fun in Europe. You should go sometime. Its a true adventure.
@pluto4847 As to Europe, after I see all 50 states and everything there is to see here, then I'll worry about visiting other countries..I did recently pass thru Canada...didn't like it at all....everything was expensive..people there grumbled about them taking out Almost Half their Paychecks In Taxes..people were very polite uo there, I noticed..food wasn't that good though...Buffalo wings are only great in Buffalo
@pluto4847 HAHAHA..looked up on this California crap...not gonna happen..it covers illegals...a friend of mine from San Diego Spoke to Duncan Hunter, who Said it has 0% of passing in Cali. So forget that...as for CT, I'll believe it when i see it. VT has something going into effect In 2017, but i would expect no different from a state that has a communist senator
No no no, CT doesn't want single payer. There is a proposal for a CT public option health insurance that can compete with private insurers. It doesn't mean it is going to go through, but it is being discussed on the CT table.
Vermont wants a Federal waiver from Obamacare so they can have single payer hopefully by 2014. The aim is 2014, but currently it has pushed to 2017.
I guess it all depends who wins the 2012 election. Either way, VT will get single payer as it was already passed, but when the law takes effect is anybody's guess.
If Mitt beats Obama, I think Mitt will repeal Obamacare, but he will still allow States to test their own healthcare methods.
I hope I'm not spamming, but look. I don't think Obamacare is the best solution out there, but it is a possible solution to the current healthcare crisis we have now.
I think Obama should have gone further with a public option, and what he is doing is simply this: He wants everybody to buy their own insurance so everybody is treated equal. It is exactly identical to Romneycare which is why I believe Romney would lose to Obama.
@pluto4847 you mean treated equally, not treated equal. And under Obamacare, the individual mandate is 1 problem. My main problem is that IT IS SUBSIDIZED. I dont like the robin-hood socialism aspect of taking from 1 and giving to another. Yes I hate Romneycare too...Romney is almost a carbon copy of Pres Obama and thats why i would never vote for him, or Pres Obama. If Romney Wins the nomination, I guess I'll just write in someone
I don't know if you can accept videos. I tried sending you a video about a community healthcare clinic in my hometown of Pittsburgh which is striving to help the uninsured in my community. If you have not received the video, please search for 1) Squirrel Hill Health Center.
My doctor is from there. He treats the insured like me, the uninsured, and the underinsured. I believe it is a model for good healthcare.
If you searcvh for it please tell me what you thin k.
@pluto4847 No i didn't get anything from u? Anyway, if he's doing that good for him. I am just against anything subsidized by government, and socialism in general. Good for him though!
@pluto4847 NO MATTER WHAT, I DON'T WANT MY NEIGHBORS TAKING CARE OF ME, ASSWIPE..I DO EVERYTHING FOR MYSELF. FREELOADING COMMUNIST ASSHOLE..U WILL HAVE NO SUCH THING..FUCK U AND YOUR LABORITORIES ASSWIPE
@TheHAMMER77777 Than if you hate America so much, why don't you just leave?. I'm not trying to dig my heels in you buddy, but I think you need to go to a nice quiet place and calm down.
You hate people sponging off your m,oney, but let me ask you a question?
1) Why do you allow the evil doers at Guantonimo Bay get free healthcare?
2) Why don't you have a problem paying for the prison population's healthcare?
3) Why don't you have a problem paying for the Congress's healthcare?
Whilst the Republican bitch in the house about repeal, little old Vermont hid in the background and finally passed single payer. That's a tremendous achievement if I do say so myself.
Regretfully, I am not from Vermont. I am from Pennsylvania. In this state they expect you to either buy coverage or get it from your employer.
@pluto4847 YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING COMMUNISTS...I'd rather keep my Money to decide what to spend It on, then have the government run top-down stupid single payer garbage
You do show the classic signs of Narcisism. You demonstrate in your comments an inflated sense of importance, egoism, vanity, deceit, and unhealthy self absorbition that your beliefs are right, and everyone else is wrong.
Well that is a commitable mental health problem. You go spout your comments about the utter disregard of other people's rights, and you selfishly uphold yours.
@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
Than keep your fucking money, you fucking dingo! I don't give a fuck. I read your posts and I hear nothing but bitching. You call everybody lazy asses, but I think you also benefited in some way shape or form by Government assistance.
Everytime you take your big fat ass and drive on the roads, some tax-payer paved those roads for your big fat ass! So don't be talking shit about how glorious you are, and how lazy other people are.
Did you know Vermont just passed single payer? Did you know the State of California is considering doing the same?
Did you know Massasschusetts has a State mandate that everybody buys insurance?
Did you know that if elected, Mitt Romney will allow States to find their own healthcare solutions? After all, your Hero Mitt founded Obamacare in the first place.
@pluto4847 MITT IS NOT MY FUCKING HERO! HE IS A FUCKING LIBERAL! I HATE HIM! I HATE RINO'S..THEYRE WORSE THAN LIBERALS! I LIKE SANTORUM! AND PREVIOUSLY I WAS FOR BACHMANN!
@TheHAMMER77777 I'm not spamming, but dude I am from fucking Pennsylvania. WE all know how crooked Santorum is.
He deliberately lied about his children's residence just so they could go to a prestigous school. If you want to vote for a fraud, than be my guest--Vote for Santorum.
But the people of Pennsylvania did not re-elect him to the Senate for a good reason. Do your homework before you judge people.
@pluto4847 I HATE MITT WITH A VENGENCE! Connecticut hasn't done shit.....and if people want that shit in their states thats their problem...even if those 3 states have that shit, the other 47 will not, because Obamacare will either be repealed or the FEDERAL mandate will be struck down..beyond that i dont care what a few states do-thats their fucking problem..i dont live there....and if Mitt asshole Wins the nomination, i am not voting for or endorsing his liberal Massachusetts ass
You say that you don't care what those other States do, but States like Vermont and Massasshusetts will be a model for other states.
Let me ask you another question, when you turn 65 are you going to sponge off medicare benefits. You know medicare is Socialized medicine for the elderly, anmd you are paying for it now buddy.
@pluto4847 Cain was awesome. Perry is cool/ Santorum is awesome. Paul is absolutely 100% right on that front. I dont agree with him on foreign policy though. Gingrich and Romney too liberal. Mickey Mouse can beat Obama
@pluto4847 Well, there are lawsuits in that case, and he has private malpracrtice insurance so that will really be between what your, and the doctor's lawyers negotiate. I liked parts of Herman's idea. I like the flat tax..i think we should all pay at the same rate..not thrilled about a new sales tax though....what am i on trial here? ok, teacher, next test....
Do you agree with Ron Paul that if you have trouble paying for your healthcare that you should go to your local Priest and ask him to help you. Do you thin k it is feasible that the Church should help the uninsured?
And as you like Rick Santorum so much, Pennsylvania's former Senator what are your thoughts on Health Savings Accounts? He afterall, authored health savings accounts. Is that that a solution?
@pluto4847 GOTTA stop spamming dude..1-2 posts is enough. I think if A Church wants to help, good For Them. Well good for those blue states then...I Know most people want Obamacare repealled...Mass. also has high taxes...fuck that place. I have no problem with HSA's. If someone wants to go that route, good for them...that's their choice
@TheHAMMER77777 In other words, it has no real meaning other than to allay those opponents of the passage of the Constitution. It was a political move.
@TheHAMMER77777 Getting personal now, I see. So while you can't use logic, reasoning or history, you have to resort to the tool of the adolescent. SMH, the least you could do for the free education I've given you is to say "thank you" and be on your way.
@TheHAMMER77777 Here is the complete citation: United States v.Darby 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941). Like Ron Paul, you talk a good game about the Constitution but never look up the court cases. He never quotes from "The Federalist Papers" or the controlling federal court cases on those controversies. Why? Because, it won't back up his skewered view of the Constitution. I found that case in 10 minutes, why can't he? Why can't you?
@TheHAMMER77777 Again with the profanity. Can't compete intellectually, so like a spent round, you just peter out. Pathetic. FYI, I'm a taxpayer, an entrepreneur, autodidact and gainfully employed. You see, my foul mouthed friend, a society is only as strong as it's weakest link. As Jesus said: ""But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed." (Luke 14:13)
@DAngelo136 if u give people things u encourage dependency, dumbass. I dont want handouts..i want the govt to leave me alone communist..move to France
Well I think you will discover that there is a great unemployment crisis in the US. I have two jobs, I get health coverage through my work, but many people don't. So I suggest you take your big fat rednexck ass and get the hell out of America, but I tell you one thing--once you leave, you'll be begging to come back--ASSHOLE!
I suppose you will call the Fire DEpt a communist plot? YOu are a legend in your own mind, pal. You claim to be all high and mighty cause you served in the military, but even though Volunteer Fire Fighters may not have served in the military--they selflessly go around saving burnouts like yourself if you ever had a fire disaster. You don't hear them bitching, and they don't even get paid for it. So I suggest to you, get off your Big Inflated ego and grow the fuck up.
@TheHAMMER77777 Do you pay for private security? Do you travel on private roads? Do you have a personal fire department? Guess what? You ARE expecting other to take care of your family. Police and fire protection, infrastructure and road maintenance are all part of the commons of which we all pay for. With money issued and backed by the...the...say it with me...government. One more thing, your industry is regulated by a government agency, I wonder why?
@TheHAMMER77777 What about American business? More companies are dropping coverages because they simply can't afford the premiums even at group rates. It comes down to this; do you believe that health is a privilege or a right? As an individual, what leads you to believe that you are not interdependent on others? What leads you to believe that you don't live in a quasi-socialist state already in which you thrive and prosper? Last question: If the private sector is such a better
@TheHAMMER77777 Congress has universal health care, veterans, the poor and the elderly. Why not expand the coverage to all Americans and expand the pool and reap the benefits of lower costs, better preventave care and lower drug costs? Do you see any other country emulating the American model of health care? No. That should tell you something.
@TheHAMMER77777 Nobody's asking you to take care of anyone. Why do object to doing what you're already doing and paying more for the same thing you could get like other industrialized countries? You already pay for the millionaires in Congress' health care as well as their families. Why can't you have the same thing that they have? And they work for YOU. Afraid of being called a "communist"?
@pluto4847 FUCKING ASSHOLE FUCK U AND SOCIALISM...WE SHOULD KEEP AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY AS POSSIBLE..U DAMN COMMUNIST LAZY FUCKING FREELOADER, FUCK U UP THE ASS U COCKSUCKING BITCH..AND STOP SPAMMING THIS PAGE OR I WILL REPORT U TO UTUBE FAGGOT
You know I know several of volunteer fire fighters who selflessly gave their lives for assholes like you. All they get is a pat on the back, but you are only concerned with money and hoarding it all for yourself.
And those Private Health insurance buddies of yours, do you think they actually give a fuck about you.
I have health insurance the same as you, but that doesn't mean they will cover you when you get sick. Think about that one.
The initial premise in this video is a little bit off... "How many people should have access to health care?" Everybody does, however a large portion of those 47 million without health insurance are able to afford it but choose to put other things before paying for insurance each month.
@ FatTony726: Health care is not like Starbucks or grocery chains...it is NOT a market good...the reason it should NOT be for-profit is because you never know when you will need to access the health care system...what if somebody is in a car accident through no fault of their own? What if they are uninsured or underinsured? Those costs are then passed onto people who have insurance and/or are healthy, which jacks up their monthly premiums. It is an inefficient and unfair system.
@ilovemycat00 It is a market good..someone has to pay for the research that goes into it and the providers..this is done (like everything else like inventing the computer, or car) by the private market with a desire to make A Profit...nothing wrong with this
I like the idea of health care for all. The only problem is, really how does it get paid for? Based on the video some of the taxes would come from companies and top wage earners. These people got to the top by being "good" business people. Not to say what they do is good or moral it's how one plays the game. So the thought that they would be paying in without it effecting the general public is very naive. The trickle down theory. We will always end up paying more. Not to say how the system is n
@FatTony726 <-- Believe me, they have this worked into the system in the VA care and it's a problem easily solved. HEALTH CARE is the ONLY THING we ever BUY IN America that we agree to with NO CLUE what they are going to charge us until it's too late. IS THIS NOT NUTS? Look up "NO Insurance MRI". The "out of pocket" pmts. are often the total value of the procedure, so that Helath Ins. Pmts to them are PURE PROFIT. Now THAT is a wrong incentive.
@coolbreezed You're a fucking moron if you don't believe in Universal health care for all. All the evidence clearly state that UHC would be better then the current system.
Americans have been lied to. I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that.
The US health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and Cuba have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health plans where every citizen receives health care with no added costs
V.A. Hospital benefits are great!! I was young, dumb and so entered the military when I was 20. Just because I did that, I received LIFETIME SINGLE PAYER healthcare (and dental) for 4 years of being taken care of by the Army and trained on heavy equipment ops! So tell me again how single payer is bad??? I have perfect health and teeth because of it and oh yeah, when I am old, I can live in a VA nursing home plus be buried for FREE in a National Cemetery of my choosing with a 21 gun salute.
@p4h10oso what its bad you entered the military?!?!?!?! And shut ups those benifits are only for military members and vets we would we want civilians to have that?
Note to all collectivist commentating. You all can start? your own communal living system right here in the US! There are enough you big government liberal no experience morons both rich and poor. So why not just do? it? What are you waiting for? Hollywood liberals, law school liberals, professors, and politicians. You can do it here in the United States and have community healthcare! Just don't put a gun? to MY head and FORCE me into it. I will sit back to see just how well it works....
u 2 faggots done sucking each other's dicks, DAngelo136 and Pluto4847?
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
I nominate TheHammer7777 as President of these United States. You see he knows all abnout running a country so lets all write him on the ballot on election day to appoint him as this nation's 45th President of the United States.
pluto4847 1 day ago
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@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
What we have now SUCKS. It is called corporatism. Insurance companies are a layer of bureaucracy that gets between the patient and the doctor. Companies are coerced into providing health insurance. Insurance is not necessary, except for catastrophic insurance, like you have for large investments like your house. Legalize freedom in healthcare and costs will plummet. It is also a misconception that the costs are high due to the insurance company profits and pay, that is a fallacy.
DCUPtoejuice 3 months ago
@DCUPtoejuice Don't want a 3rd party? Pay Cash. Merry Christmas
TheHAMMER77777 1 month ago
Well, at least your honest about how much it would cost through taxes. Payroll tax is double taxation though, employers will simply reduce wages or reduce hiring and invest in capital. If health care is not rationed by a price system, it will be rationed through waiting lists, since gov cannot possibly meet the deman for health care since there is such a large demand. There has to be some sort of cost control, and the type government has is reducing the type of medicine and treatments offered.
groam6666 3 months ago
(CBS)HEALTHCARE Lobbyists' Rise To Power: The pharma industry put its army of lobbyists into overdrive as Congress tried to complete a health care reform bill. 3,000 registered health care lobbyists on Capitol Hill-that's 6 for every single Congressman. And in many cases, those lobbyists are former members of Congress who shaped laws that benefited the industry they joined.This "revolving door" is perfectly legal, CBS News. To fight 2009 health reform *4,525 lobbyists,8 for each Congressman.
BilkedToTheBrink 3 months ago
@BilkedToTheBrink dude..the cops are paid by local government..I don't mind states and local governments paving roads, etc. I don't want the feds involved. The 10th Ammendment states that any rights not enumerated in the Constitution belong o the states and the people. I certainly don't want government run or even subsidized (like Obamacare-i Know its private but still subsidized) healthcare..it should be purely market-based
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
(CBS)HEALTHCARE Lobbyists' Rise To Power: The pharma industry put its army of lobbyists into overdrive as Congress tried to complete a health care reform bill. 3,000 registered health care lobbyists on Capitol Hill-that's 6 for every single Congressman. And in many cases, those lobbyists are former members of Congress who shaped laws that benefited the industry they joined.This "revolving door" is perfectly legal, CBS News. To fight 2009 health reform *4,525 lobbyists,8 for each Congressman.
BilkedToTheBrink 3 months ago
GOOD..if people want it they can buy it...not my problem
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
We need free health care
4lifemrobama 4 months ago
@4lifemrobama Free? LOL, Well, atleast the first dumbass posted a comment.
You'll pay for this just like social security, federal and state income tax. It'll come right out of your small little check, making it smaller.
Oh, and for all of those welfare babies that the poor are pumping out, You'll be paying for them. And so will I. An even better reason for women to go out, have some fun, and end up on the tax payers back even MORE!
They'll get welfare, HUD housing, and healthcare, Free.
AzBirdDog 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog ya end the nanny state
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog there is no free...good point
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
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@4lifemrobama No such thing as free
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
lol, ya, it's just like how we pay for teachers and police, that goes oh so well, while were laying off teachers and cops by the thousands and slashing funding for both, don't think the government will do the same to healthcare when they need room in the budget? think again
383man 4 months ago
I am Canadian, and I support your drive for single-payer health care. You guys south of the border are out to lunch. If you don't choose universal health care for all, you will go bankrupt, and be left behind.
shmiggen 4 months ago
@shmiggen thats why many of u come here to the US for care..yep, makes sense
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@TheHAMMER77777 many? not really. less than a hundred I'd wager.
shmiggen 3 months ago
@shmiggen I have many friends in Toronto that come to Buffalo cause they don't like waiting for the doctor's appointments there. I have a lot of family in Toronto too..great city, by the way...and your view Of Niagara Falls is much better
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@TheHAMMER77777 there are some who go to the states for speed of access, but in general, the US system is terrible in comparison to Canada's. Every American is one chronic illness away from bankruptcy. That condition doesn't exist in Canada, and wait-lists are not that long - three months tops.
shmiggen 3 months ago
@shmiggen No, not every American is one illness from bankruptcy. I have excellent insurance, because that is what I chose to buy for my family, in a free market. People can choose to buy or not buy a product In Capitalism..thats how a free market works. Well, maybe where u are waiting lists aren't long, but again, I have friends in Toronto who disagree...and I wouldn't Tell you guys how to run your healthcare system..that's your business...similarly this is ours and we like it as is
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@TheHAMMER77777 That's true. I was wrong to say that every American is a chronic illness away from pauperism. It's more like around two-thirds of the total US population, or about 200 million people. So you are correct. That is your way of life and you are happy with it. In Canada, we could not tolerate having two-thirds of our fellow men and women being so close to beggary. But like you say, it is simply two different systems.
shmiggen 3 months ago
@shmiggen No not true. 75% of us have private insurance. The rest would never be denied care in an emergency anyway. And bankruptcy isnt the worst thing anyway..people use it as a scam...they wipe out most or all of your debts and it only stays on your credit report For 7-10 Years..but anyway, i like our system
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@TheHAMMER77777 So let me get this straight, you are ok to bargain for a third party payer in between you and your health care provider, rather than just eliminate him and bargain for the health care provider? The third party, then determines what they will or won't pay for based on cost but you object to the alternative because of waiting time? This makes sense to you?
DAngelo136 1 month ago
@DAngelo136 not what I Said at all...private insurance is a product u one can buy or not..if u dont want a third party? Pay Cash...its not my business to take care of other's health, nor should anyone take care of mine. Merry Christmas
TheHAMMER77777 1 month ago
@TheHAMMER77777 What do you think private insurance is? It's a third party."Pay cash" you say? Then there would be no need for private insurance. That's the problem, a growing number of Americans can't afford health care and companies are finding it hard to find affordable packages for employees. If it's fine to pay into a private pool for insurance, wouldn't it follow that a larger pool (citizens) would be less expensive per participant?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 u can choose to buy private insurance, or not. It is not fine for the government to be involved with health insurance....I don't want to subsidize it in any fashion. I don't think members of congress should get health insurance either. People (or their PRIVATE employers) should buy their own insurance, if they desire to.
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 That's the major problem, a growing number of Americans are NOT buying insurance. Companies are finding the premiums more expensive than ever and American companies are dropping coverages. Now we pay more for health care as a share of GDP and have lower percentage of positive outcomes than countries with UHC. Why stay with a system that costs more and gives worse results?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 GOOD let them not buy insurance...not my problem. If someone wants a product, they can buy it or not buy it. I do not want to subsidize anything. I don't care what the other countries do. I want to even repeal Obamacare. Let people do things for themselves. I Say no to nanny state and socialism
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 It is your and my problem; when uninsured people seek treatment, it's usually in the emergency room and the problem is acute. What about children? the elderly? the poor? What about you? Can you say for sure what your economic status will be a year from now? If you or your loved one contracted a chronic disease, how long do you think you can afford to pay for it? Do you trust your insurance carrier to do the right thing or will they find a way not to pay?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 I have the best insurance and have never had any problem with them. I think health is a privledge AND NOT A RIGHT. the private sector gave us the car, plane, cell phone, and most of the things you're using now. The government gave me the post office. I do not want to pay through government for anyone's health care. If i CHOOSE to buy private insurance that's up to me
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 You have the best insurance? So you hope. Never had a problem? Yet. Health is a privilege? I take it that you don't have children and you are presently healthy. You sound like you are young-God bless you, because that can and will change. You don't have any clue how quickly that can change. Look around you, beside the post office, the water you drink, the clean air you breathe, the safety and freedom you possess is all government provided.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 including this medium you now proclaim your "independence". What about that great insurance company you purchased that policy from? Up until a few months ago, they had the "freedom" to deny that coverage to you as they saw fit even though you paid money for that policy. Not YOUR choice, THEIRS. My friend, you have taken the blue pill and have been asleep under the illusion of a freedom you don't have. You have no idea how vulnerable you are. Sweet dreams.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 I have kids and they go to the best doctors. Even if I didn't have insurance, I'd pay Cash! Because I don't expect others to take care of my family. I work in insurance. Recissions only take place in individual (not group) policies, and ONLY IF SOMEONE LIED ON THEIR APPLICATION! Frankly they deserved it. Companies should be allowed to do that
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 You work in insurance. That explains a lot. Ok here's my question to you. If an insurance company makes a profit by holding down costs which means denying claims, isn't that a conflict of interest? Secondly, if the present system "works" then how do you explain the fact that other countries with single-payer/universal health care spend less per capita, as a share of GDP and have more favorable outcomes than here? As a taxpayer, why would I choose this system?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 ya but we shouldnt be regulated. We make Profits by denying FALSE claims. That is how a risk pool works. We do NOT deny legitimate claims. We rescind policies where people lie on their applications. We pay More cause our system is the best. I just visited my buddies in Canada. They live near the border, and come to the doctors here, because many will just bill the Canadian insurance, and they like the US doctors much better..I wonder why
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 See, now I know you're FOS. Insurance companies make profits on the difference between the premiums paid in and claims paid out which are invested in the stock market. The industry reports that between 3-10% of all claims are fraudulent depending on the type of insurance. However, according to the Wikipedia entry, the insurance companies engage in the largest fraud by denying claims and delaying or losing paperwork.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Secondly, as an industry with fiduciary responsibilites, the state regulates companies to maintain standards for solvency, sound business practices and to prevent irresponsible investments, like what happened to AIG, or did you forget that? If you worked in the insurance industry, a claim which I now question, you also would know that part of your training involves knowledge of federal and state regulations, just as banks and brokerages do as well.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 Nonsense..we only deny where there is a legitimate reason. I am familiar with regulations, I am just against them. I am in sales, so my job is to sell policies. Even though "obamacare" would actually help my industry, I am personally against it on principle (though most in my field admittedly support it)..I am a libertarian on these issues, and want as little government as possible, like Ron Paul
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 "We only deny where there is a legitimate reason" You mean like pre-existing conditions, whatever the hell that may be. Your guy Ron Paul is a closeted racist who's just spouting the warmed over junk that you can find in "Conscience Of A Conservative" by Barry Goldwater printed in 1964. He's pretends to be informed on the Constitution but hasn't got a clue about it. As for as "little government as possible" you want to run this country like you run a grocery store
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 Pre exisisting conditions MUST be excluded. What if u didn't buy auto insurance until we have a car accident? How can u run a risk pool like that? GoldWater is a hero and should have been President. Yes thats EXACTLY how i want to tun the country. Paul is a hero to many people..i dont agree with him on foreign poilcy though, but on domestic issues he's right on!
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Well why do you have health insurance? It appears to me that you have a pre-existing condition in your head.
YOu are a Narcisist!!!!! That's a mental health problem. Your insurance should be dropped because you lied on your application.
A Narcisist like yourself believes they know it all. You think of yourself as some American hero when you are actually an American Zero.
You are in love with yourself, and I'd advise you use that insurance of yours to be evaluated.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777 even the framers had the foresight to put in the "necessary and proper" clause in the Constitution because even they knew that as time changes the legislature must have the flexibility to make laws necessary to keep up with the times.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 no we must uphold the 10th ammendment..get rid of medicare and ss..they violate my rights
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Uh, huh. Really? let me refer you to : United States v.Darby(1941) "The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 (con't)" There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers....."
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 FUCK ALL THAT..STATES RIGHTS BABY....end the nanny state
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Uh,huh. "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding." (caps mine). Again, I know you're FOS
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker. There was a little dispute about that issue of "states rights" around 1861-1864. You might have heard about it, Ken Burns made a nice little documentary about it; The Civil War. When I went to school, I learned that my side won and your side, um, lost. They even made ol' Bob Lee's property a cemetery behind it. Don't tell me you're still fighting that war?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 I am, and your lazy faggot ass isnt getting my Money..i want to keep my Money and my rights..Every Time u pay a tax u are giving up your rights to do want with It
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Hmm, homophobic too I see. I'm going to take a stab here, you have kids, right? I chose not to have them, so why am I paying for yours? Why should YOU get a deduction for procreating? While I may not be part of the 1% I can safely assume that my net worth is higher than yours,significantly. So in essence, I'm supporting you, your kids and your family. I served in the military, so did my father, grandfather, brother, uncles and cousins, for your effin' "rights"
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 i hate fags. I am against the deduction, man...i just want a simple flat tax...u were never In Any Military...all my family is in there....Military folks are very conservative. U are a broke moocher..and i dont have kids for the record
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Oh, so you're a liar too. Remember this gem?: "I have kids and they go to the best doctors. Even if I didn't have insurance, I'd pay Cash! Because I don't expect others to take care of my family." Nobody care what you think about gays; If you think everybody in the military is "conservative", think again. You would'nt know a conservative if William F.Buckley smacked you and announced "I'm here" with perfect diction.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 I do but theyre no longer dependents i meant..theyre adults, dumbass. I Know conservatives..i am one
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Again you lie. You said "and i dont have kids for the record". That contradicts ""I have kids and they go to the best doctors." Which is it? You got 'em or you don't. You calling yourself a "conservative" is intellectually dishonest. I know conservatives, talk with them, even read a couple of their books; you're no conservative. Right now, your integrity and your intellect are in serious question and one of them is going to take a fall if not both.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 motherfucker..my family is none of your fucking business. I am an ultra conservative. I support Mr Santorum for Presidnet though all, including Paul bring up some good points
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
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@TheHAMMER77777 Wow, I must have hit a nerve. Hey pal, YOU brought up family not me. Remember: "...I have kids and they go to the best doctors." which you emphatically followed with: "...Because I don't expect others to take care of my family." And then you said: "u were never In Any Military...all my family is in there...." Is this what you mean by "family values"? Hey, don't start none; won't be none.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777
You support Mr (Fraud) Richard Santorum? He was a senator in the State of Pennsylvania, and you know what he did?
He wanted his children to attend a Charter School at his vacat Penn Hills Address. He lied about his children's residence just to get thedm in to this school.
He should have been arrested.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
Applauds Dangel136, right on! I'm glad you stood up to TheHammer7777. He's no conservative saint. He is a buffoon.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 Thank you. It was a pleasure putting that 8 ball in the side pocket. But here's what's frightening; there are more like him out there. They don't realize that they are basically voting against their own interests in the false hope that they will someday be a millionaire even though the game is rigged against them doing just that by the people who are millionaires and want to keep it that way.
DAngelo136 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
Hey listen. All is not lost. Vermont just passed a single payer bill. It is due to take effect at the latest of 2017, but they are trying to push for 2014.
The State of Massasschusetts has a mandate that everybody buys insurance. Now the Massasschusetts house is trying to find ways to control costs. That's the next step.
The State of Conneticut is trying to pass a public option insurance plan for that state.
So please don't fret, we are getting there. Its happening.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 I've always maintained that SPHC will come the same way it did in Canada; the provinces first then nationwide. I had hoped that the adminstration and Congress would just expand Medicare coverage to universal and leave it at that. But as long as guys like Grover Norquist have sway over policy, it will be an uphill battle.
DAngelo136 1 day ago
@DAngelo136 NEVER GONNA HAPPEN COMMUNIST
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
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@TheHAMMER77777 Proof again you're a lying sack of crap. "i dont want the government to take care of me. ever. I was the poorest person u can imagine" Poor people don't grow up in "nice" neighborhoods. Where did you grow up, Beverly Hills? Wow, really tough. Must have been tough roaming the streets terrorizing the papparazzi and running from the fashion police, huh? Now since you are just spouting off, I'm concluding that you're just a troll. I ignore trolls. 'Bye,troll.
DAngelo136 22 hours ago
@DAngelo136
I now have health and prescription drug coverage through my employer. About a year ago. I wasn't so lucky. I had no insurance.
But I found ways to navigate through the for profit health system. I registered with non-profit community clinics that charged a sliding scale based on house size. My out of pocket was only $15 per office visit--not too bad.
Its great that I have employee benefits now, but I know a lot of people don't. We must continue to fight the fight for them.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 As Frederick Douglass advised: "Agitate, agitate, agitate!" The system we have now is simply not good enough, we as a people can do much better than this.
DAngelo136 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
Are you Canadian? What are your thoughts on Vermont passing single payer?
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 Nope. Great for Vermont. But just like Canada, the states will pass it first then we'll get it nationwide. It's inevitable and the Republicans know it.
DAngelo136 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
Yes it is inevitable. You can't hold down these ideas. As for the pre-existing condition debate. I'm sure almost all of us have some sort of health condition in some form. I walk with a limp because of an accident I had two years ago. It doesn't bother me, b ut if I were to ever buy individual insurance I would prably be banned from getting it.
Employer based benefits cannot deny someone like me because of a bad leg, but if I went privaste: Watch out! I'd be blocked.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
You know its great having health coverage through my employer, but even though that is great news--things must still change.
If someone loses their job, they lose their benefits. The Hammer7777 claims that people are lazy and don't want to work, but I think he is wrong. Most people want to work. We are having a huge unemployment crisis in this country, and just finding work is not the solution. Healthycare must be made affordable. Not all employers offer it.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
TheHammer777 talks some big words, but he is no different than any of us. Maybe one day, he could find himself in a recession, and I'd doubt he's still preach what he is preaching today.
Even amongst the insured, they are not even protected. Insurance companies don't always cover medical expenses.
So yes, regardless of what you hear about repeal, the New England States are the laboritories of universal healthcare. WE will all have Universal healthcare. Its a matter of time.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 As I told Hammer:"You have the best insurance? So you hope. Never had a problem? Yet. Health is a privilege? I take it that you don't have children and you are presently healthy. You sound like you are young-God bless you, because that can and will change." People call themselves "conservatives" and don't know why. I guess they want to be with the "in" crowd. The same crowd that has it "in" for them.
DAngelo136 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
Exactly. Right on! The Hammer can only see in the now, he doesn't know about tomorrow. I hope nobody gets sick, not even the Hammer, but he will learn soon enough that the insurance he has will one day screw him or raise his premiums as he gets older.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@DAngelo136
You know I have a lot of friends who work as volunteer fire fighters. Regretfully because of my leg, I would be no use to them now, but all the same I applaud their efforts and self sacfrice. I know firemen who risked their lives helping the common man, and all they get is a pat on the back.
You don't see them charging people for putting out fires or doing CPR.
And that's where the Hammer misses the point. Healthcare is no different than fire fighting. Its about life--not death
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 if u want something u buy it...simple
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@DAngelo136 fuck u faggot...i dont want the government to take care of me. ever. I was the poorest person u can imagine, Only About 12 Years Ago, making $5 A Hour....never took A Dime Of Assistance, even though I could have..i didn't have insurance then..i didn't bitch about it..i got a job, worked y way up and now i have it...freeloader
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Ah yes, its the "hammer". Well glad to see those elocution lessons really helped. Nobody's interested in your life story; I grew up in a tougher time than you did, in a worse neighborhood. So don't try to pull your "I grew up in poverty" card on me. Now regardless of where you grew up, you can't defend the present health care system intellectually, can you? Now unless you get some manners and do your homework and can have a real discussion , I'd suggest you STFU.
DAngelo136 22 hours ago
@DAngelo136 FUCKING COCKSUCKER, FUCK U ASSHOLE! I CAN DEFEND IT JUST FINE! IT SHOLD STAY THE WAY IT IS, AND WE SHOULD REPEAL OBAMACARE (AND IT WILL HAPPEN)...THE SUPREME COURT WILL ALSO STRIKE DOWN THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, RENDERING THAT LAW IMPOTENT (LIKE YOU) AND THAT'S A GOOD THING..FUCK U ANC COMMUNISM ASSHOLE...STOP SUCKING DICK
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Vermont already passed single payer, you lose!
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 good for vermont..fuck that place! He Won Many Times in pa when he wasn't expected to...and it took a conservative like Bob Casey to beat him...he's fine with me..he is my choice in this race..the only true conservative, the way i see it...
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Whether Obamacare gets repealed is not the issue. The point of the matter is that Universal healthcare is here to stay. Govenor Shumlin of Vermont got overwhelming support from the Vermont people to pass single payer. Are you now going to say Vermont is full of commies? Mitt Romney got overwhelming support for Massasschusetts to get a mandate that everybody buys insurance. THat's right, people are buying it. Its not free, dickweed.
And I believe in free speech.
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 good, i really dont give a shit about vermont..if they want that its their problem. YES, VERMONT IS FULL OF COMMIES. AND MITT ROMNEY IS A FUCKING COMMUNIST! i hate liberals, and i hate RINO's more. In romneycare, people buy private insurance BUT IT IS SUBSIDIZED BY GOVERNEMNT. I AGAINST ALL SUBSIDIES...YES, THAT INCLUDES OIL SUBSIDIES.....IF SOMEONE WANTS A PRODUCT THEY SHOULD BUY IT ON THE OPEN MARKET
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 ASSHOLE
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@DAngelo136 AND I CAN PULL ANY CARD I WANT U FAGGOT..NEVER SAID I WAS IN A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD..I WAS ACTUALLY IN A VERY NICE 1 DICKWAD
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Well I have health insurance too. I'm in a good job also, but the point is that not everybody does. We should help those less fortunate.
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 No, people should help themselves. This isn't socialism here...it's every man for themselves. I dont hate America...i like that we are the only country without social medicine...i like that we don't use the metric system...i like that we have Capital punishment..we are unique, and a center right country...i hate Europe and dont want to be like them. 1. Kill everybody at Guantanamo. 2. make prisoners work in jail to pay for their care. 3. Stop paying for congress's health care.
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
What about the elderly? Do you want them to also buy insurance instead of getting it free frpom medicare?
What about soldiers? Should their VA benefits be taken away from them?
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 YA, we should privitize Medicare definitly. My pop is 70, and he could use Medicare but he doesn't even bother with it..he prefers his own private insurance. I don't think the majority of states will do what those crazy liberal states did. The majority of the country doesn't even like the milder, more private based Obamacare. Yes i am forced to pay into Medicare and SS but I wish i wasn't..i hate both programs. They violate the 10th Ammendment..we should privitize both
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
What about the armed forces? Should they be given free VA healthcare in your opinion?
pluto4847 18 hours ago
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@pluto4847 And as for soldiers, if they are injured on the job they should be treated, much like Workman's Comp in a civillian job. If u fall off a ladder at Home Depot, u receive Workan's Comp....something similar is fine for our troops but should be done privately, not through VA
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
So here's a scenario and just hear me out please. Lets say you had a son born with a pre-existing medical condition. Lets say he was badly brain damaged. When he grows up, he can't work.
So does he deserve free medical care from the taxpayer?
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 no, about that "son" scenario
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Really? So you are saying that your only son weould get no healthcare, or as a responsible dad would you pay out of pocket for him to survive?
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 yes
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 I'd have him Marry a Rich wife, LOL
TheHAMMER77777 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777 You say that the 47 remaining states would not follow Massasschusetts, Vermont, and Hawaii.
But I did some research on this one. It appears that the blue States want some form of Universal healthcare.
California wants to pass a single payer called California One Care--One Care for all, for less money.
As it stands now, Massasschusetts has the best healthcare, and if you ask the people there if they like it, you will get an overwhelming YES.
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Awww why do you hate Europe so much? Europe is a great place. My wife is british, and we traveled all over. I got to go to Amsterdam, France, Germany, Scotland. Well, Scotland's not that great, but all the other countries I mentioned are.
I had a lot of fun in Europe. You should go sometime. Its a true adventure.
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@pluto4847 As to Europe, after I see all 50 states and everything there is to see here, then I'll worry about visiting other countries..I did recently pass thru Canada...didn't like it at all....everything was expensive..people there grumbled about them taking out Almost Half their Paychecks In Taxes..people were very polite uo there, I noticed..food wasn't that good though...Buffalo wings are only great in Buffalo
TheHAMMER77777 17 hours ago
@pluto4847 HAHAHA..looked up on this California crap...not gonna happen..it covers illegals...a friend of mine from San Diego Spoke to Duncan Hunter, who Said it has 0% of passing in Cali. So forget that...as for CT, I'll believe it when i see it. VT has something going into effect In 2017, but i would expect no different from a state that has a communist senator
TheHAMMER77777 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
No no no, CT doesn't want single payer. There is a proposal for a CT public option health insurance that can compete with private insurers. It doesn't mean it is going to go through, but it is being discussed on the CT table.
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Vermont wants a Federal waiver from Obamacare so they can have single payer hopefully by 2014. The aim is 2014, but currently it has pushed to 2017.
I guess it all depends who wins the 2012 election. Either way, VT will get single payer as it was already passed, but when the law takes effect is anybody's guess.
If Mitt beats Obama, I think Mitt will repeal Obamacare, but he will still allow States to test their own healthcare methods.
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
I hope I'm not spamming, but look. I don't think Obamacare is the best solution out there, but it is a possible solution to the current healthcare crisis we have now.
I think Obama should have gone further with a public option, and what he is doing is simply this: He wants everybody to buy their own insurance so everybody is treated equal. It is exactly identical to Romneycare which is why I believe Romney would lose to Obama.
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@pluto4847 you mean treated equally, not treated equal. And under Obamacare, the individual mandate is 1 problem. My main problem is that IT IS SUBSIDIZED. I dont like the robin-hood socialism aspect of taking from 1 and giving to another. Yes I hate Romneycare too...Romney is almost a carbon copy of Pres Obama and thats why i would never vote for him, or Pres Obama. If Romney Wins the nomination, I guess I'll just write in someone
TheHAMMER77777 16 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
I don't know if you can accept videos. I tried sending you a video about a community healthcare clinic in my hometown of Pittsburgh which is striving to help the uninsured in my community. If you have not received the video, please search for 1) Squirrel Hill Health Center.
My doctor is from there. He treats the insured like me, the uninsured, and the underinsured. I believe it is a model for good healthcare.
If you searcvh for it please tell me what you thin k.
pluto4847 16 hours ago
@pluto4847 No i didn't get anything from u? Anyway, if he's doing that good for him. I am just against anything subsidized by government, and socialism in general. Good for him though!
TheHAMMER77777 15 hours ago
@pluto4847 Public option (on a national level) would NEVER have passed and the President Knew it
TheHAMMER77777 16 hours ago
@pluto4847 NO MATTER WHAT, I DON'T WANT MY NEIGHBORS TAKING CARE OF ME, ASSWIPE..I DO EVERYTHING FOR MYSELF. FREELOADING COMMUNIST ASSHOLE..U WILL HAVE NO SUCH THING..FUCK U AND YOUR LABORITORIES ASSWIPE
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Than if you hate America so much, why don't you just leave?. I'm not trying to dig my heels in you buddy, but I think you need to go to a nice quiet place and calm down.
You hate people sponging off your m,oney, but let me ask you a question?
1) Why do you allow the evil doers at Guantonimo Bay get free healthcare?
2) Why don't you have a problem paying for the prison population's healthcare?
3) Why don't you have a problem paying for the Congress's healthcare?
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@DAngelo136
Whilst the Republican bitch in the house about repeal, little old Vermont hid in the background and finally passed single payer. That's a tremendous achievement if I do say so myself.
Regretfully, I am not from Vermont. I am from Pennsylvania. In this state they expect you to either buy coverage or get it from your employer.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING COMMUNISTS...I'd rather keep my Money to decide what to spend It on, then have the government run top-down stupid single payer garbage
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
You do show the classic signs of Narcisism. You demonstrate in your comments an inflated sense of importance, egoism, vanity, deceit, and unhealthy self absorbition that your beliefs are right, and everyone else is wrong.
Well that is a commitable mental health problem. You go spout your comments about the utter disregard of other people's rights, and you selfishly uphold yours.
Therefore, you have a pre-existing condition.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Salutes TheHammer7777, you were in the military. WOW! How does it feel fighting a useless war in Iraq and Afghanistan?
But you know, you are no better than anubody else. Have you ever fought fires? I guess those people are n ot as good as you.
I know several firefighters who selflessly gave their lives on the homefront so you and I could live.
So please leave the dramatics at home.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
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@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
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@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
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@TheHAMMER77777 "rights" I might add, that they were denied because they had a better tan than the rest of the local population. You live in relative comfort and security because someone,somewhere in some other time paid his taxes, took the time to elect people who were forward in their views and some paid the ultimate price for you to spout off. On behalf of those who came before you and did their civic duty: "You're welcome". Jackass.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Than keep your fucking money, you fucking dingo! I don't give a fuck. I read your posts and I hear nothing but bitching. You call everybody lazy asses, but I think you also benefited in some way shape or form by Government assistance.
Everytime you take your big fat ass and drive on the roads, some tax-payer paved those roads for your big fat ass! So don't be talking shit about how glorious you are, and how lazy other people are.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777
You believe in State rights? Good.
Did you know Vermont just passed single payer? Did you know the State of California is considering doing the same?
Did you know Massasschusetts has a State mandate that everybody buys insurance?
Did you know that if elected, Mitt Romney will allow States to find their own healthcare solutions? After all, your Hero Mitt founded Obamacare in the first place.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 MITT IS NOT MY FUCKING HERO! HE IS A FUCKING LIBERAL! I HATE HIM! I HATE RINO'S..THEYRE WORSE THAN LIBERALS! I LIKE SANTORUM! AND PREVIOUSLY I WAS FOR BACHMANN!
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777 I'm not spamming, but dude I am from fucking Pennsylvania. WE all know how crooked Santorum is.
He deliberately lied about his children's residence just so they could go to a prestigous school. If you want to vote for a fraud, than be my guest--Vote for Santorum.
But the people of Pennsylvania did not re-elect him to the Senate for a good reason. Do your homework before you judge people.
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
So Mitt is not your hero you say. Well the pollds says that more than likely Mitt is going to win the nomination, but he won't be able to beat Obama.
So either way you slice the pizza friend. Healthcare is here to stay in some shape or form.
The New England States are doing a pretty darn good job in getting people covered up there.
Vermont will get single payer.
Massasschusetts has a mandate that everybody buys insurance.
Conneticut wants a public option. Its done.
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 I HATE MITT WITH A VENGENCE! Connecticut hasn't done shit.....and if people want that shit in their states thats their problem...even if those 3 states have that shit, the other 47 will not, because Obamacare will either be repealed or the FEDERAL mandate will be struck down..beyond that i dont care what a few states do-thats their fucking problem..i dont live there....and if Mitt asshole Wins the nomination, i am not voting for or endorsing his liberal Massachusetts ass
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
So you hate Mitt Romney, that's your choice.
You say that you don't care what those other States do, but States like Vermont and Massasshusetts will be a model for other states.
Let me ask you another question, when you turn 65 are you going to sponge off medicare benefits. You know medicare is Socialized medicine for the elderly, anmd you are paying for it now buddy.
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Its sad that the Republicans don't have a strong leader.
Herman Cain--a sexual harrasment scandal
Rick Perry--a bully boy
Rick Santorum--a Fraudster and the Pennsylvania people know it
Ron Paul--wants the Churches to help the uninsured
Newt Gingrich--too fat, too old, and too scandalous.
Mitt Romney--just another Obama wannabe
None of these people can beat Obama.
pluto4847 18 hours ago
@pluto4847 Cain was awesome. Perry is cool/ Santorum is awesome. Paul is absolutely 100% right on that front. I dont agree with him on foreign policy though. Gingrich and Romney too liberal. Mickey Mouse can beat Obama
TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Ok here's another scenario, you see the doctor, he treats you, but oops he messed up and you are now worse off than before.
Does he still deserve to get paid for screwing up on surgery?
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@pluto4847 Well, there are lawsuits in that case, and he has private malpracrtice insurance so that will really be between what your, and the doctor's lawyers negotiate. I liked parts of Herman's idea. I like the flat tax..i think we should all pay at the same rate..not thrilled about a new sales tax though....what am i on trial here? ok, teacher, next test....
TheHAMMER77777 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Do you agree with Ron Paul that if you have trouble paying for your healthcare that you should go to your local Priest and ask him to help you. Do you thin k it is feasible that the Church should help the uninsured?
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
And as you like Rick Santorum so much, Pennsylvania's former Senator what are your thoughts on Health Savings Accounts? He afterall, authored health savings accounts. Is that that a solution?
pluto4847 17 hours ago
@pluto4847 GOTTA stop spamming dude..1-2 posts is enough. I think if A Church wants to help, good For Them. Well good for those blue states then...I Know most people want Obamacare repealled...Mass. also has high taxes...fuck that place. I have no problem with HSA's. If someone wants to go that route, good for them...that's their choice
TheHAMMER77777 17 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Interesting so you liked Cain's 999 plan? If so why?
pluto4847 17 hours ago
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TheHAMMER77777 18 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777 In other words, it has no real meaning other than to allay those opponents of the passage of the Constitution. It was a political move.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 fuck that shit...states rights baby..go fuck yourself
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Getting personal now, I see. So while you can't use logic, reasoning or history, you have to resort to the tool of the adolescent. SMH, the least you could do for the free education I've given you is to say "thank you" and be on your way.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Here is the complete citation: United States v.Darby 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941). Like Ron Paul, you talk a good game about the Constitution but never look up the court cases. He never quotes from "The Federalist Papers" or the controlling federal court cases on those controversies. Why? Because, it won't back up his skewered view of the Constitution. I found that case in 10 minutes, why can't he? Why can't you?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 go fuck off lazy communist..u just want free shit..get a job, and stop depending on me to pay for you...asshole
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Again with the profanity. Can't compete intellectually, so like a spent round, you just peter out. Pathetic. FYI, I'm a taxpayer, an entrepreneur, autodidact and gainfully employed. You see, my foul mouthed friend, a society is only as strong as it's weakest link. As Jesus said: ""But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed." (Luke 14:13)
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@DAngelo136 if u give people things u encourage dependency, dumbass. I dont want handouts..i want the govt to leave me alone communist..move to France
TheHAMMER77777 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Well I think you will discover that there is a great unemployment crisis in the US. I have two jobs, I get health coverage through my work, but many people don't. So I suggest you take your big fat rednexck ass and get the hell out of America, but I tell you one thing--once you leave, you'll be begging to come back--ASSHOLE!
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777
I suppose you will call the Fire DEpt a communist plot? YOu are a legend in your own mind, pal. You claim to be all high and mighty cause you served in the military, but even though Volunteer Fire Fighters may not have served in the military--they selflessly go around saving burnouts like yourself if you ever had a fire disaster. You don't hear them bitching, and they don't even get paid for it. So I suggest to you, get off your Big Inflated ego and grow the fuck up.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Go fuck yourself.
If you are so against Government programs than:
1) Fight your own battles. The police dept is publically funded and that's socialism.
2) Don't go to the library, buy your own fucking books.
3) If your house burns down, get out a garden hose and take care of it yourself. The fire dept is a social program.
4)And if it snows bad on your street I suggest you get your big fat ass out there and sprinkle salt on the roads. Road Crews are socialist.
pluto4847 1 day ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Do you pay for private security? Do you travel on private roads? Do you have a personal fire department? Guess what? You ARE expecting other to take care of your family. Police and fire protection, infrastructure and road maintenance are all part of the commons of which we all pay for. With money issued and backed by the...the...say it with me...government. One more thing, your industry is regulated by a government agency, I wonder why?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 What about American business? More companies are dropping coverages because they simply can't afford the premiums even at group rates. It comes down to this; do you believe that health is a privilege or a right? As an individual, what leads you to believe that you are not interdependent on others? What leads you to believe that you don't live in a quasi-socialist state already in which you thrive and prosper? Last question: If the private sector is such a better
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 choice, why is it operating so badly and why would any rationally self interested person choose to continue to use it?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Congress has universal health care, veterans, the poor and the elderly. Why not expand the coverage to all Americans and expand the pool and reap the benefits of lower costs, better preventave care and lower drug costs? Do you see any other country emulating the American model of health care? No. That should tell you something.
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777 Nobody's asking you to take care of anyone. Why do object to doing what you're already doing and paying more for the same thing you could get like other industrialized countries? You already pay for the millionaires in Congress' health care as well as their families. Why can't you have the same thing that they have? And they work for YOU. Afraid of being called a "communist"?
DAngelo136 3 weeks ago
@TheHAMMER77777
Than I'm not going to take care of you anymore. We should all stop paying taxes so someone like you can't benefit from them.
You are such a hypocrite!
Oh you are so high and mighty and everybody should kiss your feet!
Hell No!
pluto4847 1 day ago
@pluto4847 FUCKING ASSHOLE FUCK U AND SOCIALISM...WE SHOULD KEEP AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY AS POSSIBLE..U DAMN COMMUNIST LAZY FUCKING FREELOADER, FUCK U UP THE ASS U COCKSUCKING BITCH..AND STOP SPAMMING THIS PAGE OR I WILL REPORT U TO UTUBE FAGGOT
TheHAMMER77777 22 hours ago
@TheHAMMER77777
You know I know several of volunteer fire fighters who selflessly gave their lives for assholes like you. All they get is a pat on the back, but you are only concerned with money and hoarding it all for yourself.
And those Private Health insurance buddies of yours, do you think they actually give a fuck about you.
I have health insurance the same as you, but that doesn't mean they will cover you when you get sick. Think about that one.
pluto4847 1 day ago
The initial premise in this video is a little bit off... "How many people should have access to health care?" Everybody does, however a large portion of those 47 million without health insurance are able to afford it but choose to put other things before paying for insurance each month.
HBKatlanta 5 months ago
@HBKatlanta nobody ever gets denied in an emergency
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@ FatTony726: Health care is not like Starbucks or grocery chains...it is NOT a market good...the reason it should NOT be for-profit is because you never know when you will need to access the health care system...what if somebody is in a car accident through no fault of their own? What if they are uninsured or underinsured? Those costs are then passed onto people who have insurance and/or are healthy, which jacks up their monthly premiums. It is an inefficient and unfair system.
ilovemycat00 5 months ago
@ilovemycat00 It is a market good..someone has to pay for the research that goes into it and the providers..this is done (like everything else like inventing the computer, or car) by the private market with a desire to make A Profit...nothing wrong with this
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
I'm a democratic socialist pretending to be a conservative republican, and I support single payer healthcare.
Figila001 6 months ago
I like the idea of health care for all. The only problem is, really how does it get paid for? Based on the video some of the taxes would come from companies and top wage earners. These people got to the top by being "good" business people. Not to say what they do is good or moral it's how one plays the game. So the thought that they would be paying in without it effecting the general public is very naive. The trickle down theory. We will always end up paying more. Not to say how the system is n
1seanalba 6 months ago
Are you nuts? If there is no out of pocket expenses. Then there is no incentive to save on health care.
FatTony726 8 months ago
@FatTony726 <-- Believe me, they have this worked into the system in the VA care and it's a problem easily solved. HEALTH CARE is the ONLY THING we ever BUY IN America that we agree to with NO CLUE what they are going to charge us until it's too late. IS THIS NOT NUTS? Look up "NO Insurance MRI". The "out of pocket" pmts. are often the total value of the procedure, so that Helath Ins. Pmts to them are PURE PROFIT. Now THAT is a wrong incentive.
BilkedToTheBrink 3 months ago
@coolbreezed You're a fucking moron if you don't believe in Universal health care for all. All the evidence clearly state that UHC would be better then the current system.
NYC1E1 8 months ago
@NYC1E1 i dont believe in it..fucking moron..every man for themselves
TheHAMMER77777 3 months ago
@TheHAMMER77777
"Every Man for themselves.' Is that what they taught you in that military of yours, but wait? You were in the military. I bet you get VA benefits!
pluto4847 1 day ago
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Chidanandaji 10 months ago
V.A. Hospital benefits are great!! I was young, dumb and so entered the military when I was 20. Just because I did that, I received LIFETIME SINGLE PAYER healthcare (and dental) for 4 years of being taken care of by the Army and trained on heavy equipment ops! So tell me again how single payer is bad??? I have perfect health and teeth because of it and oh yeah, when I am old, I can live in a VA nursing home plus be buried for FREE in a National Cemetery of my choosing with a 21 gun salute.
p4h10oso 10 months ago
@p4h10oso what its bad you entered the military?!?!?!?! And shut ups those benifits are only for military members and vets we would we want civilians to have that?
fbibarbie 3 months ago
Note to all collectivist commentating. You all can start? your own communal living system right here in the US! There are enough you big government liberal no experience morons both rich and poor. So why not just do? it? What are you waiting for? Hollywood liberals, law school liberals, professors, and politicians. You can do it here in the United States and have community healthcare! Just don't put a gun? to MY head and FORCE me into it. I will sit back to see just how well it works....
AroundSun 11 months ago