EVE Online - Sacrilege vs Hurricane

[1r0nbane]

Sacrilege! FTW! I love that ship and I miss the one I lost in a wormhole.

[zuckertube]

Your using it as a missile boat? wtf

[HoochieMen]

nice fusion-funk :)

[HoochieMen]

nice funk :)

[opium25]

The worst tune in the history of the world

[awylh]

wasnt even close

[ptdave20]

Should have swapped for hams, your dps would have been better. I love a HAM sacrilege more than a Heavy Missile one.

[MetaVita]

So you almost lost to a T1 BC to your Sac... lol.

[vett3l0l]

its shamefull that the cane wasnt doing so bad

[s0mveraa]

yeah, a pvp sacrilege without dual rep is well....sacrilege..the plate tho ....wtf man, didn't anyone ever tell you don't active and passive tank at the same time? :P

[AmarrStriker]

This Sacrilege fitting is complete crap .... dual repair , ONE hardener (not even an energized adaptive resistance and a plate). Seeing that I don't even wanna see which rigs are placed ... or well em+thermic rigs ? :D

[erik28com]

Nothing wrong with a dual rep on a sacrilege. The thing gets a bonus to cap recharge and uses weapons that don't take any capacitor. It was built for dual repping.

[AmarrStriker]

I didn't comment the dual rep , but the hardener instead of an energized adaptive.

an EANM would be much more efficient

[brewcakes]

i know more than everything

[rhodiuz]

everything is everything, therefore logically, you cannot know more than everything.

[brewcakes]

pure meta5 fit - sac will wtfpwn a zealot any day

[gallente4TW]

aye ancient, that is the eve way. solo pvp used to be such fun though.

[Rynx214]

correction: if the drake or nighthawk manage to mount a medium neut and still keep their own tanks up, the sac will lose. A friend smugly reminds me of when he did this...

[Rynx214]

I've tested this a lot, and the answer is the Sac's fitting. If the pilot fitted a single rep and 1600mm plate, he will lose over time, but if he went dual rep and cap stable it'll be a stalemate vs any drake, nighthawk, or onyx. None of them can break its active tank.

Most sac pilots don't do this because it has such a low EHP, is the thing. The sac requires a different fit for large fights so it doesn't get alpha'd.

That being said, It'd tank an onyx any day, probably with one repper.

[mikemorgan712]

In fact i know I'd destroy a sac in an onyx, it tanks harder than a nighthawk due to better base resists and an insane recharge time. Also it would do enough damage that the sac would have to use both reps, or at least perma run one and pulse the second it would cap out fairly soon.

[mikemorgan712]

It does in 0.0 a bubble on the highs and a webber on the mids.

[mikemorgan712]

"There was a poll on some site which rated the Sac as the best non Bs ship,"

That's funny because the onyx does more dps (about +50 dps) and has a better tank, more than double the EHP and about the same sustained defense but it's cap stable so your not screwed when you run out of cab booster charges.

[Rageos]

You're silly, the Onyx has no tackle.

[Sargethepyromaniac]

Infini-point and a webber mebbeh?

[VarykGerai]

@mikemorgan712 and can fit bubble / sick ass point

[gallente4TW]

Rageos, that's incorrect. I always fly point/web/mwd drakes and have raely been into armour before popping my opponent.

You don't mention 18m sp's in missiles, top imps and hw, let alone 5 years of pvp experience.

The Sac WILL lose eventually. I fly both ships and am maxed in all races. I have flown both Sac's and Drakes in combat. There aren't many situations where a battlecruiser will take on, let alone win, against a HAC. The Drake however, IS one of them.

[Rageos]

I don't care if you have all level 5s, the drake doesn't have the firepower to take out a well fit Sac. Even with damage mods. And the other way around of course.

[gallente4TW]

well, that's a shame because you should care. lvl5's make a bunch of difference.

anyway, the skinny is that a sac will eventually run out of cap charges and will die. i'll prove it to you if you wanna meet up in lo-sec. reply that you're game and we'll arrange it.

[Rageos]

Are you even reading? "The Sac won't have to cap boost to put up with the Drake's futile damage due to the Sacrilege's speed and resists" Jesus fucking Christ it's like talking to a wall.

[Rageos]

And you totally missed what I was trying to say, with your first remark. I didn't mean that Level 5s make no difference I mean that even with all level 5s it's not enough firepower.

And no I'm not gonna spend hundreds of millions fitting a ship to prove your ass wrong cause I know I'm right and I don't need your approval.

[ancient593]

wow maxed in all races.

[Rageos]

Zooming in, learn to do it.

[gallente4TW]

Hellfire, flame on mate, but you are relatively new to EvE aren't you?

There isn't a single ship in EvE that will beat all others. EvE pvp is about picking your fights or working together with a gangmate or buddy.

Sure a Sac is a good solo boat, but it's relatively low dps is what balances it up with it's superb tank. The plater-Maller is also a good laugh. Try it.

[HellfireSarge]

ive played for about a year, and i know how to play, i know there isnt one almighty god ship or else most pirate tards would be whoring them like a vagabond,

i dont agree with your drake claim, given a rediculous amount of time it might prevail but in that time the sac could get out of range and warp off,

i Know about picking fights, before quantum rise ruined stealth bombers i would have a lot of fun popping the frigates/ occasional ceptor at a gate camp in 0.0.

[gallente4TW]

Drake will and can beat a Sac mate. I know because I've been in both ships on the winning and losing side. A HAM Drake will give a HAM Sac a damn close fight, but a HML passive Drake will sort out a Sac I would say 70-80% of the time, should the pilot know what he's doing. And that is with a web. *hint* ew drones are the way forward :-)

Thanks for not geting all boned up and arsey in here, it's refreshing to see. Nice one.

[Rageos]

You're fucking silly, a Drake against a Sacrilege is a stalemate. The Sac won't have to cap boost to put up with the Drake's futile damage due to the Sacrilege's speed and resists. But the Drake will be able to take the 350 some DPS that a Sacrilege has at the same time.

Don't think that just because you have a cap booster fitted, that you NEED to use it. And the Drake doesn't have a point or web, and if it does it's tank will fail so that's that.

[ancient593]

okay, i don't know where you guys are getting at. It doesn't matter what ship you in, only the pilot that is important and the choice that makes that ultimately win a battle. Plus if you are 1 vs1 in pvp, you arne't pvping right. serioulsy why pvp 1 vs1 when i can get a bunch of my friends and pwned that guy?

[Kaninerness]

WOW your stupid. cus everybody can kill a drake with 10 mens but if its 1 vs 1 it actually makes the fight interesting, you get a kick, and you need to overload weapons / think what you do so on.

fleet battle = no skills

solo pvp = skills.

[peezly]

i have to agree but when i try to solo wether in my rook or cerb, no matter what u tend to run into at least a 3 person gang.. anything from can flipping to 0.0 or low sec runs

[wraithguardian]

I dont realy know, or care about the loadouts used but nevertheless I am surprised the cane lost. Saci s a good ship but it shouldnt be able to beat a cane unless cane pilot is a noob without good skills, which gets me to the point - dont fly a ship if you arent PERFECT with it, "good" isnt enough in this game, you need to be PERFECT.

[Voids2006]

thats jus the problem these days isnt it?

people only play to win.

not to have fun.

[stoyandavitch]

winning is fun

[prophetxyrael]

Not everyone thinks waiting for 300 days to get everything to t2 equiv is fun. A lot of people like to start minnie cov ops nub characters to start pvp quickly because they know it's boring.

Besides, the Cane was obviously ratting, you don't need perfect skills to fly a ratting ship. Takes basic drone and navigation skills to rat 0.0 in a thorax or rupture and it's a lot more profitable than a 150m isk HAC or 250m BS

[OriMedian]

@Voids2006 EvE makes you rage if you're a low-life moron and makes you lol hard if you're a casual winner :l

[gallente4TW]

Uh-uh. Drake vs Sac. Given time the Drake will in once the Sac has run out of either cap charges or buffer.

Buffer tri-marked Harbinger will also give a Sac a run for it's money, and flown properly will win.

[HellfireSarge]

i fly cruisers whenever i am in 0.0 as they are cheap and easily replaced, i do admit my claim was a little arrogant, and i apologise, it is a rarity you find full skilled BC players on their own, removing my claims validity,

There was a poll on some site which rated the Sac as the best non Bs ship, weird but i would like to see a fight between a deimos/ishtar or a zealot against a SAC

thanks for showing me the error of my ways, what is your ingame name btw? ill drop you an eve main

o7

[gallente4TW]

Aye, cruisers are superb for a young'ish character. They are cheap, insurable and a lot of fun. I used to [still do sometimes] fly plated Vexors or Mallers. You're right about solo players too. I solo'd for about two years before giving up and rejoining a .0 alliance. Am back solo again atm, but just running a few missions here and there whilst RL takes a front seat. Imo, Zealot would own a Sac, Ishtar, not too sure. If had sentries prolly. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sac, lol.

[Sargethepyromaniac]

Omen navy issue is the new zealot =(

[Rageos]

Ahahaha no.

Omen navy issue has mediocre resists and no range bonus.

[Sargethepyromaniac]

Omen navy issue also does more dps and had a drone bay to get rid of the annoying tackling frigs, something a zealot has issues doing from my experience

[Rageos]

A Zealot pilot who lets a frigate get into effective orbital range is a bad pilot. I have never had this problem, even with interceptors. Drones on a ship without bonuses aren't a viable offense.

[Sargethepyromaniac]

But they can put frigates off, or make them drift away so your lasers can track them.

[Rageos]

A Zealot can one or two volley most frigates that are 15-45km away, and with an MWD and proper engagement tactics this isn't very hard to achieve. A Zealot should never warp to 0.

And don't worry I'm not saying the Omen Navy Issue is a bad ship or useless, but it's not comparable to a well fitted HAC.

[outpostprime]

um.. any good amarr pilot gets their cap skills to max! I don't use cap boosters on my sac and use a buffer/active tank setup. 8096 armor with 80~92% resists 182 sig radius. 415dps according to eft :). 214 tank

I have battlecruiser IV (soon V 20d QQ) and fly drakes to solo lvl 4 missions. I'm 100% sure a drake can't beat a sac. The drake even with hams would never break a sacs tank before it runs out of missiles.

Sac would just tracking disrupt the harbinger and it'll never touch it so meh.

[gallente4TW]

@hellfiresarge.

the sac is not purely a HAM boat. It was redesigned for use with both HAM and HML. I fly a sac and will never put HAM's on it because there is no fof option with HAM's

[HellfireSarge]

Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Heavy Assault Missile damage and 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level

Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 5% reduction of capacitor recharge time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level

Hate to burst your bubble, sacs are meant to put HAMS on because thats the bonus it gets

[gallente4TW]

I am fully aware of the SAC's bonus'. Re-read my post. I said it is not PURELY a HAM boat. I then went on to say that I don;t us HAM's because there is no HAM fof's.

[DeathTripp666]

for being a ratting cane it did a good job tanking your ship props on the nice kill

[Ph33NIXx]

your the hurricane pilot?

[DeathTripp666]

nope but i do fly a hurricane but not for ratting or missioning

[Ph33NIXx]

ah well ive been flying the rupture for some time... got a good fit now, or a fit i know how to fly with :D ill buy my first Hurricane today

[DeathTripp666]

pvp or missioning?

[Ph33NIXx]

pvp :D

[DeathTripp666]

stick with the rupture unless you have signature analyst at least to 4 cause the lock time is slow for the hurricane

[Ph33NIXx]

thx.. ill keep that in mind. thx for the advice ^^

[DeathTripp666]

anytime

[outpostprime]

>:D Got my SAC last week. 3 months of skill training. Only another 67 days before I can say I fly it perfect xD. Can already pwn other hac's :P.

I'd get rid of that armor plate. Put on 2 energized nano adaptive II and dmg ctl 2. 2 T2 repair mods and 2 nanobot rigs. With that nothing below battleship can touch you.

[muldreck]

im sorry mate but im going to have to disagree with you...1600mm plated sac is the way to go...full set of t2 hams get about 450dps with good tank, that way you do have a chance of taking on bs's...9001 armor dual rep and good resists, med cap inject with 800 boosters...trust me i fly the sac with maxed skills :)

[muldreck]

cool tune, i fly the sac, that seemed a little low on the dps, plus it looked like heavy missiles as apose to HAMS..could just be my eyes tho lol

[zaphyric]

If I remember correctly, it was T2 heavy missiles, so yeah... o.O

[kevad95]

@zaphyric this ship got bonuses to heavy assault missiles and you don't use them .... ^^

[megamarsvin]

Could just be me but that music made my ears bleed ^^

[evnnns]

bro, you GOTTA speed up your videos...

[mattmatt115]

No dont, the fast videos ruin the realism of EvE

Nice kill, i am currently training for curse and i have some corp mates training for falcon, zealot, vaga and rapier

we plan kill people in the face

[zaphyric]

I don't plan to, but what I really need to do is to remember to load Fraps more often. It's been ages since I frapsed some pvp. 1vs1 is almost impossible to get in 0.0 too.

[mattmatt115]

You want a good laugh, go in to M-O (Morsus Mihi space) and check out their style of pvp

You go in solo and they jump in 30 man blob with 2 nyx's and other carriers along with about 50 fighters.

Its absolutely HILARIOUS and after all that i cloak up and laugh at them in local and they call me a chicken for not cloaking and not fighting.

Its fun for a good laugh bro

[evnnns]

Bruce is better, 80 man gangs that shut down constellations =)

[XDawn117]

@mattmatt115 lol ive been training up a sliepnir and i got it got 1 kill with it but i didn't here my fleet command say get out and got ass raped lost like 800m

[mattmatt115]

@XDawn117 I stopped playing. The game is ruined now, 1vs1 PVP is DESTROYED and i will never get sucked back into the vortex of drinking everynight and smoking weed and cigarettes everynight, playing eve...

I do however have 3 accounts idling away with between 40-55 mil sp

[XDawn117]

@mattmatt115 ya its true that 1v1's are destroyed but its still a fun game to play high infact im going to play now 

[mastachi3f1001]

proves how weak the sacs dps is

[HellfireSarge]

That Sac was loaded with Heavy missiles, its HAM boat, check out ragemaster6666's videos

for sac damage

[AK107]

Armor Tank ;)

[Sindrijo]

I think he has artillery fitted, would have hurt you more if he had fitted neuts and AC imo

[Rynx214]

The Sacrilege is the single most powerful ship below Battleship class. It will be a very long time until I can fly one...

[Morkreth]

gawd I love this video. Amarr pwning Minmatar.

Just how it should be >D

Long live the Amarr. Burn the heathens in righteous fire.

Zaphyric you did a good deed.

[zaphyric]

Thx mate, he tried to run when he was half way down in structure (2:25ish), but no one can escape the wrath or the Amarr ;) Guess what the bonus was...a shadow control tower bpc in loot :D

[Morkreth]

Yeah i saw him running there at the last min and was wondering how he was doing it since you had him webbed and scrammed.

It seems like he was trying to break target lock by moving away. It was too late by the time he tried it and that makes the kill even sweeter.

Grats on that tower blueprint as well. Well deserverd ;)

[DannyK426]

the cane wasn't webbed for the last minute or so of the battle.

Great fight zap!

[Seijimaru]

Lemme guess Mor, you're part of CVA? :D

[Franzel86]

poor fight ..

[Plankmeister]

Heh heh... shame we can't see much, but u totally pwnt him! :D

[zaphyric]

yeah, I kinda forgot to zoom in and stuff, but I'll do that next mkay? ;o)