NV A.1 - Cut shot vs. carom shot example

[MrJconnor2]

must be a pretty fast table to be able to hit the cueball that slow and still make the cut shot

[DrDaveBilliards]

@MrJconnor2

Actually, I would describe this table as "slow." Simonis cloth is probably twice as fast as the nappy cloth on this table.

[GetMeThere1]

So, the question is: Is the carom shot TRULY easier than the direct shot? Or is the difference psychological? You had a nearly 1 1/2 pocket width variation on your direct shots, but the first 4 carom shots had essentially no variation--the fifth you almost TRIED to throw away, and it still hit the 9 within 1/4 ball of the center.

Another interesting thing: men (especially, IMO) have a psychological aversion to cutting too thin. ALL your imperfect direct shots were hit too thick.

[DrDaveBilliards]

@GetMeThere1

The carom is about 10x easier than the cut, based on geometry and physics alone (i.e., not taking psychological factors into consideration). For much more info, see the June '04 instructional article on my website (billiards DOT colostate DOT edu)

Dr. Dave

[GetMeThere1]

@DrDaveBilliards : First, your August '04 article: Did you ever notice the bank --> combination shot in the corner, to set up a break shot, that Paul Newman made? He actually MADE that shot himself! Of course, they simply filmed him doing a lot of stuff--I think he was basically just knocking the balls around--and they caught him making that once in a lifetime shot (that no pro would even ATTEMPT).

A lot of such stuff is often listed on IMDb--I think that fact is mention in the DVD commentary.

[GetMeThere1]

@DrDaveBilliards : This raises the interesting topic of error--and gives a great example. Most common is distance: balls nearer the pocket vs those farther.

What about banking? I've always had the impression that making a bank amplifies error (beyond distance issues), but is that true? Surely, there are all sorts of added rolling/english/speed effects. Is there anything about a bank that--other considerations being equal--amplifies aiming error?

[DrDaveBilliards]

@GetMeThere1

FYI, I have some good material on "margin forerror" in the "cut shot" section of my FAQ page (at billiards DOT colostate DOT edu). I also have lots of good info on bank stuff in the FAQ page, including how fast speed can help consistency.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[GetMeThere1]

@DrDaveBilliards : Wow! What a resource. Sadly (IMO) most people interested in pool are not the "academic type" who might like to read and study that sort of material. OTOH, anyone who is dead in earnest trying to be a top player will DEFINITELY study it--if they can find it. I can only hope that more people zero in on these YT videos and fill up the comment sections with penetrating questions and expert opinions :)

[buffbeck]

I have your book and I have definitely improved my game, thanks. Even just to see the carom shots, that was always the last thing on my mind, but sometimes it is easier, and with your 30/90 degree rules, It is a whole lot easier to judge, the hardest part is speed and how low to hit a long stun shot.

[DrDaveBilliards]

I'm glad you like my stuff. Please help spread the word.

Agreed ... stun is difficult to control at larger distances. That's why its always best to play position with roll shots when possible.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[mysterio108]

(sorry for my english)

My problem is that i cant hit the ball of that way ( to hit with the white ball in the extreme of the other ball)

when i try to do it , the white ball does not hit the other

[DrDaveBilliards]

Then you need to work on your fundamentals. Go to my website (the link is in the text description of the video). I have lots of resources to help in the "Instructor and Student Resources" section.

Good luck with your game,

Dr. Dave

[ehsanul]

The carrom shots are easy when you hit slow with follow like that, and you're not trying to bank after the carrom. But when playing billiards, it's considerably more difficult, because when you hit harder, and you're trying to bank 3 rails to another ball, you have to take into account curving action due to the follow taking effect a little later on a harder shot, as well as throw and the spin induced by the carrom, as that affects how you come off the rail.

[DrDaveBilliards]

Good point. See the June '05 instructional article on my website (the link is in the video description). I illustrate a good method to account for speed effects with a rolling-CB shot.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[tuitenlabi]

very accurate.....

[DrDaveBilliards]

... and very easy (the carom anyway)

[buimc110]

Nice shot..........

[guitarbandit7498]

If the point of this video was to show that he could make these shots, great job. But why not explain the idea behind carom shots and share with people the formula for computing these shots? There's a simple way to figure out where to hit the carom ball, but he should tell people here. It would be more helpful that just seeing it for people who can't just spot the correct point of contact by glancing at it.

[DrDaveBilliards]

Not all of my clips are designed to be stand-alone. Many of them support my book and/or instructional articles. For illustrations, background, and explanations concerning this video, see the June '04 article on my website.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[guitarbandit7498]

Allow me to apologize. I looked a little further after making my comment and realized you had a whole slew of videos and I see what you mean about the video supporting the articles. Good job. Many people play pool for years and never realize simple little formulas for making shots like the carom you're doing here.

[DrDaveBilliards]

No apology is required, but thank you.

I hope you find my website useful.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[adsfdgfhfh1324354657]

Wow you're really good. Nice table

nice video

[pooler4ever]

you went to quick for the carom shots. no practice strokes.

[DrDaveBilliards]

I did that on purpose to show how easy it is. The margin for error is huge compared to the cut shot. See the June '04 instructional article on my website for more info. The link to the website is in the video description.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[SexBirdCake]

This is indeed a very good point. I think I will have to remind myself of this a little more often. I will check out your other vids as well.

[SickDrummer24]

nice table =)

[Dagelijksbrood]

good point indeed

thanks dave

[mtaygoldin]

what`s the point with this?????? i`d like to see you play in a tight pocket table...

[DrDaveBilliards]

One point is that sometimes carom shots are good alternatives. For more points, see Section 3.04 in my book ("The Illustrated Principles of Pool and Billiards") and the June'04 instructional article on my website.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[Dagelijksbrood]

I've been reading some proofs (e.g. to proof this principle) on your website Dave, and this is the best material about the physics of pool I've ever seen...great work! Thank you & greetings from Belgium!

[knightsbishop121]

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[knightsbishop121]

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[leivapunkrock]

eres tontiko?

[solidgino54]

how come you dont take time to set up for the carom shot?

[DrDaveBilliards]

... to help make the point that the margin for error is huge with the carom shot. It takes very little effor to make the carom, whereas, the cut is very difficult.

[DBA1982]

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