Before America was in WW2 many Americans volunteered themselves to go over there and fight not on behalf of their country but on behalf of humanitarianism. Why can't we simply do that. I mean yes we do get into WW2 because we were attacked and Hitler became so powerful that he was a threat to America but since Libya isnt a threat to America then we shouldnt use our taxpayer money to intervene unless it becomes the interest of us as a nation to do so.
we should not be over there at all as a prior U.S. army vet these people hav been living in these conditions for 1,000's of years and not the U.S nor anyother nation is going to be able to stop these people from killing eachother sad to say but very much the truth.
So, no that it is all pretty much all said and done, I wounder if Penn's views are the same? Going into the war I was against it, as I had no idea how long it would go on for, what it would cost us and if we would have made the situation better or worse. But now that it is done, costing the US $2 billion (about 1/1000 of the Iraq war), the war was over quick which likely saved thousands of lives and the Libyan people are freed. Though, I don't think that makes the general policy good.
I wouldn't be surprised if NATO stays in Libya for another few years. Judging by our record in the Middle East, it seems entirely plausible. Also, are we going to bomb the fuck out of the next guy there who does something we don't like?
Obama is a war criminal and should be prosecuted by the ICC along with Benjamin Netanyahu.
All revolutionary era speeches, documents, ect... include tons of arguements agenst foreign intervention (and for freedom) specifically because they had been oppressed by a foreign power. But after WW2 we became the strongest nation and saw the benefits of that influence, and will not give it up.
The Idea of freedom is still a strong US principle. If we can help free people without US deaths and for under 2 billion $, then ok. Many died in Iraq and it cost a trillion $, so many opposed it.
tnc is not any better than the same old regeim of paying paracitic bankers, selling oil to other rich bankers, the bankers givein $ to the phyco path child murders so they can buy more weapons, the same regiem is still there, just there is more murdered people, its just people fighting over oil, stealing oil, and selling it to rich lazy paracitic bankers, stealing banks, printing themselfs money, the poor get poorer, arrested, tortured, or killed. prices rise for the poor,
There's a dictator 90 miles from us but we go around the world to "free" people... yeah right. If Cuba had oil we would have conquered/freed them too but it doesn't so we haven't.
Way to go military industrial complex chalk up another dictator in the name of freedom.
@isellJesusinacan I guess you may be correct. Gaddafi was the appointed dictator for US in Libya until just recently I believe. God only knows what happened. It all depends on how you look at things and what the insiders know that we may not. At this point I'm so disgusted with the things I learn that it makes me literally sick.
Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy on Libya vis a vis Iraq. I think that is what you are feeling, cognitive dissonance at work.
There's also the fact that Libya was our enemy, then our ally, then our enemy... (similar to Iraq). We are at war with Eurasia, we've always been at war with Eurasia (1984). War is Peace (1984 again), etc.
I don't support dictators that violate the rights and freedoms of their citizens, but I also don't support democracy in and of itself, except to the extent that it protects those rights and freedoms.
That said, I will say I am a big fan of Gaddafi's personal style and wardrobe. e.g. an all female body guard squadron... is genius.
Hey Penn, this is not your area on expertise...Just stick to pulling rabbits out of hats, and sawing women in half...Don't try to understand the what's going on, just thank god you are American.
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I don't know why we are there either but I have a few theories; oil reserves, aquifers, or because they are the enemy of Israel? Who knows but it is wrong, if the people don't like their government they should be the one to overthrow the regime not NATO. It is a shame our government is going the way of ancient Rome with the help of Neocons, Neolibs and AIPAC.
@attemptingtobehumble libya accounts for about one percent of the worlds oil supply.we are not there for the oil.this is a humanitarian mission.we are preventing gadaffi from slaughtering all of the rebels.that's what obama says anyway.we have basically taken sides in this war.
@lightsoutnow30 I'm not very politics saavy but there's a video of Noam Chomsky (on yt) discussing governments choosing to intervene, and used the cold war as an example
to put it simply, governments intervene to open up that market. In the cold war, this was done in the name of democracy/communism when neither the US or USSR were truly democratic or communist
Darfur's civil war is sparked by the oil industry dividing the country. China has a hand in that oil. Intervening would be problematic
@MaxAC40 China has had its hands in other places like Korea, Vietnam, ect, and that has never stopped us. The biggest reason I see is the Drift in our government to do everything to please the Muslim population. I say that because Northern Sudan is ruled by Muslims and the South is controlled by Christian Rebels. God Forbid We enter and help defend the Christians. That in my opinion is the true problem. So When I hear this President talk, I just want to rip my flesh off, he's another pawn.
Everytime someone uses the tired argument of "it's humanitarian", I can't help but laugh out loud. Because as we all know, Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama has officially dropped more "humanitarian" bombs than all other Peace Prize winners combined. So he's uber humanitarian in that respect. But would we really care if we never heard about them to begin with? What about Saudi Arabia? Look at how they treat their citizens. "Oh, but they serve our interests". And that's what it boils down to.
Your not wrong for feeling that this fighting is wrong. Remember war is a business for the rich. Your right we are using money we don't have to kill people we don't know for reasons we don't understand. We should be using that money to shelter the homeless, feed the hungry and give jobs to the jobless here.
To save lives and help spread democracy. If we weren't there a madman who sponsored terrorism in the past would kill tens of thousands of innocent human beings fighting for their freedom.
That's why we're there.
It's funny that 'this' is really what a 'conservative Republican' now looks like. Someone who hates and/or fears the concept of law, government, and order itself with an unabiding passion and has contempt for our status as a world power.
Actually, we do know them. Lybians are responsible for numerous terrorist attacks that have killed hundreds of Americans around the world. But I think we could solve the problem by with one bullet in Gaddafi's head and getting some new leadership.
Furthermore, I'd like to say that it's totally fine that you don't want people bombed in your name, regardless of ongoing genocide. However, I'd posit that it's in the name of the innocents the ones we're bombing are trying to kill that this is being done.
I wouldn't say that we are spending money we don't have killing people we don't know for reasons we don't understand.
Sure, we borrowed (some) of the money, but it's still ours temporarily at least.
We know them well enough to know they're either shooting at us or civilians, and when it comes to life and death, that's all the more you really need.
And the reason is that we, as a nation, understand that when something you can't fight on your own attacks, there's nothing quite like the cavalry.
@TRDBaron You have to understand that Libya only exports 2% of all the world's oil. They are insignificant. We could make that up by opening a few of the dormant oil fields in Texas. I think that our politicians really believe that they are helping the people overthrow their leader, but you cannot assist someone else's rebellion. It nullifies the point.
@getoffmyhead "you cannot assist someone else's rebellion. It nullifies the point"
I've said this for quite a while, but I recently dawned on me that there is one resounding example to the opposite. The United States didn't do it on it's own. If not for the French and especially their Navy things could have turned out very different. One very important thing to note is the French didn't try to set up a puppet government.
its the Oil, I don,t see NATO rushing into Syria saving the people, or the Yemen , or Zimbabwe, or Korea, its the Oil always is always will be until it runs out!
We know that there is currently a rebel force seeking to oust Gadaffi so in that sense it is easier to support than Iraq. Gadaffi is using force against his people which is being reported. Libya has been more hostile to the U.S. than Iraq and has was a terrorist state (removed under some evil dealings centered around Lockerbie) , but I still assert that it probably is not within our best interests to be there. The only reason to be there is to deter slaughter, and it should be nothing more.
With Iraq there were concerns over security, but these concerns were backed by rather flimsy evidence before we went in. Bush's influence from his father who failed to deal with Saddam as well as Dick Cheney played a large part in his decision to go to war (not to mention his failure to prevent 9/11 with advanced notice). Though it was probably better for Iraq to be without Saddam and his genocidal tendencies towards the Kurds, it was not in our best interests to focus on Iraq at the time. Next:
I do not support Gaddafi but I think that if anyone should get rid of him,it should be the Libyan people not NATO or USA or any other foreign intervention.
@dylanmp21 Those "rebels" are some really mysterious characters.We don't even know who are they exactly.There are some monarchist,Al Qaeda envoys and other crooks in their council.Do those rebels even have a program for a post Gaddafi era???Something isn't quite right about them.
@RamicZlatan I'm glad it worked out that way. Now NATO and our guys and all our allies should get the fuck out. Let them choose their own course and if enough of them want our business then we should work. Until then STAY OUT!
We have to acknowledge we have no business interfering with matters that don't concern us, and assuming this really is about freedom and democracy then let them fight it out like everyone before them had to do.
I was in the Navy when Bush Jr. Slithered his way into office stationed on the carrier he used as a back drop watching his live campaign speech from a pier just off base, and man was I pissed to hear the guy talking about War and Iraq before he was even in office. Not being Pres, yet I called him an idiot. Then when I was out to Sea during 9/11 and after people were bloody nuts bent on dealing out death and judgement on anything Arab. I regret the character of those who replaced me though.
We're sending young men to die for people we don't know, for a cause that is unclear. My boy is 18 right now, I don't want him, or kids like him sent to die in a war against people who pose no real immediate danger to our country.
Presidential campaigns - Billions of dollars. Multi-year wars and interventions - Trillions of dollars. Being able to sell any old bag of horse crap to gullible journalists who want to believe and an indifferent population that doesn't give a crap - Priceless. ;)
It never ceases to amaze me at how uncritically and non-strategically people look at things like war on. As if All of the most powerful people in the world were just sitting in room debating on whether to go in. And apparently they think the debate goes something like this. Military: "Well, it's not in our interest and it hurts us". Political Advisors: "It's not good for us". Women: "Think of the children". President: "We must do this for the children". Grow up kiddies. Gullible press looove it)
What strategic interests are achieved for us regading the greater Middle East by having a stalemate in Libya? What are the effects on Syrias response to it's own people, Iran. Do we, through Libya now gain more control or leverage over the goings on in the Middle East (By being able to immediately alleviate or exacerbate the chaos?... Would it be wise for other countries or creditors to cause us problems when we have the remote control on chaos in a region who's ramifications can topple them...
For anyone who wishes to see, it is all too clear why Libya. The Middle East is of prime import to our economic security and strategic goals. Through the Middle East the future of the world can be influenced in many ways i.e. population growth, rising and spreading fundamentalism and theocratic (and violent) elements, oil - world energy/economy... Question: does anyone really think the best we can do against the Libyan 'army' is stalemate? No. So the question then becomes...continued...
...for us to solve or settle. It would take far far less exertion for us to save multitudes in s-s Africa because of the (different dynamics of what constitutes coherent fighting units and differences in rates of religious fundamentalism). Are there no atrocities anywhere else but the middle east. How little military exertion would it take to topple the Burmese military; can we not bomb the Gbagbo units in Ivory Coast just as we are doing to khadaffis forces? And so on and so forth...continued..
The operative statement is "for reasons 'we' don't understand. Many people think they understand but those are just theories. The reality is that somebody somewhere understands and those are the people who made the decision to go in. Humanitarianism is an added bonus, but If anyone thinks that the core of the decision to go in was humanitarian, the I would kindly ask them "Why then do we not ever get involved in Sub - Saharan African conflicts. These conflicts would be far easier ...continued...
Humanitarian? Yeah... sure. The fact that it also denies China access to low cost oil might also be a factor, YOU THINK!? Or are we still under the impression that China is our buddy because they make iPads? :-)
If our true purpose of intervening in Libya is to prevent civilian deaths, that is noble enough, but why now? Why aren't we in the Ivory Coast? Why aren't we in the Sudan? Why aren't we kicking our own asses out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
as always he makes valid points.....i personally believe we should not get involved in other countries problems... im okay with helping ppl... but not getting in there business.... im only for helping people tho if and only if WE HAVE THE MONEY TO AFFORD IT........we dont need more debt than we already have.... being in Libya is only making the hole we created for ourselves deeper......
My sister says she supports the bombing in Libya just as long as it stops at that.
Personally, I think the two wars being fought are enough trouble. We should at least wait until those wars are over before considering another war. If the U.S. was not at war right now, I would probably be more like my sister (support bombing but not infantry).
Every armament expended in Libya, or anywhere for that matter, might indeed be spending money the tax-payer payers could best use in social projects at home, but it's also money going into the pockets of the vendors who fabricate and maintain those armaments and the platforms that deliver them. The commercial lobby-elite and their democratically-elected representatives are laughing their asses all the way to the bank and that is the reason why people you don't know are being killed.
Killing people is something that governments do. At some point it is completely justifiable. Libya has a popular revolution going on at the time that we started bombing. It's just giving a nudge to help some people out that we like. I think that is different from Iraq, where Saddam basically had his country under control and was a pretty progressive leader (by regional standards). Bombing and invading Iraq just ruined a perfectly good country.
As usual things aren't as simple as they seem. As an American it'd be rather selfish to just sit there in your bubble and let the rest of the world suffer. If you were to be the first to have invented antibiotics you'd want to share it with the rest of the world too. Franklin D. Roosevelt said in his “Four freedoms speech” that the entire world has the right to live free. As a German I cannot thank Mr. Roosevelt and the American people enough.
We have very obviously switched into reverse, America is now what It promised NOT to be. Thats as far as it goes. So what do we do, we need to get a group of pissed off military men and women, to hold up the every major American epicenter on our soil with aims of peace and threats of violence. Works pretty well of the bull shit agenda "our" government is pushing, Anonymous would be a big help too. 20 MIL for an army nascar, 0$ for homeless vets, i guarantee the homeless vets would help.
We are there because France and England get a lot of their oil from Libya. They don't have the military might to force Gaddafi out of power. Unfortuately, The U.S. does. So we go there as a "humanitarian effort".
There are many countries slaughtering their own people atm. How many of them shall we visit?
I'm against the wars in Iraq , Afghanistan and Libya.You can comfort yourself about the nobility of your cause,but try telling the relatives of slain servicemen that.
Switching the camera angles doesn't change the words he's saying or the points he's making. If it REALLY bothers you, open up a new tab, go to Google Images and search 'Penn Jillette' and look at the fucking picture.
Changing cameras IS that bothersome. At least make the two backgrounds the same colour. Also, prepare! Rehearse it a little and cut it down to four minutes of actual content.
This is why I'm not a pacifist. I'm a libertarian and an atheist and I agree with just about everything you ever say, but you're wrong on this (And it's rather obvious that you are conflicted in your views yourself).
Sometimes, evil men have to be put down. Supporting a democratic revolution is not the same as forcing democracy on a people; The Libyan people rose up on their own. We should assist and encourage freedom when a foreign people demand it from their government.
@HeroofTime55 I totally agree with you. In fact if the U.S. hadn't gotten assistance from France in our own revolution we would have most certainly lost.
@HeroofTime55 Except there is no evidence this is a "democratic revolution". Arrogance is thinking everyone in the world wants the same system of you, if given a chance.
Libya is a Jihad. All these Arab states, will go devoutly Moslem. If there is democracy, it won't last longer than it takes to vote in the Sharia.
Not true. Most people in America are horribly misinformed about the Mideast. They take Afghanistan and Pakistan and paint the whole Muslim world with the same brush. You make the same mistake in my opinion.
@MrCleatsketch I am a citizen of one of those Arab states, and your statement:
"Libya is a Jihad. All these Arab states, will go devoutly Moslem. If there is democracy, it won't last longer than it takes to vote in the Sharia." is extremely arrogant.
@HeroofTime55 No - non-interventionist is the way to go, dont make enemies you dont need to. Libya under Khaddafi was already in the UN if you care about that POS. It is a matter of "the axis of evil". Venezuela better not revolt against Chavez, or we'll be there too. Who is coming to help America to help us? This place sucks a dick and is getting worse. We live in a prison country, you are one silly mistake that isnt even un-constitutional from being in the brig for a 20 spot.
@boredomkillerz So if an organised gang forces a shopkeeper to pay 'protection' money, and then uses it to pay off a politician, the shopkeeper was also guilty?
you mention alot about when this was recorded, any chance that you could either time stamp them at the start or put in the comments a 'recorded on 3rd April' or whatever? Just out of interest.
Obama chose this conflict to divert the publics attention away from domestic issues and gain points from the right. Simple as that. This tactic has been used by all presidents. It's just politricks.
Libertarianism + Pacifism = fail. Hello Revolutionary War much? Why arent you talking about the NC Liberty coins and how that dude got convicted of domestic terrorism? Hi ho silver!!!
If killing innocent people is a viable solution to deal with things that the government wants to stamp out, then Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, was moral and patriotic. He killed a hundred or so prostitutes. . . those evil evil prostitues that *shudder* sell services that some people want to purchase that the government does not like.
Support the war! Gary Ridgeway for President! He knows how to get things done, American style! I'm so sick of this.
fuck everybodys gotta stop bitching about libya! does anyone actually pay attention? it is very necessary and important that American helps out and Fucking news flash, it's not a war
@LibertyDownUnder according to people on the ground. . . thousands of members of Al Quaeda are amongst the rebels. We are literally fighting to put Al Quaeda in charge of one of the largest oil producing nations on earth. HELLO PEOPLE!!!! Libya also has a TON of biological weapons and other goodies we sold Gadafi over the years. He's bad as it is. . . imagine AL Quaeda with all of those goodies we sold Libya. This is madness. Utter madness.
@rockerguy567 If bombs are dropping and people are dying, and our military is orchestrating it. . . it's a war. It's just a bunch of slimely lawyer speak to call it something else. It's a war. Period. Liberals are selling out on this one if they support this. THis is just how Iraq and Afghanistan were sold to people by Bush. If you opposed those wars, you HAVE TO oppose this one as well, otherwise you are a hypocrite. Vietnam was the same freaking thing as well! Read your history books.
@rockerguy567 you'll pay attention when Ghadaffi retaliates with some of the military goodies we've sold him over the years. remember. When we went into Iraq, we had decades of sanctions on him and a previous war that had taken out most of his military. Iraq was like taking candy from a baby. . . and we still can't wrap it up. Libya has allies - allies with nukes. This could start WWIII if they keep this shit up. We need to stop these wars. It's wrong and it makes us VERY unsafe.
Yes we should go help prevent helpless people from being slaughtered. Yet fuck you CiA thinking about giving the rebels weapons. Didn't that bite us in the ass majorly before.
@And181377 Yeah but I think that was a very different situation and our motives were not the same. I'm not really certain what our motivations are right now either or what the exact situation is but Libya its not quite the same as the Soviets and the Afghan Mujahadeen.
@And181377 These "helpless people" are members of Al Quaeda who were using heavy weapons and jet bombers to attack strategic targets. I don't like Gadaffi at all, and wish he'd find himself at the end of a rope, but the libya thing is totally made up. The "rebels" are bascially a bunch of radicals that want to make Libya even more tyrannical than Gadaffi's nutjob regime.It's like replacing Ted Bundy for Hitler. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Just wait till Gadaffi retailiates.
@penpoint Ill ask you this a guy runs in your home with a shotgun and trys to kill your wife and kids..are you a passivise now? if you are you care nothing of un armed innocents..A bully understands one thing a punch to the head
@stompySharpNpointy THat's not true. It's no more true than when Bush claimed Iraq had WMDs. It's another lie to get us into another war to keep the miltary industrial complex making huge profits. That's all it is. The military contractors want to keep the gravy train going with endless war. I am sick of sending our fighting men into a meat grinder and killing innocent people abroad. We should be a nation of admiration, not a nation of brutality and evil. We have destroyed our name in the world.
iPad 2! I haven't been following this, but there are certainly good reasons to intervene in certain situations. I listen to the Hitch in these matters... I hate Robin Hood! He kills henchmen left and right, but he won't kill the damned sheriff! ASSHOLE!
This is different from Iraq in that we went to war with Iraq after they attacked Kuwait, our ally. We won and ceased in that war under conditions that Iraq did not comply with. Pres. Bush then got authorization from Congress to act, drew a line in the sand with Iraq and acted when they again refused to comply. Our patience at the time (post 9/11) was thin, but the process still took years. In Libia Obama fired 140 missiles, started a war withoug approval, has no exit plan and is bailing out
Technically, it is to avoid something similar to a genocide and the destabilization of a large region... But, it is not supposed to be job of the American government but rather the U.N. If the USA are a part of the UN operation, this is good, but...
I mean, using Nato is o.k., but here nato is use to shortcut the UN because of problems with the Soviet in the security conceal at one time.
@therrydicule You mean kind of like the genocide of 1 million + dead Iraqis that we were sent to "liberate"? Is that what you're talking about? The UN is who ordered this, man. . . and it is not their job. Their job is to be abolished. The UN pretends it's for peace, but it orders wars. It's just like Barry Soetoro the great deceiver getting a peace prize when he's even more war mongering than Bush. I'm sick of it. No more wars. Period. I don't care why they're waging them. No more. PERIOD!
@terramortim No, I was talking about Lybia... You know, it should be a peacekeeping operation, in some ways... Not traditional peacekeeper, tough, but still.
Now, don't get me wrong: I think Iraq is so susfu that it will need peacekeeper to work against the US forces.
Also, Lolo Soetoro is the step-father of Obama. I you look at the difference between Hawain&Inuit kinship system, you will understand that some have been confused and made a very grave error of translation due to naive-realism ;)
The biggest pet peeve I have with bombing libya is the claim that the liberal are only doing it for humanitarian reasons. Yet when we were in Iraq they bitching and moaning saying it was only for oil. What a bunch of fucking hypocrites, Saddam was just as evil or more evil than Gaddafi.
Here's why...corporations manufacture both the hardware and software used when the US wages war to open up/secure new corporate profits/resources around the globe. Most of, if not all equipment and manpower is bought from private corporations with the use of the budget=tax revenues without public approval. Profits made from "liberated" resources and weapons sales to the US Gov and other entities are always shared between the corporations-never returned to the budget. It's a two way scam.
I had to do a project on the US involvement in Libya a couple weeks back. As Gaddafi is a really crappy person and just killed people. Very little money in the economy goes to lower levels of society and obviously most of it goes to Gaddafi. America wants the Libyan Republic(pretty much the rebel forces) to over through the government since they want Democracy and one of the main Foreign Policy goals of the US is to spread Democracy. At least that's what they're teaching me.
@MrBambiHam My view is that we want to get Democracy into the country and get oil trade back from them. I still haven't picked a side to fight with though.
Whenever I don't know what to think, I do like every other American. I turn on the TV and they tell me what to think. If that's not good enough, I listen to my neighbors. The TV tells them what to think too. Then we get together and reinforce the idea that we are sane because we believe the same thing. It's easy. Any opinion outside of what the news propaganda tells you to think is clearly defined as insanity for conspiracy nut jobs. If Penn stops thinking for himself, life will be much easier.
WTFFFFFF!!!! STOP SWITCHING FROM ONE CAMERA TO ANOTHER!!!
warpedgaijin 1 month ago
And when I mean over there I mean Nazi Germany.
Tupacem17 1 month ago
Before America was in WW2 many Americans volunteered themselves to go over there and fight not on behalf of their country but on behalf of humanitarianism. Why can't we simply do that. I mean yes we do get into WW2 because we were attacked and Hitler became so powerful that he was a threat to America but since Libya isnt a threat to America then we shouldnt use our taxpayer money to intervene unless it becomes the interest of us as a nation to do so.
Tupacem17 1 month ago
Without French intervention the USA would not exist. Do any of you wish to repudiate the revolution?
onehairybuddha 1 month ago
we should not be over there at all as a prior U.S. army vet these people hav been living in these conditions for 1,000's of years and not the U.S nor anyother nation is going to be able to stop these people from killing eachother sad to say but very much the truth.
TFDFOX1 1 month ago
So, no that it is all pretty much all said and done, I wounder if Penn's views are the same? Going into the war I was against it, as I had no idea how long it would go on for, what it would cost us and if we would have made the situation better or worse. But now that it is done, costing the US $2 billion (about 1/1000 of the Iraq war), the war was over quick which likely saved thousands of lives and the Libyan people are freed. Though, I don't think that makes the general policy good.
Loathomar 3 months ago
I wouldn't be surprised if NATO stays in Libya for another few years. Judging by our record in the Middle East, it seems entirely plausible. Also, are we going to bomb the fuck out of the next guy there who does something we don't like?
Obama is a war criminal and should be prosecuted by the ICC along with Benjamin Netanyahu.
takethisyoufuckers 4 months ago
All revolutionary era speeches, documents, ect... include tons of arguements agenst foreign intervention (and for freedom) specifically because they had been oppressed by a foreign power. But after WW2 we became the strongest nation and saw the benefits of that influence, and will not give it up.
The Idea of freedom is still a strong US principle. If we can help free people without US deaths and for under 2 billion $, then ok. Many died in Iraq and it cost a trillion $, so many opposed it.
ch19079 4 months ago
good vid, but the changing of camera angles made it unbearable to sit through..
boogack 4 months ago
Getting in bed with Islamists that pursecute Christians and dark skin blacks
inabluemoon1 4 months ago
dude whats with all the camra changing its making me dizzy as hell you do it way to much, just do it maybe 2 or 3 times in the video.
babygirl91580 4 months ago
tnc is not any better than the same old regeim of paying paracitic bankers, selling oil to other rich bankers, the bankers givein $ to the phyco path child murders so they can buy more weapons, the same regiem is still there, just there is more murdered people, its just people fighting over oil, stealing oil, and selling it to rich lazy paracitic bankers, stealing banks, printing themselfs money, the poor get poorer, arrested, tortured, or killed. prices rise for the poor,
nicesocialgirl 4 months ago
Very simple answer:
The empire is conquering and taking oil.
There's a dictator 90 miles from us but we go around the world to "free" people... yeah right. If Cuba had oil we would have conquered/freed them too but it doesn't so we haven't.
Way to go military industrial complex chalk up another dictator in the name of freedom.
Dracenfelz 4 months ago
@Dracenfelz We did take over Cuba...
isellJesusinacan 4 months ago
@isellJesusinacan I guess you may be correct. Gaddafi was the appointed dictator for US in Libya until just recently I believe. God only knows what happened. It all depends on how you look at things and what the insiders know that we may not. At this point I'm so disgusted with the things I learn that it makes me literally sick.
Dracenfelz 4 months ago
"Teller said" Two words I never thought I would hear. ;)
Nervousification 4 months ago
@Obelivion1 OK PLEASE SEND THE TROOPS HOME cause we Americans don't want them there.
LandisXX 5 months ago
We're spending money we don't have to kill people we don't know for reasons we don't understand. LOL IM SUBSCRIBING
LandisXX 5 months ago
Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy on Libya vis a vis Iraq. I think that is what you are feeling, cognitive dissonance at work.
There's also the fact that Libya was our enemy, then our ally, then our enemy... (similar to Iraq). We are at war with Eurasia, we've always been at war with Eurasia (1984). War is Peace (1984 again), etc.
needstoregister 6 months ago
I don't support dictators that violate the rights and freedoms of their citizens, but I also don't support democracy in and of itself, except to the extent that it protects those rights and freedoms.
That said, I will say I am a big fan of Gaddafi's personal style and wardrobe. e.g. an all female body guard squadron... is genius.
needstoregister 6 months ago
elect Randy Franck President of USA.
wake up....... randysworldrtv . .. . .
join the revolation
Randy
randysworldrtv 6 months ago
just stop switching camera
j0j0kh 6 months ago 2
Hey Penn, this is not your area on expertise...Just stick to pulling rabbits out of hats, and sawing women in half...Don't try to understand the what's going on, just thank god you are American.
phoenix11994466 7 months ago
It is pretty easy to understand. Libya has 17 trillion dollars in proven oil reserves.
BlueStateChronicle 7 months ago
In 10 years Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Libya - Millions dead according to different stats. I have references for these as well (:
Nathan21122012 8 months ago
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America deserved 9/11. Fuck all the US troops currently oppressing the rest of the world.
MegaChairmanMao 8 months ago
LOL!!!! Obama ad on this Penn point!
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Sona5111 8 months ago
STOP TURNING BACK AND FORTH !
NateFosterSR 8 months ago
@NateFosterSR it's actually hard to stand in a closet and talk to yourself on camera for 10 minutes and keep it conversational
a lot of people pace while thinking "out loud" so I can understand what Penn is doing in these
MaxAC40 8 months ago
Thank you Obama you did bring change, we are in more wars now.
lightsoutnow30 8 months ago
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm; everyone needs to read this.
attemptingtobehumble 9 months ago
I don't know why we are there either but I have a few theories; oil reserves, aquifers, or because they are the enemy of Israel? Who knows but it is wrong, if the people don't like their government they should be the one to overthrow the regime not NATO. It is a shame our government is going the way of ancient Rome with the help of Neocons, Neolibs and AIPAC.
attemptingtobehumble 9 months ago
@attemptingtobehumble libya accounts for about one percent of the worlds oil supply.we are not there for the oil.this is a humanitarian mission.we are preventing gadaffi from slaughtering all of the rebels.that's what obama says anyway.we have basically taken sides in this war.
cassidy99ful 8 months ago
@cassidy99ful So, why did we not enter Sudan first.
lightsoutnow30 8 months ago
@lightsoutnow30 I'm not very politics saavy but there's a video of Noam Chomsky (on yt) discussing governments choosing to intervene, and used the cold war as an example
to put it simply, governments intervene to open up that market. In the cold war, this was done in the name of democracy/communism when neither the US or USSR were truly democratic or communist
Darfur's civil war is sparked by the oil industry dividing the country. China has a hand in that oil. Intervening would be problematic
MaxAC40 8 months ago
@MaxAC40 China has had its hands in other places like Korea, Vietnam, ect, and that has never stopped us. The biggest reason I see is the Drift in our government to do everything to please the Muslim population. I say that because Northern Sudan is ruled by Muslims and the South is controlled by Christian Rebels. God Forbid We enter and help defend the Christians. That in my opinion is the true problem. So When I hear this President talk, I just want to rip my flesh off, he's another pawn.
lightsoutnow30 8 months ago
Everytime someone uses the tired argument of "it's humanitarian", I can't help but laugh out loud. Because as we all know, Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama has officially dropped more "humanitarian" bombs than all other Peace Prize winners combined. So he's uber humanitarian in that respect. But would we really care if we never heard about them to begin with? What about Saudi Arabia? Look at how they treat their citizens. "Oh, but they serve our interests". And that's what it boils down to.
jboyko3 9 months ago 3
Your not wrong for feeling that this fighting is wrong. Remember war is a business for the rich. Your right we are using money we don't have to kill people we don't know for reasons we don't understand. We should be using that money to shelter the homeless, feed the hungry and give jobs to the jobless here.
joyell222 9 months ago
Pardon me if i'm wrong but didn't the UN push us into action in Libya?
1969mrchip 9 months ago
To save lives and help spread democracy. If we weren't there a madman who sponsored terrorism in the past would kill tens of thousands of innocent human beings fighting for their freedom.
That's why we're there.
It's funny that 'this' is really what a 'conservative Republican' now looks like. Someone who hates and/or fears the concept of law, government, and order itself with an unabiding passion and has contempt for our status as a world power.
blahblahblah11129 9 months ago
@blahblahblah11129
Didn't we slaughter tens of thousands of human beings fighting for their freedom in Iraq?
NorthCitySider 9 months ago
@NorthCitySider no we killed thousands of people who were trying to impose tyranny onto others.
cassidy99ful 8 months ago
Actually, we do know them. Lybians are responsible for numerous terrorist attacks that have killed hundreds of Americans around the world. But I think we could solve the problem by with one bullet in Gaddafi's head and getting some new leadership.
mickey0667 10 months ago
Furthermore, I'd like to say that it's totally fine that you don't want people bombed in your name, regardless of ongoing genocide. However, I'd posit that it's in the name of the innocents the ones we're bombing are trying to kill that this is being done.
WingatesHellsing42 10 months ago
I wouldn't say that we are spending money we don't have killing people we don't know for reasons we don't understand.
Sure, we borrowed (some) of the money, but it's still ours temporarily at least.
We know them well enough to know they're either shooting at us or civilians, and when it comes to life and death, that's all the more you really need.
And the reason is that we, as a nation, understand that when something you can't fight on your own attacks, there's nothing quite like the cavalry.
WingatesHellsing42 10 months ago
@TRDBaron You have to understand that Libya only exports 2% of all the world's oil. They are insignificant. We could make that up by opening a few of the dormant oil fields in Texas. I think that our politicians really believe that they are helping the people overthrow their leader, but you cannot assist someone else's rebellion. It nullifies the point.
getoffmyhead 10 months ago
@getoffmyhead "you cannot assist someone else's rebellion. It nullifies the point"
I've said this for quite a while, but I recently dawned on me that there is one resounding example to the opposite. The United States didn't do it on it's own. If not for the French and especially their Navy things could have turned out very different. One very important thing to note is the French didn't try to set up a puppet government.
albinoman13bt 9 months ago
its the Oil, I don,t see NATO rushing into Syria saving the people, or the Yemen , or Zimbabwe, or Korea, its the Oil always is always will be until it runs out!
brogs60 10 months ago
We're there to spend money.
ryratt 10 months ago
We know that there is currently a rebel force seeking to oust Gadaffi so in that sense it is easier to support than Iraq. Gadaffi is using force against his people which is being reported. Libya has been more hostile to the U.S. than Iraq and has was a terrorist state (removed under some evil dealings centered around Lockerbie) , but I still assert that it probably is not within our best interests to be there. The only reason to be there is to deter slaughter, and it should be nothing more.
thesands49 10 months ago
With Iraq there were concerns over security, but these concerns were backed by rather flimsy evidence before we went in. Bush's influence from his father who failed to deal with Saddam as well as Dick Cheney played a large part in his decision to go to war (not to mention his failure to prevent 9/11 with advanced notice). Though it was probably better for Iraq to be without Saddam and his genocidal tendencies towards the Kurds, it was not in our best interests to focus on Iraq at the time. Next:
thesands49 10 months ago
@TRDBaron If Libya exported raisins and not oil the Libya wouldn't exist.
KurosawasHouseBand 10 months ago
I do not support Gaddafi but I think that if anyone should get rid of him,it should be the Libyan people not NATO or USA or any other foreign intervention.
RamicZlatan 10 months ago 26
@RamicZlatan Easier said than done unfortunately
Philhouse88 10 months ago
@RamicZlatan Gaddafi has planes and tanks, the rebels don't.
Jmsadv 9 months ago
@RamicZlatan they tried to get rid of him and they got slaughtered.which is why they need our help because otherwise they would just get slaughtered.
cassidy99ful 8 months ago
@RamicZlatan Well they were trying but those pesky bombs Gaddafi was dropping kept getting in the way.
dylanmp21 8 months ago
@dylanmp21 Those "rebels" are some really mysterious characters.We don't even know who are they exactly.There are some monarchist,Al Qaeda envoys and other crooks in their council.Do those rebels even have a program for a post Gaddafi era???Something isn't quite right about them.
RamicZlatan 7 months ago
@RamicZlatan No way they could have done it on their own. They were begging us. Thank god some people actually care about people they dont know.
Snystrom2 6 months ago
@RamicZlatan I'm glad it worked out that way. Now NATO and our guys and all our allies should get the fuck out. Let them choose their own course and if enough of them want our business then we should work. Until then STAY OUT!
strizhi 4 months ago
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Berzerkerevl 4 months ago
We have to acknowledge we have no business interfering with matters that don't concern us, and assuming this really is about freedom and democracy then let them fight it out like everyone before them had to do.
LordBattleBeard 10 months ago
I was in the Navy when Bush Jr. Slithered his way into office stationed on the carrier he used as a back drop watching his live campaign speech from a pier just off base, and man was I pissed to hear the guy talking about War and Iraq before he was even in office. Not being Pres, yet I called him an idiot. Then when I was out to Sea during 9/11 and after people were bloody nuts bent on dealing out death and judgement on anything Arab. I regret the character of those who replaced me though.
TheAetherspeak 10 months ago
Ronald Reagan was right all along... they should have killed that asshole a long time ago...
But the idiots at the U.N. put Gaddafi on the U.N. human rights commission?
Now the idiots at the U.N. want to invent a new "god" for everyone to worship?
What a joke the U.N. is...
SirWinstoneChurchill 10 months ago
Go grab us the Lockerbie Bomber Penn .
slLLyhumans 10 months ago
We're sending young men to die for people we don't know, for a cause that is unclear. My boy is 18 right now, I don't want him, or kids like him sent to die in a war against people who pose no real immediate danger to our country.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 10 months ago
AAAAAAAArrrrrrggghhh! Camera switches!
MonkeysAreBrown 10 months ago
Gallagher LIVES!!!?!? Smash dat melon!
JesusFknChrist666 10 months ago
Presidential campaigns - Billions of dollars. Multi-year wars and interventions - Trillions of dollars. Being able to sell any old bag of horse crap to gullible journalists who want to believe and an indifferent population that doesn't give a crap - Priceless. ;)
7Highlander 10 months ago
It never ceases to amaze me at how uncritically and non-strategically people look at things like war on. As if All of the most powerful people in the world were just sitting in room debating on whether to go in. And apparently they think the debate goes something like this. Military: "Well, it's not in our interest and it hurts us". Political Advisors: "It's not good for us". Women: "Think of the children". President: "We must do this for the children". Grow up kiddies. Gullible press looove it)
7Highlander 10 months ago
What strategic interests are achieved for us regading the greater Middle East by having a stalemate in Libya? What are the effects on Syrias response to it's own people, Iran. Do we, through Libya now gain more control or leverage over the goings on in the Middle East (By being able to immediately alleviate or exacerbate the chaos?... Would it be wise for other countries or creditors to cause us problems when we have the remote control on chaos in a region who's ramifications can topple them...
7Highlander 10 months ago
For anyone who wishes to see, it is all too clear why Libya. The Middle East is of prime import to our economic security and strategic goals. Through the Middle East the future of the world can be influenced in many ways i.e. population growth, rising and spreading fundamentalism and theocratic (and violent) elements, oil - world energy/economy... Question: does anyone really think the best we can do against the Libyan 'army' is stalemate? No. So the question then becomes...continued...
7Highlander 10 months ago
...for us to solve or settle. It would take far far less exertion for us to save multitudes in s-s Africa because of the (different dynamics of what constitutes coherent fighting units and differences in rates of religious fundamentalism). Are there no atrocities anywhere else but the middle east. How little military exertion would it take to topple the Burmese military; can we not bomb the Gbagbo units in Ivory Coast just as we are doing to khadaffis forces? And so on and so forth...continued..
7Highlander 10 months ago
The operative statement is "for reasons 'we' don't understand. Many people think they understand but those are just theories. The reality is that somebody somewhere understands and those are the people who made the decision to go in. Humanitarianism is an added bonus, but If anyone thinks that the core of the decision to go in was humanitarian, the I would kindly ask them "Why then do we not ever get involved in Sub - Saharan African conflicts. These conflicts would be far easier ...continued...
7Highlander 10 months ago
Humanitarian? Yeah... sure. The fact that it also denies China access to low cost oil might also be a factor, YOU THINK!? Or are we still under the impression that China is our buddy because they make iPads? :-)
ascolti 10 months ago
If our true purpose of intervening in Libya is to prevent civilian deaths, that is noble enough, but why now? Why aren't we in the Ivory Coast? Why aren't we in the Sudan? Why aren't we kicking our own asses out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
claybfx 10 months ago
as always he makes valid points.....i personally believe we should not get involved in other countries problems... im okay with helping ppl... but not getting in there business.... im only for helping people tho if and only if WE HAVE THE MONEY TO AFFORD IT........we dont need more debt than we already have.... being in Libya is only making the hole we created for ourselves deeper......
piercy6543 10 months ago
My sister says she supports the bombing in Libya just as long as it stops at that.
Personally, I think the two wars being fought are enough trouble. We should at least wait until those wars are over before considering another war. If the U.S. was not at war right now, I would probably be more like my sister (support bombing but not infantry).
o1993 10 months ago
Every armament expended in Libya, or anywhere for that matter, might indeed be spending money the tax-payer payers could best use in social projects at home, but it's also money going into the pockets of the vendors who fabricate and maintain those armaments and the platforms that deliver them. The commercial lobby-elite and their democratically-elected representatives are laughing their asses all the way to the bank and that is the reason why people you don't know are being killed.
Original50 10 months ago
Killing people is something that governments do. At some point it is completely justifiable. Libya has a popular revolution going on at the time that we started bombing. It's just giving a nudge to help some people out that we like. I think that is different from Iraq, where Saddam basically had his country under control and was a pretty progressive leader (by regional standards). Bombing and invading Iraq just ruined a perfectly good country.
Ninjaculation 10 months ago
As usual things aren't as simple as they seem. As an American it'd be rather selfish to just sit there in your bubble and let the rest of the world suffer. If you were to be the first to have invented antibiotics you'd want to share it with the rest of the world too. Franklin D. Roosevelt said in his “Four freedoms speech” that the entire world has the right to live free. As a German I cannot thank Mr. Roosevelt and the American people enough.
Christuserloeser 10 months ago
love the music!
acdaks 10 months ago
Y'ought read Murray Rothbard & Walter Block or David Friedman, and discuss whether you're a minarchist or an anarchist. Or not, up to you.
corenothing 10 months ago
vid sounds like a french movie about an old shut in who likes to spy on the neighbors
corenothing 10 months ago
i think he wants to take a piss!
SonsOfBoredom 10 months ago
They are pro-libya because they are pro-obama because obama cannot do no wrong in their eyes. If he beat his wife they would be for it too.
Empyreanmight 10 months ago
We have very obviously switched into reverse, America is now what It promised NOT to be. Thats as far as it goes. So what do we do, we need to get a group of pissed off military men and women, to hold up the every major American epicenter on our soil with aims of peace and threats of violence. Works pretty well of the bull shit agenda "our" government is pushing, Anonymous would be a big help too. 20 MIL for an army nascar, 0$ for homeless vets, i guarantee the homeless vets would help.
bitmoresane 10 months ago
Sodom Hussein Obama...
SirWinstoneChurchill 10 months ago
Hrm... maybe because a terrible dictator is slaughtering his own people?
MDFification 10 months ago
@MDFification
We are there because France and England get a lot of their oil from Libya. They don't have the military might to force Gaddafi out of power. Unfortuately, The U.S. does. So we go there as a "humanitarian effort".
There are many countries slaughtering their own people atm. How many of them shall we visit?
I'm against the wars in Iraq , Afghanistan and Libya.You can comfort yourself about the nobility of your cause,but try telling the relatives of slain servicemen that.
Oscifer11 10 months ago
@Oscifer11
France and Britain don't have the military power to force Gadaffi out of power?
They most certainly do... but, they know how fucking stupid Obama is, so why waste their own blood and treasure?
Ronald Reagan was right all along... they should have killed the asshole a long time ago...
SirWinstoneChurchill 10 months ago
The camera isn't annoying. The daft music is.
sugarydonkey 10 months ago
Switching the camera angles doesn't change the words he's saying or the points he's making. If it REALLY bothers you, open up a new tab, go to Google Images and search 'Penn Jillette' and look at the fucking picture.
Tom666Nicklin 10 months ago
Stop with the camera angles. You don't have to do it every 2 seconds.
fjoify 10 months ago
if penn camera switching annoys you then how do you watch any tv at all its all switches
dailyhodgepodge 10 months ago
@pennpoint we are bombing people with guns who are killing people without guns just a thought
stompySharpNpointy 10 months ago
Changing cameras IS that bothersome. At least make the two backgrounds the same colour. Also, prepare! Rehearse it a little and cut it down to four minutes of actual content.
joekornelsen 10 months ago
This is why I'm not a pacifist. I'm a libertarian and an atheist and I agree with just about everything you ever say, but you're wrong on this (And it's rather obvious that you are conflicted in your views yourself).
Sometimes, evil men have to be put down. Supporting a democratic revolution is not the same as forcing democracy on a people; The Libyan people rose up on their own. We should assist and encourage freedom when a foreign people demand it from their government.
HeroofTime55 10 months ago 2
@HeroofTime55 I am not clear on this idea that the rebels are fighting for democracy.
joekornelsen 10 months ago
@HeroofTime55 I totally agree with you. In fact if the U.S. hadn't gotten assistance from France in our own revolution we would have most certainly lost.
OHMAHGAA 10 months ago
@HeroofTime55 Except there is no evidence this is a "democratic revolution". Arrogance is thinking everyone in the world wants the same system of you, if given a chance.
Libya is a Jihad. All these Arab states, will go devoutly Moslem. If there is democracy, it won't last longer than it takes to vote in the Sharia.
MrCleatsketch 10 months ago 15
@MrCleatsketch Thats so true.Iran will continue its caliphate.
cliffyknight 10 months ago
@MrCleatsketch
Not true. Most people in America are horribly misinformed about the Mideast. They take Afghanistan and Pakistan and paint the whole Muslim world with the same brush. You make the same mistake in my opinion.
NorthCitySider 9 months ago
@MrCleatsketch I am a citizen of one of those Arab states, and your statement:
"Libya is a Jihad. All these Arab states, will go devoutly Moslem. If there is democracy, it won't last longer than it takes to vote in the Sharia." is extremely arrogant.
SuppaNih 5 months ago
@HeroofTime55 No - non-interventionist is the way to go, dont make enemies you dont need to. Libya under Khaddafi was already in the UN if you care about that POS. It is a matter of "the axis of evil". Venezuela better not revolt against Chavez, or we'll be there too. Who is coming to help America to help us? This place sucks a dick and is getting worse. We live in a prison country, you are one silly mistake that isnt even un-constitutional from being in the brig for a 20 spot.
MrWhiteskull 10 months ago
@HeroofTime55 well the only problem with your comment is that the US government incited the revolution in the first place..
crazygeek777 10 months ago
Teller can talk???
TVZombie3000 10 months ago
at least he doesn't use the Iphone camera anymore...that was hell annoying
TheHoleBag 10 months ago
FRANCE sent us TROOPS, SHIPS, and SUPPLIES during the Revolutionary War. HELLO????
Jmsadv 10 months ago
FRANCE sent us ships, Supplies, and Troops during the Revolution. HELLO ANYBODY?
Jmsadv 10 months ago
It's all about oil.
ThatJamesDude 10 months ago
KILL THE KILLERS!… wait, what?
SatanistSin 10 months ago
I like the switching cameras.
TorontoLibertarian 10 months ago
"We're using money we don't have, to bomb people we don't know, for reason we don't understand."
There is only one problem with this statement. Who is this 'we' you're talking about? It certainly isn't me, and I don't really think it's you either.
sharperguy 10 months ago
@sharperguy you pay taxes dont you?
boredomkillerz 10 months ago
@boredomkillerz So if an organised gang forces a shopkeeper to pay 'protection' money, and then uses it to pay off a politician, the shopkeeper was also guilty?
sharperguy 10 months ago
@sharperguy No im not saying your guilty at all man. Im just saying that unfortunately we all pay into this bs via taxes.
boredomkillerz 10 months ago
you mention alot about when this was recorded, any chance that you could either time stamp them at the start or put in the comments a 'recorded on 3rd April' or whatever? Just out of interest.
CanthusOfCandE 10 months ago
Obama chose this conflict to divert the publics attention away from domestic issues and gain points from the right. Simple as that. This tactic has been used by all presidents. It's just politricks.
tiekbane 10 months ago
Teller "said" ? Teller SAID?!?
Teller talks?!?!? :P
MoPapparani 10 months ago
what is the name of the music in the background?
DunkelStern 10 months ago
Libertarianism + Pacifism = fail. Hello Revolutionary War much? Why arent you talking about the NC Liberty coins and how that dude got convicted of domestic terrorism? Hi ho silver!!!
MrWhiteskull 10 months ago
Nuke us, nuke us now!! oh wait Japan got us back on that...ruined our dependency on nuke power since asshole island lives on a faultline...
MrWhiteskull 10 months ago
i understand the world is trying to save these ppl, they probably hate christians and jews but when u see ppl get murdered for no reason u must help
thank god the US helped with the war against Nazi Germany- it was kinda too late 6million jews but still
aassaa99 10 months ago
Any one huo disagree with Penn on this point.. is a stupid asshuole
oalithgow 10 months ago
Penn you're geting fatter
oalithgow 10 months ago
Camera switch is so annoying man. Talk to each camera for at least 30 seconds !!!!
ramin85 10 months ago
If killing innocent people is a viable solution to deal with things that the government wants to stamp out, then Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, was moral and patriotic. He killed a hundred or so prostitutes. . . those evil evil prostitues that *shudder* sell services that some people want to purchase that the government does not like.
Support the war! Gary Ridgeway for President! He knows how to get things done, American style! I'm so sick of this.
terramortim 10 months ago
can we all stop bitching about people who bitch about the camera angles?
you wont? ok, well we wont either. so... nothing was accomplished. just watch the video and stop reading the comments and you will be good.
chadd990 10 months ago
i get dizzy too...
i just hear it not watch it...
But Penn please stop with the camera switching please!!!
i wanna see u too...
xRoyaldx 10 months ago
fuck everybodys gotta stop bitching about libya! does anyone actually pay attention? it is very necessary and important that American helps out and Fucking news flash, it's not a war
rockerguy567 10 months ago
@rockerguy567, yes but who is the US "helping" ?
Are the people that will take Gadaffi's place any better?
A few years from now, Libyans will be commiting terror attacks in the US and "no one" will understand why.
LibertyDownUnder 10 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder according to people on the ground. . . thousands of members of Al Quaeda are amongst the rebels. We are literally fighting to put Al Quaeda in charge of one of the largest oil producing nations on earth. HELLO PEOPLE!!!! Libya also has a TON of biological weapons and other goodies we sold Gadafi over the years. He's bad as it is. . . imagine AL Quaeda with all of those goodies we sold Libya. This is madness. Utter madness.
terramortim 10 months ago
@rockerguy567 If bombs are dropping and people are dying, and our military is orchestrating it. . . it's a war. It's just a bunch of slimely lawyer speak to call it something else. It's a war. Period. Liberals are selling out on this one if they support this. THis is just how Iraq and Afghanistan were sold to people by Bush. If you opposed those wars, you HAVE TO oppose this one as well, otherwise you are a hypocrite. Vietnam was the same freaking thing as well! Read your history books.
terramortim 10 months ago
@rockerguy567 you'll pay attention when Ghadaffi retaliates with some of the military goodies we've sold him over the years. remember. When we went into Iraq, we had decades of sanctions on him and a previous war that had taken out most of his military. Iraq was like taking candy from a baby. . . and we still can't wrap it up. Libya has allies - allies with nukes. This could start WWIII if they keep this shit up. We need to stop these wars. It's wrong and it makes us VERY unsafe.
terramortim 10 months ago
AHA!!!!! So Teller DOES talk.
TheGreatRL 10 months ago
Yes we should go help prevent helpless people from being slaughtered. Yet fuck you CiA thinking about giving the rebels weapons. Didn't that bite us in the ass majorly before.
And181377 10 months ago
@And181377 Yeah but I think that was a very different situation and our motives were not the same. I'm not really certain what our motivations are right now either or what the exact situation is but Libya its not quite the same as the Soviets and the Afghan Mujahadeen.
TheEpisteme 10 months ago
@And181377 These "helpless people" are members of Al Quaeda who were using heavy weapons and jet bombers to attack strategic targets. I don't like Gadaffi at all, and wish he'd find himself at the end of a rope, but the libya thing is totally made up. The "rebels" are bascially a bunch of radicals that want to make Libya even more tyrannical than Gadaffi's nutjob regime.It's like replacing Ted Bundy for Hitler. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Just wait till Gadaffi retailiates.
terramortim 10 months ago
@penpoint Ill ask you this a guy runs in your home with a shotgun and trys to kill your wife and kids..are you a passivise now? if you are you care nothing of un armed innocents..A bully understands one thing a punch to the head
stompySharpNpointy 10 months ago
@stompySharpNpointy THat's not true. It's no more true than when Bush claimed Iraq had WMDs. It's another lie to get us into another war to keep the miltary industrial complex making huge profits. That's all it is. The military contractors want to keep the gravy train going with endless war. I am sick of sending our fighting men into a meat grinder and killing innocent people abroad. We should be a nation of admiration, not a nation of brutality and evil. We have destroyed our name in the world.
terramortim 10 months ago
Penn, cover up. Your nationalism is showing.
sKepptiksowat 10 months ago
iPad 2! I haven't been following this, but there are certainly good reasons to intervene in certain situations. I listen to the Hitch in these matters... I hate Robin Hood! He kills henchmen left and right, but he won't kill the damned sheriff! ASSHOLE!
quaternio 10 months ago
This is different from Iraq in that we went to war with Iraq after they attacked Kuwait, our ally. We won and ceased in that war under conditions that Iraq did not comply with. Pres. Bush then got authorization from Congress to act, drew a line in the sand with Iraq and acted when they again refused to comply. Our patience at the time (post 9/11) was thin, but the process still took years. In Libia Obama fired 140 missiles, started a war withoug approval, has no exit plan and is bailing out
SailTCB 10 months ago
george washington basically explained the cold war and the soviet /allied - alliance to take down hitler.
crackerz99 10 months ago
Technically, it is to avoid something similar to a genocide and the destabilization of a large region... But, it is not supposed to be job of the American government but rather the U.N. If the USA are a part of the UN operation, this is good, but...
I mean, using Nato is o.k., but here nato is use to shortcut the UN because of problems with the Soviet in the security conceal at one time.
therrydicule 10 months ago
@therrydicule You mean kind of like the genocide of 1 million + dead Iraqis that we were sent to "liberate"? Is that what you're talking about? The UN is who ordered this, man. . . and it is not their job. Their job is to be abolished. The UN pretends it's for peace, but it orders wars. It's just like Barry Soetoro the great deceiver getting a peace prize when he's even more war mongering than Bush. I'm sick of it. No more wars. Period. I don't care why they're waging them. No more. PERIOD!
terramortim 10 months ago
@terramortim No, I was talking about Lybia... You know, it should be a peacekeeping operation, in some ways... Not traditional peacekeeper, tough, but still.
Now, don't get me wrong: I think Iraq is so susfu that it will need peacekeeper to work against the US forces.
Also, Lolo Soetoro is the step-father of Obama. I you look at the difference between Hawain&Inuit kinship system, you will understand that some have been confused and made a very grave error of translation due to naive-realism ;)
therrydicule 10 months ago
You ARE NOT wrong!
Lybian intervention is Bullshit.
wespayne67 10 months ago
Unwatchable, pick a camera.
FlailingJunk 10 months ago
hump and dump
PiratGeneralen 10 months ago
Jesus, all these fucking comments about the switching camera angles, is it really that bothering? Doesn't bother me at all.
jonizzzzzzzzzzz 10 months ago 34
@jonizzzzzzzzzzz Yea, nor me! I just listen to what he SAYS. I'm not paying attention to his body language. :-P
GoodAvatar 10 months ago
@jonizzzzzzzzzzz I agree, theres a minimize button for those who hate it.
Nerolus 10 months ago
@jonizzzzzzzzzzz well its really alot so sometimes it gives me headacke but i dont complaine
as long as penn is making vids.
sexyxrs 10 months ago
@jonizzzzzzzzzzz Yes, actually its very distracting and annoying.
crystalmethod786 10 months ago
The biggest pet peeve I have with bombing libya is the claim that the liberal are only doing it for humanitarian reasons. Yet when we were in Iraq they bitching and moaning saying it was only for oil. What a bunch of fucking hypocrites, Saddam was just as evil or more evil than Gaddafi.
maniacoffroader 10 months ago
Here's why...corporations manufacture both the hardware and software used when the US wages war to open up/secure new corporate profits/resources around the globe. Most of, if not all equipment and manpower is bought from private corporations with the use of the budget=tax revenues without public approval. Profits made from "liberated" resources and weapons sales to the US Gov and other entities are always shared between the corporations-never returned to the budget. It's a two way scam.
carinum 10 months ago
Do you oppose ALL violence under ANY circumstances!?
TheSickness14 10 months ago
Do you oppose ALL violence under ANY circumstances
TheSickness14 10 months ago
cruise missiles 4 peace . welcome to 1984
leon999 10 months ago
I had to do a project on the US involvement in Libya a couple weeks back. As Gaddafi is a really crappy person and just killed people. Very little money in the economy goes to lower levels of society and obviously most of it goes to Gaddafi. America wants the Libyan Republic(pretty much the rebel forces) to over through the government since they want Democracy and one of the main Foreign Policy goals of the US is to spread Democracy. At least that's what they're teaching me.
MrBambiHam 10 months ago
@MrBambiHam My view is that we want to get Democracy into the country and get oil trade back from them. I still haven't picked a side to fight with though.
MrBambiHam 10 months ago
Whenever I don't know what to think, I do like every other American. I turn on the TV and they tell me what to think. If that's not good enough, I listen to my neighbors. The TV tells them what to think too. Then we get together and reinforce the idea that we are sane because we believe the same thing. It's easy. Any opinion outside of what the news propaganda tells you to think is clearly defined as insanity for conspiracy nut jobs. If Penn stops thinking for himself, life will be much easier.
dualisticnature 10 months ago
Democrats and Republicans are fine with war...as long as it's their boy in the oval office.
ledawg1138 10 months ago
Penn, the phrase, "boots on the ground," means, infantry, cavalry, ground troops,
MisterEvil1 10 months ago