Beethoven - Missa Solemnis (D-Dur, opus 123) Credo I

[manouchehr7]

Thanks for posting.

Let just enjoy Beethoven's great music.

[eugenecoreno]

Beethoven's aim in the Missa was to inspire the most profound feelings possible. The text of the Roman Catholic Mass is used like a dramatic libretto. You could be an atheist, but during the Missa, you're a believer. (That is, if it hits you loke it hits me.)

[WestHavenBob]

Music affects everyone differently; and great music has the power to touch one in a major way. Bach or Beethoven, Lennon/McCartney or Cobain: it is the melody and the lyrics which will get behind one's strongest defenses and tug at the heart of one's very being. It can be, at strategic times, a "life-changer".

As a devout Christian, I hope this (like Schiller's "Ode to Joy") is close to what God hears. But I understand why non-believers can enjoy this without the spiritual aspect.

[radatridean]

the best mezzo in Missa solemnis is Ruza Baldani

[camapeque]

This is GOD MUSIC !! composed for the eternity !!

O. Camahue

[camapeque]

This is GOD MUSIC !!

[billy12080]

I have studied the Missa Solemnis for nearly 40 years, ever since I was a soldier stationed in Korea back in the early 1970s. Have sung the Missa one time, years ago. Like Beethoven's other choral works, it presents monumental challenges to the singers. I think Beethoven had not very clear ideas about the limitations of the human voice, especially in the range of soprano and tenor. But apart from all that, this music is gorgeous.

[zioband]

grazie.....GREETINGS FROM ITALY

[MultiGloris]

Esta maravilla no es para analisis filosoficos sobre el genio, ni para transitar por las miserias de los fanatismos raciales. Es para disfrutar de su belleza, para OIR. Si quieren filosofar, busquen los materiales adecuados...Lo de horrible viene de alguien bien atrevido...o SORDO Musical o de alma.

[MultiGloris]

Esta maravilla no es para analisis filosoficos sobre el genio, ni para transitar por las miserias de los fanatismos raciales. Es para disfrutar de su belleza, para OIR. Si quieren filosofar, busquen los materiales adecuados...

[the81stviewer]

Let's straighten this out. Beethoven went through a period in his twenties where he searched for answers regarding his life and personal philosophy. He found Schiller, and others the like who believed in the power of mankind to shape his fate. They were responding in part to the revolutions that were happening in europe, but mostly trying to keep Germany united. He was not a christian in any conservative sense, and only wrote holy works to support or please patrons-it was music to him, not jesus

[clodoalzer]

Horrible! No tempi, no power, no intensity!

[Twjdfa]

No se puede describir esta obra con un simple comentario tiene tanto poder e importancia que merece la acción de todos en consecuencia creer,creer e aquí la esperanza e intención de Ludvig van Beethoven poder infinito universo en música Grabdeza en Paz Humildad Mensaje al mundo en esa epoca y en esta,,,,,Fraternidad para todos

[49Aloysius]

Shut up. Just Listen. Silence is needed.

[soursourapples]

@49Aloysius in case you hadn't noticed all the way up there in your ivory tower guarded by high horses this is the COMMENTS SECTION

[jl343]

Who cares what Beethoven believed or didn't believe, it's an incredible masterwork regardless of who the composer was. It wouldn't matter if the text said "All hail the swiss cheese goblin," and Beethoven was a secret atheist...this is music, and it's meant to be the truest possible expression of human emotion, not advocate a religion.

For the record, I'm Jewish, not Christian, and I love this piece

[jesusthroughmary]

@jl343 Of course it's meant to advocate a religion. It's a Mass, and I'm sure you're aware of the text. You are free, obviously, to enjoy it for its immense musical value and for the universally understandable expression of man's deepest emotions that it represents, but you are not free to deny that it is, in fact, the fundamental and universal expression of belief in the Christian religion.

[jl343]

@jesusthroughmary The text is, but I would be less quick to say that this particular piece of music is as religious as the other well-known masses (Bach B minor, Mozart C minor, Verdi Requiem, etc). Music scholars have always written about this fact regarding the Missa Solemnis.

Personally, I really don't care how religious it is, nitpicking that is beside the point and detracts from the value of the piece.

[jesusthroughmary]

@jl343 The entirety of its religious value comes from the text. It may not be suitable for use in the Mass, but that doesn't make it less religious.

And I, at least, believe that the text adds to the value of the piece. If a secular text (or that of another religion) were set to this music, I would find it less beautiful. That is merely my opinion. However, as I said, it is a fact that, as it stands and as it was composed, it is an intrinsically Christian composition.

[plagueofangels666]

@jesusthroughmary the point is: who cares? Just listen to this piece of ultimate elegancy combined with sheer power. God isn't speaking here, it's Beethoven!

"There are a thousand princes, but only one Beethoven", he once said.

[skrattkantarellen]

@plagueofangels666 GOD SAID THAT???? makes sense

[plagueofangels666]

@skrattkantarellen nono, Beethoven said it. THAT MAKES SENCE :p

[gjeacocke]

@jl343 hi. i was curious, having been raised in a christian household but not a christian what are the jewish community looking for on top of what Jesus had?

this is a genuine question. reply in private if u need.

[dyad2r1]

@gjeacocke

I know of no Jewish composer who is as great as Beethoven.

[gjeacocke]

@dyad2r1 eh?

[dyad2r1]

@gjeacocke

I didn't mean to suggest that Beethoven was Jewish. He was not.

[gjeacocke]

@dyad2r1 can u rephrase your first comment to me?

[dyad2r1]

@gjeacocke - I already clarified it. What's the problem?

[gjeacocke]

@dyad2r1 It has nothing to do with what i asked. my question has nothing to do with beethoven or jew but my comment was just made here.

[gjeacocke]

@dyad2r1 It has nothing to do with what i asked. my question has nothing to do with beethoven or jew but my comment was just made here.

[gjeacocke]

@jl343 it's important. ppl in any field get their inspiration from somewhere or else we would never have the works we do. if Beethoven wasn't death - he may never have pushed himself to the length he did.

Things are like catalysts. take these away and u may not get anything.

[JOrgeZalSerr]

He was not a Pantheist, he was a christian, Catholic to be exact!!!

[NetSlangCafe]

what would have Mozart thought about this ? !

[SugarTomAppleRoger]

To me, at 00:51, the most powerful piece of music ever written.

[hendriphile]

@SugarTomAppleRoger

Yes the held top note in the sopranos at 00:51 is thrilling... but also listen to the line in the first violins... pure ecstasy in music!

[TIBUIN]

die Missa ist eine demokraktische Musik:lETS HEAR

[yohannbiimu]

at about 4:15 this is almost exactly like the opening bars of the 9th symphony...

[yohannbiimu]

I love this portion. When I first heard the Missa Solemnis it was like the first time I heard the Eroica Symphony many years ago--I didn't quite know what to make of it, because it wasn't like anything else I had ever heard before. However, upon multiple hearings of it, I cannot help but be moved by its beauty and obvious inspired qualities. This is now one of my favorite classical pieces.

[Ghehes]

Um dos pontos mais altos da música em todos tempos.

[streglia]

Beethoven's Missa Solemis is simply the greatest choral work I've have had the pleasure of performing in nearly 50 years of choral singing. I've had the opportunity to sing on some of the greatest stages ever, soon Carnegie for the 4th time, and with some of the greatest choral directors. Including Tony, Oscar, Emmy and Grammy winner Carmen Dragon. I have to say this. I would KILL LB. He is the worst. I DARE anyone to try to read his baton beat. He is all show and no substance!

[IIIXPCIII]

Folks, does anyone know other passages of dorian mode in Beethoven?

[thegoddescomposer]

I BELIEVE !! I BELIEVE !!!! CREDO !!!!!!!!!!!! CREDO !!!!!!!!! I BELIEVE IN GOD IN HIS POWER HE GIVES THE WORLD THE BALANCE OF LIFE AND DEATH i pray for u untill i die beethoven u are a gift of god

[mortitio]

While LB gives a steadfast rendition, I think the Otto Klemperer edition is much the best. Whis that one was on video.

[ElhombreDuff84]

I'm agree "Et incarnatus est" is the best part

[diehuts]

"Et incarnatus est" in Dorian D, like Gregorian music and then the switch at "et homo factus est" to D Major. Amazing.

[rcc400]

Since I am an atheist I've kept myself away from this ,but it is impossible.

[jesusthroughmary]

God has placed in every human heart the desire for Him, even if He also gives us free will to ignore that desire.

[l3r0ii]

Why would you ever keep yourself from this? I'm an atheist, have been my entire life, and I could never consider distancing my self from Beethoven's work. Even if something so simple as a piece of grass had inspired this, it makes it no less the glorious piece of music it is.

[SummerCicadaMusic]

@rcc400 Beethoven wasn't religious, just fyi. He was actually a pantheist. Whenever his lyrics talk about "god", he does not mean the Christian god. I notice atheists seem to have something against "christian" music so I figured maybe that's why you said you've tried to stay away from this, but lol...yeah Beethoven wasn't Christian ^_^

[rometube]

Not very sure of yoru argumentation here. There are clear references to Christ, the Holy Spirit, God not seen from a pantheistic point of view but from what Christianity was at the period when he wrote the piece. However, he was a genious and his music transcends all human concepts and takes to a very otherwordely state of mind

[SummerCicadaMusic]

@rometube Yeah some of his music is heavily influenced by Christian music. but there's really no denying Beethoven himself wasn't Christian. He didn't like organized religion, and his close friends knew that when he referred to "god", he was referring to the natural world. Most historians agree he was a pantheist.

[bigpoppaplump462]

@SummerCicadaMusic What utter nonsense. I submit to you that you are projecting.

[SummerCicadaMusic]

@bigpoppaplump462 huh? Why? Because I know about Beethoven's life? That's not "nonsense", it's historical fact.

[bigpoppaplump462]

@SummerCicadaMusic Just because he dabbled in reading texts of hinduism, and concepts of deism, does not mean he was not a Christian. These things were very common during the "enlightenment"

He also made sure that his nephew went to confession and took the Church Sacraments. To extrapolate that into his not being a Christian is quite a stretch.

You are not the only one who knows about Beethoven's life.

Pax

[SummerCicadaMusic]

@bigpoppaplump462 It's not entirely a stretch. Most books I've read and most historians tend to think he was a pantheist. Accounts by Beethoven's friends say that when he said the word "god" he was referring to the natural world, rather than a separate, celestial, sentient, deity.

It is surely still "debatable", since there is only vague and/or secondhand accounts on what Beethoven believed, but it's hardly "nonsense" to suggest he might've been a pantheist. It's a common view.

[berscheida]

@rcc400 I dont understand why people feel the need to say this...Music is music...I dont care who wrote it, what the text is, or the story. If its emotional, beautiful, and powerful to you then that is all that matters, not what your religion is or is not.

[Beadwindow2020]

@rcc400 It's just good music, eh?

[beethomozart]

3rd part of this magnificent masterpiece, the credo whose theme of prepotent plasticity recalls the openings of the author's symphonies, just like to admire a great picture we have to step backwards to have a better glance in such a manner we would have to look at this mass from the highness to know what the genius wanted to create, long live ludwig van, as always a superb conduction by Leonard Bernstein and a sublime interpretation by the chorus and the soloists

[coltzy0]

Actally for me the best part is " incarnatus...et homo factus est".You'll fin d the "et resurrexit" in the second aprt of the Credo

[choletalenda]

please,

WHERE'S THE "et resurrexit"?? i want to hear ist, it's the best part of the whole credo!!!!

how could u leave it out :/

please upload it, i need to hear the rest.

[dbossy]

"et resurrexit" is on the second part of the video... see to the right :)

[furiozara]

God bless Lenny!!!

[troyyis]

que calidad¡ es un super video y el contenido del mismo, no por ser el credo, hace maravillar aun mas su excelencia

[swanningaround]

Those clips from Bernstein from 00:48 to 00:50 are just priceless. I think he is trying to transport the orchestra and singers into heaven. He nearly succeeds.

[choletalenda]

wo ist das et resurrexit?!? das ist doch das geilste von allem!

[kamelium]

Ah ! Que ces notes me donne un tas d'émotions! Dieu existe et ceci en ait la preuve!

[saltoangel2007]

The best version is made y John Eliot Gardinder with Monteverdi Choir and XVIII Centuty Orch. This version is not vivace and slow like a marche.. ;-(

[leonarddixon7]

The Missa cannot be played by mortals, so Leonard and John have done the best they know how. :-)

[myyellowshirt]

Wah!!! I wonder if this is still available even on ADD format. I wonder where I can find a dvd or vcd of this.

[nostalgiaopera]

What Bernstein does with the strings is incredible, as usual. Heard parts come forward that I've never noticed before, partly BECAUSE of the tempos he is taking. Very interesting and so so beautiful!!

[michaels7]

Bernstein is always intersting. Other versions that are good are Kubelik (orfeo), Goodman (nimbus), and Giulini (EMI). Also a version from Nashville (?) on Naxos is surprisingly articulate and moving.

[etucker82]

It's a bit slow for my tastes, but the forces he has are so powerful that he really makes it work.

[nickbaritone]

Berstein's take on this is perfect in my opinion. Not too fast, not too slow. His gestures really say a lot.