ΝΑ ΦΤΙΑΞΩ ΚΙ ΕΓΩ ΤΟ ΛΕΞΙΚΟ ΤΟΥ ΒΥΘΟΥ ΤΗΣ ΠΙΤΣΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑΣΩ 'ΛΕΞΙΚΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΤΡΟΥ' ΜΗΠΩΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΠΟΚΤΗΣΩ ΤΑΥΤΟΤΗΤΑ, ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ, ΠΕΡΙΣΣΟΤΕΡΗ ΧΩΡΑ, ΔΙΕΞΟΔΟ ΣΤΗ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΑ, ΚΑΙ ΟΛΑ ΑΥΤΑ ΒΕΒΑΙΑ ΜΕ 'ΕΙΡΗΝΙΚΟ' ΤΡΟΠΟ...
FYROMacedonian language] Was not created by natural means, as all other languages in the world, but was created by political circumstances. It is absurd, that it was created on a certain date -- namely August 2nd, 1944, and at certain place -- the monastery "Prohor Pchinski", with a decree. Such an event has not happened to any other language in the world.
MONKEYDONSKI one of a kind !!! timeless Joke of the Balkans !!
"Our northest land is Thessaly. Greeks use long skirt there by the winter." Strabon.12:14:02...hmmm...Macedonia is nothern of Thessaly as i know...
"Наша најсевернија земља је Тесалија. Тамо Грци носе дуге сукње кад је зима" ...Strabon...Коме ли је, поред овог, потребан још неки доказ да су Македонија и Грчка биле две одвојене земље?
you are just albanian and vlach sheppards who were told that they are descendants of something way back in the history. your part of macedonia was occupied in 1912 and you know that very well. for 14 centuries, that territory belongs to us, to the people who inhabited it. so fuck yourself
Poor Greeks. Poor poor greeks. With all these money you were getting all these years, all you did was printing books on your supposed greatness. But nobody is buying those books anymore... No European will shed a tear on your misery anymore. You are going down.
"No european will shed a tear on your misery anymore"Look at yourselves pathetic miserable slavs of vardarska!!!!For 6th time in a row EU doesnt recognise language and ethnicity for your bast*rd nation!!Justice is prevailing you falsifiers of the glorious greek history of macedonia!!!THIEVES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE FAMILY OF EU!!
@tzakos1982 Your lies cannot go forever. We are determined to succeed. Your economy is in shreds. You will desintegrate from inside. Our people in Southern Macedonia know who they are, you changed their names and they appear peaceful. But wait and see... Greece will be again Athens, Sparta, and that's about it....
You dare to speak about lies you homo erectus of a wannabe fake country?????Just goole macedonia evidence and see what the world's most famous historians say about macedonia!!!You are just ethnic bulgars in denila..And something that you must not forget...We the greeks like thebans,spartans,athenians,macedonians,aetolians and all the greek tribes we are UNITED WHEN SOMEONE IS THREATEN US....So make your move....MACEDONIA IS GREECE SLAVS OF VARDARSKA AND IDENTITY THEFT IS FELONY!!!!!
Every weekend i am in Bitola and f*ck your entire family for 5 eurocent!!!ha,ha,ha!!Happy new "no eu-nato entry" year!!!For once again!!AS LONG AS YOU FALSIFY AND STEAL HISTORY YO WILL STAY OUT!!Now prepare to make the albanian language official and their flag will wave in the same size with yours!!If you dont give them their rights prepare to be the new Kosovo..
@tzakos1982 if you are every night in Bitola, you are the biggest coward in the nation full of cowards :)
i was several months in Bitola and met lots of bitches like you... they always had the head bowed down, and always spoke that "Atina make politics, we respect you" , bla bla, drn drn...
Bitches, "bro", bitches :)
Thats what you are :P
Btw, if you did not got it yet: we don´t want to be in EU and NATO, stupid...
omgg cant believe what these people say.... i just cant believeee ! r they mentally challenged?! this is a shame for the greek government or whatever nation u people r... greece is beautiful country but the people r waaaay too retarded
@TrueMakedonian megali logia ... mprabo!!! htroph sas ! and there is not such thing as a vardarska its only macedonia ! THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA :) GIA SAS
@TrueMakedonian ime misi elinas re malaka !!! h mhtera mou ine ap to larisa... and there are many map showing the whole macedonia living macedonians there and not greeks ... even there is a map where the country that you call vardarska is recognized by the name MAKEDONIA by your country... so shut the fuck up and never write to me again.... you r full of bullshit and propaganda! get a life
@TrueMakedonian МАКЕДОНИЈА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ. Ego ime Makedonas esi ise tsinganos apo tin Ethyopia. Kseris na milas Makedoniki? ohi! Gjati? Esi ise tsinganos, negros. Ego katalaveno Makedoniki, Elliniki, Angliki.. Esi kseros na fas skata vre malaka. Смрт за Грци, Бугари, Шиптари. ДА ЖИВЕЕ МАКЕДОНИЈА
@TrueMakedonian makeonikh= ellhniki ? since when? ccc oh god such a loser
IM MACEDONIAN SO THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MACEDONIA AND WHAT ARE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MACEDONIA? YOU ARE GREEK ? SO FIGHT FOR GREECE NOT SOME OTHER COUNTRY...
and bulgarians are not slav!!!!! THEY ARE BULGARIANSS!!! THEY R NOT SLAVS! LEARN SOME HISTORY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND JUST FOR ONCE STOP SWEARING!!!! WHAT A CULTURE SOMETHIMES IM ASHAMED IM HALF GREEK...
@TrueMakedonian TI MOU MILAS REEE.... DEN KATALAVENEIS TIPOTA !!!! They wrote in greek because greek language was widely used by everyone back then but they had their own language which was macedonian ... Plutarh wrote this : And Alexander said on his barbaric language to his army...!
and how come Macedonians were barbarians back then and now all the sudden they are Greeks? Please you are full of bullshit ! AMAN RE MALAKA
@kosterot Ha ha ha !!!!! Then why alexander said : I am proud i was born GREEK ? Why was he saying that hes ancestor was HERCULES ???? Hercules was not GREEK ? What about their names ? GREEK. If they spoke another language why did they use only 1 name and was a GREEK NAME ? Why did they had GREEK GODS ? Why Alexander spread HELLINISM to every place he went ? Why ?????? Because makedonians = GREEKS. You are just a brainwashed slav who speaks BULGARIAN DILECT. Ενας ΜΑΛΑΚΑΣ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΣ ΕΙΣΑΙ.
@TrueMakedonian i told u about the language you moron!!!! you r brainwashed you dont listen what other people say!!!!
why alexander the first was called filhelen( friend of the helens) ? BECAUSE HE WAS GREEK ? OR FRIEND OF THE GREEKS ???
I DONT SPEAK BULGARIAN DIALECT PEOPLE IN BULGARIA SPEAK MACEDONIAN DIALECT I SPEAK PURE MACEDONIAN ! I DONT CARE WHAT YOUR STUPID GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU YOU CANT TELL WHAT LANGUAGE SOMEONES SPEAK JUST BECAUSE U THINK SO... WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?? RETARD
@TrueMakedonian i dont want to become greek stupid im part greek my mom is from Larissa!! lucky for me i got macedonian genes from my father... if i got greek i would be hairy chubby fat and black and the most important CRAZY NEANDERTHAL ... im ashamed of my part greek herigtage so i never tell im part greek...
@kosterot You are not Greek so you cannot be ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ.
You didnt answer : Why many of fyro-vardarka's politics have said the truth , that you are : SLAVS AND YOU DONT HAVE A CONNECTION WHY ANCIENT GREEK MAKEDONIA AND ALEXANDER.
@TrueMakedonian OMGGG KIRO GLIGOROF SAID THAT... AND JUST HIM!!! NOONE ELSE! HE SAID THAT SO THAT YOU GUYS STOP YOUR STUPID THE MOST RETARDED POLITICS IN THE WORLD AND LEAVE US ALONE! THATS WHY! AND HE IS NOONE TO TELL WHAT AM I !!! NOONE CAN TELL EXCEPT ME! GOOD DEMOCRACY THO! GOOD JOB FOR YA!
@kosterot Here , take the link with the maleski's interview.He clearly says that you invent all this fake history with makedonians and alexander because you didnt have old history. youtube.com/watch?v=dlDLmufGHqQ&feature=channel_video_title
@TrueMakedonian ok he just said that you proveked us to dig a little dipper in our roots and force us to be angry and overprotective digging in our roots in the time of alexander. Before that in yugoslavia it was forbidden to talk about alexander and the great nation! if u want i can give you my msn and explain to you better!
@TrueMakedonian first of all its greek translation so i personally dont believe anything that is touched by a greek when we talk about the name issue! im not brainwashed my grand grand grand parents told to each generation that we are macedonians ! its not something we study at school like you do! YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR EDUCATION! LIKE I SAID IF U WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING WHAT WE ARE FINGHTING ABOUT ADD ME OD MSN ILL BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU OTHERWISE STOP WRTITING HERE ITS ANNOYING
@TrueMakedonian MHMMM yeaa do u also feel like that for the banished macedonians in 1948 ? and moving pseudo-greeks form asia instead of them? and erasing the name of the cities villages and everything else !! renameing the whole families for those who stayed giving them greek names ? DO YOU STUDY ABOUT THEM TOO? CAUSE THEY ARE STILL ALIVE YOU KNOW... OLD BUT ALIVE AND THEY CAN TELL!! I DONT NEED TO READ IN ANY BOOK OR TO HEAR SOMEONE THAT SAID MACEDONIA IS GREEK! I KNOW ITS NOT !
And you beilive everything they tell you without searching it , thats the problem.
Do you know that 100 history professors from every place of the world have sent a letter to Obama with their siganutures , and they ask him to tell you stop all these lies about makedonia , because makedonia is GREEK ?
Just search internet and you will find the letter and their names.
And they did it not because Greece told them to do it , but by thereselves.
@TrueMakedonian the place that live?? lol well listen there were many many greeks in the past coming there priests and everything trying to prove us that we are greeks! they had even a greek schools that every citizen must go! AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING THAT IS PAIONIA ! OK GREECE ITS JUST A BIG FAILURE AS A COUNTRY... THIS IS MY LAST REPLY TO YOU!
I know i gave you so strong proofs that you are so confused now.
Its ok.
My last reply was the 320 + (and continue getting larger) proffesors from all over the world that say you have nothing to do with ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ and they proove it with so many historical facts.
@TrueMakedonian We read the letter, do not worry. Most of the professors are Greeks or with Greeks roots. You should take some Greek documents where you will find Macedonians as separate ethnicity with their own language. Then, ask your Government why it allowed such documents, many, many years ago! Start with the Greek documents, then you can continue with the others. Then you will see what proofs are when it comes to this issue.
@TrueMakedonian Have you seen ALL of the documents? No, only that of the ancient period. About the language of the Ancient Macedonians, there are testimonies that say otherwise. Also, the Greek culture was practiced even by the Romans, and other people. Does that make them Greek too? Of course not. And I dare to answer whatever you like. Do you dare to see all the documents, that is the real question you have to answer yourself.
@TrueMakedonian I have seen the stones,the temples and I am quite familiar with those things. But are you familiar with other things than stones?Did all the historians of that time say that Macedonians were Greeks?Of course not.Romans did not speak Greek,but many Thracians used Greek very much in their communication. Are the Thracians Greek?About the failed politician, the thing that he was pro-Yugoslav when Yugoslavia was collapsing says all. And he is just one politician, not all politicians.
@TrueMakedonian Have you seen all the evidence? The written evidence?You can believe what you want, it is your problem, not mine. Gligorov and Maleski are politicians that were part of the Yugoslav Communist Party.That is what they were taught- that is what they will say.When Yugoslavia was collapsing, Denko Maleski said:"Towards independent Macedonia you will go without me".That says enough. And when it comes to politics, see how Greece called Macedonia thirty years ago.There is a document too.
@TrueMakedonian It is not our problem. I was talking about my country. In the past Greece did not have the problem with naming it Socialist Republic of Macedonia.I have a document that proves that. And we never changed our name, others did that to us.In Kingdom Yugoslavia we were not free people, we were occupied by the Serbs, which named the place Vardarska Banovina.Even the Romans considered Aprhodite and Eneas their ancestor...are they Greeks too?Alexander also considered Amon Ra his father.
@macedonian89 Sorry but your answers are from another planet.You dont aproove ancient scripts and writtings and you say you have a document that prooves something ??? LOL
You cannot use a stolen Greek name for your country.Sorry......
Bye the way if you are makedonian , then i am E.T !!! LOL
Bye i go to sweem to aegian beautifull Greek makedonian sea.
p.s as i said romans just copy Greeks. Something like you try to do.
ps2: Give me the ancient script to read that about ΜΕΓΑ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟ.
@TrueMakedonian As I said you can think whatever you like,it is your problem,not mine.Be what you like, I do not care.I know what I and my ancestors were. I would not swim in the Aegean Sea, instead,I am going to visit my relatives in Kostur ;)
I never mentioned an ancient script,I mentioned a document addressed by Greece to the Socialist Republic of Macedonia,and it is addressed with the name MACEDONIA.Go and ask your officials why did they use that name in the past.
2) For one more time : If you are makedonians then why you change your language and now you speak BULGARIAN DILECT ? And why you change your Greek names and now you have slavo-bulgarian names ?
3) why your politics have said that you are more BULGARIANS THAN BULGARIANS ?
3)Its your problem and you know it.......You dont have history so YOU JUST CREATE IT !!! ( DENKO MALEVSKI)
@TrueMakedonian It is not Macedonian document, it is a document sent by Greece. The other thing you said is bla bla bla. And we did not make a DNA test, the Swiss made one.
@TrueMakedonian Sorry, ehtnic Macedonians ARE NOT Greeks. Believe what you want, it is your problem, udnerstand that. Here, nobody cares what you think. We are ethnic Macedonians, we have our Macedonian language and identity. And that identity was never Greek! WE never changed name and identity. Tell me, are the Copts Arabs because they speak today the Arabic language?
@macedonian89 We , the REAL ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE : GREEK.
So you say that you speak makedonian language , when you know that your language was made from BULGARIAN language by kirilos and methodios......and its a Bulgarian dilect.
If you speak makedonian , then why all the ancient scripts are in GREEK.
There is NOT EVEN ONE that is not in Greek language.
So answer me ,,,, why ?????
Because as you understunt , if you had that language in the ancient years , you should write too.LOL
@TrueMakedonian Our language is a separate Macedonian language, similar to the other Slavic languages. In short, when the Slavs came here, we assimilated, and we only kept the identity Macedonian and the religion, because the Slavs did not had national identity. So, we are mix of Slavs and the people here, with our own Macedonian identity. And the Ancien t Macedonians used Greek, but there are writings that suggest that they had even their own language. Read about the judgement of Philotas.
@TrueMakedonian You really do not understand English, do you? I said that the people that lived here, when the Slavs came, accepted the Slavic language. And that language is Macedonian, it is called Macedonian, because the Slavs came here, mixed with the people here, and that people called their Language Macedonian. We never spoke Bulgarian, understand that. Our language is similar with Bulgarian, and with other lagnuage, but it is not Bulgarian. As I said many times, believe what you want.
@TrueMakedonian If Byzantium was so strong as you said, why did not stop the Slavs coming? Did our people had a state at that time, to protect? No, we were all under Byzantium. Saint Cyril and Sanit Methodius invented the alphabet and wrote the first Slavic books, but the Slavs came in the VI century, and they spoke Slavic before Cyril and Methodius did that in the IX century. And from that Slavic language, the Macedonian, Bulgarian, Serbian etc languages evolved.And I do not speak Bulgarian.
@TrueMakedonian You can say what you want, it is your opinion-your choice. But I do not speak Bulgarian, sorry. Try the case with the judgement of Philotas, there you will something interesting.
@macedonian89 No its not my opinion , its the history , and as you know all countries except vardarska learns one same thing in school : μακεδονια = ελλαδα
Dont believe me ?
Go and ask a chinese , american , italian , english etc what they learn in school.You will be dissapointed....i am sure
Remember the american film alexander : FOR THE GLORY OF GREECE.
Do you know IRON MAIDEN'S song Alexander ?
In the lyrics says : in a place of ancient GREECE.
@TrueMakedonian Sorry to disappoint you, but, not all countries support you. Many countries learn that Macedonians are separate nation, not only today, but in the past too. I came to many books from there. So you are not right. Read even what West Point wrote in some texts. There is no unified opinion about the questions.Especially about the language. All the world calls our language Macedonian, and it is recognized as such.Do not believe the films, music. They do not represent the truth always.
@macedonian89 Sorry to dissapoint you but all countries and i mean ALL as i told you in school they learn that REAL makedonia is a place in Greece and that Alexander was a Greek makedonian king.
In america there is a town that they have call it ATHENS.
Do you think they dont know where is the real athens ? LOL
They may call you macedonians or macedonia but they know that you have nothing to do with the REAL MAKEDONIAS.If you call your name macdonalds they would call you macdonalds.
@TrueMakedonian West Point is in the USA. They study the tactics of Alexander and in many textbooks there, they say that he was leading Macedonian and Greek army. There is an Encyclopedia published by Harvard and they call our language MACEDONIAN, and it is written that it is spoken in Macedonia, part of Bulgaria, and guess where- Northern Greece. do you know who is speaking Macedonian there? Little help: Those that you did not succeed to evict from their homes from Kostur,Lerin, Voden.
@TrueMakedonian That is written even in the history books here.But here a question is raised.Why Greece united against Macedonia?Nearly all cities united.I know you would say that it was some kind of civil war, and that not all fought against Philip,but I must remind you,that not all fought against Persia too. Nobody denies that the Macedonians were in part helenized,or that Alexander admired the Greek culture and spread it, but,that does not make him pure Greek.There is a good book about this.
@macedonian89 When he was saying he was proud to be born Greek there no doupt.
If they were not Greeks but in part helenized as you said , why there is not even one ancient script in the language they speak or one name that was not Greek.
There should be evidence dont you think ???
But there is not even one.
Alexander wanted to have all hellines together and stop fighting each other.
So thats what he did.
Do you know that the star of vergina is a pan hellenic symbol ?
@TrueMakedonian Do you know what is politics? He needed to stress the unification of the people he was leading. And also, at that time the Macedonians adopted the Greek culture. The helenization of the Macedonians was going on. You also know what Alexander said to Philotas on his trial, right? Of course he wanted all Hellenes to stop fighting, he needed that because of the war and campaign. About the star, I can find you similar stars from all the world. Do you know what our lion symbolizes?
@macedonian89 You didnt answer why there are not names and ancient scripts with the (macedonian) LOL language.
The lion you use now is a bulgarian symbol you stole from bulgaria.You try to steal bulgarian heroes also.
Alexander had a lion coat just like HERCULES bacause he believed he was his ancestor.
As for the panhellenic star there is no similar star like this.This star is on spartan's shields , statues of athena etc.Do you know what is the meaning of this star?
@TrueMakedonian Because they maybe did not have even its own alphabet, and they used Greek for writing. There is no unified opinion about this issue. The lion we now use is used by us even in the Middle Ages, and does not have relation with the Bulgarian lion. Have you read who the lion represents? In many scripts, including Pseudo-Calisthenes, it represents Alexander. In the middle Ages, it also represents Alexander and Macedonia. Search for that. I can't show a picture in a comment...
@TrueMakedonian I say maybe, because even science has no unified opinion about this issues. Some professors say this,others do not agree.There is not a unified opinion. Even Copts use Greek letters, and Greek words, but they are not Greek.Our lion is much older than the Bulgarian, and symbolizes Alexander. Even in many medieval sources the lion symbolizes Macedonia and is its coat of arms. The Bulgarian lion symbolizes something else. You have that in many medieval manuscripts. Search for them.
@macedonian89 99% proffesors say that macedonia = Greece.
By the way , even Gruevski (half macedonian because he has greek roots) when our president told him that is not good for you to built statues of Greek Kings and present them like yours , didnt dissagree.
He didnt say , no they are not Greeks.
If i were you , i would be feel stupid to believe that my ancestors spoke another language than the language i speak now , had different names etc.
@TrueMakedonian Gruevski does not have Greek roots. He is the same as me,half of my ancestors are from Kostur (Kastoria), and we were not Greek! Gruevski's village is not Greek.We are Macedonians,not Greek. If we were Greek,half of our families would not have been imprisoned because we didn't want to talk Greek between ourselves.And many killed.I don'i believe about the talk of Gruevski with Pappulias.Gruevski is a nationalist, he is the one that raised the question about the evicted ones...
@macedonian89 Sorry but : NO GREEK = CANNOT BE MACEDONIAN. kostur !!! LOL καστορια. Sorry it was not papulias. Its was papandreou. I will find a video and i will sent you the link. I dont know if they have allready upload it here. So video will make you believe. Gruevski villgage is not Greek ??? LOL Come on....... So you were macedonians and didnt want to talk greek??? How strange : alexander spread hellenism and now you said you dont want to speak Greek.... I think you are confused.
@TrueMakedonian For me it is Kostur. Gruevski's villages, just like the one of my mother, is not a Greek one. There live people that are not ethnic Greeks, just like my family, and Gruevski's. We were ethnic Macedonians, and speak Macedonian language. And about the changed language, the language was changed in VI century. The same happened with the English, the Copts etc. In Romania official language for some period was Old Church Slavonic. Does that make them Slavs? Of course not!
@TrueMakedonian The father of my grandmother fought in the Greek army against the Turks too. Did he like that? No, he did not! But he was recruited, and had to go. After that, the Greeks thanked him, by robbing him, putting his wife in prison and in the end- stabbing him to death. His name is also in those lists. Did they change anything? No! I know even the Greek names of everything, but I will never use them, for the sake of those members of my family that lost everything because of Greece.
@macedonian89 I dont believe anything ( just like you said about dont believe anything Greek).Vardarska is a place without history.
Why dont you go to the village of gruevski ( what a macedonian name !!!! LOL ) and tell them that Γρουίος was not Greek and that their village (αχλαδιά) is not Greek.
Then start running because all of them would like to kill you......
Who cares if you use Greek names or not ?
But without using Greek names you just say : HELLO I AM SLAV AND SPEAK BULGARIAN !!! LOL
@TrueMakedonian Believe what you want. I never said I do not believe anything Greek, but that the recruiting in the army is not voluntarily. I know the village very well, many of its residents live here since the Greek Civil War. We all have relatives there, we know who is who. Even nowadays in those villages speak language that is the very same as we speak here. They sing the same songs. Check youtube, see clips of feasts in those villages here, on youtube.You would believe your eyes the best.
@TrueMakedonian I asked myself the same question more then ten times, and still did not find the answer. Please, do not call me friend. Macedonia was not Greek throughout all history. When the Slavs came, was it Greek even then? And it is not Tito that created us, we are not artificial nation as they teach you. Even Britain in 1944 was pressing for a creation of Macedonia. And Britain obviously was not a communist state and did not want to support communism.
@macedonian89 I call you Friend because i dont know how to call you : slav , bulgarian , vardarskian ... what ? How could i think of you as a friend ??? LOL You are trying to steal my history...... Go to the british musiem. There are some ancient macedonians artifacts. Under them their is a plate. Guess what is written on it ??? LOL MACEDONIAN - GREECE Even there..... Go to the egyptians and tell them you are macedonian but not Greek.... They will laugh AND MAYBE KILL YOU !!!
@TrueMakedonian It is better not to call me any how. And I am not trying to steal anything. And please, if we are robbers, you are mass murderers.You destroyed many lives,only because those people did not want to be Greeks,and they never were.I have two friends of Egypt,sorry but they recognize that Macedonians are a separate nation and with its own history. A friend of Syria says that too. He even knows what you done to the Aegeans. Look at the British document I mentioned and see what i said.
@TrueMakedonian Nobody wants your history. If with all those talks you can not understand that we do not want your history, then whatever I say would be in vain. Believe what you want, if it makes you happy, nothing more should be said. If you can not remember why and when Macedonia was divided and who suffered the most with that division, what else should we say...
@TrueMakedonian I do not care who admires your history, and who does not. But, do not be so sure that everybody loves you. I was travelling across Europe two weeks ago, the picture when your country was mentioned was far from what you think, especially in Germany. I do not need to google Paionia, you should google Macedonia in 1913, then you would see why the border is where it is. No one asked my people when deciding the border to be there...
@TrueMakedonian Believe me, they do not. And they are not the only one. Many,many others. I do not admire Greece, in that you can be sure.I am not confused, I understand very well what Paionia is and where it was.If you want to be precise, when this was incorporated into Macedonia,the Paionians assimilated, and that is why even Romans called this place Macedonia, dividing it into Macedonia Prima and Macedonia Secunda.About your economy, I can see many companies from Greece move here. Think why.
@TrueMakedonian These companies use the name MACEDONIA for us, and they even promote our products with the name Macedonia. I care only about my relatives and friends there, not about your economy. That is your problem, not mine. Do not pity me. I do not need your pity or anything else from you.
@TrueMakedonian You had problem even before the issue about Alexander was raised. Even when Kiro Gligorov said that, according to him,we did not have connection with Alexander and that we are Macedonians because the Slavs were majority in Macedonia and accepted a Macedonian identity, you were making the same problems.So keep the stories for yourself, because deeds testify about you. And no you, no anyone else can tell me for whom should i pray. I thought you said you had enough of this talk?
και ολος ο κοσμος σας κοροιδευει !!! χα χα χα !!!!
I am talking with you because some of your sayings just proove that μακεδονια is a place in Greece , and because i am laughing with your funny answers !!!!
So you accepted the Greek identity , because a macedonian is a greek , just like a spartan.
@TrueMakedonian I told you not to call me anyhow, Understood that? And I understand Greek a bit, so, maybe someone laughs at us, but many curse you nowadays, that is for sure. I never accepted anything, stop dreaming. And do not waste your time laughing with me, go doing something smarter, if you have of course. We learn about the Battle of Thermopylae, and the role of the Greek king Leonidas in it. Satisfied?
@TrueMakedonian I told you I don't want you to call me any how. And we did not use the word vardarska, other used it for us. The Serbs, when occupying our places, did that. And by the way, just to know, vardarska is an adjective, not a noun or name. There is no proof that Macedonians and Spartans are the same tribe. And not only the Spartans and Macedonians had kingdom ,others had kingdoms too.
@macedonian89 I forgot to mention that you cannot use the stolen Greek name NOT EVEN IN THE STUPID EUROVISION !!!! LOL
Even there you are F.Y.R.O.(M)
So as you see everyone knows.
Last week i was speaking with a chinese and when i told you about vardarska says macedonia is not greek and alexander was not greek , he started laughing.
He said that in their schools they learn the truth.
By the way do you know how many are chinese ??? LOL
@TrueMakedonian We do not use that name because of legal reasons. If we use that name there, we would make ourselves a "bear's favour". Speak with whomever you want. I have spoken to many, many foreigners. And they say: Never give up, fight for your identity till the end! So is that chatting a proof? Of course not!
@TrueMakedonian No I am not, check some American sources. Check other too. You are the one that lied and told that translate.google calls the language Slavomacedonian, and in English, French and German it is clearly called-Macedonian. Solun is an abbreviation of Salonika. And I explained you about the language of my people, its history, and how things changed with the arrival of the Slavs. I do not plan to repeat myself 100 times, it would ruin the discussion.
@TrueMakedonian really? check translate.google.com and see how it is written MACEDONIAN. Open the English version, not the Greek one. I know how it is written in the Greek one. Open the English, the German and the French. You willl find Macedonian, Mazedonisch and macedonien. So, we are not the ones that lost the battle, it is you.
@TrueMakedonian We do not care about you, or your opinion. To be sincere, about me, I have many, many, many documents in my PC that prove that a separate Macedonian people, identity and language existed, and it still exists. You know that even today in Northern Greece, the people sings the song in the SAME language we speak, in fact, youtube is full with videos of those feasts.
@macedonian89 I forgot to mention something very important : Before 3 days , our president told to Gruevski that its no good for you to built statues of the Greek kings Αλεξανδρος and Φίλιππος , and Gruevski didnt deny that both are GREEKS because he didnt tell nothing !!! LOL
@TrueMakedonian Gruevski is part of the people that in 1949 had to leave Greece, he is no Greek.The village of Gruevski was not Greek,it was Macedonian.He is the same as me.My mother is from Kosutr (Kastoria),but we were never Greek. So do not expect Gruevski to say this. Because of Gruevski and the people you expelled in 1949,you will have big problems, believe me. There is a procedure in Strasbourg going on, about the property issues. We will see who will laugh at the end...we or the prosfigi
@TrueMakedonian ok r you reatarded?? NOBODY WANTS TO BE GREEK WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! If somebody call me greek im gonna fucking brake his face MALAKA arabikii lol monkeys you can find in ethiopia which btw is your real county and stop writing you are annoying like hell
@RedDeadRevolva lmfaoo if i am a slav u r aslo ... slav tribes were huge and they didnt stop in macedonia they went all the way to athens ... and being a slav is nothing bad like u say its part of the history of a balcans stupid idiot
@kosterot you know what is funny...rootless people allways talk in general ...maybe cause they dont know about their Personal history...you say to be a slav is nothing bad and its part of the Balkan history & if you are an slav them me also ...reality is ..that is part of your history maybe :d ...i know what iam google "Sarakatsanoi" we are native Makedonians pls dont start to cry u wanne be...next time try harder pls
@TrueMakedonian WHAT ARE YOU SAYING PUSSY I CAN PUT MY MACEDONIAN DICK IN YOUR MOTHERS UGLY PUSSY AND I CAN CUM IN YOUR GIPSSY ETHIOPIAN MOUTH OK HELLASSHOLE I WILL
DICK SHIT AND DEATH FOR THE GAYREEK ETHIOPIAN PUSSYS
You are a brainwashed Slav who speaks BULGARIAN DILECT.
Even your politics have admit the truth : We are slavs and we have no connection with the ancient Greek makedonians AND Alexander the Greek king ( KIRO GLIGOROV )
@TrueMakedonian STUPID GAYREEK ETHIOPIAN PUSSY I DON'T WANT TO BE A GAYREEK I'M NOT PUSSY LIKE YOU I'M MACEDONIAN AND YOU MY HELLASSHOLE PUSSY BITCH WILL BE ALLWAY JUST SAMLL PATETIC GAYREEK ETHIOPIAN PUSSY WHO SPEAK GIPSSY LANGUAGE YOU CAN SUCK MY MACEDONIAN DICK AS LONG AS YOU WANT BUT YOU NEVER CAN BE A MACEDONIAN
@TrueMakedonian sorry fag but the gayreece is leading country in fag population that is a fact you can see even in you name of your fag nation GAY-REEKS and pussy l know that you are a 100% pussy or fag and you and the rest of your family can SUCK MY 100% MACEDONIAN DICK
ΝΑ ΦΤΙΑΞΩ ΚΙ ΕΓΩ ΤΟ ΛΕΞΙΚΟ ΤΟΥ ΒΥΘΟΥ ΤΗΣ ΠΙΤΣΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑΣΩ 'ΛΕΞΙΚΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΤΡΟΥ' ΜΗΠΩΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΠΟΚΤΗΣΩ ΤΑΥΤΟΤΗΤΑ, ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ, ΠΕΡΙΣΣΟΤΕΡΗ ΧΩΡΑ, ΔΙΕΞΟΔΟ ΣΤΗ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΑ, ΚΑΙ ΟΛΑ ΑΥΤΑ ΒΕΒΑΙΑ ΜΕ 'ΕΙΡΗΝΙΚΟ' ΤΡΟΠΟ...
irodaneti 1 month ago
@irodaneti βασικά ακου τι λεει μια παρομοιώσει οταν ειδε την γυναίκα του να πηδιετε με αράπη έφυγε σαν τρεμοπουλος
666Beefman 1 month ago
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FYROMacedonian language] Was not created by natural means, as all other languages in the world, but was created by political circumstances. It is absurd, that it was created on a certain date -- namely August 2nd, 1944, and at certain place -- the monastery "Prohor Pchinski", with a decree. Such an event has not happened to any other language in the world.
MONKEYDONSKI one of a kind !!! timeless Joke of the Balkans !!
FYROMSKI 2 months ago
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MAKEDONIA was never Greek that is a FAKT.
Alexander the great was never Greek, he was a MAKEDONIAN KING.
Greeks STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN history .
Viva la MAKEDONIA.
Devoj4E 2 months ago
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"Our northest land is Thessaly. Greeks use long skirt there by the winter." Strabon.12:14:02...hmmm...Macedonia is nothern of Thessaly as i know...
"Наша најсевернија земља је Тесалија. Тамо Грци носе дуге сукње кад је зима" ...Strabon...Коме ли је, поред овог, потребан још неки доказ да су Македонија и Грчка биле две одвојене земље?
zorandada 3 months ago
you are just albanian and vlach sheppards who were told that they are descendants of something way back in the history. your part of macedonia was occupied in 1912 and you know that very well. for 14 centuries, that territory belongs to us, to the people who inhabited it. so fuck yourself
lennycoh 3 months ago
Poor Greeks. Poor poor greeks. With all these money you were getting all these years, all you did was printing books on your supposed greatness. But nobody is buying those books anymore... No European will shed a tear on your misery anymore. You are going down.
lennycoh 4 months ago
@lennycoh
"No european will shed a tear on your misery anymore"Look at yourselves pathetic miserable slavs of vardarska!!!!For 6th time in a row EU doesnt recognise language and ethnicity for your bast*rd nation!!Justice is prevailing you falsifiers of the glorious greek history of macedonia!!!THIEVES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE FAMILY OF EU!!
tzakos1982 3 months ago
@tzakos1982 Your lies cannot go forever. We are determined to succeed. Your economy is in shreds. You will desintegrate from inside. Our people in Southern Macedonia know who they are, you changed their names and they appear peaceful. But wait and see... Greece will be again Athens, Sparta, and that's about it....
lennycoh 3 months ago
@lennycoh
You dare to speak about lies you homo erectus of a wannabe fake country?????Just goole macedonia evidence and see what the world's most famous historians say about macedonia!!!You are just ethnic bulgars in denila..And something that you must not forget...We the greeks like thebans,spartans,athenians,macedonians,aetolians and all the greek tribes we are UNITED WHEN SOMEONE IS THREATEN US....So make your move....MACEDONIA IS GREECE SLAVS OF VARDARSKA AND IDENTITY THEFT IS FELONY!!!!!
tzakos1982 3 months ago
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@tzakos1982 Greece did not exist as a state at the time of Macedonia !!!!! at the time of Philip and Alexander the Greeks the name did not exist
makedoniaPower 2 months ago
@tzakos1982 whatever pills you are taking, change them, they hurting you :) And get some work, malaka, stop living on other ppls land and account :)
LihnidRootz 2 months ago
@LihnidRootz
I live in the land of my forefathers you stupid maimun of vardarska shithole......Now go fuck your goat and back in your cave.....
tzakos1982 2 months ago
@tzakos1982 send your sister to my brother, loser... i will give you few cents :)
you need money, you are our bitches
always were ^^
LihnidRootz 1 month ago
@LihnidRootz
Every weekend i am in Bitola and f*ck your entire family for 5 eurocent!!!ha,ha,ha!!Happy new "no eu-nato entry" year!!!For once again!!AS LONG AS YOU FALSIFY AND STEAL HISTORY YO WILL STAY OUT!!Now prepare to make the albanian language official and their flag will wave in the same size with yours!!If you dont give them their rights prepare to be the new Kosovo..
tzakos1982 1 month ago
@tzakos1982 if you are every night in Bitola, you are the biggest coward in the nation full of cowards :)
i was several months in Bitola and met lots of bitches like you... they always had the head bowed down, and always spoke that "Atina make politics, we respect you" , bla bla, drn drn...
Bitches, "bro", bitches :)
Thats what you are :P
Btw, if you did not got it yet: we don´t want to be in EU and NATO, stupid...
LihnidRootz 1 month ago
@tzakos1982 and yeah, my brother sends greetings to your sister :)
LihnidRootz 1 month ago
skopians are fucked
americans use them until greater albania is buildt
uoitofsogroj 5 months ago
само атомска бомба за грција
TheFocco 5 months ago
Greeks are nuts. Instead of making a deal with Turkey,
so that the Pontic language can be kept alive,
they're trying to figure out how to annihilate the few Macedonians that remain in Greek Macedonia.
Sick fascists. Just like Hitler.
He was more worried about killing Jews than saving German lives.
SadieMirsade 5 months ago
LONG LIVE MACEDONIA !
GREECE SPEAK ONLY LIES
MultiShark2001 6 months ago
I lied ??? LOL
Give me your email to sent you screens.
Its clearly says : slavomacedonian.
Solun is a slavic word and doesnt means anything.
Tell me what μακεδονια means in your language.
Is it Greek word or not.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
omgg cant believe what these people say.... i just cant believeee ! r they mentally challenged?! this is a shame for the greek government or whatever nation u people r... greece is beautiful country but the people r waaaay too retarded
kosterot 8 months ago
@kosterot
For humanity's sake you are an ingenious !!!!
Georgios763 8 months ago
@kosterot Hello monkey do ninja !!!!
Εισαι μακεδονας ρε μαλακα εσυ ?????
Σου γαμαω τα σκοπια και ολη την βαρδαρσκα σου μαλακα σκοπιανε γαμω το μουνι που σε εβγαλε και τον πουστη τον πατερα σου.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian megali logia ... mprabo!!! htroph sas ! and there is not such thing as a vardarska its only macedonia ! THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA :) GIA SAS
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot If you want to say you are makedonas , then first you must learn GREEK.
Fyro-vardarska is your real name and you know it.
There are many many maps , even post stamps with the name VARDARSKA.
There is no republic of macedonia.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian ime misi elinas re malaka !!! h mhtera mou ine ap to larisa... and there are many map showing the whole macedonia living macedonians there and not greeks ... even there is a map where the country that you call vardarska is recognized by the name MAKEDONIA by your country... so shut the fuck up and never write to me again.... you r full of bullshit and propaganda! get a life
kosterot 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian МАКЕДОНИЈА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ. Ego ime Makedonas esi ise tsinganos apo tin Ethyopia. Kseris na milas Makedoniki? ohi! Gjati? Esi ise tsinganos, negros. Ego katalaveno Makedoniki, Elliniki, Angliki.. Esi kseros na fas skata vre malaka. Смрт за Грци, Бугари, Шиптари. ДА ЖИВЕЕ МАКЕДОНИЈА
ellenofag 7 months ago
@ellenofag Ενας ΜΑΛΑΚΑΣ εισαι σκατο σκοπιανος.
Αρχιδια μακεδονας εισαι ρε μαλακα.
Please write at least Greek Or English.
I dont know BULGARIAN DILECT.
I am Greek MAKEDONAS , not monkey from fyro-vardarska.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@ellenofag Δεν υπαρχει μακεδονικη γλωσσα ρε ΜΑΛΑΚΑ.
Ελληνικα μονο μιλανε οι ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot Σκασε μαλακα σκοπιανε.
Η μακεδονια ειναι μονο 1 και ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian skase re mogole... makedonia ine mono makedonikh
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Ακριβως μακεδονικη = ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ,
Τι σχεση εχεις εσυ με την μακεδονια ρε ΜΑΛΑΚΑ ???
Εισαι σλαβος και μιλας ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΙΚΑ.
Σου γαμαω ολη την ΒΑΡΔΑΡΣΚΑ σου αρχιδι.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΜΟΝΟ 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian makeonikh= ellhniki ? since when? ccc oh god such a loser
IM MACEDONIAN SO THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MACEDONIA AND WHAT ARE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MACEDONIA? YOU ARE GREEK ? SO FIGHT FOR GREECE NOT SOME OTHER COUNTRY...
and bulgarians are not slav!!!!! THEY ARE BULGARIANSS!!! THEY R NOT SLAVS! LEARN SOME HISTORY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND JUST FOR ONCE STOP SWEARING!!!! WHAT A CULTURE SOMETHIMES IM ASHAMED IM HALF GREEK...
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Ρε μαλακα , οι μακεδονες μονο ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ ΜΙΛΟΥΣΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΜΙΛΑΝΕ.
Makedonia was always a Greek place.
History prooves it , ancient artifacts prooves it , alexander was saying he is proud to be born Greek.
Your politics have admit the truth many many times : WE ARE SLAVS AND HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH ANCIENT GREEK MAKEDONIA AND ALEXANDER .
So stupid vardarskian , what are you trying to proove ?
You are just a dirty rotten vardarskian who speaks BULGARIAN.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot Ρε σκατο σκοπιανε , δειξε μου εστω και ενα αρχαιο μακεδονικο μνημειο που να μην εχει την ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΓΛΩΣΣΑ.
Πες μου εστω και 1 μακεδονικο ονομα που να μην ειναι ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ.
Εστω και ενα ρε πουτανας γιε !!!!!
Γαμω την βαρδασκα σου πουστη.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian TI MOU MILAS REEE.... DEN KATALAVENEIS TIPOTA !!!! They wrote in greek because greek language was widely used by everyone back then but they had their own language which was macedonian ... Plutarh wrote this : And Alexander said on his barbaric language to his army...!
and how come Macedonians were barbarians back then and now all the sudden they are Greeks? Please you are full of bullshit ! AMAN RE MALAKA
kosterot 7 months ago
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian i told u about the language you moron!!!! you r brainwashed you dont listen what other people say!!!!
why alexander the first was called filhelen( friend of the helens) ? BECAUSE HE WAS GREEK ? OR FRIEND OF THE GREEKS ???
I DONT SPEAK BULGARIAN DIALECT PEOPLE IN BULGARIA SPEAK MACEDONIAN DIALECT I SPEAK PURE MACEDONIAN ! I DONT CARE WHAT YOUR STUPID GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU YOU CANT TELL WHAT LANGUAGE SOMEONES SPEAK JUST BECAUSE U THINK SO... WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?? RETARD
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot LOL !!!!
ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΓΙΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΟΤΕ , ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ , ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ΕΕΕ ΕΕΕ !!!
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian i dont want to become greek stupid im part greek my mom is from Larissa!! lucky for me i got macedonian genes from my father... if i got greek i would be hairy chubby fat and black and the most important CRAZY NEANDERTHAL ... im ashamed of my part greek herigtage so i never tell im part greek...
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot You are not Greek so you cannot be ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ.
You didnt answer : Why many of fyro-vardarka's politics have said the truth , that you are : SLAVS AND YOU DONT HAVE A CONNECTION WHY ANCIENT GREEK MAKEDONIA AND ALEXANDER.
ANSWER ME , WHY ??????
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian OMGGG KIRO GLIGOROF SAID THAT... AND JUST HIM!!! NOONE ELSE! HE SAID THAT SO THAT YOU GUYS STOP YOUR STUPID THE MOST RETARDED POLITICS IN THE WORLD AND LEAVE US ALONE! THATS WHY! AND HE IS NOONE TO TELL WHAT AM I !!! NOONE CAN TELL EXCEPT ME! GOOD DEMOCRACY THO! GOOD JOB FOR YA!
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Not only Gligorov.
Denko Maleski has admit that you had to CREATE A HISTORY with makedonia and alexander because you didnt have history.
Also Antonio Milososki has admit that ANCIENT Macedonia IS GREEK.
And many more......
There are videos here if you want to watch them......
So , do you still believe you are GREEK ??? LOL
Because as your politics admit : MAKEDONIA = GREECE
CIAO !!! HA HA HA HA LOL !!!!
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian YOU ARE an unbelievable human being!!! who said i believe im greek!!!! my mom is from LARISSAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I WISH SHE WASNT!!!!!
DENKO MILESKI SAID WE SHOULD CREATE A NATIONAL STRATEGY TO DEFEND OUR NAME!!! NOT TO INVENT HISTORY !!!
WHEN DID ANTONIO MILOSHOSKI SAID THAT? WTF YOU ARE CRAZY MAN! YOU NEED SOME MEDICATIONS!
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot LOL !!!!
You say you are makedonian so you are Greek.
Because no Greek = NO MAKEDONIAN.
So you didnt know that makeski said that you HAD TO CREATE HISTORY BECAUSE YOU DIDNT ???
I am imressed.
Just search here in Youtube for the clip.
If you dont find it , i can tell you the link.
I have this video to my favorites because its a proof.
And dont forget MILOSOSKI : Greek makedonia is ANCIENT MAKEDONIA.
Bye , i hope one day you admit the truth like YOUR POLITICS.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot Here , take the link with the maleski's interview.He clearly says that you invent all this fake history with makedonians and alexander because you didnt have old history. youtube.com/watch?v=dlDLmufGHqQ&feature=channel_video_title
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot Sorry the link i gave you is wrong.
Try this one : youtube.com/watch?v=dlDLmufGHqQ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian ok he just said that you proveked us to dig a little dipper in our roots and force us to be angry and overprotective digging in our roots in the time of alexander. Before that in yugoslavia it was forbidden to talk about alexander and the great nation! if u want i can give you my msn and explain to you better!
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Nope he says CLEARLY THAT YOU INVENT HISTORY.....
The truth is infront of your eyes and you still dont want to see it ????
Are you sooooo brainwashed ????
I cannot beilive it.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian first of all its greek translation so i personally dont believe anything that is touched by a greek when we talk about the name issue! im not brainwashed my grand grand grand parents told to each generation that we are macedonians ! its not something we study at school like you do! YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR EDUCATION! LIKE I SAID IF U WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING WHAT WE ARE FINGHTING ABOUT ADD ME OD MSN ILL BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU OTHERWISE STOP WRTITING HERE ITS ANNOYING
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot So you dont want to know the truth.......
Greek translation is 100% what he said. 100000000 %
Your Brainwashed was started by TITO so even your grand grand parents were brainwashed.
One more thing : IN GREECE , WE DONT STUDY AT SCHOOLS THAT WE ARE MACEDONIANS.
We feel it in OUR BLOOD WHEN WE SEE ALL THE STATUES AND THE ANCIENT GREEK MAKEDONIANS WRITTINGS.
The one who study at schools a fake history is you : DO YOU WANT TO SEE A VIDEO WITH STUDENTS FROM FYRO-V STUDY FAKE HISTORY???
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian MHMMM yeaa do u also feel like that for the banished macedonians in 1948 ? and moving pseudo-greeks form asia instead of them? and erasing the name of the cities villages and everything else !! renameing the whole families for those who stayed giving them greek names ? DO YOU STUDY ABOUT THEM TOO? CAUSE THEY ARE STILL ALIVE YOU KNOW... OLD BUT ALIVE AND THEY CAN TELL!! I DONT NEED TO READ IN ANY BOOK OR TO HEAR SOMEONE THAT SAID MACEDONIA IS GREEK! I KNOW ITS NOT !
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Hmmmm so thats what they told you ????
And you beilive everything they tell you without searching it , thats the problem.
Do you know that 100 history professors from every place of the world have sent a letter to Obama with their siganutures , and they ask him to tell you stop all these lies about makedonia , because makedonia is GREEK ?
Just search internet and you will find the letter and their names.
And they did it not because Greece told them to do it , but by thereselves.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot Take the link for the letter i told you : macedonia-evidence(dot)org/obama-letter(dot)html
READ IT !!!!
And take a look to all these names.
They are Greeks , americans , english , italians etc from many countries who are telling the truth about macedonia.
I made a mistake , i told you they are 100 but they are 200 and still every once and then come more.
By the way , the place you are now was not makedonia but paionia......
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian the place that live?? lol well listen there were many many greeks in the past coming there priests and everything trying to prove us that we are greeks! they had even a greek schools that every citizen must go! AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING THAT IS PAIONIA ! OK GREECE ITS JUST A BIG FAILURE AS A COUNTRY... THIS IS MY LAST REPLY TO YOU!
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot LOL your last reply ???
I know i gave you so strong proofs that you are so confused now.
Its ok.
My last reply was the 320 + (and continue getting larger) proffesors from all over the world that say you have nothing to do with ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ and they proove it with so many historical facts.
Bye.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian We read the letter, do not worry. Most of the professors are Greeks or with Greeks roots. You should take some Greek documents where you will find Macedonians as separate ethnicity with their own language. Then, ask your Government why it allowed such documents, many, many years ago! Start with the Greek documents, then you can continue with the others. Then you will see what proofs are when it comes to this issue.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 You are pathetic.
You dont see the obvious !!!!
You are slavs and speak BULGARIAN DILECT , when all the planet knows that makedones are GREEKS AND SPOKE- SPEEK ONLY GREEK.
I dont need to ask goverment when there are ancient writtings on stones : I AM PROUD I WAS BORN GREEK ( ALEXANDER THE GREAT)
So why did Alexander said this ?
Why did he spread HELLINSM to every place he went ?
Why makedonians had / have : GREEK NAMES , GREEK GODS , GREEK CULTURE etc ?
WHY????
Answer if you dare.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Have you seen ALL of the documents? No, only that of the ancient period. About the language of the Ancient Macedonians, there are testimonies that say otherwise. Also, the Greek culture was practiced even by the Romans, and other people. Does that make them Greek too? Of course not. And I dare to answer whatever you like. Do you dare to see all the documents, that is the real question you have to answer yourself.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 Come to see all the ancient stones and if there is a different language than GREEK , then i am not μακεδονας.
All scripts , coins all are ONLY IN GREEK.There is not even one letter that is not Greek.
Romans didnt spread Hellinism and didnt speak Greek , no greek names and didnt said that are Greeks.
They just copy.
Makedonias are just like spartans.
They had both kingdoms etc.
In vardarska you think that Leonidas was not greek ?
Why your politics said you had to create history ?
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian I have seen the stones,the temples and I am quite familiar with those things. But are you familiar with other things than stones?Did all the historians of that time say that Macedonians were Greeks?Of course not.Romans did not speak Greek,but many Thracians used Greek very much in their communication. Are the Thracians Greek?About the failed politician, the thing that he was pro-Yugoslav when Yugoslavia was collapsing says all. And he is just one politician, not all politicians.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 You have seen the ancient prooves and you still say that macedonians are not GREEK ????
No , i cannot beilive it , sorry.
Now about your politics that have admit the truth ARE AT LEAST 3
1) Gligorov :we are slavs and have nothing to do with ANCIENT GREEK MAKEDONIA AND ALEXANDER.
2) Denko malevski ( what a makedonian name !!! LOL) WE DIDNT HAVE HISTORY SO WE HAD TO CREATE IT........
3)One more Who said to Greece to rename greek makedonia to ANCIENT MAKEDONIA !!!!
Anything more ?
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Have you seen all the evidence? The written evidence?You can believe what you want, it is your problem, not mine. Gligorov and Maleski are politicians that were part of the Yugoslav Communist Party.That is what they were taught- that is what they will say.When Yugoslavia was collapsing, Denko Maleski said:"Towards independent Macedonia you will go without me".That says enough. And when it comes to politics, see how Greece called Macedonia thirty years ago.There is a document too.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 No its your problem because the whole planet knows the TRUTH.
30 years ago ???
We , since ancient years name our place makedonia.
You are the one that change your name every now and then : yougoslavia , vardarska , macedonia etc.
By the way , you try to avoid my questions.
I will ask you again : why did Alexander said : I am proud i was born Greek.
And why did he always saying that his ancestor was HERCULES ( ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ ) ??????
As you know ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ was Greek.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian It is not our problem. I was talking about my country. In the past Greece did not have the problem with naming it Socialist Republic of Macedonia.I have a document that proves that. And we never changed our name, others did that to us.In Kingdom Yugoslavia we were not free people, we were occupied by the Serbs, which named the place Vardarska Banovina.Even the Romans considered Aprhodite and Eneas their ancestor...are they Greeks too?Alexander also considered Amon Ra his father.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 Sorry but your answers are from another planet.You dont aproove ancient scripts and writtings and you say you have a document that prooves something ??? LOL
You cannot use a stolen Greek name for your country.Sorry......
Bye the way if you are makedonian , then i am E.T !!! LOL
Bye i go to sweem to aegian beautifull Greek makedonian sea.
p.s as i said romans just copy Greeks. Something like you try to do.
ps2: Give me the ancient script to read that about ΜΕΓΑ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian As I said you can think whatever you like,it is your problem,not mine.Be what you like, I do not care.I know what I and my ancestors were. I would not swim in the Aegean Sea, instead,I am going to visit my relatives in Kostur ;)
I never mentioned an ancient script,I mentioned a document addressed by Greece to the Socialist Republic of Macedonia,and it is addressed with the name MACEDONIA.Go and ask your officials why did they use that name in the past.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 1) what is kostoyr ?
2) For one more time : If you are makedonians then why you change your language and now you speak BULGARIAN DILECT ? And why you change your Greek names and now you have slavo-bulgarian names ?
3) why your politics have said that you are more BULGARIANS THAN BULGARIANS ?
3)Its your problem and you know it.......You dont have history so YOU JUST CREATE IT !!! ( DENKO MALEVSKI)
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ Ο ΜΕΓΑΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΣΤΡΑΤΗΛΑΤΗΣ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian 1) City in Greece.
2) We speak Macedonian language, not Bulgarian. If you do not understand that, sorry, I can not help you.
3) Which politician said that?
4) Maleski said that about the Ancient history, not about whole history. Maleski declares himself as MACEDONIAN.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 What document are you talking about ????
All documents in vardarska are fake.
The only proofs are the ancient scripts.
Do you remember a fake DNA test vartdarska did about Greeks ???
Do you remember the results ?
Do you believe that Greeks are black and came from africa ???? LOL
You know , we had enought with you......
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian It is not Macedonian document, it is a document sent by Greece. The other thing you said is bla bla bla. And we did not make a DNA test, the Swiss made one.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 If it was macedonian document then = GREEK.
This document if it does exist is a creation of fyro-vardarska like all the other things you say.
Swiss ??? LOL
Why do they want a DNA about Greeks ??? LOL
You are pathetic.
Tell me for last time : If you are makedonians , then why did you change your langyage , your names etc .
WHY ??????????????
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Sorry, ehtnic Macedonians ARE NOT Greeks. Believe what you want, it is your problem, udnerstand that. Here, nobody cares what you think. We are ethnic Macedonians, we have our Macedonian language and identity. And that identity was never Greek! WE never changed name and identity. Tell me, are the Copts Arabs because they speak today the Arabic language?
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 We , the REAL ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE : GREEK.
So you say that you speak makedonian language , when you know that your language was made from BULGARIAN language by kirilos and methodios......and its a Bulgarian dilect.
If you speak makedonian , then why all the ancient scripts are in GREEK.
There is NOT EVEN ONE that is not in Greek language.
So answer me ,,,, why ?????
Because as you understunt , if you had that language in the ancient years , you should write too.LOL
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Our language is a separate Macedonian language, similar to the other Slavic languages. In short, when the Slavs came here, we assimilated, and we only kept the identity Macedonian and the religion, because the Slavs did not had national identity. So, we are mix of Slavs and the people here, with our own Macedonian identity. And the Ancien t Macedonians used Greek, but there are writings that suggest that they had even their own language. Read about the judgement of Philotas.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 LOL macedonias spoke slavic LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BEST JOKE OF THE YEAR !!!!
So you accept that you aremixxed slavs and speak slavobulgarian language.Thats something i will use with other vardarskians.
There are no writtings that they used another language.
If they did show me the prooves....dont try there are no prooves.
The spoke ONLY GREEK.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian You really do not understand English, do you? I said that the people that lived here, when the Slavs came, accepted the Slavic language. And that language is Macedonian, it is called Macedonian, because the Slavs came here, mixed with the people here, and that people called their Language Macedonian. We never spoke Bulgarian, understand that. Our language is similar with Bulgarian, and with other lagnuage, but it is not Bulgarian. As I said many times, believe what you want.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 LOL
So you were so weak that you let them change your language ??? LOL
We had 400 years under ottomans but we have keep our ancient language.
You dont admit kirilos and methodios ???
Shame on you.
You are just a brainwashed vardarskian.
Sorry... you speak bulgarian dilect.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian If Byzantium was so strong as you said, why did not stop the Slavs coming? Did our people had a state at that time, to protect? No, we were all under Byzantium. Saint Cyril and Sanit Methodius invented the alphabet and wrote the first Slavic books, but the Slavs came in the VI century, and they spoke Slavic before Cyril and Methodius did that in the IX century. And from that Slavic language, the Macedonian, Bulgarian, Serbian etc languages evolved.And I do not speak Bulgarian.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 You speak bulgarian.
Bulgarian is you language 100%
Give me ancient writtings from macedonia that are not Greeks.
Just one !!! LOL
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ =ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian You can say what you want, it is your opinion-your choice. But I do not speak Bulgarian, sorry. Try the case with the judgement of Philotas, there you will something interesting.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 No its not my opinion , its the history , and as you know all countries except vardarska learns one same thing in school : μακεδονια = ελλαδα
Dont believe me ?
Go and ask a chinese , american , italian , english etc what they learn in school.You will be dissapointed....i am sure
Remember the american film alexander : FOR THE GLORY OF GREECE.
Do you know IRON MAIDEN'S song Alexander ?
In the lyrics says : in a place of ancient GREECE.
Even if someone call you macedonia he knows...
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Sorry to disappoint you, but, not all countries support you. Many countries learn that Macedonians are separate nation, not only today, but in the past too. I came to many books from there. So you are not right. Read even what West Point wrote in some texts. There is no unified opinion about the questions.Especially about the language. All the world calls our language Macedonian, and it is recognized as such.Do not believe the films, music. They do not represent the truth always.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 Sorry to dissapoint you but all countries and i mean ALL as i told you in school they learn that REAL makedonia is a place in Greece and that Alexander was a Greek makedonian king.
In america there is a town that they have call it ATHENS.
Do you think they dont know where is the real athens ? LOL
They may call you macedonians or macedonia but they know that you have nothing to do with the REAL MAKEDONIAS.If you call your name macdonalds they would call you macdonalds.
Got it now?
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian West Point is in the USA. They study the tactics of Alexander and in many textbooks there, they say that he was leading Macedonian and Greek army. There is an Encyclopedia published by Harvard and they call our language MACEDONIAN, and it is written that it is spoken in Macedonia, part of Bulgaria, and guess where- Northern Greece. do you know who is speaking Macedonian there? Little help: Those that you did not succeed to evict from their homes from Kostur,Lerin, Voden.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 All the documentary films for example : history channel etc say alexander joined all the cities -states of Greece and they became one.
Ancient Greece had cities - states like : sparta , athens , korinthos , macedonia etc.
They all were Greeks : same language , same gods , greek names , greek culture etc.
These cities states had sometimes civil wars , but when a non Greek enemy was around thet joined forces and fight for Greece.
This is what all ancient scripts say and cannot change
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian That is written even in the history books here.But here a question is raised.Why Greece united against Macedonia?Nearly all cities united.I know you would say that it was some kind of civil war, and that not all fought against Philip,but I must remind you,that not all fought against Persia too. Nobody denies that the Macedonians were in part helenized,or that Alexander admired the Greek culture and spread it, but,that does not make him pure Greek.There is a good book about this.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 When he was saying he was proud to be born Greek there no doupt.
If they were not Greeks but in part helenized as you said , why there is not even one ancient script in the language they speak or one name that was not Greek.
There should be evidence dont you think ???
But there is not even one.
Alexander wanted to have all hellines together and stop fighting each other.
So thats what he did.
Do you know that the star of vergina is a pan hellenic symbol ?
All Greek tribes used it.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Do you know what is politics? He needed to stress the unification of the people he was leading. And also, at that time the Macedonians adopted the Greek culture. The helenization of the Macedonians was going on. You also know what Alexander said to Philotas on his trial, right? Of course he wanted all Hellenes to stop fighting, he needed that because of the war and campaign. About the star, I can find you similar stars from all the world. Do you know what our lion symbolizes?
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 You didnt answer why there are not names and ancient scripts with the (macedonian) LOL language.
The lion you use now is a bulgarian symbol you stole from bulgaria.You try to steal bulgarian heroes also.
Alexander had a lion coat just like HERCULES bacause he believed he was his ancestor.
As for the panhellenic star there is no similar star like this.This star is on spartan's shields , statues of athena etc.Do you know what is the meaning of this star?
Show me a same star.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Because they maybe did not have even its own alphabet, and they used Greek for writing. There is no unified opinion about this issue. The lion we now use is used by us even in the Middle Ages, and does not have relation with the Bulgarian lion. Have you read who the lion represents? In many scripts, including Pseudo-Calisthenes, it represents Alexander. In the middle Ages, it also represents Alexander and Macedonia. Search for that. I can't show a picture in a comment...
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 LOL they did have such a great kingdom and they didnt had alphabet or something like herogliphics ???
Sorry but this cannot be.When you talk you must have proofs , dont just say : maybe.
History is not a : maybe.
Historic proffesors dont use maybe.They have proofs and they use them to describe facts.
That lion symbol you use with the coat in arms is copy of the bulgarian.
Hercules was the first with a lion coat.
Thats why alexander was using it too.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian I say maybe, because even science has no unified opinion about this issues. Some professors say this,others do not agree.There is not a unified opinion. Even Copts use Greek letters, and Greek words, but they are not Greek.Our lion is much older than the Bulgarian, and symbolizes Alexander. Even in many medieval sources the lion symbolizes Macedonia and is its coat of arms. The Bulgarian lion symbolizes something else. You have that in many medieval manuscripts. Search for them.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 99% proffesors say that macedonia = Greece.
By the way , even Gruevski (half macedonian because he has greek roots) when our president told him that is not good for you to built statues of Greek Kings and present them like yours , didnt dissagree.
He didnt say , no they are not Greeks.
If i were you , i would be feel stupid to believe that my ancestors spoke another language than the language i speak now , had different names etc.
I dont think i would beilieve all that brainwash.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Gruevski does not have Greek roots. He is the same as me,half of my ancestors are from Kostur (Kastoria), and we were not Greek! Gruevski's village is not Greek.We are Macedonians,not Greek. If we were Greek,half of our families would not have been imprisoned because we didn't want to talk Greek between ourselves.And many killed.I don'i believe about the talk of Gruevski with Pappulias.Gruevski is a nationalist, he is the one that raised the question about the evicted ones...
macedonian89 7 months ago
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian For me it is Kostur. Gruevski's villages, just like the one of my mother, is not a Greek one. There live people that are not ethnic Greeks, just like my family, and Gruevski's. We were ethnic Macedonians, and speak Macedonian language. And about the changed language, the language was changed in VI century. The same happened with the English, the Copts etc. In Romania official language for some period was Old Church Slavonic. Does that make them Slavs? Of course not!
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 Oh my god , you are so brainwashed.
Gruevski's grandfather , went to the war and fought for the freedom of Greece against the italians.
He lost his life in that war.
He was a proud Greek.
His name is on a plate with the names of the others who lost their lifes.
Νικόλαος Γρούιος (1911 - 1940)
Do you dare go in his village and say that is not Greek ???
As for kostur !!! lol call it what ever you like.I know greek is difficult language.
You cannot even say the word μακεδονια correct.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian The father of my grandmother fought in the Greek army against the Turks too. Did he like that? No, he did not! But he was recruited, and had to go. After that, the Greeks thanked him, by robbing him, putting his wife in prison and in the end- stabbing him to death. His name is also in those lists. Did they change anything? No! I know even the Greek names of everything, but I will never use them, for the sake of those members of my family that lost everything because of Greece.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 I dont believe anything ( just like you said about dont believe anything Greek).Vardarska is a place without history.
Why dont you go to the village of gruevski ( what a macedonian name !!!! LOL ) and tell them that Γρουίος was not Greek and that their village (αχλαδιά) is not Greek.
Then start running because all of them would like to kill you......
Who cares if you use Greek names or not ?
But without using Greek names you just say : HELLO I AM SLAV AND SPEAK BULGARIAN !!! LOL
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Believe what you want. I never said I do not believe anything Greek, but that the recruiting in the army is not voluntarily. I know the village very well, many of its residents live here since the Greek Civil War. We all have relatives there, we know who is who. Even nowadays in those villages speak language that is the very same as we speak here. They sing the same songs. Check youtube, see clips of feasts in those villages here, on youtube.You would believe your eyes the best.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 I wonder why i am shiting here and talking to you.
Look my friend : HISTORY IS WRITTEN AND ALL THE FACTS SHOWS CLEARLY THAT : MAKEDONIA IS A PLACE IN GREECE SINCE ANCIENT YEARS.
You are slavs who speak A bulgarian dilect that was made by kirilos and methodios.
I hope you soon see the truth because is not good your child learn a fake history that Tito started.
The biggest prooves are the stones , believe me , and those stones are shouting : FOR THE GLORY OF GREECE....
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian I asked myself the same question more then ten times, and still did not find the answer. Please, do not call me friend. Macedonia was not Greek throughout all history. When the Slavs came, was it Greek even then? And it is not Tito that created us, we are not artificial nation as they teach you. Even Britain in 1944 was pressing for a creation of Macedonia. And Britain obviously was not a communist state and did not want to support communism.
macedonian89 7 months ago
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian It is better not to call me any how. And I am not trying to steal anything. And please, if we are robbers, you are mass murderers.You destroyed many lives,only because those people did not want to be Greeks,and they never were.I have two friends of Egypt,sorry but they recognize that Macedonians are a separate nation and with its own history. A friend of Syria says that too. He even knows what you done to the Aegeans. Look at the British document I mentioned and see what i said.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 I forgot to mention that vardarska has only the 7% of ancient Greek makedonia.
The other 93% of your country was PAIONIA and that is not what Greeks say but what history and maps say.
So you want with 7% to have A greek name and Greek history for your country ???
No way.
μακεδονια = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Nobody wants your history. If with all those talks you can not understand that we do not want your history, then whatever I say would be in vain. Believe what you want, if it makes you happy, nothing more should be said. If you can not remember why and when Macedonia was divided and who suffered the most with that division, what else should we say...
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 Yea yea you dont want Greek history ??? LOL Thats why you built statues of Greek kings.
The whole planet admires Greek history.
Just take a look at the olympic games.....
Macedonia was always a place in Greece.
How dare you say it's not Greek when even the name is Greek ?
I wonder....so brainwashed ...... unbelievable....
By the way you didnt answer about the 7% and paionia.
I wonder why !!! LOL
Google paionia maps.... You will be dissapointed for one more time.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian I do not care who admires your history, and who does not. But, do not be so sure that everybody loves you. I was travelling across Europe two weeks ago, the picture when your country was mentioned was far from what you think, especially in Germany. I do not need to google Paionia, you should google Macedonia in 1913, then you would see why the border is where it is. No one asked my people when deciding the border to be there...
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 Who fucks Germany.
Germany owns Greece so much money from war but they still have gave it to as.
The whole planet admire Greece , even you i am sure.
If you didnt why you want to take a little part of Greek history ????
Paionia - vardarska , who cares.
But a Greek name for your country = NEVER.......
P.S google paionia and see maps.....i think you allready did it and you are for one more time confused....
p.s 2 : your economy depends on our economy.So you better pray we are ok...
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Believe me, they do not. And they are not the only one. Many,many others. I do not admire Greece, in that you can be sure.I am not confused, I understand very well what Paionia is and where it was.If you want to be precise, when this was incorporated into Macedonia,the Paionians assimilated, and that is why even Romans called this place Macedonia, dividing it into Macedonia Prima and Macedonia Secunda.About your economy, I can see many companies from Greece move here. Think why.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 bla bla bla fake vardarskian's story.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
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@TrueMakedonian typical for you, it does not surprise me...
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 About economy : We keep you in life.
Those companies came at vardarska because your salaries are cheaper than Greece.
If we take them back , you will starve believe me.
By the way why do you care about Greek economy ????
Even if we dissappear from planet , that will not turn you into a macedonian ,because to be macedonian you have to be GREEK.....
Bye , i had enough with you.
You are more brainwashed than i thought.
I feel pitty about you....
Η μακεδονια ειναι ΕΛΛΑΔΑ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian These companies use the name MACEDONIA for us, and they even promote our products with the name Macedonia. I care only about my relatives and friends there, not about your economy. That is your problem, not mine. Do not pity me. I do not need your pity or anything else from you.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 I dont know what name they use.
I told you that in usa there is a place called : athens.
Do you think they dont know were is the REAL ATHENS ???
LOL
I told you that it doesnt matter if someone calls vardarska with a greek name.
All the planet knows that makedonia is a place in Greece.
We wouldnot have problem if you didnt say all this fake stories.
As for economy you must pray for as....
If we dont make it , you will be dissapear from the map.....LOL
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΓΙΑ ΠΑΝΤΑ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian You had problem even before the issue about Alexander was raised. Even when Kiro Gligorov said that, according to him,we did not have connection with Alexander and that we are Macedonians because the Slavs were majority in Macedonia and accepted a Macedonian identity, you were making the same problems.So keep the stories for yourself, because deeds testify about you. And no you, no anyone else can tell me for whom should i pray. I thought you said you had enough of this talk?
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 dream on vardarskian ....LOL
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
και ολος ο κοσμος σας κοροιδευει !!! χα χα χα !!!!
I am talking with you because some of your sayings just proove that μακεδονια is a place in Greece , and because i am laughing with your funny answers !!!!
So you accepted the Greek identity , because a macedonian is a greek , just like a spartan.
By the way Leonidas was greek or not ?
What do you learn in vardarska about sparta ???
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian I told you not to call me anyhow, Understood that? And I understand Greek a bit, so, maybe someone laughs at us, but many curse you nowadays, that is for sure. I never accepted anything, stop dreaming. And do not waste your time laughing with me, go doing something smarter, if you have of course. We learn about the Battle of Thermopylae, and the role of the Greek king Leonidas in it. Satisfied?
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 How do you want me to call you ??? You are not Greek so i cannot call you macedonian.
I call you vardarskian because you have used this for your country and its your real name.
So leonidas was greek , right ???
Oooppss you did it again : Historical facts : Macedonians and Spartans come from the same GREEK TRIBE - DORIANS.
So if you say spartans are Greek then you cannot say that macedonians are not.
They were both Greek and from the same tribe thats why the had kingdoms.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian I told you I don't want you to call me any how. And we did not use the word vardarska, other used it for us. The Serbs, when occupying our places, did that. And by the way, just to know, vardarska is an adjective, not a noun or name. There is no proof that Macedonians and Spartans are the same tribe. And not only the Spartans and Macedonians had kingdom ,others had kingdoms too.
macedonian89 7 months ago
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@macedonian89 You had maps and even posts with that name.....
Again there is no proof ????? LOL
You will never see the truth because you dont want to.
Even if alexander come to you and say he is Greek , you will still not believe.
There are ancient scripts that have his words and you say that there is no proof !!!!
About your fake friends from egypt and syria....LOL
What are you saying !!!!!
WAKE UP........
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@macedonian89 I forgot to mention that you cannot use the stolen Greek name NOT EVEN IN THE STUPID EUROVISION !!!! LOL
Even there you are F.Y.R.O.(M)
So as you see everyone knows.
Last week i was speaking with a chinese and when i told you about vardarska says macedonia is not greek and alexander was not greek , he started laughing.
He said that in their schools they learn the truth.
By the way do you know how many are chinese ??? LOL
History cannot change :
μακεδονια = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian We do not use that name because of legal reasons. If we use that name there, we would make ourselves a "bear's favour". Speak with whomever you want. I have spoken to many, many foreigners. And they say: Never give up, fight for your identity till the end! So is that chatting a proof? Of course not!
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 You lying......
All learn the same history in schools so they know..... the truth.
So you admit using a Greek name is illegal.
Thanks , one more proof.
I will use it.
LOL
Tell me what means μακεδονια in your language , what means αλεξανδρος in your language.
Do you know what it means : NO because these words are Greek.
Even θεσσαλονικη ( alexander's) sister , you call it with another slavic word : solun !!! what means solun ??
See the truth... there are soooooo many prooves....
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian No I am not, check some American sources. Check other too. You are the one that lied and told that translate.google calls the language Slavomacedonian, and in English, French and German it is clearly called-Macedonian. Solun is an abbreviation of Salonika. And I explained you about the language of my people, its history, and how things changed with the arrival of the Slavs. I do not plan to repeat myself 100 times, it would ruin the discussion.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 As for you language even in google translate you gave fight to call it macedonian but you didnt won.
They call your language slavomacedonian....
So............
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
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@TrueMakedonian really? check translate.google.com and see how it is written MACEDONIAN. Open the English version, not the Greek one. I know how it is written in the Greek one. Open the English, the German and the French. You willl find Macedonian, Mazedonisch and macedonien. So, we are not the ones that lost the battle, it is you.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 You care a lot .....You want the Greek name and history and that prooves you care a lot.....
Tell me something : μακεδονια is a Greek world as you know and it means the land of the tall people.
Why you write it with bulgarian characters and you translate it as it was bulgarian ??? LOL
You are soooooooooo brainwashed.
Its a pitty because you raise your children with fake history.
You are so pathetic.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian We do not care about you, or your opinion. To be sincere, about me, I have many, many, many documents in my PC that prove that a separate Macedonian people, identity and language existed, and it still exists. You know that even today in Northern Greece, the people sings the song in the SAME language we speak, in fact, youtube is full with videos of those feasts.
macedonian89 7 months ago
@macedonian89 I forgot to mention something very important : Before 3 days , our president told to Gruevski that its no good for you to built statues of the Greek kings Αλεξανδρος and Φίλιππος , and Gruevski didnt deny that both are GREEKS because he didnt tell nothing !!! LOL
By the way Gruevski is half Greek.......
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Gruevski is part of the people that in 1949 had to leave Greece, he is no Greek.The village of Gruevski was not Greek,it was Macedonian.He is the same as me.My mother is from Kosutr (Kastoria),but we were never Greek. So do not expect Gruevski to say this. Because of Gruevski and the people you expelled in 1949,you will have big problems, believe me. There is a procedure in Strasbourg going on, about the property issues. We will see who will laugh at the end...we or the prosfigi
macedonian89 7 months ago
@kosterot So you want to see miloshoski ( What a macedonian name !!! LOL ) that makedonia in Greece is ANCIENT MAKEDONIA?
Look this video.He tell to Greece to rename the name makedonia with the name ANCIENT MAKEDONIA.
So you can be New makdonia . !!!! LOL
Take a look and OPEN YOUR EARS !!!
youtube.com/watch?v=GmuqA2F9F9s
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot You speak Bulgarian dilect and you know it.
Makedonians speak only GREEK.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot You should be shamed.
How dare you say those stupid things ???
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = GREECE
You are slavo-bulgarians and speak BULGARIAN DILECT that was made by kirilos and methodios.
So what the fuck are you trying to proove ???
Fyro-vardarskians = BRAINWASHED .
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot Δεν θα γινεις ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΟΤΕΕΕΕΕΕ !!!!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ΕΕ ΕΕΕ !!!!!
ΓΑΜΩ ΤΗΝ ΒΑΡΔΑΡΣΚΑ ΣΟΥ ΜΕΣΑ.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot ΜΑΛΑΚΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ΕΕΕ ΕΕΕ !!!!
Η μακεδονια ειναι μονο ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΡΕ ΜΑΛΑΚΑ !!!!!
Ελα να την παρεις αν θες !!!!!
Γαμω τα σκοπια σου και την παιονια σου.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian im not from skopie you stupid arab! im from ohrid! which is not skopia!! how well educated are you! :)
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Δεν θα γινεις ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΟΤΕ !!!!!
ΜΑΛΑΚΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ΕΕ ΕΕ !!!
LOL !!!!
vardarskian monkeys !!! LOL
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago 2
@TrueMakedonian ok r you reatarded?? NOBODY WANTS TO BE GREEK WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! If somebody call me greek im gonna fucking brake his face MALAKA arabikii lol monkeys you can find in ethiopia which btw is your real county and stop writing you are annoying like hell
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΓΙΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΟΤΕ !!!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!!!
ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ΕΕΕ ΕΕΕ !!!! ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ !!!
ΜΑΛΑΚΑ ΣΛΑΒΟΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΕ ΣΟΥ ΓΑΜΩ ΤΗΝ ΒΑΡΔΑΡΣΚΑ ΣΟΥ ΑΡΧΙΔΙ.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = 1 ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian arxidi mou? YOU ARE SOO GAY DUDE LOL
kosterot 7 months ago
@kosterot Σου γαμάω τον πουστη τον πατερα σου.
ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΓΙΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΟΤΕ !!!!
ΜΑΛΑΚΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!!
ΣΚΑΤΟ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ΕΕΕ ΕΕΕ !!!! χα χα χα χα !!!!
Μαλακα εισαι σλαβο-βουλγαρος ρε μουνι.
Μιλας ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΙΚΑ παλιο μαλακα !!!!!
Γαμαω την βαρδαρσκα σου πουστη σκοπιανε !!!!
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@kosterot honestly..why are u sharing ur retardet thoughts and feelings???!!! ...everybody shits on you and your laughabel opinion
RedDeadRevolva 4 months ago
@RedDeadRevolva retartds like u shits on me... that cannot accept the history like it was..like ur friend " the turemakedonian" lmfaoo
kosterot 4 months ago
@kosterot ye ye ye ..now go in front of the mirrow and repeat slav! xd u are an clown
RedDeadRevolva 4 months ago
@RedDeadRevolva lmfaoo if i am a slav u r aslo ... slav tribes were huge and they didnt stop in macedonia they went all the way to athens ... and being a slav is nothing bad like u say its part of the history of a balcans stupid idiot
kosterot 4 months ago
@kosterot you know what is funny...rootless people allways talk in general ...maybe cause they dont know about their Personal history...you say to be a slav is nothing bad and its part of the Balkan history & if you are an slav them me also ...reality is ..that is part of your history maybe :d ...i know what iam google "Sarakatsanoi" we are native Makedonians pls dont start to cry u wanne be...next time try harder pls
RedDeadRevolva 4 months ago
@kosterot watch?v=b9mBLNOr8rw&feature=feedbul
cry !!!!!
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
Αν εισαι Μακεδονας μαθε να γραφεις ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ
ananias7 8 months ago
YOU GAYREEKS CAN SUCK MY MACEDONIAN DICK AND NOTHING ELSE
LET ME TRANSLATE SOMETHING
GRKOEBAC MEANS GAYREEK FUCKER
YOU STUPID ETHIOPIAN GIPSSYS
TheGrkoebac 9 months ago
@TheGrkoebac You can put your filthy dirty rotten dick into your father's ass..... LOL
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
FUCK OFF fyro-vardarska.
VETO TO THE THIEVES TIMELESS.
TrueMakedonian 8 months ago
@TrueMakedonian WHAT ARE YOU SAYING PUSSY I CAN PUT MY MACEDONIAN DICK IN YOUR MOTHERS UGLY PUSSY AND I CAN CUM IN YOUR GIPSSY ETHIOPIAN MOUTH OK HELLASSHOLE I WILL
DICK SHIT AND DEATH FOR THE GAYREEK ETHIOPIAN PUSSYS
TheGrkoebac 7 months ago
@TheGrkoebac ΜΑΛΑΚΑ !!!! LOL
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
fyro-vardarska = BULGARIAN LIKE THE LANGUAGE YOU SPEAK IN VARDARSKA.
Cry now and put your small dick in your father's ass.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TheGrkoebac Αντε γαμησου ρε ΜΑΛΑΚΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ !!!!! LOL
Its ok if you cannot understunt the above language.
Its the language all Greeks like ALEXANDER THE GREEK KIND , spoke and speak.
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TheGrkoebac You will never be GREEK.
You are a brainwashed Slav who speaks BULGARIAN DILECT.
Even your politics have admit the truth : We are slavs and we have no connection with the ancient Greek makedonians AND Alexander the Greek king ( KIRO GLIGOROV )
So fuck off monkey do ninja !!!!! LOL
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian STUPID GAYREEK ETHIOPIAN PUSSY I DON'T WANT TO BE A GAYREEK I'M NOT PUSSY LIKE YOU I'M MACEDONIAN AND YOU MY HELLASSHOLE PUSSY BITCH WILL BE ALLWAY JUST SAMLL PATETIC GAYREEK ETHIOPIAN PUSSY WHO SPEAK GIPSSY LANGUAGE YOU CAN SUCK MY MACEDONIAN DICK AS LONG AS YOU WANT BUT YOU NEVER CAN BE A MACEDONIAN
SO BLOW ME PUSSY AND YOUR WHORE MOM TOO
TheGrkoebac 7 months ago
@TheGrkoebac NO GREEK = NO MAKEDONIAN
Its so simple.....
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian you are right gayreek
MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS
YOU GAYREEKS CAN SUCK MY MACEDONIAN DICK
it;s so simplle
TheGrkoebac 7 months ago
@TheGrkoebac All time you say about gays , dicks etc.
You are 100% GAY
100% SLAV WHO SPEAKS BULGARIAN DILECT.
AND !!!!!!!!!!!!!
0% MAKEDONIAN !!! LOL
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
TrueMakedonian 7 months ago
@TrueMakedonian sorry fag but the gayreece is leading country in fag population that is a fact you can see even in you name of your fag nation GAY-REEKS and pussy l know that you are a 100% pussy or fag and you and the rest of your family can SUCK MY 100% MACEDONIAN DICK
HELASS=ETHIOPIA
TheGrkoebac 7 months ago
@TheGrkoebac ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = GREEK WORD.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ