No YOU are wrong: my message is a reponse about your comment: " Germany built the first flying wing in the 30's.", no about the plane in the video... so ist es num mahl...
This isn't true: the first flying wing was flown by the Soviet Cheranovsky in 1924, and in 1933, same time, in France (Charles Fauvel) and Germany, but, if the Horthen and the Northrop use the same technic, Fauvel use another way with autostable profiles: give much better stability, without any loss of controll, long times use in Fauvel gliders (wich use vertical rudders). The Fauvel solution was improved by the American Jim Marske on his actual gliders
@oiseautempete Not true. Flying wings were first build by an English man named Dunne beginning around 1911. His designs were commercially produced in America and he even sold one to the Canadian military. After Dunne came Gefferory Hill who was contempory with Cheranovsky, Fauvel and the Hortens
@kondakor1998: The Planes of Fame museum (which owns the Northrop Flying wing, the subject of my video) also has an ORIGINAL Horten flying wing GLIDER on display, built in the 1930s. This is the aircraft (among others) that all Luftwaffe pilots trained on early in their training. Come to our museum at Chino airport, Califorinia sometime if you can; you will really like it! Contact me on YouTube if you want and I will personally show you around the museum.
@octane130 i wish i could im only 14 years old but iv wanted to become a pilot eversince i was3 and im always amazed to see the technology thats so old but still seems futuristic and thank you for the offer ill discuss it with my parents i would love to go and see those marveleous flying machines thank you have a nice day :-)
@kondakor1998: The yaw control is handled by the "rudders" which are the split control surfaces nearest the wingtips. They open up to provide yaw control in turns. They also can be used as airbrakes for speed control when you push both rudder pedals down at the same time. These control surfaces also serve as the pitch trim, which is electrically controlled whereas all of the other control functions are hydraulic. Nose-down pitch attitude is quite pronounced when the flaps are dropped. Thanks!
Without a tail, its pitch moment control disappeared at high angle of attack. Look for YB-49 videos with Gen. Robert Cardenas. He was one of the YB-49 test pilots. When the test pilots for the B-2 program asked him for advice about flying the wing configuration for the 1st time. he said "Don't stall it!". He tells some pretty scary stories about stall recovery. Which he says he did Once!
@lordandprotector yes I understand the characteristics of the yb49 which is the craft that edwards was killed int. but I am not sure that they had discovered REFLEXED wings. according to my aerodynamic studies a Reflexed wing is designed to self stabilize. they place weight much further than the center of gravity to induce a nose heavy attitude when stalled. the reflex on the wing then allows it to keep the nose UP in a flyable angle. The only way you can get a back fliping stall like the ,,,
@lordandprotector yb49 is if the all your weight in near or on the center of gravity. its like putting a bag of a 100 lbs one side ( this would be the nose). then on the other side (tail)of a see saw, controlling it by adding pressure which is the reflex on it. the other way that it can be managed is by adding washout so the wing is never completely stalled which then you can avoid the back fliping stall. I am familiar with what you said about the b-2 pilot. watched it in a documentary.
@lordandprotector so the question is. does this aircraft have a washout or re flexed and if so then the stall charateristics should be MUCH different than what was experienced in the yb49. I dont recall any accidents including stalls with the Me 163. although they might have SIMULATED a reflex instead of actually making the wing into a Reflex. not sure about that. I appreciate the info though.
@lordandprotector The YB49 had undesireable flying traits because it was a hasty redesign/conversion of an existing airframe designed to fly slower and be pistoned powered. Douglas did the same with its piston powered Mixmaster as did Convair which produced a jet version of its B36. As all 3 manufacturers found, aircraft designed to fly at lower speeds with piston engines tend to have flying problems when adapted to jet power and be expected to fly at higher speeds.......
@lordandprotector Being essentially the earier piston engined airframe made in to a pure jet and therefore having an airfoil section which was quite "adequate" [although I use that term advisedly] for the lower flying speeds originally intended for the original piston engine design and which was not changed on the YB49 conversion, it was unsurprising that the jet powered YB49 exhibited adverse and undesireable flight characteristics
Wow... That's a beautiful plane with a very unique engine signature. Very cool looking and sounding. I had no idea that there were any of these flying!
I saw the center part of the aircraft sitting under a tarp at Chino more than 30 years ago. It's a real delight to see that it's been restored and is flying again.
I saw the center part of the aircraft sitting under a tarp at Chino more than 30 years ago. It's a real delight to see that it's been restored and is flying again.
Amazing, I saw one of these in a magazine once. I was so happy to see this in my "recomended videos" thing, I wasnt expecting it at all!! Glad to see it flying, its an amazing piece of American history! Thankyou.
There used to be an airbase near me in the UK where they used to test all sort of planes including these sorts of flying wings. I recall being told that sadly many of these experimental planes had all crashed locally. The last I can recall many years ago was that a keen elderly plane enthusiast was sure a farmer was still using the remains of one mackeled up to form a farm trailer.
@deetjay1 it was a prototype, you don't want to build something huge just to find out it doesn't work, northrop did develop a 4 engine bomber the XB-35 and YB-49
@44492611 - All flying wings from before the invention of comp-assist suffer from yaw instability, the bigger the bird the worse it is. I've seen this plane fly, and the pilot was able to be pretty acrobatic.
I got to see the N9M-B fly a few years back at a Chino Airshow. I didn't hear that they had a fire in one of the engines! Yikes! Is there any update on finding one of the remaining replacement engines?
@dregerclock : Yes, the Flying Wing now has two new rebuilt engines and took to the air in May 2010 and flew in the Planes of Fame airshow a week later!
@octane130 - Oh Cool! does it have any schedule for flights that are not full airshows? I would like to go visit the museum again soon and it would be cool to do it on a day that the wing is flying.
in this video you see at the end of the flight pulling her by her #2 prop= a very dumb idea as it is not wise to do so = if that engine has an impulse coupled magneto it could sudenly start if he accidently turned the prop if the mag switch wasleft on or the primary lead was damaged or broken=dumbass
The Northrop flying wing wasn't actually dangerous, but the USAF back then had some pretty ridiculous requirements for bombers back then. They made test pilots do loops and forced stalls and other very dangerous and unnecessary tests, things we wouldn't dare do nowadays with our bombers.
Northrop also had glider versions I wonder where they are? one sat in back of the Hawthorne plant for years and they were even smaller I recall they called it a jeep???.
@yumyumsashimi scwtrials- Not a glider but the N-1 "JEEP", Flying Wing. The 1st trure all wing from Northrop powered by 2, 65hp Lycomings, then changed to 2, 120hp Franklins. 38 ft wing span x 17ft length. First flight in July,1940, Muroc Dry Lake. It's now in the Air & Space Museum, Wash, D.C.
@scwtrials I know the various prototypes that were built but like I said they also had a small version with a 12 foot wingspand when I worked their and a engineer told me they would tow it behind a jeep for flight testing, it had no engines and non retracting L.G.
@yumyumsashimi scwtrials- An experimental glider version of the JB-1 ( jet bomb), Buzz Bomb Program. This tiny glider was built to test the efficiency of the flying wing design in jet bombs for the MX-324 & JB-1. The MX-324 is at the Air&Space Museum,Wash. DC. The demo glider was fitted with a cockpit& canopy for a test pilot to fly & gather data for design, control & stability of the Jet Bombs.
Beautiful! It's wonderful to see it flying, but I can't help be concerned about the risks of doing so and the chances of losing a historic plane, and of course the pilot.
@wrh61 scwtrials- This is 1/3 scale ( 60 ft) of the later built XB-35, 4 prop engine & YB-49 jet, 8 engine Flying Wings which were 172 ft wing spans. The XB-35's were rushed into production before reliable jet engines were avaliable. Then in mid production, the remaining airframes were fitted with Allison turbojet engines.
@scwtrials The XB-35 was designed from the start to be piston powered. The YB 49, a hasty conversionof the B-35, came about only because the newly formed US Air Force had annouced a policy of only procuring jet powered bomber designs. The XB-35 was never "rushed in to production" its gestation in fact taking several years. If anything it was the YB-49 which was hastily produced and solely for the reason stated. Douglas & Convair also took the same route with their Mixmaster and B-60
I have 1 of these in my barn :)
WulfBand 1 week ago
53secs. Sharp intake of breath. Stunning.
moyadapne 4 weeks ago
Would any of you go up in a plane making that kind of noise on start up?
RCllamadude 1 month ago
That fly-by was not at Chino. It looks more like Palm Springs to me. I know you didn't say either way.
teamerica 1 month ago
one thing americans do really well is preserve their flying history !! great to see !!!
bnecity57 1 month ago
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are 2 propellers same spins or 2 opposite spins
bestamerica 2 months ago
Supremely cool. The crazy guys who made this wing and keep it flying fly are the BEST!
soyounoat 2 months ago
this is so cool !! I can't believe there is a privately owned horten out there :) well done guys I bet she's fun to fly
MrDiredemon 3 months ago
@MrDiredemon sorry I'm an idiot i should have read before posting :)
MrDiredemon 3 months ago
That thing is beautiful
iFlyFPV 3 months ago
amazing
buidseach 3 months ago
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@Scharfschutzen1
No YOU are wrong: my message is a reponse about your comment: " Germany built the first flying wing in the 30's.", no about the plane in the video... so ist es num mahl...
oiseautempete 3 months ago
@Scharfschutzen1
This isn't true: the first flying wing was flown by the Soviet Cheranovsky in 1924, and in 1933, same time, in France (Charles Fauvel) and Germany, but, if the Horthen and the Northrop use the same technic, Fauvel use another way with autostable profiles: give much better stability, without any loss of controll, long times use in Fauvel gliders (wich use vertical rudders). The Fauvel solution was improved by the American Jim Marske on his actual gliders
oiseautempete 4 months ago
@oiseautempete Not true. Flying wings were first build by an English man named Dunne beginning around 1911. His designs were commercially produced in America and he even sold one to the Canadian military. After Dunne came Gefferory Hill who was contempory with Cheranovsky, Fauvel and the Hortens
EVISEH 2 months ago
40 od years you call me crazy whos crazy now lol ufos my ass i like slap shit out you
scouttroop291 4 months ago
wow that thing is awsome! i wonder when someones going to make a flying horten 229 replica cause that would be awsome!
kondakor1998 4 months ago 3
@kondakor1998: The Planes of Fame museum (which owns the Northrop Flying wing, the subject of my video) also has an ORIGINAL Horten flying wing GLIDER on display, built in the 1930s. This is the aircraft (among others) that all Luftwaffe pilots trained on early in their training. Come to our museum at Chino airport, Califorinia sometime if you can; you will really like it! Contact me on YouTube if you want and I will personally show you around the museum.
Thanks and fly on!
octane130 4 months ago
@octane130 i wish i could im only 14 years old but iv wanted to become a pilot eversince i was3 and im always amazed to see the technology thats so old but still seems futuristic and thank you for the offer ill discuss it with my parents i would love to go and see those marveleous flying machines thank you have a nice day :-)
kondakor1998 4 months ago
@octane130 oh and i forgot to ask since it hjas no rudder does it use ppropeller pitch or throttle on the yaw axis or maybe airbreaks in the wings?
kondakor1998 4 months ago
@kondakor1998: The yaw control is handled by the "rudders" which are the split control surfaces nearest the wingtips. They open up to provide yaw control in turns. They also can be used as airbrakes for speed control when you push both rudder pedals down at the same time. These control surfaces also serve as the pitch trim, which is electrically controlled whereas all of the other control functions are hydraulic. Nose-down pitch attitude is quite pronounced when the flaps are dropped. Thanks!
octane130 4 months ago
Ok thats BEYOND AWESOME .
peterm3964 5 months ago
This looks exactly like a Horten Brothers design.....
smokybob63 5 months ago
if anyone could tell me if this aircraft has a Reflexed airfoil or washout? and what are the stall characteristics of the aircraft?
straighttailpilot 6 months ago
@straighttailpilot
The stall characteristics were bad. Very scary bad.
lordandprotector 4 months ago
@lordandprotector why is that? could you corroborate a little?
straighttailpilot 4 months ago
@straighttailpilot
Without a tail, its pitch moment control disappeared at high angle of attack. Look for YB-49 videos with Gen. Robert Cardenas. He was one of the YB-49 test pilots. When the test pilots for the B-2 program asked him for advice about flying the wing configuration for the 1st time. he said "Don't stall it!". He tells some pretty scary stories about stall recovery. Which he says he did Once!
lordandprotector 4 months ago
@lordandprotector yes I understand the characteristics of the yb49 which is the craft that edwards was killed int. but I am not sure that they had discovered REFLEXED wings. according to my aerodynamic studies a Reflexed wing is designed to self stabilize. they place weight much further than the center of gravity to induce a nose heavy attitude when stalled. the reflex on the wing then allows it to keep the nose UP in a flyable angle. The only way you can get a back fliping stall like the ,,,
straighttailpilot 4 months ago
@lordandprotector yb49 is if the all your weight in near or on the center of gravity. its like putting a bag of a 100 lbs one side ( this would be the nose). then on the other side (tail)of a see saw, controlling it by adding pressure which is the reflex on it. the other way that it can be managed is by adding washout so the wing is never completely stalled which then you can avoid the back fliping stall. I am familiar with what you said about the b-2 pilot. watched it in a documentary.
straighttailpilot 4 months ago
@lordandprotector so the question is. does this aircraft have a washout or re flexed and if so then the stall charateristics should be MUCH different than what was experienced in the yb49. I dont recall any accidents including stalls with the Me 163. although they might have SIMULATED a reflex instead of actually making the wing into a Reflex. not sure about that. I appreciate the info though.
straighttailpilot 4 months ago
@lordandprotector The YB49 had undesireable flying traits because it was a hasty redesign/conversion of an existing airframe designed to fly slower and be pistoned powered. Douglas did the same with its piston powered Mixmaster as did Convair which produced a jet version of its B36. As all 3 manufacturers found, aircraft designed to fly at lower speeds with piston engines tend to have flying problems when adapted to jet power and be expected to fly at higher speeds.......
EVISEH 2 months ago
@lordandprotector Being essentially the earier piston engined airframe made in to a pure jet and therefore having an airfoil section which was quite "adequate" [although I use that term advisedly] for the lower flying speeds originally intended for the original piston engine design and which was not changed on the YB49 conversion, it was unsurprising that the jet powered YB49 exhibited adverse and undesireable flight characteristics
EVISEH 2 months ago
Horton Brothers in Germany had the wing 2 years prior to Jack....
Peavine21 6 months ago
Thank You Jack. You were on Hell of a designer.
DarwinsFriend 6 months ago
Fantastic aircraft, and an amazing restoration, but man, that thing must be a handful to to fly.
Especially as those early flying wing designs, had frighteningly bad stall characteristics.
Still, I'm glad that Bill Northrop lived long enough to he his dream come true, in the Northrop B-2 Bomber.
skeilak 7 months ago
Wow... That's a beautiful plane with a very unique engine signature. Very cool looking and sounding. I had no idea that there were any of these flying!
obliviousfafnir01 8 months ago
I guess I takes guts to fly this thing, because if it stalls you better start praying...
DDspider 8 months ago
@DDspider Nicely put. I was just thinking how in the hell the guy flew this thing.
Justplanecrazy25 7 months ago
A flying wing without a vertical stabiliser! No wonder they crashed a lot.
chaosopher23 9 months ago
Is that a torque converter that the prop shaft is connected to on the engine?
rustyATV 9 months ago
Are the Franklin engines air cooled or liquid cooled ?
P51ride 9 months ago
I saw the center part of the aircraft sitting under a tarp at Chino more than 30 years ago. It's a real delight to see that it's been restored and is flying again.
vintagemxr 9 months ago
I saw the center part of the aircraft sitting under a tarp at Chino more than 30 years ago. It's a real delight to see that it's been restored and is flying again.
vintagemxr 9 months ago
Amazing, I saw one of these in a magazine once. I was so happy to see this in my "recomended videos" thing, I wasnt expecting it at all!! Glad to see it flying, its an amazing piece of American history! Thankyou.
Idaho278 10 months ago
No Take-off....?
knutlyd 10 months ago
Good job. Thanks for sharing.
Antagraber 11 months ago
There used to be an airbase near me in the UK where they used to test all sort of planes including these sorts of flying wings. I recall being told that sadly many of these experimental planes had all crashed locally. The last I can recall many years ago was that a keen elderly plane enthusiast was sure a farmer was still using the remains of one mackeled up to form a farm trailer.
Rob in UK
KAOSRIFLE 1 year ago
So nice. Well done!
CBKillas 1 year ago
dam that thing is cool
Jakes1233 1 year ago
Thought this thing was a lot bigger...
deetjay1 1 year ago
@deetjay1 it was a prototype, you don't want to build something huge just to find out it doesn't work, northrop did develop a 4 engine bomber the XB-35 and YB-49
pramboy09 9 months ago
sounds like a six volt start...
onceANexile 1 year ago
that has got to be one of the coolest planes ever. Do you know are there any odd or bad characteristics in its flight.
44492611 1 year ago
@44492611 - All flying wings from before the invention of comp-assist suffer from yaw instability, the bigger the bird the worse it is. I've seen this plane fly, and the pilot was able to be pretty acrobatic.
OPE08 1 year ago
just to wonderful for words, Jack would be in a peaceful dream now:-}
Quadrant14 1 year ago
beautiful
inagod 1 year ago
I got to see the N9M-B fly a few years back at a Chino Airshow. I didn't hear that they had a fire in one of the engines! Yikes! Is there any update on finding one of the remaining replacement engines?
dregerclock 1 year ago
@dregerclock : Yes, the Flying Wing now has two new rebuilt engines and took to the air in May 2010 and flew in the Planes of Fame airshow a week later!
octane130 1 year ago
@octane130 - Oh Cool! does it have any schedule for flights that are not full airshows? I would like to go visit the museum again soon and it would be cool to do it on a day that the wing is flying.
dregerclock 1 year ago
Earniemanson. There's a reason we do MAG check at runups.
jeffvanark 1 year ago
@jeffvanark and at shutdown too on most props.
windogmassey1 1 year ago
The B-2 from 1940s.
MegaCHARGER1969 1 year ago
in this video you see at the end of the flight pulling her by her #2 prop= a very dumb idea as it is not wise to do so = if that engine has an impulse coupled magneto it could sudenly start if he accidently turned the prop if the mag switch wasleft on or the primary lead was damaged or broken=dumbass
earniemanson 1 year ago
The Northrop flying wing wasn't actually dangerous, but the USAF back then had some pretty ridiculous requirements for bombers back then. They made test pilots do loops and forced stalls and other very dangerous and unnecessary tests, things we wouldn't dare do nowadays with our bombers.
monkeyman1140 1 year ago
Beautiful.
QIQrrr 1 year ago
Northrop also had glider versions I wonder where they are? one sat in back of the Hawthorne plant for years and they were even smaller I recall they called it a jeep???.
yumyumsashimi 1 year ago
@yumyumsashimi scwtrials- Not a glider but the N-1 "JEEP", Flying Wing. The 1st trure all wing from Northrop powered by 2, 65hp Lycomings, then changed to 2, 120hp Franklins. 38 ft wing span x 17ft length. First flight in July,1940, Muroc Dry Lake. It's now in the Air & Space Museum, Wash, D.C.
scwtrials 1 year ago
@scwtrials I know the various prototypes that were built but like I said they also had a small version with a 12 foot wingspand when I worked their and a engineer told me they would tow it behind a jeep for flight testing, it had no engines and non retracting L.G.
yumyumsashimi 1 year ago
@yumyumsashimi scwtrials- An experimental glider version of the JB-1 ( jet bomb), Buzz Bomb Program. This tiny glider was built to test the efficiency of the flying wing design in jet bombs for the MX-324 & JB-1. The MX-324 is at the Air&Space Museum,Wash. DC. The demo glider was fitted with a cockpit& canopy for a test pilot to fly & gather data for design, control & stability of the Jet Bombs.
scwtrials 1 year ago
Beautiful! It's wonderful to see it flying, but I can't help be concerned about the risks of doing so and the chances of losing a historic plane, and of course the pilot.
taofledermaus 2 years ago
This half-scale or what exactly...?
wrh61 2 years ago
This is exactly what the title says.
BikerRussell 2 years ago
@wrh61 scwtrials- This is 1/3 scale ( 60 ft) of the later built XB-35, 4 prop engine & YB-49 jet, 8 engine Flying Wings which were 172 ft wing spans. The XB-35's were rushed into production before reliable jet engines were avaliable. Then in mid production, the remaining airframes were fitted with Allison turbojet engines.
scwtrials 1 year ago
@scwtrials The XB-35 was designed from the start to be piston powered. The YB 49, a hasty conversionof the B-35, came about only because the newly formed US Air Force had annouced a policy of only procuring jet powered bomber designs. The XB-35 was never "rushed in to production" its gestation in fact taking several years. If anything it was the YB-49 which was hastily produced and solely for the reason stated. Douglas & Convair also took the same route with their Mixmaster and B-60
EVISEH 2 months ago
Wooden construction...craftsman built and restored by craftsmen.
kirkmach32 2 years ago
That was wonderful. I'm glad somebody is keeping it flying.
jim1088 2 years ago
N9M. Prototype to the XB35/YB49/YRB49. Lovely airplane.
bluehazer 2 years ago
Awesome !
WarbirdFactory 2 years ago
Great video, I didn't know any of these still existed.
LocomotiveBreth 2 years ago
It the frontal view at 0:54 it looks like a B2.
Bloodgod40 2 years ago 2
I think the B2 looks like this. Hard to believe this was designed 69 years ago.
strontiumdog262 2 years ago
Awesome video as always octane! You are so lucky to be able to get so up close to these aircraft.
Bergstaller01 2 years ago
Amazing aircraft!
oisiaa 2 years ago
Incredible!
ericreig 2 years ago
r u a pilot???
mcnastyrangerz 2 years ago