Judo Lesson Tai-Otoshi (Part 1 of 2) by David Loshelder

[AlexsrAlexjr]

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[silverfoxpacheco619]

That's a good technique. I believe all techniques should be accepted and kept into consideration. The more you know the better you get.

[tadorjee]

Beautiful!I love Judo since my childhood but never got a chance to learn instead I did Boxing,Thai boxing and krav maga but now I'm in Judo.I love it.

Thanks for uploading.

[gavipk]

This is good foot and hip technique. Its more front facing than an orthodox low-stance tai otoshi, but it does a better job of keeping your body aligned and balanced and ready to transition. Many judo champions teach it this way.

[myotis58]

even Won Hee Lee does similar tai otoshi this way.... there are many many versions of doing each throw.....its way we are constantly learning to master them all....that is what makes us better practitioners and true masters of JUDO.

[thebootcampkettlebel]

sorry but you have to be in a deep lunge position to kick with the back of the leg that is doing the move, this is a great move for a short person to a taller man

[afhostie]

looks like hes using too much hip for a "hand technique" like tai otoshi if you ask me.

[Phlyy788]

I can say as a Judoka that Judo like all martial arts has a methodology to the movements, HOWEVER, I also have experienced first hand that you learn the textbook format but at the end of the day each one of us is different and we might not excute like another person would. I'm saying all this to say that it's really easy to criticize the Judoka giving the lessons on here or anybody else but what works for him might not work for you and that doesn't mean he's wrong.

[LardInATubeSock]

Further, he does it closer to the "traditional" way then someone even as medalled as say, Mike Swain. Mike does it almost like a hip throw and his leg doesn't go out that far. So are all these opinionated douchebags saying that Mike Swain, who used this throw as a primary technique, doesn't know what he is doing? lol Ridiculous.

All the correct mechanics are present. There are hundreds of individual variations of all throws.

[LardInATubeSock]

You guys are complete douchebags, I was taught the same footwork by an Eastern European Judo instructor. There is nothing wrong with what he is showing and it is simply one variation/version of Tai-O-toshi. Most people on here probably watch UFC or something, therefore they think they know everything. Keep up the good work.

[israelramos2008]

excellent teaching skills. please keep posting

[jay2684]

(watch?v=EezwfWk-Qqw) is probably a better way to do Tai otoshi. The one shown in this vid is quite inefficient.

[27albrecht]

Really great information information in this video, wish it was done using a higher quality camera with a tripod though so we don't have to hear the guy breathing lol

[betherelast]

like what kie5lich said this is kinda sad i can do better judo then him and he is ike 15 years older then me form is horrid

[kie5lich]

Before selling a book and posting a video to promote it, it might be necessary to actually master the techniques. The foot placement is inaccurate. The butt should be further in front of uke's left leg for the purpose of not blocking your own throw. This looks like a sloppy version of seoi otoshi. Not terrible, but for a person trying to make money with it, the quality should undoubtedly be better.

[GREEKTRUE]

@kie5lich he has short legs so no matter what he will always block him...

[LardInATubeSock]

@kie5lich Douchbag, this video is great. He knows what he is doing and saying. He is doing one variation. Go look at Mike Swain, he hardly even moves his leg out and his hip is always "in the way". Retard. KNow what you are talking about before you pretend you know something.

[Superapplefrog]

That's a stupid way to do it. Judo throws are supposed to be done in a circular fashion, using minimum effort - not jumping around. And I am writing this as a person who has easily floored a person in a real situation using tai otoshi. Stop trying to "modernise" throws that already work well and ruining them in the process. Where did you get your black belt from, the internet?

[selfdefense1234]

@Superapplefrog: Please post your variation and explanation of Tai-Otoshi in the video response section. I am curious to see your style of this throw.

[Superapplefrog]

Would if I had something to video it with. I'll see if I can find something that looks like the version I do on the internet and link to that instead

[Superapplefrog]

@selfdefense1234 the Tai Otoshi video on this page is like what I was taught, and is much more fluid than jumping: judoinfo[dot]com / gokyo1[dot]htm

[vaynebjj]

@Superapplefrog

I don't see anything wrong with his technique. He's a small guy and probably generates power like this.

No need to be all negative about it he's spreading good Judo nothing wrong with that.

[Superapplefrog]

@vaynebjj if he's doing a technique in such a way that it adds effort, then he is not spreading good judo, he is corrupting one of it's most important principles: maximum efficiency with minimum effort.

[NZSambo]

Finally I see some smart comments about jumping.

Why 90% teach jumping like goats or dancing like waltz.

Judo biomechanics - wrestling , not jumping or dancing.

[Superapplefrog]

Not really wrestling, whether you mean actual wrestling or WWE so-called "wrestling". More knocking someone off balance and flipping them in the air :-D - using minimum effort for maximum efficiency. I still wanna know which McDojo this guy got his black belt from

[NZSambo]

WWF(WWE) is not wrestling it is fighting circus show almost same as same as MMA/UFC.

WWF(WWE) for kids, and MMA/UFC for kids whom grow up.

There are some wrestling action, as well as fighting.

Judo is pure GI wrestling with prohibition of any fighting application.

It is basic of sport classification.

You would be surprise but I seen some rokudan and higher teach same bullshit and after I question them about on biomechanical ground, we not welcome any more even for matches.

[Superapplefrog]

Agreed on WWE not being wrestling, whatever people call it officially. As for kids, I wouldn't show mine and my partner's kids that sort of stuff, too violent. It's ridiculous that people actually let their kids watch that then wonder why their kids act out.

I still don't think judo fits the wrestling definition though. But anyway, how did you ask the question to those instructors? In a polite way?

[NZSambo]

Some Wrestling definition: (Individual Sports & Recreations / Wrestling) any of certain sports in which the contestants challenge each other according to various rules governing holds and usually forbidding blows with the closed fist. The principal object is to overcome the opponent either by throwing or pinning him to the ground or by causing him to submit.

[NZSambo]

Usually I ask about to justify his approach and offer fair analysis.

And it ends with fraises : Japanese teach this way and you not Japanese so you would not understand.

[Superapplefrog]

hang on you seem happy with a comment about his jumping, but now you try to justify him? huh? What does being Japanese have to do with it - Jigoro Kano never taught jumping and he created judo

[NZSambo]

No .... it anwer i got form people who refuse to analise technique with in biomechanical aproach..... it what thay say to me. cos me not japanese - i would not capeble to undestend.

Sorry for unclear post.

I not care what kano teached. i never live that time.

And for us kano not Judo creater.

Hi may develop judo for japanese, not for us.

For us Judo is set rules we wrestle by . that all.

[Superapplefrog]

I find it strange you claim to be Japanese yet you don't acknowledge this FACT: Kano invented judo

[NZSambo]

FACT - is JUDO not innovation.

Judo - is set of rules people wrestle by, and it not came from Kano.

and i am not Japanese.

[Superapplefrog]

Google 'judo'. On virtually any page you find that talks about the history of it, it will credit Jigoro Kano as the inventor of it. Now if you continue to argue without bothering to do your research, I'm not going to bother trying to educate you.

Judo is not a set of rules people wrestle by, it is a Martial Art derived from Ju-jutsu (jujitsu).

[NZSambo]

Some people say that on Mars living marsians. You one of them?

I not mind to give you lecture on sport classification matter but you may not be able afforded it.

[Superapplefrog]

You can't win a debate through ignorance so you try to win it through insults?

Clever. And it would help if you got someone to translate what you type properly

[NZSambo]

So usual for people like you who have no thing to say.

[Superapplefrog]

I had plenty to say. You just kept ignoraing it and repeating the same thing without bothering to check your facts. There's a name for that syndrome. I love you anyway

[kimsjudo007]

@Superapplefrog Google "David Loshelder judo" and you'll find he has 5 Bronze medals from US Nationals and 3 Silvers from the US Open. He was one of the top-ranked US judoka in the early and mid 1990's. Maybe you should have checked his history before the McDojo comment. What are your qualifications? You've thrown a tai otoshi "in a real situation"? What would that be, National or International competition? Self Defense? Get a grip, you're not in his league.

[Superapplefrog]

So what you're saying is he does sport judo. Now go to a club and compare that with traditional judo, taught for defence as judo originally was. And yes, self defence.

[kimsjudo007]

No, what I'm saying is that Mr. Loshelder has verifiable credentials that are easily checked by anyone so inclined to do so. I am also saying that perhaps you should have done so before engaging in character assassination. Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide your own credentials?

[Superapplefrog]

I'm a black belt in origamisotohuki

[kimsjudo007]

????

[kimsjudo007]

If you are going to publicly issue disparaging remarks about a demonstrably accomplished judoka (and author of a book on self defense), you are going to have to do better than this.

[Superapplefrog]

Prove his credentials then. Considering the fact a book can't teach self-defence

[kimsjudo007]

HIS credentials have been established. It was YOURS that I asked about.

I am a reasonable, intelligent man. Like all reasonable, intelligent men I am constantly evaluating sources of information.

What I want to know is this: What qualifies you to criticize Mr. Loshelder's knowledge of judo? A serious answer this time, if you please.

[Superapplefrog]

@kimsjudo007 funny, all google seems to come up with is books advertising the guy. And a single page confirming he is a judoka, but nothing about his results. Why so many links if he's legit? And why fake news websites advertising his product. Reminds me of the Everbright scam.

[kimsjudo007]

Did you click the results tab on the judoinside page? I thought not. Do a Google search for "libel", or ask your parents, because that is what these attacks are.

Mr. Loshelder has been demonstrated to be a legitimate and respected judoka, his book is endorsed by Jimmy Pedro (4X judo Olympian) and Hyu Ha Kim, inaugural member USJF Hall of Fame.

You choose to ignore these facts and continue your attacks while dodging legitimate questions about YOUR credentials.

[Superapplefrog]

@kimsjudo007 What are your parameters?

[kimsjudo007]

I am not sure I understand your question. Regardless, I will do you the courtesy of an answer despite your refusal to answer my questions. My parameter for libel: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.

My parameter for YOUR credentials: ANY credible evidence that you are qualified in any way to critique Mr. Loshelder's teaching. Are you a dan grade in judo for instance? What organization? How long?

[Superapplefrog]

@kimsjudo007 well if that's all true, why is it the case that when tai otoshi has been nominated before the fact, would it not be the case, were it not an unhappy incident of repercussions of which that is a negative, that the sequence of simulation regarding this video and your comments would be withheld were that the case that it was not the case that such a thing never happened?

[kimsjudo007]

OK. You know that this is not a sentence, right?

[Superapplefrog]

@kimsjudo007 Don't compare apples with oranges

[kimsjudo007]

You have repeatedly demonstrated that you are either unable or unwilling to engage in an intelligent, rational discussion.

You are acting as if you are a bored child with nothing better to do than issue spurious accusations.

Mr. Loshelder sells books. That means you are attacking his livelihood without cause. What you are doing, in fact, is nothing short of criminal.

I have no further time for your infantile antics.

[Superapplefrog]

@kimsjudo007 as I suspected, nothing logical to say to back up your arguments.

And it's not criminal to say a product is rubbish

[TheJudoboss]

it is not criminal to say a product is rubbish. everyone is entitled to their opinion however ignorant and uninformed it is. i think what the OP is saying is that it is illegal to say or print things about people that you know are not true. loshelder looks legit to me, why you say he's running a scam is beyond me. i'd trust him more than someone who says they used a tai o in self defence. great shiai technique, too many things to go wrong for self defence

[Superapplefrog]

Well then no offence but you're likely to have bad luck in a fight. I'd rather trust someone who has actually BEEN attacked for real than blindly trust someone just because he's a supposed black belt. That's how martial artists get their heads kicked in (the ones that that happens to) - blindly trusting, no questioning, like they're in a cult

[TheJudoboss]

i'm not offended. i believe that you've been in a fight, and i think i know why. i read all the comments on this video. you are both stubborn and clueless. that is a very bad combination

[Superapplefrog]

I'm not the one arrogantly and stubbornly insisting that something is absolutely perfect just because someone with a black belt is demonstrating it. Nuff said.

[TheJudoboss]

mate, you've got a real problem on your hands. you don't know what you don't know.

nobody once ever said that loshelder's tai o was perfect. I doubt the man himself would've said that. what everyone is trying to tell you, if you'd get your head out of you arse, is this is one way to do tai o taught by someone who's had a respectable record in competition. for the record, i don't do my tai o this way, but that doesn't make it wrong of right, it's just how i do it. get over yourself.

[Superapplefrog]

Now you're just comparing apples with oranges.

Making a technique have extra effort with no improvement in effectiveness is stupid whatever level you are at

[SofutoDorinku]

@Superapplefrog

i think David's variation is not that uncommon. watch this:

worldwideweb.youtube.com/watch­?v=Sc1tuj_Oyww&feature=related

even the japs have been practicing it like this for some time.

besides, judo has to develope and it certainly will.

[SlugDropsonheads]

@Superapplefrog Dude... that's just retarded... We don't use circular motions for all throws as a matter of fact their are few that actually use circular motion because it is too unstable the point of judo is control of your throws and if you move in a circular motion you'll only use centrifugal force which will land BOTH people on the ground...

[Malbrojia]

@Superapplefrog Wow, just wow.

[funwithatheism]

@Superapplefrog

I have a black belt and have been doing judo for 12 years (which is nothing in judo) and his technique looks fine to me. You would have to see it in randori to really judge it. Anyways, I would have to be honest and say that I have always found both in martial arts and education, that those who are the loudest usually know the least. Insecurity is almost always the explanation for someone who criticizes their betters in such a careless and childish way.

[saltyseaweed]

@Superapplefrog Tokio Hirano was jumping to get Tai Otoshi from 1930s. It's not modernization. You can see his videos on Youtube.

[butchmetal]

yes your body produces a lot of power from lowering your head and bending your back however even a low grade with any concept of defensive shisei means that they will end up PLOWING your face into the floor. so its best to raise the opponent with hikite, throw using tsurite with a straight back in an upright position.

[retardno002]

Yes, I agree, this is ONE way to do it but it is not the Kodokan way. This is not a hip throw. There is no need for so many steps setting up the move you just have to turn and throw the opponent over the leg. He missed another important bit, which is lifting the opponent's right arm by grabbing the sleeve and pulling up. You have to get him off balance. So basically this is not Tai Otoshi this is just a wide stance O Goshi.

[corismsyn]

no, not an o goshi at all...he is not loading uke into his hips...

[retardno002]

I believe he is. Watch closer. Plus he is not referring to the circular motion of the torso at all. I don't like his style and I don't find it effective against another trained judoka. And I agree to butchmetal (3 weeks ago). It's just... wrong. But it's only my opinion. Maybe it works just fine with him doing it.

[corismsyn]

watch at 1:40 and on...he is not loading uke onto hips..look at the direction of the off balancing...uke is brought diagonally forward onto his toes and if dave executed the throw, uke would've tripped over dave's leg...

[retardno002]

watch?v=EezwfWk-Qqw&feature=re­lated

this is the right way to do it. this guy is just bending over too much so he's using his hips as a fulcrum. that is why I said it's more of an O Goshi than Tai Otoshi.

compare and contrast for yourself.

[corismsyn]

link doesnt work...

[retardno002]

it's the tai otoshi in the related videos. the one done by ptnippon.

[corismsyn]

yeah that one's textbook...i believe yamashita does it that way too...

[retardno002]

YES! that's what I'm talking about!

[corismsyn]

google bent leg tai otoshi, i think dave's variant is that style of tai otoshi...i tried to link it here but for some reason it wont post my comment with the link...

[bmxkid63]

this throw is really powerful, but i still dont like it.

[Judo4ever5608]

i love this throw its so powerfull

[pittfrog]

Dave is a ridiculously good judo coach

[uchideshi]

Well explained! I would love to train with you.

[maofas]

That was VERY well explained. I like this throw a lot, but I'm still working to get it good--I think this helps me.

[lallope]

great work. tsurikomi,tsukuri, kasushi, atame, kake, should be explained to beginners

[kagster22]

just curious what is the name of your dojo? And what state is it in?

[judofreak859]

I also do tai otoshi like that way..

when your moves are good.. you can't injure..

love JUDO! <3 xD

[carlosgrana]

My instructor first taught me a both knees bent version. I had read books a bout that taio but he warned that you might injure knee. From that point on I discarded the throw.

[Karnic]

that's why I use this throw but with a little variation (I don't remember if it has its own name) I only block with my foot instead of using my knee bent.