So, he's already training under 10x gravity, which means his body probably weighs around 1,900, just under a ton. Added to that the 40 tons fromt he weights. And he's only at ssj1 here. That's pretty damn impressive.
@Johonywuzhere you have good points there, but he may have lift a car, but lifting a car is different than puting a car in your arm and attack at an incredible speed while grabbing it, but about the t-rex, in dbz the animals are a bit bigger than normal, but carrying 2 of them is over 15 tons and if he couldn't lift 1 piece of 10 tons he couldn't lift 15 tons.
@UltimateDanS Well I'm a bit confused to what your saying. For this clip it's mass is 40 tons, but if you take in account the 10 times gravity, it's 400 tons.
@Johonywuzhere you have good points there, but he may have lift a car, but lifting a car is different than puting a car in your arm and attack at an incredible speed while grabbing it, but about the t-rex, in dbz the animals are a bit bigger than normal, but carrying 2 of them is over 15 tons and if he couldn't lift 1 piece of 10 tons he couldn't lift 15 tons.
But im pretty sure that he was training with 400 tons in ssj mode, cuz 40 tons is no big deal for a ssj.
@Johonywuzhere you have good points there, but he may have lift a car, but lifting a car is different than puting a car in your arm and attack at an incredible speed while grabbing it, but about the t-rex, in dbz the animals are a bit bigger than normal, but carrying 2 of them is over 15 tons and if he couldn't lift 1 piece of 10 tons he couldn't lift 15 tons.
But im pretty sure that he was training with 400 tons in ssj mode, cuz 40 tons is no big deal for a ssj.
@Johonywuzhere do you remember goku carrying 2 dinossaurs? An animal like the dinossaurs he was carrying has probably over 40 tons of weight, so the 2 of them made probably over 80 thousand, so wich means that he couldn't only fight with 40 tons at super saiyan, cuz he grabbed the dinosssaurs in his normal state without effort.
@UltimateDanS No, I said that since the Kai planet has 10 times gravity, the 40 tons feels like 400 tons. Also the average t-rex is around 7 tons. Your calculations are far off. Goku as a SSJ made it seem like nothing was there. Also DBZ fighters aren't suited for weight lifting despite being able to lift a lot, enhancing Ki makes there striking power better, I'm sure an USSJ Goku could lift more then FPSSJ Goku, but FPSSJ can punch hard being able to focus his Ki better.
@UltimateDanS If power levels meant the amount of weight you could carry, Goku with a power level of 10 could lift Bulma's car, which would be for sure greater than 1 ton. That means SSJ Goku with a power level of 150,000,000 in the Frieza Saga would be able to lift 15,000,000 tons. Power levels don't have to do with lifting power, and enhance striking power, that's why FPSSJ is a much better for fighting then the Ascended Saiyan form or the Ultra Super Saiyan.
@Johonywuzhere The car-lifting feat and the fact that farmer with a shotgun had a power level of 5 strongly implies that physical strength and power level scales logarithmically.
@ArcangelParagon That's what I said, I said Power Level has don't have to do with striking power and Ki, not lifting power. Although you could argue that the Farm+the Shotgun together could have affected the scouter, Goku can't lift 150,000,000 tons against Frieza.
@Johonywuzhere you got a point there, even though goku is attacking at a speed probably far superior to sound 2x a piece that it means 2 tons wouldn't be much of a deal, first he was training with 20 tons in each arm, so in the hole body was 60 tons.
@ArcangelParagon Ya it wouldn't change the weight of the actual weight, but it would feel like it was 400 tons, said and it would exercise the same as it would at 400 tons. The gravitational force is not what determines the weight, otherwise King Kai with a power level of 3500 would also feel the force and he used his power on the weights not the planet himself. You can't just change a planet's gravity, that's only in the gravity chamber.
@Johonywuzhere I have no idea what you're trying to say. The gravitational force does determine an object's weight. When you call an object's weight, it wouldn't be relative to some other planet (in this case Earth). If you say that this object is 40 tons, it's 40 tons there. It doesn't make any sense to assume otherwise.
@ArcangelParagon Well obviously everyone in the world can't read. I said he is carrying 40 tons total, since the gravity is 10 times on the planet it would feel like 400 tons, it doesn't change the weight, it just would feel the same and exercise his muscles the same.
@Johonywuzhere Obviously not because you still seem to miss the point. Yes, the gravity is 10x, but that's already factored into the weight. The only real difference would be the weight of his own his limbs, but the weight of the objects is still 40 tonnes.
@ArcangelParagon No, absolute weight doesn't change no matter the gravity is, so I don't think King Kai would say it's 40 tons with the added gravity because that wouldn't be proper, since it wouldn't be 40 tons it would be 4 tons. If I had something that weighed 100 pounds on the Kai planet, I wouldn't say it's 1000 pounds, I would say it's 100 pounds. It's 40 tons on 10x gravity, so it feels like 400 tons, plus Goku himself is 10 times heavier.
@Johonywuzhere It's mass that doesn't change regardless of gravity. Pretty sure that absolute weight disregards everything _but_ mass and gravity. I guess what we should be arguing is if King Kai meant 40 tonnes in mass or 40 tonnes in weight. If it's the former, then yes, it would weigh 400 tonnes. If it's the latter, it's just 40 tonnes. I still believe it's the latter because it's consistent with earlier feats of strength in DBZ and a lot closer to the numbers too.
@ArcangelParagon My bad I meant mass, got mixed up, but I doubt King Kai would take in gravity to account. It's not consistent with feats of DB and DBZ. Goku in the original Dragon Ball could wrestle huge fish easily, and pick up Bulma's car with a power level of 10. Considering his power level is 15 million more times that when he first went Super Saiyan on Namek, that doesn't seem right at all, also he a huge huge deal stronger in Base then he was as a SSJ on Namek.
@Johonywuzhere King Kai would take the gravity into account if he meant weight instead of mass.
And like I said, it's consistent with feats in DB if you assume that physical strength scales logarithmically with power level, which is what evidence seems to indicate. Goku trained at 100x gravity, which puts him at 6.2 tonnes and then Vegeta at base trained at 300x gravity, which put him at 18 tonnes. 40 tonnes isn't too far beyond that while 400 is a bit too much.
@ArcangelParagon Take note that was there body though. It's not the same as holding something. Also take note Goku and Vegeta did this in there base forms, SSJ is 50x base form, not to mention Goku and Vegeta got tremendously more powerful from the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and this is Goku after he trained 7 years in Other World.
@Johonywuzhere I am completely aware of that fact. That's why SSJ multipliers are a non-issue since Vegeta trained in base form and Goku is shown at base form. It's a fair comparison.
And despite the RoSaT training, 400 tonnes is just too far a leap from 18 tonnes for Vegeta established earlier within the same arc.
At any rate, the whole point of this was, 40 or 400 and even with multipliers, neither comes close to Superman's planet towing, estimated at ~6x10^20 tons.
@ArcangelParagon This wasn't a Goku vs Superman thread, but like I said, Goku and every character in DBZ aren't the same as the American comic book heroes, where we measure there power by weight lifting. DBZ has there characters power level demonstrated and measured through destructive ability, hence why Goku could lift over a 1 with a power level of 10, and yet he didn't show any strength feats of him carrying trillions tons during the later half of DBZ.
@Johonywuzhere My mistake, I was having a very similar discussion on another video and kinda lost track. Sorry. But no, you don't have to explain it. Like I said, I agree. In DBZ, PL clearly doesn't scale linearly with physical strength. And what I meant about 400 not scaling properly is that as you said, from a PL of 10 to a PL of 90,000, Goku only goes from ~2 tonnes to ~6.2 tonnes. A jump to 400 tonnes with a relatively similar increase just doesn't make sense.
@ArcangelParagon Not exactly. Let's do this with a power level of atleast 416+zenkai, Goku trains at 10x gravity on the kai planet. With a power level of probably around 8000+zenkai he is able to train at 100x gravity. This shows that Goku can increase his lifting strength nearly 10x in one year with a x20 power level increase. Now considering that his power level is 3,000,000 in base when he fights Frieza, that's a 375x PL increase.
@ArcangelParagon Now it's obvious that after the Frieza Saga, and mainly during the ROSAT training the Goku and Gohan realize that bulking up muscles is not the best way to train, so from here on out Goku mainly trains on focusing Ki to create more destructive ability, but as shown here Goku still does use weight training from time to time. Anyways it's clearly plausible since Goku increased his lifting strength 10x in one year, that he could lift 400 tons after 10 years.
@Johonywuzhere If you put it that way, I suppose it makes more sense. Especially if you factor in Vegeta who trained weighing ~16.2 tonnes with only a PL of ~250,000. It's Goku's car-lifting feat that makes no sense apparently since he struggled when he 620kg at King Kai's planet, but he could lift with one hand an object that weighed ~2 tonnes. I suppose you can chalk that up to a DBZ car not weighing the same as a real world car though.
@ArcangelParagon Well he didn't exactly struggle. He just noticed the difference he could still jump a good 50 feet up in there, but he still felt it for sure and noticeably slowed down. I'm guessing since it's the gravity which makes his actual body collapse and aren't just external weight he has to lift, thus making them struggle more.
@ArcangelParagon Also it's perfectly reasonable. It's different bench pressing and just lifting 18 tons, then when your body on the ground and actually having to move it and your bones are actually collapsing one you. Also that was Vegeta before he first went Super Saiyan. As a Super Saiyan his physical lifting strength should atleast be doubled. Now after ROSAT (one year) the Z fighter have roughly increased their PL's by 5 times. Now add 7 years of other world training.
this is actually 400 tons in total. It's the Kai training planet which is 10x Earth's gravity, so it feels like 400 tons, plus Goku's body feels 10 times heavier on top of that.
@Johonywuzhere Except weight is determined by gravitational force, which means that "40 tons" already takes that into account. So no, it's just 40 tons.
@Johonywuzhere Just consider this: In an object weighs 10 pounds on Earth and you bring it to the moon, you don't say it weighs 10 pounds. Because it doesn't. You say it weighs 1.6 pounds because of moon's gravity. Same deal. The gravitational force on the Kai training planet is what determines how much those weights weigh. So when they say it's "40 tons," it already considers the difference between Earth's gravity and that planet's gravity. So yeah, it really just weighs 40 tons.
@Johonywuzhere You are mixing up the concepts of gravity and mass. Mass is absolute... for example, my mass in pounds is 180 pounds. That is the same on Earth, in space, or on King Kai's planet. However, the physical exertion required to lift that mass depends on the gravitational pull of my surroundings, which is what's known as a weight. On Earth, the weight is -9.81 m/s/s. Therefore, on King Kai's planet, it would be -98.1 m/s.
@Th3ch0s3n0n3s I'M NOT SAYING IT'S MASS IS 400 TONS. I said since the gravity is 10x it would feel like 400 tons, and that it would exercise the muscles same as it would at 400 tons for normal Earth gravity. People need to read I never said it was 400 tons I just said that's how it would feel like to him, it's the same force.
@Johonywuzhere Ok, then we're on the same page. But you implied a mass of 400 tons, and I was just pointing out that it's only perceived as 400 tons to Goku.
@Th3ch0s3n0n3s I never implied that, I said since the gravity is 10 times, it would feel like 400 tons, plus his body would feel 10 times heavier. Never did I say it would change the absolute weight.
@Johonywuzhere yes you did imply that. I don't know why you are being so defensive and freaking the shit out. Relax, I agree with your point. I'm only pointing out the fact that you implied something else, whether or not it was by accident, you did.
@Th3ch0s3n0n3s How did I imply that? I said, "this is actually 400 tons in total. It's the Kai training planet which is 10x Earth's gravity, so it feels like 400 tons, plus Goku's body feels 10 times heavier on top of that." Note that I said FEELS.
@DrunkenGamingMaster Ya but it's the Kai training planet which is 10 times more then Earth's gravity so it's actually like 400 tons, plus Goku's body feels 10 times heavier.
@DrunkenGamingMaster Theres a big difference between lifting 10 tons and punching and kicking around with 10 tons on each limb. Curling 25 lbs is pretty easy for most men, but it is ALOT harder doing shoulder lateral raises with 25 lbs. Its the same concept here. Also king kai's planet has 10x gravity so the 10 tons was actually 100 tons. Goku is also substantially weaker when he's not in super saiyan form. Definitely no plot hole here at all.
If i recall, King Kai's Planet is 10 times that of Earth's gravity, so if Goku is lifting 2 tons on king kai's planet then he is really lifting 20 tons a peice, all together 80 tons.....and when south kai turns them into 10 tons a peice, its actually 100 tons a peice, altogether 400!......and Goku even reveals if goes Super Saiyan he would be able to lift it like nothing, basically saying he can lift more.....also as a super saiyan his power increases 50 times normal!
Mystic Gohan is always in his ultimate form and doesn't have to power up unlike Goku, but he just has less experience than Goku overall and would lose to Goku in the long run. If Goku could sustain SSJ3 for a long period of time, even though he is weaker, SSJ3 Goku would win against Mystic Gohan. In the end Gohan would beat out SSJ3 Goku not just because he is stronger, but because Goku can only sustain SSJ3 for a very short time.
@loverboy6667 lol fat buu and ss3 goku are not equal, goku kicked his ass. He just couldnt hold ss3 cuz it shortened his day in life with his friends. Also super buu was weaker than ss3 gotenks and goku is about equal to gotenks maybe just slightly weaker, there fore super buu and goku are about equal.
So ur retarded, also btw i meant that comparing animes is retarded cuz they will never mess and they have completely different sort of strengh. Example gen jutsu in naruto beats all.
@SelfMadeHero04 That makes no sense? Because naruto has a beat all move that is too slow to use, means naruto would lose, There for there is no problem with comparing anime's. You have to use there actual speeds, etc. And then anime's i used are on par in speed with dbz, and have effects that beat dbz so there for dbz loses.
And your opinion doesn't matter, i'm using facts. Opinions don't matter in arguments where facts can be presented. :)
@SelfMadeHero04 then your winning my fight anyway, but look here, doesn't wina fight. genjutsu doesn't kill you, tsukiyomi makes you feel alot of pain, not enough to kill, kakashi was fucked up after it, but goku has been through more pain than itachi could imagine, so goku would be fine through a genjutsu.
@loverboy6667 Goku said even himself he was not trying when he fought fat buu in ssj3 form, so he could have killed fat buu, but he said he wanted the boys to save the earth for once because he's not always going to be there to protect the earth.
@mlgprox1 Goku said he wasn't fighting as serious, But he could only go ss3 either because he was dead. or he could hold it that long because he was dead.
Remember when he tried again. and couldn't? being dead makes thing easier form a fighting stand point, cause you got basically infinite of your energy.
So him not being dead. he'd of lost easily.
Also no proof he could of killed him, maybe fucked him up. but kill most likely not. it took all the z fighters plus more to kill kid buu
@SelfMadeHero04 Also King crimson could possibly beat goku, Or make it so goku couldn't never hurt him, no matter how hard he tried. And Gold experience requiem could beat goku, Or hold him to a complete draw, In which goku could never do anything ever.
@ucantknockthehustle lol Not only are they not the strongest anime/cartoon characters, you don't even have that order correct. By the end of Z, Gohan >>> Goku.
@ucantknockthehustle lol no. Off the very top of my head, TTGL and Haruhi Suzumiya. I'd be compelled to list more, but I really only need one to prove you wrong.
Also, you have no right to call yourself a fan if you think that Goku was stronger than Gohan. Goku and Vegeta themselves said that they couldn't come out to face Super Buu, because they had no chance against him, the same creature that Mystic Gohan tossed around like a ragdoll earlier on. So no, Mystic Gohan >>>> SSJ3 Goku.
@ArcangelParagon Although I suppose since we are talking about animated characters, we would have to count DBGT, in which case, yes, Goku was stronger than Gohan there. But no, they're still not the most powerful animated characters.
@ArcangelParagon kid buu > super buu & goku was equal to kid buu so goku > gohan...when super buu was transforming into kid buu vegeta says "how can he be increasing instead of decreasing" & supreme kai says that kid buu is stronger than super buu, so therefore goku > gohan, also "off the top of my head" is not proof & websites where fans discuss their opinions is not proof, i want actual quotes from the creator himself, get back to me when you get proof
Dude Goku would beat the hulk purely because of speed, yea Hulk is stronger but the same reason why goku beats hulk is the same reason why superman beats hulk, because of speed. The reason why Superman vs Goku is a much better fight is because Superman can match or even possibly outmatch Goku's speed and strength
If i try to punch a mosquito in the air with my fist, i will take me forever, i will die first.. lol... Same thing with Hulk and Goku.. In the unlikely scenario that Hulk has more punching power than Goku, at Goku speed Hulk will nvr catch him in a lifetime. Or Goku does a instant transmission with Hulk and throw him in Space, let him suffocate to death.
@Bboylakorn Let's see... 800,000 pounds, then... I can walk around with ease with about 10 pounds total extra weight on me... meaning that Goku was 80,000 times as strong as me in ssj, multiplied by 5 (assuming I have an average human power level) would leave ssj Goku at a power level of 400,000. . . . Something's wrong here. I'm going to just assume that some inexplicable thing made those circumstances make sense for Goku's power level.
@mdudegamer friezas base power level was around 1 million in his final form it was much more and ssj goku beat him, so your math or something is a little off ; )
@mlgprox1 Frieza had a power level of around 1 million in his second form. 100% final form frieza had a power level of around 120 million. Goku had a base power level of 3 million against Frieza. Transforming into a ssj increases a saiyans power 50 fold, making Goku having a power level of around 150 million when he fought Frieza.
@12anpanin It is confirmed that Frieza had a power level of 120 million. It was confirmed that Goku at the start of his fight against Frieza his base power is 3 million. It is confirmed that when a saiyan transforms into a ssj their power increases to 50 fold. 3 million times 50 = 150 million. Where is my math wrong?
@AnIndoneousUsername when you say "alternative universe" im assuming your trying to say its not canon. the entire other world saga wasn't canon either as in it didn't occur in the manga. which means none of the other kais aside from king kai are in it
So if hulk gets punched in the head ....well no head ...see vegetation would just blow a whole threw his chest laff and blow up the rest ..like these niggas don't even leave ashes lol ....the fight with the power of a million wars off of skill and speed with power and energy ....hulk got Lil Dick
Ok 1 goku wins ...2 there are other heroes and villains that can go toe to toe with the hulk for a while even with anger ...3 broly is the hulk on the sayain world and goku found a way to bring him down ...and the nigga didn't die but stopped him 4 a few yrs ...so hulk is from earth goku is from a planet that babies are born 10x gravity ....hulk is deasle Si ....but goku is stronger then gods no exaggeration...if he has the force to blow up a planet he can put all that energy into 1 punch ...end
WTF are you guys talking about??? Hulk isn't anything compared to Goku and Hulk is my favorite Marvel character! Hulk had trouble destroying a tank idiots...Goku has no limits thats how he is always getting stronger and Hulk barely changes. He got his ass whooped by Abomination easily...DONT EVER compare Hulk to Goku again... please and thank u asswipes lol
@SoaringNinjaStrike Hmmm just strength versus strength well I guess that Hulk would be able to lift more, but again Goku is farrrrr faster than the hulk meaning the hulk would never be able to land a blow. Also he didn't say he couldn't LIFT 10 tons just he can't do martial arts faster than the human eye with them ;). Hulk can't beat him if he can't hit em.
@SoaringNinjaStrike 10 tons to goku in SSJ1 is like 10 lbs to a normal human male. So imagine him going SSJ2 then he could probably easily put 30 tons on each one making it a total of 120 tons. And in SSJ3 he could probably put 60 tons on each making it a total of 240 tons. Plus even though the hulk is strong he isn't anywhere near as fast as Goku and Goku can also use energy blasts. So...nope Goku is still WAY stronger XD
@swordo21 goku can hold 240 tonnes at super saiyan three, the hulk held 150,000,000,0 tonnes above his head, goku can blow up the planet with a concentrated beam of energy, the hulk blew up an asteroid twice the size of earth.......with his fucking fist, goku's power cap can constantly be raised with training, the hulk has no cap
hulk would literally bend goku over, and fuck him, he's going to fuck him swordo21, and goku isnt going to enjoy it, not...... one...... bit.....
@trollope4lyf2k8 provide me evidence that the hulk actually did any of these things. I have yet to heard of the hulk destroying a giant asteroid with his fist or him lifting an object that weighed 1.5 billion tons. By the way you need to learn how to write before replying back to this. Just by screaming (powering up) to SSJ3 Goku shook the entire planet, caused 8.0 earthquakes all over the world, and it wouldn't even take half of his power for him to destroy something twice the size of Earth.
@trollope4lyf you wrote 150,000,000,0....this is the incorrect way of writing a number with commas. It should have read 1,500,000,000. 150 billion would be 150,000,000,000. See the difference between the two? And yes i'm aware of the "the madder the hulk gets, the stronger the hulk gets" thing. But it doesn't make a difference if he is killed before he can even get that angry. For one the hulk would never be able to even touch Goku because of his speed. That whole speed of light thing is a bitch
@trollope4lyf2k8 I know the hulk is awesome, and in the Marvel universe he is the strongest there is, but compared to Goku at this time in the DBZ universe he couldn't win a FIGHT. Sure he can lift more, but whoop-de-fuckin-do. As Goku once said, "All this strength means nothing without the speed to back it up." Goku could dodge the hulks attacks until the hulk was so angry his sneezes could destroy worlds, but he still can't hit goku. Meaning Goku can incinerate the hulk with a kamehameha
@trollope4lyf2k8 Please, Goku could make the hulk look like a car after it got hit by a bullet train before the hulk even lifts a pinky. Hell, Goku could probably incinerate him in a spirit bomb by the time the hulk actually moves.
Ow my brain. Stop talking all this physics talk. I get enough during school
CattTheCat 2 days ago
Nerds everywhere...
58631495 6 days ago
he's lifting 8 tons in his normal form
tai302 1 week ago
papoi shit his pants
Shyamalz 1 week ago
So, he's already training under 10x gravity, which means his body probably weighs around 1,900, just under a ton. Added to that the 40 tons fromt he weights. And he's only at ssj1 here. That's pretty damn impressive.
McFuuckYou 1 week ago
@Johonywuzhere you have good points there, but he may have lift a car, but lifting a car is different than puting a car in your arm and attack at an incredible speed while grabbing it, but about the t-rex, in dbz the animals are a bit bigger than normal, but carrying 2 of them is over 15 tons and if he couldn't lift 1 piece of 10 tons he couldn't lift 15 tons.
UltimateDanS 2 weeks ago
@UltimateDanS Well I'm a bit confused to what your saying. For this clip it's mass is 40 tons, but if you take in account the 10 times gravity, it's 400 tons.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
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@Johonywuzhere you have good points there, but he may have lift a car, but lifting a car is different than puting a car in your arm and attack at an incredible speed while grabbing it, but about the t-rex, in dbz the animals are a bit bigger than normal, but carrying 2 of them is over 15 tons and if he couldn't lift 1 piece of 10 tons he couldn't lift 15 tons.
But im pretty sure that he was training with 400 tons in ssj mode, cuz 40 tons is no big deal for a ssj.
UltimateDanS 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere you have good points there, but he may have lift a car, but lifting a car is different than puting a car in your arm and attack at an incredible speed while grabbing it, but about the t-rex, in dbz the animals are a bit bigger than normal, but carrying 2 of them is over 15 tons and if he couldn't lift 1 piece of 10 tons he couldn't lift 15 tons.
But im pretty sure that he was training with 400 tons in ssj mode, cuz 40 tons is no big deal for a ssj.
UltimateDanS 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere do you remember goku carrying 2 dinossaurs? An animal like the dinossaurs he was carrying has probably over 40 tons of weight, so the 2 of them made probably over 80 thousand, so wich means that he couldn't only fight with 40 tons at super saiyan, cuz he grabbed the dinosssaurs in his normal state without effort.
UltimateDanS 2 weeks ago
@UltimateDanS No, I said that since the Kai planet has 10 times gravity, the 40 tons feels like 400 tons. Also the average t-rex is around 7 tons. Your calculations are far off. Goku as a SSJ made it seem like nothing was there. Also DBZ fighters aren't suited for weight lifting despite being able to lift a lot, enhancing Ki makes there striking power better, I'm sure an USSJ Goku could lift more then FPSSJ Goku, but FPSSJ can punch hard being able to focus his Ki better.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@UltimateDanS If power levels meant the amount of weight you could carry, Goku with a power level of 10 could lift Bulma's car, which would be for sure greater than 1 ton. That means SSJ Goku with a power level of 150,000,000 in the Frieza Saga would be able to lift 15,000,000 tons. Power levels don't have to do with lifting power, and enhance striking power, that's why FPSSJ is a much better for fighting then the Ascended Saiyan form or the Ultra Super Saiyan.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere The car-lifting feat and the fact that farmer with a shotgun had a power level of 5 strongly implies that physical strength and power level scales logarithmically.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon That's what I said, I said Power Level has don't have to do with striking power and Ki, not lifting power. Although you could argue that the Farm+the Shotgun together could have affected the scouter, Goku can't lift 150,000,000 tons against Frieza.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere I know, I was agreeing with you.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere you got a point there, even though goku is attacking at a speed probably far superior to sound 2x a piece that it means 2 tons wouldn't be much of a deal, first he was training with 20 tons in each arm, so in the hole body was 60 tons.
UltimateDanS 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Ya it wouldn't change the weight of the actual weight, but it would feel like it was 400 tons, said and it would exercise the same as it would at 400 tons. The gravitational force is not what determines the weight, otherwise King Kai with a power level of 3500 would also feel the force and he used his power on the weights not the planet himself. You can't just change a planet's gravity, that's only in the gravity chamber.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere I have no idea what you're trying to say. The gravitational force does determine an object's weight. When you call an object's weight, it wouldn't be relative to some other planet (in this case Earth). If you say that this object is 40 tons, it's 40 tons there. It doesn't make any sense to assume otherwise.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Well obviously everyone in the world can't read. I said he is carrying 40 tons total, since the gravity is 10 times on the planet it would feel like 400 tons, it doesn't change the weight, it just would feel the same and exercise his muscles the same.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere Obviously not because you still seem to miss the point. Yes, the gravity is 10x, but that's already factored into the weight. The only real difference would be the weight of his own his limbs, but the weight of the objects is still 40 tonnes.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon No, absolute weight doesn't change no matter the gravity is, so I don't think King Kai would say it's 40 tons with the added gravity because that wouldn't be proper, since it wouldn't be 40 tons it would be 4 tons. If I had something that weighed 100 pounds on the Kai planet, I wouldn't say it's 1000 pounds, I would say it's 100 pounds. It's 40 tons on 10x gravity, so it feels like 400 tons, plus Goku himself is 10 times heavier.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere It's mass that doesn't change regardless of gravity. Pretty sure that absolute weight disregards everything _but_ mass and gravity. I guess what we should be arguing is if King Kai meant 40 tonnes in mass or 40 tonnes in weight. If it's the former, then yes, it would weigh 400 tonnes. If it's the latter, it's just 40 tonnes. I still believe it's the latter because it's consistent with earlier feats of strength in DBZ and a lot closer to the numbers too.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon My bad I meant mass, got mixed up, but I doubt King Kai would take in gravity to account. It's not consistent with feats of DB and DBZ. Goku in the original Dragon Ball could wrestle huge fish easily, and pick up Bulma's car with a power level of 10. Considering his power level is 15 million more times that when he first went Super Saiyan on Namek, that doesn't seem right at all, also he a huge huge deal stronger in Base then he was as a SSJ on Namek.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere King Kai would take the gravity into account if he meant weight instead of mass.
And like I said, it's consistent with feats in DB if you assume that physical strength scales logarithmically with power level, which is what evidence seems to indicate. Goku trained at 100x gravity, which puts him at 6.2 tonnes and then Vegeta at base trained at 300x gravity, which put him at 18 tonnes. 40 tonnes isn't too far beyond that while 400 is a bit too much.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Take note that was there body though. It's not the same as holding something. Also take note Goku and Vegeta did this in there base forms, SSJ is 50x base form, not to mention Goku and Vegeta got tremendously more powerful from the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and this is Goku after he trained 7 years in Other World.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere I am completely aware of that fact. That's why SSJ multipliers are a non-issue since Vegeta trained in base form and Goku is shown at base form. It's a fair comparison.
And despite the RoSaT training, 400 tonnes is just too far a leap from 18 tonnes for Vegeta established earlier within the same arc.
At any rate, the whole point of this was, 40 or 400 and even with multipliers, neither comes close to Superman's planet towing, estimated at ~6x10^20 tons.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon This wasn't a Goku vs Superman thread, but like I said, Goku and every character in DBZ aren't the same as the American comic book heroes, where we measure there power by weight lifting. DBZ has there characters power level demonstrated and measured through destructive ability, hence why Goku could lift over a 1 with a power level of 10, and yet he didn't show any strength feats of him carrying trillions tons during the later half of DBZ.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere My mistake, I was having a very similar discussion on another video and kinda lost track. Sorry. But no, you don't have to explain it. Like I said, I agree. In DBZ, PL clearly doesn't scale linearly with physical strength. And what I meant about 400 not scaling properly is that as you said, from a PL of 10 to a PL of 90,000, Goku only goes from ~2 tonnes to ~6.2 tonnes. A jump to 400 tonnes with a relatively similar increase just doesn't make sense.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Not exactly. Let's do this with a power level of atleast 416+zenkai, Goku trains at 10x gravity on the kai planet. With a power level of probably around 8000+zenkai he is able to train at 100x gravity. This shows that Goku can increase his lifting strength nearly 10x in one year with a x20 power level increase. Now considering that his power level is 3,000,000 in base when he fights Frieza, that's a 375x PL increase.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Now it's obvious that after the Frieza Saga, and mainly during the ROSAT training the Goku and Gohan realize that bulking up muscles is not the best way to train, so from here on out Goku mainly trains on focusing Ki to create more destructive ability, but as shown here Goku still does use weight training from time to time. Anyways it's clearly plausible since Goku increased his lifting strength 10x in one year, that he could lift 400 tons after 10 years.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere If you put it that way, I suppose it makes more sense. Especially if you factor in Vegeta who trained weighing ~16.2 tonnes with only a PL of ~250,000. It's Goku's car-lifting feat that makes no sense apparently since he struggled when he 620kg at King Kai's planet, but he could lift with one hand an object that weighed ~2 tonnes. I suppose you can chalk that up to a DBZ car not weighing the same as a real world car though.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Well he didn't exactly struggle. He just noticed the difference he could still jump a good 50 feet up in there, but he still felt it for sure and noticeably slowed down. I'm guessing since it's the gravity which makes his actual body collapse and aren't just external weight he has to lift, thus making them struggle more.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon I could send you a PM explaining it.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Also it's perfectly reasonable. It's different bench pressing and just lifting 18 tons, then when your body on the ground and actually having to move it and your bones are actually collapsing one you. Also that was Vegeta before he first went Super Saiyan. As a Super Saiyan his physical lifting strength should atleast be doubled. Now after ROSAT (one year) the Z fighter have roughly increased their PL's by 5 times. Now add 7 years of other world training.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
King Kai really cracks me up, 3:40 deuces to you too King Kai :)
icemanbto 3 weeks ago
Well a sperm whale weighs 40tons, so if you can pull it off your a "Super Sayian"
Edge111189 1 month ago
@Edge111189 this isnt on king kais planet, his planet blew up with cell, hence why king kai has a halo
DARKLORDSATAN 1 month ago
@DARKLORDSATAN You responed to the wrong person :P
Edge111189 1 month ago
this is actually 400 tons in total. It's the Kai training planet which is 10x Earth's gravity, so it feels like 400 tons, plus Goku's body feels 10 times heavier on top of that.
Johonywuzhere 1 month ago 2
@Johonywuzhere Except weight is determined by gravitational force, which means that "40 tons" already takes that into account. So no, it's just 40 tons.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere Just consider this: In an object weighs 10 pounds on Earth and you bring it to the moon, you don't say it weighs 10 pounds. Because it doesn't. You say it weighs 1.6 pounds because of moon's gravity. Same deal. The gravitational force on the Kai training planet is what determines how much those weights weigh. So when they say it's "40 tons," it already considers the difference between Earth's gravity and that planet's gravity. So yeah, it really just weighs 40 tons.
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@Johonywuzhere You are mixing up the concepts of gravity and mass. Mass is absolute... for example, my mass in pounds is 180 pounds. That is the same on Earth, in space, or on King Kai's planet. However, the physical exertion required to lift that mass depends on the gravitational pull of my surroundings, which is what's known as a weight. On Earth, the weight is -9.81 m/s/s. Therefore, on King Kai's planet, it would be -98.1 m/s.
But it's still exactly 40 tons of weights.
Th3ch0s3n0n3s 2 weeks ago
@Th3ch0s3n0n3s I'M NOT SAYING IT'S MASS IS 400 TONS. I said since the gravity is 10x it would feel like 400 tons, and that it would exercise the muscles same as it would at 400 tons for normal Earth gravity. People need to read I never said it was 400 tons I just said that's how it would feel like to him, it's the same force.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere Ok, then we're on the same page. But you implied a mass of 400 tons, and I was just pointing out that it's only perceived as 400 tons to Goku.
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Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Th3ch0s3n0n3s I never implied that, I said since the gravity is 10 times, it would feel like 400 tons, plus his body would feel 10 times heavier. Never did I say it would change the absolute weight.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
@Johonywuzhere yes you did imply that. I don't know why you are being so defensive and freaking the shit out. Relax, I agree with your point. I'm only pointing out the fact that you implied something else, whether or not it was by accident, you did.
Th3ch0s3n0n3s 2 weeks ago
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@Th3ch0s3n0n3s How did I imply that? I said, "this is actually 400 tons in total. It's the Kai training planet which is 10x Earth's gravity, so it feels like 400 tons, plus Goku's body feels 10 times heavier on top of that." Note that I said FEELS.
Johonywuzhere 2 weeks ago
Cells voice?
TheBazzrt 1 month ago
@TheBazzrt likely same voice actor
DARKLORDSATAN 1 month ago
@TheBazzrt i was so just thinking that too
Lifterstriker 3 weeks ago
Remastered my ass!
drzonlyjonas323 1 month ago
Goku being indimidated by ten tons? SPIDER-MAN can lift ten tons. Heck, even Kingpin in the 70's. F-cking plot-holes.
DrunkenGamingMaster 1 month ago
@DrunkenGamingMaster Ya but it's the Kai training planet which is 10 times more then Earth's gravity so it's actually like 400 tons, plus Goku's body feels 10 times heavier.
Johonywuzhere 1 month ago
@DrunkenGamingMaster Theres a big difference between lifting 10 tons and punching and kicking around with 10 tons on each limb. Curling 25 lbs is pretty easy for most men, but it is ALOT harder doing shoulder lateral raises with 25 lbs. Its the same concept here. Also king kai's planet has 10x gravity so the 10 tons was actually 100 tons. Goku is also substantially weaker when he's not in super saiyan form. Definitely no plot hole here at all.
ilike2eatt 3 weeks ago
What episode is this
mariorobledo38 1 month ago
u do know, king kai and goku are played by the same acting voice, sean :P
TheSelfIndulgence 1 month ago
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Korizmatic 1 month ago
what episode is this?
justinburch21 1 month ago
L M F A O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NextGenBasterds2192 1 month ago
attention. trollope4lyf2k8 is a fucking nerd and is dumb as the shit i just took. that is all.
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If i recall, King Kai's Planet is 10 times that of Earth's gravity, so if Goku is lifting 2 tons on king kai's planet then he is really lifting 20 tons a peice, all together 80 tons.....and when south kai turns them into 10 tons a peice, its actually 100 tons a peice, altogether 400!......and Goku even reveals if goes Super Saiyan he would be able to lift it like nothing, basically saying he can lift more.....also as a super saiyan his power increases 50 times normal!
Blaqisbener1 1 month ago
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Blaqisbener1 1 month ago
@2:30 Thanks Captain Obvious....
UltimateElite100 1 month ago
jeez, thers lots of trolling here
TheDTD500 1 month ago
lol
Cyanidekoolaid616 1 month ago
Mystic Gohan is always in his ultimate form and doesn't have to power up unlike Goku, but he just has less experience than Goku overall and would lose to Goku in the long run. If Goku could sustain SSJ3 for a long period of time, even though he is weaker, SSJ3 Goku would win against Mystic Gohan. In the end Gohan would beat out SSJ3 Goku not just because he is stronger, but because Goku can only sustain SSJ3 for a very short time.
ChrisRey3156 1 month ago
is it just me or is south kai cell too?
BroKenSpiRit2011 2 months ago
@BroKenSpiRit2011 Nice. Surprised you picked it up..
iKeywee 2 months ago
i wanna see goku at gym!
hobo88jai 2 months ago
goku is the strongest anime/cartoon character, second is vegeta/gohan...fact
ucantknockthehustle 2 months ago 37
@ucantknockthehustle no he's not. Your a moron.
loverboy6667 2 months ago
@ucantknockthehustle Hell goku isn't even the strongest in dbz. Gohan is stronger than him.
fat buu is stronger.
Super buu is stronger.
Super buu gohan absorbed is stronger.
Kid buu is stronger.
So even off of just dbz goku isn't the strongest.
And then also there are quite a few anime's stronger.
loverboy6667 2 months ago
@loverboy6667 I think he was going by GT logic >.>
thegrayangel95 1 month ago
@loverboy6667 lol
well gohan is stronger but only with full power which he cant reach alone
fat buu just aint stronger
super buu either
Kid buu, well he is but not once goku reaches SS4 in gt :p
and which anime is stronger than dbz ??? which other anime can destroy earth with 1/1000 of his power
SelfMadeHero04 1 month ago
@SelfMadeHero04 Doesn't matter how gohan got the power, gohan is stronger.
Ss3 goku and fat buu are equal strength, But fat buu would win if they just fought, cause buu doesn't run out of energy,
Super buu is stronger than fat buu, there fore super buu is stronger than ss3 goku.
Your a fucking idiot for talking about gt, And ss4 isn't canon.
And haruhi can destroy and rebuild the universe. She's stronger,
It's not about i blow this up, it's about feats.
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@loverboy6667 lol fat buu and ss3 goku are not equal, goku kicked his ass. He just couldnt hold ss3 cuz it shortened his day in life with his friends. Also super buu was weaker than ss3 gotenks and goku is about equal to gotenks maybe just slightly weaker, there fore super buu and goku are about equal.
So ur retarded, also btw i meant that comparing animes is retarded cuz they will never mess and they have completely different sort of strengh. Example gen jutsu in naruto beats all.
SelfMadeHero04 1 month ago
@SelfMadeHero04 1. I watched Fat buu vs ss3 goku, they were pretty well matched up.
Problem is buu doesn't get tired, There for buu wins.
Also where is your proof that ss3 goku and ss3 gotenks are equal? Or Close?
And super buu vs goku again super buu would win, even if they have equal power lvl.
And kid buu still rapes goku.
And comparing anime's is fair.
Cause naruto isn't fast enough to get them in genjutsu.
Also I used people who are stronger than goku, to win my arguement
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@loverboy6667 thats exactly what i meant with u cant compare cuz u say naruto would be too slow to do genjutsu.
the rest i said my opinion, i have mine, u have urs ;)
SelfMadeHero04 1 month ago
@SelfMadeHero04 That makes no sense? Because naruto has a beat all move that is too slow to use, means naruto would lose, There for there is no problem with comparing anime's. You have to use there actual speeds, etc. And then anime's i used are on par in speed with dbz, and have effects that beat dbz so there for dbz loses.
And your opinion doesn't matter, i'm using facts. Opinions don't matter in arguments where facts can be presented. :)
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@loverboy6667 if u speak of facts then goku is naiv and would lose to something like: "look at this"
nough said
SelfMadeHero04 1 month ago
@SelfMadeHero04 then your winning my fight anyway, but look here, doesn't wina fight. genjutsu doesn't kill you, tsukiyomi makes you feel alot of pain, not enough to kill, kakashi was fucked up after it, but goku has been through more pain than itachi could imagine, so goku would be fine through a genjutsu.
but goku isn't the fastest or strongest etc.
he's strong but not unbeatable strong
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@loverboy6667 Goku said even himself he was not trying when he fought fat buu in ssj3 form, so he could have killed fat buu, but he said he wanted the boys to save the earth for once because he's not always going to be there to protect the earth.
mlgprox1 1 month ago
@mlgprox1 Goku said he wasn't fighting as serious, But he could only go ss3 either because he was dead. or he could hold it that long because he was dead.
Remember when he tried again. and couldn't? being dead makes thing easier form a fighting stand point, cause you got basically infinite of your energy.
So him not being dead. he'd of lost easily.
Also no proof he could of killed him, maybe fucked him up. but kill most likely not. it took all the z fighters plus more to kill kid buu
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@SelfMadeHero04 Also super buu held back against gotenks because he was waiting for gohan to get there.
So no proof that gotenks could actually beat a serious super buu.
If you state that goku is the strongest, then you can't get butt hurt that i prove you wrong. I used people who have abilities that beat goku.
Also tenchi muyo and Z could more than likely beat goku
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@loverboy6667 goku ssj4? :D Q_Q goku wins !
kaylocksrv 1 month ago
@kaylocksrv ss4 ss4 isn't canon therefore you can't use it in an argument.
So goku doesn't win. Nice try come again
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@SelfMadeHero04 Also King crimson could possibly beat goku, Or make it so goku couldn't never hurt him, no matter how hard he tried. And Gold experience requiem could beat goku, Or hold him to a complete draw, In which goku could never do anything ever.
loverboy6667 1 month ago
@ucantknockthehustle yea plus his dead he does'nt have to sleep training for 7 years that what i think anyway
aoepanda1980 1 month ago
@aoepanda1980 Yet he still eats.
PainUnbearable 1 month ago
@PainUnbearable well he is a saiyan with big apetite sry wrong spelling
aoepanda1980 1 month ago
@ucantknockthehustle
Only if you're counting GT (I don't.) Gohan was the strongest non-fused being in the universe at the end of Z
Muffinzeshlongun 1 month ago
Guess you haven't seen All Star Superman then...
DOHCEJ22E1 2 weeks ago
@ucantknockthehustle lol Not only are they not the strongest anime/cartoon characters, you don't even have that order correct. By the end of Z, Gohan >>> Goku.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon yes they are & yes goku is stronger than gohan, if you have no proof that gohan was stronger then do not reply back
ucantknockthehustle 2 weeks ago
@ucantknockthehustle lol no. Off the very top of my head, TTGL and Haruhi Suzumiya. I'd be compelled to list more, but I really only need one to prove you wrong.
Also, you have no right to call yourself a fan if you think that Goku was stronger than Gohan. Goku and Vegeta themselves said that they couldn't come out to face Super Buu, because they had no chance against him, the same creature that Mystic Gohan tossed around like a ragdoll earlier on. So no, Mystic Gohan >>>> SSJ3 Goku.
ArcangelParagon 2 weeks ago
@ArcangelParagon Although I suppose since we are talking about animated characters, we would have to count DBGT, in which case, yes, Goku was stronger than Gohan there. But no, they're still not the most powerful animated characters.
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@ArcangelParagon kid buu > super buu & goku was equal to kid buu so goku > gohan...when super buu was transforming into kid buu vegeta says "how can he be increasing instead of decreasing" & supreme kai says that kid buu is stronger than super buu, so therefore goku > gohan, also "off the top of my head" is not proof & websites where fans discuss their opinions is not proof, i want actual quotes from the creator himself, get back to me when you get proof
ucantknockthehustle 2 weeks ago
40 tons as a Super Saiyan equals 0.8 tons in the normal state.
mdudegamer 2 months ago
Dude Goku would beat the hulk purely because of speed, yea Hulk is stronger but the same reason why goku beats hulk is the same reason why superman beats hulk, because of speed. The reason why Superman vs Goku is a much better fight is because Superman can match or even possibly outmatch Goku's speed and strength
mina319 2 months ago
If i try to punch a mosquito in the air with my fist, i will take me forever, i will die first.. lol... Same thing with Hulk and Goku.. In the unlikely scenario that Hulk has more punching power than Goku, at Goku speed Hulk will nvr catch him in a lifetime. Or Goku does a instant transmission with Hulk and throw him in Space, let him suffocate to death.
Alfiz88 2 months ago
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Angelstormblade 2 months ago
welche episode ist das??? o.o
Angelstormblade 2 months ago
@Angelstormblade
habs raus, folge 207
Angelstormblade 2 months ago
There are 14 Papois out there, you know who you are.
AzrielXXI 2 months ago
schooled
NarutoFan123FIGHT 2 months ago
Go at ssj4 can lift waaaay more than that. watch v=L6dzhXS-bZA.
PlatinumDSKing 3 months ago
2:32 GOKU CAN DO MATH!?!?!
Crickmasta 3 months ago in playlist dbz eps. 12
hmmmm how does Goku know that 4X10= 40
Son(Goku) I am impress.
Misame5 3 months ago
40tons 10x gravity.and goku acts like its nothing he could prolly do 5x that at his ssj1 limit.
MrKingPerfect 3 months ago
don't forget gravity. I'm pretty sure the gravity is 10x that of earth, so it would be 400 tons total.
Bboylakorn 3 months ago
@Bboylakorn Let's see... 800,000 pounds, then... I can walk around with ease with about 10 pounds total extra weight on me... meaning that Goku was 80,000 times as strong as me in ssj, multiplied by 5 (assuming I have an average human power level) would leave ssj Goku at a power level of 400,000. . . . Something's wrong here. I'm going to just assume that some inexplicable thing made those circumstances make sense for Goku's power level.
mdudegamer 2 months ago
@mdudegamer yeah power level kinda weird here. But this isn't his max in ssj form anyway. Science/math can't solve DBZ. Great reply though.
Bboylakorn 2 months ago
@mdudegamer friezas base power level was around 1 million in his final form it was much more and ssj goku beat him, so your math or something is a little off ; )
mlgprox1 1 month ago
@mlgprox1 Frieza had a power level of around 1 million in his second form. 100% final form frieza had a power level of around 120 million. Goku had a base power level of 3 million against Frieza. Transforming into a ssj increases a saiyans power 50 fold, making Goku having a power level of around 150 million when he fought Frieza.
asceventura 1 month ago
@asceventura sorry ur math is off, u added an extra 0 to everything
12anpanin 2 weeks ago
@12anpanin It is confirmed that Frieza had a power level of 120 million. It was confirmed that Goku at the start of his fight against Frieza his base power is 3 million. It is confirmed that when a saiyan transforms into a ssj their power increases to 50 fold. 3 million times 50 = 150 million. Where is my math wrong?
asceventura 2 weeks ago
@asceventura you have an extra 0.... 300,000 is his base no 3million
12anpanin 2 weeks ago
@12anpanin His base is 3 million against Frieza.
dragonball(.)wikia(.)com(/)wiki(/)List_of_Power_Levels
I have no idea where you got that his base is 300,000. Do you at least have a source?
asceventura 2 weeks ago
goku is trainng under 10 times gravity.
saiyanspartan117 3 months ago
@roohihi234 goku can destroy planets powering up so he dont need to lift a finger
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SuperSaiyanzGaming 3 months ago
i thought broly destroyed the south quadrant
IRHasDiabetes911 3 months ago
@IRHasDiabetes911 he saved it then broly came and destroyed him and the south quadrant lol
animechats2 3 months ago
@IRHasDiabetes911 Broly movies aren't part of the normal time line, it takes place in an alternate universe
AnIndoneousUsername 3 months ago
@AnIndoneousUsername when you say "alternative universe" im assuming your trying to say its not canon. the entire other world saga wasn't canon either as in it didn't occur in the manga. which means none of the other kais aside from king kai are in it
IRHasDiabetes911 3 months ago
You guys said hulk can destroy planets with a punch. Well goku can destroy planets by only powering up
mexipride016 4 months ago
@mexipride016 other way around hulk can destroy 1 planet with a punch and goku can destroy 5 universes with a punch
roohihi234 4 months ago
HULK SMASH RAAAGHGHGHH
trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
So if hulk gets punched in the head ....well no head ...see vegetation would just blow a whole threw his chest laff and blow up the rest ..like these niggas don't even leave ashes lol ....the fight with the power of a million wars off of skill and speed with power and energy ....hulk got Lil Dick
dragonzer001 4 months ago
Ok 1 goku wins ...2 there are other heroes and villains that can go toe to toe with the hulk for a while even with anger ...3 broly is the hulk on the sayain world and goku found a way to bring him down ...and the nigga didn't die but stopped him 4 a few yrs ...so hulk is from earth goku is from a planet that babies are born 10x gravity ....hulk is deasle Si ....but goku is stronger then gods no exaggeration...if he has the force to blow up a planet he can put all that energy into 1 punch ...end
dragonzer001 4 months ago
And Hulk IS NOT stronger than Goku people. Goku does not have to make direct contact with something to destroy it. You guys are retarded....smh
ligginsron 4 months ago
WTF are you guys talking about??? Hulk isn't anything compared to Goku and Hulk is my favorite Marvel character! Hulk had trouble destroying a tank idiots...Goku has no limits thats how he is always getting stronger and Hulk barely changes. He got his ass whooped by Abomination easily...DONT EVER compare Hulk to Goku again... please and thank u asswipes lol
ligginsron 4 months ago
okay, i dont want to sound like one of those kids.....but whats the song that plays at 3:04?
iPadDexter 4 months ago
goku taught me to train in my video......what a hero!
absoluteabbs 4 months ago
the hulk is gay
OhplsAndrew 4 months ago
Can someone please tell me what exactly "remastered" stands for ?
pokeriotevas 4 months ago
North Kai you bad boy ;p
nobody040 4 months ago
what episode is this?
TheNey7 4 months ago
"Meaning Goku can incinerate the hulk with a kamehameha" no..... just no
trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
loved this scene
zcsman7878 4 months ago
everyone has thei weaknesses :) even hulk or goku :) so stfu
effectk 4 months ago
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trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
That is so funny!
BooBop1987 4 months ago
I wish I was this strong :/
Ryhmproductions 4 months ago
@SoaringNinjaStrike Not at all gottta go with the moves to yo! seen how fast goku can move?
blackice705 4 months ago
what seasion what this in i never saw this seen.
jmpatti55 5 months ago
@SoaringNinjaStrike but goku can shoot kamhameha and blow the hulk up
DragonRumber 5 months ago
PFT I dont have to turn into a ssj just to carry ten tons a peice -.-
sletbrovej 5 months ago
@SoaringNinjaStrike Hmmm just strength versus strength well I guess that Hulk would be able to lift more, but again Goku is farrrrr faster than the hulk meaning the hulk would never be able to land a blow. Also he didn't say he couldn't LIFT 10 tons just he can't do martial arts faster than the human eye with them ;). Hulk can't beat him if he can't hit em.
swordo21 5 months ago
@swordo21 there is no way the hulk is stronger than Goku. depending on how old goku is. maybe the hulk was stronger before goku fought freeza.
jmpatti55 5 months ago
@SoaringNinjaStrike 10 tons to goku in SSJ1 is like 10 lbs to a normal human male. So imagine him going SSJ2 then he could probably easily put 30 tons on each one making it a total of 120 tons. And in SSJ3 he could probably put 60 tons on each making it a total of 240 tons. Plus even though the hulk is strong he isn't anywhere near as fast as Goku and Goku can also use energy blasts. So...nope Goku is still WAY stronger XD
swordo21 5 months ago
@swordo21 what season was this in
jmpatti55 5 months ago
@jmpatti55 pre-Buu saga
swordo21 5 months ago
@swordo21 nothing is stronger than the hulk
trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 LOL xD
MrPokeManiac300 4 months ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 its hard for me to take you serious when you have troll in your name xD
swordo21 4 months ago
@swordo21 goku can hold 240 tonnes at super saiyan three, the hulk held 150,000,000,0 tonnes above his head, goku can blow up the planet with a concentrated beam of energy, the hulk blew up an asteroid twice the size of earth.......with his fucking fist, goku's power cap can constantly be raised with training, the hulk has no cap
hulk would literally bend goku over, and fuck him, he's going to fuck him swordo21, and goku isnt going to enjoy it, not...... one...... bit.....
P.S. run out of cha
trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 provide me evidence that the hulk actually did any of these things. I have yet to heard of the hulk destroying a giant asteroid with his fist or him lifting an object that weighed 1.5 billion tons. By the way you need to learn how to write before replying back to this. Just by screaming (powering up) to SSJ3 Goku shook the entire planet, caused 8.0 earthquakes all over the world, and it wouldn't even take half of his power for him to destroy something twice the size of Earth.
swordo21 4 months ago
@swordo21 maybe youuuuu should learn how to count, it was 150 billion tonnes, not 1.5 LOL (marvel super heroes, secret wars issue 4)
he could destroy somthing twice the size of earth..........just not with a punch
nothing earthly can kill the hulk period, everything that attempts to kill him only makes him stronger
it does'nt matter if goku was a super saiyan 27 and had a power level of a gazzilion,
the hulks power will grow until its a gazillion+1
hulk, bitch
trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
@trollope4lyf you wrote 150,000,000,0....this is the incorrect way of writing a number with commas. It should have read 1,500,000,000. 150 billion would be 150,000,000,000. See the difference between the two? And yes i'm aware of the "the madder the hulk gets, the stronger the hulk gets" thing. But it doesn't make a difference if he is killed before he can even get that angry. For one the hulk would never be able to even touch Goku because of his speed. That whole speed of light thing is a bitch
swordo21 4 months ago 16
@swordo21 only thing that speeds going to be good for is running away like a bitch
nothing kills the hulk, he's the mother fucking hulk, temperatures grater than the sun cant even graze this bitch
the same sun thats burn't up countless dbz enemy characters goku couldnt physically kill with his own power
stop being a faggot, and just enjoy how awesome the hulk is
trollope4lyf2k8 4 months ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 I know the hulk is awesome, and in the Marvel universe he is the strongest there is, but compared to Goku at this time in the DBZ universe he couldn't win a FIGHT. Sure he can lift more, but whoop-de-fuckin-do. As Goku once said, "All this strength means nothing without the speed to back it up." Goku could dodge the hulks attacks until the hulk was so angry his sneezes could destroy worlds, but he still can't hit goku. Meaning Goku can incinerate the hulk with a kamehameha
swordo21 4 months ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 Please, Goku could make the hulk look like a car after it got hit by a bullet train before the hulk even lifts a pinky. Hell, Goku could probably incinerate him in a spirit bomb by the time the hulk actually moves.
NFLMaster09 4 months ago
@NFLMaster09 I dont know, the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets. Goku has his limits. Dunno who would win.
nexivdr 4 months ago
@nexivdr yes but goku would dominate before the hulk could reach far past gokus limits
saiyanspartan117 4 months ago