@benthejrporter The question is did he get sued for saying "I think there are other alternatives." or for saying "No, they're lying crooks". You see, if he is disagreeing with them, it is opinion, if he is claiming they're wrong & he can't prove it, then he is affecting their income. And while I agree that he should be allowed to speak his mind, I already know I disagree with his biased views, & have seen him be defamatory and somewhat misinformed on matters. The price for opening ones mouth.
Anyone who supports or upholds laws that force people into prison against their will just because they don't have the money had better be prepared to be killed for their stupid cause.
It's Europe, not USA. Europeans preach all this anti-violence bullshit. So then, don't go to court. Ignore the lawsuit. If they don't like it, then they will be forced to used violence against you.
Ignore the lawsuit. You have freedom of speech. Tell them they have freedom of speech to threaten to put you into prison, but they do not have the right to physically do it.
If anyone dares to kidnap and drag you to court against your will,
@synsei1 Yes. He did win. The cost of WINNING was about two hundred thousand pounds.
Let me say that again - Rath sued Goldacre. Goldacre spent ~£500,000 defending himself. He WON. Rath paid Goldacre ~ £300,000 towards his costs. Result: successfully winning the case COST Goldacre more than my three bedroomed detached house with garage cost me.
I can understand entirely how you might not get that on first or even second attempt. It makes NO sense. Which is kind of the point.
@SonOfRojBlake Thanks for your response. Why did you assume I didn't understand that the first time someone replied to me? I'm glad reason won against magical thinking. I also watched other videos since then where he explained how these libel court cases can cost you the price of a nice house, even if you win... Or was it Simon Singh v/s british chiropractors association? I'm aware of the iniquitous libel laws in UK, and I was aware Bandershot is a lying douchebag to begin with.
My friends and I were quite thankful to a local CFI group that sponsered a symposium with Ben Goldacre. Ben is definitely a wonderful and necessary opponent to the quackery that our families and friends face when it comes to making decision about our health and well-being. Ben is an ally to reason and to humanity as a whole. Thanks for sharing this vid.
Isn't it reasonable to say that - even with legal aid - that even criminal law tends to favour those with deep pockets?
In an adversarial legal system where neither side has any interest in the truth, merely in proving their side... and where lawyers are so incredibly expensive to the average person - it's very clear that the system is fundamentally flawed and that as the world becomes more litigious, justice will become the preserve of the wealthy. Or at least the ability to afford it.
The quack also killed a boy in germany by telling the family his vitamin pills would cure his cancer.The boy died of a tumor the size of a football in his stomach i think
Next time one of these charlatons makes absurd claims, we ought to organise a mass-libel, so thousands of us libel the scumbag in public at the same time, so they couldn't practically sue all of us. We can force this stupid libel stitch-up to collapse under it's own weight.
@benthejrporter The question is did he get sued for saying "I think there are other alternatives." or for saying "No, they're lying crooks". You see, if he is disagreeing with them, it is opinion, if he is claiming they're wrong & he can't prove it, then he is affecting their income. And while I agree that he should be allowed to speak his mind, I already know I disagree with his biased views, & have seen him be defamatory and somewhat misinformed on matters. The price for opening ones mouth.
TxSonofLiberty 1 month ago
Anyone who supports or upholds laws that force people into prison against their will just because they don't have the money had better be prepared to be killed for their stupid cause.
It's Europe, not USA. Europeans preach all this anti-violence bullshit. So then, don't go to court. Ignore the lawsuit. If they don't like it, then they will be forced to used violence against you.
mphello 3 months ago
Ignore the lawsuit. You have freedom of speech. Tell them they have freedom of speech to threaten to put you into prison, but they do not have the right to physically do it.
If anyone dares to kidnap and drag you to court against your will,
get a bomb and blow them up. War is justified.
mphello 3 months ago
buy Ben a lager dot com
ShootingCans 3 months ago
So, did he win ? (My audio sucks and I don't understand English so well.)
I just read comments from John Benneth aka Bandershot saying "Why can't you win a court case?"
synsei1 5 months ago
@synsei1 Yes he won.
sakkarinahp 5 months ago
@synsei1 Yes. He did win. The cost of WINNING was about two hundred thousand pounds.
Let me say that again - Rath sued Goldacre. Goldacre spent ~£500,000 defending himself. He WON. Rath paid Goldacre ~ £300,000 towards his costs. Result: successfully winning the case COST Goldacre more than my three bedroomed detached house with garage cost me.
I can understand entirely how you might not get that on first or even second attempt. It makes NO sense. Which is kind of the point.
SonOfRojBlake 3 months ago
@SonOfRojBlake Thanks for your response. Why did you assume I didn't understand that the first time someone replied to me? I'm glad reason won against magical thinking. I also watched other videos since then where he explained how these libel court cases can cost you the price of a nice house, even if you win... Or was it Simon Singh v/s british chiropractors association? I'm aware of the iniquitous libel laws in UK, and I was aware Bandershot is a lying douchebag to begin with.
synsei1 3 months ago
@synsei1 Oh, sorry, didn't realise someone had already replied. My apologies.
SonOfRojBlake 3 months ago
My friends and I were quite thankful to a local CFI group that sponsered a symposium with Ben Goldacre. Ben is definitely a wonderful and necessary opponent to the quackery that our families and friends face when it comes to making decision about our health and well-being. Ben is an ally to reason and to humanity as a whole. Thanks for sharing this vid.
thedeeliciousplum 6 months ago
Whatever your views are on this subject nobody should get sued for expressing an opinion.
benthejrporter 9 months ago
keep up the good work.
KOGR11 9 months ago
Isn't it reasonable to say that - even with legal aid - that even criminal law tends to favour those with deep pockets?
In an adversarial legal system where neither side has any interest in the truth, merely in proving their side... and where lawyers are so incredibly expensive to the average person - it's very clear that the system is fundamentally flawed and that as the world becomes more litigious, justice will become the preserve of the wealthy. Or at least the ability to afford it.
ProphetTenebrae 1 year ago 2
The quack also killed a boy in germany by telling the family his vitamin pills would cure his cancer.The boy died of a tumor the size of a football in his stomach i think
Hades2004 1 year ago
i met him after a gcse science lecture... i was literally star-struck! Genius... <3
ThePrudle 1 year ago
Ben Goldacre is what it means to be a hero. If only I could meet that man one day so as to buy him a drink!
Joe22c 1 year ago 30
Next time one of these charlatons makes absurd claims, we ought to organise a mass-libel, so thousands of us libel the scumbag in public at the same time, so they couldn't practically sue all of us. We can force this stupid libel stitch-up to collapse under it's own weight.
alien8ted 1 year ago 12
@alien8ted
There's just one fatal flaw with this idea. It's not libel if it's the truth.
elementc 11 months ago
Well said.
PS Loving the open Carlsberg can on the side.
bogFot 1 year ago 2
That is disgraceful. When the truth is not a free defense in Law then there is no defense!
ollyinatipi 1 year ago