Seems like a nice celebration. I do wish they would not refer to it as the Spanish Heritage Festival since it has nothing to do with the Spanish. It's rooted in the Amerindian and African cultures of South America and not Spanish culture i.e from Spain.
I'm sure it's a beautiful festival, but I do wish that credit be given to the true roots of this festival and not their colonial masters.
Remember, the cocoa panyols were not of Spanish descent, they were of Amerindian and African heritage.
@jtower69 They were of partial spanish decent as well but they came across from venezuela. Our parang is similar to the "la parranda" music of east venezuela
There is no evidence of this mythical partial heritage. This does not relate or resemble anything in the Spanish culture . I'm sorry but that is no relation ...nor do the festivities relate to anything from Spain.
Similarities to things Venezuelan is just that...Venezuelan. The Europeans(Spanish) did have some influence in Latin America...however this does not fall under that influence culturally. Simply put, this is not Spanish culture, nor the culture of Spain.
My aim is not to discredit you. It is neither aimed at putting words in your mouth, please note that. I'm simply stating that the idea of (most)Latin Americans being part Spanish is for the most part a myth in order to make themselves feel less inferior to their former European colonial master, the Spanish. One must remember that they were enslaved and abused both physically and mentally. Being closer to the 'Master' may just be comforting, even if it's not true.
@jtower69 But you can tell just by looking at most venezuelans that they are partially european. I know what indigenous people look like and they are only partially indigenous. They tend to be spanish-amerindian, portuguese mix, italian mix, spanish-negro. I went to the venezuelan embassy for several years, I have been to vzla and I've seen what they look like. There are many in Trinidad. I've seen loads of white looking venezuelans
@cagelsthrough Yes there are white(Spanish/Port/Germ etc) Venezuelans, since there are many people of different ethnic backgrounds living in Venezuela and many other countries in the world. Most Venezuelans are Amerindian. Please note that having lighter skin does not make one European since many Amerindians have light skin, one just needs to remember that they are genetically Asian, and we can both agree that the Chinese have light skin but are not European.
@jtower69 Sorry. Most venezuelans look PART amerindian. Pure amerindians are slightly asiatic looking and that's not how most of them appear. I have met loads of venezuelans and none looked pure indigenous to me. I remember seeing some pure ones selling in Caracas though
@cagelsthrough You seem to be quite confused about race. Dressing an Amerindian up, educating him and moving him to the city does nothing to change his race, yet he moves from Amerindian to mestizo. There are many articles on this. Most Venezuelans ARE Amerindian, similar to most other Latin American countries, minus Uruguay and Argentina. I would love to know how these people look part European to you, and if your answer is simply based on skin color,then I advise you to better educate yourself
@cagelsthrough With all due respect, it's pointless to discuss this since you seem to have a pre-conceived notion on race, and I mean no insult, but your lack of knowledge when it comes to race is simply making the discussion without merit. Amerindians don't look slightly 'asiatic',they are 'asiatic'. Just like Caucasians, where features and skin color vary enough to look different,yet not enough to make them alien,Asians are no different. The sky can't turn blue even if you keep calling it red.
@cagelsthrough Based on your logic, then you might think that George Lopez and Riki Martin can be brothers? Even though one is Amerindian and one is European, simply because they both speak Spanish? Cocoa Panyols do not look part European(for the most part), Amerindians have lighter skin than Africans, and mixing will lead to an obvious combination of features such as the lightening of the skin and the softening of the hair. do not mistake this for obvious European features.
@cagelsthrough Am I saying that there are no mixed people in Venezuela? No i am not. Venezuela boasts many ethnic backgrounds, and during the time of Cocoa Panyol migration , to now, the Venezuelan demographic has changed considerably. When they moved to Trinidad there was much less racial mixing between Europeans and non Europeans than there is now. They are not Spanish(part) nor are most Venezuelans. Again, features determine race, not skin colour. It's time to leave 'Massa' out of this.
Seems like a nice celebration. I do wish they would not refer to it as the Spanish Heritage Festival since it has nothing to do with the Spanish. It's rooted in the Amerindian and African cultures of South America and not Spanish culture i.e from Spain.
I'm sure it's a beautiful festival, but I do wish that credit be given to the true roots of this festival and not their colonial masters.
Remember, the cocoa panyols were not of Spanish descent, they were of Amerindian and African heritage.
jtower69 1 year ago
@jtower69 They were of partial spanish decent as well but they came across from venezuela. Our parang is similar to the "la parranda" music of east venezuela
MerchantofTarshish 7 months ago
@MerchantofTarshish
There is no evidence of this mythical partial heritage. This does not relate or resemble anything in the Spanish culture . I'm sorry but that is no relation ...nor do the festivities relate to anything from Spain.
Similarities to things Venezuelan is just that...Venezuelan. The Europeans(Spanish) did have some influence in Latin America...however this does not fall under that influence culturally. Simply put, this is not Spanish culture, nor the culture of Spain.
jtower69 7 months ago
@MerchantofTarshish
My aim is not to discredit you. It is neither aimed at putting words in your mouth, please note that. I'm simply stating that the idea of (most)Latin Americans being part Spanish is for the most part a myth in order to make themselves feel less inferior to their former European colonial master, the Spanish. One must remember that they were enslaved and abused both physically and mentally. Being closer to the 'Master' may just be comforting, even if it's not true.
jtower69 7 months ago
@jtower69 But you can tell just by looking at most venezuelans that they are partially european. I know what indigenous people look like and they are only partially indigenous. They tend to be spanish-amerindian, portuguese mix, italian mix, spanish-negro. I went to the venezuelan embassy for several years, I have been to vzla and I've seen what they look like. There are many in Trinidad. I've seen loads of white looking venezuelans
cagelsthrough 7 months ago
@cagelsthrough Yes there are white(Spanish/Port/Germ etc) Venezuelans, since there are many people of different ethnic backgrounds living in Venezuela and many other countries in the world. Most Venezuelans are Amerindian. Please note that having lighter skin does not make one European since many Amerindians have light skin, one just needs to remember that they are genetically Asian, and we can both agree that the Chinese have light skin but are not European.
jtower69 7 months ago
@jtower69 Sorry. Most venezuelans look PART amerindian. Pure amerindians are slightly asiatic looking and that's not how most of them appear. I have met loads of venezuelans and none looked pure indigenous to me. I remember seeing some pure ones selling in Caracas though
cagelsthrough 7 months ago
@cagelsthrough You seem to be quite confused about race. Dressing an Amerindian up, educating him and moving him to the city does nothing to change his race, yet he moves from Amerindian to mestizo. There are many articles on this. Most Venezuelans ARE Amerindian, similar to most other Latin American countries, minus Uruguay and Argentina. I would love to know how these people look part European to you, and if your answer is simply based on skin color,then I advise you to better educate yourself
jtower69 7 months ago
@cagelsthrough With all due respect, it's pointless to discuss this since you seem to have a pre-conceived notion on race, and I mean no insult, but your lack of knowledge when it comes to race is simply making the discussion without merit. Amerindians don't look slightly 'asiatic',they are 'asiatic'. Just like Caucasians, where features and skin color vary enough to look different,yet not enough to make them alien,Asians are no different. The sky can't turn blue even if you keep calling it red.
jtower69 7 months ago
@cagelsthrough Based on your logic, then you might think that George Lopez and Riki Martin can be brothers? Even though one is Amerindian and one is European, simply because they both speak Spanish? Cocoa Panyols do not look part European(for the most part), Amerindians have lighter skin than Africans, and mixing will lead to an obvious combination of features such as the lightening of the skin and the softening of the hair. do not mistake this for obvious European features.
jtower69 7 months ago
@cagelsthrough Am I saying that there are no mixed people in Venezuela? No i am not. Venezuela boasts many ethnic backgrounds, and during the time of Cocoa Panyol migration , to now, the Venezuelan demographic has changed considerably. When they moved to Trinidad there was much less racial mixing between Europeans and non Europeans than there is now. They are not Spanish(part) nor are most Venezuelans. Again, features determine race, not skin colour. It's time to leave 'Massa' out of this.
jtower69 7 months ago
the lead singer for valley boys parang group is paul hernandez
mikl98 1 year ago
nice
noirrosa 1 year ago