Please watch my story "TIFFANY LEBOUEF SEEKS JUSTICE" They hid my only evidence and lied about it then they made me "TAKE THE DEAL" or go to Prison for 9 + yrs. This is crazy stuff. They have given me 2 strikes and one more brush with the law of any kind will send me to "PRISON FOR LIFE"..... HELP MEEEEEEEE!
I have documents to PROVE my innocence but no one will even look at it. What is going on with this country???
yes but what constitutes probable cause is vague and misleading like the lawyer said if a cop just suspects something and suspicion is and opinion so it can't be disproved.
@morphyis: The officer still has to articulate facts that a reasonable person would construe as reasonable and articulable suspicion, before the stop.
FourthAmendment(dot)com has many cases where officers lost in court.
For example, officers allegedly stopped a car because of a very slightly cracked windshield, but the judge didn't believe them, and suppressed evidence of a gun possessed by a convicted felon.
thank you for showing criminal how to avoid a cop, yea a cop is bad until something bad happens to you and you call 911 and they save your ass right.. why not show id if you have nothing to hide?
The lawyer was incorrect when he said, "If there's no probable cause then the law enforcement officer does not have the right to stop you."
The LEO only needs reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement to stop you—Terry v. Ohio (S.Ct); that's a lower standard than probable cause.
Furthermore, if the state has a stop-and-ID law requiring such suspicion AND the officer has such suspicion, then you CAN be punished for failing to identify yourself. Hiibel v. Nevada (S.Ct.)
The municipal laws apply to us humans the admiral laws apply to business; if you get pulled over and you have no I.D and no insurance,and no license plates,you have NOT broken no municipal law ordinances.If you are a truck driver that is working ON THE JOB and you do get caught in that situation,well guess what buddy?Yeap you sure are going to get ticketed and arrested for violating maritime laws.Why these laws operate in the fashion at which the way they do would be another topic to talk about.
@larrytoland: Although all states require drivers to show their license to LEOs on demand, it is nevertheless illegal for LEOs to stop vehicles in the first place unless they have at least reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal activity. And if they do stop you without such suspicion, that is a violation of your constitutional rights so any evidence against you (such as refusing to show your license) cannot be used in a court of law. That may tick a LEO off, but you may get a 1983 suit
@Vegasgodless Refusing to show your i.d. is not probable cause. Probabable cause means that the cop has to believe that you have commited a crime or are commiting a crime. Refusing to show i.d. is not a crime.
@Scootertuner1000 Refusing anything to a pig, can be construed as a probable cause. Because the term is so vague, it has no clear definition of what constitutes a probable cause. A friend of mine, not driving, refused to show his ID, He got thrown in the slammer, I have also been harassed when I denied a cop to search my persona. this is after I showed the fucking pig my ID. He wanted to search my bag as well. He did by force!
@Vegasgodless You're right. Of course, when it comes to court it can be thrown out, if you can prove it. That's the caveat though. Unless you have proof, they'll always believe a cop over a civilian.
@Vegasgodless: "Probable cause" means "probable cause of involvement in criminal activity", not "probable cause of unusual activity".
Exercising one's constitutional rights, in the absence of any other facts indicative of criminal involvement is NEVER probable cause, or even reasonable suspicion.
@DavidForthoffer Tell that to the pig, who suspects you in the first place, you've got no rights under their eyes, views, or the streets. The pig is the law, with that they constitute any action as lawful, even if you deem it unconstitutional or not. the pig exercises totalitarian power over you depending on your financial status, they don't give a shit about you, or what rights you may have, if they obviously know that you can't afford to even make a civil case against him/her.
@Vegasgodless: Video recordings of abusive police behavior can be a major factor, if the video is preserved. See qik(dot)com. Or audio recordings; see porcupine411(dot)com.
@Vegasgodless: Fortunately, all the U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeals that have ruled on the issue agree that we have a First Amendment right to videotape government officials (including police officers) engaged in their duties in a public place. So while some states may try to pass laws against that, we at least have the U.S. Constitution and higher courts on our side.
@DavidForthoffer Nice, however @ the moment, when in the streets filming the fucking pigs, they will harass you, may even arrest you, or deny the law all together, or the pig may say that you need his permission to record him. Look for a video here on YT.Cop goes crazy after new crew stopped to film an accident on the freeway. It happened in El Paso Texas, I used to live there; anyhow the cop arrests a news person for filming!
what happens if you refuse a search of your car and the cops want to get a warrant. Do you have to stay there and wait for them to come with a warrant or will they tow the car to the police station and wait for the warrant there?.....how does that work?
@inkey2 A pig can search your car on the spot! if you ask for a warrant, that gives him "probable cause" excluding the right of warrant, your rights are thrown out the window, just cause of "probable cause" If you refuse search, that is "probable cause" if you say your rights are been violated! That is probable cause! THE POINT IS! you HAVE NO RIGHTS!!
@Vegasgodless said: "you refuse search, that is "probable cause"
Probable cause to what, search your vehicle?
Not legally they can't.
"a defendant's refusal to consent to search cannot establish probable cause to search. ... Indeed, the Fourth Amendment would mean little if officers could manufacture probable cause by asking questions until a suspect either consents or exercises constitutional rights. "
A cop asking for ID is just a way to contract. If you supply him with such he has contracted you. This has nothing to do with search and siezure as suggested by this attorney. Attorneys belong to the BAR... that is British Accredited Registry. They have a sworn oath to the queen of England (in Canada, US, Australia, etc.). This is just a lie. If there is no breech of the peace the police have no jurisdiction. Learn how to handle in a peaceful manner watch: Ben Lowrey, Dean Clifford, Gordon Hall
If you "open carry" a firearm, even in Oregon, Washington or Texas, and you are stopped, you should as a decent citizen give the officer(s) you ID. Common sense would inform this, period.
@roldans99 If you open carry in Texas you better be on your own property, at your business or commissioned by the state to carry for duty. Texas is one of the worst states for open carry freedom. You bet you're going to be stopped in Texas - it's against the law.
If you don't have it recorded, *all* cops will make up crap to justify what they did after the fact. "He was acting suspicious" is all they need to claim "probable cause". This standard is so lax, that even if your rights are violated on film, it can be argued that the cop thought it was suspicious behavior, and he'll never be held accountable.
youtube dean clifford, teaching people their laws and rights shifting the power back to the people cop bully and lie b/c nobody knows their rights and how to present them in court. gov under the PEOPLE
@jaraandrew100 seriously? you're a good little slave aren't you? you, and everyone like you (pussy little bitches) are the reason police do everything wrong in the first place. you consent to everything and give in. you're a fucking child who needs the guidance of the government to survive. you have to understand, not everyone is a willing slave like you.
omg just give the cop your ID. if your not doing anything wrong who gives a fuck. if the cop is being an asshole fine (and nothing excuses behavior like that afterwards from cops) but just give him your ID. pissing off anyone just to piss them off makes you the asshole (again though cops shouldnt abuse their power either). just cooperate people.
the only way youd be able to refuse a search is if they dont tell you what there reason is. but an officer can say any hing-ding reason for probably. it could be they smelled drugs or alcohol. it could be they say the saw a passenger rustling around in the back. it could be anything. there is no way around it. you can give a cop as much crap as you want. it wont work unless he refuses to give a cause.
@bakerpd4: Officers can usually search an automobile without the driver's consent if they have probable cause. However the fact that you refused consent still matters in court.
@Pafoofnik1 are you dumb. thats what i said in the first place...the only way is if they dont provide a cause. learn to read a comment before replying to it.
@doluseb: I doubt it. The courts have found that probable cause us needed for most vehicle searches. The government rarely, if ever, has the ability to circumvent court rulings on constitutional issues.
Attorneys are for those who are not competent to handle their own affairs. What some have done is to take the presentment, turn it clockwise so the right hand margin is now the bottom and print in blue ink in the margin: "This statute does not apply." Your writing on the instrument deposits your DNA and is proof that you are a living man. Statutes only apply to 'persons'. Persons are a fictional.legalistic entity without substance. Look it up. Go ahead. I'll wait..
So if a cop arbitrarily determines that a crime is being committed is he not making a legal determination? And is thus not practicing law without a license? And if not, how is it NOT practicing law without a license when that is the very definition of practicing law without a license? That's exactly what it is. That's how I see it.
One certainly is NOT obliged to talk to police AFTER arrest without an attorney. By the same token then, one is most certainly NOT obliged to talk to police BEFORE arrest either. Would this also not apply in a routine traffic stop? You've NOT yet been arrested and pulling over and stopping would imply that you intend on talking to the police, yet at that time you've not been arrested therefore, one is NOT obliged to pull over and stop when someone behind you flips on the gay disco lights.
I have been stopped by police 3 times in San Diego for walking to fast, the reason i was given was because I looked high, I have long legs and I walk fast, I always have.
Probable cause...A cop with a gun can make up any kind of bogus "probable cause" for doing so, and you had better comply with ANY "request" he makes...I agree with the guy who says you should carry a camera to protect your rights...
Yes I agree as well..the cops can lie and say you were speeding even when you clearly was not...the judge works with the cops and will believe them...COPS MAKE UP PROBABLE CAUSE ALL THE TIME.
i was hoping u would ask him this situation "im pulled over for tail gating trying 2 switch lanes on an messed up highway but anyways im pulled over for a traffic violation the cop is a narc officer so he asked to search my car he prides himself with as many clean searches as possibly and pleases his boss all b.s but nothing illegal so i let him. but point bing if u are stop fro a traffic violation is that enough probable cause or does that probable cause have to be related to a crime"?
probable cause is suspicion if they suspect somthing they can get you serch ur car or ask for id lots of people dont know that. If i suspect you are driving drunk ur involved in a crime they can ask you for id or lock you up
The police will MAKE UP PROBABLE CAUSE when pulled over just keep in mind that you are not required to talk to the police at all.other than giving them your drivers license.
If a cop asks U 4 ID and U run away, THAT IS PROBABLE CAUSE to arrest U. They have the legal right to hold U in jail for up to 72 hours without charging U for "investigative purposes". This is the law of the land.
@MizzYungMacMar Yes according to the lawyer, the cop must state what his probable cause is. Or you could just mace a guy in the face out of a sense of entitlement. Their seems to be a disconnect between the law, and law enforcement training. Personally i am willing to show my id to avoid mace,but will not consent to a search, we all have different boundary's.
@emorph bottle of jack: probable cause due to age restrictions on purchase of alcohol
Checking into a flight: probable cause due to potential for terrorist or fugitive to try and board a plane with intent to attack or flea the country
Asking for ID from a irrelevant source (car passenger) is just moronic.
illegal immigrants try the "I have rights" or "profiling" bs all the time and the ACLU backs them up. they apparently have more rights and freedom than Americans
VERY SOON will will have no rights at all and the police will be able to arrest anyone they choose and throw them into a FEMA camp and label them a domestic terrorist
(Cont'd) So the standard for affecting a stop (traffic/terry) is reasonable suspicion; not probable cause. PC=full blown search and/or seizure. Put another way, a motorist is parallel parked on the side of a road & when he sees a cop cruise by, he makes eye contact with said cop. In reaction to the cop's presence, the motorist throws his vehicle into gear & pulls quickly into an alley out of view of the street he was parked on. Enough for a full blown search/seizure? No. Traffic stop? Yes.
Terry v. Ohio: the Supreme Court recognized not all interactions between police & citizens involve intrusions serious enough to trigger the full probable cause standard. As a result, the Court delineated a specific, narrowly applicable exception to the general rule. The Court held in situations where the police have specific & articulable grounds that provide them with reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot, they may briefly detain an individual for the purposes of investigation.
A passenger pays for a ride, you can have a guest in your automobile. Have people tried to tell the officer that they are not making use of their license. Doctors are not making use of their license when they are eating at taco bell. Why don't any of you ask these lawyers about legal terms like driver v traveler. Automobile v motor vehicle. Traffic v going across town. Quit using the term driving if you ar not doing it. How about faking laryngitis and hand him a note that he can see you writing.
The real question should be if the road nazi has the authority and jurisdiction to stop you period, unless a crime has been committed, you are endangering others on the road, or the pirate has reason to believe you are driving, (commercial term) for compensation vs traveling in your private use vessel.
@meadowlark52 your correct,it has saved mt rights to,how sad the so called authority needs to see a camera in order to assure you your rights.im in the process of figuring out how to record without holding the camera in there face.
you should pay closer attention before calling someone a dumbass and making yourself look like one, the attorney did bring up reasonable suspicion, When discussing exigent circumstances.
This guy is a dumbass. An officer doesn't need probable cause to stop you, all they need is "reasonable suspicion" (much less of a standard). You might want to interview a lawyer that knows what the hell he is talking about.
@DaxSummers234 Let me clarify, the lawyer is a dumbass for saying that the cops need PC to stop you and thats simply not the case. Get a more knowledgable lawyer to answer questions correctly.
I just moved out of that shithole Long Beach, Calif...got pulled over by this pig for "tinted windows" and the tint was just a medium darkness....like 90% of the population has. He asked for the ID of the 2 other people in my car...and Im a 50 yr old businessman, white. The other 2 gents with me, same profile. Obviously not up to anything shady at all...this pig was just a fucking asshole. So did he have the right to ask for the ID of my friends?
I have been pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation and say "I smell marijuana" when i rolled down the windows even though I don't smoke marijuana. Which gave him probable cause.
Let me understand what you are saying . You think you can use this same line of thinking anywhere in the U.S. Is that what you are saying. Don't come to Detroit. The cops here are the best
ha,a cop can manufacture a probable cause!He'll trick or intimidate you into giving consent to search,they arrest you for making them mad by asking questions.your rights mean nothing until you get in front of the judge,.by then you'll have an arrest record.Whenever they get pissed they'll charge you with anything they want. Best thing is just to ask for a lawyer.
This is the whole problem with the law. It is ambiguously written in black and white. The cops can do what ever they want, just depends on how they write the report. Thats why we need the camera and thats also why they came out with the law that forbids taping without informing the person being tapped...
Shit I was 15 on a trip to Mexico wen I was arrested by Mexican police for being a northern Mexican ( Mexican American) then I was released and I had to walk about two miles to my cuzins house through some cartel active territory ........scary ass fuck !!!!
ok I need some help on this...me and my friend were driving around smoking weed, he gets pulled over for not having a front licence plate (sitting on his windshield) the cop take him out searches me, yanks me out of the car searches me and takes my weed. any way to get out of my ticket? Im wondering if theres a law saying somthing like he didnt find what he pulled us over for or anything like that
Also a person is obligated to identify himself, whether by i.d. or verbally only when he is no longer able to freely leave, he must be detained, not necesarrilly under arrest, usually at the reasonable suspicion level all the way to the probable cause level. A person can always deny a search and refuse consent, but if probable cause exists then the search will happen with or without consent.
first, I am not from Ohio, but the lawyer was wrong on a couple of things in my opinion and experience. One being that probable cause has to exist, this is not exactly true. Example a driver of a vehicle swerving inside of his own lane can be stopped on "Reasonable Suspicion" even though an actual offense of the law was not broken, but only briefly to determine if the driver is impaired in some way.
I stand corrected, cannot find a federal statue, But did locate the the Suprime Court Case, Hiibel V. 6th Judical Court of Nevada that compelling someone to identify themselves is not a violation of their 4th Amendment rights. And as in the Ohio law you still hold your 5th Amendment rights as you cannot be compelled to provide your DOB if this will incriminate yourself. I was wrong, I'm sorry, please do not hold this against me. HA ! Sorry I read so much that it all runs together sometimes.
Can't find the Federal Code, The Ohio Code that mirrors it is ORC # 2921.29, "Failure to Disclose Personal Information" This law was enacted in April of 2006. You are correct that the Police must have Reasonable Suspicion, that the person has committed/will commit/witnessed a crime. But it also in subsection C it does compell you to provide your name/dob/address. DOB need not be provided if the officer is investigating a crime that is/could be age related. ie:underage drinking.
There is a federal law enacted after 9/11. If you refuse to identify yourself, you can be arrested and detained. If you have nothing to hide whats the issue ?
@Pafoofnik1 No, as I stated there is a federal law on the books not that you have to identify yourself, not under suspicion of criminal activity. And you are correct in that it can be verbal, but then it has to be verified.
Please quote and cite this federal law you say exists; the one that requires me to produce ID on demand and allows an arrest based only on my failure to produce tangible proof of my ID.
Dollars to donuts says you can't find it, or fins something that doesn't say this at all.
place the H in front of TTPS...its the only way I could get it to post, its the link for the petition for openly filming public officers so you dont get arrested.
Sometimes you can get away easily by cooperating with them even if they do not have any probably cause. I was pulled over in Mass. last year by an undercover cop. He lied to my face telling me that I had gone into the wrong side of the road (not wrong turning lane wrong side of the street) I told him that I never did such a thing and gave him my info. I almost got my whole car searched but didn't because I just went along with it. Funny part is I had marijuana on me and was stoned out of mygourd
see, lawyers know the law, and they know what your rights are in a situation with a cop, but that won't prevent the cop from just murdering you right there with his gun.
I never stopped any vehicles without probable cause and I never asked a consent to search the vehicle without probable cause. However, the court gave an officer lots of freedom on a reasonable probable cause.
Produce your ID smile , say thank you , have a nice day , and continue in your way muttering under your breath "dirty goddam motherfucken son of a cocksucking bitch whore cop cunt .
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here's the deal... if you have a camera pointed at the officer, you don't have to show ID. if you're alone with just you and the cop... show ID or they will mess your life up. that's the reality these days.
In this case it will also determine the state that you are in. In Texas all person in a car must provide ID to the police officer if asked by the cop . Granted the officer does still need PC to stop you. But what ever the reason you where stopped that is his PC and everone in the car must produce ID or they can get arrested and charged with faiure to ID to a Police Officer. Its works the same as the law with the seatbelts..
Well how in the hell is someone supposed to know what the officer has determined as constituting a probable cause? Also, the lawyer never clarifies whether or not Police are required to provide verbally the probable cause for their arrest or interrogation. We need to know this.
Slightly misrepresented opinion is you don't have the right to refuse if you're involved in a crime, might suggest that if you arent involved you do have the right. It boils down to the officers observations and what a reasable officer would do in a similar situation. If the officer is able to articulate a reason for the stop and probable cause for the search he's in a pretty good position. You don't have the right to refuse regardless. Interesting issue love to debate it... Thanks for the Video
The officer has to articulate a reason for the stop... He does not have to produce probable cause for a simple traffic stop. there is a difference to say other wise is not correct.
@wisemanchamp Indeed! And what we really need to know is if the officer is required to provide, indicate or convey his/her probable cause for search, confiscation or arrest to you if you ask or before doing this. The lawyer says "legally he should be giving you the reason." This is quite equivocal. He doesn't clarify this.
The video is correct. A state police officer cannot search your car without probable cause. However, a FEDERAL officer can search your vehicle with or without cause.
@dciguy01 That, along with other info does work in court, but it depends on the state, area and particular judge. Some judges are more fair than others. More and more the judges are being taught that the people are waking up and learning the law and the real truth of it and are countering it or simply ignoring any jurisdictional arguments and trying the facts of the case anyway which is against the law until jurisdiction has been settled.Just because courts ignore it, it's still CRITICAL to KNOW
WE HAVE A CORRUPT POLICE AND COURT SYSTEM TODAY. My uncle was a judge--a conservative constitutionalist judge and now he is dead. About two decades ago he was known as one who ruled by the constitution rather than legislate from the bench. I miss him.
Cops rarely enforce the law.. they enforce Polices.. that's why they're called "PolicY(E) officers, because they enforce POLICE-IES..not laws!! They enforce rules and regulations that are really policies operating under Color of law or pretense of law and are NOT in fact laws. NO traffic violations are truly laws because under the Constitution, only if their is an actual injured party is there a broken law. Driving without a license, speeding, running a red light is NOT against the real LAW.
You've asked a member of a "society"mr lowe and he goes ahead and mentions statutes/acts as if they hold actual power over the people.All he's done is exactly what we see all members of his "society"(the BAR)judges/lawyers etc etc ))do and that's state that his "societies" rules can be applied to those outside of his "society"
Differentiate between "driving" and "traveling" -one is earning on the public roads,the other isn't -Licence -no licence.
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You don't have to show an ID unless there is probable cause, but you do get to go to jail with lumps on your head and perhaps more if it is Mississippi.
The truth is, police think they are the law and don't have to follow it themselves. Suspicion is a vague term that can can be argued. Why do people have to be assholes to execute their rights?
@playtime914 Fighting for freedom is not easy man. Being a dick and possibly risking being underarrest I guess is part of it. There are people being shot at by their own police for protesting inhumen conditions. Something like:
Protestor: I want a better life
Cop: Fuck you *gunshot*
Bottom line: It does suck that this is how majority of cops are but none of us make the rules. May sound trite but fight for your rights. If not better for you better for all of us in the end.
@mattgoodnuts Name a SINGLE account of this happening? An American officer of the law shooting a citizen for saying "I want a better life" while being a law abiding citizen?
@playtime914 well said but that's not what the truth is.. truth is we "allow" them not to follow the law. we give them a "right" that they don't have because we want to be "good shepherds". Lol
suspicion is probable cause, if you are suspicious they can search you, and suspicion is hard to define. so if you get stopped just follow directions and dont be an asshole, being a cop is a hard enough job without douchebags making it worse
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Please watch my story "TIFFANY LEBOUEF SEEKS JUSTICE" They hid my only evidence and lied about it then they made me "TAKE THE DEAL" or go to Prison for 9 + yrs. This is crazy stuff. They have given me 2 strikes and one more brush with the law of any kind will send me to "PRISON FOR LIFE"..... HELP MEEEEEEEE!
I have documents to PROVE my innocence but no one will even look at it. What is going on with this country???
joanarc1111 6 hours ago
yes but what constitutes probable cause is vague and misleading like the lawyer said if a cop just suspects something and suspicion is and opinion so it can't be disproved.
morphyis 9 hours ago
@morphyis: The officer still has to articulate facts that a reasonable person would construe as reasonable and articulable suspicion, before the stop.
FourthAmendment(dot)com has many cases where officers lost in court.
For example, officers allegedly stopped a car because of a very slightly cracked windshield, but the judge didn't believe them, and suppressed evidence of a gun possessed by a convicted felon.
DavidForthoffer 7 hours ago
does this work in britain ?
MrFuckyou12345678910 2 days ago
The 4 Amendmet wont stop a cop from kicking your ass nor well any other
poliahu43makaio 4 days ago
@poliahu43makaio That's why we have the 2nd. Their time is running out.
Scootertuner1000 4 days ago
@poliahu43makaio Tell me about it, Thats why they want to get rid of the 2nd.
WhoIsCosy 4 days ago
thank you for showing criminal how to avoid a cop, yea a cop is bad until something bad happens to you and you call 911 and they save your ass right.. why not show id if you have nothing to hide?
mduran387 5 days ago
The lawyer was incorrect when he said, "If there's no probable cause then the law enforcement officer does not have the right to stop you."
The LEO only needs reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement to stop you—Terry v. Ohio (S.Ct); that's a lower standard than probable cause.
Furthermore, if the state has a stop-and-ID law requiring such suspicion AND the officer has such suspicion, then you CAN be punished for failing to identify yourself. Hiibel v. Nevada (S.Ct.)
DavidForthoffer 5 days ago
@joshuaizzle IT`S CALLED THE 4TH AMENDMENT ASSHOLE !!
akaknocksville 1 week ago
@joshuaizzle yeah that too and end up in their system as your ID gets swiped/noted.
pexist88 1 week ago
The municipal laws apply to us humans the admiral laws apply to business; if you get pulled over and you have no I.D and no insurance,and no license plates,you have NOT broken no municipal law ordinances.If you are a truck driver that is working ON THE JOB and you do get caught in that situation,well guess what buddy?Yeap you sure are going to get ticketed and arrested for violating maritime laws.Why these laws operate in the fashion at which the way they do would be another topic to talk about.
thatpapichulo 1 week ago
@joshuaizzle Nothing to lose except your rights
Chain1234 1 week ago
idk about georgia but in texas u sign away your right for probablecause when u get your driver liceanse
larrytoland 1 week ago
@larrytoland No you don't
Scootertuner1000 6 days ago
@larrytoland: Although all states require drivers to show their license to LEOs on demand, it is nevertheless illegal for LEOs to stop vehicles in the first place unless they have at least reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal activity. And if they do stop you without such suspicion, that is a violation of your constitutional rights so any evidence against you (such as refusing to show your license) cannot be used in a court of law. That may tick a LEO off, but you may get a 1983 suit
DavidForthoffer 5 days ago
if you ask him what his probable cause is, does he have to tell you?
bigcheesy95 1 week ago
@LCLREPORT Hey is that Paulie G posing for pics for the Motor home Diaries?
Tumenihobbies 1 week ago
BUT anything can be probable cause; the terms are so vague, just refusing to show your ID is and will be deemed as PROBABLE CAUSE!
Vegasgodless 1 week ago
@Vegasgodless Refusing to show your i.d. is not probable cause. Probabable cause means that the cop has to believe that you have commited a crime or are commiting a crime. Refusing to show i.d. is not a crime.
Scootertuner1000 6 days ago
@Scootertuner1000 Refusing anything to a pig, can be construed as a probable cause. Because the term is so vague, it has no clear definition of what constitutes a probable cause. A friend of mine, not driving, refused to show his ID, He got thrown in the slammer, I have also been harassed when I denied a cop to search my persona. this is after I showed the fucking pig my ID. He wanted to search my bag as well. He did by force!
Vegasgodless 4 days ago
@Vegasgodless You're right. Of course, when it comes to court it can be thrown out, if you can prove it. That's the caveat though. Unless you have proof, they'll always believe a cop over a civilian.
Scootertuner1000 4 days ago
@Vegasgodless: "Probable cause" means "probable cause of involvement in criminal activity", not "probable cause of unusual activity".
Exercising one's constitutional rights, in the absence of any other facts indicative of criminal involvement is NEVER probable cause, or even reasonable suspicion.
DavidForthoffer 4 days ago
@DavidForthoffer Tell that to the pig, who suspects you in the first place, you've got no rights under their eyes, views, or the streets. The pig is the law, with that they constitute any action as lawful, even if you deem it unconstitutional or not. the pig exercises totalitarian power over you depending on your financial status, they don't give a shit about you, or what rights you may have, if they obviously know that you can't afford to even make a civil case against him/her.
Vegasgodless 4 days ago
@Vegasgodless: Video recordings of abusive police behavior can be a major factor, if the video is preserved. See qik(dot)com. Or audio recordings; see porcupine411(dot)com.
DavidForthoffer 4 days ago
@DavidForthoffer Yea, it's getting better with the video cams, however laws will change, and we will have no right to film cops. You'll see.
Vegasgodless 3 days ago
@Vegasgodless: Fortunately, all the U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeals that have ruled on the issue agree that we have a First Amendment right to videotape government officials (including police officers) engaged in their duties in a public place. So while some states may try to pass laws against that, we at least have the U.S. Constitution and higher courts on our side.
DavidForthoffer 3 days ago
@DavidForthoffer Nice, however @ the moment, when in the streets filming the fucking pigs, they will harass you, may even arrest you, or deny the law all together, or the pig may say that you need his permission to record him. Look for a video here on YT.Cop goes crazy after new crew stopped to film an accident on the freeway. It happened in El Paso Texas, I used to live there; anyhow the cop arrests a news person for filming!
Vegasgodless 2 days ago
what happens if you refuse a search of your car and the cops want to get a warrant. Do you have to stay there and wait for them to come with a warrant or will they tow the car to the police station and wait for the warrant there?.....how does that work?
inkey2 1 week ago
@inkey2 A pig can search your car on the spot! if you ask for a warrant, that gives him "probable cause" excluding the right of warrant, your rights are thrown out the window, just cause of "probable cause" If you refuse search, that is "probable cause" if you say your rights are been violated! That is probable cause! THE POINT IS! you HAVE NO RIGHTS!!
Vegasgodless 1 week ago
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@Vegasgodless said: "you refuse search, that is "probable cause"
Probable cause to what, search your vehicle?
Not legally they can't.
"a defendant's refusal to consent to search cannot establish probable cause to search. ... Indeed, the Fourth Amendment would mean little if officers could manufacture probable cause by asking questions until a suspect either consents or exercises constitutional rights. "
Source: 835 F.2d 1406
Pafoofnik1 1 week ago
A cop asking for ID is just a way to contract. If you supply him with such he has contracted you. This has nothing to do with search and siezure as suggested by this attorney. Attorneys belong to the BAR... that is British Accredited Registry. They have a sworn oath to the queen of England (in Canada, US, Australia, etc.). This is just a lie. If there is no breech of the peace the police have no jurisdiction. Learn how to handle in a peaceful manner watch: Ben Lowrey, Dean Clifford, Gordon Hall
tonyfreire702 1 week ago
If you "open carry" a firearm, even in Oregon, Washington or Texas, and you are stopped, you should as a decent citizen give the officer(s) you ID. Common sense would inform this, period.
roldans99 2 weeks ago
@roldans99 If you open carry in Texas you better be on your own property, at your business or commissioned by the state to carry for duty. Texas is one of the worst states for open carry freedom. You bet you're going to be stopped in Texas - it's against the law.
CmonMan101 1 week ago
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ashia4life313 2 weeks ago
jesus you got a small head!!
ontheotherhandx6 2 weeks ago
fucking pigs
Rustybucketofjunk 2 weeks ago
If you don't have it recorded, *all* cops will make up crap to justify what they did after the fact. "He was acting suspicious" is all they need to claim "probable cause". This standard is so lax, that even if your rights are violated on film, it can be argued that the cop thought it was suspicious behavior, and he'll never be held accountable.
eventhisidistaken 2 weeks ago
Why do cops wear mustaches? To hide their stretch marks.
AceOfHeart2012 2 weeks ago
youtube dean clifford, teaching people their laws and rights shifting the power back to the people cop bully and lie b/c nobody knows their rights and how to present them in court. gov under the PEOPLE
MrJimicut 2 weeks ago
You picked a shitty lawyer.
iamslknick78 2 weeks ago
Hey fucktard, coos do not need probable cause to make a stop, they need reasonable suspicion. You're uneducated and giving peeople BS info.
iamslknick78 2 weeks ago
@jaraandrew100 seriously? you're a good little slave aren't you? you, and everyone like you (pussy little bitches) are the reason police do everything wrong in the first place. you consent to everything and give in. you're a fucking child who needs the guidance of the government to survive. you have to understand, not everyone is a willing slave like you.
mickeysinonehand209 3 weeks ago
always use full sentences with police ;) so you don't say Yes to something when you're talking about something else.
aleksandr2006 3 weeks ago
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omg just give the cop your ID. if your not doing anything wrong who gives a fuck. if the cop is being an asshole fine (and nothing excuses behavior like that afterwards from cops) but just give him your ID. pissing off anyone just to piss them off makes you the asshole (again though cops shouldnt abuse their power either). just cooperate people.
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jaraandrew100 3 weeks ago
the only way youd be able to refuse a search is if they dont tell you what there reason is. but an officer can say any hing-ding reason for probably. it could be they smelled drugs or alcohol. it could be they say the saw a passenger rustling around in the back. it could be anything. there is no way around it. you can give a cop as much crap as you want. it wont work unless he refuses to give a cause.
bakerpd4 3 weeks ago
@bakerpd4: The fact that you consented to the search can't be brought up in court... if you don't consent to the search.
Pafoofnik1 3 weeks ago
@Pafoofnik1 youre consent doesnt matter anyways if they have probable cause
bakerpd4 3 weeks ago
@bakerpd4: Officers can usually search an automobile without the driver's consent if they have probable cause. However the fact that you refused consent still matters in court.
Pafoofnik1 3 weeks ago
@Pafoofnik1 no it doesnt. they can ALWAYS search if they have probable cause.
bakerpd4 3 weeks ago
@bakerpd4: Of course it matters. For example. My lawyer provides evidence that probable cause to search was not present at the time of the search.
If I refuse consent, then any evidence found during that search can be suppressed.
If I consented to the search, then any evidence found can be presented.
I never said they couldn't search without probable cause.
Pafoofnik1 3 weeks ago
@Pafoofnik1 are you dumb. thats what i said in the first place...the only way is if they dont provide a cause. learn to read a comment before replying to it.
bakerpd4 3 weeks ago
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@bakerpd4: You said "youre consent doesnt matter anyways if they have probable cause"
I disagreed and gave you an example of why refusing consent to search does matter.
Pafoofnik1 3 weeks ago
i dont think is worth the tazing u gonna get if u try it.
TheMARVINPEDRO 3 weeks ago
I'm fairly certain the law has recently changed, and this probable cause is not needed anymore for cops to search your car.
doluseb 4 weeks ago
@doluseb: I doubt it. The courts have found that probable cause us needed for most vehicle searches. The government rarely, if ever, has the ability to circumvent court rulings on constitutional issues.
Pafoofnik1 3 weeks ago
@joshuaizzle Good point Josh, while we may have "rights", often times the matter can be resolved much easier to just cooporate.
pearlandtrucker 4 weeks ago
damn, talk faster please!
saigondj 4 weeks ago
how to distinguish bad cops from good cops?
saigondj 4 weeks ago
0:24 can you say "His flag should instead read "Donations Needed for Breast Reduction Surgery".
kevjay777 1 month ago
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AceOfHeart2012 1 month ago
So if a cop arbitrarily determines that a crime is being committed is he not making a legal determination? And is thus not practicing law without a license? And if not, how is it NOT practicing law without a license when that is the very definition of practicing law without a license? That's exactly what it is. That's how I see it.
AceOfHeart2012 1 month ago
Than is a good question. I wonder dose a person have to pull over when the cop lights come on ?
mstargeted2012 3 weeks ago
One certainly is NOT obliged to talk to police AFTER arrest without an attorney. By the same token then, one is most certainly NOT obliged to talk to police BEFORE arrest either. Would this also not apply in a routine traffic stop? You've NOT yet been arrested and pulling over and stopping would imply that you intend on talking to the police, yet at that time you've not been arrested therefore, one is NOT obliged to pull over and stop when someone behind you flips on the gay disco lights.
AceOfHeart2012 1 month ago
Thank you......"Gay disco lights" LMAO !
mstargeted2012 2 weeks ago
I have been stopped by police 3 times in San Diego for walking to fast, the reason i was given was because I looked high, I have long legs and I walk fast, I always have.
dillinger9999 1 month ago
Probable cause...A cop with a gun can make up any kind of bogus "probable cause" for doing so, and you had better comply with ANY "request" he makes...I agree with the guy who says you should carry a camera to protect your rights...
deetjay1 1 month ago
Yes I agree as well..the cops can lie and say you were speeding even when you clearly was not...the judge works with the cops and will believe them...COPS MAKE UP PROBABLE CAUSE ALL THE TIME.
mstargeted2012 3 weeks ago
i was hoping u would ask him this situation "im pulled over for tail gating trying 2 switch lanes on an messed up highway but anyways im pulled over for a traffic violation the cop is a narc officer so he asked to search my car he prides himself with as many clean searches as possibly and pleases his boss all b.s but nothing illegal so i let him. but point bing if u are stop fro a traffic violation is that enough probable cause or does that probable cause have to be related to a crime"?
MultiTapout18 1 month ago
fuck the coppers if they want to talk I will hand them my cellphone so they can talk to my lawyer.
edwardd6681 1 month ago
probable cause is such a gray word
homer30 1 month ago
probable cause is suspicion if they suspect somthing they can get you serch ur car or ask for id lots of people dont know that. If i suspect you are driving drunk ur involved in a crime they can ask you for id or lock you up
lostboys111 1 month ago
Are you sure about this, because I don't want to be arrested for asking for a "probable cause" when they don't really need to.
pokemonkiller20 1 month ago
The police will MAKE UP PROBABLE CAUSE when pulled over just keep in mind that you are not required to talk to the police at all.other than giving them your drivers license.
mstargeted2012 3 weeks ago
@mstargeted2012 no need for an all caps rage
pokemonkiller20 3 weeks ago
cops lie. other cops back the lies up. carry a cam. have covert cams in your car as well
cooldaddyy 1 month ago
If a cop asks U 4 ID and U run away, THAT IS PROBABLE CAUSE to arrest U. They have the legal right to hold U in jail for up to 72 hours without charging U for "investigative purposes". This is the law of the land.
Avalon400 1 month ago
wahhhhhhh police are mean to me wahhhhhhhh
Freebry 1 month ago
yes, if the police ask for you ID you must in the state of MS. if not that is the arrestable offense
DOCpimp08 1 month ago
But the police has to be able to say what the probable cause is, right ?
MizzYungMacMar 1 month ago
@MizzYungMacMar Yes according to the lawyer, the cop must state what his probable cause is. Or you could just mace a guy in the face out of a sense of entitlement. Their seems to be a disconnect between the law, and law enforcement training. Personally i am willing to show my id to avoid mace,but will not consent to a search, we all have different boundary's.
SirThomasChannel 1 month ago
"can i get a bottle of jack daniels?" "ID Please!" "Sure no problem!"
"im here to check into my flight" "May I see some ID please" "here yah go!"
"license and registration and proof of insurance please" "I HAVE RIGHTS!!!!!"
emorph 1 month ago 2
@emorph the prob is not with asking the driver its with asking the passanger
coolaaronn17 1 month ago
@emorph bottle of jack: probable cause due to age restrictions on purchase of alcohol
Checking into a flight: probable cause due to potential for terrorist or fugitive to try and board a plane with intent to attack or flea the country
Asking for ID from a irrelevant source (car passenger) is just moronic.
illegal immigrants try the "I have rights" or "profiling" bs all the time and the ACLU backs them up. they apparently have more rights and freedom than Americans
Set2Survive 1 month ago
@emorph do you not know the difference between the private sector and the government?
Chain1234 1 week ago
VERY SOON will will have no rights at all and the police will be able to arrest anyone they choose and throw them into a FEMA camp and label them a domestic terrorist
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(Cont'd) So the standard for affecting a stop (traffic/terry) is reasonable suspicion; not probable cause. PC=full blown search and/or seizure. Put another way, a motorist is parallel parked on the side of a road & when he sees a cop cruise by, he makes eye contact with said cop. In reaction to the cop's presence, the motorist throws his vehicle into gear & pulls quickly into an alley out of view of the street he was parked on. Enough for a full blown search/seizure? No. Traffic stop? Yes.
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Terry v. Ohio: the Supreme Court recognized not all interactions between police & citizens involve intrusions serious enough to trigger the full probable cause standard. As a result, the Court delineated a specific, narrowly applicable exception to the general rule. The Court held in situations where the police have specific & articulable grounds that provide them with reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot, they may briefly detain an individual for the purposes of investigation.
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tonyGjr2 1 month ago
ya they just lie about probel cause and then months later in court it will say you gave permission to be serched so it will be your word vs his
whiteboypatrickkelly 1 month ago
Be aware they also have the ability to duplicate your VOICE so anytime "THEY" need someone to make a threat it's no problem! (
This was used as an alienation tool in my case; text messages too were FORGED by "law enforcement" or someone well connected thereto!
UnoRaza 1 month ago
A passenger pays for a ride, you can have a guest in your automobile. Have people tried to tell the officer that they are not making use of their license. Doctors are not making use of their license when they are eating at taco bell. Why don't any of you ask these lawyers about legal terms like driver v traveler. Automobile v motor vehicle. Traffic v going across town. Quit using the term driving if you ar not doing it. How about faking laryngitis and hand him a note that he can see you writing.
akmrmike 1 month ago
It's all fun and games till the cop fabricates "probable cause".
basshoundusa 1 month ago 46
@basshoundusa yeah then beats you down afterwards,,your right
brucekirk89 2 weeks ago
The real question should be if the road nazi has the authority and jurisdiction to stop you period, unless a crime has been committed, you are endangering others on the road, or the pirate has reason to believe you are driving, (commercial term) for compensation vs traveling in your private use vessel.
stupidAmerkin 2 months ago
I can say a camera has saved my rights several times. You should carry one at all times!!
meadowlark52 2 months ago 23
@meadowlark52 your correct,it has saved mt rights to,how sad the so called authority needs to see a camera in order to assure you your rights.im in the process of figuring out how to record without holding the camera in there face.
18wheeler76 2 months ago
@meadowlark52 do camera phones apply without getting shot???;(
bLaZeRs4dub 1 month ago
@meadowlark52 I agree. Dash cam is the best investment ever
LtBitter 1 month ago
you should pay closer attention before calling someone a dumbass and making yourself look like one, the attorney did bring up reasonable suspicion, When discussing exigent circumstances.
michaeljfo 2 months ago
This guy is a dumbass. An officer doesn't need probable cause to stop you, all they need is "reasonable suspicion" (much less of a standard). You might want to interview a lawyer that knows what the hell he is talking about.
DaxSummers234 2 months ago
@DaxSummers234 Let me clarify, the lawyer is a dumbass for saying that the cops need PC to stop you and thats simply not the case. Get a more knowledgable lawyer to answer questions correctly.
DaxSummers234 2 months ago
I just moved out of that shithole Long Beach, Calif...got pulled over by this pig for "tinted windows" and the tint was just a medium darkness....like 90% of the population has. He asked for the ID of the 2 other people in my car...and Im a 50 yr old businessman, white. The other 2 gents with me, same profile. Obviously not up to anything shady at all...this pig was just a fucking asshole. So did he have the right to ask for the ID of my friends?
mechiefslapahobitch 2 months ago
If an officer wants to search your vehicle ALL HE HAS TO SAY IS .......... YO LOOK SUSPICIOUS.
theilLsurrogate 2 months ago
what if its a bad neighborhood? or known drug neighborhood, is that reason enough to be stopped or asked for ID?
fudgedogbannana 2 months ago
@fudgedogbannana: Is it against the law to be in a bad neighborhood? No. There's your answer.
Of course the can 'ask' for ID. That doesn't necessarily mean you are required to give it.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago
I have been pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation and say "I smell marijuana" when i rolled down the windows even though I don't smoke marijuana. Which gave him probable cause.
bclajr1000 2 months ago
ur head doesn't look big enough or something..
sextwinky 2 months ago 4
Nice tits.
sandrifter 2 months ago
DON'T TALK TO COPS: It's against you interest.!
JanRichardus 2 months ago
Let me understand what you are saying . You think you can use this same line of thinking anywhere in the U.S. Is that what you are saying. Don't come to Detroit. The cops here are the best
MrRetired62 2 months ago
he looks like the shrunken head dude from the movie "Beetlejuice"......hat size = 4
postmormon 2 months ago
ha,a cop can manufacture a probable cause!He'll trick or intimidate you into giving consent to search,they arrest you for making them mad by asking questions.your rights mean nothing until you get in front of the judge,.by then you'll have an arrest record.Whenever they get pissed they'll charge you with anything they want. Best thing is just to ask for a lawyer.
3344utube 2 months ago
QIK
grandmabilly2000 2 months ago
Just to clarify, you need REASONABLE SUSPICION to be detained or pulled over. Probable cause grants officers the right to arrest you.
acoti 2 months ago
This is the whole problem with the law. It is ambiguously written in black and white. The cops can do what ever they want, just depends on how they write the report. Thats why we need the camera and thats also why they came out with the law that forbids taping without informing the person being tapped...
willsgotrythm42 2 months ago
Shit I was 15 on a trip to Mexico wen I was arrested by Mexican police for being a northern Mexican ( Mexican American) then I was released and I had to walk about two miles to my cuzins house through some cartel active territory ........scary ass fuck !!!!
I could of been killed !!!!!!!
TheRalph831 2 months ago
ok I need some help on this...me and my friend were driving around smoking weed, he gets pulled over for not having a front licence plate (sitting on his windshield) the cop take him out searches me, yanks me out of the car searches me and takes my weed. any way to get out of my ticket? Im wondering if theres a law saying somthing like he didnt find what he pulled us over for or anything like that
crzygutrsnobrdr 2 months ago
he's a koopa from the live action mario movie with bob hoskins and john leguizamo!
10stripJ 2 months ago
Also a person is obligated to identify himself, whether by i.d. or verbally only when he is no longer able to freely leave, he must be detained, not necesarrilly under arrest, usually at the reasonable suspicion level all the way to the probable cause level. A person can always deny a search and refuse consent, but if probable cause exists then the search will happen with or without consent.
colbertchief 2 months ago
first, I am not from Ohio, but the lawyer was wrong on a couple of things in my opinion and experience. One being that probable cause has to exist, this is not exactly true. Example a driver of a vehicle swerving inside of his own lane can be stopped on "Reasonable Suspicion" even though an actual offense of the law was not broken, but only briefly to determine if the driver is impaired in some way.
colbertchief 2 months ago
I stand corrected, cannot find a federal statue, But did locate the the Suprime Court Case, Hiibel V. 6th Judical Court of Nevada that compelling someone to identify themselves is not a violation of their 4th Amendment rights. And as in the Ohio law you still hold your 5th Amendment rights as you cannot be compelled to provide your DOB if this will incriminate yourself. I was wrong, I'm sorry, please do not hold this against me. HA ! Sorry I read so much that it all runs together sometimes.
tsgtammo2 2 months ago
@tsgtammo2: No worries. I think we all learn when someone does research.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago
And if we're betting donuts, I like Jelly. Perfer Raspberry.
tsgtammo2 2 months ago
I will attempt to find the Federal Statute that ORC #2921.29 mirrors.
tsgtammo2 2 months ago
Can't find the Federal Code, The Ohio Code that mirrors it is ORC # 2921.29, "Failure to Disclose Personal Information" This law was enacted in April of 2006. You are correct that the Police must have Reasonable Suspicion, that the person has committed/will commit/witnessed a crime. But it also in subsection C it does compell you to provide your name/dob/address. DOB need not be provided if the officer is investigating a crime that is/could be age related. ie:underage drinking.
tsgtammo2 2 months ago
There is a federal law enacted after 9/11. If you refuse to identify yourself, you can be arrested and detained. If you have nothing to hide whats the issue ?
tsgtammo2 2 months ago
@tsgtammo2 said: "If you refuse to identify yourself, you can be arrested and detained"
But only if you are being detained under suspicion of criminal activity and if your state has passed enabling legislation. ID can be give verbally.
Research the Supreme Court case "Hiibel" for more information.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 No, as I stated there is a federal law on the books not that you have to identify yourself, not under suspicion of criminal activity. And you are correct in that it can be verbal, but then it has to be verified.
tsgtammo2 2 months ago
@tsgtammo2: OK, I don't believe you.
Please quote and cite this federal law you say exists; the one that requires me to produce ID on demand and allows an arrest based only on my failure to produce tangible proof of my ID.
Dollars to donuts says you can't find it, or fins something that doesn't say this at all.
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korn4422 2 months ago
Sometimes you can get away easily by cooperating with them even if they do not have any probably cause. I was pulled over in Mass. last year by an undercover cop. He lied to my face telling me that I had gone into the wrong side of the road (not wrong turning lane wrong side of the street) I told him that I never did such a thing and gave him my info. I almost got my whole car searched but didn't because I just went along with it. Funny part is I had marijuana on me and was stoned out of mygourd
magicalhearingman 3 months ago
see, lawyers know the law, and they know what your rights are in a situation with a cop, but that won't prevent the cop from just murdering you right there with his gun.
davidreefer 3 months ago
in the united states of america there is no law requiring persons to carry identification with them although you do need drivers licences to drive
TheCloudz89 3 months ago
I never stopped any vehicles without probable cause and I never asked a consent to search the vehicle without probable cause. However, the court gave an officer lots of freedom on a reasonable probable cause.
rampartla 3 months ago
@MrLoneWolf33 "Depends on what state you live in or county"
Same in Australia -- its an offence to refuse to provide ID or provide false or misleading ID in Australia
badpanda84 3 months ago
Produce your ID smile , say thank you , have a nice day , and continue in your way muttering under your breath "dirty goddam motherfucken son of a cocksucking bitch whore cop cunt .
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sharlenemusiclover 3 months ago
here's the deal... if you have a camera pointed at the officer, you don't have to show ID. if you're alone with just you and the cop... show ID or they will mess your life up. that's the reality these days.
lmm9607 3 months ago
Consent to nothing! Advise the police that you do not conscent and are operating under protest and duress
TheMightySovereign 3 months ago
So cops can search my car without my consent, or a warrant if i'm pulled over for saying going over the speed limit by 12 mph?
zlee415 3 months ago
plus everyone knows the pigs make it up as they go along
1allstarman 3 months ago
I thought the "patriot act" did away with the probable cause thing !
1allstarman 3 months ago
In this case it will also determine the state that you are in. In Texas all person in a car must provide ID to the police officer if asked by the cop . Granted the officer does still need PC to stop you. But what ever the reason you where stopped that is his PC and everone in the car must produce ID or they can get arrested and charged with faiure to ID to a Police Officer. Its works the same as the law with the seatbelts..
cctv4texas 3 months ago
good man
CARLHALEY1964 3 months ago
Well how in the hell is someone supposed to know what the officer has determined as constituting a probable cause? Also, the lawyer never clarifies whether or not Police are required to provide verbally the probable cause for their arrest or interrogation. We need to know this.
musicalidea 3 months ago
That second guy in the bus trio is smokin'.
musicalidea 3 months ago
Slightly misrepresented opinion is you don't have the right to refuse if you're involved in a crime, might suggest that if you arent involved you do have the right. It boils down to the officers observations and what a reasable officer would do in a similar situation. If the officer is able to articulate a reason for the stop and probable cause for the search he's in a pretty good position. You don't have the right to refuse regardless. Interesting issue love to debate it... Thanks for the Video
mainemikeiii 3 months ago
The officer has to articulate a reason for the stop... He does not have to produce probable cause for a simple traffic stop. there is a difference to say other wise is not correct.
mainemikeiii 3 months ago
you dont even have to talk
tgshark1 3 months ago
too bad probable cause is subjective
wisemanchamp 3 months ago 2
@wisemanchamp Indeed! And what we really need to know is if the officer is required to provide, indicate or convey his/her probable cause for search, confiscation or arrest to you if you ask or before doing this. The lawyer says "legally he should be giving you the reason." This is quite equivocal. He doesn't clarify this.
musicalidea 3 months ago
The video is correct. A state police officer cannot search your car without probable cause. However, a FEDERAL officer can search your vehicle with or without cause.
dciguy01 3 months ago
@dciguy01 That, along with other info does work in court, but it depends on the state, area and particular judge. Some judges are more fair than others. More and more the judges are being taught that the people are waking up and learning the law and the real truth of it and are countering it or simply ignoring any jurisdictional arguments and trying the facts of the case anyway which is against the law until jurisdiction has been settled.Just because courts ignore it, it's still CRITICAL to KNOW
JediWitness 3 months ago
WE HAVE A CORRUPT POLICE AND COURT SYSTEM TODAY. My uncle was a judge--a conservative constitutionalist judge and now he is dead. About two decades ago he was known as one who ruled by the constitution rather than legislate from the bench. I miss him.
Marksnotebook 3 months ago
Use a microphone when you interview people, not the built-in mic of the camera.
nemirn 3 months ago
Cops rarely enforce the law.. they enforce Polices.. that's why they're called "PolicY(E) officers, because they enforce POLICE-IES..not laws!! They enforce rules and regulations that are really policies operating under Color of law or pretense of law and are NOT in fact laws. NO traffic violations are truly laws because under the Constitution, only if their is an actual injured party is there a broken law. Driving without a license, speeding, running a red light is NOT against the real LAW.
JediWitness 4 months ago
@JediWitness yeah, argue that in a court of law and see how far that gets you.
dciguy01 3 months ago
You've asked a member of a "society"mr lowe and he goes ahead and mentions statutes/acts as if they hold actual power over the people.All he's done is exactly what we see all members of his "society"(the BAR)judges/lawyers etc etc ))do and that's state that his "societies" rules can be applied to those outside of his "society"
Differentiate between "driving" and "traveling" -one is earning on the public roads,the other isn't -Licence -no licence.
1dosucol1 4 months ago
lol. is this a youtube thing? yea... Nice!
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sharlenemusiclover 4 months ago
what if cops do not like your attitude.
stealthgerm 4 months ago
You don't have to show an ID unless there is probable cause, but you do get to go to jail with lumps on your head and perhaps more if it is Mississippi.
Fedproman 4 months ago
And the state where I live, if I video or audio record a cop, no matter the reason, I go to jail for breaking wiretapping laws.
COBRA01971 4 months ago
The truth is, police think they are the law and don't have to follow it themselves. Suspicion is a vague term that can can be argued. Why do people have to be assholes to execute their rights?
playtime914 4 months ago 20
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@playtime914 "Suspicion is a vague term that can can be argued. Why do people have to be assholes to execute their rights? "
yes argued in court.. NOT while you are getting arrested .
The roadside is NOT the place to argue suspicion.
badpanda84 3 months ago
@playtime914 Fighting for freedom is not easy man. Being a dick and possibly risking being underarrest I guess is part of it. There are people being shot at by their own police for protesting inhumen conditions. Something like:
Protestor: I want a better life
Cop: Fuck you *gunshot*
Bottom line: It does suck that this is how majority of cops are but none of us make the rules. May sound trite but fight for your rights. If not better for you better for all of us in the end.
mattgoodnuts 3 months ago
@mattgoodnuts Name a SINGLE account of this happening? An American officer of the law shooting a citizen for saying "I want a better life" while being a law abiding citizen?
violetember 3 months ago
@playtime914 well said but that's not what the truth is.. truth is we "allow" them not to follow the law. we give them a "right" that they don't have because we want to be "good shepherds". Lol
wessind 2 months ago
suspicion is probable cause, if you are suspicious they can search you, and suspicion is hard to define. so if you get stopped just follow directions and dont be an asshole, being a cop is a hard enough job without douchebags making it worse
JBLAKIE1 4 months ago