don't mean to be picky about the title description but Cicero was no philosopher and dind't draw or draft any teachings or ideas, but rather merely wanted to convey the philosophy of greece to the romans.
Actually, Cicero was trying to escape in a litter near Formiae and was caught. He stretched his neck out of the litter where a Roman officer hired by Antony dispatched him.
@wainscottbl Rush Limbaugh is a Republican politician upset with the way the country is going and uses wit and comedic protest to get this across. Cicero was the same.
@TheLoyalOfficer I bet you dont even know who Rush Limbaugh is, if you compare him to Hilton. You probably only know what the media tells you, like a good little puppet.
@SpadaccinoLuciano Pffft - I listened to Limbo for years. But he is now a total neocon/Wall Street/imperial shrew, and has no credentials with me politically whatsoever.
And I didn't need the media to tell me that. I just listened to him!
@TheLoyalOfficer noticed your discussion about Rush- I must say how he stated you'd been brainwashed by the media without considering that Rush is part of that. Such a loss of perspective will be the doom of the Republic.
@TheLoyalOfficer I considered this for awhile then it occured to me the depth of him and other talk radio's influence over conservative think makes them very much a part of the media. This isnt a good thing meerly an observation.
@SpadaccinoLuciano Cicero was one of the best literary masters of the ancient world, he is considered to be the best latin writer of his era, his prestigious way with words matched his academic ambitions.
His literary masterpieces are still read, after over 2000 years.
Rush Limbaugh is an uneducated former drug addicted conspiracy theorist, hired to shepherd the people who listen to his slander from one populist question to another.
Too bad they didn't portray his actual death. He was fleeing in a wagon when a centurion chasing him, caught him and stabbed him. His head and hand were cut off and sent to Antony and were displayed above the Forum.
Too bad they didn't portray his actual death. He was fleeing in a wagon when a centurion stabbed him. His head and hand were cut off and sent to Antony and were displayed above the Forum.
@cologey You do have a point, but in fairness Antony was screaming and crying because (he thought) Cleopatra had killed herself without him and never said goodbye, not because he was going to die. He seemed pretty accepting of his impending death and came to terms with it quickly enough. Antony (both the character and the historical figure) was many things, but no coward.
i find it ironic that snobs like cicero ended up championing the poor more then ceasar ever did. ceasar claimed to be speaking for the people but he was just speaking for himself and simply used the people to get what he wanted. while men like cicero actually fought for his personal values (which happend to be the real roman values) above all eles and if cicero was able to llive the roman poor would of been alot better of then they were under the emporers.
Great scene, but its a shame they didnt do the actual death of cicero, his last words were '' There'S nothing proper about what you are doing soldier, but do try to kill me properly '' And he bowed himself like a gladiator.
As an A/S level classics student it's annoying that Cicero is being portrayed this way. Generally he was a good man that actually helped the poor and showed great courage when he joined Pompey's side for the civil war. Either way, his new man status should be respected regardless of the standards of his morals.
this video is wrong....what really happened was he was trying to escape on a ship and when he was leaving his house he was caught....he then himself went into the knee gesture and told the soilder 'There is nothing proper about what you are doing, soldier, but do try to kill me properly ' and showed his neck(showing he would not resist.
@gazer786 I can't remember the exact source (I study ancient history) but it is documented, perhaps with bias, that cicero could have made his escape. It was the thought of what had become of his beloved Republic (soon Empire) that resulted in him giving him self up. He simply no longer had the will to live.
I stood in front of the Rostra in Rome about 5 years ago and thought about Cicero, as that was where that animal Marcus Antonius nailed Cicero's head and hands. And then I quietly said "Marcus Tullius Cicero, you have not been forgotten."
@Darkmind1970.Most of historians depicted him as a weather vane which roams from a faction to another.Actually he has always been a promoter of senatorial oligarchy.Despite he descended from a poor family(his father was a wool's teaser) and he hadn't materials interest to line up with the Senate.In fact Caesar could have recovered him of gold if Cicero had lined up with him. Cicero gave occasional support to triumviri just because he was blackmailed with threats .
@Darkmind1970 and extorsion .Cicero was exiliated in Macedonia for a Caesar's order .He could came back from the exile because his brother ,Quintus Cicerone,who was legatus of Caesar in Gaul promised to tyrant that Marcus wouldn't have opposed to his projects.These were the times...and not every men knew to say no to Caesar,to a powerful tyrant.
Great Marcus Tullius Cicerone we will not forget you.The last of the great republican romans together to Bruto and Cassius
If you want to learn about the Senate, Cicero, Caeser and the ruling class of Rome watch Michael Parenti's lecture: The Assasination of Julius Caeser.
It isn't the traditional ruling elite version of history (that so many commenters here seem to subscribe to) but a class based study. Cicero was a slum lord and all round scumbag. He is mentioned at 9:50 in the lecture.
Stingball22 is apparently someone who has entirely too much time on his or her hands. Cicero was and still is one of the most respected people of Rome because of his ideas of diplomacy and compromise...something that our present day masters have not been able to agree on yet. So, it seems that the world in which we live, always portray people like Cicero as weak,etc. That makes our civilization as pathetic now as then.
Cicero's cheif secretary, Tiro(the slave with the sword), was a slave of Cicero's for many years. Even though he was officialy a slave he was treated like a brother by Cicero and the rest of his family. This was not the case for most slaves in Rome.
@RaySingh87 Oh, you have been teached nowadays politically correct history, right? Ok, those were different times and slavery was universally accepted so it is logical that good master was gift from the heavens to the slaves to the point that after being freed they often served same master as freedman..
I'm a little disappointed honestly, I was hoping they'd do the whole bit with striking three times and having to saw to sever the head... that's how most sources describe it.
The book "Cicero: The Life and Times of Rome's Greatest Politician" by Anthony Everitt is an excellent, accurate, account of Cicero's life. In real life Cicero was killed by a Tribune named Popillius Laenas and a Centurion named Herennius. Titus Pullo a real historical figure though, never was involved with Cicero's assassination. It is also ironic that Cicero successfully defended Popillius in a civil suit.
How cold is that but I guess if your a killer you have to approach it like that asking the man for his peaches and having just a casual conversation nevermind am going to kill you
Cicero was portrayed as such a coward in this show, however he had quite a lot of courage in real life. He was a new man who established himself in the patrician dominated roman senate. Quite the feat at the time. History looks kindly on Cicero becuase he was a paragon in oratory and philosophy. At the time however most roman senators detested Cicero.
@Humbug26 how is he shown as a coward in this show? he wrote a message to brutus to warn him intead of runnung away, he did not begg for mercy and he respectid the man that was aboud to end his life, he even stoped his slave from saving him, the slave would proplably die but no the less. he did try to pay him off but who would not atleast try to do that.
@Humbug26 The rich and powerful never like the new kid. It is like how the popular kids usually don't like the new kid in school. Or how the bullies always pick on the new kid. It isn't exactly the same thing, but in theory it is the easiest comparison.
Cicerón fue asesinado en Caeta, con el corazón destrozado (su amada República perdida para siempre), de luto por la muerte de su hermano (Quinto Tulio Cicerón, también proscrito y ejecutado el día anterior), cubierto de polvo, con el pelo largo y desordenado. Como siempre, tenía un libro con él (Medea, la tragedia de Eurípides). Todos los historiadores coinciden en relatar el coraje y la gallardía con que ofreció su cuello a los esbirros enviados por Marco Antonio (Popilius Laenas y Herennius)
Well that was quicker than Caesar's death who was stabbed over twenty times. Guess Titus thought "Oh bullocks. Well he's dead anyways, so what's a few weepy farewells?". Rather considerate to ask a proscribed man if he can take a few peaches home.
I find the fall of the Roman Republic to be one of the most fascinating periods of history. So many themes repeated throughout history: tyrants presenting themselves as champions of the common man, political murder, massacres and terror, mobs roaming the streets, the casting down of laws and rights, and most tragically of all victors writing the history books so that men like Cicero are condemned for their faults and men like the Caesars are admired for their faults.
Cicero was a great orator, and an influential politician as well. But he was not from a privileged family. At least not priveleged in Rome and Rome's politics. Cicero was the first of his family to enter the Senate. Since Cicero was from Arpinum, outside of Rome, Cicero was seen as an Homo Novus, a New Man, so don't overestimate his position among his peers.
Interesting that you view Cicero in the positive way that you do. I don't know about the actual historical figure Cicero, but in HBO's "Rome" I didn't think Cicero was portrayed in a positive manner. My impression of him from this series was that he was a wealthy senator from a privileged family who cared only about preserving the status quo in Roman society. The status quo being a small privileged class and a large underclass (the Plebs). This is not true democracy or even republicanism.
@Stingball22 we must consider those times before...the wealthy class was supposed to keep the moral values (those who were called BONI VIRI)...the aristocrats were corrupted, cicero still believed in those values. the idea of Republic, in the roman society, was different. I view Cicero positively above all for his philosophy and orations...politically i disagree with many of his ideas :)
@iongl91 I wouldnt like or dislike someone based on politics but beyond mere politics and class-based things, his character develops to aspire to the high courage to die for his country and you come to like him by that.
@Stingball22 His portrayal is a shadow of the man Cicero was. Of all the Latin writers, Cicero's were the most widely available during the Dark Ages inspiring education. His writings are credited to have influenced The Renaissance, the Founding Father's of the United States and the French Revolution. True, he was not a perfect man and defended the status quo you refer to in contrast with the reforms Cesar desired. Love him/hate him, but he was a unique and influential human, key to our history.
@Stingball22 Cicero should be judged more by his politics than his portrayed hollywood demeanor. His political idea was based on the thought that if given enough power a man will eventually dissolve the Republic and become a king, ruling over Rome (an idea very feared during the time Cicero lived). He was actually right; eventually Octavian by defeating Antony became Rome's first emperor and dissolved the Senate, just as Antony probably would have done had he defeated Octavian.
@mavriksfan11 Actually, Octavian never considered himself an emperor or a king. You are wrong to assert he dissolved the Senate, he did no such thing, in fact the Roman Senate was never dissolved by any of the so called emperors. He took on the title of princeps, which means first among men, NOT Prince, king or even emperor.
@tonylast47 even though i was beat to it, its been said by most Roman historians that Octavian left the appearance of the Senate while making all the senators his own personal allies/assistants, and taking away their power to make laws although never revealing this knowledge to the public. So yes he sis become an emperor although he stayed away from that title as Romans always feared being ruled by another monarch.
@Stingball22 Cicero was not from a privileged family, and he is widely respected as the father and/or patron saint of modern oratory. Historically, he was an intelligent, educated, and unbelievably eloquent man.
@Stingball22 Can you tell me anybody in the sereis who was portrayed postively ? Pullo perhaps , a Gambler , Drunkard , Murderer , Psychopathic Beserker , Philanderer , murdered his second wife (who was pregantt by him ) because she poisoned his first wife , (whose first Husband ,Pullo Killed in a Jealous rage )
yet a loyal friend , a man who saved the life of Vorenus and laid down his own life many times , for the sake of his friend and his family .
Cicero was actually what's known as a "novus homo", or new man. That means he was newly raised from a plebian family that hadn't been of senatorial class before. He wasn't really from a privileged family.
@Stingball22 Cicero was for the Republic which had served Rome very well up until the late Republic when the senate became bloated and the men corrupt. Although it was probably to save his way of life that he fought against Caesar, it was also for the idea of a Republic.
@Stingball22 Cicero was not a patrician nor from the senatorial class, from an 'equestrian' background. he was a novus homo, being the first in his family to hold office, It was very unusual for a man to become consul outside of these senatorial classes, which proves Cicero was an exceptional character. If you ever read his letters you’ll feel warmth towards him, a man who tries and fails to prevent the demise of his beloved republic. Roman was a oligarchic republic, and so is a democracy,
@Stingball22 Yeah,.He talked a good game,.but didnt back up his words with much action,..He was more for a rule of the few than the rule of one,.but nowhere near democracy
@Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
@Stingball22@Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
@Stingball22@Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
@Stingball22@Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
@Stingball22 Interestingly, Cicero was actually a "novus homo" (new man) - a man NOT from the governing class who rose to great honours. Like many who adopt values not traditionally part of their heritage, he was in fact more vocal in his support of those values than most. Doubtless he felt that he owed much to the system that allowed him to achieve consulship and a seat in the senate on his own merits, not because of who his father was.
@frizbe666 One could more convincingly argue that he SHOULD HAVE been a man who would not forget where he came from and would therefore chose to champion the cause of the majority underclass in Rome instead of fighting for the rights of the governing class which was already quite overpriviledged.
@Stingball22 Their was was a reason he was not a democrat as democracy was considered bad at the time how did Aristotle put it mob rule, the corrupted 'polity.' As for Republic it is in its literal Latin nothing more than a public place, thus any state that is not ruled by Monarchy is thus a republic so a aristocratic oligarchy is still a republic. What Cicero was was a man trying to perseve the traditional values and institutions and most importantly laws of the republic.
@Stingball22 Actually, he was not from a prominent family; he hated the aristocrats. Cicero was a homo novus, a new man, which meant he had little; he earned his wealth, which is more than can be said for many Romans. He did preserve the status quo, however, but he must be viewed in comparison to his enemies; Caesar, Verres, Catillina, Crassus and Octavian were ruthless and power-hungry men.
...abgesehen von der "fast erschießungs szene" in Die Geächteten von Ernst von Salomon und Ernst Jüngers geradezu aufgegeilten Schilderungen des fast verblutens am Schlachtfeld...bietet Rome die ärgsten und geilsten Todesszenen!
Read Robert Harris' "Lustrum", its a recreation of Slave Tiro's biography of Cicero, it is not biased either, and you will not finish it and favour Caesar as much. It also depicts Cicero as a boasting man with little to support his name as past glories go into the pages of history.
@InarusT i found that LUSTRUM is the english title for CONSPIRATA which is the title of the italian version that i read....it's the second book of a trilogy on cicero
@iongl91 I think Conspirita is a different title for Lustrum (Lustrum being Latin for a five year period). I can't see why they would have different titles though and I don't think its a sequel.
I would recommend everyone here to read Michael Parentis excellent "The Assassination of Julius Ceasar - A peoples history of ancient Rome". It gives quite another picture of Cicero and Ceasar than what we are used to. See also this lecture: v=_IO_Ldn2H4o
Historical Cicero was a staunch anti-democrat, a demagogue and a bragging hypocrite. The most contemptible scoundrel in history. Gaius Julius Ceasar on the other hand was a good, brave and righteous man.
@RV56 Cicero was the greatest orator of Ancient Rome, Caeser was not good, brave certainly, but not good, at least not before his gallic wars. He was a political tyrant even before he became recognised as the conqueror of Gaul.
@InarusT Politically Ceasar was of the populares, like the Gracchi or Gaius Marius. This faction wanted to reform the Roman empire by increasing democracy and strengthening the working and middle classes. They were violently opposed by the arch-conservative optimate-faction (including Cicero) and often murdered by death squads. It is the same today. Those who fight for the people (like Allende or Chavez) are attacked by never ending propaganda and if that does not help they are killed.
@CiceroFIN Cicero didn't give a shit for the ordinary citizen. Middle and lower class meant nothing to him. He cared nothing for his nation. Caius Julius and Caius Octavian Caesar made life better for the lower and middle class.
@MindingMyOwnBiz Interesting point , I never thought of Caesars Eagle . I just Thought he looked at the bird flying high above and most of thought , How beautiful , and what a beautiful life it is . And all the things you might fret about , after all you only have a few minutes left on earth , just dissolved into a resignation to his fate .
@MindingMyOwnBiz Interesting point , I never thought of Caesars Eagle . I just Thought he looked at the bird flying high above
and most of thought , How beautiful , and what a beautiful life it is . And all the things you might fret about , after all you only have a few minutes left on earth , just dissolved into a resignation to his fate .
@KaiSuTeknon315 He loved being rich. He could have cared less about the plebs. That's why he defied Caesar. If he liked the fact that the people were getting the land that the nobility stole from them, he wouldn't have sided with Pompey. He was a coward. However, he was still a genius.
are u guys naive or didnt pay attention what this prick has said over and over again he an brutus and the other ones who killed caesar look down on the normal people for example cicero cant accept vorenus as a senator he thinks he is not worthy and lets not forget they reject caesars bill to employ the citizens instead of slaves this so called noble men just looked out for their own interests and not for the people thank god pullo gave this basterd what he deserved
@MagnificentFiend True, vocative would sound better - but we must consider, that in english, there shouldn't any inflections except the nominative singular and plural.
@vipdoniser Mark Antony ordered him to and Also chop his hands off amd Nail them to the Senate door , Which Pullo did Cicero refused to be a Poodle for Antony
Years later, Octavian (one of the men responsible for proscribing Cicero, essentialy putting him on a hit-list) would later come upon one of his grandsons reading a book by Cicero. The boy tried to conceal the book, fearing the reaction of his grandfather. Octavian, now called Augustus, took the book from his grandson, read a part of it, and then handed the volume back, saying: "He was a learned man, dear child, a learned man who loved his country."
@iongl91 yes, supposedly Octavian resisted having Cicero killed, but it was probably for political reasons (fears that he would be a martyr), Antony hated him
Antony was the primary force behind Cicero's proscription. Octavian actually made an effort in the Senate to spare him, but relented for the sake of the Triumvirate.
I thought this was about skyrim...
blastpower5 6 days ago
I felt really sad for that man...This scene was hard to watch
playaN3 6 days ago
So sad :(
eurasianchica 1 week ago
he lost alot of weight in the second season....he just looks ill...it helps with the part i guess but i was wondering if he had cancer or something
dave1927p 3 weeks ago
Cicero teh Jester
TheMessanjah 3 weeks ago
don't mean to be picky about the title description but Cicero was no philosopher and dind't draw or draft any teachings or ideas, but rather merely wanted to convey the philosophy of greece to the romans.
mdbum 1 month ago
bitch would probably say "domine" vocative innit... inaccurate piece of shit
jakesutherlandrowe 1 month ago
Just like Titus Mede II. Accepting the fate.
DirePyre 2 months ago
Anybody else here because of Skyrim?
ubertuna1 2 months ago 5
@ubertuna1 I looked up Circero and this came up lol I also noticed Marcus TULLIUS CICERO. They clearly got the names from this xD
Recon2146 2 months ago
@ubertuna1 Skyrim? No. Did Bioware use his name for one of their characters?
SamusX10 2 months ago
On this day in 43 BC - 7 December, Cicero was killed.
Aetius114 2 months ago
Actually, Cicero was trying to escape in a litter near Formiae and was caught. He stretched his neck out of the litter where a Roman officer hired by Antony dispatched him.
spinmonkey4401 3 months ago
Cicero was like a Roman Rush Limbaugh.
SpadaccinoLuciano 4 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano
Rush Limbaugh is nothing to Cicero. Even if he were worth something, to compare him to Cicero?
wainscottbl 2 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano In short, either you think way too much of Rush Limbaugh or way too little of Cicero.
wainscottbl 2 months ago
@wainscottbl Rush Limbaugh is a Republican politician upset with the way the country is going and uses wit and comedic protest to get this across. Cicero was the same.
SpadaccinoLuciano 2 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano Comparing Limbaugh to Cicero is like comparing Paris Hilton to Thomas Jefferson...
TheLoyalOfficer 1 month ago 4
@TheLoyalOfficer I bet you dont even know who Rush Limbaugh is, if you compare him to Hilton. You probably only know what the media tells you, like a good little puppet.
SpadaccinoLuciano 1 month ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano Pffft - I listened to Limbo for years. But he is now a total neocon/Wall Street/imperial shrew, and has no credentials with me politically whatsoever.
And I didn't need the media to tell me that. I just listened to him!
TheLoyalOfficer 1 month ago
@TheLoyalOfficer noticed your discussion about Rush- I must say how he stated you'd been brainwashed by the media without considering that Rush is part of that. Such a loss of perspective will be the doom of the Republic.
angrydead 3 weeks ago
@angrydead Well, I would not consider Limbo to be part of "the media" - mainstream that is. But that does not make him correct, or good.
TheLoyalOfficer 3 weeks ago
@TheLoyalOfficer I considered this for awhile then it occured to me the depth of him and other talk radio's influence over conservative think makes them very much a part of the media. This isnt a good thing meerly an observation.
angrydead 3 weeks ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano Cicero was one of the best literary masters of the ancient world, he is considered to be the best latin writer of his era, his prestigious way with words matched his academic ambitions.
His literary masterpieces are still read, after over 2000 years.
Rush Limbaugh is an uneducated former drug addicted conspiracy theorist, hired to shepherd the people who listen to his slander from one populist question to another.
Not quite so similar.
Ulrna 1 month ago 2
lol omg tiro's little sword
Negzn 4 months ago
Look at these comments. There are some educated people here.
JoachimderZweite 4 months ago
great defender of the republic died...
matszelm 4 months ago
Too bad they didn't portray his actual death. He was fleeing in a wagon when a centurion chasing him, caught him and stabbed him. His head and hand were cut off and sent to Antony and were displayed above the Forum.
1973mustangcoupe 4 months ago
Too bad they didn't portray his actual death. He was fleeing in a wagon when a centurion stabbed him. His head and hand were cut off and sent to Antony and were displayed above the Forum.
1973mustangcoupe 4 months ago
@cologey You do have a point, but in fairness Antony was screaming and crying because (he thought) Cleopatra had killed herself without him and never said goodbye, not because he was going to die. He seemed pretty accepting of his impending death and came to terms with it quickly enough. Antony (both the character and the historical figure) was many things, but no coward.
enigma19833 5 months ago
Wow, that was done absolutely horribly and no sort of justice is served to Cicero's legend.
DrRyanOGorman 7 months ago
I would have chopped off his hands too. Antony was right to kill that troublemaker and defender of the wealthy.
fvgdfbdokd 7 months ago
hard shit, took it like a man, or even, a stoic
TristanDesnos 8 months ago 13
@TristanDesnos Agree 100%.
Cicero was twice the man than that opportunistic prick Caesar was, his incompetent lapdog Antony, and the snobbish jerkoff that was Octavian.
DarkFilmDirector 8 months ago
Only wanna be romans like the Anglos can make the romans look like barbarian pussies.
AGViquez 8 months ago
I loved "Rome", but it did Cicero no justice: he died with so much more bravery than this...
EdNortonisMineLol 8 months ago
Definitely VERY good scene, they really paid special attention for everything when making this scene
urmo345 10 months ago
Brutus and cicero were my favorites.
Jc40k1 11 months ago
positive or negative, he was indeed a politicial genius and writer, a brilliant man
and yes, he has gained inmortality.
rata9009 11 months ago
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wererjydjkljbhgoljl 1 year ago
cicero was a little bitch. Agustus for the win.
KingKawala 1 year ago
i find it ironic that snobs like cicero ended up championing the poor more then ceasar ever did. ceasar claimed to be speaking for the people but he was just speaking for himself and simply used the people to get what he wanted. while men like cicero actually fought for his personal values (which happend to be the real roman values) above all eles and if cicero was able to llive the roman poor would of been alot better of then they were under the emporers.
slimithy12 1 year ago
GOOD PEACHES
JohnMcClainBaby 1 year ago
Great scene, but its a shame they didnt do the actual death of cicero, his last words were '' There'S nothing proper about what you are doing soldier, but do try to kill me properly '' And he bowed himself like a gladiator.
EduardoElSexypants 1 year ago
5:22
bradhuygens 1 year ago
As an A/S level classics student it's annoying that Cicero is being portrayed this way. Generally he was a good man that actually helped the poor and showed great courage when he joined Pompey's side for the civil war. Either way, his new man status should be respected regardless of the standards of his morals.
jackheaney 1 year ago 2
can I take some peaches lol
rayblack2004 1 year ago
this video is wrong....what really happened was he was trying to escape on a ship and when he was leaving his house he was caught....he then himself went into the knee gesture and told the soilder 'There is nothing proper about what you are doing, soldier, but do try to kill me properly ' and showed his neck(showing he would not resist.
gazer786 1 year ago
@gazer786 I can't remember the exact source (I study ancient history) but it is documented, perhaps with bias, that cicero could have made his escape. It was the thought of what had become of his beloved Republic (soon Empire) that resulted in him giving him self up. He simply no longer had the will to live.
rahtibunglee 1 year ago
I stood in front of the Rostra in Rome about 5 years ago and thought about Cicero, as that was where that animal Marcus Antonius nailed Cicero's head and hands. And then I quietly said "Marcus Tullius Cicero, you have not been forgotten."
Darkmind1970 1 year ago 13
@Darkmind1970.Most of historians depicted him as a weather vane which roams from a faction to another.Actually he has always been a promoter of senatorial oligarchy.Despite he descended from a poor family(his father was a wool's teaser) and he hadn't materials interest to line up with the Senate.In fact Caesar could have recovered him of gold if Cicero had lined up with him. Cicero gave occasional support to triumviri just because he was blackmailed with threats .
wererjydjkljbhgoljl 1 year ago
@Darkmind1970 and extorsion .Cicero was exiliated in Macedonia for a Caesar's order .He could came back from the exile because his brother ,Quintus Cicerone,who was legatus of Caesar in Gaul promised to tyrant that Marcus wouldn't have opposed to his projects.These were the times...and not every men knew to say no to Caesar,to a powerful tyrant.
Great Marcus Tullius Cicerone we will not forget you.The last of the great republican romans together to Bruto and Cassius
wererjydjkljbhgoljl 1 year ago
If you want to learn about the Senate, Cicero, Caeser and the ruling class of Rome watch Michael Parenti's lecture: The Assasination of Julius Caeser.
It isn't the traditional ruling elite version of history (that so many commenters here seem to subscribe to) but a class based study. Cicero was a slum lord and all round scumbag. He is mentioned at 9:50 in the lecture.
DuffmanIRL 1 year ago
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That, is how you die with honor.
meltz911 1 year ago
i can't stop pissing my self at Tiros sex face at 5:25 LMAO!!!!!!!
Woffled 1 year ago
I'd love to live there at that time.. somehow.. I can't explain how. It was fucking dangerous but still..
MooseHunter911 1 year ago
@MooseHunter911 I feel preceisely the same way!
wrenzaga1 1 year ago
Pullo was just so casual---eating the fruit
mareble412 1 year ago
A Titan of a more glorious and terrible time.
angrydead 1 year ago
Most terrible and horrific way to die...poor Cicero.
HypersonicWave 1 year ago
Stingball22 is apparently someone who has entirely too much time on his or her hands. Cicero was and still is one of the most respected people of Rome because of his ideas of diplomacy and compromise...something that our present day masters have not been able to agree on yet. So, it seems that the world in which we live, always portray people like Cicero as weak,etc. That makes our civilization as pathetic now as then.
dougwulff 1 year ago
Very touching scene :(
tontsa911 1 year ago
Were slaves really THAT attached to their masters back in those days?!? Unbelievable! Seriously.
RaySingh87 1 year ago
@RaySingh87
Cicero's cheif secretary, Tiro(the slave with the sword), was a slave of Cicero's for many years. Even though he was officialy a slave he was treated like a brother by Cicero and the rest of his family. This was not the case for most slaves in Rome.
yankeefan122522 1 year ago
@RaySingh87 Oh, you have been teached nowadays politically correct history, right? Ok, those were different times and slavery was universally accepted so it is logical that good master was gift from the heavens to the slaves to the point that after being freed they often served same master as freedman..
urmo345 10 months ago
Pullo's so casual ... even when his business is deadly
DeeHoffner 1 year ago
I'm a little disappointed honestly, I was hoping they'd do the whole bit with striking three times and having to saw to sever the head... that's how most sources describe it.
bchernyk 1 year ago
The book "Cicero: The Life and Times of Rome's Greatest Politician" by Anthony Everitt is an excellent, accurate, account of Cicero's life. In real life Cicero was killed by a Tribune named Popillius Laenas and a Centurion named Herennius. Titus Pullo a real historical figure though, never was involved with Cicero's assassination. It is also ironic that Cicero successfully defended Popillius in a civil suit.
Goove87 1 year ago
Well, not how it actually went down, but a great scene. I didn't get to see all of this series - thanks for this.
CheshireKhat1 1 year ago
At 4:56 what does the executioner say...
This is why all movie MUST have CC closed caption or subtitles. So every body every word of the dialog.
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carsanookdotcom 1 year ago
@carsanookdotcom Easiest if you kneel.
showcobfan 1 year ago
@carsanookdotcom i think he says "easiest if you kneel" basically meaning that the execution will be less painful if he was kneeling
Drathgore 1 year ago
How cold is that but I guess if your a killer you have to approach it like that asking the man for his peaches and having just a casual conversation nevermind am going to kill you
mattsmt20 1 year ago
Cicero was portrayed as such a coward in this show, however he had quite a lot of courage in real life. He was a new man who established himself in the patrician dominated roman senate. Quite the feat at the time. History looks kindly on Cicero becuase he was a paragon in oratory and philosophy. At the time however most roman senators detested Cicero.
Humbug26 1 year ago 28
@Humbug26 how is he shown as a coward in this show? he wrote a message to brutus to warn him intead of runnung away, he did not begg for mercy and he respectid the man that was aboud to end his life, he even stoped his slave from saving him, the slave would proplably die but no the less. he did try to pay him off but who would not atleast try to do that.
TheIcelandicPatriot 1 year ago
@Humbug26 The rich and powerful never like the new kid. It is like how the popular kids usually don't like the new kid in school. Or how the bullies always pick on the new kid. It isn't exactly the same thing, but in theory it is the easiest comparison.
riniel17 1 year ago
Cicerón fue asesinado en Caeta, con el corazón destrozado (su amada República perdida para siempre), de luto por la muerte de su hermano (Quinto Tulio Cicerón, también proscrito y ejecutado el día anterior), cubierto de polvo, con el pelo largo y desordenado. Como siempre, tenía un libro con él (Medea, la tragedia de Eurípides). Todos los historiadores coinciden en relatar el coraje y la gallardía con que ofreció su cuello a los esbirros enviados por Marco Antonio (Popilius Laenas y Herennius)
bogotadream1982 1 year ago 3
Well that was quicker than Caesar's death who was stabbed over twenty times. Guess Titus thought "Oh bullocks. Well he's dead anyways, so what's a few weepy farewells?". Rather considerate to ask a proscribed man if he can take a few peaches home.
3baxcb 1 year ago
Cicero couldn't look well on Caesar who had an unforgivable peculiarity, he was as much able as speaker...Cicero was so vain!
Duodecimvultures 1 year ago
I find the fall of the Roman Republic to be one of the most fascinating periods of history. So many themes repeated throughout history: tyrants presenting themselves as champions of the common man, political murder, massacres and terror, mobs roaming the streets, the casting down of laws and rights, and most tragically of all victors writing the history books so that men like Cicero are condemned for their faults and men like the Caesars are admired for their faults.
JonWilde2105 1 year ago 3
Krzychu, kadetem tera! :D
shinji1991 1 year ago
He is the ultimate lawyer!
anythingnew 1 year ago
Scum.. good riddance,nothing but a greedy slum landlord.
Making a fortune renting insulae to poor romans.
nesossin 1 year ago
@nesossin
WE NEED LAWYERS!!!
anythingnew 1 year ago
@anythingnew you like lawyers don't you? :P
nesossin 1 year ago
@nesossin
YES YES YES!!!!
anythingnew 1 year ago
Cicero was a great orator, and an influential politician as well. But he was not from a privileged family. At least not priveleged in Rome and Rome's politics. Cicero was the first of his family to enter the Senate. Since Cicero was from Arpinum, outside of Rome, Cicero was seen as an Homo Novus, a New Man, so don't overestimate his position among his peers.
fokyeah99 1 year ago
Interesting that you view Cicero in the positive way that you do. I don't know about the actual historical figure Cicero, but in HBO's "Rome" I didn't think Cicero was portrayed in a positive manner. My impression of him from this series was that he was a wealthy senator from a privileged family who cared only about preserving the status quo in Roman society. The status quo being a small privileged class and a large underclass (the Plebs). This is not true democracy or even republicanism.
Stingball22 1 year ago 7
@Stingball22 we must consider those times before...the wealthy class was supposed to keep the moral values (those who were called BONI VIRI)...the aristocrats were corrupted, cicero still believed in those values. the idea of Republic, in the roman society, was different. I view Cicero positively above all for his philosophy and orations...politically i disagree with many of his ideas :)
iongl91 1 year ago 12
@iongl91 I wouldnt like or dislike someone based on politics but beyond mere politics and class-based things, his character develops to aspire to the high courage to die for his country and you come to like him by that.
BiffaTW 5 months ago
@Stingball22 His portrayal is a shadow of the man Cicero was. Of all the Latin writers, Cicero's were the most widely available during the Dark Ages inspiring education. His writings are credited to have influenced The Renaissance, the Founding Father's of the United States and the French Revolution. True, he was not a perfect man and defended the status quo you refer to in contrast with the reforms Cesar desired. Love him/hate him, but he was a unique and influential human, key to our history.
magog1138 1 year ago 3
@Stingball22 Cicero should be judged more by his politics than his portrayed hollywood demeanor. His political idea was based on the thought that if given enough power a man will eventually dissolve the Republic and become a king, ruling over Rome (an idea very feared during the time Cicero lived). He was actually right; eventually Octavian by defeating Antony became Rome's first emperor and dissolved the Senate, just as Antony probably would have done had he defeated Octavian.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 Actually, Octavian never considered himself an emperor or a king. You are wrong to assert he dissolved the Senate, he did no such thing, in fact the Roman Senate was never dissolved by any of the so called emperors. He took on the title of princeps, which means first among men, NOT Prince, king or even emperor.
tonylast47 1 year ago 2
@tonylast47 many writers, like seneca or tacitus, asserted that even though the senate still existed, it was only appareance: it had no power!
iongl91 1 year ago 10
@tonylast47 even though i was beat to it, its been said by most Roman historians that Octavian left the appearance of the Senate while making all the senators his own personal allies/assistants, and taking away their power to make laws although never revealing this knowledge to the public. So yes he sis become an emperor although he stayed away from that title as Romans always feared being ruled by another monarch.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@Stingball22 "While there's life, there's hope" Cicero.
Shundra 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Cicero was not from a privileged family, and he is widely respected as the father and/or patron saint of modern oratory. Historically, he was an intelligent, educated, and unbelievably eloquent man.
The show did him no justice.
mrgabest 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Can you tell me anybody in the sereis who was portrayed postively ? Pullo perhaps , a Gambler , Drunkard , Murderer , Psychopathic Beserker , Philanderer , murdered his second wife (who was pregantt by him ) because she poisoned his first wife , (whose first Husband ,Pullo Killed in a Jealous rage )
yet a loyal friend , a man who saved the life of Vorenus and laid down his own life many times , for the sake of his friend and his family .
There are no one dimensional people
Gommerell 1 year ago
@Stingball22
Cicero was actually what's known as a "novus homo", or new man. That means he was newly raised from a plebian family that hadn't been of senatorial class before. He wasn't really from a privileged family.
tazgrento 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Cicero was for the Republic which had served Rome very well up until the late Republic when the senate became bloated and the men corrupt. Although it was probably to save his way of life that he fought against Caesar, it was also for the idea of a Republic.
Ninjaheman 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Cicero was not a patrician nor from the senatorial class, from an 'equestrian' background. he was a novus homo, being the first in his family to hold office, It was very unusual for a man to become consul outside of these senatorial classes, which proves Cicero was an exceptional character. If you ever read his letters you’ll feel warmth towards him, a man who tries and fails to prevent the demise of his beloved republic. Roman was a oligarchic republic, and so is a democracy,
pander48 1 year ago
@pander48 Cicero was an interesting character, he ran Rome for a while but Octavian and Antony were writing another story
melvert33 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Yeah,.He talked a good game,.but didnt back up his words with much action,..He was more for a rule of the few than the rule of one,.but nowhere near democracy
wrenzaga1 1 year ago
@Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
cleek90 1 year ago
@Stingball22 @Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
cleek90 1 year ago
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@Stingball22 @Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
cleek90 1 year ago
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@Stingball22 @Stingball22 cicero was not part of the wealthy elite from birth, he was a "new man", a person from a lower class who by merit achieves senate status. thats why he is always in the middle of the senate, never being fully accepted by the patricians but his influence is undoubtable. In fact in season one he talks about how he must polish his name because it isnt as shiny as brutus and pompey and cato all of whom come from the upper class.
cleek90 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Interestingly, Cicero was actually a "novus homo" (new man) - a man NOT from the governing class who rose to great honours. Like many who adopt values not traditionally part of their heritage, he was in fact more vocal in his support of those values than most. Doubtless he felt that he owed much to the system that allowed him to achieve consulship and a seat in the senate on his own merits, not because of who his father was.
frizbe666 1 year ago
@frizbe666 One could more convincingly argue that he SHOULD HAVE been a man who would not forget where he came from and would therefore chose to champion the cause of the majority underclass in Rome instead of fighting for the rights of the governing class which was already quite overpriviledged.
Stingball22 1 year ago
@Stingball22 Their was was a reason he was not a democrat as democracy was considered bad at the time how did Aristotle put it mob rule, the corrupted 'polity.' As for Republic it is in its literal Latin nothing more than a public place, thus any state that is not ruled by Monarchy is thus a republic so a aristocratic oligarchy is still a republic. What Cicero was was a man trying to perseve the traditional values and institutions and most importantly laws of the republic.
HoundogAlex 1 year ago
@Stingball22
hen HBO got it wrong bro Cicebro be no boni faggot
CICEBRO 10 months ago
@Stingball22 Actually, he was not from a prominent family; he hated the aristocrats. Cicero was a homo novus, a new man, which meant he had little; he earned his wealth, which is more than can be said for many Romans. He did preserve the status quo, however, but he must be viewed in comparison to his enemies; Caesar, Verres, Catillina, Crassus and Octavian were ruthless and power-hungry men.
LiberalIntervention 8 months ago
@Stingball22 Don't you rekon that Cicero's death was very dignified, i like how they both acknowledged that it is a task that needed to be done =)
berflaberab2 4 months ago
...abgesehen von der "fast erschießungs szene" in Die Geächteten von Ernst von Salomon und Ernst Jüngers geradezu aufgegeilten Schilderungen des fast verblutens am Schlachtfeld...bietet Rome die ärgsten und geilsten Todesszenen!
TheAufeinneues 1 year ago
That scene is awful....
TheAlistairDick 1 year ago
Read Robert Harris' "Lustrum", its a recreation of Slave Tiro's biography of Cicero, it is not biased either, and you will not finish it and favour Caesar as much. It also depicts Cicero as a boasting man with little to support his name as past glories go into the pages of history.
InarusT 1 year ago 4
@InarusT i read CONSPIRATA by harris (i don't know if the original english version keeps the latin title), that's a good one
iongl91 1 year ago 3
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InarusT 1 year ago
@InarusT i found that LUSTRUM is the english title for CONSPIRATA which is the title of the italian version that i read....it's the second book of a trilogy on cicero
iongl91 1 year ago
@iongl91 I think Conspirita is a different title for Lustrum (Lustrum being Latin for a five year period). I can't see why they would have different titles though and I don't think its a sequel.
InarusT 1 year ago
@InarusT
Is any man a hero to his valet ?
Gommerell 1 year ago
@InarusT its called "imperium" in norway.. read it ....good bokk.
ornlo 1 year ago
Damn thats gotta hurt like a bitch lol
TheGhostfacekilla86 1 year ago
man the guy who played Cicero really nailed it.
Stantzs 1 year ago
@Stantzs
I agree A genius But the other actors are very good as well , His devoted slave , and his executioner . the whole series is a masterpiece
Gommerell 1 year ago
Perhaps the death of the greatest man.
ofnair 1 year ago
@ofnair
He is the greatest lawyer!
anythingnew 1 year ago
I would recommend everyone here to read Michael Parentis excellent "The Assassination of Julius Ceasar - A peoples history of ancient Rome". It gives quite another picture of Cicero and Ceasar than what we are used to. See also this lecture: v=_IO_Ldn2H4o
RV56 1 year ago
Historical Cicero was a staunch anti-democrat, a demagogue and a bragging hypocrite. The most contemptible scoundrel in history. Gaius Julius Ceasar on the other hand was a good, brave and righteous man.
RV56 1 year ago
@RV56 caesar minded his own business too...cicero belonged to a different political party...both great men
iongl91 1 year ago
@RV56 Cicero was the greatest orator of Ancient Rome, Caeser was not good, brave certainly, but not good, at least not before his gallic wars. He was a political tyrant even before he became recognised as the conqueror of Gaul.
InarusT 1 year ago
@InarusT Politically Ceasar was of the populares, like the Gracchi or Gaius Marius. This faction wanted to reform the Roman empire by increasing democracy and strengthening the working and middle classes. They were violently opposed by the arch-conservative optimate-faction (including Cicero) and often murdered by death squads. It is the same today. Those who fight for the people (like Allende or Chavez) are attacked by never ending propaganda and if that does not help they are killed.
RV56 1 year ago
@RV56 Totally true.
DaRocker21 1 year ago
@CiceroFIN Cicero didn't give a shit for the ordinary citizen. Middle and lower class meant nothing to him. He cared nothing for his nation. Caius Julius and Caius Octavian Caesar made life better for the lower and middle class.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
What is he putting on the paper after finishing writing his note, something to prevent the ink from smudging?
snipetracker 1 year ago
@snipetracker It's to preserve the ink so it doesn't fade or bleed into the papyrus.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
hahahahah @ 2:39 "leave em alone'
druha10304 1 year ago
Order 66
Kampex 1 year ago
@Kampex this happened in real life many times,it was called proscription and star wars most likely aped after that.
KINGKENNYTHEHOLY 1 year ago
Caesars Eagle watching above great symbolic movie stuff. That's brutal jesus christ!!!
MindingMyOwnBiz 1 year ago
@MindingMyOwnBiz Interesting point , I never thought of Caesars Eagle . I just Thought he looked at the bird flying high above and most of thought , How beautiful , and what a beautiful life it is . And all the things you might fret about , after all you only have a few minutes left on earth , just dissolved into a resignation to his fate .
he was leaving the earthly World very nobly
Gommerell 1 year ago
@MindingMyOwnBiz Interesting point , I never thought of Caesars Eagle . I just Thought he looked at the bird flying high above
and most of thought , How beautiful , and what a beautiful life it is . And all the things you might fret about , after all you only have a few minutes left on earth , just dissolved into a resignation to his fate .
he was leaving the earthly World very nobly
Gommerell 1 year ago
I would have run like a little girl.
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago
Cicero was a great man, a person who really loved his country
KaiSuTeknon315 1 year ago
@KaiSuTeknon315 yeah we get it,you read a book about Augustus "catching" his kid reading a book written by Cicero..
KINGKENNYTHEHOLY 1 year ago
@KaiSuTeknon315 He loved being rich. He could have cared less about the plebs. That's why he defied Caesar. If he liked the fact that the people were getting the land that the nobility stole from them, he wouldn't have sided with Pompey. He was a coward. However, he was still a genius.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
his death sounds and feels like a knife going into an apple
SadismIsJustAHobby 1 year ago
are u guys naive or didnt pay attention what this prick has said over and over again he an brutus and the other ones who killed caesar look down on the normal people for example cicero cant accept vorenus as a senator he thinks he is not worthy and lets not forget they reject caesars bill to employ the citizens instead of slaves this so called noble men just looked out for their own interests and not for the people thank god pullo gave this basterd what he deserved
subzero128 1 year ago
"Domine!"
MagnificentFiend 1 year ago
@MagnificentFiend True, vocative would sound better - but we must consider, that in english, there shouldn't any inflections except the nominative singular and plural.
GodmyX 1 year ago
@GodmyX Sure, I just think that if they're gonna insist on using Latin in an English-language programme, they should use it correctly.
MagnificentFiend 1 year ago
That scene with Cicero's servant... so touching!
Renton6echo 1 year ago
Cicero was a great orator..
freehee2 1 year ago
i don't get why pullo killed cicero?
vipdoniser 1 year ago 2
@vipdoniser Mark Antony ordered him to and Also chop his hands off amd Nail them to the Senate door , Which Pullo did Cicero refused to be a Poodle for Antony
Gommerell 1 year ago
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Someon once told me that the pen is mightier then the sword,doese it still hold true in the case of Cicero ( the pen ) and Anthony ( the sword ) ???
KhmerSerey1 1 year ago
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KhmerSerey1 1 year ago
Years later, Octavian (one of the men responsible for proscribing Cicero, essentialy putting him on a hit-list) would later come upon one of his grandsons reading a book by Cicero. The boy tried to conceal the book, fearing the reaction of his grandfather. Octavian, now called Augustus, took the book from his grandson, read a part of it, and then handed the volume back, saying: "He was a learned man, dear child, a learned man who loved his country."
WholeWorldJumped 1 year ago 16
i thought it was antony who wanted him to be proscribed as cicero had written the Filippicae against him before.
iongl91 1 year ago 7
@iongl91 ye antony was the one who really wanted him dead but octavian allowed him to do it. he could have stopped it, but didnt.
lucullus66 1 year ago
@lucullus66 Antony hated Cicero because Cicero had Antony's step dad executed when he was a little kid according to Plutarch.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@iongl91 octavian argued against it for two days, and reportedly regretted it his entire life.
Citizen247 1 year ago
@iongl91 Yeah, Octavian argued against it but Marc Antony got his way eventually.
mrchrisdavis09 1 year ago
@iongl91 yes, supposedly Octavian resisted having Cicero killed, but it was probably for political reasons (fears that he would be a martyr), Antony hated him
BattlestarPegasus 1 year ago
@WholeWorldJumped
Antony was the primary force behind Cicero's proscription. Octavian actually made an effort in the Senate to spare him, but relented for the sake of the Triumvirate.
Falor5151 1 year ago
@WholeWorldJumped He still killed him tougth xD
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@WholeWorldJumped how nice of you to copy and paste from wikipedia
tycobbjung 1 year ago
@tycobbjung He may have wrote it for all you know haha