Australian Flag Debate (60 Minutes Australia) part 2

[flackz16]

Funny how that republican calls it England's flag, does he not realise the union jack is the UK's flag?

You know your on the wrong side when Pauline Hanson is on your side...

[AFFTL]

I'm not a big Pauline Hanson flag but ''Its not so much the flag its what it repersents'' is true. And at the moment a part of that flag is repersenting the United Kingdom not Australia.

[plusplusplusplusp]

I'm sick of these sensationalistic, one-sided reports on 60 Minutes. Really, what do a bunch of schoolkids know about what the flag should look like? And what is all this nonsense about the flag being somehow outdated because Australia is no longer a British colony? Culture does not have an expiry date and the flag is part of our culture! The Australian flag is a much-loved symbol of our country which may not have been universally so in earlier times but it is now, and will stay that way.

[freedomandpeacesos]

@plusplusplusplusp Whats the chances of a red flag one day? (:o

[plusplusplusplusp]

@freedomandpeacesos

Meh.

[sully1394]

You closed minded fool. The purpose of asking the kids was to emphasis the point that it is these generation of people that will decide the continuation of the current flag. Piss the union jack off. It is not Australian and therefore should not be the National symbol of this country.

[plusplusplusplusp]

@sully1394

Kids enjoy novelty, so of course they're going to say that the flag should be changed. And the fact that the Union Jack is not 100% true-blue Australian doedn't mean it shouldn't be on the flag -- it is an acknowledgement of our heritage.

[sully1394]

@plusplusplusplusp

To say it is part of OUR heritage is wrong. It is part of some Australian's heritage. But what about the people that were here 70 thousand years before the colinisation of Australia don't they deserve more recignition than the Biritsh even though the majority of the convicts were Irish. Let me ask you a hyperthetical question. If someone asks you what country are you from do you say my heritage is Britain but i'm Australian, or do you say i'm 100% True blue Aussie?

[plusplusplusplusp]

@sully1394

You make a valid point in saying the jack only represents part of Australia's heritage, but the British were the ones who started the large-scale settlement and development of the continent. To tell you the truth, I think the union jack (even if it is not representitive of all the peoples that inhabit the country) looks good on the flag. The current flag, with its nice colour balance, is well-liked by Australians today regardless of background. It works.

[sully1394]

@plusplusplusplusp

No dought the flag looks nice with its balance of colours, personally I like the flag itself, but it is that symbol in the top left hand corner that I don't like and for what it stands for. When you say large scale settlement and development you almost sound as if the British were exited in finding this beautiful land to the south that they could develop and settle, but the fact is they were exited in finding a place to dump there convicts.

[plusplusplusplusp]

@sully1394

Okay, it seems about the flag we can agree to disagree. You don't like the union jack, and I don't mind it. It's true that the British originally settled the continent as a penal outpost, but once free settlers came, the convict dumpings trickled and economic activity picked up it became a 'true' colony and is now a modern, developed country we're lucky to live in.

[sully1394]

@plusplusplusplusp

That is true but in summation I believe the union jack on the Australian flag will go the why as did the old national anthyem 'God save the Queen'. It will become a distant memory.

[freedomandpeacesos]

@sully1394 I noticed you made reference to the Aboriginals ("But what about the people that were here 70 thousand years before the colinisation") in your response to plusplusplusplusp. If you did not notice, plusplusplusplusp,did not give a response to this question.You raised a legitimate question that is probably more important to debate than anything else.The Aboriginals, what about the Aboriginals, how do they feel about this, has either of you spoken to any of them and asked that question?

[sully1394]

@freedomandpeacesos Im not sure if your reinforceing my argument or discrediting it. However I did ask my aboriginal friend what he thought of the Australian flag and he said this " The Southern Cross represents my home. The blue represents what surrounds my home, and the union jack reprsents another people and their home'.

[freedomandpeacesos]

@plusplusplusplusp Did you conveniently sidestep the issue of the Aboriginal people or did you forget?

[plusplusplusplusp]

@freedomandpeacesos

I did not try to sidestep the Indigenous issue, nor did I forget it. What the settlers did to the Aboriginal people was wrong and they deserve sympathy and recognition. (I've got to say, though, that an Australian flag with the Aboriginal flag in the corner doesn't look good and the Aboriginal flag's designer disapproves).

[Seattlecarnut]

I'm not from Australia, nor have I ever visited Australia, but I love Australia. I believe that the flag they currently have represents all Australia, that it should represent all Australians, just as the Union Jack represents the United Kingdom and Old Glory (Stars and Stripes) flag is the United States of America.

[andinando]

so u dickhead if we change it whats to stop people from using the new flag looking for blacks to beat up. its not that flags fault u dumb bastard

[xinistri]

We are now a different people? What a silly comment... Of course we are different people, the government has done it's best to ensure our demographic makeup has changed to the point where in most capital cities the majority of 50 years ago are now a minority in their own city

[xinistri]

And this Australia is a multicultural so let's have a flag that everybody likes is a pathetic arguement. Let's have a cow a turban and a chinese dragon on it to make them feel more welcome?

[xinistri]

The Union Jack is a wonderful symbol of our heritage. Leave it as it is you treasonous fool.

[arnbo88]

Once again Ray Martin only tells his point of view. Don't let the truth get in the way.

[kuliwil]

@arnbo88 it was obviously an opinion piece arnbo88. Try getting an alternative view out of the Herald Sun which treats right-wing opinion as news. Mr. Martin, if you are reading this, nice opinion piece.