@Mrgyn yeah judo has always beaten the gracies i 100% agree with u. kimura submitted gracie and u have pretty much the 2 people who started both sport nd judo was victorious
Everyone says BJJ stole judos technique, look They BOTH took techniques from japanes jiu jitsu hate to tell you morons, all the techniques come from there. if judo was more popular at the time maeda took it to brazil it would be called Brazillian Judo. i do both arts and they can both beat each other it's not the art its the athlete
This was Kage Kombat, an event that used to be held every month in a night club in San Pedro, California. It was one of the only places where you could consistently see MMA during the "dark ages."
yes, i know that there are SOME effective submissions/sweeps where u use your own gi, but it doesn't outweigh the disadvantages of your opponent being able to control you much better. So in conclusion, you're wrong... it DOESN'T give you an advantage. anyone who's had enough grappling experience would know this.
Yea, I would go no Gi. Wearing a gi is asking for just so much control. Think of it as you, in swimming trunks, fighting someone on Venice, or your local beachs boardwalk, wearing a sweater, or baggy clothes...
I practice Judo and have practice BJJ with some great friends and teachers. I have learned a lot from them, and I have taught them a lot also. I even have a blue belt from Flavio Behring, a direct student from Helio Gracie, may I say the highest ranking belt nongracie from Helio. Even Behring is a Judo black belt, and very proud of it.
Diego tooling karo???????? hahah what the fuck are you talking about? That was one of the closest fights! Diego only one the last round karo had 1 and 2 clearly it should have been a split decision for karo...Even a blind man could have seen that lol karo is one of the BEST judoka in MMA yea there are lot of judo guys BUT no one adopts it like karo its a proven FACT!!!
ps the kid is 16 and this fool is 30 you dont see this kind of shit..go karo
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Typical my ass. Gracie Jiu jitsu will beat every other singe martial art. It has been proven, time and time again, for about a century. However, much of a fight depends on the practitioner. In this case, you have an excellent judoka in Karo, vs. a novice GJJ guy. Not that Karo wouldn't beat most Black belts. However, you are delusional. And, as a fighter myself, I'd love to prove to you how wrong you are.
why is it whenever bjj loses its always to judo, karo isnt even a "world class" judoka, hes either a first or second dan but hes one of the best in the world at converting it to mma
BJJ didn't lose, this fat, novice guy lost. Judo didn't win, Karo did. You have to look at the averages. I'd say an average BJJ guy beats and average Judoka 95% of the time. My opinion is based on what I've seen, and what I've done. I've only been taken down by a Judo guy once. I am a greco/freestyle wrestler too. From my experience, the fight usually goes this way, we clinch, The second the start to set up a throw, I body lock them, take there back, and apply a rear naked choke.
I need look no further than my own experience. I have never seen a Judo guy beat a BJJ guy. I have only been taken down by a Judo guy once (because I was kneeing him, my mistake, not his credit.) In all fairness, I'm not just a BJJ guy. I do whatever works, however, overall, BJJ has a vast array of things better than Judo...as does wrestling.
ok in person ive never seen a bjj guy ever beat a judoka, even in newaza matches judo here always wins. bjj has nothing judo doesnt, other than the inverted guard or twister guard which is glamorous shit that doesnt work in real fights
If you've never seen it, then you've never seen them compete. And I've never seen anyone knocked out from a Judo throw. The throws are impractical, and sports oriented. You want to talk about glamorous shit?
if you never seen anyone get knocked out from a judo throw then you've never seen real judo cuz it happens a lot. and the throws are impractical? judos not just a sport of throws thats just one way to win a match. and i dont know whats more boring, watching bjjers doing stand up, or bjjers finishing fights with the same 3 moves
alright well ive never seen bjj used in a real street style fight but i can imagine pulling guard while fighting multiple opponets would not be a wise choice. judo in real life has saved my life
Oh yeah, fuck no. Last week, I fought two people at once (not in an "angry fight",) but I never go to the ground. I might slam people, but to go down is foolish. However, I got kicked in the balls super hard, and had to take one down. Things change, but yeah, going to the ground in a fight against multiple people is dumb. Unless it is with a flying armbar, and you break it, etc.
Yeah, and what I did was probably a Judo throw...only, I know it by a different name from Greco. As Bon Jovi would say "It's all the same...only the names have changed." It is a good strategy, especially in real life on concrete.
your ignorance goes beyond reason. first of all the throws are not impractical and sports oriented, they're actually more self defense oriented. leg sweeps are practical for fights where the person has experienced in avoiding throws or in sports where everyone knows how to avoid it. and btw everything you do in your bjj is taken from judo its just you practice more on ground techniques so its not art vs art anymore.
Shut up. You're no different than someone arguing about your religion. You have what is called a "belief perseverance," and it's annoying. I've trained in both Judo and in BJJ, and no they are not the same. "Everything 'I' do;" bullshit. Judo has it's uses, and is fun...but that doesn't mean it is real world applicable. I have never been taken down by a Judoka in a fight....not that that means it doesn't work; just not on me. This is what is called a "testimony."
All three came from Bujitsu prior to 1600. A lot of the really ugly bone breaking techniques were left out to make these more competitive sports as opposed to battelfield fights to the death.
@saberman41 thats completely false,everything you mention was judo up to ww2.Bjj has specialised in the guard and developed guard variations that were never in judo.
@billysue2 Wtf judo never made sweeps and guard passes i go to a dojo with 3 bjj black belts and 5 judo black belts including a 5th degree and 4th degree sure they made some but not as many and not with as much depth
@saberman41 look,it doesnt matter what youre dojo does,everywhere is different depending on coach,some dont do much newaza at all.There a vid on youtube of oda sensei doing lots of stuff evryone thinks is bjj.
@imarayda bjj has virtually nothing to do with japjitsu,judo is a vastly improved combination of classical jj and bjj is directly evolved from that.Carlos gracie never learned japjitsu,he learned judo,the rest came about through crosstraining and trial and error.
@imarayda FAIL!!! You're both wrong, BJJ derived from Kodokan Judo not Judoka( a master of judo) and added a hell of lot of ground game and took alot of the focus away from all the throws to focus on the ones that have a higher effectiveness percentage. And Judo came from the study of thousands of years of Jujutsu Ryu filtering out the less effective techniques to focus on the ones that work in practice, not just theory. Buy some books, google, wiki it or something.
@TIMLINGLE i just said it was judo,all judo at the time was kodokan.They didnt add any ground techs to it either,it already had them,when tournaments got more popular selection pressure forced the creation of new guard variations,passes,sweeps and set ups and the addition of some wrestling takedowns.The same would have happened in judo if they hadnt stifled newaza in comps to please spectators.I dont need to buy any books,ive read them all.
@billysue2 judo has changed very much to emphisize the stand up part to they arent really putting any ground technique in some dont teach ground they just tell there students to crawl out of bounds so the match will start standing
@billysue2 I'm quite certain that you haven't read them all, I'm sure you've read a few and would actually like to know if you have any to recomend, the only one I have is the Canon of Judo by Kyuzo Mifune and then the internet and friends. And I was talking to the person that my comment is directed to and the person below him that said it came from ''Judoka''. My comment was quite clear, but seriously you need to not be so arrogant as to think you know have attained all the knowledge.
@TIMLINGLE ive read all thats available buts some of it is obviously biased to judo or bjj.The cannon is a terrible instructional book and very poorly written / translated.There are no judo books with decent newaza,bjj is the source of that info.Take a look at oda senseis clips on youtube,he was 1 of the original kosed judoka charged with improving kodokan newaza,hirata sensei was his last living student and hes now dead.Thats the judo carlos gracie learned in 1917.
@TIMLINGLE bjj was exactly the same as judo with weak throws for most of the 20th century,helio changed nothing except the importance of the guard because he had no standup.Carlson,Rolls and later generations really accelerated bjj guard developement beyond judo but its still basically judo just like 10th planet is still bjj,not a different art.
@billysue2 go roll with a 10th planet blue belt even and then say that it's basically judo or bjj, its like saying that they're all basically wrestling and that wrestling is basically fighting. Or to say that 10th planet JJ is basically BJJ is like saying chinese boxing and american boxing are the same. Even shotokan karate is different from kyokushin karate, you're being too ''basic'' and narrow minded.
@TIMLINGLE i have rolled with several 10th planet blues and purples and the only things i didnt recognise were the set ups,everything else was bjj.Since eddie has only ever studied bjj and some high school wrestling,it has to be from those styles.For the record i also consider bjj to be a subset of judo as it was in the early 20th century.
@imarayda no I think your full of crap, I'd school you more but you called the man who is arguably the greatest contributor to the ground game a 'jap'. No response needed.
@TIMLINGLE its in one of the gracie documentaries that helio learned jj from a japanese guy then modified it since he wasnt as strong or athletic. Then called it gracie jj
@imarayda I'll answer because you didn't use any racial slurs in your response, Carlos was the one who learned the ground game from a japanese judoka (Mitsuyo Maeda), who was and is still regarded by many as the ''toughest man who ever lived'', anyways Carlos was an instructor for the school and Helio (being small and weak) was by doctors orders not able to particapate, Carlos wasnt able to make it to a class one day and there were students waiting.
@TIMLINGLE Helios had been watching his brothers since an age of 14 and studied the art from the sidelines. He was 16 when he offered to instruct his brothers class, the technicality that he brought to it as a weaker guy was very appealing to the students and they asked Carlos if Helios would instruct further classes, thus beginning Helios development of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. But don't just listen to me, investiagte and you may be able to find out something I couldn't. Awesome to see the interest.
@MarshBlumpkinXXL thats true for the most part but they might as well since judo doesnt use them since before the ww2.BJJ has preserved and evolved what judo was supposed to be.
@billysue2 it did wat judo was supposed to do for a while, but now it is basically mutating again for the worst. basically BJJ is heading in the same direction as judo, only its putting all its emphasis on newaza and not tachiwaza.
@Snoochy2006 theres virtually nothing from catch in bjj,its a completely different philosophy and strategy and very rarely was no gi practised in bjj until relatively recently.
@billysue2 Umm a kimura, lol. Armbar and leglocks are Catch Wrestling terms. I agree the philosophy is completely different, but the submissions them selves are date longer then BJJ and Judo.
@Snoochy2006 how the jaysus can a kimura be a catchwrestling term,its ude garami that the brazilians renamed in honour of masahiko kimura.the technique has been in classical jujitsu for 100s of years before judo.Armbars and leglocks arent catchwrestling terms,theyre the english names of techs from several grappling systems,jap jujutsu included which is where bjj got all its locks.
@billysue2 lol dude! are you being serious right now?? do you really think that there is nothing form catch wrestling in bjj? you either do not have a grip on history or you dont know much about catch wrestling.
@luchador1764 i dont think it has no influence,i know it had no influence.BJJ is exclusively judo and some wrestling takedowns were added over time and also natural developements by experience.Tell me what aspect of bjj comes from catch?Id be very interested.
well, I don't mean to be nosy, but u haven't exactly fought against a real good Judoka, like Karo for example... and also, just because a move didn't work doesn't mean it never works, is like wrestling.. a double leg might work on a boxer, but not against another good wrestler.. it all depends on the situation.. and also, BJJ might not be the same now, but it was derived from Jap-JJ...and Judo.. is just been improved and perfected to work on the ground.... so, ur right about "not same" in a way
Very very true. That's my point. I'm not denying that. Karo would throw me around like nothing, but that's just it, he's exceptional at it. Akiyama, Sokoudjou, Yoshida...they'd all chuck me around.
My point is that you do have be really good to make it work. I've gone up against mediocre BJJ guys and had more trouble than against very good Judo guys. Again, it's more on the individual than the art.
Machida is a good example of this. He is good, not necessarily his style.
well yeah, i get what you mean, and your right.. it does depend on the person using it because they need to know what they're doing and be good at it... the martial art is just a weapon, but the fighter needs to know how to use it... any fighting style even as simple as boxing can be deadly in the hands of a real fighter, every discipline is good, but the one who will win is the one who is more prepared...
Spot on. Everyone thinks that there are superior martial art styles, like muay thai for stand-and-strike. Wrestling for ground-and-pound and BJJ for Submissions. But your right, all that really matters in a cage (or ring in my case) is who is better versed in their system.
I would like to add to this. Conditioning and shape > technique. Whoever is in better shape has a better chance of winning a fight. Usually if a person in really good shape goes up against someone that only practices technique, i can assure you that the guy in better shape will win.
well that depends..look at BJ penn..now he's training hard so he's really good..but before he used to be a lazy ass who won because he was a "prodigy", not cus he trained hard..cus he never trained hard.. only after GSP wooped him he learned his lesson..and im glad he did cus now i respect him.. so it depends, remember not all disciplines use alot of cardio or strength,for example BJJ..in a fight u have to bc and know something..but in the end..is all about chance..anything can happen..
It seems you are a kid which does not know about the history of UFC or Judo and BJJ. BJJ comes from Judo, a Judo master was sent to America to teach Judo by his founder, Jigoro Kano, that master later went to Brasil and taught Judo. Not Jiujitsu, but JUDO. Many Gracie jiujitsu scholars does not understanded why they changed the name or why it was not called Brazilian Judo. Reality is it was modified, even though Gracie Jiujitsu has most basic Judo throws, BJJ techers do not teach them.
Don't assume anything about me. I know all about the history of Judo. And I agree that BJJ isn't necessarily better than Judo. It is all about the practitioner. However, in a real life situation, BJJ is better for self defense. Judo was formed as a sport, "judoka" means Judo...player. It is a game. It still has its uses, but that does not change its history.
it wasn't formed as a sport, it was formed to be a martial art- self defence etc, it was then put forward as a sport for the olympics and then derived from there
Judo has been modified through the years, adapting to new styles (sambo, wrestling and now BJJ) the great thing about Judo is that, like a sponge, it absorbs everything that works (look at French, Russian, Italian and Brazilian judo fighters they are good newaza fighters)Judo adapted in the 1970's because of Sambo and German style Judo. Even Royce Gracie and borthers went to a Neil Adams (Judo world champion) school to learn the armbars. Helio sent them to the Mehdi Judo school in Ipanema.
Be aware, I am not saying that Judo is better, but I assure you that BJJ is not better. The MMA history talks by itself, Judo fighters are tough, and have given BJJ big loses to the point that the Gracie mistique has been questioned. Gracies have the credit for starting UFC, but they handpicked fighters for Royce Gracie to win. Oleg Taktarov was asking for Gracie since UFC 1, but Rorion always declined. Oleg even went to visit Torrance school, and he schooled with his SPORT Judo and Sambo.
No, not at all. If you look at top fighters, to see what they train in; 95% of the time it is BJJ. In MMA, the best fighter is superior, however, style wise, that fighter is usually well versed in BJJ. Judo doesn't focus on finishing; and don't say it does. I personally have submitted plenty of Judoka, 6 in a row once, and I wasn't as good then as I am now, and I'm not even a Purple Belt. The only successful Judoka in MMA are Karo, Yoshida, Yoshida, Nakamura,Emelianenkos, and Sokoudjou.
Caoul Uno, Oleg Taktarov (national Judo champ) Daiju Takase(defeated a Gracie) Akira Shoji (defeated Wallid Ismael, the BJJ man who choked out Royce Gracie) Paulo Fihlo (Brazil BJJ champ, contracted by Crocop for Fedor fight) Yoshihiro Akiyama Japan champion, Hector Lombard, Naoya Ogawa,
and Don Fry 2nd Dan(finished Bitteti), John Lewis beat Carlson Gracie jr, Igoe Zinoviev Battlecade Champion (finished Mario Sperry, Bjj black belt and Judo black belt under Mehdi), and Shinya Aoki, Yushin Okami, Pawel Nastula (He is always winning till he gasses, age factor)
Don Frye was a wrestler first and foremost, then a boxer, with some Judo experience. How about submission fighting? Barnett has been schooling Judo. What about the early UFCs, and Gracie challenges. Rickson Gracie once fought the Japanese Judo team. He was submitting them one after another, at about 30 seconds each. What about BJ Penn? What about GSP and Diego tooling Karo? How about Nogueira crushing Nastula? Or Machida choking out Sokoudjou? It goes on and on, at a micro level too.
Don Frye is a 2nd dan in Judo, he had his judo gi, with his black belt when he entered to fight Yoshida in Pride FC. Barnett is a California Judo champ like Ricco Rodriguez. Nogueira brothers were judokas till age 18 when they started to do BJJ
Yes, I already know about Don Frye. Barnett and Rodriguez are both wrestlers first and foremost. Ricco a state Champ, Barnett a submission/catch wrestler. And yes, the Nogueiras converted to something better. Look, all of this is the same, what you call a jujigatame, I call an armbar...however, the move is still the same. It is about the practitioner, and the circumstances. BJJ (for the most part) is real life, Judo is a game.
Great fight by the young Karo, the other guy didn't look bad either.
Kanotoa 2 months ago
I think.judo is one of the best martial arts
Freddyrua85 5 months ago
@Freddyrua85 it is my friend it is;)
momo200090 2 months ago
@Mrgyn yeah judo has always beaten the gracies i 100% agree with u. kimura submitted gracie and u have pretty much the 2 people who started both sport nd judo was victorious
wo0oo1 7 months ago
@Mrgyn i wouldnt consider any judo black belt, a low level judo practitioner
aplagueuponearth 10 months ago
@Mrgyn id have to disagree. ive seen countless videos of the gracie brothers entering judo tournaments, and getting 1st place
aplagueuponearth 10 months ago
@aplagueuponearth
Kimura killed gracies.. that's a high level judoka.
Local judo tournaments are pretty weak..
OVERCAPITALIZE 6 months ago
wow a 16 year old teenager fighting in mma!
enkhbattsenguun 11 months ago
ALICE IN CHAINS IN THE BACKROUND! Best. Event. Ever.
Owntmeal1313 1 year ago
funny the top gracies in MMA have been submitted by Judo guys
stylezNout 1 year ago
Everyone says BJJ stole judos technique, look They BOTH took techniques from japanes jiu jitsu hate to tell you morons, all the techniques come from there. if judo was more popular at the time maeda took it to brazil it would be called Brazillian Judo. i do both arts and they can both beat each other it's not the art its the athlete
haggardthehorrid 1 year ago
honestly judokas will always destroy any graciejj fighter
chilidog1001 1 year ago
@chilidog1001 Sokoudjou is a judoka and he didn't destroy Machida who has a black belt in bjj. It's not the art, but the fighter. Come on man.
BillionDollaBaby94 1 year ago
@BillionDollaBaby94 ok well with the exception of one freak show fight, sakuraba is known as the gracie killer
chilidog1001 1 year ago
@chilidog1001 Sakuraba was a catch wrestler sir, not known as a judoka.
BillionDollaBaby94 1 year ago
great fight , karo is like the yson of judo, overpowered at a very early age, but my god the asian chick form the end was soooo fucking hot.!!!
yogsothoth2099 1 year ago
16 years old and already fighting in such thing, he definilty got some balls
nadhim69 1 year ago
BAM RIGHT IN THE FACE!!!!. karo: did you just hit me did YOU JUST HIT ME bitch you dead now
333ful 1 year ago
he's been doing cage fighting for YEARS under gene lebell. think he's ACE!
darktim99 1 year ago
This was Kage Kombat, an event that used to be held every month in a night club in San Pedro, California. It was one of the only places where you could consistently see MMA during the "dark ages."
Theyellowma 1 year ago
i can see manny gamburyan
666pat666 1 year ago
Karo Parisyan=an inspiration to those of us who don't want to jump on the BJJ/muay thai bandwagon.
stratocaster1986able 1 year ago 10
@stratocaster1986able parisyan is a rude stuck up faggot whos name is known for roids, and getting ko'd by alves
Devon187 8 months ago
hahah... gokor777 is gokor chivitchyan this little fag is lost!!! go karoooo
IN5YOUR5FACE5 1 year ago
wtf would he wear his gi!? fucking retarded
clearlynotstefan 1 year ago
learned everything from gokor chivichyan
gokor777 1 year ago
GOKOR CHIVICHYAN
gokor777 1 year ago
a 17 year old who kicked ASS!!!
IN5YOUR5FACE5 1 year ago
karo has beaten so many fools who were way older than him!! He's experience is unbeliveable!! Beautiful skills!!!!
IN5YOUR5FACE5 1 year ago
um karo was 17 years old here....not 16
HenryFlores 1 year ago
thats irrelevant. he was young.
overthehill91 1 year ago
waht a fucking disgrace, that grown man against karo, jsut a teenager, what a fuckin loser is jennings, maladec karo
angrygunsmith 2 years ago
@angrygunsmith its not jennigs fault that they allowed a 17 year old to fight!
solow626 1 year ago
He's gonna fight he had personal situations! he's skillful and one of the most talented fighters in MMA.. KARO FTW!!
IN5YOUR5FACE5 2 years ago
wats goin on with karo is he gonna fight some more or is he done i heard he has somethin wrong with his head
blusuck 2 years ago
Suspended for 9 months
baffinjigger 2 years ago
lol karo was a lot slimmer
outsidelinebacker99 2 years ago
Karo is one of my favorite fighters, he's is always reppin' judo and he is legit as an mma fighter
ooJDMoo 2 years ago
this guy jenning? train traditional jiu jitsu or bjj?
rohaimie 2 years ago
Bjj. I believe he was a purple under Renzo at the time. Im not positive so dont quote me.
DontAskForHotsauce 2 years ago
lmfao! he beat a grown ass man!
:D
haha he's legit.
dood stop saying jap
its offensive :P
dumbphuck
nd its not juijitsu its
jujutsu
:PPPPP
ACEOFTHEBLITZ 2 years ago
didnt it say his 17..
ArnoAgh 2 years ago
3:45 DMANNN fucken BEAUTIFUL karo was playing with this fool and he was only 16 years old he's a real deal!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
IN5YOUR5FACE5 2 years ago
3:27 FTW
TheGilzam 2 years ago
Hell yea! Uchimata FTW!
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
I know, textbook uchimata, freaking beautiful
ooJDMoo 2 years ago
this looks like a video game in the beginning
xSubliminaLx 2 years ago 3
why the fuck would you wear a gi when you are fighting a judoka
mehrdadofsky 2 years ago 30
Because some people are really retarded
Dosk94 2 years ago
lol thats a good point
Blindedbythelight 2 years ago
i think hes a white belt to
poooooooqqqqqq 2 years ago
@mehrdadofsky lol idk
clokedbigman 1 year ago
@mehrdadofsky lol idk
clokedbigman 1 year ago
@mehrdadofsky yeah thats like giving them a clear advantage, talk about easy highlight reel throws.
Mannypacquia0 1 year ago
@mehrdadofsky LOL ikr!!!
elijahtakushi 1 year ago
@mehrdadofsky
Maybe because he didnt KNOW WHO KARO IS BRO!!!!
Super8hypnosis 1 year ago
Armenian Pride.
Karo Parisyan best of the best in Judo
SovieTiko310 2 years ago
yeah Armenian pride thats right
Yarumian 2 years ago 2
Great match. Good job karo, great sportsmanship.
AlabamaJudo 2 years ago
he was exactly 16
IN5YOUR5FACE5 2 years ago
He was 17 in this video, not 16. What a stupid mistake.
Viktir666 2 years ago
i slap you! i slap you so super hard!
luchador1764 2 years ago
looooooool Karo fooling around with him!!! lmfao!
Raffael900me 2 years ago
lol the other guy doesnt even know what locks and submissions are
Raffael900me 2 years ago
why the fuck was that idiot wearing his gi? was karo being cocky or just gay when he kept fixing his hair?
kamikazefighta 3 years ago
wearing a gi gives you an advantage for submitting your opponent so you can't really call that guy an idiot for wearing it
RenegadeTrojan1 2 years ago
yes, i know that there are SOME effective submissions/sweeps where u use your own gi, but it doesn't outweigh the disadvantages of your opponent being able to control you much better. So in conclusion, you're wrong... it DOESN'T give you an advantage. anyone who's had enough grappling experience would know this.
kamikazefighta 2 years ago
Yea, I would go no Gi. Wearing a gi is asking for just so much control. Think of it as you, in swimming trunks, fighting someone on Venice, or your local beachs boardwalk, wearing a sweater, or baggy clothes...
legendof 2 years ago
its kinda funny watching karo chase and slapping his opponent at 5.36. haha.
RedArtic 3 years ago
haha... ya he was pissed after he got caught with that pretty solid open-hand...
kamikazefighta 3 years ago
Considering you can't punch in Kaged Kombat, it would make sense he at least try that.
LAKingsFan818 3 years ago
Kaged Kombat 16
mthai66 3 years ago
no buddy you're wrong he was exactly 16 he wasn't even 17 yet when the anouncer mentioned I was at this fight!!
And his first MMA fight was in New Mexico when there was no age limit and he was 14!!
IN5YOUR5FACE5 3 years ago
karo was 17 turning 18 at this event!!!!
hye1915 3 years ago
lol I'm sorry, but you don't want to wear a gi in an MMA fight against a JUDO fighter.
Even if you do train in BJJ, you're just going to be launched.
Oneshot112 3 years ago 4
hell yea and punished on the ground
623judoka 3 years ago
NO WAY HES MADE ME MOTIVATED I LOVE KARO
khaledonia 3 years ago
I practice Judo and have practice BJJ with some great friends and teachers. I have learned a lot from them, and I have taught them a lot also. I even have a blue belt from Flavio Behring, a direct student from Helio Gracie, may I say the highest ranking belt nongracie from Helio. Even Behring is a Judo black belt, and very proud of it.
ocharriez74 3 years ago
Diego tooling karo???????? hahah what the fuck are you talking about? That was one of the closest fights! Diego only one the last round karo had 1 and 2 clearly it should have been a split decision for karo...Even a blind man could have seen that lol karo is one of the BEST judoka in MMA yea there are lot of judo guys BUT no one adopts it like karo its a proven FACT!!!
ps the kid is 16 and this fool is 30 you dont see this kind of shit..go karo
IN5YOUR5FACE5 3 years ago
NO BIG DEAL!
hye1915 3 years ago
THE GUY IS A WHITE BELT!
hye1915 3 years ago
the kid is 16 years old!!!!
ocharriez74 3 years ago
the kid is 16 years old!!!!
ocharriez74 3 years ago
WRONG!!!
He's a Blue Belt in BJJ look pause the fight at 1.50!!!
chastell 3 years ago
ayy smart guy! i trained with him for 10 ten years! when say hes a white belt.. that means hes a white belt! yourrrr wrongg not me!!!!
hye1915 3 years ago
Them Bones....very nice.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
Did Karo got the $100,000.00 Gracie challenge award?
ocharriez74 3 years ago 2
Wrong Decade...and when did he beat a Gracie?
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
and Judo doesnt work...
ocharriez74 3 years ago
Obviously it does. However, I tend to agree. I have submitte a whole lot of Judo guys. It is relatively easy to take most of their backs.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
AMEN!!
IN5YOUR5FACE5 3 years ago 2
typical, gracie bitch getting killed by judo
623judoka 3 years ago 3
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Typical my ass. Gracie Jiu jitsu will beat every other singe martial art. It has been proven, time and time again, for about a century. However, much of a fight depends on the practitioner. In this case, you have an excellent judoka in Karo, vs. a novice GJJ guy. Not that Karo wouldn't beat most Black belts. However, you are delusional. And, as a fighter myself, I'd love to prove to you how wrong you are.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
why is it whenever bjj loses its always to judo, karo isnt even a "world class" judoka, hes either a first or second dan but hes one of the best in the world at converting it to mma
623judoka 3 years ago
BJJ didn't lose, this fat, novice guy lost. Judo didn't win, Karo did. You have to look at the averages. I'd say an average BJJ guy beats and average Judoka 95% of the time. My opinion is based on what I've seen, and what I've done. I've only been taken down by a Judo guy once. I am a greco/freestyle wrestler too. From my experience, the fight usually goes this way, we clinch, The second the start to set up a throw, I body lock them, take there back, and apply a rear naked choke.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
look at all the judo vs bjj videos, id say about 30 out of 40 times judo won
623judoka 3 years ago 4
I need look no further than my own experience. I have never seen a Judo guy beat a BJJ guy. I have only been taken down by a Judo guy once (because I was kneeing him, my mistake, not his credit.) In all fairness, I'm not just a BJJ guy. I do whatever works, however, overall, BJJ has a vast array of things better than Judo...as does wrestling.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
ok in person ive never seen a bjj guy ever beat a judoka, even in newaza matches judo here always wins. bjj has nothing judo doesnt, other than the inverted guard or twister guard which is glamorous shit that doesnt work in real fights
623judoka 3 years ago
If you've never seen it, then you've never seen them compete. And I've never seen anyone knocked out from a Judo throw. The throws are impractical, and sports oriented. You want to talk about glamorous shit?
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
if you never seen anyone get knocked out from a judo throw then you've never seen real judo cuz it happens a lot. and the throws are impractical? judos not just a sport of throws thats just one way to win a match. and i dont know whats more boring, watching bjjers doing stand up, or bjjers finishing fights with the same 3 moves
623judoka 3 years ago
Yeah, I agree. Straight BJJ (Oxymoron,)is boring. However, in real life, it is exciting.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
alright well ive never seen bjj used in a real street style fight but i can imagine pulling guard while fighting multiple opponets would not be a wise choice. judo in real life has saved my life
623judoka 3 years ago
Oh yeah, fuck no. Last week, I fought two people at once (not in an "angry fight",) but I never go to the ground. I might slam people, but to go down is foolish. However, I got kicked in the balls super hard, and had to take one down. Things change, but yeah, going to the ground in a fight against multiple people is dumb. Unless it is with a flying armbar, and you break it, etc.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
oh so yea thats like judo there, cuz using judo for stand up is throws and slams
623judoka 3 years ago
Yeah, and what I did was probably a Judo throw...only, I know it by a different name from Greco. As Bon Jovi would say "It's all the same...only the names have changed." It is a good strategy, especially in real life on concrete.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
your ignorance goes beyond reason. first of all the throws are not impractical and sports oriented, they're actually more self defense oriented. leg sweeps are practical for fights where the person has experienced in avoiding throws or in sports where everyone knows how to avoid it. and btw everything you do in your bjj is taken from judo its just you practice more on ground techniques so its not art vs art anymore.
tehpwnrer 2 years ago
Shut up. You're no different than someone arguing about your religion. You have what is called a "belief perseverance," and it's annoying. I've trained in both Judo and in BJJ, and no they are not the same. "Everything 'I' do;" bullshit. Judo has it's uses, and is fun...but that doesn't mean it is real world applicable. I have never been taken down by a Judoka in a fight....not that that means it doesn't work; just not on me. This is what is called a "testimony."
undisputedgreatest 2 years ago
ummm bjj took pretty much all of its moves from judo.
The armbar, the triangle, every throw, all the guards, everything was taken from judo.
MarshBlumpkinXXL 2 years ago 9
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no not really
lileezyejr 2 years ago
both bjj and judo are pretty modern. i think the moves have developed from the more traditional Japanese jujitsu
mehrdadofsky 2 years ago
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Judo is jujitsu just without the punches and the kicks
Dosk94 2 years ago
lmao in jujitsu u dont punch or kick its all scoreing points and submisions
ljones606 2 years ago
you do in jap jits fool
poooooooqqqqqq 2 years ago
in japanese jiu jitsu you do in bjj you don't know what your talking about before you speak
PKtraceur93 2 years ago
there is striking goon atemi waza
poooooooqqqqqq 2 years ago
All three came from Bujitsu prior to 1600. A lot of the really ugly bone breaking techniques were left out to make these more competitive sports as opposed to battelfield fights to the death.
sclaysdharma 2 years ago 3
ur right, i looked it up .....pretty cool
mehrdadofsky 2 years ago
@MarshBlumpkinXXL bjj added more sweeps added guard techniques guard passes cranks escapes and leg locks
saberman41 1 year ago
@saberman41 thats completely false,everything you mention was judo up to ww2.Bjj has specialised in the guard and developed guard variations that were never in judo.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Wtf judo never made sweeps and guard passes i go to a dojo with 3 bjj black belts and 5 judo black belts including a 5th degree and 4th degree sure they made some but not as many and not with as much depth
saberman41 1 year ago
@saberman41 look,it doesnt matter what youre dojo does,everywhere is different depending on coach,some dont do much newaza at all.There a vid on youtube of oda sensei doing lots of stuff evryone thinks is bjj.
billysue2 1 year ago
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R4St4MON420 1 year ago
@MarshBlumpkinXXL look up the origin of bjj itz from judoka
R4St4MON420 1 year ago
@R4St4MON420 umm no bjj came from japanese jj. Judo came from japanese jj it was started to be a less violent form of jj
imarayda 1 year ago
@imarayda bjj has virtually nothing to do with japjitsu,judo is a vastly improved combination of classical jj and bjj is directly evolved from that.Carlos gracie never learned japjitsu,he learned judo,the rest came about through crosstraining and trial and error.
billysue2 1 year ago
@imarayda FAIL!!! You're both wrong, BJJ derived from Kodokan Judo not Judoka( a master of judo) and added a hell of lot of ground game and took alot of the focus away from all the throws to focus on the ones that have a higher effectiveness percentage. And Judo came from the study of thousands of years of Jujutsu Ryu filtering out the less effective techniques to focus on the ones that work in practice, not just theory. Buy some books, google, wiki it or something.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE i just said it was judo,all judo at the time was kodokan.They didnt add any ground techs to it either,it already had them,when tournaments got more popular selection pressure forced the creation of new guard variations,passes,sweeps and set ups and the addition of some wrestling takedowns.The same would have happened in judo if they hadnt stifled newaza in comps to please spectators.I dont need to buy any books,ive read them all.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 judo has changed very much to emphisize the stand up part to they arent really putting any ground technique in some dont teach ground they just tell there students to crawl out of bounds so the match will start standing
saberman41 1 year ago
@saberman41 thats true insome cases but you will find clubs where the instructor is really into newaza regardless of competition rules.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 I'm quite certain that you haven't read them all, I'm sure you've read a few and would actually like to know if you have any to recomend, the only one I have is the Canon of Judo by Kyuzo Mifune and then the internet and friends. And I was talking to the person that my comment is directed to and the person below him that said it came from ''Judoka''. My comment was quite clear, but seriously you need to not be so arrogant as to think you know have attained all the knowledge.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE ive read all thats available buts some of it is obviously biased to judo or bjj.The cannon is a terrible instructional book and very poorly written / translated.There are no judo books with decent newaza,bjj is the source of that info.Take a look at oda senseis clips on youtube,he was 1 of the original kosed judoka charged with improving kodokan newaza,hirata sensei was his last living student and hes now dead.Thats the judo carlos gracie learned in 1917.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Did u even read my comment?
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@billysue2 to say that bjj didn't add technicality to the ground game is just ignorant.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE bjj was exactly the same as judo with weak throws for most of the 20th century,helio changed nothing except the importance of the guard because he had no standup.Carlson,Rolls and later generations really accelerated bjj guard developement beyond judo but its still basically judo just like 10th planet is still bjj,not a different art.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 go roll with a 10th planet blue belt even and then say that it's basically judo or bjj, its like saying that they're all basically wrestling and that wrestling is basically fighting. Or to say that 10th planet JJ is basically BJJ is like saying chinese boxing and american boxing are the same. Even shotokan karate is different from kyokushin karate, you're being too ''basic'' and narrow minded.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE i have rolled with several 10th planet blues and purples and the only things i didnt recognise were the set ups,everything else was bjj.Since eddie has only ever studied bjj and some high school wrestling,it has to be from those styles.For the record i also consider bjj to be a subset of judo as it was in the early 20th century.
billysue2 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE so when helio says he created Gjj based on the jj that the jap taught him he is full of crap?
imarayda 1 year ago
@imarayda no I think your full of crap, I'd school you more but you called the man who is arguably the greatest contributor to the ground game a 'jap'. No response needed.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE its in one of the gracie documentaries that helio learned jj from a japanese guy then modified it since he wasnt as strong or athletic. Then called it gracie jj
imarayda 1 year ago
@imarayda I'll answer because you didn't use any racial slurs in your response, Carlos was the one who learned the ground game from a japanese judoka (Mitsuyo Maeda), who was and is still regarded by many as the ''toughest man who ever lived'', anyways Carlos was an instructor for the school and Helio (being small and weak) was by doctors orders not able to particapate, Carlos wasnt able to make it to a class one day and there were students waiting.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE Helios had been watching his brothers since an age of 14 and studied the art from the sidelines. He was 16 when he offered to instruct his brothers class, the technicality that he brought to it as a weaker guy was very appealing to the students and they asked Carlos if Helios would instruct further classes, thus beginning Helios development of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. But don't just listen to me, investiagte and you may be able to find out something I couldn't. Awesome to see the interest.
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@TIMLINGLE 'HELIO'
TIMLINGLE 1 year ago
@MarshBlumpkinXXL thats true for the most part but they might as well since judo doesnt use them since before the ww2.BJJ has preserved and evolved what judo was supposed to be.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 it did wat judo was supposed to do for a while, but now it is basically mutating again for the worst. basically BJJ is heading in the same direction as judo, only its putting all its emphasis on newaza and not tachiwaza.
luchador1764 1 year ago
@MarshBlumpkinXXL And they learned most of that from Catch Wrestling.
Snoochy2006 1 year ago
@Snoochy2006 theres virtually nothing from catch in bjj,its a completely different philosophy and strategy and very rarely was no gi practised in bjj until relatively recently.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Umm a kimura, lol. Armbar and leglocks are Catch Wrestling terms. I agree the philosophy is completely different, but the submissions them selves are date longer then BJJ and Judo.
Snoochy2006 1 year ago
@Snoochy2006 how the jaysus can a kimura be a catchwrestling term,its ude garami that the brazilians renamed in honour of masahiko kimura.the technique has been in classical jujitsu for 100s of years before judo.Armbars and leglocks arent catchwrestling terms,theyre the english names of techs from several grappling systems,jap jujutsu included which is where bjj got all its locks.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 lol dude! are you being serious right now?? do you really think that there is nothing form catch wrestling in bjj? you either do not have a grip on history or you dont know much about catch wrestling.
luchador1764 1 year ago
@luchador1764 i dont think it has no influence,i know it had no influence.BJJ is exclusively judo and some wrestling takedowns were added over time and also natural developements by experience.Tell me what aspect of bjj comes from catch?Id be very interested.
billysue2 1 year ago
@Snoochy2006 hell yeah.
luchador1764 1 year ago
well, I don't mean to be nosy, but u haven't exactly fought against a real good Judoka, like Karo for example... and also, just because a move didn't work doesn't mean it never works, is like wrestling.. a double leg might work on a boxer, but not against another good wrestler.. it all depends on the situation.. and also, BJJ might not be the same now, but it was derived from Jap-JJ...and Judo.. is just been improved and perfected to work on the ground.... so, ur right about "not same" in a way
justlegal21 2 years ago
Very very true. That's my point. I'm not denying that. Karo would throw me around like nothing, but that's just it, he's exceptional at it. Akiyama, Sokoudjou, Yoshida...they'd all chuck me around.
My point is that you do have be really good to make it work. I've gone up against mediocre BJJ guys and had more trouble than against very good Judo guys. Again, it's more on the individual than the art.
Machida is a good example of this. He is good, not necessarily his style.
undisputedgreatest 2 years ago
well yeah, i get what you mean, and your right.. it does depend on the person using it because they need to know what they're doing and be good at it... the martial art is just a weapon, but the fighter needs to know how to use it... any fighting style even as simple as boxing can be deadly in the hands of a real fighter, every discipline is good, but the one who will win is the one who is more prepared...
justlegal21 2 years ago
Spot on. Everyone thinks that there are superior martial art styles, like muay thai for stand-and-strike. Wrestling for ground-and-pound and BJJ for Submissions. But your right, all that really matters in a cage (or ring in my case) is who is better versed in their system.
gandoof123 2 years ago
I would like to add to this. Conditioning and shape > technique. Whoever is in better shape has a better chance of winning a fight. Usually if a person in really good shape goes up against someone that only practices technique, i can assure you that the guy in better shape will win.
tosxpert 2 years ago
well that depends..look at BJ penn..now he's training hard so he's really good..but before he used to be a lazy ass who won because he was a "prodigy", not cus he trained hard..cus he never trained hard.. only after GSP wooped him he learned his lesson..and im glad he did cus now i respect him.. so it depends, remember not all disciplines use alot of cardio or strength,for example BJJ..in a fight u have to bc and know something..but in the end..is all about chance..anything can happen..
justlegal21 2 years ago
Yeah i was never taken down by a Judoka in the states then i trained in Korea.
ByAnyAndAllMeans 2 years ago
It seems you are a kid which does not know about the history of UFC or Judo and BJJ. BJJ comes from Judo, a Judo master was sent to America to teach Judo by his founder, Jigoro Kano, that master later went to Brasil and taught Judo. Not Jiujitsu, but JUDO. Many Gracie jiujitsu scholars does not understanded why they changed the name or why it was not called Brazilian Judo. Reality is it was modified, even though Gracie Jiujitsu has most basic Judo throws, BJJ techers do not teach them.
ocharriez74 3 years ago
Don't assume anything about me. I know all about the history of Judo. And I agree that BJJ isn't necessarily better than Judo. It is all about the practitioner. However, in a real life situation, BJJ is better for self defense. Judo was formed as a sport, "judoka" means Judo...player. It is a game. It still has its uses, but that does not change its history.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
it wasn't formed as a sport, it was formed to be a martial art- self defence etc, it was then put forward as a sport for the olympics and then derived from there
nicktheflick1992 3 years ago
Judo has been modified through the years, adapting to new styles (sambo, wrestling and now BJJ) the great thing about Judo is that, like a sponge, it absorbs everything that works (look at French, Russian, Italian and Brazilian judo fighters they are good newaza fighters)Judo adapted in the 1970's because of Sambo and German style Judo. Even Royce Gracie and borthers went to a Neil Adams (Judo world champion) school to learn the armbars. Helio sent them to the Mehdi Judo school in Ipanema.
ocharriez74 3 years ago
Be aware, I am not saying that Judo is better, but I assure you that BJJ is not better. The MMA history talks by itself, Judo fighters are tough, and have given BJJ big loses to the point that the Gracie mistique has been questioned. Gracies have the credit for starting UFC, but they handpicked fighters for Royce Gracie to win. Oleg Taktarov was asking for Gracie since UFC 1, but Rorion always declined. Oleg even went to visit Torrance school, and he schooled with his SPORT Judo and Sambo.
ocharriez74 3 years ago
it looks like judo is the only style bjj/gjj has troubles beating, especially in mma judo is superior
GiGrappler 3 years ago 5
No, not at all. If you look at top fighters, to see what they train in; 95% of the time it is BJJ. In MMA, the best fighter is superior, however, style wise, that fighter is usually well versed in BJJ. Judo doesn't focus on finishing; and don't say it does. I personally have submitted plenty of Judoka, 6 in a row once, and I wasn't as good then as I am now, and I'm not even a Purple Belt. The only successful Judoka in MMA are Karo, Yoshida, Yoshida, Nakamura,Emelianenkos, and Sokoudjou.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
Caoul Uno, Oleg Taktarov (national Judo champ) Daiju Takase(defeated a Gracie) Akira Shoji (defeated Wallid Ismael, the BJJ man who choked out Royce Gracie) Paulo Fihlo (Brazil BJJ champ, contracted by Crocop for Fedor fight) Yoshihiro Akiyama Japan champion, Hector Lombard, Naoya Ogawa,
Makoto Takimoto (defeated Murilo Bustamante) , Yoon Dong Sik, Shungo Oyama (defeated MMA
Book author Rodrigo Gracie and MMA legend Renzo Gracie), and the list goes on baby!!
ocharriez74 3 years ago 2
and Don Fry 2nd Dan(finished Bitteti), John Lewis beat Carlson Gracie jr, Igoe Zinoviev Battlecade Champion (finished Mario Sperry, Bjj black belt and Judo black belt under Mehdi), and Shinya Aoki, Yushin Okami, Pawel Nastula (He is always winning till he gasses, age factor)
ocharriez74 3 years ago
Don Frye was a wrestler first and foremost, then a boxer, with some Judo experience. How about submission fighting? Barnett has been schooling Judo. What about the early UFCs, and Gracie challenges. Rickson Gracie once fought the Japanese Judo team. He was submitting them one after another, at about 30 seconds each. What about BJ Penn? What about GSP and Diego tooling Karo? How about Nogueira crushing Nastula? Or Machida choking out Sokoudjou? It goes on and on, at a micro level too.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago
Don Frye is a 2nd dan in Judo, he had his judo gi, with his black belt when he entered to fight Yoshida in Pride FC. Barnett is a California Judo champ like Ricco Rodriguez. Nogueira brothers were judokas till age 18 when they started to do BJJ
ocharriez74 3 years ago
Yes, I already know about Don Frye. Barnett and Rodriguez are both wrestlers first and foremost. Ricco a state Champ, Barnett a submission/catch wrestler. And yes, the Nogueiras converted to something better. Look, all of this is the same, what you call a jujigatame, I call an armbar...however, the move is still the same. It is about the practitioner, and the circumstances. BJJ (for the most part) is real life, Judo is a game.
undisputedgreatest 3 years ago