Yeah sure...and jack the ripper was a decent human being that had a different perspective on whether to...u know what, i don't know where I'm going with this extended metaphor. But 'pro-life' people suck and they need to grow up and face the issues scientifically.
@Minkki82 so taking a 12 week old baby and ripping its arms and legs off dismembering it piece by piece is humane? Taking a baby thats almost full term thats fully formed and stabbing it in the back of the head and sucking its brains out is good? and then taking the unused pieces of dead babies and using it to cure people with diseases is all good for you,,,pro choice is really pro death you go watch a few videos of abortions showing the womb youll be horrified
@candiceevans1 Dude... why do you want watch footage of abortions to learn about it? That's disgusting. Why do you want to describe the gory details of the process? I understand that you oppose a woman's right to choose, but pro-choice is not pro-death. Pro-choicers don't want death, they want CHOICE. A person can be anti-abortion and still be pro-choice. After all, if YOU are against it, then don't do it. Mind your own business and let people make their own moral decisions.
@Minkki82 I don't think "religion" is to blame. It's how religion is ABUSED by powerful institutions that is really at play. Blaming "religion" (or mythological stories in general) would be ignoring the real culprits... the people in charge. The only reason people have such anti-religious sentiments is because of the political ties. The problem is merely the MARRIAGE of religion and politics. Religions can actually have many positive moral benefits on its own.
@TheOverpowered1 Ok , I sort of agree. Let me try again: It's not religion per se that's to blame, it's the mentality of believing whatever you are taught that makes good people do bad stuff. If you just think what you are told to think, (and dont think yourself) you can be pushed to all sort of crazy stuff
@Minkki82 Yeah! So true! Only reason I objected earlier is because I've noticed that many Americans have adopted an "anti-religion" attitude and seem to have just blindly accepted that mentality without thinking about it. It works both ways. Accusing the religion or the stories alone does nothing, but calling out people, and making sure they're on their toes will hopefully prevent this blind following on either side of the theism debate. Less followers, MORE THINKERS! :D
@Minkki82 Yeah! So true! Only reason I objected earlier is because I've noticed that many Americans have adopted an "anti-religion" attitude and seem to have just blindly accepted that mentality without thinking about it. It works both ways. Accusing the religion or the stories alone does nothing, but calling out people, and making sure they're on their toes will hopefully prevent this blind following on either side of the theism debate. Less followers, MORE THINKERS! :D
@Minkki82@Minkki82 Yeah! So true! Only reason I objected earlier is because I've noticed that many Americans have adopted an "anti-religion" attitude and seem to have just blindly accepted that mentality without thinking about it. It works both ways. Accusing the religion or the stories alone does nothing, but calling out people, and making sure they're on their toes will hopefully prevent this blind following on either side of the theism debate. Less followers, MORE THINKERS! :D
So, you wanted to speak your mind but was not open to the man returning dialogue? Seriously? You just want to take a stab and expected nothing back, did ya? Looks like he received your "zing" as an invitation. YOU WERE NOT A HOSTAGE. You started the dialogue... too bad for you it wasn't a monologue. HAHAHAHA. Good for Mr. J.C.
@thegorn68 I find it amusing that you are praising the name of LOGIC, yet the claim you make afterwards is unsupported by evidence. In order for logic to be the "kryptonite" to fallacious reasoning (that you are guilty of here), you actually have to USE logic. You made a claim, but where is the evidence that supports it? It would be illogical for a reader to be convinced by the fallacious reasoning and rhetoric behind YOUR anti-choice claim.
@TheOverpowered1 Sounds like you took your first ever Critical Thinking class in Philosophy somewhere and you're trying out your new, big vocabulary terms out on me which, ironically enough, sounds rhetorical. LOL! My statement was in GENERAL when assessing most Pro-Choice arguments and Pro-Life counter ones. I wasn't specifying or addressing any one particular argument in this video commentary. This is not a thesis paper. I don't need "evidence" to support a random comment
@thegorn68 I understand your frustration... but you do a disservice to the word LOGIC by throwing it around with your own ideological attachment, failing at every turn to defend it. Of course you weren't addressing any one particular argument... that would actually be constructive... Instead, you attack me (obviously due to lack of your own support). One doesn't need to take a class to see through that.
@TheOverpowered1 No frustration here. Look, you're obviously lonely and picking debates with other people on this video commentary which is why YOU responded first to me without my asking. Don't know how I "attacked you". I don't have to explain myself to you and the lame ass 500 character limit on YouTube does not lend this format well to debate on YouTube which serves no purpose. Go to another forum for that why don't you. Happy Holidays!!
@thegorn68 I'm not arguing YOU, I'm arguing against your ideologically spun comment, in the name of logic. I have no problem with you, I don't even know you. If you want to see your attacks on me just scroll up. You accused me of showing off with "new big words" and pointlessly diagnosed me as "obviously lonely." These are the tactics of people who make bold and false claims about other people's rights and then attack those who oppose them instead of defending their claims.
I think it was stupid to even bring that up to him IN AN ELEVATOR, when he was being quiet and minding his own business, to begin with, just so that you looked like you were smart and awesome. Yeah. No.
Furthermore, if you decide that an unborn child doesn't have any rights because it's an inconvenience, then where does that ideal stop? Who's gonna draw the line, and what makes you think that it won't be erased later? It's really dangerous and dark territory you're straying into. If an unwanted child can be killed, then why not an unwanted orphan? Or the elderly? Or the mentally handicapped? Or people from the ghettos/trailer parks? It's just going to snowball from there.
I would agree with you in general, but in the case of a fetus, it is living OFF of the mother, in what is, pardon the vulgarity of this analogy, basically akin to a parasite. A fetus literally feeds off of the mother's nutrients, affecting her body in drastic ways. Of your examples: unwanted orphan, elderly, and mentally handicapped, which of them has this same relationship ("parasitic")? That's where the line can be drawn. If an organism exists without absorbing a host's nutrients.
@TheOverpowered1 Just like a welfare recipient is living off the society, basically akin to a parasite. They literally feed off of the product of our works, affecting our society in drastic ways. So I'm not going to revise my arguments. If you can strip value from one life, you can do it to others. So we're going to have to decide really soon if that's what we want to do. We'll also have to stop bashing Hitler for trying social planning back in the day. You choice, I guess...
@melbyRick I would disagree that a physically parasitic relationship can be shown to be the same as a socially or economically "parasitic" relationship. In the case of the fetus, it LITERALLY feeds off of the mother... from INSIDE her body. That is always different from social and economic issues, where other options (than death) could solve the problem. Social benefits are impossible to grant directly to a fetus without affecting the mother.
@TheOverpowered1 Hey man, if you're willing to call the intimacy of a mother and her child a *parasitic* relationship, then I don't think you need to be arguing semantics with me over the welfare problem in this country. The point is that they live off of us without contributing, they need us to BABY-sit them while they live INSIDE our society. So if you're okay with abortion, then don't let me hear you bitching about capital punishment, euthanasia or sterilizing retards.
@melbyRick I agree with you in so many ways, don't get me wrong. I'm against abortion, but I'm also for liberty. You say that it's semantics, but again I disagree. Not all mothers have an "intimate" relationship with their fetus. It is not a stretch or even inaccurate to say that in these cases, we are dealing with a literally parasitic relationship. Forcing a mother to carry an unwanted fetus to term can be a violation of her rights. Do sperm have rights? Is masturbation genocide?
@TheOverpowered1 "Is masturbation genocide?"... Well I don't know. Is bleeding genocide? Blood cells are living things too. But if you put blood on an egg, it doesn't turn into a zygote or begin growing into a human being. By themselves these components do not form a new living organism. So no, ejaculation and PMS are not genocide. But abortion is, and just because some people have no feelings does not mean we let them get away with murder. This argument is getting ridiculous
@melbyRick I don't find it ridiculous at all. You are a smart person, so it's nice for me to read your replies. I will leave you alone from now on because I can tell that you are so tired of this discussion. I just don't think potentiality matters. What "may possibly someday grow into something with rights" doesn't count as "something that has rights now." That is why I chose the sperm example. Sorry for bothering you.
@TheOverpowered1 *Potentiality* is the only thing that makes the human race even worth our time, man. Otherwise we wouldn't even bother with rights or laws in the first place. Potential is the only thing that we've got at this point. We have so many horrible people in our society, but we keep living because of the potential that the future might be better, and that people might be good. Hey, but that's fine. I'm done arguing too. Good luck...
@TheOverpowered1 And guess what, kids often pose difficulties and inconveniences to their parents, but if a man kills his child because he's tired of hearing it crying, then what happens to him? He gets thrown in jail for life, hopefully executed. Children are under the parent's care, but that doesn't dehumanize them. Otherwise it would be legal to kill seventeen-year-olds because they are not legally adults and they are still dependent upon their parents. Abortion is nonsense.
@melbyRick Children are alive and have human rights and capabilities. They are human now, not "future humans." They are external beings, not literally physically linked with biological connections to their parents bodies. That is why abortion isn't just called "murder," although many people still try to equate them, there is a difference.
@TheOverpowered1 Children only have limited human capabilities. They aren't even capable of reproduction until after they hit puberty. They can't even talk until they turn 2 or 3, maybe even 4 or 5. Sorry, but I'm done. No abortion advocate is ever going to make sense to me, because all they do is try to rationalize the issue in their own best interest. Anybody can do that for anything. The worst things we ever done were always rationalized for good reasons. Goodbye.
@melbyRick Ok, you may be smart, but you are naive in your generalizations. Calling people "abortion advocates" and "pro-death" is insulting and completely misrepresents them. You act as if people WANT abortion for its own sake, when all they are doing is defending the rights of a woman over the rights of society to govern what she does with her body. End of story. What do people have to gain from abortion in general? Nothing. The point is to talk so we ALL can learn and share.
@melbyRick By the way, the point of law is to provide a sense of justice and security, not to reach "our human potentiality." It is not there to make us feel good about our progress. It is there to restrict our actions that affect the other humans around us. The pro-choice issue is about defending an individual living human (now), and her right to make her own decisions about her body. Forcing morality on others is useless anyway... it never works. It is egotistical and immoral.
I can't believe people are still arguing over all this stem-cell and abortion shit. Look, there's only one argument to have concerning the legality/morality of abortion, and its the argument of the value of human life. I know all you selfish pricks want to dehumanize anything that inconveniences you, and you religious zealots want to use the bible for EVERYTHING, but here's the deal: An unborn child is a living thing, both legally and practically. If its life doesn't matter, then who's does?
BWAHAHAHAHA "I'm just as moral as you, but I just happen to have a different opinion about who owns that money in your pocket, and my right to shoot you" LOL
Pro Choice? What is that? So you mean to tell me and others here that if a pregnant woman in her first trimester can loose her baby if she is hurt by someone and that someone is not responsible of manslaughter?
One can be pregnant murdered and not have the guilty charged for 2 murders?
Is that what you mean? Forget if its a baby or not. Its a life and you know that!
A organism of any sort is a life. The moment you take a life you take a life! That is Murder in any court! Abortions end life!
CENK IS PROUD TO BE PRO-DEATH,,,,its not pro-choice,,,no one has a inalienable right endowed by their creator to murder a child growing in their womb. They have a responsibility to prevent unwanted preg. no one has a right to use the partially formed child of another person for medical experiments. the problem is that men who hate Christ love death ,,,they think they have the right to take the life of an infant and dissect it like a frog in biology and thats immoral ,,there is none good not one
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@TheYoungTurks you find "you betray me with a kiss" to be judgmental? how many times have you "judged" conservatives over the years? I know you have clarified in videos you mean the right wing maniacs, but Caviezel isn't a maniac, he's a good man with a view that you don't share, and he's still "judgmental" somehow. Sigh, the "judging" argument can't be won, unless your view doesn't count, or you don''t follow the judge's rules. You're a funny guy, but i just don't agree with you sometimes.
Abortion is wrong in my view except in rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. To ban abortion in rape and incest is not very nice to the mother i think, but abortion is wrong in other cirumstances.
Why? If you think abortion is killing a person, it's irrelevant whether it's "nice to the mother." The fact that you think there's a different set of rules because it's an embryo shows that you recognize that there is a big difference between a non-conscious cluster of cells and an actual person with rights.
Nobody considers killing skin cells, bacteria or multicellular microorganisms an issue. Why is an embryo any different?
@blackplatypus because God doesnt give skin cells, bacteria, or multicellular microorganisms a soul. Would you be dumb enough to believe that all life on earth is the same? of course not. Human beings have souls. We're made in the image and likeness of God. So sure when you kill a cow to eat it your killing, but dont tell me its the same as killing a human being
No "good Christians" have a different opinion about it - period. Science has proved that there is a LIFE that you are talking about killing to better your own life when you practice stem cell research, or abortion. There are not people "just as moral" that believe it is okay to kill voiceless innocents. Yes you have a right to your opinion, even if it is shallow, immoral, and wrong. I am amazed that Caviezel would waste his time with you - shows he is a better man than you in so many ways.
How can Republicans who think they are Christians, be against social security and Medicare and the social programs that help the poor-but-- be for Jesus who wants us to help each other, and be for God being in the gov. when these so-called Christians fight against everything Jesus stood for?? whay hypocrites!!
@sbhdawn not all republicans do believe that...just like not all democrats believe that gay marriage is ok. lol But this guy saying he is "pro-choice" is disgusting...that is just another word for murder. period. you have a choice to kill or keep your baby..what a sick world we live in...pathetic! people open your eyes!!
@bethany2nirvana --I was speaking about stem cell embryos, not regular abortions! I did speak about the Christian Republicans being against the social programs that do so much to help the poor including low-income mothers and their babies. Tell me why they want all babies born, but after they are born--those same people DO NOT WANT to help that baby with any gov. social programs that will help it to thrive?? It's like, yes have the baby, but after that--who cares?
@sbhdawn Some of them DO want to help.I consider myself conservative. So, in your words your saying, kill the baby bc they wont have any financial support afterwards? Now that doesnt make sense. Life is life..and if you take away life, you are murdering..and taking stem cells from a embryo will more than likely take the embryos life..so equals same thing. I believe in support for a while, not for the rest of your life. Its called get off your ass and work for your child!! Do whatever it takes!
@bethany2nirvana ---The embroys are going to be destroyed anyway--so why not let them be good for something.? In fact the majority of people receiving food stamps or the Wick program-providing formula for infants and toddelers--goes to people who already work full time, but their salareis--which are not "living wages" does not allow them to pay for the ever rising cost of rent, plus utilities and still have something left to buy food or formula! You are the one that does not care about life!
@sbhdawn wow, so again your saying that it is ok for them to destroy embryos ( human life). So your logic, since they are already doing somthing awful i might as well benefit from it :) I cant believe people like you..seriously. And you obviously didnt see my comment..I DO agree people should have benefits..i have had them before. For a short term. It is not something to live off of!! That is my point. I dont care ab life?? Thats why im against abortion right? lol do you know your point here?
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I just don't understand why Republicans who believe they are also Christians--are so against the gov. helping the poor and downtroden as Jesus said to do?? This stem cell thing is rediculious, as the embro they get the stem cells from is destined to be destroyed anyway!! the scientist that eventually destroys them--is he commiting murder? No, so what diff does it make if they are used for stem cell research since they will be destroyed anyway?
I can appreciate Cenk's tolerance here even if he is wrong. It's the first time I've seen him this way.Just goes to show you how the Love of Christ can shed light on even the hardest of hearts. God bless Jim Caveziel.
@JesGabBreMar It's just a bunch of cells. Living, but not "a life". For me, and anyone reasonable, a human life must at least have a brain/central nervous system for it to be considered alive. There has to be some capacity to think or experience. That's why brain dead is basically dead - when someone is on life support and goes brain dead, we turn the machines off. A consistent pro-lifer would advocate keeping the body going until it eventually got old and died - even though it's just a shell.
I bet that if Sarah Palin had chosen to kill her unborn son and had urged her daughter to kill her unborn grandchild, this guy Cenk would be a huge Palin fan. But because she chose life over death, Cenk hates her guts and the marrow of her bones. There was a priceless moment at the Governor's debut on the national stage when the little girl Piper lovingly stroked her baby brother's hair. It crystalized in one moment the pure evil of those who celebrate "the right" to murder unborn babies.
@ssips720 No it is part of being a person that we can be corrupted by much in life..as far as my experence goes Catholics reconize this as a universal truth..
The line of thinking that we as a society would be on the door steps of Utiopia if it wasn't for certian religions, classes, and more in the past races of people, has been horrific in the 20th century and goes directly against the catholic way of looking at the world.
Just because a fetus isn't as developed as an infant, doesn't make it less of a human. And just because a child isn't as developed as an adult, doesn't make it less of a human.
No, but because a fetus hasn't developed a nervous system, DOES mean it is incapable of suffering.
Just because a particular bundle of cells has human DNA, doesn't render it eligible for rights. (good luck giving rights to sperm, eggs and tumors)
We don't give the same rights to children as we do to adults and we don't give the same rights to fertilized eggs as we do to things that can think and feel.
"Actually, its nervous system is fully developed by week 8."
that's just a flat-out lie. The brain connections to experience things like pain don't exist until at least 24 weeks.
"We give both children AND adults the right to life."
and we don't give fetuses the right to life. neither do we give that right to most other parasitic organisms. Why does whether it has human DNA or not matter?
Of course a philosophy like that has to conveniently exclude a thought process that if you follow it through makes you realise that once a fetus is concieved, there is an almost certain chance that it will gestate and be born. Im turned off by bible thumping, gun toting right wingers, but just as must by the mental gymnastics liberals use to justify abortion.
You just cant justify it.
The womans rights do not trump the unborns rights. Not by a long way. The opposite may be true.
There is no probably about it. Mental gymnastics. Those non-sentient cells was "YOU". They grew into you. From a scientific standpoint its a fair bet the consciousness that stems from those cells, (YOU FOR EXAMPLE) wont get another chance at life. Conception has happened. At that point you dont have the fucking right. PERIOD!! Its a consistent viewpoint against all activities resulting in destruction of life. Just like Im against war, starvation, murder and the death penalty.
"Its a consistent viewpoint against all activities resulting in destruction of life."
So you are consistently against the destruction of living cells? Have you ever scratched an itch? removing skin cells that are living is clearly evil.
Thats the mental gymnastics Im talking about. Thats the only way you can begin to justify it is to trivialize the fetus as a bunch of cells. Totally ignoring the fact every human on the planet was the same bunch of cells and no doubt most wouldnt have wanted to be snuffed out. Given a chance I expect theyd have begged for their life. After all it might be a one time deal. Trivializing the fetus is the only way you can begin to justify it. Its no more trivial than you or I.
"Totally ignoring the fact every human on the planet was the same bunch of cells and no doubt most wouldnt have wanted to be snuffed out."
Every human on the planet was once sperm. therefore sperm should have rights. Also, i didn't "not want to be snuffed out" because I didn't exist. there was no consciousness to speak of.
So what your saying is "your consciousness" is "not" in anyway related to your early existence as a fetus? That if you at say 2 months gestation were "ended", your consciousness because it didnt yet exist would find another way to exist. Is that what you think? That your consciousness would be channeled to another fetus? Are you serious. How could anyone be arrogant enough to claim that. The only thing we know for sure is that your consciousness and the body/brain are linked.
A person is made of two halves. The egg and the sperm. Without the other the individual egg and sperm wont grow into anything. The argument can easily be made they arent sentient. But the gymnastics pro abortionists come up with comparing a sperm to a 2-3 month old child. And Im being kind as we know many abortions are carried out at week 24. Thats a 6 month old child. Its well beyond individual components of sperm and eggs. Conception was 6 months ago. It makes me feel sick!!
What the hell are you talking about rocks and lakes. IDIOT. Your equating granite to the earliest stage of every humans developement. Your fucking warped in the head.
Rewind your obnoxious existence. Would you want a chance at life or would being snuffed out as those bunch of cells be fine? Your answer: I was just a bunch of cells. Yes, but they became you. Erasing those cells erases you.
Also you idiot I said "GIVEN THE CHANCE". English motherfucker do you speak it!!
"Yes, but they became you. Erasing those cells erases you."
And? pretty sure people that don't exist aren't bothered by it. If we rewind the clock and stop your parents from having sex, you'd never exist. Therefore every time two people *dont* have sex, they're killing the person that would have been born?
"Comparing a fetus to a lump of rock. So disingenuous."
fetus' or, more accurately embryos have the same cognitive capacity as rocks and the same capability for suffering.
If you cant see that is pathetic reasoning I really feel sorry for you. At week 13 the nervous system is formed and the child can cry and feel pain. Thats almost half the limit. You can still abort 10 weeks after that.
Justify it with your "facts" if you want. but your facts arent facts. Thats the problem. Once again go look at the picture in the url of the 24 week "LUMP OF CELLS".
I cant be bothered with you. You cant even debate on an honest level.
It'd be nice if you can point out a single instance where I've lied...
It's trivial for me to point to one where you have.
"At week 13 the nervous system is formed and the child can cry and feel pain."
Flat. out. false. It takes all of 10 seconds to type in "fetus can't feel pain before" into google and obtain the slew of news reports on the recent study done in the UK. a study which brought the time DOWN from the previous US results.
Go back and read your argument. Its pathetic. Id be embarassed to write garbage like you've wrote. All I hear from you is "theyre just a bunch of cells", ignoring thats what you were. You cant disguise the fact that erasing them in "YOUR" developement would have erased you. Thats called logic. What you do is twist the argument, trivialize the early stage of a human life. Comparing a fetus to a lump of rock. So disingenuous. So intellectually dishonest. So fucking dumb!!
And really Im being sincere here when I say don't bother debating me. I've heard the best of the arguments for abortion and they are pathetic. You've pretty much covered them yourself. Throw in a "it's the womans right" or "what about rape" and thats the depth and breadth of the pro abortion argument. Personally the only time I think its justified is when the probability of both child and mother dying is an almost certainty. And even then its shaky moral ground!!
And what really ticks me off is getting called a right winger by dumbed down ignorant Americans who think everyone on the planets thought reside in a left or a right box. Fucking morons. Walking advertisements for the abolition of the United States. The worst retard Ive met on YT was a college professor who threw the right wing slur. I was so disappointed. Im not religious, or political. Im also not a hypocrite, and my view of snuffing out life is consistent across the board.
Primarily because the unborn cannot defend themselves. Would it be different if the unborn had a voice? Suppose that voice was saying "Please dont kill me". But there is no voice, so the womens rights come first. The child loses because its voiceless. Of course it doesnt work unless the mental gymnastics come in to decieve yourself that an unborn child isnt really a child but a lump of cells. Its a child and will be if left alone. Thats a cold, hard fact. A fact of life, even!!
@blackplatypus The reason sperm and eggs don't have rights is because they are not human life. Scientifically speaking, human life begins at conception.
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@turo9992000 It is not youth in Asia...it is Euthanasia. Which is what they call mercy killing a killing that one decided for himself in order to avoid pain.
@turo9992000 It is not youth in Asia...it is Euthanasia. Which is what they call mercy killing a killing that one decided for himself in order to avoid pain.
@turo9992000@turo9992000 It is not youth in Asia...it is Euthanasia. Which is what they call mercy killing a killing that one decided for himself in order to avoid pain.
at the base of their hart, everyone is a decent human being. problem is, large parts of humanity are dumb as fuck, and therefore misplace a lot of their energy, such as love, hate and efforts.
Who is this Cenk Uygur? A bloody Septic wanker, obviously. Thank heavens we don't get this rubbish Down Under. Perfect for the mentality of the Yanks.
@jslasher1 What are you on about mate? Caviezel and all the other religions loonies should be ignored at every available opportunity, until the rapture... or judgement day... or whatever bollocks they happen to believe to be true.
@soundslave dont talk about christians like they are a bunch of lunatics. they far outnumber you. besides do you know how ridiculus evolution sounds? you wouldent even believe it if you didnt hear of the theory in science class.
@Danz2003 Actually, here in Britain, it's the other way around. Secular and proud. Also, can you explain your interpretation of Evolution to me? I want to make sure we're reading from the same page (and I don't mean a page from Genesis).
@soundslave well if you say so, but regardless there are plenty of christians and you dont need to go insulting them because their theory sounds crazy. Evolution to me is some peoples belief and some peoples excuse not to believe in anything else. Its a theory with lots of holes in it. the majority of the people ( like Britain as you say) havent done any of the research to find out for themselves and are just listening to their teachers.
@Danz2003 I did no research, but for the last 200 years, scientists have done. At least I don't use a book written 2000 years ago for my answers. Btw, how does the bible explain bacteria on Mars? As far as I remember God only made life on Earth.
@soundslave i suppose there is no point in arguing because i know for certain it it doesnt get you anywhere. Scientists disagree a lot and scratch theories out and add new ones in. Bacteria on mars really has no place in the bible because it doesnt talk about every little detail and mainly talks about people. But even if you do disagree you should have the decency not to call people crazy for not agreeing with you. Everyones theory sounds crazy to an outsider and you dont need to insult.
Cenk I hope you got his number. I mean if he was so goof looking to catch your eye and you just had to say something. Well those are the first signs of something stirring deep in your loins. There has never been a dude I have seen that I just had to say something to. Cenk if your wandering does this story make you gay? No, it's the Caviezel all over your mouth that makes you gay and then to top it off while your eye to eye for 20 min. he seduces you into thinking he's a "good guy",cenk man up
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0:42 , 0:50 I agree with cenk just on this, JAMes isDIVINElyHEAVENly.
2:50, sumTURKs=always2FACEd. (RICHer)Turkish PROstituteS inTurkey (Not smart enough2travel2 UK where white englishMen payLOTs coZ their Own preTEEN!DAUGHTERs do it4every1 4Free!=Boring & v.DIRTY), moaned that ROMANian PROs inTurkey Brought PRICEsDown.The OTTOMANs hadGREATlyLOOTed ROMANia
This guy is a fucking asshole! Why do you Americans give this fucking turk loser any airtime! This guy should just go and stick a kebab up his ass and then maybe he'll talk some sense!
I have never met Jim in person, but I've heard from many other people who have met him that he is the nicest, kindest, most humble and down-to-earth human being you could ever meet.
This moron, (Cenk), is making Jim out to look like a jerk.
Yeah sure...and jack the ripper was a decent human being that had a different perspective on whether to...u know what, i don't know where I'm going with this extended metaphor. But 'pro-life' people suck and they need to grow up and face the issues scientifically.
DrAmorphos 2 weeks ago
Y O U N G T U R D S
StonewallJackson26 2 weeks ago
@StonewallJackson26 HAHAHAHAAAA Only 10000th time someone made that comment.. Idiot.
Spaghettimonster777 1 week ago
@Spaghettimonster777 T H E Y O U N G T U R D S
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
that s exactly why religion is so scary. To get decent humans to do horrible things you need religion.
Minkki82 1 month ago
@Minkki82 so taking a 12 week old baby and ripping its arms and legs off dismembering it piece by piece is humane? Taking a baby thats almost full term thats fully formed and stabbing it in the back of the head and sucking its brains out is good? and then taking the unused pieces of dead babies and using it to cure people with diseases is all good for you,,,pro choice is really pro death you go watch a few videos of abortions showing the womb youll be horrified
candiceevans1 1 month ago
@candiceevans1 Dude... why do you want watch footage of abortions to learn about it? That's disgusting. Why do you want to describe the gory details of the process? I understand that you oppose a woman's right to choose, but pro-choice is not pro-death. Pro-choicers don't want death, they want CHOICE. A person can be anti-abortion and still be pro-choice. After all, if YOU are against it, then don't do it. Mind your own business and let people make their own moral decisions.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@Minkki82 I don't think "religion" is to blame. It's how religion is ABUSED by powerful institutions that is really at play. Blaming "religion" (or mythological stories in general) would be ignoring the real culprits... the people in charge. The only reason people have such anti-religious sentiments is because of the political ties. The problem is merely the MARRIAGE of religion and politics. Religions can actually have many positive moral benefits on its own.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 Ok , I sort of agree. Let me try again: It's not religion per se that's to blame, it's the mentality of believing whatever you are taught that makes good people do bad stuff. If you just think what you are told to think, (and dont think yourself) you can be pushed to all sort of crazy stuff
Minkki82 1 month ago
@Minkki82 Yeah! So true! Only reason I objected earlier is because I've noticed that many Americans have adopted an "anti-religion" attitude and seem to have just blindly accepted that mentality without thinking about it. It works both ways. Accusing the religion or the stories alone does nothing, but calling out people, and making sure they're on their toes will hopefully prevent this blind following on either side of the theism debate. Less followers, MORE THINKERS! :D
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@Minkki82 Yeah! So true! Only reason I objected earlier is because I've noticed that many Americans have adopted an "anti-religion" attitude and seem to have just blindly accepted that mentality without thinking about it. It works both ways. Accusing the religion or the stories alone does nothing, but calling out people, and making sure they're on their toes will hopefully prevent this blind following on either side of the theism debate. Less followers, MORE THINKERS! :D
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
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@Minkki82 @Minkki82 Yeah! So true! Only reason I objected earlier is because I've noticed that many Americans have adopted an "anti-religion" attitude and seem to have just blindly accepted that mentality without thinking about it. It works both ways. Accusing the religion or the stories alone does nothing, but calling out people, and making sure they're on their toes will hopefully prevent this blind following on either side of the theism debate. Less followers, MORE THINKERS! :D
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
So, you wanted to speak your mind but was not open to the man returning dialogue? Seriously? You just want to take a stab and expected nothing back, did ya? Looks like he received your "zing" as an invitation. YOU WERE NOT A HOSTAGE. You started the dialogue... too bad for you it wasn't a monologue. HAHAHAHA. Good for Mr. J.C.
moxmox1 1 month ago
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cenk is awesome ! he is fair but he comes hard on bullshiters.
ahmad3652 2 months ago
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ahmad3652 2 months ago
LOGIC. The ultimate kryptonite to the fallacious reasoning and rhetoric of the pro death crowd.
thegorn68 2 months ago
@thegorn68 I find it amusing that you are praising the name of LOGIC, yet the claim you make afterwards is unsupported by evidence. In order for logic to be the "kryptonite" to fallacious reasoning (that you are guilty of here), you actually have to USE logic. You made a claim, but where is the evidence that supports it? It would be illogical for a reader to be convinced by the fallacious reasoning and rhetoric behind YOUR anti-choice claim.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 Sounds like you took your first ever Critical Thinking class in Philosophy somewhere and you're trying out your new, big vocabulary terms out on me which, ironically enough, sounds rhetorical. LOL! My statement was in GENERAL when assessing most Pro-Choice arguments and Pro-Life counter ones. I wasn't specifying or addressing any one particular argument in this video commentary. This is not a thesis paper. I don't need "evidence" to support a random comment
thegorn68 1 month ago
@thegorn68 I understand your frustration... but you do a disservice to the word LOGIC by throwing it around with your own ideological attachment, failing at every turn to defend it. Of course you weren't addressing any one particular argument... that would actually be constructive... Instead, you attack me (obviously due to lack of your own support). One doesn't need to take a class to see through that.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 No frustration here. Look, you're obviously lonely and picking debates with other people on this video commentary which is why YOU responded first to me without my asking. Don't know how I "attacked you". I don't have to explain myself to you and the lame ass 500 character limit on YouTube does not lend this format well to debate on YouTube which serves no purpose. Go to another forum for that why don't you. Happy Holidays!!
thegorn68 1 month ago
@thegorn68 I'm not arguing YOU, I'm arguing against your ideologically spun comment, in the name of logic. I have no problem with you, I don't even know you. If you want to see your attacks on me just scroll up. You accused me of showing off with "new big words" and pointlessly diagnosed me as "obviously lonely." These are the tactics of people who make bold and false claims about other people's rights and then attack those who oppose them instead of defending their claims.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@thegorn68 ok, so lets use some logic, shall we? a zygote is not a life. are we done now? you just lost, idiot.
MachinaSapien 3 weeks ago
I think, he really understood both sides with empathy. Nice gesture
eeam1 2 months ago
this show is a joke
90jmt 3 months ago 2
Whats up with the type that doesn't match the words?
TheFallenWon 3 months ago
I think it was stupid to even bring that up to him IN AN ELEVATOR, when he was being quiet and minding his own business, to begin with, just so that you looked like you were smart and awesome. Yeah. No.
shotgunpoetry13 3 months ago
liberals. Why don't they just leave Jim alone?
watchmen369 4 months ago 2
@watchmen369 good point
charms71 2 months ago
He gave money to Santorum! He's a cunt!!
SFSylvester 4 months ago
Furthermore, if you decide that an unborn child doesn't have any rights because it's an inconvenience, then where does that ideal stop? Who's gonna draw the line, and what makes you think that it won't be erased later? It's really dangerous and dark territory you're straying into. If an unwanted child can be killed, then why not an unwanted orphan? Or the elderly? Or the mentally handicapped? Or people from the ghettos/trailer parks? It's just going to snowball from there.
melbyRick 4 months ago
I would agree with you in general, but in the case of a fetus, it is living OFF of the mother, in what is, pardon the vulgarity of this analogy, basically akin to a parasite. A fetus literally feeds off of the mother's nutrients, affecting her body in drastic ways. Of your examples: unwanted orphan, elderly, and mentally handicapped, which of them has this same relationship ("parasitic")? That's where the line can be drawn. If an organism exists without absorbing a host's nutrients.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 Just like a welfare recipient is living off the society, basically akin to a parasite. They literally feed off of the product of our works, affecting our society in drastic ways. So I'm not going to revise my arguments. If you can strip value from one life, you can do it to others. So we're going to have to decide really soon if that's what we want to do. We'll also have to stop bashing Hitler for trying social planning back in the day. You choice, I guess...
melbyRick 1 month ago
@melbyRick I would disagree that a physically parasitic relationship can be shown to be the same as a socially or economically "parasitic" relationship. In the case of the fetus, it LITERALLY feeds off of the mother... from INSIDE her body. That is always different from social and economic issues, where other options (than death) could solve the problem. Social benefits are impossible to grant directly to a fetus without affecting the mother.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 Hey man, if you're willing to call the intimacy of a mother and her child a *parasitic* relationship, then I don't think you need to be arguing semantics with me over the welfare problem in this country. The point is that they live off of us without contributing, they need us to BABY-sit them while they live INSIDE our society. So if you're okay with abortion, then don't let me hear you bitching about capital punishment, euthanasia or sterilizing retards.
melbyRick 1 month ago
@melbyRick I agree with you in so many ways, don't get me wrong. I'm against abortion, but I'm also for liberty. You say that it's semantics, but again I disagree. Not all mothers have an "intimate" relationship with their fetus. It is not a stretch or even inaccurate to say that in these cases, we are dealing with a literally parasitic relationship. Forcing a mother to carry an unwanted fetus to term can be a violation of her rights. Do sperm have rights? Is masturbation genocide?
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 "Is masturbation genocide?"... Well I don't know. Is bleeding genocide? Blood cells are living things too. But if you put blood on an egg, it doesn't turn into a zygote or begin growing into a human being. By themselves these components do not form a new living organism. So no, ejaculation and PMS are not genocide. But abortion is, and just because some people have no feelings does not mean we let them get away with murder. This argument is getting ridiculous
melbyRick 1 month ago
@melbyRick I don't find it ridiculous at all. You are a smart person, so it's nice for me to read your replies. I will leave you alone from now on because I can tell that you are so tired of this discussion. I just don't think potentiality matters. What "may possibly someday grow into something with rights" doesn't count as "something that has rights now." That is why I chose the sperm example. Sorry for bothering you.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 *Potentiality* is the only thing that makes the human race even worth our time, man. Otherwise we wouldn't even bother with rights or laws in the first place. Potential is the only thing that we've got at this point. We have so many horrible people in our society, but we keep living because of the potential that the future might be better, and that people might be good. Hey, but that's fine. I'm done arguing too. Good luck...
melbyRick 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 And guess what, kids often pose difficulties and inconveniences to their parents, but if a man kills his child because he's tired of hearing it crying, then what happens to him? He gets thrown in jail for life, hopefully executed. Children are under the parent's care, but that doesn't dehumanize them. Otherwise it would be legal to kill seventeen-year-olds because they are not legally adults and they are still dependent upon their parents. Abortion is nonsense.
melbyRick 1 month ago
@melbyRick Children are alive and have human rights and capabilities. They are human now, not "future humans." They are external beings, not literally physically linked with biological connections to their parents bodies. That is why abortion isn't just called "murder," although many people still try to equate them, there is a difference.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@TheOverpowered1 Children only have limited human capabilities. They aren't even capable of reproduction until after they hit puberty. They can't even talk until they turn 2 or 3, maybe even 4 or 5. Sorry, but I'm done. No abortion advocate is ever going to make sense to me, because all they do is try to rationalize the issue in their own best interest. Anybody can do that for anything. The worst things we ever done were always rationalized for good reasons. Goodbye.
melbyRick 1 month ago
@melbyRick Ok, you may be smart, but you are naive in your generalizations. Calling people "abortion advocates" and "pro-death" is insulting and completely misrepresents them. You act as if people WANT abortion for its own sake, when all they are doing is defending the rights of a woman over the rights of society to govern what she does with her body. End of story. What do people have to gain from abortion in general? Nothing. The point is to talk so we ALL can learn and share.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
@melbyRick By the way, the point of law is to provide a sense of justice and security, not to reach "our human potentiality." It is not there to make us feel good about our progress. It is there to restrict our actions that affect the other humans around us. The pro-choice issue is about defending an individual living human (now), and her right to make her own decisions about her body. Forcing morality on others is useless anyway... it never works. It is egotistical and immoral.
TheOverpowered1 1 month ago
I can't believe people are still arguing over all this stem-cell and abortion shit. Look, there's only one argument to have concerning the legality/morality of abortion, and its the argument of the value of human life. I know all you selfish pricks want to dehumanize anything that inconveniences you, and you religious zealots want to use the bible for EVERYTHING, but here's the deal: An unborn child is a living thing, both legally and practically. If its life doesn't matter, then who's does?
melbyRick 4 months ago
One of the few times I have ever heard Cenk be a rational, understanding, tolerable person.
joker52mlb 5 months ago
BWAHAHAHAHA "I'm just as moral as you, but I just happen to have a different opinion about who owns that money in your pocket, and my right to shoot you" LOL
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago
Cenk is GAY1
knew it LOL
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago
Pro Choice? What is that? So you mean to tell me and others here that if a pregnant woman in her first trimester can loose her baby if she is hurt by someone and that someone is not responsible of manslaughter?
One can be pregnant murdered and not have the guilty charged for 2 murders?
Is that what you mean? Forget if its a baby or not. Its a life and you know that!
A organism of any sort is a life. The moment you take a life you take a life! That is Murder in any court! Abortions end life!
sepsi112 6 months ago
@sepsi112
Watch my video and you'll see how fucked up the law is.
Courts were NEVER supposed to have final say over law-- the STATES were through their people.
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago
We must not demonize people with different opinions than ours.
squamish4244 6 months ago
CENK IS PROUD TO BE PRO-DEATH,,,,its not pro-choice,,,no one has a inalienable right endowed by their creator to murder a child growing in their womb. They have a responsibility to prevent unwanted preg. no one has a right to use the partially formed child of another person for medical experiments. the problem is that men who hate Christ love death ,,,they think they have the right to take the life of an infant and dissect it like a frog in biology and thats immoral ,,there is none good not one
candiceevans1 6 months ago
"there are decent human beings who have a different perspective on it"
yeah, it's called IGNORANCE
AstriaICOW 6 months ago
Isnt this guy muslim? then if so, wouldnt he be against abortion and other things that relate to being pro-choice?
Cappello101 6 months ago
2:05 cenk's proud of it.I'm proud that I taught english(police)"men": respect,manners,honour(Jim's a good person like me).EastEUROpean youngLadies are proud they win@_English_Wimbledon.The Argentines are proud coZ their ladies Cook (like the French/Italians,Spanish,CHINESE,etc),danceTango,playPolo &learnt the englishLanguage too.However,english preteen! "GIRLs"=TOILETs are proud that they beg/PAY! men for the men to Pee,Cum+evenPOO! into theWCs' HungryMOUTHs as theWCs are bored,nothingElse toDo
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 6 months ago
Jim Caviezel probably won that argument, that's why Liberal McProgressive doesn't mention a word about the content of it.
luguhah 7 months ago
2:02 well nobody's perfect.I'm sad that Jim isN't keen on StemCell stuff (the cells might help my arthritis) but @least he isN't a (Foreign)Ladies'-HATEr like all white,english"men"=MINGEs who are all PAEDOs (and /or GAYs) since their own/english 8-10y.o."GIRLs" = daughterWCs Beg/PAY men 4PORN Sex with white,english DADdy's pocket money which they 1st watch on the laptops/WEB ( bought by daddy too) then ActOut.UKchannel5,-WrightShow,daytime!,said_All"girls"@festivals,inTents-hide theSAUSAGEs-_
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 7 months ago
Wow u play Jesus in a movie an all of a sudden u have multiple personality issues
KingB704 7 months ago
@TheYoungTurks you find "you betray me with a kiss" to be judgmental? how many times have you "judged" conservatives over the years? I know you have clarified in videos you mean the right wing maniacs, but Caviezel isn't a maniac, he's a good man with a view that you don't share, and he's still "judgmental" somehow. Sigh, the "judging" argument can't be won, unless your view doesn't count, or you don''t follow the judge's rules. You're a funny guy, but i just don't agree with you sometimes.
Augray37 7 months ago
young turks, we will pray for you.
carlo1775 7 months ago
please log on to equip.org search abortion jim caviezal has a lot of guts to go against the worldly/satanic system
soulkiss1001 8 months ago
This guy is such a tool.
laughallnite08 8 months ago
save the mother i mean.
Metasand 8 months ago
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Abortion ok in rape, incest and to save to mother.
Metasand 8 months ago
Abortion is wrong in my view except in rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. To ban abortion in rape and incest is not very nice to the mother i think, but abortion is wrong in other cirumstances.
Metasand 8 months ago
@Metasand
Why? If you think abortion is killing a person, it's irrelevant whether it's "nice to the mother." The fact that you think there's a different set of rules because it's an embryo shows that you recognize that there is a big difference between a non-conscious cluster of cells and an actual person with rights.
Nobody considers killing skin cells, bacteria or multicellular microorganisms an issue. Why is an embryo any different?
blackplatypus 3 months ago
@blackplatypus because God doesnt give skin cells, bacteria, or multicellular microorganisms a soul. Would you be dumb enough to believe that all life on earth is the same? of course not. Human beings have souls. We're made in the image and likeness of God. So sure when you kill a cow to eat it your killing, but dont tell me its the same as killing a human being
24forpresident 1 month ago
@24forpresident
Awww. You still think your religion has any relevance to politics. That's cute.
blackplatypus 1 month ago
No "good Christians" have a different opinion about it - period. Science has proved that there is a LIFE that you are talking about killing to better your own life when you practice stem cell research, or abortion. There are not people "just as moral" that believe it is okay to kill voiceless innocents. Yes you have a right to your opinion, even if it is shallow, immoral, and wrong. I am amazed that Caviezel would waste his time with you - shows he is a better man than you in so many ways.
FunkyJunkyDNA5 8 months ago
They honestly don't understand science. Decent human beings, perhaps, but uneducated for sure.
noellennon 8 months ago
betrayed with a kiss means...judas could have picked many ways to betray jesus and he picked a kiss?? thats what the phrase meant
roliver31483 9 months ago
How can Republicans who think they are Christians, be against social security and Medicare and the social programs that help the poor-but-- be for Jesus who wants us to help each other, and be for God being in the gov. when these so-called Christians fight against everything Jesus stood for?? whay hypocrites!!
sbhdawn 9 months ago
@sbhdawn not all republicans do believe that...just like not all democrats believe that gay marriage is ok. lol But this guy saying he is "pro-choice" is disgusting...that is just another word for murder. period. you have a choice to kill or keep your baby..what a sick world we live in...pathetic! people open your eyes!!
bethany2nirvana 8 months ago
@bethany2nirvana --I was speaking about stem cell embryos, not regular abortions! I did speak about the Christian Republicans being against the social programs that do so much to help the poor including low-income mothers and their babies. Tell me why they want all babies born, but after they are born--those same people DO NOT WANT to help that baby with any gov. social programs that will help it to thrive?? It's like, yes have the baby, but after that--who cares?
sbhdawn 8 months ago
@sbhdawn Some of them DO want to help.I consider myself conservative. So, in your words your saying, kill the baby bc they wont have any financial support afterwards? Now that doesnt make sense. Life is life..and if you take away life, you are murdering..and taking stem cells from a embryo will more than likely take the embryos life..so equals same thing. I believe in support for a while, not for the rest of your life. Its called get off your ass and work for your child!! Do whatever it takes!
bethany2nirvana 8 months ago
@bethany2nirvana ---The embroys are going to be destroyed anyway--so why not let them be good for something.? In fact the majority of people receiving food stamps or the Wick program-providing formula for infants and toddelers--goes to people who already work full time, but their salareis--which are not "living wages" does not allow them to pay for the ever rising cost of rent, plus utilities and still have something left to buy food or formula! You are the one that does not care about life!
sbhdawn 8 months ago
@sbhdawn wow, so again your saying that it is ok for them to destroy embryos ( human life). So your logic, since they are already doing somthing awful i might as well benefit from it :) I cant believe people like you..seriously. And you obviously didnt see my comment..I DO agree people should have benefits..i have had them before. For a short term. It is not something to live off of!! That is my point. I dont care ab life?? Thats why im against abortion right? lol do you know your point here?
bethany2nirvana 8 months ago
sbhdawn: "The embroys are going to be destroyed anyway"."FUNny"that James was in -Nature'sGrave/TheLongWeekend- (abortion theme; I had had some_abortion &euthanasia_ISSUEs). James had had leg/FOOT PROBlemS, I now have osteoarthritis & saw that_StemCells_might grow me in Future (if I have theMoney), a new Hip/LEG Joint/Cartilage but not FOOT1. I wish I had not had my1stTermination in 1990/1991, I would have had a baby by an Italian and maybe settled in CIVIILised ITALY not CUNTs'UK, in1994. 2:00
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 7 months ago
I just don't understand why Republicans who believe they are also Christians--are so against the gov. helping the poor and downtroden as Jesus said to do?? This stem cell thing is rediculious, as the embro they get the stem cells from is destined to be destroyed anyway!! the scientist that eventually destroys them--is he commiting murder? No, so what diff does it make if they are used for stem cell research since they will be destroyed anyway?
sbhdawn 9 months ago
dude ur so mental!!half of the time i wonder wat u speak and the remianing half i wonder why u speak!!
ThePopie123 9 months ago
It's unfortunate that this guy has a show.
senseijosesuave 9 months ago
I can appreciate Cenk's tolerance here even if he is wrong. It's the first time I've seen him this way.Just goes to show you how the Love of Christ can shed light on even the hardest of hearts. God bless Jim Caveziel.
firesidechet 9 months ago 2
It's not a life? what is it then?
JesGabBreMar 9 months ago 2
@JesGabBreMar
Stem Cells.
elisionguitarist 9 months ago
@JesGabBreMar It's just a bunch of cells. Living, but not "a life". For me, and anyone reasonable, a human life must at least have a brain/central nervous system for it to be considered alive. There has to be some capacity to think or experience. That's why brain dead is basically dead - when someone is on life support and goes brain dead, we turn the machines off. A consistent pro-lifer would advocate keeping the body going until it eventually got old and died - even though it's just a shell.
coolman9999uk 3 months ago
'Betray me with a kiss', jesus' line to Judas,...
you gotta be pretty full of yourself to act and talk like Jesus, when you only played him in a crappy movie...
cwongchung 11 months ago
100 % AMERICAN
SCUBONZIES 11 months ago
I bet that if Sarah Palin had chosen to kill her unborn son and had urged her daughter to kill her unborn grandchild, this guy Cenk would be a huge Palin fan. But because she chose life over death, Cenk hates her guts and the marrow of her bones. There was a priceless moment at the Governor's debut on the national stage when the little girl Piper lovingly stroked her baby brother's hair. It crystalized in one moment the pure evil of those who celebrate "the right" to murder unborn babies.
stuntbaby63 11 months ago
i loved him in count of monte christo..(my favorite movie) but i gotta say this has nothing to do with jim cavazel.. or the article..
hes from SPAIN. spain is a very catholic country.
he was probably raised catholic.
religion corrupts. end of story.
ssips720 1 year ago
@ssips720 No it is part of being a person that we can be corrupted by much in life..as far as my experence goes Catholics reconize this as a universal truth..
The line of thinking that we as a society would be on the door steps of Utiopia if it wasn't for certian religions, classes, and more in the past races of people, has been horrific in the 20th century and goes directly against the catholic way of looking at the world.
EasyEs 11 months ago
@ssips720 If you were the one being aborted, and Jim defending your life, I bet you wouldn't call him corrupted anymore!
6MemoryOfForever9 11 months ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 on the contrary..
ssips720 10 months ago
Just because a fetus isn't as developed as an infant, doesn't make it less of a human. And just because a child isn't as developed as an adult, doesn't make it less of a human.
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@aaa333ify
No, but because a fetus hasn't developed a nervous system, DOES mean it is incapable of suffering.
Just because a particular bundle of cells has human DNA, doesn't render it eligible for rights. (good luck giving rights to sperm, eggs and tumors)
We don't give the same rights to children as we do to adults and we don't give the same rights to fertilized eggs as we do to things that can think and feel.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Actually, its nervous system is fully developed by week 8.
Its not just a bundle of cells, and you know that.
"We don't give the same rights to children as we do to adults..."
We give both children AND adults the right to life.
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@aaa333ify
"Actually, its nervous system is fully developed by week 8."
that's just a flat-out lie. The brain connections to experience things like pain don't exist until at least 24 weeks.
"We give both children AND adults the right to life."
and we don't give fetuses the right to life. neither do we give that right to most other parasitic organisms. Why does whether it has human DNA or not matter?
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@aaa333ify
"The reason sperm and eggs don't have rights is because they are not human life."
why not? just because they have half the chromosomes? people with down syndrome have extra chromosomes, do they also not qualify as human?
"Scientifically speaking, human life begins at conception."
Says who? I fail to see many doctors who would agree with that. particularly due to the number who perform abortions.
legally speaking, life begins at birth.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus
Of course a philosophy like that has to conveniently exclude a thought process that if you follow it through makes you realise that once a fetus is concieved, there is an almost certain chance that it will gestate and be born. Im turned off by bible thumping, gun toting right wingers, but just as must by the mental gymnastics liberals use to justify abortion.
You just cant justify it.
The womans rights do not trump the unborns rights. Not by a long way. The opposite may be true.
outofslumber 10 months ago
@outofslumber
So... what you're saying is non-sentient cells get rights because they will probably become people some day?
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
There is no probably about it. Mental gymnastics. Those non-sentient cells was "YOU". They grew into you. From a scientific standpoint its a fair bet the consciousness that stems from those cells, (YOU FOR EXAMPLE) wont get another chance at life. Conception has happened. At that point you dont have the fucking right. PERIOD!! Its a consistent viewpoint against all activities resulting in destruction of life. Just like Im against war, starvation, murder and the death penalty.
outofslumber 10 months ago
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@outofslumber
"Those non-sentient cells was "YOU". They grew into you. "
and? You can say the same about sperm in my dad's testes or fluids my dad drank.
"wont get another chance at life."
and? sperm wont get another chance at life?
"At that point you dont have the fucking right. "
That's ENTIRELY arbitrary
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@outofslumber
"Its a consistent viewpoint against all activities resulting in destruction of life."
So you are consistently against the destruction of living cells? Have you ever scratched an itch? removing skin cells that are living is clearly evil.
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
Thats the mental gymnastics Im talking about. Thats the only way you can begin to justify it is to trivialize the fetus as a bunch of cells. Totally ignoring the fact every human on the planet was the same bunch of cells and no doubt most wouldnt have wanted to be snuffed out. Given a chance I expect theyd have begged for their life. After all it might be a one time deal. Trivializing the fetus is the only way you can begin to justify it. Its no more trivial than you or I.
outofslumber 10 months ago
@outofslumber
"to trivialize the fetus as a bunch of cells."
it is a bunch of cells.
"Totally ignoring the fact every human on the planet was the same bunch of cells and no doubt most wouldnt have wanted to be snuffed out."
Every human on the planet was once sperm. therefore sperm should have rights. Also, i didn't "not want to be snuffed out" because I didn't exist. there was no consciousness to speak of.
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
So what your saying is "your consciousness" is "not" in anyway related to your early existence as a fetus? That if you at say 2 months gestation were "ended", your consciousness because it didnt yet exist would find another way to exist. Is that what you think? That your consciousness would be channeled to another fetus? Are you serious. How could anyone be arrogant enough to claim that. The only thing we know for sure is that your consciousness and the body/brain are linked.
outofslumber 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
A person is made of two halves. The egg and the sperm. Without the other the individual egg and sperm wont grow into anything. The argument can easily be made they arent sentient. But the gymnastics pro abortionists come up with comparing a sperm to a 2-3 month old child. And Im being kind as we know many abortions are carried out at week 24. Thats a 6 month old child. Its well beyond individual components of sperm and eggs. Conception was 6 months ago. It makes me feel sick!!
outofslumber 10 months ago
@outofslumber
"Given a chance I expect theyd have begged for their life. "
What things without consciousness? I'm sure rocks would beg not to be thrown in a lake if they could. what the hell does that mean?
"Its no more trivial than you or I."
Pretty much every one of your arguments also applies to gametes.
"I've heard the best of the arguments for abortion and they are pathetic."
Well, lucky you. All I'm yet to hear from you is "NO THEY'RE PEOPLE! LALALALALALALA"
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
What the hell are you talking about rocks and lakes. IDIOT. Your equating granite to the earliest stage of every humans developement. Your fucking warped in the head.
Rewind your obnoxious existence. Would you want a chance at life or would being snuffed out as those bunch of cells be fine? Your answer: I was just a bunch of cells. Yes, but they became you. Erasing those cells erases you.
Also you idiot I said "GIVEN THE CHANCE". English motherfucker do you speak it!!
outofslumber 10 months ago
@outofslumber
"Yes, but they became you. Erasing those cells erases you."
And? pretty sure people that don't exist aren't bothered by it. If we rewind the clock and stop your parents from having sex, you'd never exist. Therefore every time two people *dont* have sex, they're killing the person that would have been born?
"Comparing a fetus to a lump of rock. So disingenuous."
fetus' or, more accurately embryos have the same cognitive capacity as rocks and the same capability for suffering.
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
If you cant see that is pathetic reasoning I really feel sorry for you. At week 13 the nervous system is formed and the child can cry and feel pain. Thats almost half the limit. You can still abort 10 weeks after that.
Justify it with your "facts" if you want. but your facts arent facts. Thats the problem. Once again go look at the picture in the url of the 24 week "LUMP OF CELLS".
I cant be bothered with you. You cant even debate on an honest level.
outofslumber 10 months ago
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@outofslumber
"You cant even debate on an honest level."
It'd be nice if you can point out a single instance where I've lied...
It's trivial for me to point to one where you have.
"At week 13 the nervous system is formed and the child can cry and feel pain."
Flat. out. false. It takes all of 10 seconds to type in "fetus can't feel pain before" into google and obtain the slew of news reports on the recent study done in the UK. a study which brought the time DOWN from the previous US results.
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
Go back and read your argument. Its pathetic. Id be embarassed to write garbage like you've wrote. All I hear from you is "theyre just a bunch of cells", ignoring thats what you were. You cant disguise the fact that erasing them in "YOUR" developement would have erased you. Thats called logic. What you do is twist the argument, trivialize the early stage of a human life. Comparing a fetus to a lump of rock. So disingenuous. So intellectually dishonest. So fucking dumb!!
outofslumber 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
And really Im being sincere here when I say don't bother debating me. I've heard the best of the arguments for abortion and they are pathetic. You've pretty much covered them yourself. Throw in a "it's the womans right" or "what about rape" and thats the depth and breadth of the pro abortion argument. Personally the only time I think its justified is when the probability of both child and mother dying is an almost certainty. And even then its shaky moral ground!!
outofslumber 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
And what really ticks me off is getting called a right winger by dumbed down ignorant Americans who think everyone on the planets thought reside in a left or a right box. Fucking morons. Walking advertisements for the abolition of the United States. The worst retard Ive met on YT was a college professor who threw the right wing slur. I was so disappointed. Im not religious, or political. Im also not a hypocrite, and my view of snuffing out life is consistent across the board.
outofslumber 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
Go take a look at your bunch of cells. Right up to this time limit abortion is legal.
lifesablessing(DOT)org/FetalDevelopment2.htm
outofslumber 10 months ago
@blackplatypus
Primarily because the unborn cannot defend themselves. Would it be different if the unborn had a voice? Suppose that voice was saying "Please dont kill me". But there is no voice, so the womens rights come first. The child loses because its voiceless. Of course it doesnt work unless the mental gymnastics come in to decieve yourself that an unborn child isnt really a child but a lump of cells. Its a child and will be if left alone. Thats a cold, hard fact. A fact of life, even!!
outofslumber 10 months ago
@blackplatypus The reason sperm and eggs don't have rights is because they are not human life. Scientifically speaking, human life begins at conception.
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@blackplatypus
lifesablessing(DOT)org/FetalDevelopment2.htm
Get your sick bucket while you try to justify that as akin to a rock, or dead skin cells.
outofslumber 10 months ago
Cenk totally disagrees this is a life
lifesablessing(dot org)/FetalDevelopment2.htm
outofslumber 10 months ago
Cenk, you tubby bitch, you would cannibalize a fetus if they said it was legal to do so.
Douche!
MsFrosteetoes 1 year ago
@MsFrosteetoes why would he cannibalize a fetus?
clockworkscott 1 year ago
@clockworkscott
Liberals and commie's like him condone that sort of thing, and he looks hungry.
MsFrosteetoes 1 year ago
@MsFrosteetoes yes, but we much prefer a tasty christian.
clockworkscott 1 year ago
@TheYoungTurks
oh so cenk actually does know this. well sometimes i have the feeling he is forgetting this. remember what you said here, cenk!
DQ15 1 year ago
Well said Jim.
Naturalhit 1 year ago
Good job Jim and Good job Cenk for acknowleging opp. opinion.
southsidesman 1 year ago 11
HayateAce,U r right.Cenk is like theEnglish=allCUNT, "woMen".1:04 JAMes's voice, face, behaviour,etc=veryRELAXing & SEXi. Even cenk repeating the SEXy _hhm_ James did 2:00 is sooo FUNny. Even though it's hearsay/ReportedSpeech, having copied James, even cenk looks/SOUNDs FUNny almostSEXi. I wish i were an elevator attendant/assistant or cleaner/SCRUBber on that floor; I'd have TAKEnJames hostage. Never mind, it's never too late! i wonder what James smells like, i bet it's TASTEfully ...DIVINE!
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
@KGBfbiSECUpolitia You seem to have some sort of problem with making sense and following capitalization norms.
AWorldThatNeverWas 1 year ago
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englishCUNTs& their wcToo"KIDs" have been ruining theWorld4centuries.They clash inEvery!Aspect withEvery!Nation(even withScandinavians never mindGermans),PROUDly calling it"Culture"Clash when they have NO_CULTURE (never mind NO: ForeignLanguages,Cuisine but doN't even know theirOwnEnglish).HavingRAPEd,LOOTed&KILLed TheEntireWORLD(evenUSA),now theyR LOOSest,Most2FACEd,Laziest,especially theirSWINE"kids"=DESPERATEly BEGging/PAYing!4SEX,WCs.English8-10yearsOld"GIRLs"=PIGs,beg/Pay4!Men=Pee,Cum+SHIT
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
yes hes a fucking idiot
zafoquat 1 year ago
Cenk flunked out of college, so he winds up doing this dickhead show in his mom's basement.
HayateAce 1 year ago
@HayateAce Are u an dumbass? he's an graduate of Columbia law school.
kjaoend 1 year ago
@kjaoend He flunked out, learn how to do some research that isn't spoon fed up your bum-hole.
HayateAce 6 months ago
@HayateAce What is this I don't even
Xendinthian 1 year ago
No wonder I've never heard of this Cenk man.
EatingWater18 1 year ago
Jim Caviezel is a wounderful person i got to meet him in person
noscrubsone 1 year ago
what does the youth in Asia have to do with this
turo9992000 1 year ago 14
@turo9992000 euthanasia
FrostLagoon 11 months ago
@turo9992000 It is not youth in Asia...it is Euthanasia. Which is what they call mercy killing a killing that one decided for himself in order to avoid pain.
ever2jesus 9 months ago
@turo9992000 It is not youth in Asia...it is Euthanasia. Which is what they call mercy killing a killing that one decided for himself in order to avoid pain.
ever2jesus 9 months ago
@turo9992000 @turo9992000 It is not youth in Asia...it is Euthanasia. Which is what they call mercy killing a killing that one decided for himself in order to avoid pain.
ever2jesus 9 months ago
@turo9992000 HOLY COW - EMILY LITELLA LIVES ON!!!! ROTFL!
FunkyJunkyDNA5 8 months ago
@turo9992000 euthenasia
MrGish1 5 months ago
Cenk is an idiot
cafecitojcv 1 year ago
Cenk needs a boyfriend, that's what his whole problem is, it makes so much sense now, all that anger could be released, with a good man for him.
vidguy73 1 year ago
the title is confusing, i was expecting him to go off on about how jim caviezel was wrong. he just sat there and told a story
docj09 1 year ago 2
ur an ass
represent314 1 year ago
at the base of their hart, everyone is a decent human being. problem is, large parts of humanity are dumb as fuck, and therefore misplace a lot of their energy, such as love, hate and efforts.
gatskillz 1 year ago
Hey Cenk, are you done murdering Christian Armenians yet?
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@cloogerdude fox news is the worst of the bunch in my opinion.
chriskiefer79 1 year ago
@cloogerdude You made that conclusion based on what?
ftraderx 1 year ago
how ironic
supertito123 1 year ago
I think it was very nice of Jim Caviezel to put forth the time & effort to explain his position.A lot of people would have just ignored him.
thrummer1953 1 year ago
Who is this Cenk Uygur? A bloody Septic wanker, obviously. Thank heavens we don't get this rubbish Down Under. Perfect for the mentality of the Yanks.
jslasher1 1 year ago
@jslasher1 What are you on about mate? Caviezel and all the other religions loonies should be ignored at every available opportunity, until the rapture... or judgement day... or whatever bollocks they happen to believe to be true.
soundslave 1 year ago
@soundslave dont talk about christians like they are a bunch of lunatics. they far outnumber you. besides do you know how ridiculus evolution sounds? you wouldent even believe it if you didnt hear of the theory in science class.
Danz2003 1 year ago
@Danz2003 Actually, here in Britain, it's the other way around. Secular and proud. Also, can you explain your interpretation of Evolution to me? I want to make sure we're reading from the same page (and I don't mean a page from Genesis).
soundslave 1 year ago
@soundslave well if you say so, but regardless there are plenty of christians and you dont need to go insulting them because their theory sounds crazy. Evolution to me is some peoples belief and some peoples excuse not to believe in anything else. Its a theory with lots of holes in it. the majority of the people ( like Britain as you say) havent done any of the research to find out for themselves and are just listening to their teachers.
Danz2003 1 year ago
@Danz2003 I did no research, but for the last 200 years, scientists have done. At least I don't use a book written 2000 years ago for my answers. Btw, how does the bible explain bacteria on Mars? As far as I remember God only made life on Earth.
soundslave 1 year ago
@soundslave i suppose there is no point in arguing because i know for certain it it doesnt get you anywhere. Scientists disagree a lot and scratch theories out and add new ones in. Bacteria on mars really has no place in the bible because it doesnt talk about every little detail and mainly talks about people. But even if you do disagree you should have the decency not to call people crazy for not agreeing with you. Everyones theory sounds crazy to an outsider and you dont need to insult.
Danz2003 1 year ago
Cenk I hope you got his number. I mean if he was so goof looking to catch your eye and you just had to say something. Well those are the first signs of something stirring deep in your loins. There has never been a dude I have seen that I just had to say something to. Cenk if your wandering does this story make you gay? No, it's the Caviezel all over your mouth that makes you gay and then to top it off while your eye to eye for 20 min. he seduces you into thinking he's a "good guy",cenk man up
1mdmack 1 year ago
Jim Caviezel has always been pretentious. Never liked him.
Key2daUnderground 1 year ago
Key2daUnderground & stigler30 may be the SMALLest CUNTs coZ their tiredToo wcMUMs might be the most WornOut TOILETs=theBIGgest CUNTs.
0:42 , 0:50 I agree with cenk just on this, JAMes isDIVINElyHEAVENly.
2:50, sumTURKs=always2FACEd. (RICHer)Turkish PROstituteS inTurkey (Not smart enough2travel2 UK where white englishMen payLOTs coZ their Own preTEEN!DAUGHTERs do it4every1 4Free!=Boring & v.DIRTY), moaned that ROMANian PROs inTurkey Brought PRICEsDown.The OTTOMANs hadGREATlyLOOTed ROMANia
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
This guy is a fucking asshole! Why do you Americans give this fucking turk loser any airtime! This guy should just go and stick a kebab up his ass and then maybe he'll talk some sense!
BloodOfRayne 1 year ago
This guy is a fucking asshole! Why do you Americans give this fucking turk loser any airtime!
BloodOfRayne 1 year ago
@BloodOfRayne Are you calling him an asshole because he supports stem cell research?
soundslave 1 year ago
Jim Caviezal may be one of the most massive douchebags in the world.
stigler30 1 year ago
@stigler30 what would ever oblige you to say that?
Danz2003 1 year ago
Jim Caviezel made Cenk His Bitch
TheStudyOfPedro 1 year ago
I have never met Jim in person, but I've heard from many other people who have met him that he is the nicest, kindest, most humble and down-to-earth human being you could ever meet.
This moron, (Cenk), is making Jim out to look like a jerk.
AFVfan1 1 year ago
I love Jim Caviezel (what I've seen of him in interviews).
wildflower789 1 year ago