people its a spoiler why do you think he only has one eye its izuna madara takes his eyes out dies then izuna get revived by orchimaru and went to his and took his brothers eye back
When you look at it I believe pein is stronger why bcz Konan proved that hes not invicible he has limits too like he cant stay in illusion forever also peins rinnengan has no limiys and he even said that his eyes are the bridge between life and death bcz he wass able to bring all those people back.
Naruto has the sages body..its been made obvious with the latest Kyuubi transformation he gained..just look at the markings then look at an image of the Sage..
Its strange that the "sages eyes" have constantly been Sharingan even tho the sage had Rinnegan..Uchiha & Senju are direct decendants from the sage..
Nagato was an Uzimaki..but possessed the Rinnegan..Nagato and Naruto were closer to the Sage brothers then Sasuke and Naruto are..Rinnegan vs Body and both descendants from same clan..
Why? Well, for starters, let's acknowledge the fact that Pain's.."Power" came from.."Madara's Eyes." And the fandom who label this statement as false, are just being opinionated and biased. There's evidence to back up his claims. Nagato couldn't fully tap into the Rinnegan's potential.."Likely because they're not his eyes." having his life force drained when executing certain techniques. Had his body emaciated and confined, after summoning the Gedo Mazo statue. (Continued.)
Finally, the lack of Madara's Eternal Mangekyo. It's painfully obvious he does not possess it, otherwise, he wouldn't have blatantly sacrificed the random left eye, in his fight with Konan. The final piece of evidence is the fact that Madara, in most recent chapters, is manipulating the Gedo Mazo like his own personal tool.
It's interesting to note that HE'S not being pierced by any sudden chakra rods, or emaciating defects. Likely because he's the RIGHTFUL wielder.
This is the last time I will repsond to you. I dont know why you are always checking the comments here , seems like you have no life. Lol , it seems like YOu are the one who does NOT read the manga. Nagato awakened the rinnegan when he was less than ten years old when his parents were killed by konoha ninjas. Since hes 10 years old hes able to use any ninjutsu. AND LOOOl , nagato wasnt 30 years old then , in fact , he was less than 20 years old when he fought against hanzou.
@1ShinraTensei And the only reason he was not able to control it was because he used it the first time , he didnt use it on purpose , he was young , he was in rage. When sasuke first time used amatersau he fucked himself up. To madara : unfair conditions? Sure , someone who possesses the eternal mangekyou sharingan and has the power over the kyyubi and fights someone with no doujutsu is in and infair condition. Yes you such a fanboy.
@1ShinraTensei He got fucked by hasirama although he was in the advantage and thats a fact. Dont deny it. And when he fought against yondaime he was still able to use that teleport jutsu and even then , he had 100 years more experience than minato and was still owned by him ( with the kyyubi on his side ; again).
@1ShinraTensei learly indicating that you're a firm believer in Nagato's self-proclaimed god-like status.
CAn you please be even more gay? Dude , if u have seen my avatar you would know that im a fan of the rokidu sennin and not nagato. Youre such a stupid idiot.
Lol , I have absoloutely no idea why you stalk this video so much and wait for rreplys , you must have no life.
@1ShinraTensei Lol i cant believe you jsust said unfair conditions. Lol , he had everything on his side when he fought hashirama , eternal mangekyou sharingan amatersau, tsukoyomi the ultimate defence susano and KYUUBI and was still owned by a few mokuton jutsus. Plus he also had the power of his brother inside of him while hashirama had nothing on his side. Get your facts staright , read the manga , madara is overrated because he wasnt beaten yet. Sasuke will be narutos last opponent.
It doesn't matter how you see it. Yes, Madara lost the battle, but Hashirama didn't finish the job, did he? No. He assumed that Madara was dead and now everyone else has to pay the price for it.
Fact remains that nobody's been able to kill the guy. Why? Because he's master tactician. I'm aware that Madara is going to eventually die. But don't expect that we won't see him in action when the war comes. He'll possess his true power.
@VisualBoyAdvanceVBA no madara would have died if he didnt use that eye jutsu that danzo used against sasuke no he wouldnt die and now cant use his full power and beside the fact that hes a desensent of the sage of six paths like naruto
Yes, unfair? Why do you only bring Madara's abilities and not Hashirama's? We don't even know what all Hashirama could do. He can control tailed beasts, LIKE Madara. He possesses an ability called Mokuton, LIKE MADARA HAVING SHARINGAN. The only difference is that he used the most powerful Bijuu to defeat Madara.
I don't think so. Know how many times people say it and don't stick to it? You'd be the first. You'll reply. I'm responding because you're agreeing with a false statement. That's what Youtube's for. That's why a reply function was given.
Nagato was near the 30 age range when he fought Hanzo. The age description given to Yahiko, when Pain infiltrated the village, was 25-30 years of age. And he died during the Hanzo quarrel. The 3 of Jiraiya's followers were all the same age.
Stubborn uchiha fanboy. Yes , he gained control over kyuubi. Why would the user of the eternal mangekyou sharingan lose control over kyuubi to someone with no doujutsu? Shows how weak madara is. Yes he anticipated his betrayal , but still wouldnt be able to do something about it.
Yes he was given the rinnegan just like sasuke was given the sharingan? Lol , stupid? He got the rinnegan when he was a kid. Idiot , its a kekkdai genkai.
@1ShinraTensei Lol. Difficulties controlling its power? dude , nagato was still a kid back then who didnt know how to contrrl his powers just like naruto didnt know how to control kyuubi. Furthermore he was in rage and also not able to control his emotions. Jesus you are such a retard. Wow rikodu sennin and his first son possessed it fine because they had trained it over the years. I dohbt that they were able to control it perfectly since the very beginning.
The only reason that Madara lost to Hashirama was because of his wife and the fox. o_o Several times? Both times that he's lost a fight, they were infair condition's.
A 3-on-1 fight, and then fighting the strongest Kage in his severely damaged state.
@1ShinraTensei Madara even himself stated that pein is unbeatable. Pein never lost a battle (except against naruto, but hes the protagonist so it was expectable) while madara got his ass kicked serveral times by people who had no doujutsu and no kekkai genkai ( yondaime ).
@1ShinraTensei The only reason why nagato followed his orders was because he needed him to get all bijuus. I mean , madara and nagot had diffrent intentions with the bijuus. Madara is not the only one who can make plans. I have no idea why people think that hes a genius. He lost kyuubi two times , a genius wouldnt make the same mistake a same times.
..And you're still overlooking the fact that Nagato's Rinnegan was given to him. It was revealed in the latest chapter. Kishi emphasized on the page for a reason.
Nagato was 30 years of age by the time he combated Hanzo, and he still hadn't mastered the Rinnegan. Gedo Mazo is proof of this.
Why does this have to be a fanboy matter? It has nothing to do with favoritism. I'm stating the facts that were brought out in the manga. Nagato's Rinnegan does not belong to him.
Now some will say , madara would simply teleport himself to nagato and finish him off there. Ehhm , noo ? Madara wont be able to find his hideout , he doesnt have the same ability like the fourth hokage to sense chakra (or like naruto in sage mode). Even then , madara always has to materlize himself when he teleports someone , in that moment pein could finish him off with his blades or with shinra tensei. he could also absorb him , cause that technique is a ninjutsu.
Might wanna try reading the latest chapters. Kushina revealed that Hashirama gained control of the fox in his battle with Madara. That's why he even won.
Furthermore, Madara has already stated to Zetsu.."I anticipated Nagato's betrayal." which means he had a back up plan should he ever rebel against him.
And the latest chapter also proved that Nagato was GIVEN the Rinnegan. If not for Madara, he wouldn't even be as powerful as he was.
It all makes sense now as to why Nagato had difficulties controlling its power. Gedo Mazo is a pure example of this. The Sage Of Six Paths and his elder son possessed the Rinnegan just fine, yet Nagato's powers didn't compare.
The power was given to him. So, you can thank Madara for providing you with your.."Almighty Pain." He was all power and no brains.
Evo is completely right. Dude , even at his pinnacle of his opower he still got his ass kicked WITH THE ETERNAL MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN AND KYUUBi , by shodai who had no doujutsu to help him. After that he got his ass kicked by the fourth hokage who was trained by jiraya and we all know that jiraya was no match for pein. Now some will say : omg but if he knew his secret .... bla bla bla ? Remember that pein used only a single jutsu to own him : summoning jutsu.
He could also use shinra tensei to keep madara on distance. Btw , madara has to materilaze himself everytime he attacks someone , in that moment , nagato would just use shinra tensei and finish his sorry face off. Not even his eternal mangekyou sharingan would help him , madara himself stated that the rinnegan is by far superior. Now please go and read the manga and shut the fuck up , emo uchiha fanboy.
Pain stated, after his fight with Jiraiya.."If not for our secret, we could not have won." Thus implying that he's defenseless. It's a bit hard to absorb Madara's body, when his own teleportation allows him to erase his body at will.
After Nagato sacrificed himself, Madara stated.."I anticipated Nagato's betrayal." Do you honestly think he would recruit Nagato, if he didn't have some means of putting him down? He's no idiot.
More importantly, Madara is "Severely damaged." He can't do anything, besides Space/Time Continuum. At the the pinnacle of his power, he would demolish Nagato. The Tsuchikage bluntly stated that.."A man of Madara's caliber could do whatever he wished without setbacks."
Stop with this.."Emo" nonsense. All you're doing is being stereotypical. Heck, Pain could be made fun of in countless ways.
Such as taking orders and being manipulated by a lower class Kekkei Genkai.
Visualboy. Youre arugemts are stupid. Madara himself stated that he has no powers anymore because of the battle with shodai. He also stated that pain is unbeatable. Even then , do you think it would be so easy for someone just to go to nagatos hideout and kill him there? No , he would defend himself with his six bodies. And if madara tried to teleport hiim somewhere else , he would just absorb madaras body , after all the teleportation is a ninjutsu , and he can absorb any kind of ninjutsu.
Lol Pain will rape and kill madara. Madara himself stated that pain was unstoppable and his rinnegan is way stronger than the mangekyou sharingan. ( according to jiraya AND MADARA). So stop fooling yourself idiots.
Nagato himself is defenseless. It would be a simple matter of teleporting behind his real body, and sucking him up with Space-Time Continuum. Pain even implied in the past, during his fight with with Jiraiya, that his secret allowed him to win. Let's not forget that Madara stated he'd anticipated Nagato's betrayal. Do you honestly think he would recruit Nagato without a back up plan? Konan even stays by Nagato's side, further indicating that he's powerless.
PS: And I have to note that Madara's in a severely damaged state. Characters in the storyline have bluntly stated that, at the pinnacle of his power, Madara could execute any plan without a hitch. He's far more dangerous than Nagato.
@EvolutionDerLebwesen nnooooo the entetnal mangekyo sharigan is better than the rinnegan madara wants the rinnegan and byaukuyugan so he can be unstoppble SPOILER ALERT-madara has the rinnegan already and now neeeds the byakyugan
First of all madara is just a strong ass mother F*$%er....second of all sage naruto beat pein, and im going to imply that he would've beaten pein a lot faster if his sage mode didn't keep wearing off. Pein is thrid on the list cause he was only so damn strong cause he was a corpse being controlled by nagato with peircings all over his damn body from a far away distance. Sasuke is just there cause he is an Uchiha
Madara has eternal mangekyo sharingan, which is at least as strong as rinnegan.
However, Pain is the 2nd strongest character in the show, after Madara. It would be a long and tough fight, but I think Madara would win in the end. However, I bet Madara would be extremely exausted by that time.
Madara is probably the only character on the show who could beat Pain. Pain would have won the fight against Naruto if Naruto hadn't transformed into his kyuubi form. Pain already had Naruto beaten before Naruto transformed. Also, Pain could have killed Naruto (he had quite a few opportunities) if he didn't need to take Naruto alive. For example, he could have stabbed Naruto in the heart when he had him pinned to the ground with his swords.
And I totally agree about his fight with Naruto. Pain DID have him beaten. Oh, by the way. Chapter 478 is released on mangastream, in case you didn't know. ;]
@ Manatsujeki Pein isn't invincible because he seperated his power between the other 6 bodies if he had never done that he would be near invincible. I mean having the abilities of all the other bodies plus being able to use all the elements.
Well, her full statement was.."There's no point in describing the target with such scary language. Pain has never lost a fight." Madara's only response was a slight chuckle, and replied.."Well, that's true."
Technically, Madara wouldn't even have to contend with Pain. If it were his wish, he could simply warp to Nagato's actual body.."Which is severely emaciated." He probably wasn't a mindless pawn, you're right. He did have his morals. But, I hardly remember Madara ever labeling him to be.."Invincible." Madara began describing the extent of Naruto's growth, as if he were doubting Pain's ability to capture him. Konan's the only person who made a similar statement.
Madara- "No wonder Jiraiya was called one of the three legendary sennin, if even the -Invincible- Pain had trouble with him. Konoha will be looking out for you now that you killed Jiraiya. The more time passes, the more chance they have of coming up with something. Move now, before things get difficult." He wasn't acknowledging Pain to be Invincible, it was a statement of sarcasm. Madara has scolded his abilities quite a few times, Lol.
He was just acknowledging Jiraiya's abilties as well, saying that Jiraiya must have been powerful if even Pain had trouble with him. I don't think he was being sarcastic, just saying Jiraiya must have been powerful if even the "invincible" Pain had trouble with him.
Well, If he truly believed that Pain was invincible, then he wouldn't have warned him about Naruto's apparent growth, Lol. We, the audience, know that he's far from being invincible. The only thing keeping him safe from harm, is his secret to manipulate deceased corpses into doing his bidding. His actual body's confined, and he's extremely emaciated.
Whether Madara believed that Nagato was invincible, or not, doesn't change the fact that Nagato would stand no chance against him. It's a simple matter of teleporting to his actual body, then sucking him into the Space/Time Dimension, leaving him there for all of eternity. ;P
I'm not saying Pain would beat Madara, its the opposite, but Madara wouldn't OWN Pain either. Also, since Madara can teleport to his actual body, Nagato would probably have the sense to keep a few of his bodies (or perhaps all of them) near him, so that they could protect him.
Anyways, Madara would win in the end, but he wouldn't pwn Pain.
I'm well aware that Pain could defeat practically anyone else, just not Madara. I'm comparing Pain to other people, I'm comparing him to Madara alone. Naruto would've lost the fight against him, had Minato not intervened in the fight.
Pain would also not be able to use the catastrophic power of the other corpses, near his actual body. The force would demolish the very place he's being contained in, and ultimately destroy himself. He'd not be able to pull a .."Shinra Tensei" close by.
*Not comparing. Anyways, the only significant blow to his plans was that he had intended on Nagato using Rinne Tensei to bring him back to life, on the off chance that Madara's killed. Madara also admitted that he anticipated Nagato's betrayal, so he obviously planned ahead.
Konan is actually Pain's partner, but it would be awesome if they were partners :). Especially if they were partners and took on the 5-village alliance together :).
no the manga say the rinnegan is the strongest eye but madara is bless with the rikudo sage spirit power or something like that so madara might win plus with out the rinnegan the sharingan would not be born
Naruto beat Pain after going back to his normal body because a) Pain had exhausted a lot of chakra on the kyuubi and b) Pain had to capture him alive. He had quite a few opportunities to kill Naruto, like when Naruto was pinned down to the ground by his swords.
If Naruto hadn't transformed, he wouldn't have beaten Pain.
Madara's eternal mangekyo sharingan is damaged because of his fight with the 1st hokage. Rinnengan is stronger because Madara himself said that the sharingan came from the rinnengan.
Well, that's only true to an extent. Rinnegan is the most revered of the Doujutsu, but Madara has complete mastery over the Sharingan. Nagato still hasn't tapped into the Rinnegan's full potential. If he himself were more powerful than Madara, then he would've been the one calling the shots. There's also no evidence to support that Madara's Eternal Mangekyou is damaged. Remember, he tamed the Kyubi 16 years ago, and it's been stated that the Mangekyou Sharingan is required to manipulate it.
Pein was only taking orders from Madara because it was in his best interest also Nagato is not really the leader type considering eventhough he was more powerful than Yahiko, Yahiko was the leader of the group. Nagato also killed the former rain village leader out of pure revenge not because he wanted to take control of the village.
Highly unlikely that Nagato was following Madara's orders, out of his own self interest. Madara admitted that Nagato was an easily influenced Individual, and even Minato agreed to this. It's only logical that Madara had methods to keep him under control, on the off chance that Nagato decided to rebel against him. His Space/Time Continuum is something Nagato would not be able to overcome. If it were Madara's wish, he could simply warp to Nagato's actual body, and execute his demise.
You are correct Pein was influenced by Madara but that does not mean he is stronger than him. Madara most likely got Pein to join the Akatsuki the same way he got Sasuke to join the Akatsuki by mentally manipulating him. Madara is not really an autocratic leader who would go so far as controlling his akatsuki members or forcing them to join Akatsuki most of the members joined of their own free will.
By you saying that Madara had methods of keeping Pein under control implies that Pein followed Madara's orders because he is somewhat afraid of him. This is not so Pein followed Madara''s orders because he thought both of them had the same goal that's why both of them never fought . Pein was under the impression that by collecting the tailed beasts he could cause a next ninja war and show people what true pain is but Madara's moon eye plan was completely different.
If Pein knew about the Moon's eye plan he would of definately revolted against Madara. The statue that is used for sealing the tailed beasts is Nagato's summoning considering he summoned it to defeat Hanzo's ninjas because of the death of Yahiko. If Madara was to attack Nagato himself he could summon the statue to rip out Madara's soul. Although I think that if Madara did attack Nagato himself he would have a good chance of winning but if both of them were at full strenght pein would win.
Well, if that's what you believe. To even lay a hand on Madara, Nagato would have to find a way around his Space/Time Continuum. Which is something nobody's been able to do."Including Minato and Itachi." Onoki has openly stated to the other kage's, that if Madara were in his prime, he'd be able to execute any plan without setbacks. Just because Nagato possesses the Rinnegan, doesn't make him the most powerful character. Madara's the main antagonist, which makes him the supreme being.
Furthermore, when did Nagato ever state that he's following orders for his own ideals? This is something people are making up, because they can't accept the fact that he was manipulated and brainwashed like a mindless pawn. On top of that, Nagato was well aware of Madara's goal to return his Sharingan to its former glory. What else would you suspect he'd do with that power once he obtained it? Obviously, Nagato knew he wanted world domination.
You also have no proof that Pein was aware of Madara's moon eye plan. It makes absolutely no sense that Pein would know of the moon's eye plan and still continue to follow Madara considering the moon's eye plan completely goes against Pein's plan. Nagato's plan was to use the tailed beasts to create an ultimate forbidden jutsu capable of destroying an entire nation and then for the different nations to use it against each other and realise the horror of war itself and experience true pain.
Apparently, you don't remember the meeting between Pain, Konan, and Madara.
Madara- "Soon, everything will be as it should. The Sharingan's true power. My power, Uchiha Madara's power."
What, you think Nagato sat there and was like.."Yep, he just wants his Sharingan's true power for no apparent reason."
Pain's idea of using the weapon to strike fear into the surrounding nations, is no different than Madara's plan to unite a world where there's no conflict, my friend.
Yes it is completely different Madara just wants to control everyone with the mugen tskuyomi. Pein wants to show people the horror of war. Nagato was not a weak mindless lackey as you think . Weak lackeys worship their leaders and see them as God. For example in Bleach Barragan's fraccion see him as a god and call him lord Barragan and Frieza's men call him lord Frieza. Pein on the other hand sees only himself as a god who has the power to change the world.
-Sigh- In the end, they are both trying to control people through fear and confusion. Just because Pain doesn't call him.."Lord" doesn't signify anything. He's made these various statements, along with Madara.
Pain- "What about the Kyubi?"
Madara- "You capture it. As leader, failure will not be tolerated." Madara would not bluntly threaten Nagato, if he couldn't defeat him.
Pain has also been seen, stating.."I'm under ORDERS from Madara to capture the Kyubi." It's no different.
Under Pein's plan there would be no more war in the ninja world and it's inhabitants would worship Pein as a god of peace. Under Madara's plan Madara is all powerful like a god able to control everyone including Pein. Why would Pein want Madara to become the god of the world if he [Pein] also wants to become the god of the world?
The major difference between Pein's plan and Madara's plan is that under Pein's plan he would become a god but under Madara's plan Madara would technically become a god.Pein's plan is similar to what happened in the rain village through war complete peace was brought to the rain village and the villagers worship Pein as a result of that and the villagers and Pein himself sees himself as a god of peace.
I'd also like to point out that summoning Gedo Mazo, would require a substantial amount of time. More Importantly, the statue can no longer be used as an offensive weapon, after Nagato became emaciated. The Shackles clearly exploit it's imprisonment. Madara has complete control over the statue, he doesn't need Nagato to do its bidding. The fact that he still intends to seal up the two remaining Bijuu, is proof of that.
If you still beg to differ about Nagato's Ideology, then provide a link with him stating he followed Madara orders for his own benefit. Otherwise, what you're saying is completely made up.
@ Manatsujeki I do not have a link with him stating he followed Madara orders for his own benefit but you do not have a link stating that he was a mindless pawn and had to follow Madara's orders. Sasuke is only following Madara's orders for his own benefit so why not the same with Pein.
I'd suggest you don't underestimate Madara's power, just because he's in a weakened state. Remember, he made the 8-man squad look like nothing.
Sai, Sakura, Naruto, Shino, Yamato, Kakashi, Hinata, and Kiba. He made each one of them look pathetic.
Madara's Space/Time Continuum is also far more advanced than the 4th Hokage's, and it's been verified. So we know he possesses abilities even greater than Minato himself. I don't know what other proof you need. `-`
Nagato wanted to create this monstrosity of a weapon to be used by other nations,so that everyone would realize true Pain. And Madara wants to cast an infinite Tsukuyomi, to establish a world where there's no quarreling. You tell me how either one of those goals is justified.
Pain wasn't a "mindless pawn," but he was following Madara's orders, and I doubt he was planning on betraying Madara. Pain wasn't really a "mindless pawn" though, I think he was more valuable than that. However, Pain wasn't planning on betraying Madara or anything like that.
lol if both were at full strength Madara would definitely win. Though Madara claims to be weak after his fight with the first, if that's true, then Pain might win. If its not, then Madara would still win. For some reason, I'm still doubting that Madara really is weakened, so yeah, I'd say Madara would win.
Not really Pein at full strength has the same abilities as his six other bodies plus according to Jiraiya Pein demonstrated the ability to achieve all six changes in chakra nature. Pein is also so strong that god realm Pein destroyed the leaf village. Can Madara destroy an entire village so easily?
In the manga when Madara talks about the moon's eye plan he told the kages he was a mere shell of himself because of the fight with the 1st hokage plus Itachi mentioned it also. I don't really think you need the mangekyo sharingan to control the fox you can do it with the normal sharingan considering Sasuke was able to control Orochimaru's giant purple snake with the normal sharingan .
"Thinking" isn't really necessary. The manga clearly stated that you must possess the Mangekyou to tame Kyubi, and you can't argue with that. Manda/Orochimaru's snake is also a mere summoning, you can't compare it to a Bijuu. I'm well aware that his body is severely damaged, but it's never been stated that Madara lost his Eternal Mangekyou. Itachi also stated that.."Madara remains alive and well, as do his -eyes- and their power." Itachi must've seen his face, to state this with such conviction.
@darthvader7888 Madara actually Stated the Nagato( aka Pain) was unstoppable, Madara also found the rinnegan was powerful and wanted to use it for himself.
Madara would kill pain because jariya killed three pains using genjutsu and the uchihas are masters of genjutsu because of their sharingan and madara has mangekyou sharingan so he could kill pain.
dudes...it doesnt matter if naruto has surrpassed kage level or if hes the strongest konoha ninja...right now the five nations prepare for a great ninja war combined they have pretty much unbeatable power...akatsuki is almost destroyed left akatsuki members are Kisame,Madara,Konan and zetsu or whatever his name is...cummon...they're just four ppl and have the power of 7 bijuus...but vs 5 nations...thats stupid...
pain is stonger because the true power of the rinnegan is to control life and death. madara said that he didnt control the kyuubi but a natural disaster. and pain said how can naruto withstand his chakra face to face. pain did not lose pain used all his remaining chakra to control life and death, just as he did to konoha villagers
dudue, ug uys r stupid for thinking pein is stronger then madara...... frist of all madara was a match against the 1st hokage, and naruto sage mode owned pein.... you think at this very moment naruto has supassed one of the hokages your surly mistaken..... he hasn;t supassed his farther yet, but one day he will.
lol, Madara IS stronger than Pain, but you're seriously underestimating Pain.
First of all, Pain beat Hanzo, who was able to beat all 3 Sannin (who are all Kage-level ninjas). Meaning that Pain could probably hold his own against about 3 Kage-level ninja. Also, he OWNED Jiraiya, who is also Kage level. As for Naruto, Naruto didn't beat Pain because of sage mode, he won the fight because of the kyuubi. Remember Pain had Naruto beaten until Naruto transfromed.
Pain is more powerful than any of the hokage... except perhaps the first. Madara IS more powerful than Pain, but you're wrong when you say that Pain would be no match for one of the hokage, coz he beat Hanzo, who was able to beat THREE Kage-level ninja no problem. Madara IS stronger than Pain, but you're seriously underestimating Pain's powers.
His fight against the 1st Hokage is something I'd like to discuss with you, since you seem to be a fan who relies on logic, rather than his own biased opinion. Do you think that Madara possessed his Space/Time Continuum ability, during his fight with Hashirama? I have this feeling that it's something he acquired during his 80 year absence, which is what makes him extremely versatile now. It just seems a bit far-fetched that The 1st could take on Madara+Kyubi+Space/Time Continuum.
I agree that the 1st Hokage couldn't take on Madara+Kyuubi+his space/time technique. I was also thinking that Madara's space/time technique was something he obtained in his 80 year "absence."
And btw, I'm not a Pain fanboy, I like Pain, he's cool and badass and all that, but I like Madara even more :). They're my 2 favorite characters in the show.
They are 2 great shinobi, but I think Madara is better than Pein, because he's the controller of Kyuubi, the first Uchiha using Mangekyou Sharingan, etc...
the only reason pain did what madara said was because he needed madara to control the beasts and madara could probably kill pains real body. NOT because sharingan beats rinigan but because nagato was redicusly weak from overuse of rinigan. sorry sharingan fans, sharingan doesnt make anyone gods, normal ninjas could still beat them.
not true unlike real sharingan users pain could only use 60% of his power though his eyes sharingan is better because the small fact you can get unlimited life by taking someone other ms eys& not only that madara cant did& hes thetrue master of the sharingan & sasuke will be next
madara isnt in his real body he is in the 4th mizukages body, so hes like orochimaru but he doesn't do that three year shit he can just take the body with his sharingan, pein or rikuduo what ever his name is is reborn
Naruto is stronger LOL haha
1998kyler 2 months ago
people its a spoiler why do you think he only has one eye its izuna madara takes his eyes out dies then izuna get revived by orchimaru and went to his and took his brothers eye back
TheShanedawsonfan55 5 months ago
When you look at it I believe pein is stronger why bcz Konan proved that hes not invicible he has limits too like he cant stay in illusion forever also peins rinnengan has no limiys and he even said that his eyes are the bridge between life and death bcz he wass able to bring all those people back.
777mayuri 7 months ago
its simple pain can not be beat he just has to look at him and hes dead thats if pain chooses to do that
theultamatepain123 7 months ago
Madara himself claimed that Nagato(pain0 was invicible. Of Course Pain will Win.
dracoblue23x 7 months ago
Naruto has the sages body..its been made obvious with the latest Kyuubi transformation he gained..just look at the markings then look at an image of the Sage..
Its strange that the "sages eyes" have constantly been Sharingan even tho the sage had Rinnegan..Uchiha & Senju are direct decendants from the sage..
Nagato was an Uzimaki..but possessed the Rinnegan..Nagato and Naruto were closer to the Sage brothers then Sasuke and Naruto are..Rinnegan vs Body and both descendants from same clan..
D3ATHBYFIR3 11 months ago
The Rinnegan can do just about anything Madara can do.
If the EM Sharingan was stronger, why did Madara want the Rinnegan?
Pain had to hold back against Naruto because he's a jinchuriki.
Madara even acknowledged Pain as Akatsuki's strongest.
Tell me exactly WHY you think Madara's stronger.
untouch59 1 year ago 8
@untouch59
Why? Well, for starters, let's acknowledge the fact that Pain's.."Power" came from.."Madara's Eyes." And the fandom who label this statement as false, are just being opinionated and biased. There's evidence to back up his claims. Nagato couldn't fully tap into the Rinnegan's potential.."Likely because they're not his eyes." having his life force drained when executing certain techniques. Had his body emaciated and confined, after summoning the Gedo Mazo statue. (Continued.)
CitrusBlur 9 months ago
@untouch59
Finally, the lack of Madara's Eternal Mangekyo. It's painfully obvious he does not possess it, otherwise, he wouldn't have blatantly sacrificed the random left eye, in his fight with Konan. The final piece of evidence is the fact that Madara, in most recent chapters, is manipulating the Gedo Mazo like his own personal tool.
It's interesting to note that HE'S not being pierced by any sudden chakra rods, or emaciating defects. Likely because he's the RIGHTFUL wielder.
CitrusBlur 9 months ago
@untouch59
This comment's about 8 months old, but I don't see the harm in stating why I think Madara's stronger. I'll tell you why.
Because if Nagato were the superior shinobi, he would've been Kabuto's trump card summoning, and he's not. It's the REAL Uchiha Madara.
Manatsujeki 4 months ago
@Manatsujeki I now believe (real) Madara is stronger because he also has the Rinnegan.
untouch59 4 months ago
A song like this for Madara and Pain? No words...
Hozros 1 year ago
fail pain have 6 bodys haha
PhysPushscale 1 year ago
This is the last time I will repsond to you. I dont know why you are always checking the comments here , seems like you have no life. Lol , it seems like YOu are the one who does NOT read the manga. Nagato awakened the rinnegan when he was less than ten years old when his parents were killed by konoha ninjas. Since hes 10 years old hes able to use any ninjutsu. AND LOOOl , nagato wasnt 30 years old then , in fact , he was less than 20 years old when he fought against hanzou.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei And the only reason he was not able to control it was because he used it the first time , he didnt use it on purpose , he was young , he was in rage. When sasuke first time used amatersau he fucked himself up. To madara : unfair conditions? Sure , someone who possesses the eternal mangekyou sharingan and has the power over the kyyubi and fights someone with no doujutsu is in and infair condition. Yes you such a fanboy.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei He got fucked by hasirama although he was in the advantage and thats a fact. Dont deny it. And when he fought against yondaime he was still able to use that teleport jutsu and even then , he had 100 years more experience than minato and was still owned by him ( with the kyyubi on his side ; again).
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei learly indicating that you're a firm believer in Nagato's self-proclaimed god-like status.
CAn you please be even more gay? Dude , if u have seen my avatar you would know that im a fan of the rokidu sennin and not nagato. Youre such a stupid idiot.
Lol , I have absoloutely no idea why you stalk this video so much and wait for rreplys , you must have no life.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei Lol i cant believe you jsust said unfair conditions. Lol , he had everything on his side when he fought hashirama , eternal mangekyou sharingan amatersau, tsukoyomi the ultimate defence susano and KYUUBI and was still owned by a few mokuton jutsus. Plus he also had the power of his brother inside of him while hashirama had nothing on his side. Get your facts staright , read the manga , madara is overrated because he wasnt beaten yet. Sasuke will be narutos last opponent.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
It doesn't matter how you see it. Yes, Madara lost the battle, but Hashirama didn't finish the job, did he? No. He assumed that Madara was dead and now everyone else has to pay the price for it.
Fact remains that nobody's been able to kill the guy. Why? Because he's master tactician. I'm aware that Madara is going to eventually die. But don't expect that we won't see him in action when the war comes. He'll possess his true power.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@VisualBoyAdvanceVBA no madara would have died if he didnt use that eye jutsu that danzo used against sasuke no he wouldnt die and now cant use his full power and beside the fact that hes a desensent of the sage of six paths like naruto
fadarrius 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
Yes, unfair? Why do you only bring Madara's abilities and not Hashirama's? We don't even know what all Hashirama could do. He can control tailed beasts, LIKE Madara. He possesses an ability called Mokuton, LIKE MADARA HAVING SHARINGAN. The only difference is that he used the most powerful Bijuu to defeat Madara.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
The only person who we can say is more powerful than Madara, for absolute certainty, is the Sage Of Six Paths.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@VisualBoyAdvanceVBA and probably naruto at the end lol
ArchlordZer0 1 year ago
@VisualBoyAdvanceVBA and Minato... by far...
Epsilon17Syn 10 months ago
@1ShinraTensei
I don't think so. Know how many times people say it and don't stick to it? You'd be the first. You'll reply. I'm responding because you're agreeing with a false statement. That's what Youtube's for. That's why a reply function was given.
Nagato was near the 30 age range when he fought Hanzo. The age description given to Yahiko, when Pain infiltrated the village, was 25-30 years of age. And he died during the Hanzo quarrel. The 3 of Jiraiya's followers were all the same age.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
Stubborn uchiha fanboy. Yes , he gained control over kyuubi. Why would the user of the eternal mangekyou sharingan lose control over kyuubi to someone with no doujutsu? Shows how weak madara is. Yes he anticipated his betrayal , but still wouldnt be able to do something about it.
Yes he was given the rinnegan just like sasuke was given the sharingan? Lol , stupid? He got the rinnegan when he was a kid. Idiot , its a kekkdai genkai.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei Lol. Difficulties controlling its power? dude , nagato was still a kid back then who didnt know how to contrrl his powers just like naruto didnt know how to control kyuubi. Furthermore he was in rage and also not able to control his emotions. Jesus you are such a retard. Wow rikodu sennin and his first son possessed it fine because they had trained it over the years. I dohbt that they were able to control it perfectly since the very beginning.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
The only reason that Madara lost to Hashirama was because of his wife and the fox. o_o Several times? Both times that he's lost a fight, they were infair condition's.
A 3-on-1 fight, and then fighting the strongest Kage in his severely damaged state.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei Madara even himself stated that pein is unbeatable. Pein never lost a battle (except against naruto, but hes the protagonist so it was expectable) while madara got his ass kicked serveral times by people who had no doujutsu and no kekkai genkai ( yondaime ).
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
Who's really the fanboy? You're calling me childish names and spouting Nagato's power when Chapter 509 revealed that the Rinnegan wasn't even his.
Furthermore, you have.."Shinra Tensei" in your username. Clearly indicating that you're a firm believer in Nagato's self-proclaimed god-like status.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei The only reason why nagato followed his orders was because he needed him to get all bijuus. I mean , madara and nagot had diffrent intentions with the bijuus. Madara is not the only one who can make plans. I have no idea why people think that hes a genius. He lost kyuubi two times , a genius wouldnt make the same mistake a same times.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
..And you're still overlooking the fact that Nagato's Rinnegan was given to him. It was revealed in the latest chapter. Kishi emphasized on the page for a reason.
Nagato was 30 years of age by the time he combated Hanzo, and he still hadn't mastered the Rinnegan. Gedo Mazo is proof of this.
Why does this have to be a fanboy matter? It has nothing to do with favoritism. I'm stating the facts that were brought out in the manga. Nagato's Rinnegan does not belong to him.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
Now some will say , madara would simply teleport himself to nagato and finish him off there. Ehhm , noo ? Madara wont be able to find his hideout , he doesnt have the same ability like the fourth hokage to sense chakra (or like naruto in sage mode). Even then , madara always has to materlize himself when he teleports someone , in that moment pein could finish him off with his blades or with shinra tensei. he could also absorb him , cause that technique is a ninjutsu.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
Might wanna try reading the latest chapters. Kushina revealed that Hashirama gained control of the fox in his battle with Madara. That's why he even won.
Furthermore, Madara has already stated to Zetsu.."I anticipated Nagato's betrayal." which means he had a back up plan should he ever rebel against him.
And the latest chapter also proved that Nagato was GIVEN the Rinnegan. If not for Madara, he wouldn't even be as powerful as he was.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@1ShinraTensei
It all makes sense now as to why Nagato had difficulties controlling its power. Gedo Mazo is a pure example of this. The Sage Of Six Paths and his elder son possessed the Rinnegan just fine, yet Nagato's powers didn't compare.
The power was given to him. So, you can thank Madara for providing you with your.."Almighty Pain." He was all power and no brains.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
Evo is completely right. Dude , even at his pinnacle of his opower he still got his ass kicked WITH THE ETERNAL MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN AND KYUUBi , by shodai who had no doujutsu to help him. After that he got his ass kicked by the fourth hokage who was trained by jiraya and we all know that jiraya was no match for pein. Now some will say : omg but if he knew his secret .... bla bla bla ? Remember that pein used only a single jutsu to own him : summoning jutsu.
1ShinraTensei 1 year ago
He could also use shinra tensei to keep madara on distance. Btw , madara has to materilaze himself everytime he attacks someone , in that moment , nagato would just use shinra tensei and finish his sorry face off. Not even his eternal mangekyou sharingan would help him , madara himself stated that the rinnegan is by far superior. Now please go and read the manga and shut the fuck up , emo uchiha fanboy.
EvolutionDerLebwesen 1 year ago
@EvolutionDerLebwesen
Pain stated, after his fight with Jiraiya.."If not for our secret, we could not have won." Thus implying that he's defenseless. It's a bit hard to absorb Madara's body, when his own teleportation allows him to erase his body at will.
After Nagato sacrificed himself, Madara stated.."I anticipated Nagato's betrayal." Do you honestly think he would recruit Nagato, if he didn't have some means of putting him down? He's no idiot.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@EvolutionDerLebwesen
More importantly, Madara is "Severely damaged." He can't do anything, besides Space/Time Continuum. At the the pinnacle of his power, he would demolish Nagato. The Tsuchikage bluntly stated that.."A man of Madara's caliber could do whatever he wished without setbacks."
Stop with this.."Emo" nonsense. All you're doing is being stereotypical. Heck, Pain could be made fun of in countless ways.
Such as taking orders and being manipulated by a lower class Kekkei Genkai.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
Visualboy. Youre arugemts are stupid. Madara himself stated that he has no powers anymore because of the battle with shodai. He also stated that pain is unbeatable. Even then , do you think it would be so easy for someone just to go to nagatos hideout and kill him there? No , he would defend himself with his six bodies. And if madara tried to teleport hiim somewhere else , he would just absorb madaras body , after all the teleportation is a ninjutsu , and he can absorb any kind of ninjutsu.
EvolutionDerLebwesen 1 year ago
Lol Pain will rape and kill madara. Madara himself stated that pain was unstoppable and his rinnegan is way stronger than the mangekyou sharingan. ( according to jiraya AND MADARA). So stop fooling yourself idiots.
EvolutionDerLebwesen 1 year ago 5
@EvolutionDerLebwesen
Nagato himself is defenseless. It would be a simple matter of teleporting behind his real body, and sucking him up with Space-Time Continuum. Pain even implied in the past, during his fight with with Jiraiya, that his secret allowed him to win. Let's not forget that Madara stated he'd anticipated Nagato's betrayal. Do you honestly think he would recruit Nagato without a back up plan? Konan even stays by Nagato's side, further indicating that he's powerless.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@EvolutionDerLebwesen
PS: And I have to note that Madara's in a severely damaged state. Characters in the storyline have bluntly stated that, at the pinnacle of his power, Madara could execute any plan without a hitch. He's far more dangerous than Nagato.
VisualBoyAdvanceVBA 1 year ago
@VisualBoyAdvanceVBA Dude your arguments are pointless , Im going to answer to you later on , I just dont have the time now , bye.
EvolutionDerLebwesen 1 year ago
@EvolutionDerLebwesen nnooooo the entetnal mangekyo sharigan is better than the rinnegan madara wants the rinnegan and byaukuyugan so he can be unstoppble SPOILER ALERT-madara has the rinnegan already and now neeeds the byakyugan
mrhakstar 7 months ago
@EvolutionDerLebwesen madara is a pussy he was so much of a pussy he killed konan when nagato was dead and stole his rinnegan
TheShanedawsonfan55 5 months ago
here's how the strongest list go:
Madara>Sage Naruto>Pein>Sasuke
why:
First of all madara is just a strong ass mother F*$%er....second of all sage naruto beat pein, and im going to imply that he would've beaten pein a lot faster if his sage mode didn't keep wearing off. Pein is thrid on the list cause he was only so damn strong cause he was a corpse being controlled by nagato with peircings all over his damn body from a far away distance. Sasuke is just there cause he is an Uchiha
PainTheKid 1 year ago
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Madara has eternal mangekyo sharingan, which is at least as strong as rinnegan.
However, Pain is the 2nd strongest character in the show, after Madara. It would be a long and tough fight, but I think Madara would win in the end. However, I bet Madara would be extremely exausted by that time.
and Well, he gives orders to Pain and stuff,
Madara >pain> jariya > vs the rest
superman4ever101 1 year ago
pein
petaghgfhf 1 year ago
Madara is probably the only character on the show who could beat Pain. Pain would have won the fight against Naruto if Naruto hadn't transformed into his kyuubi form. Pain already had Naruto beaten before Naruto transformed. Also, Pain could have killed Naruto (he had quite a few opportunities) if he didn't need to take Naruto alive. For example, he could have stabbed Naruto in the heart when he had him pinned to the ground with his swords.
In my opinion Madara > Pain > the rest :).
darthvader7888 2 years ago
And I totally agree about his fight with Naruto. Pain DID have him beaten. Oh, by the way. Chapter 478 is released on mangastream, in case you didn't know. ;]
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
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darthvader7888 2 years ago
@ Manatsujeki Pein isn't invincible because he seperated his power between the other 6 bodies if he had never done that he would be near invincible. I mean having the abilities of all the other bodies plus being able to use all the elements.
dbz1283 2 years ago
Madara > Sasuke > Pain > The rest. :D
lobie12345 1 year ago
@lobie12345 i dont think so
goku540 1 year ago
@lobie12345
nagato> kabuto> nimato> 1 hokage>madara>naruto >The rest.
CDV2222 1 year ago
@lobie12345 no rikudo sage fuck all of them up with one hit>the 10 tails> the first hokage>eternal mangekyo sharingan Madara
tpatterson0 1 year ago
And Madara admitted in chapter 453 that Nagato's/Pain's defeat and betrayal dealt a significant blow to his plans.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Anyways, if Pain fought Madara, I think it would be a long and tough fight... but Madara would win in the end.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Well, her full statement was.."There's no point in describing the target with such scary language. Pain has never lost a fight." Madara's only response was a slight chuckle, and replied.."Well, that's true."
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Don't take my word for it, though. I have the video uploaded of the three of them, meeting. ;P
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Also, Pain is not weak, or a "mindless pawn," Madara himself stated Pain to be invincible, so Pain is probably ALMOST as powerful as Madara.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Technically, Madara wouldn't even have to contend with Pain. If it were his wish, he could simply warp to Nagato's actual body.."Which is severely emaciated." He probably wasn't a mindless pawn, you're right. He did have his morals. But, I hardly remember Madara ever labeling him to be.."Invincible." Madara began describing the extent of Naruto's growth, as if he were doubting Pain's ability to capture him. Konan's the only person who made a similar statement.
Konan- "Pain has never lost.."
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Madara has labelled Pain to be "Invincible", just look at chapter 407.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Madara- "No wonder Jiraiya was called one of the three legendary sennin, if even the -Invincible- Pain had trouble with him. Konoha will be looking out for you now that you killed Jiraiya. The more time passes, the more chance they have of coming up with something. Move now, before things get difficult." He wasn't acknowledging Pain to be Invincible, it was a statement of sarcasm. Madara has scolded his abilities quite a few times, Lol.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
He was just acknowledging Jiraiya's abilties as well, saying that Jiraiya must have been powerful if even Pain had trouble with him. I don't think he was being sarcastic, just saying Jiraiya must have been powerful if even the "invincible" Pain had trouble with him.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Well, If he truly believed that Pain was invincible, then he wouldn't have warned him about Naruto's apparent growth, Lol. We, the audience, know that he's far from being invincible. The only thing keeping him safe from harm, is his secret to manipulate deceased corpses into doing his bidding. His actual body's confined, and he's extremely emaciated.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
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darthvader7888 2 years ago
Whether Madara believed that Nagato was invincible, or not, doesn't change the fact that Nagato would stand no chance against him. It's a simple matter of teleporting to his actual body, then sucking him into the Space/Time Dimension, leaving him there for all of eternity. ;P
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
I'm not saying Pain would beat Madara, its the opposite, but Madara wouldn't OWN Pain either. Also, since Madara can teleport to his actual body, Nagato would probably have the sense to keep a few of his bodies (or perhaps all of them) near him, so that they could protect him.
Anyways, Madara would win in the end, but he wouldn't pwn Pain.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
I'm well aware that Pain could defeat practically anyone else, just not Madara. I'm comparing Pain to other people, I'm comparing him to Madara alone. Naruto would've lost the fight against him, had Minato not intervened in the fight.
Pain would also not be able to use the catastrophic power of the other corpses, near his actual body. The force would demolish the very place he's being contained in, and ultimately destroy himself. He'd not be able to pull a .."Shinra Tensei" close by.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
*Not comparing. Anyways, the only significant blow to his plans was that he had intended on Nagato using Rinne Tensei to bring him back to life, on the off chance that Madara's killed. Madara also admitted that he anticipated Nagato's betrayal, so he obviously planned ahead.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
ah kk. Sorry, you were just making it sound like Pain is weak.
Anyways, I say we should end our little discussion.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
No need to apologize, I got a bit out of hand..Lol.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
where do u learn this all at is there a website...if so plz tell m it ty
tibb1man2 1 year ago
@tibb1man2 Try Naruto Wiki.
dracoblue23x 1 year ago
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darthvader7888 2 years ago
Madara and Pain are my 2 favorite characters in Naruto :).
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Pain vs Madara would be a pretty close fight though... however, I think Madara would win in the end.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
madara le rompe el culo a ese idiota
uchiharaian 2 years ago
Why does everyone talk in present? Pain is dead.
VISAA2 2 years ago
why does everyone say Madara is stronger than Pein? We haven't even seen Madara fight! lol.
DrlchknJr 2 years ago
Well, he gives orders to Pain and stuff, so yeah.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
no lol, they're partners
DrlchknJr 2 years ago
Konan is actually Pain's partner, but it would be awesome if they were partners :). Especially if they were partners and took on the 5-village alliance together :).
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Madara and Pain should be Akatsuki partners. They'd be unstoppable.
darthvader7888 2 years ago 3
they were lol
DrlchknJr 2 years ago
Madara's stronger than Pain, but not by that much.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
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pain is much stronger than madara very much stronger. madara only has sharingan but pain has the rinnegan and seven bodies!
avdgffdg 2 years ago
Madara has eternal mangekyo sharingan, which is at least as strong as rinnegan.
However, Pain is the 2nd strongest character in the show, after Madara.
darthvader7888 2 years ago 2
no the manga say the rinnegan is the strongest eye but madara is bless with the rikudo sage spirit power or something like that so madara might win plus with out the rinnegan the sharingan would not be born
tpatterson0 2 years ago
and naruto who beats pain
gevsan 2 years ago
don't forget, Naruto had to use the Kyuubi to beat Pain, before Naruto transformed, Pain had Naruto beaten.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
yea but naruto did go back to hes normal body and beated pein he just transformed to 8 tail and then hes father stopped him
gevsan 2 years ago
Naruto beat Pain after going back to his normal body because a) Pain had exhausted a lot of chakra on the kyuubi and b) Pain had to capture him alive. He had quite a few opportunities to kill Naruto, like when Naruto was pinned down to the ground by his swords.
If Naruto hadn't transformed, he wouldn't have beaten Pain.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Madara's eternal mangekyo sharingan is damaged because of his fight with the 1st hokage. Rinnengan is stronger because Madara himself said that the sharingan came from the rinnengan.
dbz1283 2 years ago
Well, that's only true to an extent. Rinnegan is the most revered of the Doujutsu, but Madara has complete mastery over the Sharingan. Nagato still hasn't tapped into the Rinnegan's full potential. If he himself were more powerful than Madara, then he would've been the one calling the shots. There's also no evidence to support that Madara's Eternal Mangekyou is damaged. Remember, he tamed the Kyubi 16 years ago, and it's been stated that the Mangekyou Sharingan is required to manipulate it.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Pein was only taking orders from Madara because it was in his best interest also Nagato is not really the leader type considering eventhough he was more powerful than Yahiko, Yahiko was the leader of the group. Nagato also killed the former rain village leader out of pure revenge not because he wanted to take control of the village.
dbz1283 2 years ago
Highly unlikely that Nagato was following Madara's orders, out of his own self interest. Madara admitted that Nagato was an easily influenced Individual, and even Minato agreed to this. It's only logical that Madara had methods to keep him under control, on the off chance that Nagato decided to rebel against him. His Space/Time Continuum is something Nagato would not be able to overcome. If it were Madara's wish, he could simply warp to Nagato's actual body, and execute his demise.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
You are correct Pein was influenced by Madara but that does not mean he is stronger than him. Madara most likely got Pein to join the Akatsuki the same way he got Sasuke to join the Akatsuki by mentally manipulating him. Madara is not really an autocratic leader who would go so far as controlling his akatsuki members or forcing them to join Akatsuki most of the members joined of their own free will.
dbz1283 2 years ago
By you saying that Madara had methods of keeping Pein under control implies that Pein followed Madara's orders because he is somewhat afraid of him. This is not so Pein followed Madara''s orders because he thought both of them had the same goal that's why both of them never fought . Pein was under the impression that by collecting the tailed beasts he could cause a next ninja war and show people what true pain is but Madara's moon eye plan was completely different.
dbz1283 2 years ago
If Pein knew about the Moon's eye plan he would of definately revolted against Madara. The statue that is used for sealing the tailed beasts is Nagato's summoning considering he summoned it to defeat Hanzo's ninjas because of the death of Yahiko. If Madara was to attack Nagato himself he could summon the statue to rip out Madara's soul. Although I think that if Madara did attack Nagato himself he would have a good chance of winning but if both of them were at full strenght pein would win.
dbz1283 2 years ago
Well, if that's what you believe. To even lay a hand on Madara, Nagato would have to find a way around his Space/Time Continuum. Which is something nobody's been able to do."Including Minato and Itachi." Onoki has openly stated to the other kage's, that if Madara were in his prime, he'd be able to execute any plan without setbacks. Just because Nagato possesses the Rinnegan, doesn't make him the most powerful character. Madara's the main antagonist, which makes him the supreme being.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Furthermore, when did Nagato ever state that he's following orders for his own ideals? This is something people are making up, because they can't accept the fact that he was manipulated and brainwashed like a mindless pawn. On top of that, Nagato was well aware of Madara's goal to return his Sharingan to its former glory. What else would you suspect he'd do with that power once he obtained it? Obviously, Nagato knew he wanted world domination.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
You also have no proof that Pein was aware of Madara's moon eye plan. It makes absolutely no sense that Pein would know of the moon's eye plan and still continue to follow Madara considering the moon's eye plan completely goes against Pein's plan. Nagato's plan was to use the tailed beasts to create an ultimate forbidden jutsu capable of destroying an entire nation and then for the different nations to use it against each other and realise the horror of war itself and experience true pain.
dbz1283 2 years ago
Apparently, you don't remember the meeting between Pain, Konan, and Madara.
Madara- "Soon, everything will be as it should. The Sharingan's true power. My power, Uchiha Madara's power."
What, you think Nagato sat there and was like.."Yep, he just wants his Sharingan's true power for no apparent reason."
Pain's idea of using the weapon to strike fear into the surrounding nations, is no different than Madara's plan to unite a world where there's no conflict, my friend.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Yes it is completely different Madara just wants to control everyone with the mugen tskuyomi. Pein wants to show people the horror of war. Nagato was not a weak mindless lackey as you think . Weak lackeys worship their leaders and see them as God. For example in Bleach Barragan's fraccion see him as a god and call him lord Barragan and Frieza's men call him lord Frieza. Pein on the other hand sees only himself as a god who has the power to change the world.
dbz1283 2 years ago
-Sigh- In the end, they are both trying to control people through fear and confusion. Just because Pain doesn't call him.."Lord" doesn't signify anything. He's made these various statements, along with Madara.
Pain- "What about the Kyubi?"
Madara- "You capture it. As leader, failure will not be tolerated." Madara would not bluntly threaten Nagato, if he couldn't defeat him.
Pain has also been seen, stating.."I'm under ORDERS from Madara to capture the Kyubi." It's no different.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Under Pein's plan there would be no more war in the ninja world and it's inhabitants would worship Pein as a god of peace. Under Madara's plan Madara is all powerful like a god able to control everyone including Pein. Why would Pein want Madara to become the god of the world if he [Pein] also wants to become the god of the world?
dbz1283 2 years ago
Madara and Pain probably made some sort of deal or something. Anyways, I seriously doubt that Pain was planning on betraying Madara.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Anyways, Pain was probably going along with Madara's plan, coz their plans aren't a lot different from each other...
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Both of them were/are playing god with the lives of others. Nagato would have no right to condemn Madara's ideology, to begin with.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
The major difference between Pein's plan and Madara's plan is that under Pein's plan he would become a god but under Madara's plan Madara would technically become a god.Pein's plan is similar to what happened in the rain village through war complete peace was brought to the rain village and the villagers worship Pein as a result of that and the villagers and Pein himself sees himself as a god of peace.
dbz1283 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure Pain did know of Madara's moon's eye plan, or part of it at the very least, I'm 95% certain Pain knew about the 10-tailed beast.
Pain's and Madara's plans weren't that much different. And Pain probably did know of Madara's plan, or part of it at least.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
I'd also like to point out that summoning Gedo Mazo, would require a substantial amount of time. More Importantly, the statue can no longer be used as an offensive weapon, after Nagato became emaciated. The Shackles clearly exploit it's imprisonment. Madara has complete control over the statue, he doesn't need Nagato to do its bidding. The fact that he still intends to seal up the two remaining Bijuu, is proof of that.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
If you still beg to differ about Nagato's Ideology, then provide a link with him stating he followed Madara orders for his own benefit. Otherwise, what you're saying is completely made up.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
@ Manatsujeki I do not have a link with him stating he followed Madara orders for his own benefit but you do not have a link stating that he was a mindless pawn and had to follow Madara's orders. Sasuke is only following Madara's orders for his own benefit so why not the same with Pein.
dbz1283 2 years ago
Uh, Madara made this exact statement. "You won't convert Sasuke as you did Nagato. He was just too easily influenced." So yes, I do have proof.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
I'd suggest you don't underestimate Madara's power, just because he's in a weakened state. Remember, he made the 8-man squad look like nothing.
Sai, Sakura, Naruto, Shino, Yamato, Kakashi, Hinata, and Kiba. He made each one of them look pathetic.
Madara's Space/Time Continuum is also far more advanced than the 4th Hokage's, and it's been verified. So we know he possesses abilities even greater than Minato himself. I don't know what other proof you need. `-`
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Nagato wanted to create this monstrosity of a weapon to be used by other nations,so that everyone would realize true Pain. And Madara wants to cast an infinite Tsukuyomi, to establish a world where there's no quarreling. You tell me how either one of those goals is justified.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
Pain wasn't a "mindless pawn," but he was following Madara's orders, and I doubt he was planning on betraying Madara. Pain wasn't really a "mindless pawn" though, I think he was more valuable than that. However, Pain wasn't planning on betraying Madara or anything like that.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
lol if both were at full strength Madara would definitely win. Though Madara claims to be weak after his fight with the first, if that's true, then Pain might win. If its not, then Madara would still win. For some reason, I'm still doubting that Madara really is weakened, so yeah, I'd say Madara would win.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Not really Pein at full strength has the same abilities as his six other bodies plus according to Jiraiya Pein demonstrated the ability to achieve all six changes in chakra nature. Pein is also so strong that god realm Pein destroyed the leaf village. Can Madara destroy an entire village so easily?
dbz1283 2 years ago
Well, at least Madara in his prime could destroy an entire village... not so sure about what he could do now though.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
In the manga when Madara talks about the moon's eye plan he told the kages he was a mere shell of himself because of the fight with the 1st hokage plus Itachi mentioned it also. I don't really think you need the mangekyo sharingan to control the fox you can do it with the normal sharingan considering Sasuke was able to control Orochimaru's giant purple snake with the normal sharingan .
dbz1283 2 years ago
"Thinking" isn't really necessary. The manga clearly stated that you must possess the Mangekyou to tame Kyubi, and you can't argue with that. Manda/Orochimaru's snake is also a mere summoning, you can't compare it to a Bijuu. I'm well aware that his body is severely damaged, but it's never been stated that Madara lost his Eternal Mangekyou. Itachi also stated that.."Madara remains alive and well, as do his -eyes- and their power." Itachi must've seen his face, to state this with such conviction.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
@darthvader7888 Madara actually Stated the Nagato( aka Pain) was unstoppable, Madara also found the rinnegan was powerful and wanted to use it for himself.
dracoblue23x 1 year ago
Madara's the only one in the show (except for the kyuubi) who is stronger than Pain.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
It would be a long and tough fight, but I think Madara would win in the end. However, I bet Madara would be extremely exausted by that time.
darthvader7888 2 years ago 3
I think madara is better, however, Pain is the only one in the show (or at least in Akatsuki) who's power even comes close to Madara's.
darthvader7888 2 years ago 2
Madara would kill pain because jariya killed three pains using genjutsu and the uchihas are masters of genjutsu because of their sharingan and madara has mangekyou sharingan so he could kill pain.
CENTEY45 2 years ago 2
dudes...it doesnt matter if naruto has surrpassed kage level or if hes the strongest konoha ninja...right now the five nations prepare for a great ninja war combined they have pretty much unbeatable power...akatsuki is almost destroyed left akatsuki members are Kisame,Madara,Konan and zetsu or whatever his name is...cummon...they're just four ppl and have the power of 7 bijuus...but vs 5 nations...thats stupid...
dekomondo 2 years ago 4
Konan has left Akatsuki.
And don't forget, Sasuke's team have teamed up with Akatsuki, practically giving Akatsuki a total of 7 members.
darthvader7888 2 years ago 4
Kisame dies.....lol
Coolpanic45 2 years ago
@dekomondo you forget that just 1 bijuu rocked a entire village of ninja
I3lueGhost 1 year ago
pain es mucho mas fuerte que madara porque pain tiene el rinnegan
balmond20 2 years ago
Pein is the best
jiraiya said it , only that worked with madara , but pein is the best, he was the 6 chackras
CDV2222 2 years ago
pain is stonger because the true power of the rinnegan is to control life and death. madara said that he didnt control the kyuubi but a natural disaster. and pain said how can naruto withstand his chakra face to face. pain did not lose pain used all his remaining chakra to control life and death, just as he did to konoha villagers
vattereyha 2 years ago
Madara Is Stronger Than Pain For Some Reasons:
Rinnegan Is stronger than sharingan thats true (but not stronger than an ETERNAL Mangekyou)
Madara can Control Tailed Beasts too
And Madara is stronger than naruto sage mode so hes stronger than PAIN too =)
oerdi123 2 years ago 3
dudue, ug uys r stupid for thinking pein is stronger then madara...... frist of all madara was a match against the 1st hokage, and naruto sage mode owned pein.... you think at this very moment naruto has supassed one of the hokages your surly mistaken..... he hasn;t supassed his farther yet, but one day he will.
antthub 2 years ago
lol, Madara IS stronger than Pain, but you're seriously underestimating Pain.
First of all, Pain beat Hanzo, who was able to beat all 3 Sannin (who are all Kage-level ninjas). Meaning that Pain could probably hold his own against about 3 Kage-level ninja. Also, he OWNED Jiraiya, who is also Kage level. As for Naruto, Naruto didn't beat Pain because of sage mode, he won the fight because of the kyuubi. Remember Pain had Naruto beaten until Naruto transfromed.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
Pain is more powerful than any of the hokage... except perhaps the first. Madara IS more powerful than Pain, but you're wrong when you say that Pain would be no match for one of the hokage, coz he beat Hanzo, who was able to beat THREE Kage-level ninja no problem. Madara IS stronger than Pain, but you're seriously underestimating Pain's powers.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
His fight against the 1st Hokage is something I'd like to discuss with you, since you seem to be a fan who relies on logic, rather than his own biased opinion. Do you think that Madara possessed his Space/Time Continuum ability, during his fight with Hashirama? I have this feeling that it's something he acquired during his 80 year absence, which is what makes him extremely versatile now. It just seems a bit far-fetched that The 1st could take on Madara+Kyubi+Space/Time Continuum.
Manatsujeki 2 years ago
I agree that the 1st Hokage couldn't take on Madara+Kyuubi+his space/time technique. I was also thinking that Madara's space/time technique was something he obtained in his 80 year "absence."
And btw, I'm not a Pain fanboy, I like Pain, he's cool and badass and all that, but I like Madara even more :). They're my 2 favorite characters in the show.
darthvader7888 2 years ago
They are 2 great shinobi, but I think Madara is better than Pein, because he's the controller of Kyuubi, the first Uchiha using Mangekyou Sharingan, etc...
KonceptMetin2 2 years ago
fuck pain go madara
shadowyoyodragon 2 years ago
what is the music name
323naruto 2 years ago
Take Me Away by the Plain White T's
randomdudejosh 2 years ago
the only reason pain did what madara said was because he needed madara to control the beasts and madara could probably kill pains real body. NOT because sharingan beats rinigan but because nagato was redicusly weak from overuse of rinigan. sorry sharingan fans, sharingan doesnt make anyone gods, normal ninjas could still beat them.
ThePidgeottosNest 2 years ago 2
not true unlike real sharingan users pain could only use 60% of his power though his eyes sharingan is better because the small fact you can get unlimited life by taking someone other ms eys& not only that madara cant did& hes thetrue master of the sharingan & sasuke will be next
000guns 2 years ago 3
madara isnt in his real body he is in the 4th mizukages body, so hes like orochimaru but he doesn't do that three year shit he can just take the body with his sharingan, pein or rikuduo what ever his name is is reborn
deathicken2 2 years ago 3
no the true master is itachi he learned all of madara moves but 1 if itachi would have took sasuke eyes he would beat madara
iletusuckmeup 2 years ago 3
actully the justus nagato uses against the former leader of the rain village and the justu takes life force from the user thats what i think
deathicken2 2 years ago
I think Madara doesnt have a chance but if the finds Nagato that would be a Problem for Pain
Sicion06 2 years ago
madara is da uchiha clan leader and the founder of akatsuki.,
tRiFlOoD 2 years ago 2
yup
randomdudejosh 2 years ago
wait so is madara like sasukes brother? or jst one of the clans?
DeaNLandon06 2 years ago
That's pretty good
ufoflyer07 2 years ago 2