Bach - Harpsichord Concerto No.1 in D Minor BWV 1052 - 3/3

[overlord620]

I love this saturation of my ears while listening Bach. It's surronding me, again and again

[twooffour]

@overlord620

It's the stereo sound.

[ErroSilvae]

All those silly discussions on Bach videos... nobody saying anything on youtube is ever right

[Erethras]

@ErroSilvae except you hahaha =) ;-) u're right though!

we are experts all here, except that the real experts barely appear arround youtube as they are really busy practicing!

[ErroSilvae]

@Erethras You are so right about the real experts.

[autocrat111]

@ErroSilvae isnt that a self-defeating statement?

[understyder]

Master Trevor -with my respects- is a hurricane ;)

[bruno280678]

better than sex

[dmitrid1]

The tempo is a little fast for my taste. I prefer to savor the music a bit more, like Apollo's Fire rendition of it.

[littlegiant1972]

chocolate for ears...

[Smileplease456]

thanks 4 posting the vids!

[SidewalkRomance]

Bach's music is truely enchanting. So hauntingly romantic.

[RobertJFreemantle]

It makes you feel smarter just by listening to it. It opens the right doors in the mind and helps promote a sense of peace in you. If we all listened to this together I am sure we could improve the world.

[mehp1244]

@RobertJFreemantle Now that's a great thought! I never tire of listening to Bach. Of all the composers of the world, he is the best for me. Inspires one into higher conscious states which is what he intended.

[777wallaby777]

Bach genius!, 

[ronaldmcdonald333]

i want a harpsichord so bad

[bman462]

@ronaldmcdonald333 me2

[Taud]

@ronaldmcdonald333 yeah me too but it doesnt fit into budget man, settle for a keyboard with a harpsichord setting, its what i did

[Taud]

@ronaldmcdonald333 i settled for my harpsichord setting on my korg keyboard man, its not too bad, check out the programs n patches on different keyboards, some have it built in, some accept it as a patch

[dante76656]

bach your socks off!!!!

[engelspiel]

I still insist that Bach was way ahead of his time. He never dies and never will through such amazing music

[hatstalker]

@colourfulwithaU Aside from completely advance and break ALL the rules with contrapuntal fugue writing taking the art form to new heights. He was not ahead of his time, but his music is timeless and was not appreciated till after his death. However He did something revolutionary. Because and many experts agree with me here, without him the entire THE ENTIRE course of musical development would not be the same, he is the linchpin of the development of baroque music to it's height and thereafter.

[wcbroccoli]

@bersa888 The rules of harmony and counterpoint are formulated by theorists based on what composers have done in the so-called common practice period. Bach chorale harmonizations and fugues are often cited in textbooks on common practice period harmony and counterpoint as examples of how to "do it," or at least, how it was done. Bach's music library was extensive, including works by contemporaries, as well as 16th and 17th c. composers.

[wcbroccoli]

@bersa888 Although Bach never wrote any music theory books, he had over 70 students in his career, many of whom became prominent composers, music critics, music teachers and music theorists who profoundly influenced German musical thought in the latter half of the 18th c. and European musical thought in the 19th c and beyond. It was the Bach circle that perpertuated his legacy.

[bersa888]

@wcbroccoli : Yes... who said Bach wrote any textbook (he left some examples etc. on figured bass though)? I was talking about modern textbooks ;-) It's that "hatstalker" and his "breaking of the rules"  I was addressing. And, as you know, my expert friend, - not being ironic here - if anything he was considered antiquated by some. Ciao.

[wcbroccoli]

@bersa888 I never said you said anything. But the notion that Bach was "antiquated" is misleading because it naively assumes his style was always considered old-fashioned. It that were true (it's not), then why did Bach have the noble patronage of the Dukes of Weimar and Weissenfels and the Prince of Anhalt-Coethen, and why did they pay him more than his predecessors, when they could have hired someone else for less? All composers become old-fashioned if they live long enough.

[ceadachrua]

@bersa888 YES! I keep telling my students these same things and when they scoff in disbelief, I direct them to look through the likes of Bach's WTC or Scarlatti or anything else handy on the shelves. My favorite reaction..."Bach made chords with...tritones...on purpose?" Everything Herr Bach did was on purpose. (At least musically) The "rules" of tonal harmony came about for good reasons...but by no means are they sacred then or now.

[colourfulwithaU]

@bersa888

Is it okay to move an augmented 2nd? Because Bach does so in the cadenza of the first movement in this concerto.

[colourfulwithaU]

@bersa888

I'm not sure of the measure #. It's in the cadenza, it's a very short cadenza. Go listen to the first movement - he jumps from Bb to A#. That is an augmented 2nd.

My composition teacher told me that it's generally forbidden to jump any augmented or diminished intervals, which is the purpose for the melodic minor scale (raise the leading note, then raising the 6th degree to bridge the augmented second between the sixth and seventh degrees).

[bersa888]

@colourfulwithaU :...or you do you mean Bb to C# (THAT is an augmented 2nd). If this is the case you are worried about, there are thousands of places where you can find it (it is the melodic interval that belongs to the harmonic-minor scale, after all). Although A# and Bb are in theory two different tone (A# is slightly higher that Bb), in the tempered system they are the same note.

[colourfulwithaU]

@bersa888

Yes, Bb to C#, my mistake. :$

[excalibutterycake]

@colourfulwithaU Bach did many things that are considered forbidden in counterpoint nowadays. We can find parallel fifths occasionally in his music but it is very well hidden, the work of a genius. The same with an augmented interval. It is forbidden in what we write, but when bach writes it, he can use it to his advantage, giving an angular sound to a melody, or providing a dissonance that beautifully resolves (like Iaug - IV progression)

[Stymfalide]

@excalibutterycake, there are so so many people who should shut it, whereas people like yourself should talk so much more. Down with the Culture Industry!

[twooffour]

@excalibutterycake

To call those devices "forbidden" is the wrong approach.

They're "forbidden" in specific composition (or voicing / arrangement) exercises, for the purpose of, well, exercise, or imitating the style (or main characteristics) of a certain period, or composer.

You don't need to be a "genius" in order to "get permission" - you can start subverting the rules as soon as you start the composition course, it's just you're a better craftsman if you do it because you want, not...

[twooffour]

@excalibutterycake

... you have to.

And stuff like that by beginners can easily come off as cheesy, but that's a taste question.

It's also needed to pass the exams ;)

[bersa888]

@hatstalker : (cont.) especially as far part writing, parallelisms, etc...

[wcbroccoli]

@hatstalker Unless you composed for the stage and "roamed the world", which few composers of the early 18th c. did, you were not likely to become famous in your time. Most musicians of Bach's day found employment as town or court musicians, not on the stage. It wasn't until the late 18th c, with the growth of public concerts, that there was an interest in hearing music of dead composers.

[wcbroccoli]

@hatstalker Bach did not work for the stage or "roam the world" giving public concerts. He didn't even publish much. However, even before his death, many of his keyboard works had already circulated via hand copies (the most common method of music publication in Bach's Germany) in Germany, Austria, France, England and Italy, decades before those works were ever printed by a publishing house.

[wcbroccoli]

@hatstalker Before Bach's death, the famous Padre Martini, whose students included Mozart and J.C. Bach, wrote: "I consider it to be superfluous to describe the singular merit of [J. S. Bach], for he is thoroughly known and admired not only in Germany but throughout our Italy. I will say only that I think it would be difficult to find someone in the profession who could surpass him, since these days he could rightfully claim to be among the first in Europe"

[wcbroccoli]

@colourfulwithaU Actually, he was ahead his time. Our ears are accustomed to the sound of19th c. harmonies so, we don't find Bach harmonies so strange, but compared to his contempoeraries, his expressive harmonies, esp. in his church music, must have been quite startling to his listeners. He knew all the styles of his time and could integrate any form of his day into his contrapuntral style. He could even imitate the style of the younger generation, as he did at the Prussian court in 1747.

[GWiifanboy]

Bach is so amazing!

[wolvie14]

i will call him a genius. When i listen to Bach, i hear modern music. When i listen to any other Baroque musician, i find nothing modern in their writing. There are jazzistic accents in Bach. Not on the other Baroque composers. Not that i don't like the Baroque composers. It is still my favorite period as far as music goes.

[jmhclassicalcomposer]

Einstein once said that if we were to fill a box with ten things that represent the achievments of mankind for future life forms to find once we are gone one of thoes things should be the intire works of Bach. 

[Meltorizor]

for real, how awesome is this? i might be a little bit stoned .. haha :D but honestly. it's eargasm time

[vyolynoalex93]

the trill at 0:44 is the bomb

- imagine performing that during a concerto on piano

[martenkrijgsman]

@vyolynoalex93

It sounds so much better on a harpsichord, though.

[NotoriousDudeable]

life would be so un-cool without the classical music.

[Bachwerkeverzeich548]

5:19 - 5:33

What's more beautiful in the world than the music by Bach?

[llllloooooo]

@Bachwerkeverzeich548 That's easy. MORE music by Bach!!!!

[Bachwerkeverzeich548]

@llllloooooo Oooh yeah!

[Bachwerkeverzeich548]

@llllloooooo Oh yeah! 

[Bachwerkeverzeich548]

Il concerto che amo di più.

[reant79]

no puedo dejar de escucharla !!!! Este concierto hace bajar los angeles del cielo!!!

[gabsart]

Oh god I love BACH!!!!!

[mdeonx16]

God gave his children Bach to please them.

[Elhombresombra]

Credo in unum Bach, musicus omnipotentem...

[Godsviolinist]

OMG this an outstanding performance. I lov the harpsichordists interpretation. HE BETTER PLAY!!

[mmcau]

One of the best intepretation of the piece I've ever heard!

[mmcau]

Bold statements.

However, one should remember this is BACH. Every note and detail has its reason of being.

[QueenAnnesFury]

I thank God for Bach! Without God, Bach would have had no inspiration or gift!

[mmcau]

I thank Bach for music. Without Bach, music would have had no inpiration or gift

[violatione]

@mmcau Handel, Telemann, Scaratti and Corelli were just as inspired as Bach.

[dragmio]

@violatione Probably, but they weren't as accomplished. Not even by far.

[violatione]

@dragmio Not true, you just need to listen to more baroque music.

[IAmANub]

burn in hell

[colourfulwithaU]

@QueenAnnesFury

It may be true that Bach was inspired by his religion to write much of his music, but that doesn't mean his talent was a divine gift. Bach was good at music because he studied it hard and worked at it. If we accept for a moment that God is imaginary, we can still see how Bach would find his inspiration in believing in God anyways.

[Terrdemarzielle]

@colourfulwithaU He worked extremely hard, but he was also bloody talented. To the extent that he may be called 'genius.'

[colourfulwithaU]

@Terrdemarzielle

I never said Bach wasn't a genius...what are you responding to?

[Terrdemarzielle]

@colourfulwithaU I never said you said Bach wasn't a genius? Just randomly commenting, apologies

[reant79]

el tercer movimiento es impresionante

[Elhombresombra]

...¿y el primer no?... ;-)

[reant79]

desde luego, tambien.... :)

[LtTemeraire]

Definitely, Bach is pure rock Oo

[DeadOriginal]

The whole thing just kicks my brains out, but from @ 6:28 where the Harpsichord starts to break away is an indescribable audible orgasm.

"Thank God for J S Bach".

[mmcau]

Thank Bach for music

[DeadOriginal]

@cgordon6969 Hmmm, it's a matter of I suppose?

Though I'm pretty sure Bach knew exactly why he was doing, who are we to criticize the "Immortal God of Musical Perfection",

[hosposits]

No one can rock harder than Bach. Life would be so much duller without Bach's music.

[argumenteren]

@hosposits

Imagine, once there was a time before Bach.

[kaloleon]

@argumenteren Wha?? No way... Life started when Bach was born!

[injektileur]

@argumenteren

sorry man, my very own Bible doesn't mention such a sad time (^^)

[Lukecash12]

@hosposits Rock? Bach wrote sacred music in the 1700's, so I would doubt that he wrote music for metalheads.

[Raveshaw2002]

@Lukecash12 Wait a minute, I am a metalhead, I love sacred music and I am totally crazy for Bach. Why people that hear classical music usually critize rock in comparison to it? Rock is the most decent genre of popular music, and why dont critize RAP, brazilian funk, eletronic music etc (which are all unisonus "music") instead of it? And besides, metalheads are not atheists... don't confuse retarded anarchical punks and anti-melody people who dont understand about rock with it...

[Lukecash12]

@Raveshaw2002 I am merely telling you that it would be heavily anachronistic to think of Bach as a rocker. Bach didn't write music to "rock", whatever that means. Bach was a kapellmeister for several different churches.

[Raveshaw2002]

@Lukecash12 But he rocks, xD he shakes my soul ;)

[lamalas60]

@Lukecash12 You say Bach didn't want to write music to "rock", then you say you don't even know what it means so how on earth can you know what your saying?

[Lukecash12]

@lamalas60 Actually, I said: "Whatever that means." "Rock" is not at all an appropriate term for Enlightenment period music. It's like comparing Isaac Newton to LSD experimenters in the 1960's.

Of course, I wasn't offended all that much at the allusion that Bach wrote rockin' music. Bach was not at all a rocker, though. He wrote music for the Church, lived a restrictive life, and wrote music in a restricted manner. There's a reason he didn't write opera.

[autocrat111]

@Lukecash12 i think the issue is that the term rock has too many connotations to the hippie drug culture that surrounded and produced it which makes it hard to listen to objectively. being a past metelhead, i definitely feel the same emotions being conjured in me by this and most metal/rock ive heard. i think the main attributes that creates this brand of music is the combination of a fast tempo and minor key.

[Lukecash12]

@autocrat111 Right, right... Because everything in a minor key is angst, or dark, aggressive or depressing, right? This simplistic view of major and minor keys is a recent phenomenon. Bach didn't write this way in the key of D because he was "awesome". He wrote this way because in well temperament the key of D is exciting and dramatic.

[autocrat111]

@Lukecash12 well i dont think your doing any favors by beating people down with your snooty cloud-snorting musical snobbery. the music produces an emotion in us that we enjoy, whether it "rocks" or "infuses great jolly in my soul", whether one bangs their head or adjusts their monocle, theyre just different expressions describing the same feeling. i would think youd be happy to see a youth in this age being cajoled by bach

[slushemaster]

@autocrat111 Yeah you tell that fucker, that Bachs got some hardcore dudes blastin his funkified shit all over they house! Except MORE than Bach, them cats be blastin Scarlatti, homies be bumpin that tchaikovsky. You can't fux wid it man. BE mad yo, you just jealous of my fly as ass shit. Go home jive ass mo'fucka

[Lukecash12]

@autocrat111 ??? Right, because that was exactly what I was doing, with such a tame original comment.

[HConstantine]

@autocrat111 No they aren't just different expressions for the same thing. the etymological origin of 'rock and roll" is as a description of the motion involved in intercourse. Bach is considerably more beautiful than that. You argument from false equivalence that tries to elevate your pathetic lack of taste is not successful.

[autocrat111]

@HConstantine you are not looking at this issue from the point of view of a person who has rarely been exposed to this type of music and has been saturated with popular music since birth. on the rare occasion they stumble on a gem such as this and might say wow this rocks, just like i did. it simply means i like it. youre battle seems to be over which music is better, and i personally like baroque more than metal, but thats completely subjective and a matter of opinion.

[twooffour]

@Lukecash12

"Because everything in a minor key is angst, or dark, aggressive or depressing, right?"

No one said that, in fact most metal that is distinctively in "minor" key doesn't sound depressing or dark ;)

Metal sounds dark when using diminished harmonies, for example, or simply when shredding low-pitched riffs.

When it comes to fast-paced solos in minor, they can be anything from melancholic to humorous, and lots of other things.

[Lukecash12]

@twooffour Actually, the person who I quoted in that comment that you took mind of, gave me that impression. Given your shared interest in actually discussing music, I think you can empathize that tame statements made by experts can be spun into "the egotism of the intelligentsia".

As for your definition of when metal sounds dark, I think you're educated enough to agree that diminished harmonies are minor intervals, and low pitched riffs basically have obfuscated harmonic values.

[twooffour]

@Lukecash12

Um, I thought we were talking about "minor key", not "minor intervals"? Like, small 3rds and diminished 5ths (tritones) are minor intervals.

Yes, low pitch, especially with distortion, obfuscates harmony / makes even consonance sound much more dissonant.

A good example would be the breakdown from Iniquity's "Bullet's Breath" - sounds dark and gloomy, but once you listen close enough, it's actually Bb major chords.

[Lukecash12]

@twooffour Mainly, I considered it a fair point to distinguish between the drama of the harmonic orientation of metal, and the different tuning temperaments used by Bach.

[HConstantine]

@autocrat111 If this affects you in the same way as any kind of 'popular' music produced purely to function as a commercial commodity, then you must be dead inside.

[twooffour]

@HConstantine

"as any kind of 'popular' music produced purely to function as a commercial commodity"

Not all popular music, least of all metal, is "commercial" in the sense of pandering to the tastes of the paying masses - but the intention behind the music is ultimately irrelevant, what counts is the product.

A lot of 15-18th century music was written to worship God (with sometimes awfully pious texts), or provide entertainment for the non-democratic monarchs and rulers, but we don't..

[twooffour]

@HConstantine

... have to keep all this in mind when listening to something really good that came out of those periods.



[twooffour]

@Lukecash12

His music doesn't sound very "restricted", though, when played right ;)

[Lukecash12]

@lamalas60 Now, if you were to call any Enlightenment era composer a rocker, it would hit the mark better if that composer wrote opera seria. Handel certainly wrote some quasi-rock stuff when he wrote his Hercules opera.

[yourmaker74]

@Raveshaw2002 "metalheads are not atheists" every metalhead i know is athiest, what a stupid generalization to make.

[Mike1245690]

@Raveshaw2002 because the fans of those genres you named don't come to youtube and fill the comment section with this kind of crap, ''OH MY GOD IF BACH WAS ALIVE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A METALHEAD, GUITAR SHREDDER'', which is total nonsense, yet you still don't know why we criticize rock?, i think pop, blues and jazz have way too many things in common with rock, throwing classical music in there wouldn't be a fair comparison. Reading about the history of baroque would clear your mind

[twooffour]

@Lukecash12

But also dance / festivity music, which might come a little closer in spirit ;)

[HerrWarja]

What's the name of the harpischord-solist?

May I also recomende you all to see the harpischord concerto in f-minor? It's nice. :-)

[talonboy5432]

The harpsichord soloist name is Trevor Pinnock,in case you did not notice the description.He founded the English Concert,a Baroque orchestra.

[fhurvhur]

When I listening Bach, I feel like I am sitting by the God watching It is creating universe. Seriously.

[AmaneMisaMisa666]

Bach is God himself

[rp1703]

Let's say Bach is the fith evangelist

[BFGUITAR]

I can never get bored of this. Every time I listen to it I hear something new.

[galaxyn3rd]

I agree... I can not stop listening to BWV 1052.. I even bought a Cd at a flee market that had this harpsichord concerto and i now listen almost every time i drive. I really just want to put on my headphones and sit in a cathedral, that would be powerfull.

[polymath7]

Why do you say god, when it is clearly Bach whose creative powers are so vividly and magnificently on display?

See the great Dan Dennet on the 'trickle-down theory of goodness'.

[sebastianrer]

@BFGUITAR thinking the same!

[depmuc]

Outstanding performance.

Beautiful piece.

[LUCASGUIT]

super misterioso ....grande BACH !!!!!!

[slowframe]

what does BWV stand dfor

[SoliDeoGloria8550]

"The Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis (Bach Works Catalogue) is the numbering system identifying compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach. The prefix BWV, followed by the work's number now is the shorthand identification for Bach's compositions. The works are grouped thematically, not chronologically."

From the Wikipedia article :)

[ph4nt0mf1ng3rs]

@SoliDeoGloria8550 And FYI, i know you know this but this is for make benefit of slowframe. The person who catalogued the works as we know them is Wolfgang Schmeider. And FYI, for Schubert it was Deutch, Hoboken for Haydn =p

[khordadobidad]

How does one uniquely identify pieces of music divine in nature and manifestly from the the devotional soul of his holliness J.S.Bach.

One invents a numbering system. Sadly but unavoidably a complete disservice to the depth and expanse of the spirituality of the subject matter.

[bersa888]

I like to think that hard work and intellect played the biggest part in the writing of such music. Bach himself said that all he needed was the initial springboard, short motive, idea, "inventio", and the rest was craftsmanship and discipline. He also credited God for his gifts, but he was too much of a true "artisan of music" to dismiss the all-important human qualities I mentioned above. Our (romantic, mostly) idea of "spirituality" in a work of art was a foreigner concept to his times.

[bersa888]

...but I like what you said :-)

[SonataComposer]

Amazing!!!! Bach is...I can't put it into words..but he is amazing!

[llllloooooo]

Glorious