have you even tried dow2 with the new updates, the game play has changed dramaticly and they have added a few new abilities, drop some units, added some new units (rippers arnt a unit anymore, they are an ability from the carnifex(there are 2 different carnifex now) and lots of gameplay and balence tweaks
No, I have not tried the DoW2 with the new updates. Nor will I try DoW2 with the new updates. Relics complacency and craptacular performance has forced me to band the game. Screw DoW2, its crap. You can't shine shit, so fuck your updates.
i understand your point on dow2 but come on the game has some great potential with what it can achieve with the expension the game has some issues but the game tryes new ways to set more of the game on the battle field thing need to be corected. the first dow wasnt that complete of a game
Dude please buy DoW2! I enjoy your vids alot, especially that cinematic one. It's like you said, while it has many faults, it's full of potential. I would like to hear you opinion on that in particular.
kekskruemels' music videos show that all dow1/ss 'needs' is some extra graphical filters to look totally PIMP.
if max draw distance for models and fx and min draw distance for fog are relaxed, and specular textures are used for all units (all of which are not only possible but have been done by fans), the game would look totally ubersauce. ...ok, so that's a slight exaggeration, but it does look pretty.
Hey Vaul, have you ever tried the game Sins of a Solar Empire? It's a little bit different from this kind of RTS, but I think you'd like it. It's a little slow*, but it involves a lot of tactics and strategy.. And the developers really listen to the fans, concerning balance, gameplay and such.
*Depending on map size, of course. A game could take between 20 minutes and 20 hours--no joke.
You know, you have a unique voice almost equating to Blunty, if you haven't heard of him he's in the business of reviewing games, etc.
Just don't do so many cracks on DoW2 I mean we get it, you don't like it. Its just that it might draw viewers away as many people have re-edified that statement, etc. DoW2...well I can agree with you, from what I saw, the game felt like I was just replaying something over and over again. But many others have their opinions on it.
Thanks for the dow pro update vaul! I have dow 2 and agree that it's very easy to find the right build and just reapeat it and rake in the wins (mostly in 1V1). Campaign is quite fun but it's really too bad there is a less competitive platform for multiplayer games, especially when a game like Warhammer is 100% based on intense player vs player epic battles, not a commando-like squad vs invader lore.
You're having a tickle right? Nids are the most OP faction in the game, venom cannon isn't as ridiculous now but its still a hard counter to EVERYTHING, warriors are too effective and adrenal leap is bugged to fuck, makes suppression units useless. You are right about Orks though and guardians could use a slight dmg buff.
I completly agree with everything that you say Vaul. But if you "insult" a game that you dont like about a hundred times your probably gonna lose some viewer. Just because its so easy to team up with your friends and play 3vs3. Which in my opinion isnt as imbalanced as 1vs1 is. And all the bugs will hopefully be fixed soon. Also, in 3vs3 theres alot more opions on how to play, which units to get, which points to capture, should I help my friend or not and so on. Love your videos. Good job. :)
I love warhammer 40k and I love both dow1 and dow2 but dow1 had a lot better MP imo even if I didn't play it much, but I think I'm going to check this mod out. The problem is that I SUCK so I need to find someone who is at my level to play. ;)
But I'm a bit dispointed to hear you say DOW2 sucks. Just say you don't like it. I played a bit. I like it so far. I think a lot of people like it. But i bet you weren't totally thinking it.
About starcraft, one of the things that i disliked is that you must often go for a mass something, and you can't just play without a great amount of certain units. Tanks for terran, archons for protoss etc... Get only infantry and you're dead. Also apm is just...
just too much important in SC imo (hate that ultra speed sometimes !).
And well, I prefer having a little troup of soldiers that i must keep alive than a big army that i'm sending to death by dozens because i replace them faster.
But still i agree SC is a myth.
However, i'm probably not a very good player, but i think DOW2 is a good game, not a myth, but it can improve. Tried a lot of classic RTS, i prefer RTS without basebuilding (and without boring scv fights ).
hmm yes, well i like to concentrate on one thing in games, and having low casualties. Being forced to jump from a fight to my factory cause I must keep producing break the immersion for me. I wan't to be a commander or a governor, not both. =)
And imo strategie and tactic are about reaching an objective with specific means with as less casualties as possible. But you're forced to pressure the ennmy all the time in SC, so you're sure the troops you send in this purpose will die. I hate this :(
Yep,but maybe it's a lack of skill?I'm not speaking for you but I think those por's just do the production part with hot keys and in that way you can be a fulltime general:) and the basebuilding itself is strategy so that's no pain;).But still,high lvl matches of Starcraft are desided by who runs out minerals first,with Dow it's pure strategy,love it:).
Btw if anyone knows i'm wrong, please correct me,i'd like to know:).
Yeah probably a lack of skill :p i don't think i reach 40 apm. Still it annoys me to jump from one to another, but i like SC and DoW1. I'll perhaps try this mod.
Well it looks like the ultimate crossover between SC and DoW.The beautiful and Timeless DoW graphics,the strategy from SC,more combat less resources from DoW,.... I think you can't get wrong with this;)
Dow2 doesnt really suck. There are some things you have to think about, ie do you upgrade your units or do you go tech, or more units to help. If you only played it in beta, it has changed in release.
COokuie cutter strategies>? All rts are full of those, even in starcrafr you repeat same strategies again and again, different against each race, and differ from each map, so you have to think only on small tactical details of game, i didnt play dow2 but it doesnt seem shallow tacticaly.
DOW 2 is a great game but the TECHNICAL problems screws it(especially GFWL) and ppl is mostly spamming to win..unlike the franchise like SS where good load of thinking is needed...and Starcaft may win over DOW 2 cause of these...issues
I love the subtle changes that've been made, like one of those Berzerkers didn't have a helmet, and the Cultists don't kneel when capturing posts. Nice little tweaks like that are cool once you notice them.
Hopefully I'll eventually get SSPro, so I don't have to cry over Chaos vs Eldar anymore. xD
Actually, the guy without a helmet (he also had double chain axes) was a Khorne Berserker sergeant.
Also, notice that Berserkers break morale in this game. It turns out relic actually included morale break soundbytes for KBs even though they never broke morale in standard SS. They say things like, "No! This cannot be!" or my personal favorite, "Too much blood... can't... drink!"
i actually really like dow2. especially like the destructible cover and the suppression/damage effect of the assault marine squad jump. however, I still play dark crusade over and over; that was the best one. SS sucked.
I really miss these commentaries, even though i am a starcraft player. It will be great to have another rts to watch and play competitively! That is if it actually meets expactations.
vaul: flamers > daemons/buildings/csm but not cults
Zerks + cl w/upgrade =(almost) gk + fc
Horrors > tac armour
Broken daemons/horrors suffer damage much faster, thus why flamers are so effective, and hb's don't do much damage vs tacs, but do vs light armour.
Sort of the run down there. Both GK and Zerks are t1, zerks not being hard-capped to 1 squad, however, obviously not as effective (or as expensive :S )
i do not agree that DoW II is a bad game, it is just an ok game,but Vaul will u purchase DoW II when it gets a expansion just to test out the new units r will u pretend that the game does not exist and continue to play SS Pro
I don't really even play SS Pro. Right now I play Warhammer Fantasy Tabletop, when i'm not gaming i'm painting. I will be playing Starcraft 2 later in the year if the beta comes out for that.
Sounds like it. He said there's still all nine races. He mentioned the Necrons also have a started hero or something to that effect. So I'd assume they do, man.
Yes, they are. Sisters and Dark Eldar are Work In Progress at the moment, but they are getting a lot of attention internally currently. Of course, nothing is limited to the inner community; everything the inner community see's is put up on dowsanctuary for everyone else to see. There is no discrimination. :]
DE and SoB are obviously not quite as polished as the older 7 races but you can certainly grab them and have a gg! We don't promise the same degree of gameplay/balance quality just yet.
DoWpro is receiving ongoing patching and there's a LOT of great content bundled in the installer - a FULL wiki and manuals for each race. Additionally it comes with an IRC client that lets u join the community chat with incredible ease.
Not to annoy you, but playing as Necrons, is the nightbringer not supposed to receive health when taking damage? Sorry if I'm wrong about this, I just think I remember reading that in the wiki.
How do you make the camera follow the unit smoothly??
JadenKy 9 months ago
the link doesnt work
JLORD300 1 year ago
haha, "DoW2 sucks" You tell 'em Vaul! Give 'em hell!
that1mofo1 1 year ago
have you even tried dow2 with the new updates, the game play has changed dramaticly and they have added a few new abilities, drop some units, added some new units (rippers arnt a unit anymore, they are an ability from the carnifex(there are 2 different carnifex now) and lots of gameplay and balence tweaks
killerbudgie0 2 years ago
No, I have not tried the DoW2 with the new updates. Nor will I try DoW2 with the new updates. Relics complacency and craptacular performance has forced me to band the game. Screw DoW2, its crap. You can't shine shit, so fuck your updates.
that1mofo1 1 year ago
hmm all races? tyranieds are they in? would be awesome
Erebus2075 2 years ago
is there a version of dowpro for vanilla dawn of war ( ie no expansions )?
Cerek120 2 years ago
For Pro Does it Require the Orignal Game to play?
josephena2 2 years ago
as far as i know you only need a soulstorm game at the version 1.2 .
but dont burn me if i'm wrong^^
oloolopatrolo 2 years ago
I wish they did this for dow2 engine.
djsatane 2 years ago
undoable i think!
dowpro works absolutly different from dow2.
dow 2 is just not made to have such a complex mod (imo)
and dowpro is the only worth to play dow n the moment! (imo)
oloolopatrolo 2 years ago
I disagree.
djsatane 2 years ago
then u never even tried a really deep rts like SC:BW obviously.
but have fun playing ur funny dow2^^
oloolopatrolo 2 years ago
oh I will and quite a lot of people play it and it has nice easy fast system to find people to play it, thanks.
djsatane 2 years ago
well i prefer deep games whcih are complex and hard to play like SC. but everyone is different ^.^
oloolopatrolo 2 years ago
yea but to someone who just starts starcraft without the campaign ie cracked version, its very difficult to learn :| but i would like to :D
codytk 2 years ago
Hi Korbah :) I might log on to irc channel when i finally fix my comp... oh well...
I played Dowpro for like 2.5 years and its nice it still is discussed ppl play it :)
Baneboss 2 years ago
i understand your point on dow2 but come on the game has some great potential with what it can achieve with the expension the game has some issues but the game tryes new ways to set more of the game on the battle field thing need to be corected. the first dow wasnt that complete of a game
RockManRockOn 2 years ago
Dude please buy DoW2! I enjoy your vids alot, especially that cinematic one. It's like you said, while it has many faults, it's full of potential. I would like to hear you opinion on that in particular.
LordMunchkin 2 years ago
If he hasn't yet I doubt he's going to, it's unfortunate!
Zanzubar502 2 years ago
Well, i hope this brings another rts back to the competitive scence. All though i love starcraft, but i support esports none the less!
ragdown09 2 years ago
my online don't work on ss it says download 100% but dosn't do any thing else plz help!
nightbringer5 3 years ago
kekskruemels' music videos show that all dow1/ss 'needs' is some extra graphical filters to look totally PIMP.
if max draw distance for models and fx and min draw distance for fog are relaxed, and specular textures are used for all units (all of which are not only possible but have been done by fans), the game would look totally ubersauce. ...ok, so that's a slight exaggeration, but it does look pretty.
zer0nix 3 years ago
in wc3 micro>all. Is micro worth anything in this game?
theme99 3 years ago
yeah
Mihseidd 3 years ago
i remember playing this before dow 2 came out. didnt know that people still play it.
guitbox9 3 years ago
i sure hope you do some commentaries for this game vaul! of all of them your DoW ones are probably my favorites.
liforrevenge 3 years ago
Hey Vaul, have you ever tried the game Sins of a Solar Empire? It's a little bit different from this kind of RTS, but I think you'd like it. It's a little slow*, but it involves a lot of tactics and strategy.. And the developers really listen to the fans, concerning balance, gameplay and such.
*Depending on map size, of course. A game could take between 20 minutes and 20 hours--no joke.
Oh, and it recently got a new expansion pack.
HeadphoneHalo 3 years ago
You know, you have a unique voice almost equating to Blunty, if you haven't heard of him he's in the business of reviewing games, etc.
Just don't do so many cracks on DoW2 I mean we get it, you don't like it. Its just that it might draw viewers away as many people have re-edified that statement, etc. DoW2...well I can agree with you, from what I saw, the game felt like I was just replaying something over and over again. But many others have their opinions on it.
Gjkl345 3 years ago
Dawn of War Pro?
Might check this out. I'll stick with my AI and Wargear mod for now.
Zargkhon 3 years ago
Thanks for the dow pro update vaul! I have dow 2 and agree that it's very easy to find the right build and just reapeat it and rake in the wins (mostly in 1V1). Campaign is quite fun but it's really too bad there is a less competitive platform for multiplayer games, especially when a game like Warhammer is 100% based on intense player vs player epic battles, not a commando-like squad vs invader lore.
camwham27 3 years ago
and DOW2 is far away from balanced...the nids are finaly fine now,but the orcs and eldars are UP.
nonameCN326 3 years ago
You're having a tickle right? Nids are the most OP faction in the game, venom cannon isn't as ridiculous now but its still a hard counter to EVERYTHING, warriors are too effective and adrenal leap is bugged to fuck, makes suppression units useless. You are right about Orks though and guardians could use a slight dmg buff.
SgtBotBot 3 years ago
Nids are not OP anymore, and eldar does not need guardian buff. Anyways,i'm not gonna argue about balance with you.
nonameCN326 3 years ago
Agree nids are ridicolously OP atm.
Vhaarj 3 years ago
I completly agree with everything that you say Vaul. But if you "insult" a game that you dont like about a hundred times your probably gonna lose some viewer. Just because its so easy to team up with your friends and play 3vs3. Which in my opinion isnt as imbalanced as 1vs1 is. And all the bugs will hopefully be fixed soon. Also, in 3vs3 theres alot more opions on how to play, which units to get, which points to capture, should I help my friend or not and so on. Love your videos. Good job. :)
Vhaarj 3 years ago
I love warhammer 40k and I love both dow1 and dow2 but dow1 had a lot better MP imo even if I didn't play it much, but I think I'm going to check this mod out. The problem is that I SUCK so I need to find someone who is at my level to play. ;)
Great video as always.
smygdamp 3 years ago
I am the guy who asked this question :p
But I'm a bit dispointed to hear you say DOW2 sucks. Just say you don't like it. I played a bit. I like it so far. I think a lot of people like it. But i bet you weren't totally thinking it.
About starcraft, one of the things that i disliked is that you must often go for a mass something, and you can't just play without a great amount of certain units. Tanks for terran, archons for protoss etc... Get only infantry and you're dead. Also apm is just...
Kamfrenchie 3 years ago
just too much important in SC imo (hate that ultra speed sometimes !).
And well, I prefer having a little troup of soldiers that i must keep alive than a big army that i'm sending to death by dozens because i replace them faster.
But still i agree SC is a myth.
However, i'm probably not a very good player, but i think DOW2 is a good game, not a myth, but it can improve. Tried a lot of classic RTS, i prefer RTS without basebuilding (and without boring scv fights ).
Just my opinion.
Kamfrenchie 3 years ago
i agree with you on that, if you put effort in something you want it to last,right?:)
BlueMassiah 3 years ago
I'm not sure about which part of my message you're talking about sorry.
Kamfrenchie 3 years ago
The 'big army marches to death' -part;)
BlueMassiah 3 years ago
hmm yes, well i like to concentrate on one thing in games, and having low casualties. Being forced to jump from a fight to my factory cause I must keep producing break the immersion for me. I wan't to be a commander or a governor, not both. =)
And imo strategie and tactic are about reaching an objective with specific means with as less casualties as possible. But you're forced to pressure the ennmy all the time in SC, so you're sure the troops you send in this purpose will die. I hate this :(
Kamfrenchie 3 years ago
Yep,but maybe it's a lack of skill?I'm not speaking for you but I think those por's just do the production part with hot keys and in that way you can be a fulltime general:) and the basebuilding itself is strategy so that's no pain;).But still,high lvl matches of Starcraft are desided by who runs out minerals first,with Dow it's pure strategy,love it:).
Btw if anyone knows i'm wrong, please correct me,i'd like to know:).
BlueMassiah 2 years ago
Yeah probably a lack of skill :p i don't think i reach 40 apm. Still it annoys me to jump from one to another, but i like SC and DoW1. I'll perhaps try this mod.
Kamfrenchie 2 years ago
Well it looks like the ultimate crossover between SC and DoW.The beautiful and Timeless DoW graphics,the strategy from SC,more combat less resources from DoW,.... I think you can't get wrong with this;)
BlueMassiah 2 years ago
Dow2 doesnt really suck. There are some things you have to think about, ie do you upgrade your units or do you go tech, or more units to help. If you only played it in beta, it has changed in release.
ChillaUk 3 years ago
Vaul, totally keep making these dowpro commentaries.
JobForAGabby 3 years ago
COokuie cutter strategies>? All rts are full of those, even in starcrafr you repeat same strategies again and again, different against each race, and differ from each map, so you have to think only on small tactical details of game, i didnt play dow2 but it doesnt seem shallow tacticaly.
saruat5 3 years ago
DOW 2 is a great game but the TECHNICAL problems screws it(especially GFWL) and ppl is mostly spamming to win..unlike the franchise like SS where good load of thinking is needed...and Starcaft may win over DOW 2 cause of these...issues
gohtutnobz 3 years ago
very nice
JLORD300 3 years ago
I love the subtle changes that've been made, like one of those Berzerkers didn't have a helmet, and the Cultists don't kneel when capturing posts. Nice little tweaks like that are cool once you notice them.
Hopefully I'll eventually get SSPro, so I don't have to cry over Chaos vs Eldar anymore. xD
Vortexica 3 years ago
Actually, the guy without a helmet (he also had double chain axes) was a Khorne Berserker sergeant.
Also, notice that Berserkers break morale in this game. It turns out relic actually included morale break soundbytes for KBs even though they never broke morale in standard SS. They say things like, "No! This cannot be!" or my personal favorite, "Too much blood... can't... drink!"
erkicman 3 years ago
You know, I thought he might've been some kind of Aspiring Champion. I always thought it was kind of wierd that they aren't in normal DoW.
Also, those Berzerkers breaking sound cues sound awesome, just like all their other ones.
Vortexica 3 years ago
i actually really like dow2. especially like the destructible cover and the suppression/damage effect of the assault marine squad jump. however, I still play dark crusade over and over; that was the best one. SS sucked.
sennapods 3 years ago
dow series is better than dow2 lulz
sfgox10 3 years ago 2
I really miss these commentaries, even though i am a starcraft player. It will be great to have another rts to watch and play competitively! That is if it actually meets expactations.
ragdown09 3 years ago 3
vaul: flamers > daemons/buildings/csm but not cults
Zerks + cl w/upgrade =(almost) gk + fc
Horrors > tac armour
Broken daemons/horrors suffer damage much faster, thus why flamers are so effective, and hb's don't do much damage vs tacs, but do vs light armour.
Sort of the run down there. Both GK and Zerks are t1, zerks not being hard-capped to 1 squad, however, obviously not as effective (or as expensive :S )
UltraSimon007 3 years ago
This looks great maybe I will get it for my soulstorm game.
armr622 3 years ago
i do not agree that DoW II is a bad game, it is just an ok game,but Vaul will u purchase DoW II when it gets a expansion just to test out the new units r will u pretend that the game does not exist and continue to play SS Pro
ZeroReaper99 3 years ago
I don't really even play SS Pro. Right now I play Warhammer Fantasy Tabletop, when i'm not gaming i'm painting. I will be playing Starcraft 2 later in the year if the beta comes out for that.
VaulSC 3 years ago
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ragdown09 3 years ago
Looks very cool, and nice commentary. I think I'll check that out sometime.
LitttleD94 3 years ago
are necrons and sisters of battle playable?
nathones 3 years ago
Sounds like it. He said there's still all nine races. He mentioned the Necrons also have a started hero or something to that effect. So I'd assume they do, man.
LitttleD94 3 years ago
Yes, they are. Sisters and Dark Eldar are Work In Progress at the moment, but they are getting a lot of attention internally currently. Of course, nothing is limited to the inner community; everything the inner community see's is put up on dowsanctuary for everyone else to see. There is no discrimination. :]
Check out Necrons, they are sweet ;D
UltraSimon007 3 years ago 4
All 9 races are playable in DoWpro:SS
DE and SoB are obviously not quite as polished as the older 7 races but you can certainly grab them and have a gg! We don't promise the same degree of gameplay/balance quality just yet.
DoWpro is receiving ongoing patching and there's a LOT of great content bundled in the installer - a FULL wiki and manuals for each race. Additionally it comes with an IRC client that lets u join the community chat with incredible ease.
Korbah 2 years ago
Not to annoy you, but playing as Necrons, is the nightbringer not supposed to receive health when taking damage? Sorry if I'm wrong about this, I just think I remember reading that in the wiki.
HeadphoneHalo 2 years ago