Cleaopatra was definitely of Greek/Ptolemaic descent as her family followed the Egyptian tradition of family intermarriage(some nowadays call it incest) but Nefertiti was most probably an exotic Nubian from lower Egypt.
@blackarawak83 I think that Cleopatra was the "exotic" one considering the fact that the Ptolemaic Dynasty was the "foreign" rulers of Egypt...Nefertiti was a " local" queen, not Nubian by the way...
I DONT THINK CLEO TUT OR NEFERTITI COULD BE AS EUROPEAN AS ALEXANDER THE GREAT OR CESARE JUST AS ANCIENT ASIAN SCULPTURE AND ART IN WICH THEY ARE DEPICTED AS HAVING SLANTED EYES SO ANCIENT EGYPT HAS WIDE NOSES JUST LIKE ALEXANDER THE GREAT HAS FINE HAIR IN THE COLOSUS THEY WERE MEANT TO DEPICT THE RACE OF THE PERSON JUST AS ANCIENT EGYPT MUMMY TOMBS HAVE A GOLD CASE WITH KING TUTS FACE IN GOLD SMILING WITH A WIDE NOSE AND HIS ARMS ARE CROSSED OVER HIS CHEST
Well we ALL Know a very old Lierature Called the bible and in the bible theres the old testament and in the old testament there is the story of noah who had three sons shem ham and japeth each sons name meant something hams name meant burnt refering to his complexion it was very dark Hams SONs are Named Cush Egypt Put and Canaan all have the same dark complexion Egypt is hams son his offspring created the empire egypt
@Scottrchrdsn The depiction of Cleopatra in this video is a prime example of "brainwashing" through western media. She was an African woman, not Greek nor Arab. An African woman with the same attributes of all native born Africans. Bare witness to the style of dress, it is synonymous with African culture. Not European.
@KingTutankhamun100 Well, I was not referring to her dress but rather to how the actress was made up. Cleo did have some Greek blood in her; also, she lived in and among North Africans- a somewhat different group of people than the sub Sahara natives that I believe you are referring to. Cleo probably had a mixture of Greek and North African features; she was probably not as light skinned as Elizabeth Taylor; nor is this actress light skinned, but she still had some European features.
@KingTutankhamun100 Cleopatra was not Black, she was Greek, and tho she had some blood from Egypt in her, she was still Greek..... and not even a Danaan, the ones who were colonized and educated by Egyptians, she was of Doric descent, the later ones who came from further north and assimilated into Greece... You can let them have Cleopatra, we had Greater Black Queens of Egypt.... all she(Cleopatra) did was cause the downfall of her adopted Nation to the Romans and then kill herself
SHE IS MORE CLEOPATRA THAN CLEOPATRA HERSELF! 2 Films have affected me soooooo much! 1)=Cleopatra 2)Titanic!. Again SHE IS 10000000 times more Cleopatra than the Real Cleopatra, what a real personality, what a beauty, She is soooooooo real So alive in the movieeeeeeeeee. LOVE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Ну,дурёха.на себя-то в зеркало глядела,какая же ты Клеопатра.Клеопатра величественной была,в науках обученной,а у этой в глазах-тупость.А концовка фильма какая дурацкая:"Клеопатра,ты победила!"Я зритель-смотрю,и не верю,а Клеопатра-то от этих слов выглядит не победительницей,а дешёвкой:то у одного клянчила трон для сына ,то у другого,а как увидела, что ничего не выходит-так сразу на себя руки наложила.Клеопатра у вас получилась слабохарактерной и натянуто важной,какой-то суррогатный образ!
Out of all the Cleopatra movies I've came across, shes the only one that comes semi-close of her looks and I'm just saying that because of the semi-tan ...at least they got that right.
@44excalibur I'm aware that her story has been twisted since the day she left? She was an Egyptian, but her father was Greek tho. It just didn't show much in her. The real story of the Egyptains is so hidden that it's ridiculous when U hear it. After they disappeared all the stories were changed by Europe, especially this story. She was a dark beauty and had to be or else she wouldn't have been accepted by Egypt which was ruled by the Egyptians until they vanished.
@SilentNight700 Sorry, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Egypt was ruled by the Greek-Macedonian General Ptolemy who served under Alexander The Great, and the Ptolomaic dynasty ruled Egypt for 300 years after Alexander's death in 323 B.C. The Ptolomies were the ruling class in Egypt and ruled from the city of Alexandria. Cleopatra maintained control of Egypt by proclaiming her lineage to Alexander the Great and the Ptolemaic dynasty, not ancient Egypt, and her famliy was Greek, not Egyptian.
@44excalibur I don't feel like arguing about this. Yes the ancient Egyptains did disappear. They are not the same people that are there today. The truth is the Egyptains were a super race of people, made up of all the races of the world which is the same quality of black, yes. That story is what is in all the books so of course it's gonna be the one accepted as true, but it's not. Europe didn't come to power in Egypt until after they vansihed, that's the real story.
@SilentNight700 No need to argue because you have no argument other than "because I say so." Read your history. Alexander The Great conquered Egypt in 332 B.C. After Alexander's death in 323 B.C., General Ptolemy and the Ptolemaic dynasty ruled Egypt for 300 years until the reign of Cleoptra VII. She was named after Alexander's sister. The Ptolemies married within their own families as the ancient Pharaohs did, and both her parents were Ptolomies. Her first husband was her own brother.
@SilentNight700 Oh, and the Egyptians never vanished, okay? Anthropologists already studied the Y-chromosomes in the DNA of the Egyptians and found that they haven't changed much in the last 5000 years. There's not much difference between the ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians. The only ones saying otherwise are the Afro-centric revisionists, and no one is buying into that stuff anymore. The bronze-skinned North Africans have always looked different from the darker sub-Saharan ones in Nubia.
@44excalibur The bones discovered are of people of mixed background. Some tell that truth instead of trying to half telling it. The Egyptains weren't black but were that same uber being. The only difference is they were naturally that way and Black evolved to that. When someone points that out they are labled an afrocentric. But when people talk about anything else it's just called "the truth"? When you see no consequence in changing a story to what you as fit, why tell the truth?
@SilentNight700 You might notice in my original post that I said the ancient Egyptians were "bronze-skinned," which is what the people of north Africa are like to this day. Why dont you go over to Egypt and try telling them that they're not really Egyptians? They just love hearing Americans telling them that stuff. And the point is that Cleopatra's origins were Greek, not Egyptian. If she had been of mixed ancestry, as her half sister was, she could never have sat on the Ptolomaic throne.
Yeah but it was the whole package deal with the Egytains; bronze skin and modern attitude. No one else had that quality but the Egyptians. But if anyone resssembled their look the Egyptains gave them props. Back then the Egyptains had a renown reputation. Dark skin was seen as power and a threat. Cleopatra coulda been anywhere she wanted. Being favored by the Egyptains was an honor to anyone. If anyone refused a rep or offereing hand from them it was out of pure envy.
@SilentNight700 Okay, but the point I was making is that the native Egyptians had not ruled their own land for a long time. The Persians ruled Egypt before Alexander, and after he defeated the Persians, the Egyptians hailed Alexander as the son of god, and the city of Alexandria was built in his name. So Cleopatra used her famliy lineage to Alexander(although she herself was not related to him) as a way of maintinaing power in Egypt. Her first language was even Greek, not Egyptian.
@44excalibur Oh her first langauge was Egyptain then the rest followed. An Egyptain could pick up on any language since they were very intelligent people. Yeah it's very confusing but Egypt was always in power of their country. Taking over Egypt from the Egyptains was deemed impossible. They were very bold and powerful people. That's why they partied after their disappearance and messed up the real story. They had no one to answer to. So why not say what they want the Egyptains were gone.
@SilentNight700 I guess the history of Alexander the Great's conquest of Egypt and Cleopatra being descended from the Greek General Ptolemy must have slipped right by you, didn't it? Why would an Egyptian Queen have a Greek name, the same name as Alexander The Great's sister? And Cleopatra was the seventh woman in the Ptolemaic dynasty with that name. I guess facts don't mean much to you, huh? The Egyptians had been conquered many times over the centuries. They did not "disappear."
@44excalibur It's just the truth, they aren't the original Egyptain. But it doesn't matter now. No, this is not "because I said so", it's because it is so. I'll say it again ...The Egyptains ruled Egypt until the day they disappeared. Blame all that confusion on selfish people who saw no wrong in changing the story. Cleopatra didn't do half those things they said she did, like marry her brother. Egypt did NOT play incest, that was another Europefied story.
@SilentNight700 Well, I guess you can only make people believe what they want to be true, which is the basis for Afrocentric revisionist history. And when you give people historical facts, they say that it's "Europeanized," depsite historical records and archeological evidence, including DNA.
@44excalibur Yeah let's end it the europeanized way by calling common sense "afrocentric". When you see no consequence in telling whole facts you only reveal the "archeological evidence including DNA" you want to reveal. I promise you you'll hear this again but the next time you'll have no choice but to know what's true. For right now aged practices are accepted truth. But calling blue 'green' for thousands of years doesn't make blue any greener.
@SilentNight700 And calling Cleopatra "Egyptian" won't make her any less Greek or a memeber of the Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty. But there will always be people like you who still believe stuff like the Earth is flat or the Apollo moon landings were faked.
@44excalibur of course they would have that chromosome... you must not know that the Hyksos, Persians, Greeks, Romans as well as various migrants assimilated into Egypt, and bred with the people their, causing a lightening of the skin..... The way you conquer a people is to kill off the men of the royal line and marry there women, giving you legitimate claim to the crown..... as well as getting rid of the opposition to your takeover
@CoachDaKingMRP I'm well aware that there was mixing going on throughout ancient history. But we're talking about royal bloodlines here, not commoners. The Ptolemaic dynasty ruled Egypt exclusively by the fact that they were all that was left of Alexander's empire in North Africa, and prided their Greek heritage above all else. And most bronze-skinned North Africans of that time were different in appearance to their darker-skinned sub-saharan neighbors in Nubia and Ethiopa.
@44excalibur Yes but the conquerors always gained legitimacy with the common people by mixing in with the royal blood line, and by this time the Egyptians had been conquered by the Hyksos, Persians, and had lived under Greeks for 300 years.... they ruling class and much of the nobilty and merchant class would have the bronze skin you described, you do notice there were a lot of Darker, "Nubians"( since it seems no one want to admit they were Egyptians) running around the city of Alexandria
@44excalibur But the fact remains Herodotus(Greek, Father of History to Europeans) described them having the same appearance as Ethiopians, and that Egyptian legends trace the origiins of their people and civilization southward up the Nile River...... I have no problem accepting the fact that Egypt started out as Black, but being the cosmopolitan Kingdom it was became a polyglot kingdom of various ethnicities and Mixtures..... I dont dispute Cleopatra was majority Greek either
@CoachDaKingMRP I know about Herodotus, and he wrote that of the 300-plus Egyptian Pharaohs, only a handful(18-20) were dark-skinned. This was during the 75-year occupation of Egypt by the Nubians, who invaded Egypt and were a constant rival during their history. This is why they are called "Nubians" and not "Egyptians." Egypt is an oft-conquered country, and everyone from the Nubians, Greeks, Persians, and Romans had occupied them at one point or another, hence the rather mixed population.
@CoachDaKingMRP Also, Cleopatra had a sister whose body was discovered as having African features, but she was only her half-sister, as they had the same father but different mothers. This is why the sister could never be a royal, as she was not of full Ptolemaic blood. Cleopatra was most certainly an olive-skinned Greek woman. The Afro-centric view of ancient Egypt suggesting that the population of a continent all look alike is not true. Indians and Chinese are Asian, but look nothing alike.
@CoachDaKingMRP As to what the early Egyptians looked like, we don't have any photographs to say for sure. However, DNA testing has concluded that Egyptians have not changed much in the last 5,000 years. And the oldest civilizations on record are in Mesopotamia, which is in Asia, not Africa. Afro-centric Egypt seems mostly a politically correct revisionist viewpoint, but not actual history. Nothern Africans have always looked noticably different from their central and southern neighbors.
@44excalibur Anyone who's been to Africa or met people from Across the continent knows that not all Africans look alike........ But as far as Herodotus, he was diescribing the people not the Pharoahs and he said Egyptians, not Nubians....... I figure that they started out with a appearance similar to the Ethiopians or may be the Sudanese. And you cant deny that many Ethiopians look Semitic but are still classified as black...Just as many Arabs look black but are still classified as Arab
@CoachDaKingMRP Remember that Herodotus was Greek, and there is more than one Ethiopia that he could have been talking about. There is the East African country of Ethiopia we know today, and then there is the middle-eastern country of "Aethiopia" which was part of the ancient kingdom of Phoenicia, which is spoken of in greek mythology and was located where modern-day Lebanon is today. So when Herodotus compares the physical appearance of Egyptians to "Ethiopians," which is he referring to?
@44excalibur In those days all of Africa was known as Aethiopia..... They didn't call any specific nation Ethiopia, just the whole continent.... Furthermore there is no solid evidence that I know of that any greeks went into sub-Saharan Africa...... And since Phoenicia was a known living kindgdom at the time i doubt he was talking about any one near Phoenecia......So now its starting to feel like your grasping for straws... whether you are or not, and if Cleopatra's sister had African features
@44excalibur that would mean that people of said features were in Egypt and apparently they were of some rank and status for Pharoah to have a daughter by one. If she were the daughter of a nobody "Nubian"(who everyone suggests were slaves, not that you have suggested this) mother why we even know she was Cleopatra's sister? Obviously her family had to be important in some way and not merely a concubine.... And burnt skin? When you burn things they turn black, no matter what color they are......
@CoachDaKingMRP Not grasping at straws at all. Remember the legend of princess Andromeda, the daughter of King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia of the kingdom of Aethiopia? It was part of Phoenicia -- modern day Lebanon, not Africa. And since there is no evidence that Greeks went into sub-saharan Africa, then why would Herodotus compare the Egyptians to a people south of Sudan? And I never said Cleoptra's younger half-sister Arsinoe's mother was Nubian, just that she had African ancestry.
@CoachDaKingMRP Cleopatra apparently had Arsinoe killed, along with her two older brothers(one of whom Cleopatra was briefly married to). And the Ptolemies were known to copy the Egyptian practice of "keeping it in the family" for the most part, hence Cleopatra originally being married to her brother. Cleopatra even used her family's lineage to Alexander The Great to maintain her power in Egypt rather than to any Egyptian heritage. The point being, Cleopatra was of Greek-Macedonian ancestry.
@44excalibur you also have to remember the the legend of Andromeda is just that, a legend.... and if thats the case that would mean that the Phoenicians were black too huh? According to some, the middle east was once included as a part of Africa until the construction of the Suez Canal, but I dont support that idea. And once again i dont dispute she was of Greek ancestry, she was most definitelty European in appearance.....
@twotimes87 the same debate that always comes up when Ancient Egypt is mentioned... whether they were black Africans or White, or Arab... Our specific topic is whether Cleopatra had any Egyptian blood in her at all tho..... He says she was full Greek, I say she was Mostly Greek and part Egyptian.... I like debating with him on this because he seems to be able to keep his objectivity unlike a lot of people when it comes to this particular subject
@cheerleader4lyfe235 Yes, this is a truly wonderful movie. And Leonor Varela is, especially in this film, one of the most breathtakingly beautiful women in the world! (Good actress, too!)
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richielucasrochester 1 week ago
Cleaopatra was definitely of Greek/Ptolemaic descent as her family followed the Egyptian tradition of family intermarriage(some nowadays call it incest) but Nefertiti was most probably an exotic Nubian from lower Egypt.
blackarawak83 2 weeks ago
@blackarawak83 I think that Cleopatra was the "exotic" one considering the fact that the Ptolemaic Dynasty was the "foreign" rulers of Egypt...Nefertiti was a " local" queen, not Nubian by the way...
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Varoonmg 16 hours ago
I believe that Cleopatra and Nefertiti was light Brown are Dark the Heat won't let fair skin People be comfortable in this Envir,,,,
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manonmoi35 3 weeks ago
I DONT THINK CLEO TUT OR NEFERTITI COULD BE AS EUROPEAN AS ALEXANDER THE GREAT OR CESARE JUST AS ANCIENT ASIAN SCULPTURE AND ART IN WICH THEY ARE DEPICTED AS HAVING SLANTED EYES SO ANCIENT EGYPT HAS WIDE NOSES JUST LIKE ALEXANDER THE GREAT HAS FINE HAIR IN THE COLOSUS THEY WERE MEANT TO DEPICT THE RACE OF THE PERSON JUST AS ANCIENT EGYPT MUMMY TOMBS HAVE A GOLD CASE WITH KING TUTS FACE IN GOLD SMILING WITH A WIDE NOSE AND HIS ARMS ARE CROSSED OVER HIS CHEST
twotimes87 1 month ago
Well we ALL Know a very old Lierature Called the bible and in the bible theres the old testament and in the old testament there is the story of noah who had three sons shem ham and japeth each sons name meant something hams name meant burnt refering to his complexion it was very dark Hams SONs are Named Cush Egypt Put and Canaan all have the same dark complexion Egypt is hams son his offspring created the empire egypt
twotimes87 1 month ago
At 0:21 Cleopatra pregnant with Caesarion.
richielucasrochester 1 month ago
This actress has probably the closest resemblance to the historical Cleopatra.
Scottrchrdsn 1 month ago
@Scottrchrdsn Surly doubt your comment has any TRUTH in it.
KingTutankhamun100 1 month ago
@KingTutankhamun100 And why, exactly, do you feel that way?
Scottrchrdsn 1 month ago
@Scottrchrdsn The depiction of Cleopatra in this video is a prime example of "brainwashing" through western media. She was an African woman, not Greek nor Arab. An African woman with the same attributes of all native born Africans. Bare witness to the style of dress, it is synonymous with African culture. Not European.
KingTutankhamun100 1 month ago
@KingTutankhamun100 Well, I was not referring to her dress but rather to how the actress was made up. Cleo did have some Greek blood in her; also, she lived in and among North Africans- a somewhat different group of people than the sub Sahara natives that I believe you are referring to. Cleo probably had a mixture of Greek and North African features; she was probably not as light skinned as Elizabeth Taylor; nor is this actress light skinned, but she still had some European features.
Scottrchrdsn 1 month ago
@KingTutankhamun100 Cleopatra was not Black, she was Greek, and tho she had some blood from Egypt in her, she was still Greek..... and not even a Danaan, the ones who were colonized and educated by Egyptians, she was of Doric descent, the later ones who came from further north and assimilated into Greece... You can let them have Cleopatra, we had Greater Black Queens of Egypt.... all she(Cleopatra) did was cause the downfall of her adopted Nation to the Romans and then kill herself
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@Scottrchrdsn she probably does, Cleopayra was a Ptolemy after all....
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
This is not Cleopatra
KingTutankhamun100 1 month ago
she is beautyful and she did a wonderful job as Cleopatra. after Taylor, she did the best version.
europeer 2 months ago
@europeer I think she was every bit as good a Liz (Taylor, in the equally magnificent '63 version)!!
MCP2012 1 month ago
Leonor Varela=My best favorite actress 4 everrrrrrrrr
xOxKurdParstxOx 2 months ago
SHE IS MORE CLEOPATRA THAN CLEOPATRA HERSELF! 2 Films have affected me soooooo much! 1)=Cleopatra 2)Titanic!. Again SHE IS 10000000 times more Cleopatra than the Real Cleopatra, what a real personality, what a beauty, She is soooooooo real So alive in the movieeeeeeeeee. LOVE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
xOxKurdParstxOx 2 months ago
At 0:25 Cleopatra presenting her newborn son Caesarion.
richielucasrochester 3 months ago
She's so beautiful!
vivien986 3 months ago
Ну,дурёха.на себя-то в зеркало глядела,какая же ты Клеопатра.Клеопатра величественной была,в науках обученной,а у этой в глазах-тупость.А концовка фильма какая дурацкая:"Клеопатра,ты победила!"Я зритель-смотрю,и не верю,а Клеопатра-то от этих слов выглядит не победительницей,а дешёвкой:то у одного клянчила трон для сына ,то у другого,а как увидела, что ничего не выходит-так сразу на себя руки наложила.Клеопатра у вас получилась слабохарактерной и натянуто важной,какой-то суррогатный образ!
maia529 4 months ago
Silentnight700.. Thank you! I would shake you hand if I could. But anyway Thanx for posting that. You obviously know you stuff!
Kaluaokalani 1 year ago
really beauty
janativa 1 year ago
Out of all the Cleopatra movies I've came across, shes the only one that comes semi-close of her looks and I'm just saying that because of the semi-tan ...at least they got that right.
SilentNight700 2 years ago
@SilentNight700 You are aware that Cleopatra was of Greek-Macedonian descent, and not Egyptian, right?
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur I'm aware that her story has been twisted since the day she left? She was an Egyptian, but her father was Greek tho. It just didn't show much in her. The real story of the Egyptains is so hidden that it's ridiculous when U hear it. After they disappeared all the stories were changed by Europe, especially this story. She was a dark beauty and had to be or else she wouldn't have been accepted by Egypt which was ruled by the Egyptians until they vanished.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 Sorry, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Egypt was ruled by the Greek-Macedonian General Ptolemy who served under Alexander The Great, and the Ptolomaic dynasty ruled Egypt for 300 years after Alexander's death in 323 B.C. The Ptolomies were the ruling class in Egypt and ruled from the city of Alexandria. Cleopatra maintained control of Egypt by proclaiming her lineage to Alexander the Great and the Ptolemaic dynasty, not ancient Egypt, and her famliy was Greek, not Egyptian.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur I don't feel like arguing about this. Yes the ancient Egyptains did disappear. They are not the same people that are there today. The truth is the Egyptains were a super race of people, made up of all the races of the world which is the same quality of black, yes. That story is what is in all the books so of course it's gonna be the one accepted as true, but it's not. Europe didn't come to power in Egypt until after they vansihed, that's the real story.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 No need to argue because you have no argument other than "because I say so." Read your history. Alexander The Great conquered Egypt in 332 B.C. After Alexander's death in 323 B.C., General Ptolemy and the Ptolemaic dynasty ruled Egypt for 300 years until the reign of Cleoptra VII. She was named after Alexander's sister. The Ptolemies married within their own families as the ancient Pharaohs did, and both her parents were Ptolomies. Her first husband was her own brother.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 Oh, and the Egyptians never vanished, okay? Anthropologists already studied the Y-chromosomes in the DNA of the Egyptians and found that they haven't changed much in the last 5000 years. There's not much difference between the ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians. The only ones saying otherwise are the Afro-centric revisionists, and no one is buying into that stuff anymore. The bronze-skinned North Africans have always looked different from the darker sub-Saharan ones in Nubia.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur The bones discovered are of people of mixed background. Some tell that truth instead of trying to half telling it. The Egyptains weren't black but were that same uber being. The only difference is they were naturally that way and Black evolved to that. When someone points that out they are labled an afrocentric. But when people talk about anything else it's just called "the truth"? When you see no consequence in changing a story to what you as fit, why tell the truth?
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 You might notice in my original post that I said the ancient Egyptians were "bronze-skinned," which is what the people of north Africa are like to this day. Why dont you go over to Egypt and try telling them that they're not really Egyptians? They just love hearing Americans telling them that stuff. And the point is that Cleopatra's origins were Greek, not Egyptian. If she had been of mixed ancestry, as her half sister was, she could never have sat on the Ptolomaic throne.
44excalibur 1 year ago
Yeah but it was the whole package deal with the Egytains; bronze skin and modern attitude. No one else had that quality but the Egyptians. But if anyone resssembled their look the Egyptains gave them props. Back then the Egyptains had a renown reputation. Dark skin was seen as power and a threat. Cleopatra coulda been anywhere she wanted. Being favored by the Egyptains was an honor to anyone. If anyone refused a rep or offereing hand from them it was out of pure envy.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 Okay, but the point I was making is that the native Egyptians had not ruled their own land for a long time. The Persians ruled Egypt before Alexander, and after he defeated the Persians, the Egyptians hailed Alexander as the son of god, and the city of Alexandria was built in his name. So Cleopatra used her famliy lineage to Alexander(although she herself was not related to him) as a way of maintinaing power in Egypt. Her first language was even Greek, not Egyptian.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur Oh her first langauge was Egyptain then the rest followed. An Egyptain could pick up on any language since they were very intelligent people. Yeah it's very confusing but Egypt was always in power of their country. Taking over Egypt from the Egyptains was deemed impossible. They were very bold and powerful people. That's why they partied after their disappearance and messed up the real story. They had no one to answer to. So why not say what they want the Egyptains were gone.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 I guess the history of Alexander the Great's conquest of Egypt and Cleopatra being descended from the Greek General Ptolemy must have slipped right by you, didn't it? Why would an Egyptian Queen have a Greek name, the same name as Alexander The Great's sister? And Cleopatra was the seventh woman in the Ptolemaic dynasty with that name. I guess facts don't mean much to you, huh? The Egyptians had been conquered many times over the centuries. They did not "disappear."
44excalibur 1 year ago 2
@44excalibur It's just the truth, they aren't the original Egyptain. But it doesn't matter now. No, this is not "because I said so", it's because it is so. I'll say it again ...The Egyptains ruled Egypt until the day they disappeared. Blame all that confusion on selfish people who saw no wrong in changing the story. Cleopatra didn't do half those things they said she did, like marry her brother. Egypt did NOT play incest, that was another Europefied story.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 Well, I guess you can only make people believe what they want to be true, which is the basis for Afrocentric revisionist history. And when you give people historical facts, they say that it's "Europeanized," depsite historical records and archeological evidence, including DNA.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur Yeah let's end it the europeanized way by calling common sense "afrocentric". When you see no consequence in telling whole facts you only reveal the "archeological evidence including DNA" you want to reveal. I promise you you'll hear this again but the next time you'll have no choice but to know what's true. For right now aged practices are accepted truth. But calling blue 'green' for thousands of years doesn't make blue any greener.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@SilentNight700 And calling Cleopatra "Egyptian" won't make her any less Greek or a memeber of the Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty. But there will always be people like you who still believe stuff like the Earth is flat or the Apollo moon landings were faked.
44excalibur 1 year ago 9
@44excalibur Listen to your own advice, it suits.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
-to what you"see" as fit.
SilentNight700 1 year ago
@44excalibur of course they would have that chromosome... you must not know that the Hyksos, Persians, Greeks, Romans as well as various migrants assimilated into Egypt, and bred with the people their, causing a lightening of the skin..... The way you conquer a people is to kill off the men of the royal line and marry there women, giving you legitimate claim to the crown..... as well as getting rid of the opposition to your takeover
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP I'm well aware that there was mixing going on throughout ancient history. But we're talking about royal bloodlines here, not commoners. The Ptolemaic dynasty ruled Egypt exclusively by the fact that they were all that was left of Alexander's empire in North Africa, and prided their Greek heritage above all else. And most bronze-skinned North Africans of that time were different in appearance to their darker-skinned sub-saharan neighbors in Nubia and Ethiopa.
44excalibur 1 month ago
@44excalibur Yes but the conquerors always gained legitimacy with the common people by mixing in with the royal blood line, and by this time the Egyptians had been conquered by the Hyksos, Persians, and had lived under Greeks for 300 years.... they ruling class and much of the nobilty and merchant class would have the bronze skin you described, you do notice there were a lot of Darker, "Nubians"( since it seems no one want to admit they were Egyptians) running around the city of Alexandria
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@44excalibur But the fact remains Herodotus(Greek, Father of History to Europeans) described them having the same appearance as Ethiopians, and that Egyptian legends trace the origiins of their people and civilization southward up the Nile River...... I have no problem accepting the fact that Egypt started out as Black, but being the cosmopolitan Kingdom it was became a polyglot kingdom of various ethnicities and Mixtures..... I dont dispute Cleopatra was majority Greek either
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP I know about Herodotus, and he wrote that of the 300-plus Egyptian Pharaohs, only a handful(18-20) were dark-skinned. This was during the 75-year occupation of Egypt by the Nubians, who invaded Egypt and were a constant rival during their history. This is why they are called "Nubians" and not "Egyptians." Egypt is an oft-conquered country, and everyone from the Nubians, Greeks, Persians, and Romans had occupied them at one point or another, hence the rather mixed population.
44excalibur 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP Also, Cleopatra had a sister whose body was discovered as having African features, but she was only her half-sister, as they had the same father but different mothers. This is why the sister could never be a royal, as she was not of full Ptolemaic blood. Cleopatra was most certainly an olive-skinned Greek woman. The Afro-centric view of ancient Egypt suggesting that the population of a continent all look alike is not true. Indians and Chinese are Asian, but look nothing alike.
44excalibur 1 month ago 2
@CoachDaKingMRP As to what the early Egyptians looked like, we don't have any photographs to say for sure. However, DNA testing has concluded that Egyptians have not changed much in the last 5,000 years. And the oldest civilizations on record are in Mesopotamia, which is in Asia, not Africa. Afro-centric Egypt seems mostly a politically correct revisionist viewpoint, but not actual history. Nothern Africans have always looked noticably different from their central and southern neighbors.
44excalibur 1 month ago
@44excalibur Anyone who's been to Africa or met people from Across the continent knows that not all Africans look alike........ But as far as Herodotus, he was diescribing the people not the Pharoahs and he said Egyptians, not Nubians....... I figure that they started out with a appearance similar to the Ethiopians or may be the Sudanese. And you cant deny that many Ethiopians look Semitic but are still classified as black...Just as many Arabs look black but are still classified as Arab
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP Remember that Herodotus was Greek, and there is more than one Ethiopia that he could have been talking about. There is the East African country of Ethiopia we know today, and then there is the middle-eastern country of "Aethiopia" which was part of the ancient kingdom of Phoenicia, which is spoken of in greek mythology and was located where modern-day Lebanon is today. So when Herodotus compares the physical appearance of Egyptians to "Ethiopians," which is he referring to?
44excalibur 1 month ago
@44excalibur In those days all of Africa was known as Aethiopia..... They didn't call any specific nation Ethiopia, just the whole continent.... Furthermore there is no solid evidence that I know of that any greeks went into sub-Saharan Africa...... And since Phoenicia was a known living kindgdom at the time i doubt he was talking about any one near Phoenecia......So now its starting to feel like your grasping for straws... whether you are or not, and if Cleopatra's sister had African features
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@44excalibur that would mean that people of said features were in Egypt and apparently they were of some rank and status for Pharoah to have a daughter by one. If she were the daughter of a nobody "Nubian"(who everyone suggests were slaves, not that you have suggested this) mother why we even know she was Cleopatra's sister? Obviously her family had to be important in some way and not merely a concubine.... And burnt skin? When you burn things they turn black, no matter what color they are......
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP Not grasping at straws at all. Remember the legend of princess Andromeda, the daughter of King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia of the kingdom of Aethiopia? It was part of Phoenicia -- modern day Lebanon, not Africa. And since there is no evidence that Greeks went into sub-saharan Africa, then why would Herodotus compare the Egyptians to a people south of Sudan? And I never said Cleoptra's younger half-sister Arsinoe's mother was Nubian, just that she had African ancestry.
44excalibur 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP Cleopatra apparently had Arsinoe killed, along with her two older brothers(one of whom Cleopatra was briefly married to). And the Ptolemies were known to copy the Egyptian practice of "keeping it in the family" for the most part, hence Cleopatra originally being married to her brother. Cleopatra even used her family's lineage to Alexander The Great to maintain her power in Egypt rather than to any Egyptian heritage. The point being, Cleopatra was of Greek-Macedonian ancestry.
44excalibur 1 month ago
@44excalibur you also have to remember the the legend of Andromeda is just that, a legend.... and if thats the case that would mean that the Phoenicians were black too huh? According to some, the middle east was once included as a part of Africa until the construction of the Suez Canal, but I dont support that idea. And once again i dont dispute she was of Greek ancestry, she was most definitelty European in appearance.....
CoachDaKingMRP 1 month ago
@CoachDaKingMRP you guys sure no alot about history what is this debate about
twotimes87 1 month ago
@twotimes87 the same debate that always comes up when Ancient Egypt is mentioned... whether they were black Africans or White, or Arab... Our specific topic is whether Cleopatra had any Egyptian blood in her at all tho..... He says she was full Greek, I say she was Mostly Greek and part Egyptian.... I like debating with him on this because he seems to be able to keep his objectivity unlike a lot of people when it comes to this particular subject
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