Oh well, I'm a omnivore. I'm healthy and have a good diet of both. My BMI is good. My meat comes from local farms. I do suffer from defficencies. I cannot tollerate some products. I'm sorry I am lactose intolerent so soy is an option but I cannot stomach it. Stuff is gross! So i use lactose free milk.
Oh well, I'm a meat eater. Go fix world hunger before you bother me. :)
let's wake up here & come together !!! The kingdom of heaven is not gonna be vegans on 1 side & meat eaters on the other ! Wake up WAKE UP WAKE UP !!!! SATAN IS WORKING OVERTIME , DON'T LET HIM WIN !!! the 2nd commandment love your neighbor as you love yourself !!! Bless u all & i hope this brought some clarity !
loving god take my family memeber ! he's an all loving god with fruits & veggies but a wicked god when death comes in ??? Godforbid ! We need to wake up !!! he's the same God of all loving ! not condeming for meat eating or not !!! this topic is just another deception that is causing widespread divison @it's highest level & it's madness that needs to stop !!! Our ways are not of his ways , nor our thoughts of his thoughts , obviously he was on to something when he approved meats for eating !
loved one the same thing ! Am i right or wrong ??? let's not say we believe in the Most high be vegans and then condem all others ! We act like the Most high approved the vegan way & Satan approved the meat way ! it's nonsense ! But we'll uphold the vegan way which we caloim is the Most highs way & condem meat eaters call them devil followers but then when we lose a family memeber we still believe in the Most High , ask the same questio then as the animal perishing , say hey why would an all
says ! & he's also said our thoughts are not of his thoughts nor our ways of his ways !!! so when we try and figure things out like why do animals have to be eaten remember our thoughts are not of his , nor our ways of his ! Also many will not eat meat then say they believe in the Most high and follow the diet of Genesis chapter 1 but then will critcize the Most High for meat eating but when your gonna say why do animals have to perish what God will do that ? u should also say then when u lose a
and all loving god wouldn't harm us , many will counter with well that's how u know their ain't a God , why would a loving god approve animal sacrafices for . hpwever many vegans will say well we need to eat what God intended for us to eat which is veggies , fruits , nuts plants etc... , but isn't he the same god that approved plants , fruits , veggies , seeds etc... that approved meat as well ??? or am i missing something here ??? If were gonna quote the Most High we must quote all that he
I support vegans all the way , i commend everyone that eats this way it's amazing that they do so . However i am a man who whole heartedly believes in the scriptures , & yes in Genesis chapter 1: 29-31 does promote the vegan diet , however when u go to Genesis 9: 1-3 After the flood when the Most high came in he gave all meats to us to eat . Now i'm not condeming vegans nor meat eaters @all But the Most High wouldn't approve meat for us if it were dangerous to consume , he's an all loving God
Great video. I was a vegan for 8 years. I became a vegan at age 16 after reading Animal Liberation by Peter Singer. Despite a "varied" vegan diet (beans, tofu, nuts, grains, tempeh, lots of organic veggies and fruit), after 8 years, I was severely malnourished, skinny, and depressed. I began eating meat and eggs again, and my health and mental clarity improved dramatically! The vegan diet is simply not for everyone.
The Bible is pro veganism, but it is advisable to supplement B12 because we are a copy of a copy of a copy ect and we are not as strong as we were in the past, in addition the environment are so polluted that we have lost a lot of the nutrition of plants and gained more toxins, so it is good to be a smart vegan too. :) I prefer low fat the McDougall way.. and slowly moving towards more and more Raw. :)
B12 is not in meat and dairy because it's natural, but because of the organism. Those organisms grow on the better soil. Some say that those organism are also te be found on organic fruit and vegetables and therefore provide b12 (only when you don't wash them).
Honestly, there isn't anyone more butt ugly then a p.e.t.a. bitch vegan liar lunatic. All so fucking ugly and hideous. If your cute girl who wants be as hideous as ellen degenerate in under 15-20 yrs then by all means get on vegan diet. Fucking mentally ill p.e.t.a. vegan liar bitches make me sick flooding you tube lie lie lie lie hoping to deceive other females from 12-40 who too stupid too kinow lies when hear them and fall prey to p.e.t.a. lies. Get fuck off you tube you crazy bitch lieers
@guitarobsessed85 There's evidence that EPA & DHA are produced in the body, as long as the omega 3 to 6 ratio is appropriate (achieved on a low fat diet avoiding oils)
@brianv00 Evidence? It is known that EPA is produced in the body from alpha-linolenic acid, but it is not produced in sufficient amounts for optimal growth and maintenance and studies have shown that DHA levels do not raise with ALA supplementation. DHA is a necessary supplement.
@durianrider look at the regular folk who don't give a hoot, except they consume to perform well in life, as appropriate for them, they eat fundamental foods, which includes plenty of fundamental cooked food, and are in good/great health. It's a matter of moderation and balance. That keeps us well. Balance. In-tune-ness. The diet you espouse is very unhuman. We are tool and fire - makers and users, as a species, and those two factors have been fundamental in our evolutional development.
@guitarobsessed85 DHA is not that big of an issue if you limit the intake of fat in general, so a low fat vegan would need less fatty acids such as O3 than a person that has a higher O6 intake. Perhaps you know more of this, just stating what McDougall and Dr Graham are talking about in their programs.
@harparkrat1 I'm not a lay person. I know that fatty acids are found in nuts, soy, etc. DHA is a specific necessary fatty acid which is not found in any non-animal source except for Algae. Humans lost the ability to convert ALA to DHA and EPA efficiently because DHA and EPA used to be very high in our diet. Ruminants can do it efficiently and fish bio-accumulate DHA and EPA through eating algae.
@guitarobsessed85 I am a doctor too and I was vegan for many years without any problem and any integration. Anyway I agree that sometimes in some individuals can be necessary to take integrators B12 and DHA. Generally is enough a good diet.
holy rusted metal batman! what a blatant liar and mentally ill sick psycho!!! first - the "im vegan and just fine " no y9u arent you crazy bitch! your brain doesnt function properly you look like your an hiv patient and cant believe you actually lie bout bible of all things lol bible is anti vegan and plainly in dozens of passages command sus including genesis to dominate animal lifde kill them and eat them and same god who till minute of crucufiction only way salvation was kill animals!!! liar!
#2 and what kind of psycho liar tries lie bout bible? and "gave green to all life " blah bloah blah was not a " eat only plants" and was " all living things so what humans tigers cougars wolves all meat eaters are commanded in bible to eat greens? what a liar crazy manipulative cunt! we had to kill animals as opnly wat to salvation and heaven till minute of crucifiction! i cant stand these liars and psychos bible orders us throughout it to kill animals and eat them! what liar cunt!
vegan diet is super unhealthy its healthier to smoke to crack! yuo CANNOT EVEN BE VEGAN WITHOUT DYING AND HAVING FATAL HEALTH PROBLEMS WITHOUT DAILY SUPPLEMENTS VITAMINS MINERALS CREATININE ETC ETC ETC WHAT FUCK THAT TELL YOU? cant even do it and live less you take fistfulls of supplements and pills! why do you think they shrivel up!
"I haven't found any articles".......... How many hours a day have you searched for and researched your information? 8 hours, 9 hours, 10 hours??? Thats what doctors do they study and work 12+ hours a day. Everyone should watch this movie "Forks Over Knives": /watch?v=R5Rc2WFm4-A&feature=related
there are plenty of vegans who live mainly on fruit, apparently some researchers say you need less than 5% protein calories. there is no such case a person on a low calcium diet having a calcium deficiency (o.O).... researches change all the time, and i got on when when i was fruitatrian. have been doin veg since i was 10-16 started eating animal products for about a year, but im back :P
@terrillcase1 Perhaps you have, but they're often biased towards animal foods and may even have been, at some point, sponsored by animal food producers. Much of the common nutritional information that goes around comes from producers of food and is, naturally, biased in favor of those products. There are HUGE vested commercial interests behind the promotion of meat and milk and, yeah, it can be *hard* to get at the truth. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and vegans are relatively healthy
@jerrry400 This is just SO irrelevant to the real issues! And the text she mentions in a decent translation reads: 'I have given to you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth and every tree on which there is the fruit of a tree bearing seed'. So, whole plant kingdom and people in 'Old testament' times lived mostly on what we would today recognise as a vegan diet, supplemented by a little meat etc on special occasions.
@jerrry400 Though I agree that God is a bad copout, do I really need an excuse for liking meat? Can't I just have all of the above on my plate for dinner because I think it tastes good?
@terrillcase1 the same people might tell you to put your cat on a vegan diet. if people can't digest meat, then how can a cat digest grains and vegetables?
@terrillcase1 that's how my brother is. he keeps telling me that the pig gladly gave his life just so he could get eaten. it doesn't really bother me though, i cant make him not eat meat, just like no one can make me eat it lol
Hellooooo....the articles you have read are probably written by pro-meat industries looking to circumvent the dangers of losing business through the international explosion of veganism. I have been vegan for 17 years and feel great. Do not miss meat, do not need it and do not want it. A handful of unsalted cashews is equivalent to a beef steak for protein.
Articles only say that being vegan is dangerous so people will keep eating meat. No meat would be sold if everyone was vegan which means the manufacturors would be out of a job lol
I would like to say that I am open-minded as well. I tried being vegan for a month. I took a multi-vitamin with 100% B-12 and 100% iron and ate foods fortified with these supplements and fortified with calcium and Vitamin D. I ate beans, salads, fruit, veggies, whole grains, seeds, avacados etc. 2 weeks in I was getting ill. I had odd headaches, I had extreme fatigue and a constant sore throat. Once I started adding meat back in I felt so much better; however, I do feel better without dairy.
The problem with vegans (esp. new vegans) is that they have NO IDEA how to cook and eat once they give up the meat. Society seems to define a meal as a meat possibly paired with insignificant veggie sides. Because most have NO IDEA how to prepare veggie meals more interesting than simple boring salads they eat more processed foods and supplements that may be technically vegan but riddled with "refined" and "fortified" EVERYTHING! What's more unnatural than that?
@jerrry400 No dangers in a vegan diet? What about B12 deficiency, vitamin D deficiency, deficiency of vitamin A in the form of retinol, vitamin E, vitamin K2, ... ??? I got real sick on a vegan diet! Gave me autoimmune problems.
People think all the vitamins and minerals in fruit and vegetables are absorbed, which is totally not true!
@KorionDotNet Those sound easily curable. It takes a bit of research and keeping track. The core of the problem is in the person. A lazy person may turn into a lazy vegan. It's all in attitude. I am an example of this: I don't keep track, and I have always been lazy. Because of this laziness, I often eat the same, unvaried thing for weeks straight. Fortunately, I have been a lazy vegan for three years, but I'm still doing fine. I could do better.
Vitamin A - beta carotene... which the body converts to retinol in the small intestine.
Vitamin D - the sun.
Vitamin E - is in all sorts of plant oils and veggies... I don't get why you listed it?
Vitamin K2 - has two subtypes MK4 and MK7 One is produced by the human body using K1 (from veggies) and the other is produced by the bacteria in your stomach.. by digesting veggies!
@crookedletterok You only convert it to retinol if you're healthy. Vitamin mk-7 doesn't have the same effects as mk-4, and again : you only convert k1 to k2 if you're healthy. Most of us aren't. I wasn't, when I started the vegan diet. Vitamin D - only if there is sun. There hasn't been any sun in my country for the past 4 months. What's your answer to vitamin B12? And I'll add in another thing : omega 3, where do you get that from? Also : if you eat nuts for vitamin E you're not 811 anymore.
@crookedletterok At least you're the first vegan that's calm and doesn't call me names for eating meat. Thanks for that :). Vitamin K deficiency is indeed rare, I'm gonna look that up. I know for sure a lot of us need vitamin k2 though. Especially for the skin. With all the acne these days, we need such vitamins.
@crookedletterok "I know it was treated humanely" From your ignorant perspective, perhaps. Try looking at it from a higher perspective, or the calf's perspective. You selfish view is inadequate here, sir.
You cook you rotting flesh, right? What do you think about the carcinogens in cooked rotting flesh?
@crookedletterok So you are saying that really the rape, torture, and slaughter of innocent beings for fun and pleasure are really doing them a favor. So you are actually kind of an animal rights activist.
@crookedletterok This is digusting, one baby calf fed eight families, I wonder how many calfs one human would feed...... I would rather starve to death than to be hung upsidedown, have my throat slit, choke on my blood while I saw it running down my face onto the floor, and then have a bunch of unhealthy humans cook my flesh in a pan and stuff their faces with it.
@crookedletterok The ignorant part was specifically that you claimed animals who are raped, tortured and slaughtered for pleasure are treated humanely. Impressive degrees, however you do not need a college degree to have compassion for fellow Earthlings. You can have 10 degrees and still have a cruel heart, right? I know you think you are doing the animals a favor with all the rape, torture, and slaughter, but ever take the fences down, chief? Yeah, no you haven't, b/c they'd run away!
@KorionDotNet Acne is caused by meat and dairy, how do I know this? mine went away when I got on a vegan diet full of fruits an veg, no vitamins needed I get plenty :)
There are vegan solution s for Omega-3 like flax and sea veggies. But let's not forget that unlike the other nutrients we;ve discussed you can actually overdoes on omega 3!
@crookedletterok You can overdose on all nutrients, dear. Even vitamin C (you'll get loose stools). The problem with omega 3 from flax is that, again, you need to convert it to absorb it. Sea veggies are a good point, but they haven't been able to make that work on a big scale yet. The thing is : you might be able to convert vitamin k1, beta carotene, ... but if you don't, you get sick. So you can't really be vegan if you're sick to begin with. Like I was.
The "vitamin" part is misleading because it's actually a baceria. You can get it from fermenting veggies (miso) and soil bacteria (God made dirt, dirt don't hurt lol :) which we certainly ate more of before refrigeration, irradiation, or germphobia. If you are eating raw unwashed veggies (especially greens) you are no doubt getting B12. Run it under water just don't think you have to scrub it to death. It's also in sea veggies and sea WATER. So go for a swim!
there are a lot worse things in a meat diet than could happen in a vegan diet...b12 is easilly atained from many things, easiest being a supplement but there is b12 in seawead and many other plants.
Misleading information. A vegan diet is safe. It is just the person who is stupid that can not handle a vegan diet. It takes little education when it comes to diet. The only nutrients a vegan needs to worry about is vitamin D and B12. Vitamin D can be absorb by the Sun and/or fortified foods. And vitamin B12 can be absorb by fortified foods. YOU DO NOT NEED PILLS OR SHOTS!
Humans are not meant to be strict omnivores, and we are not meant to be strict carnivores either. Now, I will eat my words somewhat and say that we are closer to herbivores than carnivores,since our intestinal tract is very long as opposed to a carnivores. But, one thing, among many, that separates us from a true herbivore is the fact that our stomachs contain hydrochloric acid to help break down meat. Herbivores do not have this.
Meat should not be consumed by humans. It has been scientifically proven that a human's digestive system has a difficult time breaking down meat and other animal based foods. It does make since. If I were living during the Stone Age era. I would have never looked at an animal as "food." I would be too grossed out to even think about killing the animal, gutting it, washing it, cooking it and then eating it. Notice how complicated the step-by-step process is?
Yes, we have a more difficult time breaking meat down then say a tiger or a lion, because they are true carnivores. Remember, I said we are not true carnivores, but I also said we are not true herbivoes either. However, because our stomachs are so acidic, we can break down meat more easily than a true herbivore.
Also, we cannot break down plants as easy as a true herbivore, such as a cow, or whatever. Plants contain cellulose(fiber) which our bodies cannot break down, so it just passes right through without being absorbed by the body. Cows and other herbivores contain the necessary enzymes to help break it down. So again, we are neither herbivores, nor are we carnivores, we are OMNIVORES, a mixture of both.
Also, you mentioning the stone age era, sort of implies that humans evolved to walk upright, and make weapons, all for nothing. One last thing you should remember, is that when we started to eat meat, is when our brains started getting bigger.
@jreily88 Also when we started to eat even more meat, we started dying of heart attacks, getting high cholesteral and clogged arteries and shitting out ass worms from the parasites, we did so good for ourselves .
LMAO!!!! Are you seriously going to tell me that you believe the most flawed bit of information in the history of nutritional science? What proof do you have of this? NONE, because there is no evidence to support it. Why don't you explain to me why many studies have shown that the people who ate the most saturated fat and cholesterol actually had the lowest levels of cholesterol in their body and had the lowest risk of heart disease?
@jreily88 Two words, China study 50 years in the making, there have been no studies thus far for meat for that length of time.Everytime I have seen a documentary or whatnot on heart disease and heart attacks it always involves a meateater whose arteries are thoroughly clogged with sludge, plants don't make sludge and cholesterol appear in the arteries . We make cholesterol naturally why do we need to eat more? so we can become lab rats for pharmaceutical endeavors and harmful new drugs..
There are MANY flaws in the china study. A better study is the one by Weston Price (can't remember what it's called). But that one, he studies people all over the world and observed that those who ate the most saturated fat and cholesterol had the lowest rates of heart disease. The eskimos for example, eat nothing but meat, and have extremely low cholesterol levels. Cholesterol from your diet has no effect on your body's cholesterol production.
Okay, you mentioned the fruitarians on youtube, so then look at Sean Croxton and Elliot Hulse. They are extremely healthy, both physically and mentally, and eat a crap load of saturated fat and cholesterol. You can't always trust studies, because you have to see what the stud was done for, who did it, and who funded it.
@jreily88 Look at all the fruitarians on youtube who are exclusive plants eaters and also the shaolin monks, they are all high performance althetes. Now look at the high meat eating primal paleo consumers at Walmart... nuff said
Also, people really didn't start dying of heart disease until the 1920s when vegetable oils were introduced, and at that time heart disease tripled.. Before that, heart disease was almost non-existent. You ever wonder why more and more people are dying of heart disease, even though the consumption rate of both saturated fat and cholesterol has dropped significantly?
@jerrry400 I eat plenty of fat, pork, ribs, and have no problem with grass fed butter. I have never preformed better and been healthier, leaner, and free from illness. I also probably eat more raw veggies and juice than most vegetarians. I agree that maybe we should not go strictly by a book written over 2 thousand years ago by a primitive tribe in the middle of Palestine as a guide to eat by, but we should look at good science, facts, studies, and RESULTS.
TheVeganicWitch: good intelligent thinking. You are right about B12 needing to be supplemented in most cases. E3 live, chlorella, spiralina, sea vegies, sprouts and ferments have been shown as not realiable for most people to get enough B12. Eating some dirt for raw vegans is a possibility, but a bacterial based B12 supplement is best for most people. Best to sprout flax and chia for good levels of omega 3 and eat the weed Purslane and sea vegies for essential EPA fatty acid.
@jerrry400 actually these stupid fucks will burn in hell, cuz bible says "do not kill"... and they actually kill every day of their life ... stupid god damn religious fucks
The Genesis account of man is before Adam sinned and lost the prospect of immortality.God told him if he(and Eve) disobeyed(by eating from the tree) they would not live forever and they would eventully die.Thus all there offspring (all humans) get old and die.When they were created their bodies were perfect they didnt need meat.When they lost immortality they then needed meat.
Very few plants contain very little if any b12 at all. THE ONLY way for a vegan to get an adequate amount of b12 is to either somehow eat the bacteria that produces b12, or to take supplements. No amount of natural food, except for maybe yeast or brown rice can provide you with the amount of b12 you need if you are on a vegan diet.
Okay, fortified cereals? So a synthetic form of b12 that your body can't use, along with the high GI carbs that are in it as well, causing insulin resistance and fat storage. There is some b12 in milk, but again, it's a synthetic form just like every other nutrient in pastuerized milk, breads, again more carbs and more insulin spikes. I'll give you yeast, because that one is actually the only one you listed that contains b12 naturally. The best source of b12, by far, is eggs.
Do you have any proof to back up your claim? I believe this is the way us humans were meant to eat. B12 can be stored up within the body and last for years until there is a deficiency.
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This basically just says what I said in my last post. Now, if you are just going to be a vegetarian, meaning you still consume dairy products, then you can still get plenty of naturally occuring b12 from milk, eggs, and cheese, but as for vegans, the only reliable sources of naturally occuring b12 would be either yeast or grains, which of course would make you store fat.
Yeah, and did you happen to notice that the link was from a vegan sponsored site? If I gave you a link from a site that supports a paleolithic diet, you wouldn't believe a word it said. There is no proof that vegans live longer, because that theory is dependent on many other factors. Yes there are some vegans who are much healthier than people who also eat meat, but I have seen TONS of vegans, even in their 20s, who look extremely pale, skinny, with their hair falling out.
Those types of vegans are the ones who are uneducated about the vegan diet. Therefore, they become malnourished. A diet takes LITTLE education. Only retards can not cope with it.
The only dangers of a vegan lifestyle is a person who doesn't know how to go on one. There is no such thing as protien deficiency and 99% of people with B12 deficiency are meat eaters. :P
@99LinkinPark991 ===>"99% of people with B12 deficiency are meat eaters."
99.99% (maybe more) of people are (or were) eaters of some type of animal product. That statement you made means absolutely nothing scientifically. The only meaningful stat is if there is a greater risk for B 12 deficiency in a non supplemented vegan diet. The answer is yes. A very significant increase! That danger is even greater in the Western developed countries due to food handling and insect control procedures.
@99LinkinPark991 I disagree. I'm a doctor, hopefully to become a plant based specialist. Protein deficiency does exist, but it's very rare (like protein-s and protein-c deficiency), and kwashiorkor, which exists in third world nations and area's that are very poor and get inadequate nutrition. I've never once treated or read of a vegan or vegetarian who has protein deficiency with blood tests to prove it in any medical journal.
@99LinkinPark991 One more thing to add. B-12 deficiency is in both vegan and omnivore's diets. The population of omnivorous diets are higher, so that's why you see more B-12 deficiency in a meat eater, but they tend to have more difficulty absorbing it, but when my patients add more plant based foods, they absorb it much better. I have yet to supplement or give any of my vegan b-12 shots, but it is a known problem in both diets that with age, you have more issues with intrinsic factor.
I HAVE READ THAT, ONLY ANIMALS CONTAIN CHOLESTEROL. IN MY OPINION, IF I CAN'T PROPERLY ABSORB VITAMIN B-12, THEN, B-12 INJECTIONS FROM MY DOCTOR MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
@truth2748 Agreed. No one needs B 12 injections. You can get all the B-12 you need from a well balanced diet. Of course if you choose to not eat a well balanced diet purposely, then you need to supplement.
@truth2748 CLEARLY U DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT B-12......I HAVE READ THAT , HAHAH YOUR STOMACH PRODUCES A PROTEIN CALLED INTRENSIC FACTOR, IF THIS PROTEIN IS NOT PRESENT WHEN B-12 ENTERS THE BODY, IT CAN'T BE ABSORBED IN THE LOWER SMALL INTESTINE.......HAHAHA THERES SEVERAL REASONS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT NEED B-12 INJECTIONS......PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF B4, U ENGAGE UR TRAP HAHAHA
MY THEORY IS, IN CONTROLLING MY BLOOD SUGAR, I CAN EAT LEAN MEAT AND A SALAD. I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM CARBS. I BELIEVE THAT IS I GO ON A ANIMAL FREE DIET FOR 90 DAYS , I COULD REMOVE FATTY DEPOSTS IN MY CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM. EXCERISE IS ALSO VERY HELPFUL. I ALSO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM HIGHLY PROCESSED FOODS. EXCERISE IN MY OPINION IS KEY TO MY GOOD HEALTH., IT IS REALLY "COMMON SENSE".
. In summary, the conversion efficiency from ALA to DHA is very limited in healthy individuals; furthermore, the apparent inefficiency of the conversion from ALA to DHA is markedly variable between individuals within different sectors of the populations.
Burdge, G.C., and Calder, P.C. Conversion of a-linolenic acid to longer-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in human adults. Reprod. Nutr. Dev. 45: 581-597, 2005.
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@rosepetal108 Not many people realize how much fiber we should intake daily. The recommend amount per day is at least 30g. Humans began eatting 90% fiber diets because that's exactly what we were hungry for. We weren't blood thirtsy, and never have been. So your stating that you can eat chicken and red meat raw with no complications just like all the other animals in the wild? Seriously, you need to clean out your body so you can actually learn something. Also, babies who are fed no animal-->>>
@OctyB We have cooked meat longer than even homo sapiens was a species. So where you get off on this raw meat crap I have no idea. Did you even read my posts?"Claims for the earliest definitive evidence of control of fire by a member of Homo range from 0.2 to 1.7 million years ago" "Evidence for the controlled use of fire by Homo erectus beginning some 400,000 years ago has wide scholarly support." "Incontrovertible evidence of widespread control of fire dates to approximately 125,000 years ago"
products do grow slower because they aren't pumped full of hormones like every other baby out there. What you need to observe is the worldwide breast fed children growth charts. You will notice that all babies born on a vegan diet, NEVER suffer from diseases later on. Our growth charts have increased by 20 lbs since 1970's. I haven't even touched the tip of the ice burg yet. If you yourself, do not obtain any degrees in this area, I suggest you to not put your input in.
@OctyB ===> " You will notice that all babies born on a vegan diet, NEVER suffer from diseases later on."
Again more propaganda. In fact you probably should actually READ the peer reviewed studies I posted, because ignorance is no excuse when it comes to potential child abuse court cases. It is a legal precedence that religious views are sacred in USA but that does not apply to children when their parents religious doctrine potentially harms the child.
@rosepetal108 What about the parents who drug their children up on vaccines, stuff cheese burgers down their throat, & don't stress the importance of exercise?The sad part is, most parents who eat meat/dairy don't realize the dangers of consumption.They should be the ones who are faced with criminal charges, not the parents out there who actually care and have done their fair share amount of research to know whats right.I don't believe its their fault! It's OUR government, doctors, FDA, GRAS,etc
@OctyB ==="What about the parents who drug their children up on vaccines, stuff cheese burgers down their throat, & don't stress the importance of exercise?"
ROSEPETAL: Vegan parents are the MOST caring, in my experience.I did read your citations, but the ones u provided don't obtain the accreditation of science based, not peer based. READ THE CHINA STUDY!
You truly have no logic behind any of your posts. I have much better things to do like actually go to medical school and study the human body, while your reading the books about god knows what. If it's not science, I won't waste my time reading it.
@OctyB ===>"If it's not science, I won't waste my time reading it." LOL Yet you found all that spare time for reading Vegan Propaganda? And you believed it too?
That's very very funny and also obviously as big a lie as calling The Dean of Harvard unqualified to write a book.
I don't remember? Did you say you might be doing post graduate work? I sure hope you were not thinking about Harvard, Cambridge or University College London. LOL
@rosepetal108 "should actually READ the peer reviewed studies I posted" I think google is destroying your sense of logic. However, you have proven your copy/paste skills to be excellent.
@truth2748 "However, you have proven your copy/paste skills to be excellent."
LOL You missed the entire point. FIRST I replied in common English, but THEN people made claims I couldn't back those words with real science.
So I posted sources. (copy paste) something the Vegans on this thread seldom do.
Of course those scientific studies are far more than 500 characters and I cant post the whole studies LMAO. But the logic fail is in YOU posting that it isn't scientific.
The Journal of Nutrition Nutritional Immunology Fish Oil Supplementation Modulates Immune Function in Healthy Infants Camilla T. Damsgaard, 2 * Lotte Lauritzen, 2 Tanja M.R. Kjær, 3 Puk M. I. Holm, 2 Maj-Britt Fruekilde, 3 Kim F. Michaelsen, 2 and Hanne Frøkiær 3 2 Department of Human Nutrition, Faculty of Life Sciences, Copenhagen University, 1958 Frederiksberg, Denmark and 3 Center for Biological Sequence Analysis, BioCentrum-DTU, the Technical University of Denmark, 2800 Lyngby, Denmar
You can't possibly begin to digest the information I have about current biological anthropology and nutrition, 14 years of vivisection alone has tough me first hand how all animals digest and its consequences. Although we can and have survived on an omnivorous life style, it has dramatically reversed our potential for intellectual growth, and left stagnant any possibility of using our brain to its full potential.
Speaking of brain potential. Humans have less than a 5% efficiency of converting the short-chain n−3 fatty acids to long-chain forms like EPA and DHA, (women convert slightly better than men) which are extremely critical in brain development and function. (and a lot of other biological functions) and fruits provide extremely little short chain omega 3's and no long chain at all.
Truth is that brains increased in direct proportion to the amount of meat eaten.
@rosepetal108 Fish oil can actually be more dangerous than helpful for the body. As for Omega 3 fatty acids, plant based sources have significant amounts organically.The human body only absorbs approx 40% of the total amount of meat injested.Thus, when huamns rely on meat sources to obtain the essential omega3's, we miss out on important omega's.Through plant-based sources our body absorbs 100%. Most americans consume too much omega3 fatty acids.The only difference is the amount of carbon-
@OctyB ===> "The only difference is the amount of carbon-"
The only difference is long chain omega 3's are very poorly metabolized into long chain omega 3's that we need due to the fact that in our entire evolutionary history Humans have been omnivores and never had to rely on only veggie sources.(which are ONLY short chain)
@rosepetal108 It is a sad thing that OctyB is doing the vegan-fanatic thing. I am concerned over the statistics on omega-3 conversion to EPA and DHA, too. Nevertheless, some people are clearly healthy vegans ---check Storm Taliferro, for example. And it is ethically vital to not participate in factory-farming--hence, for those who can, I support thoughtful, supplemented veganism and other diets that protect our decency as humans, and the environment as much as possible.
@givebirthathome I actually agree with what you say. I certainly do what I can to stop animal cruelty myself. I don't even like the taste of factory farmed eggs or beef. I raise as much food as I can myself in a large organic garden. It's not perfect. I still am forced to go to the market. But it is probably less impact on the environment or animal cruelty than 99.99% of the population and healthier too.
@givebirthathome There were several fallacies in this paragraph, but I must address your misconception of Veganism-its not a diet, I believe you confused it with vegetarianism.
@rosepetal108 Too bad more vegans don't pay attention to what I heard one vegan leader say, "Veganism is about reducing animal suffering, not our own purity. If I could reduce animal suffering by driving to Wendy's and having a burger, I would". I would note that I don't think "humanely raised/organic beef" is adequate ethically--because of USDA regulations, unless you do a lot of finagling, in general, the animals must be shipped to slaughterhouses, where there seems to be a significant
@rosepetal108 likelihood of the animals enduring agonizing mistreatment. So "humanely raised" without comparable assurance about the slaughter, is ---kind of a fraud. With Buffalo and antelope, there are two operations online that offer "field kill"--the animal is shot in the field, and picked up in a refrigerated truck.
Aside from that...I think we have to be careful about science that may be good for what its worth...but not see the forest for the trees. The levels of nutrients that
@truth2748 I concur with you! I also study Nutrition and I'm in Medical School. However, unintelligent people write on youtube stating they know it all with no supporting education or scientific evidence proving that the omnivore diet is healthy. Meat eaters just don't have the brain capacity to understand the biological makeup of the human body. VEGANS ROCK! <3
@rosepetal108 Sorry u haven't provided1 highly accredited scholarly study proving that humans only benefit from omnivorous diet¬ a vegan diet.The China Study is largest epidemiology study in history.They proved that the less animal products people ate, the less osteoporosis, cancer, CVD, high cholesterol, obesity, diabetes, heart dis., mad cow, E-coli, salmonella, ETC occurred.PPL in China eat less than5%fish&meat.The large group of people who consumed no animal products,did not have diseases
@OctyB That is simply not true either. Harvard isn't accredited? The Journal of the American Medical Association is peer-reviewed, The highest % of Vegetarians in any society by far is India, not China. Which is not surprising since India is the birth place of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism which all have various forms of vegetarianism and the ahimsa doctrine Vegans borrowed. India BTW has a Life expectancy ranked 139 India 64.7 YO. Far lower than many third world countries even poorer than India.
@OctyB ===>"The large group of people who consumed no animal products,did not have diseases"
Total outright lie. The mortality rate due to ischemic heart disease was 34 percent lower among lacto-ovo vegetarians (vegetarians who eat dairy products and eggs) and pescetarians (those who eat fish but no other meat) compared to regular meat eaters, and 26 percent lower among vegans compared to regular meat eaters. That study proves that lowering meat is good but totally abstaining is bad.
I tried both diets. I was just too unhealthy. It was a terrible choice. Since keeping to a moderated meet diet I'm much happier and healthier.
cloverstar77 8 hours ago
Oh well, I'm a omnivore. I'm healthy and have a good diet of both. My BMI is good. My meat comes from local farms. I do suffer from defficencies. I cannot tollerate some products. I'm sorry I am lactose intolerent so soy is an option but I cannot stomach it. Stuff is gross! So i use lactose free milk.
Oh well, I'm a meat eater. Go fix world hunger before you bother me. :)
cloverstar77 8 hours ago
Someone should make a video for her on the dangers of being stupid.
Collinmrandomnumbers 1 week ago
If you're vegan and are having health problems, you either:
1. Have "chronic" health conditions- you were born with diabetes, etc.
2. Have been eating either too much "vegan" junk food or not eating enough fruit or vegetables
3. Are not taking vitamins or supplements if you need them
4. Are looking for an excuse to go to McDonald's again.
SERIOUSLY, GUYS. I'm no nutritionist but it's becoming common knowledge among vegans that properly being vegan IS healthy. :)
UmbreonAndEspeon1 1 week ago
@UmbreonAndEspeon1 Same argument can be said of an omnivore diet as well.
MrGcm1984 4 days ago
There are no dangers, unless you don't research what it takes, to be vegan.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
lets make a video about the dangers of consuming meat. Oh yeah theres about a million of those
lionking4iscomingIV 2 weeks ago 2
being vegan is a detriment to a large posterior. ....... 1 cup of Silk Soy milk has 50% of your DV of B12. I wouldn't worry about it.
wtrinaldi1 3 weeks ago
let's wake up here & come together !!! The kingdom of heaven is not gonna be vegans on 1 side & meat eaters on the other ! Wake up WAKE UP WAKE UP !!!! SATAN IS WORKING OVERTIME , DON'T LET HIM WIN !!! the 2nd commandment love your neighbor as you love yourself !!! Bless u all & i hope this brought some clarity !
Chuck821000 1 month ago
loving god take my family memeber ! he's an all loving god with fruits & veggies but a wicked god when death comes in ??? Godforbid ! We need to wake up !!! he's the same God of all loving ! not condeming for meat eating or not !!! this topic is just another deception that is causing widespread divison @it's highest level & it's madness that needs to stop !!! Our ways are not of his ways , nor our thoughts of his thoughts , obviously he was on to something when he approved meats for eating !
Chuck821000 1 month ago
loved one the same thing ! Am i right or wrong ??? let's not say we believe in the Most high be vegans and then condem all others ! We act like the Most high approved the vegan way & Satan approved the meat way ! it's nonsense ! But we'll uphold the vegan way which we caloim is the Most highs way & condem meat eaters call them devil followers but then when we lose a family memeber we still believe in the Most High , ask the same questio then as the animal perishing , say hey why would an all
Chuck821000 1 month ago
says ! & he's also said our thoughts are not of his thoughts nor our ways of his ways !!! so when we try and figure things out like why do animals have to be eaten remember our thoughts are not of his , nor our ways of his ! Also many will not eat meat then say they believe in the Most high and follow the diet of Genesis chapter 1 but then will critcize the Most High for meat eating but when your gonna say why do animals have to perish what God will do that ? u should also say then when u lose a
Chuck821000 1 month ago
and all loving god wouldn't harm us , many will counter with well that's how u know their ain't a God , why would a loving god approve animal sacrafices for . hpwever many vegans will say well we need to eat what God intended for us to eat which is veggies , fruits , nuts plants etc... , but isn't he the same god that approved plants , fruits , veggies , seeds etc... that approved meat as well ??? or am i missing something here ??? If were gonna quote the Most High we must quote all that he
Chuck821000 1 month ago
I support vegans all the way , i commend everyone that eats this way it's amazing that they do so . However i am a man who whole heartedly believes in the scriptures , & yes in Genesis chapter 1: 29-31 does promote the vegan diet , however when u go to Genesis 9: 1-3 After the flood when the Most high came in he gave all meats to us to eat . Now i'm not condeming vegans nor meat eaters @all But the Most High wouldn't approve meat for us if it were dangerous to consume , he's an all loving God
Chuck821000 1 month ago
Great video. I was a vegan for 8 years. I became a vegan at age 16 after reading Animal Liberation by Peter Singer. Despite a "varied" vegan diet (beans, tofu, nuts, grains, tempeh, lots of organic veggies and fruit), after 8 years, I was severely malnourished, skinny, and depressed. I began eating meat and eggs again, and my health and mental clarity improved dramatically! The vegan diet is simply not for everyone.
gmx1100 1 month ago
Ignorance. Don't speak if you don't know what are you talking about, please.
Corilo91 1 month ago
8:00 I think the word you're looking for is paradoxal.
Trollnumber12 1 month ago
The Bible is pro veganism, but it is advisable to supplement B12 because we are a copy of a copy of a copy ect and we are not as strong as we were in the past, in addition the environment are so polluted that we have lost a lot of the nutrition of plants and gained more toxins, so it is good to be a smart vegan too. :) I prefer low fat the McDougall way.. and slowly moving towards more and more Raw. :)
Mekelsior 1 month ago
B12 = algae and the rest from hempseeds + oats + beens and different fruits. Im much stronger and more healthy since i started eating like that.
Btw i wanna eat what covers your pectoralis major...
chaotisms 2 months ago
B12 is not in meat and dairy because it's natural, but because of the organism. Those organisms grow on the better soil. Some say that those organism are also te be found on organic fruit and vegetables and therefore provide b12 (only when you don't wash them).
liqvidering 2 months ago
b12 can come from sea veggies.
13Ooakspiritartist 2 months ago 3
Honestly, there isn't anyone more butt ugly then a p.e.t.a. bitch vegan liar lunatic. All so fucking ugly and hideous. If your cute girl who wants be as hideous as ellen degenerate in under 15-20 yrs then by all means get on vegan diet. Fucking mentally ill p.e.t.a. vegan liar bitches make me sick flooding you tube lie lie lie lie hoping to deceive other females from 12-40 who too stupid too kinow lies when hear them and fall prey to p.e.t.a. lies. Get fuck off you tube you crazy bitch lieers
somewhereatsea1 2 months ago
@somewhereatsea1 Chill out buddy.
brianv00 2 months ago
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ELseizure 2 months ago
I'm a biochemist and nutritionist and I am interested in providing some advice to vegans out there.
Missing Nutrients in a common vegan diet: DHA (fatty acids), B12, Vitamin D3
Vegan sources of these nutrients: Algal DHA oil supplement, Bacterial B12 supplements, vitamin D3 from the sun instead of animal products.
All other things are plentiful enough in a well planned vegan diet. :)
guitarobsessed85 3 months ago 22
@guitarobsessed85
tell me ur opinion of this channel
THE FRUITARIAN
AnatomicalALIGNMENT 3 months ago
@AnatomicalALIGNMENT Can't say I have formulated an opinion of this channel since I have only watched one video so far.
guitarobsessed85 3 months ago
@guitarobsessed85
check out this channel
DURIAN RIDERS
AnatomicalALIGNMENT 3 months ago
@guitarobsessed85 There's evidence that EPA & DHA are produced in the body, as long as the omega 3 to 6 ratio is appropriate (achieved on a low fat diet avoiding oils)
brianv00 2 months ago
@brianv00 Evidence? It is known that EPA is produced in the body from alpha-linolenic acid, but it is not produced in sufficient amounts for optimal growth and maintenance and studies have shown that DHA levels do not raise with ALA supplementation. DHA is a necessary supplement.
guitarobsessed85 2 months ago
@guitarobsessed85 Look at Welch AA et al. 2010
brianv00 2 months ago
@guitarobsessed85 Look at the anti vegan gurus like the zone diet Barry Spears and they sell D3, DHA, b12 etc lol!!
'dont eat vegan cos you wont get enough b12, dha so eat LOTS of meat and take b12, d3, dha etc..'
LMFAO!
durianrider 2 months ago 8
@durianrider look at the regular folk who don't give a hoot, except they consume to perform well in life, as appropriate for them, they eat fundamental foods, which includes plenty of fundamental cooked food, and are in good/great health. It's a matter of moderation and balance. That keeps us well. Balance. In-tune-ness. The diet you espouse is very unhuman. We are tool and fire - makers and users, as a species, and those two factors have been fundamental in our evolutional development.
ToolsnFire 1 month ago
@guitarobsessed85 DHA is not that big of an issue if you limit the intake of fat in general, so a low fat vegan would need less fatty acids such as O3 than a person that has a higher O6 intake. Perhaps you know more of this, just stating what McDougall and Dr Graham are talking about in their programs.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior DHA is a huge issue. It's a large component of your brain tissue and facilitates transmission between neurons.
guitarobsessed85 1 month ago
@guitarobsessed85 Fatty acids are present in legumes, soya and nuts.
B12 sometimes is not enough in a vegan diet and can be assumed through bacterial supplement (lievit)
harparkrat1 1 month ago
@harparkrat1 I'm not a lay person. I know that fatty acids are found in nuts, soy, etc. DHA is a specific necessary fatty acid which is not found in any non-animal source except for Algae. Humans lost the ability to convert ALA to DHA and EPA efficiently because DHA and EPA used to be very high in our diet. Ruminants can do it efficiently and fish bio-accumulate DHA and EPA through eating algae.
guitarobsessed85 4 weeks ago
@harparkrat1 Did you read what I wrote? I told where vegan sources of these necessary nutrients could be found.
guitarobsessed85 4 weeks ago
@guitarobsessed85 I am a doctor too and I was vegan for many years without any problem and any integration. Anyway I agree that sometimes in some individuals can be necessary to take integrators B12 and DHA. Generally is enough a good diet.
harparkrat1 4 weeks ago
holy rusted metal batman! what a blatant liar and mentally ill sick psycho!!! first - the "im vegan and just fine " no y9u arent you crazy bitch! your brain doesnt function properly you look like your an hiv patient and cant believe you actually lie bout bible of all things lol bible is anti vegan and plainly in dozens of passages command sus including genesis to dominate animal lifde kill them and eat them and same god who till minute of crucufiction only way salvation was kill animals!!! liar!
dudeluvsbettas 3 months ago
#2 and what kind of psycho liar tries lie bout bible? and "gave green to all life " blah bloah blah was not a " eat only plants" and was " all living things so what humans tigers cougars wolves all meat eaters are commanded in bible to eat greens? what a liar crazy manipulative cunt! we had to kill animals as opnly wat to salvation and heaven till minute of crucifiction! i cant stand these liars and psychos bible orders us throughout it to kill animals and eat them! what liar cunt!
dudeluvsbettas 3 months ago
vegan diet is super unhealthy its healthier to smoke to crack! yuo CANNOT EVEN BE VEGAN WITHOUT DYING AND HAVING FATAL HEALTH PROBLEMS WITHOUT DAILY SUPPLEMENTS VITAMINS MINERALS CREATININE ETC ETC ETC WHAT FUCK THAT TELL YOU? cant even do it and live less you take fistfulls of supplements and pills! why do you think they shrivel up!
dudeluvsbettas 3 months ago
"I haven't found any articles".......... How many hours a day have you searched for and researched your information? 8 hours, 9 hours, 10 hours??? Thats what doctors do they study and work 12+ hours a day. Everyone should watch this movie "Forks Over Knives": /watch?v=R5Rc2WFm4-A&feature=related
ShaolinCenter 3 months ago
There are no dangers in a vegan diet. You really need to do your research.
oreosandsoymilk 4 months ago
@jerrry400 That's called being seriously fat kiddo, not being a non-veg.
Housebooi 4 months ago
there are plenty of vegans who live mainly on fruit, apparently some researchers say you need less than 5% protein calories. there is no such case a person on a low calcium diet having a calcium deficiency (o.O).... researches change all the time, and i got on when when i was fruitatrian. have been doin veg since i was 10-16 started eating animal products for about a year, but im back :P
kenyagal101 4 months ago
@terrillcase1 Perhaps you have, but they're often biased towards animal foods and may even have been, at some point, sponsored by animal food producers. Much of the common nutritional information that goes around comes from producers of food and is, naturally, biased in favor of those products. There are HUGE vested commercial interests behind the promotion of meat and milk and, yeah, it can be *hard* to get at the truth. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and vegans are relatively healthy
elisabethle 4 months ago
@jerrry400 This is just SO irrelevant to the real issues! And the text she mentions in a decent translation reads: 'I have given to you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth and every tree on which there is the fruit of a tree bearing seed'. So, whole plant kingdom and people in 'Old testament' times lived mostly on what we would today recognise as a vegan diet, supplemented by a little meat etc on special occasions.
elisabethle 4 months ago
@jerrry400 Though I agree that God is a bad copout, do I really need an excuse for liking meat? Can't I just have all of the above on my plate for dinner because I think it tastes good?
TheAtheologian 4 months ago
@terrillcase1 the same people might tell you to put your cat on a vegan diet. if people can't digest meat, then how can a cat digest grains and vegetables?
kuwaizair 4 months ago
@terrillcase1 that's how my brother is. he keeps telling me that the pig gladly gave his life just so he could get eaten. it doesn't really bother me though, i cant make him not eat meat, just like no one can make me eat it lol
Livia116 4 months ago
@terrillcase1
LOL "the China study"
DiversePersona 4 months ago
This video should have been called "The Dangers of a Shitty Webcam"
TheRealNickGaga 4 months ago
Hellooooo....the articles you have read are probably written by pro-meat industries looking to circumvent the dangers of losing business through the international explosion of veganism. I have been vegan for 17 years and feel great. Do not miss meat, do not need it and do not want it. A handful of unsalted cashews is equivalent to a beef steak for protein.
memsahib1 4 months ago
Articles only say that being vegan is dangerous so people will keep eating meat. No meat would be sold if everyone was vegan which means the manufacturors would be out of a job lol
Livia116 4 months ago
I would like to say that I am open-minded as well. I tried being vegan for a month. I took a multi-vitamin with 100% B-12 and 100% iron and ate foods fortified with these supplements and fortified with calcium and Vitamin D. I ate beans, salads, fruit, veggies, whole grains, seeds, avacados etc. 2 weeks in I was getting ill. I had odd headaches, I had extreme fatigue and a constant sore throat. Once I started adding meat back in I felt so much better; however, I do feel better without dairy.
AprilJolly1 5 months ago
@AprilJolly1
The problem with vegans (esp. new vegans) is that they have NO IDEA how to cook and eat once they give up the meat. Society seems to define a meal as a meat possibly paired with insignificant veggie sides. Because most have NO IDEA how to prepare veggie meals more interesting than simple boring salads they eat more processed foods and supplements that may be technically vegan but riddled with "refined" and "fortified" EVERYTHING! What's more unnatural than that?
crookedletterok 4 months ago
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haridham 5 months ago
@jerrry400 No dangers in a vegan diet? What about B12 deficiency, vitamin D deficiency, deficiency of vitamin A in the form of retinol, vitamin E, vitamin K2, ... ??? I got real sick on a vegan diet! Gave me autoimmune problems.
People think all the vitamins and minerals in fruit and vegetables are absorbed, which is totally not true!
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet Those sound easily curable. It takes a bit of research and keeping track. The core of the problem is in the person. A lazy person may turn into a lazy vegan. It's all in attitude. I am an example of this: I don't keep track, and I have always been lazy. Because of this laziness, I often eat the same, unvaried thing for weeks straight. Fortunately, I have been a lazy vegan for three years, but I'm still doing fine. I could do better.
XpoldingToast 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet
Vitamin A - beta carotene... which the body converts to retinol in the small intestine.
Vitamin D - the sun.
Vitamin E - is in all sorts of plant oils and veggies... I don't get why you listed it?
Vitamin K2 - has two subtypes MK4 and MK7 One is produced by the human body using K1 (from veggies) and the other is produced by the bacteria in your stomach.. by digesting veggies!
crookedletterok 4 months ago
@crookedletterok You only convert it to retinol if you're healthy. Vitamin mk-7 doesn't have the same effects as mk-4, and again : you only convert k1 to k2 if you're healthy. Most of us aren't. I wasn't, when I started the vegan diet. Vitamin D - only if there is sun. There hasn't been any sun in my country for the past 4 months. What's your answer to vitamin B12? And I'll add in another thing : omega 3, where do you get that from? Also : if you eat nuts for vitamin E you're not 811 anymore.
KorionDotNet 4 months ago
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crookedletterok 4 months ago
@crookedletterok At least you're the first vegan that's calm and doesn't call me names for eating meat. Thanks for that :). Vitamin K deficiency is indeed rare, I'm gonna look that up. I know for sure a lot of us need vitamin k2 though. Especially for the skin. With all the acne these days, we need such vitamins.
KorionDotNet 4 months ago
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crookedletterok 4 months ago
@crookedletterok "I know it was treated humanely" From your ignorant perspective, perhaps. Try looking at it from a higher perspective, or the calf's perspective. You selfish view is inadequate here, sir.
You cook you rotting flesh, right? What do you think about the carcinogens in cooked rotting flesh?
"Killer steaks" Yup, you said a mouthful. Killer!
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
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crookedletterok 3 months ago
@crookedletterok So you are saying that really the rape, torture, and slaughter of innocent beings for fun and pleasure are really doing them a favor. So you are actually kind of an animal rights activist.
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
@crookedletterok This is digusting, one baby calf fed eight families, I wonder how many calfs one human would feed...... I would rather starve to death than to be hung upsidedown, have my throat slit, choke on my blood while I saw it running down my face onto the floor, and then have a bunch of unhealthy humans cook my flesh in a pan and stuff their faces with it.
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
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crookedletterok 3 months ago
@crookedletterok The ignorant part was specifically that you claimed animals who are raped, tortured and slaughtered for pleasure are treated humanely. Impressive degrees, however you do not need a college degree to have compassion for fellow Earthlings. You can have 10 degrees and still have a cruel heart, right? I know you think you are doing the animals a favor with all the rape, torture, and slaughter, but ever take the fences down, chief? Yeah, no you haven't, b/c they'd run away!
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
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crookedletterok 3 months ago
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crookedletterok 4 months ago
@KorionDotNet Acne is caused by meat and dairy, how do I know this? mine went away when I got on a vegan diet full of fruits an veg, no vitamins needed I get plenty :)
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
@ZachandBailey1111
Okay, maybe for YOU the cause was meat and dairy, but we're not robots so everyone is different.
jreily88 3 months ago
@KorionDotNet
There are vegan solution s for Omega-3 like flax and sea veggies. But let's not forget that unlike the other nutrients we;ve discussed you can actually overdoes on omega 3!
crookedletterok 4 months ago
@crookedletterok You can overdose on all nutrients, dear. Even vitamin C (you'll get loose stools). The problem with omega 3 from flax is that, again, you need to convert it to absorb it. Sea veggies are a good point, but they haven't been able to make that work on a big scale yet. The thing is : you might be able to convert vitamin k1, beta carotene, ... but if you don't, you get sick. So you can't really be vegan if you're sick to begin with. Like I was.
811 = 80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protein.
KorionDotNet 4 months ago
@KorionDotNet
Sorry... I'm not sre what you mean by 811?
crookedletterok 4 months ago
Opps.. I forgot to address B12!
The "vitamin" part is misleading because it's actually a baceria. You can get it from fermenting veggies (miso) and soil bacteria (God made dirt, dirt don't hurt lol :) which we certainly ate more of before refrigeration, irradiation, or germphobia. If you are eating raw unwashed veggies (especially greens) you are no doubt getting B12. Run it under water just don't think you have to scrub it to death. It's also in sea veggies and sea WATER. So go for a swim!
crookedletterok 4 months ago
Also please dont pull stuff out of the bible, its just a book of fables by stone age herders that they pulled out of there asses.
naturalistmind 5 months ago
there are a lot worse things in a meat diet than could happen in a vegan diet...b12 is easilly atained from many things, easiest being a supplement but there is b12 in seawead and many other plants.
naturalistmind 5 months ago
Misleading information. A vegan diet is safe. It is just the person who is stupid that can not handle a vegan diet. It takes little education when it comes to diet. The only nutrients a vegan needs to worry about is vitamin D and B12. Vitamin D can be absorb by the Sun and/or fortified foods. And vitamin B12 can be absorb by fortified foods. YOU DO NOT NEED PILLS OR SHOTS!
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@DiversePersona
Humans are not meant to be strict omnivores, and we are not meant to be strict carnivores either. Now, I will eat my words somewhat and say that we are closer to herbivores than carnivores,since our intestinal tract is very long as opposed to a carnivores. But, one thing, among many, that separates us from a true herbivore is the fact that our stomachs contain hydrochloric acid to help break down meat. Herbivores do not have this.
jreily88 5 months ago
@jreily88
Meat should not be consumed by humans. It has been scientifically proven that a human's digestive system has a difficult time breaking down meat and other animal based foods. It does make since. If I were living during the Stone Age era. I would have never looked at an animal as "food." I would be too grossed out to even think about killing the animal, gutting it, washing it, cooking it and then eating it. Notice how complicated the step-by-step process is?
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@DiversePersona
Yes, we have a more difficult time breaking meat down then say a tiger or a lion, because they are true carnivores. Remember, I said we are not true carnivores, but I also said we are not true herbivoes either. However, because our stomachs are so acidic, we can break down meat more easily than a true herbivore.
jreily88 5 months ago
@DiversePersona
Also, we cannot break down plants as easy as a true herbivore, such as a cow, or whatever. Plants contain cellulose(fiber) which our bodies cannot break down, so it just passes right through without being absorbed by the body. Cows and other herbivores contain the necessary enzymes to help break it down. So again, we are neither herbivores, nor are we carnivores, we are OMNIVORES, a mixture of both.
jreily88 5 months ago 2
@DiversePersona
Also, you mentioning the stone age era, sort of implies that humans evolved to walk upright, and make weapons, all for nothing. One last thing you should remember, is that when we started to eat meat, is when our brains started getting bigger.
jreily88 5 months ago 3
@jreily88
* Comma
* Sense
Not at all. All a vegan has to do is eat lots of foods just like anyone on a different diet. Omega-3, Omega-6 and B vitamins. JUST EAT BIG!
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@jreily88 Bigger Brains do NOT equate bigger intellects. If that were the case, elephants might be colonizing Mars by now.
rmalta69 4 months ago
@rmalta69
That is true, but elephant's are some of the smartest creatures out there.
jreily88 4 months ago
@jreily88 Sure, same with dolphins. Most (if not all) animals are "smarter" in their own regards.
rmalta69 4 months ago
@jreily88 Also when we started to eat even more meat, we started dying of heart attacks, getting high cholesteral and clogged arteries and shitting out ass worms from the parasites, we did so good for ourselves .
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
@ZachandBailey1111
LMAO!!!! Are you seriously going to tell me that you believe the most flawed bit of information in the history of nutritional science? What proof do you have of this? NONE, because there is no evidence to support it. Why don't you explain to me why many studies have shown that the people who ate the most saturated fat and cholesterol actually had the lowest levels of cholesterol in their body and had the lowest risk of heart disease?
jreily88 3 months ago
@jreily88 Two words, China study 50 years in the making, there have been no studies thus far for meat for that length of time.Everytime I have seen a documentary or whatnot on heart disease and heart attacks it always involves a meateater whose arteries are thoroughly clogged with sludge, plants don't make sludge and cholesterol appear in the arteries . We make cholesterol naturally why do we need to eat more? so we can become lab rats for pharmaceutical endeavors and harmful new drugs..
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
@ZachandBailey1111
There are MANY flaws in the china study. A better study is the one by Weston Price (can't remember what it's called). But that one, he studies people all over the world and observed that those who ate the most saturated fat and cholesterol had the lowest rates of heart disease. The eskimos for example, eat nothing but meat, and have extremely low cholesterol levels. Cholesterol from your diet has no effect on your body's cholesterol production.
jreily88 3 months ago
Okay, you mentioned the fruitarians on youtube, so then look at Sean Croxton and Elliot Hulse. They are extremely healthy, both physically and mentally, and eat a crap load of saturated fat and cholesterol. You can't always trust studies, because you have to see what the stud was done for, who did it, and who funded it.
jreily88 3 months ago
@jreily88 Yes veganism/Vegetarianism rules. Is meat eating bad karma? /watch?v=ytEz2GQOVNk
haridham 3 months ago
@jreily88 Look at all the fruitarians on youtube who are exclusive plants eaters and also the shaolin monks, they are all high performance althetes. Now look at the high meat eating primal paleo consumers at Walmart... nuff said
ZachandBailey1111 3 months ago
@ZachandBailey1111
There is a huge difference between the crap meat that you buy at the grocery store, and free range grass fed meat.
jreily88 3 months ago
@ZachandBailey1111
Also, people really didn't start dying of heart disease until the 1920s when vegetable oils were introduced, and at that time heart disease tripled.. Before that, heart disease was almost non-existent. You ever wonder why more and more people are dying of heart disease, even though the consumption rate of both saturated fat and cholesterol has dropped significantly?
jreily88 3 months ago
@DiversePersona
Sorry, that should say "humans are not meant to be strict herbivores."
jreily88 5 months ago
@jerrry400
Yeah, you should go back to school and take typing class 101 again.
DiversePersona 5 months ago
O_o......yeahh....vegans are far less likely to die from heart disease.......the #2 killer in the world.....your move omnivores..
DPCProductions 5 months ago
@jerrry400 I eat plenty of fat, pork, ribs, and have no problem with grass fed butter. I have never preformed better and been healthier, leaner, and free from illness. I also probably eat more raw veggies and juice than most vegetarians. I agree that maybe we should not go strictly by a book written over 2 thousand years ago by a primitive tribe in the middle of Palestine as a guide to eat by, but we should look at good science, facts, studies, and RESULTS.
sclaysdharma 5 months ago
eat meat eat veggies wheat grain sugars fruits and you'll be fine.
dylan111291 5 months ago
TheVeganicWitch: good intelligent thinking. You are right about B12 needing to be supplemented in most cases. E3 live, chlorella, spiralina, sea vegies, sprouts and ferments have been shown as not realiable for most people to get enough B12. Eating some dirt for raw vegans is a possibility, but a bacterial based B12 supplement is best for most people. Best to sprout flax and chia for good levels of omega 3 and eat the weed Purslane and sea vegies for essential EPA fatty acid.
TheSproutarian 5 months ago
@TheSproutarian
Listen, bitch. B12 = fortified foods. omega-3 = flax seeds, walnuts and canola oil. NIGGGA!
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@jerrry400 actually these stupid fucks will burn in hell, cuz bible says "do not kill"... and they actually kill every day of their life ... stupid god damn religious fucks
b0n3z0r 5 months ago
The Genesis account of man is before Adam sinned and lost the prospect of immortality.God told him if he(and Eve) disobeyed(by eating from the tree) they would not live forever and they would eventully die.Thus all there offspring (all humans) get old and die.When they were created their bodies were perfect they didnt need meat.When they lost immortality they then needed meat.
TheCHEVYNATOR 6 months ago
Very few plants contain very little if any b12 at all. THE ONLY way for a vegan to get an adequate amount of b12 is to either somehow eat the bacteria that produces b12, or to take supplements. No amount of natural food, except for maybe yeast or brown rice can provide you with the amount of b12 you need if you are on a vegan diet.
jreily88 6 months ago
@jreily88
You are an idiot. There are foods rich in B12. Fortified cereals, milks, breads, nutritional yeast, etc.
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@DiversePersona
Okay, fortified cereals? So a synthetic form of b12 that your body can't use, along with the high GI carbs that are in it as well, causing insulin resistance and fat storage. There is some b12 in milk, but again, it's a synthetic form just like every other nutrient in pastuerized milk, breads, again more carbs and more insulin spikes. I'll give you yeast, because that one is actually the only one you listed that contains b12 naturally. The best source of b12, by far, is eggs.
jreily88 5 months ago
@jreily88
Do you have any proof to back up your claim? I believe this is the way us humans were meant to eat. B12 can be stored up within the body and last for years until there is a deficiency.
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@DiversePersona
w w w(dot)beyondveg(dot)com/walsh-s/vitamin-b12/vegans-1(dot)shtml
This basically just says what I said in my last post. Now, if you are just going to be a vegetarian, meaning you still consume dairy products, then you can still get plenty of naturally occuring b12 from milk, eggs, and cheese, but as for vegans, the only reliable sources of naturally occuring b12 would be either yeast or grains, which of course would make you store fat.
jreily88 5 months ago
@jreily88
Thanks for the link. Vegans live longer than other dieters, so the storing fat remark was unnecessary.
DiversePersona 5 months ago
@DiversePersona
Yeah, and did you happen to notice that the link was from a vegan sponsored site? If I gave you a link from a site that supports a paleolithic diet, you wouldn't believe a word it said. There is no proof that vegans live longer, because that theory is dependent on many other factors. Yes there are some vegans who are much healthier than people who also eat meat, but I have seen TONS of vegans, even in their 20s, who look extremely pale, skinny, with their hair falling out.
jreily88 5 months ago
@jreily88
Those types of vegans are the ones who are uneducated about the vegan diet. Therefore, they become malnourished. A diet takes LITTLE education. Only retards can not cope with it.
DiversePersona 5 months ago
The only dangers of a vegan lifestyle is a person who doesn't know how to go on one. There is no such thing as protien deficiency and 99% of people with B12 deficiency are meat eaters. :P
99LinkinPark991 6 months ago
@99LinkinPark991 ===>"99% of people with B12 deficiency are meat eaters."
99.99% (maybe more) of people are (or were) eaters of some type of animal product. That statement you made means absolutely nothing scientifically. The only meaningful stat is if there is a greater risk for B 12 deficiency in a non supplemented vegan diet. The answer is yes. A very significant increase! That danger is even greater in the Western developed countries due to food handling and insect control procedures.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@99LinkinPark991 I disagree. I'm a doctor, hopefully to become a plant based specialist. Protein deficiency does exist, but it's very rare (like protein-s and protein-c deficiency), and kwashiorkor, which exists in third world nations and area's that are very poor and get inadequate nutrition. I've never once treated or read of a vegan or vegetarian who has protein deficiency with blood tests to prove it in any medical journal.
TreasonistCherryPie 6 months ago
@99LinkinPark991 One more thing to add. B-12 deficiency is in both vegan and omnivore's diets. The population of omnivorous diets are higher, so that's why you see more B-12 deficiency in a meat eater, but they tend to have more difficulty absorbing it, but when my patients add more plant based foods, they absorb it much better. I have yet to supplement or give any of my vegan b-12 shots, but it is a known problem in both diets that with age, you have more issues with intrinsic factor.
TreasonistCherryPie 6 months ago
If your MD gives you a B12 shot, its a placebo. Ask him or her.
wickedtothemisty 6 months ago
The dangers of a vegan diet: getting hit by a car.
Jordonification 6 months ago
Thumbs up if you're eating meat while watching this.
MrObliviousegg 6 months ago
I HAVE READ THAT, ONLY ANIMALS CONTAIN CHOLESTEROL. IN MY OPINION, IF I CAN'T PROPERLY ABSORB VITAMIN B-12, THEN, B-12 INJECTIONS FROM MY DOCTOR MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
tomcat624u 6 months ago
@tomcat624u Don't waste your time, you don't need B-12 injections.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 Agreed. No one needs B 12 injections. You can get all the B-12 you need from a well balanced diet. Of course if you choose to not eat a well balanced diet purposely, then you need to supplement.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@truth2748 CLEARLY U DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT B-12......I HAVE READ THAT , HAHAH YOUR STOMACH PRODUCES A PROTEIN CALLED INTRENSIC FACTOR, IF THIS PROTEIN IS NOT PRESENT WHEN B-12 ENTERS THE BODY, IT CAN'T BE ABSORBED IN THE LOWER SMALL INTESTINE.......HAHAHA THERES SEVERAL REASONS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT NEED B-12 INJECTIONS......PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF B4, U ENGAGE UR TRAP HAHAHA
tomcat624u 6 months ago
@truth2748 Okay, and since you typed your entire response in capital letters, you must be right. There is no refuting capitals.
truth2748 6 months ago
MY THEORY IS, IN CONTROLLING MY BLOOD SUGAR, I CAN EAT LEAN MEAT AND A SALAD. I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM CARBS. I BELIEVE THAT IS I GO ON A ANIMAL FREE DIET FOR 90 DAYS , I COULD REMOVE FATTY DEPOSTS IN MY CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM. EXCERISE IS ALSO VERY HELPFUL. I ALSO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM HIGHLY PROCESSED FOODS. EXCERISE IN MY OPINION IS KEY TO MY GOOD HEALTH., IT IS REALLY "COMMON SENSE".
tomcat624u 6 months ago
. In summary, the conversion efficiency from ALA to DHA is very limited in healthy individuals; furthermore, the apparent inefficiency of the conversion from ALA to DHA is markedly variable between individuals within different sectors of the populations.
Burdge, G.C., and Calder, P.C. Conversion of a-linolenic acid to longer-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in human adults. Reprod. Nutr. Dev. 45: 581-597, 2005.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
Dietary Fiber Intake and Risk of Colorectal Cancer
A Pooled Analysis of Prospective Cohort Studies
Yikyung Park, ScD; David J. Hunter, MB, BS; Donna Spiegelman, ScD; Leif Bergkvist, MD; Franco Berrino, MD; Piet A. van den Brandt, PhD; Julie E. Buring, ScD; Graham A. Colditz, MD; Jo L. Freudenheim, PhD; Charles S. Fuchs, MD; Edward Giovannucci, MD; R. Alexandra Goldbohm, PhD; Saxon Graham, PhD; Lisa Harnack, DrPH; Anne M. Hartman, MS; David R. Jacobs, Jr, PhD; Ikuko Kato, MD; ETC..........
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Not many people realize how much fiber we should intake daily. The recommend amount per day is at least 30g. Humans began eatting 90% fiber diets because that's exactly what we were hungry for. We weren't blood thirtsy, and never have been. So your stating that you can eat chicken and red meat raw with no complications just like all the other animals in the wild? Seriously, you need to clean out your body so you can actually learn something. Also, babies who are fed no animal-->>>
OctyB 6 months ago
@OctyB We have cooked meat longer than even homo sapiens was a species. So where you get off on this raw meat crap I have no idea. Did you even read my posts?"Claims for the earliest definitive evidence of control of fire by a member of Homo range from 0.2 to 1.7 million years ago" "Evidence for the controlled use of fire by Homo erectus beginning some 400,000 years ago has wide scholarly support." "Incontrovertible evidence of widespread control of fire dates to approximately 125,000 years ago"
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Fire to keep us warm. You are 100% wrong.
OctyB 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 This proves that they liked to stay warm. Amusing she is.
truth2748 6 months ago
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rosepetal108 6 months ago
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@truth2748 Stay warm? Yes.Ward off predators? Yes. And cook food too.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
products do grow slower because they aren't pumped full of hormones like every other baby out there. What you need to observe is the worldwide breast fed children growth charts. You will notice that all babies born on a vegan diet, NEVER suffer from diseases later on. Our growth charts have increased by 20 lbs since 1970's. I haven't even touched the tip of the ice burg yet. If you yourself, do not obtain any degrees in this area, I suggest you to not put your input in.
OctyB 6 months ago
@OctyB ===> " You will notice that all babies born on a vegan diet, NEVER suffer from diseases later on."
Again more propaganda. In fact you probably should actually READ the peer reviewed studies I posted, because ignorance is no excuse when it comes to potential child abuse court cases. It is a legal precedence that religious views are sacred in USA but that does not apply to children when their parents religious doctrine potentially harms the child.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 What about the parents who drug their children up on vaccines, stuff cheese burgers down their throat, & don't stress the importance of exercise?The sad part is, most parents who eat meat/dairy don't realize the dangers of consumption.They should be the ones who are faced with criminal charges, not the parents out there who actually care and have done their fair share amount of research to know whats right.I don't believe its their fault! It's OUR government, doctors, FDA, GRAS,etc
OctyB 6 months ago
@OctyB ==="What about the parents who drug their children up on vaccines, stuff cheese burgers down their throat, & don't stress the importance of exercise?"
Oh I agree there 100% It is a travesty.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
ROSEPETAL: Vegan parents are the MOST caring, in my experience.I did read your citations, but the ones u provided don't obtain the accreditation of science based, not peer based. READ THE CHINA STUDY!
OctyB 6 months ago
You truly have no logic behind any of your posts. I have much better things to do like actually go to medical school and study the human body, while your reading the books about god knows what. If it's not science, I won't waste my time reading it.
OctyB 6 months ago
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rosepetal108 6 months ago
@OctyB ===>"If it's not science, I won't waste my time reading it." LOL Yet you found all that spare time for reading Vegan Propaganda? And you believed it too?
That's very very funny and also obviously as big a lie as calling The Dean of Harvard unqualified to write a book.
I don't remember? Did you say you might be doing post graduate work? I sure hope you were not thinking about Harvard, Cambridge or University College London. LOL
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 "should actually READ the peer reviewed studies I posted" I think google is destroying your sense of logic. However, you have proven your copy/paste skills to be excellent.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 "However, you have proven your copy/paste skills to be excellent."
LOL You missed the entire point. FIRST I replied in common English, but THEN people made claims I couldn't back those words with real science.
So I posted sources. (copy paste) something the Vegans on this thread seldom do.
Of course those scientific studies are far more than 500 characters and I cant post the whole studies LMAO. But the logic fail is in YOU posting that it isn't scientific.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
rosepetal108 6 months ago
You can't possibly begin to digest the information I have about current biological anthropology and nutrition, 14 years of vivisection alone has tough me first hand how all animals digest and its consequences. Although we can and have survived on an omnivorous life style, it has dramatically reversed our potential for intellectual growth, and left stagnant any possibility of using our brain to its full potential.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 lol
Speaking of brain potential. Humans have less than a 5% efficiency of converting the short-chain n−3 fatty acids to long-chain forms like EPA and DHA, (women convert slightly better than men) which are extremely critical in brain development and function. (and a lot of other biological functions) and fruits provide extremely little short chain omega 3's and no long chain at all.
Truth is that brains increased in direct proportion to the amount of meat eaten.
rosepetal108 6 months ago 2
@rosepetal108 Fish oil can actually be more dangerous than helpful for the body. As for Omega 3 fatty acids, plant based sources have significant amounts organically.The human body only absorbs approx 40% of the total amount of meat injested.Thus, when huamns rely on meat sources to obtain the essential omega3's, we miss out on important omega's.Through plant-based sources our body absorbs 100%. Most americans consume too much omega3 fatty acids.The only difference is the amount of carbon-
OctyB 6 months ago
@OctyB ===> "The only difference is the amount of carbon-"
The only difference is long chain omega 3's are very poorly metabolized into long chain omega 3's that we need due to the fact that in our entire evolutionary history Humans have been omnivores and never had to rely on only veggie sources.(which are ONLY short chain)
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 It is a sad thing that OctyB is doing the vegan-fanatic thing. I am concerned over the statistics on omega-3 conversion to EPA and DHA, too. Nevertheless, some people are clearly healthy vegans ---check Storm Taliferro, for example. And it is ethically vital to not participate in factory-farming--hence, for those who can, I support thoughtful, supplemented veganism and other diets that protect our decency as humans, and the environment as much as possible.
givebirthathome 6 months ago
@givebirthathome I actually agree with what you say. I certainly do what I can to stop animal cruelty myself. I don't even like the taste of factory farmed eggs or beef. I raise as much food as I can myself in a large organic garden. It's not perfect. I still am forced to go to the market. But it is probably less impact on the environment or animal cruelty than 99.99% of the population and healthier too.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@givebirthathome There were several fallacies in this paragraph, but I must address your misconception of Veganism-its not a diet, I believe you confused it with vegetarianism.
truth2748 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Too bad more vegans don't pay attention to what I heard one vegan leader say, "Veganism is about reducing animal suffering, not our own purity. If I could reduce animal suffering by driving to Wendy's and having a burger, I would". I would note that I don't think "humanely raised/organic beef" is adequate ethically--because of USDA regulations, unless you do a lot of finagling, in general, the animals must be shipped to slaughterhouses, where there seems to be a significant
givebirthathome 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 likelihood of the animals enduring agonizing mistreatment. So "humanely raised" without comparable assurance about the slaughter, is ---kind of a fraud. With Buffalo and antelope, there are two operations online that offer "field kill"--the animal is shot in the field, and picked up in a refrigerated truck.
Aside from that...I think we have to be careful about science that may be good for what its worth...but not see the forest for the trees. The levels of nutrients that
givebirthathome 6 months ago
@truth2748 I concur with you! I also study Nutrition and I'm in Medical School. However, unintelligent people write on youtube stating they know it all with no supporting education or scientific evidence proving that the omnivore diet is healthy. Meat eaters just don't have the brain capacity to understand the biological makeup of the human body. VEGANS ROCK! <3
OctyB 6 months ago
@OctyB ====> "However, unintelligent people write on youtube stating they know it all with no supporting education or scientific evidence"
You want more? There are 1000's more where those came from. Or are you still on your arrogant high horse?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Sorry u haven't provided1 highly accredited scholarly study proving that humans only benefit from omnivorous diet¬ a vegan diet.The China Study is largest epidemiology study in history.They proved that the less animal products people ate, the less osteoporosis, cancer, CVD, high cholesterol, obesity, diabetes, heart dis., mad cow, E-coli, salmonella, ETC occurred.PPL in China eat less than5%fish&meat.The large group of people who consumed no animal products,did not have diseases
OctyB 6 months ago
@OctyB That is simply not true either. Harvard isn't accredited? The Journal of the American Medical Association is peer-reviewed, The highest % of Vegetarians in any society by far is India, not China. Which is not surprising since India is the birth place of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism which all have various forms of vegetarianism and the ahimsa doctrine Vegans borrowed. India BTW has a Life expectancy ranked 139 India 64.7 YO. Far lower than many third world countries even poorer than India.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@OctyB ===>"The large group of people who consumed no animal products,did not have diseases"
Total outright lie. The mortality rate due to ischemic heart disease was 34 percent lower among lacto-ovo vegetarians (vegetarians who eat dairy products and eggs) and pescetarians (those who eat fish but no other meat) compared to regular meat eaters, and 26 percent lower among vegans compared to regular meat eaters. That study proves that lowering meat is good but totally abstaining is bad.
rosepetal108 6 months ago