I just discovered Dr. Norman Finkelstein tonight and have been reading about the israeli-palestinian, and to a larger effect the israeli-arab conflicts. I'm scouring youtube for videos about Dr. Finkelstein to get a better understanding of his views and generally agree with him. But did he say Jimmy Carter is the most revered ex-president in our history? I obviously disagree. please enlighten me if I'm mistaken.
LOL. Such a stupid & ridicoulas host, speaking about Holucust industry " His mother was in holocaust, then why would you call that holocaust denier?" when the parents of the man on drugs ( Norman Finklestein )
.Listen to how he opens up: Generally I was raised at home .? what an ass hole! He is a psycho, can't you see ? I bet you he got it up his ass with intefada, If Intifada wanted a country, they would at least recognize coexistence!
When the people were Judaized mityahadim (Esther 8:17)--taking on the manners of the Jews, this did not make the awakened, political or religious converts Jews (Hebrews); at most it made them proselytes. However, the people we see from all the parts of the world today who are not Hebrews (including Orthodox Jewish and Rashi scholars) but yet call themselves Jews are no more Jews than the non-Hebrew people of Media and Persia who became Judaized in the time of Esther and Mordecai.
Dr. Finkelshit has siblings????? Oh no..... did he just say he's Jewish??? you are not Jewish...... every single Jewish community in the world, including Israel has excommunicated you. Is he on drugs or something? He's talking so weird.
@surferqueen29 how did I...? i bet you cant back up your comment. Im sure your aware that he's not the only Jew who realises that Judaism is NOT zionism. btw..."excommunicated" ? thats religious...many israelis are atheists, in fact before the theft that is known as 'Israel', the land was flooded with atheist socialist jews from europe.
@surferqueen29 your trying to hard to be smart. first of all, my spelling of "realises" is the UK English spelling. Secondly - and i'll put this down to your obvious adolescence - to side-step the micro-debate and make an issue out of capitalisation and spelling is pathetic, almost as pathetic as the way I'm still replying to your boring, irrelevant remarks that have nothing to do with this video or my comments.
@pengo2007 Zionism isn't Judaism ?! ROFL. Even the staunchest Neturei Karta believe the land belongs to the Jews, they're just waiting for the messiah to hand it to us. Well I am of the school that God helps those that help themselves. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a single prayer in which the return to Zion isn't a main theme. From the 3 daiuly prayers to grace after meals. On the other hand, Israel & Jerusalem are mentioned exactly zero times in the Koran. Let's cut the crap!
@pengo2007 I don't think Finkelstein is an anti-Semite .. I think he makes a living catering to the PC Islamo appologist/appeasing community .. a good living. I can post plenty of Arab Muslems who actually live in the region who will tell you just how happy they are with Israel & that their own people are used as political fodder for the Islamo community. That the Arabs in the territories are opressed far worse by their own than by Israel.
Dr. Finkelstein is an honest & accurate jewish-american whom I respect very much. He tells the truth & because of that, most (not all) of his fellow jews cannot stand him. The real battles are currently being fought internally within the jewish community. The majority of jews are extremely pro-israel and extremely anti-Palestinian, however there is a good portion (perhaps 25%-30%) who are opposed to zionism and very much opposed to what israel is doing to the Palestinians.
I think there is a growing number (although probably still a minority) of Jewish people who come to grips with the reality of the conflict, and thats great to see. Along with Finklestein, Chomsky, Ilan Pappe, and Phyllis Bennis are all scholarly examples.
its not just neturei karta that have same beliefs. Many orthodox (hasidic, haredi) jews. ar against zionism. they follow a strict adherence to Talmudic laws and teachings. There own bible told them God expelled them from Israel and cant return till God tells them. Forcing their way back is contrary to Gods word therefore they think Zionism for many reasons is wrong, Actually early zionists, many were and still are either secular or atheist, Zionism is very racist ideology Good riddance .
Every nazilib who wants Israel destroyed is called a "truth teller".
The Islamics can kill all the Jews they want steal all the Jewish land and any Jew who dares to try and defend themselves is "evil" for staying alive.
How dare they stay alive when nazis like Finklstein and his evil supporters like the nazis and johadists and fake phony "religious" Jews like Neturi Karta , want the Jews dead.
See also on the You Tube ¤ ¤ ¤ NETURELI KARTA ¤ ¤ ¤ A Very Good Rabays who took Truth ! They is NOT zyionist only Very God Human People who accept The Palestynia Naton. Who can make Peace into muslim and jews people . God Bles NETURELI KARTA ! :o)
greenplanets: sorry for accusing u of generalising, it sounded that way, but i think its better to qualify statements such as the one you made, its safer, if you know what i mean..peace...
You know in the old testament a woman is turned into a pillar of salt, for sympathizing for the dead? To be clear said biblical event is actually worse then violating freedom of speech, it is a violation of freedom of though. So, you might as well say it's very Jewish or very Catholic of them. However i hope you don't say anything of that kind. It is rediculous to imply that any group of people is monolithic (like you did).
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So you think that a story which can not be substantiated from 3+ millenia ago is the same as a cult which controls 1.4 billion people in 2009 not allowing it's members to question anything ?!
Does the idea that there is a cult controlling one fifth of the earth's population, "not allowing its members to question anything", really seem plausible to you. If it does, kindly prove it.
Also, i assume you're aware of the old testament story where god tells abraham to kill his only son, the only reason being that god wants him to. After Abraham goes out to kill his son he's stopped, and infact rewarded for his blind obediance. Yone what do you think the point of that story is?
This highly educated person is wise and attached to principles and manners, loves the fact of being a Jewish and proud of the messages conveyed on the prophets of Israel who were the chosen nation of GOD, seeming deeply and profoundly hurt by the Holocaust and refusing to apply the same........CONTINUED
Palestin never exist is the joke of century. And the autoctone people of Palestin?
According to their thinking if the Palestine never existed, then what to say to Israel? If the Jews never had a regular place fixed, especially after the diaspora that have spread throughout world?
I read all that you write, and all i can say is.
Zionism 'Faire Tales' brother, is the diference of the "history" of you study and me.
The "history" of Israel tell is not based on evidence or facts, but in pure faith.
it is important to remember that the kingdom of Israel was never sovereign.Reigned for a short time. And the land is disputed, and was once belonged to Assyrian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, several other tribes and kingdoms during that period and soon afterwards returned to belong to the palestinians people.
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The Kingdom of Israel was never sovreign ?! Who was it under ?! It belonged to the people you mention (Assyrians etc) after the Israelite rule. In fact the Jews where expelled for fighting for this land.
Who where the "Palestinian" people 2000 years ago ?! Funny thing is that until 67 what you call "palestinians" called themselves "Arabs" !! There is no proof that todays Palis where in any way shape or form in this land 2K years ago. Quite to the contrary. Back to the history books for you ...
Your history is corrupted ! as you MIGHT know that Arab are those who originaly came from Yemen , the rest are not purly arabs , Seems you dont know much about Sam and Kanaan ! go find out more about them and then come and talk !
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That's fnny since I have a degree in Middle Eastern history from an acredited university in the US of A. So you are saying that Arabs come from yemen & not Arabia. It would appear that you are quite the loon. It would of course make senxse that Arabs are from yemen as today it's a haven for terrorists. The USS Cole attack was no surprise.
Western historuians almost unanimously agree that there is no proof that today's "Palis" are decendants of the Philistines, Cananites, Edomites, etc etc.
I bet I could find historical documents also in a very famous university to counter claim your cherry picking historical claims. world truth is if you look for something you will find it no matter what it is.
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I don't think looing at every continent but Antarctica & seeing terrorism in the name of Allah within the last century to be "cherrypicking". I wonder if Muslems have realized that Emperor penguins are Kafirs
zionism is the evil in the planet, is corruptor of souls and nation
Wake up blind sheeps of the hell!!
Second, Israeli people(hebrew) is originary of "Ur", ancient Mesopotamia(current Iraq). When Abraham arrived in Palestine, found the Palestin people(philistins) and have to fight to achieve the land. Only in reing of David, the hebrew succeded conquer the Palestin. Read the "Torah", Bible or study history to learn this. So, Where is the birthplace of whom?
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"Plishtim" which you basterdize as "Palestinian" means "invader" in Hebrew. They where Greek sea people. What you call "Palestinans" today are Arabs .. from Arabia. So it's clear that they are not the same people. In fact the Plishtim disappeared never to be heard from again so your argument is doubly hillarious.
I've seen an intelligent young man who, in other spheres of his life is kind, talking about how he and two others tortured a 14 year old shepherd to death by jumping on him, you know there is something sick and ugly in Israeli society - a mass psychosis.
This is the testimony of a refusenik who described how he and his friends would do these things and then go off duty and to a normal life with his family.
He said he couldn't understand why he didn't realise before that this was wrong.
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You only see "refusniks". Fact ishat they are a minor minority in israel. The rest of us realize that those wanting us dead would not give the kind of mercy that these refusniks want to give.
The most interesting point is that you never said that it was IDF policy to torture or kill nor that this guy ever reported it. So your 'intelligent young man" is nothing more that a murderer. Love your ability to judge character.
So how are the aborigenes ? How are your raping Muslims in Australia ?
IDF know very well they have carte blanche to kill, main and torture Palestinians anywhere, anytime. They want you "dead" and yet the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli is conservatively, 5 to 1,
I see you characterise Muslims as rapists. How witlessly you reveal your vile hatred and prejudice. Israel was founded on rape, massacres, torture and ethnic cleansing, even the avowed Zionist Benny Morris has documented it. He believe all the Arabs should have been expelled.
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Yet the IDF prosecutes it's own that have killed wrongly !!
That ratio is nothing considering how many plis are actively involved intrying to kill us.
I never said all Muslims are rapists grandma, so don't put anything in my mouth thnx! Fact is that the men who where commiting these rapes did so partly on religious reasons & they where Muslims !
You spew the same rhetoric I hear from all the PC airgheads. Do you all suck on the same Islamo-propaganda teet ?
Helen starts by saying there's something sick in Israeli society, without being very clear that *the same thing is wrong across the globe*.
But, if Israelis want fewer enemies, there are options available to you. Changed societies start with changed citizens, you can start
As you mention, Moslems have their own hostility problems to fix, but would you say, "why should I get a better job?" if your neighbor didn't? No, you'd want to be the best you could be as soon as possible.
It has been hard for people who have knowledge of peace options to get their information out. Israeli anthropology professor Jeff Halper talks about this on his google video. Folks should realize there are options they are not even considering when they seem locked into bad situations. With billion dollar profits involved and the neurophysiology of fear, this is particularly the case with war. Encounter Point, Neve Shalom wahat al Salam,Patricia Sun, Fariha al-Jerrahi and Daniel J.Amit
Without excusing the violence on either side in Israel, I want to point out that genocide, whether intentional or inadvertant, of indigenous people is/has been recently going on in Indonesia and South America. India seems to displace villagers for hydroelectric and simply leave them homeless. And popular Canada--just check out James Bay. Those people are just as devastated as Palestinians, but they have no big ethnic group worldwide backing their cause, as do both Israelis and Palestinians.
The IDF occasionally investigate homicides by the IDF which are committed every single day, you Judeo-Nazi shithead. Once in a blue moon, some IDF thug gets a slap on the wrist. That's not justice you Judeo-Nazi little prick - that's a joke.
The Occupation is illegal, genocidal and Israel is a terrorist state.
Living in a military theocracy is pretty tough unless you're Jewish. And if you're Jewish and dissident it's tough too - you go to jail for refusing to break international law.
So we agree that the IDF does have a body set up to investigate these actions. So do the Palis !! Yet noy once have they used it to investigate or prosecute their own who openly target our civilians. The term is bigot. Now go look in the mirror to comprehend.
NAZI ? The Palis where NAZIs during WW2 !! You really are retarded !!
The "occupation" is a result of no peace accord reached primarily because the Palis have no interest in it. So cram it grandma.
The IDF has a body set up to cover up and minimise the homicides, cretin, that's why so many massacres occur.
Unfortunately, for you the refuseniks and dissidents including former IDF like Breaking the Silence have exposed Israel's atrocities against Palestinian civilians in the Occupied Territories.
The Judeo-Nazi state has no interest in peace, that's why it bulldozes Palestinian homes in the West Bank to build Jews only settlements and steals more land and water every day
Minimizing by sending our boys to prison. You truely are a twat ! No mention of the fact that not 1 Pali is prosecuted by Hamas or the PA for killing babys in baby seats, or sniping @ 2 year olds. You're disgusting grandma.
What massacres ?! The ones in our pizza shops, or Passover dinners. You are a bigot c&nt!
Refusniks make up less than 1% The left wing in Israel is 3% or less. If a Pali states that Israel has the right to exist etc he'd be killed. Yet this is what you support ! You idiot !!
You little Judeo-Nazi fuck. You think you can kill Palestinians and Lebanese in their own countries and then cry anti-Semitism when your crimes against humanity are exposed for the world to see - like the genocidal destruction of Lebanon.
Israel is a Nazi-style terrorist state and you are just an ignorant, uneducated, terrorism supporting coward.
Israel's human rights groups are doing a wonderful job but the nature of the Judeo-Nazi state is that Israelis aren't exposed to the truth.
Why did we go into Lebanon idiot?! Cuz the PLO was shelling us & using it to send in terrorists. Like the ones that massacred 26 or so high school students in Ma'alot!! But it's ok to kill Jews, just not your precious Palis. Bigot!
I live here & don't ignore questions that I don't like. So whose the ignorant coward. I'd look in the mirror. Supporter of what is already an opressive Sharia regime. Idiot!
Glad you agree that our human rights movements have freedom to operate. Is that so in the PA?!
That's not why you went into Lebanon. Israel has been bombing Lebanon since the 70's and deliberately targeting civilians. Zionist terrorism came first. Palestinian and Lebanese are retaliating against your genocidal invasions and occupations. You think only Zionist lives matter.
Get off Palestinian land. There are 500,000 illegal settlers in the West Bank you terrorist shitheads.
You illegally occupied Lebanon for 22 years and haven't left yet.
The PLO went into Lebanon in the 70s after their attempted coup in Jordan failed. Your ignorance of the history & facts of the conflict are shinning bright yet again !!
We deliberately target civilians ? You really are a quack. If we did that we wouldn't be spending a fortune on guided missiles. I know your friends don't use them when targeting me.
We don't have 1 inch of Lebanese land, this even according to the UN !! You truely are an idiot grandma!
Any idea what the PLO was doing in Lebanon in the70s & early 80s ? Targeting Israel & killing Christians. Funny thing is that notyhing has changed !! Fatah, the PLOs postdecesor is still targeting Israel & still killing Christians, now in the West Bank. Hamas is no better. You sure know how to chose what to support you retarded old sheila.
The Palestinians under Occupation have no rights at all because the Judeo-Nazi state can bulldoze their homes, shoot their children, steal their land, their water, their food, their medicines and close down all their social services.
So, basically, no, I won't shut up you Judeo-Nazi little shit.
The Palis in the territories don't get rights from Israel but rather from the PA & Hamas. But you are right, they are repressed. Christians are being killed for their faith & women are harrased for their attire. That's cuz both Hamas & Fatahhave declared that Palestine will be a Muslim state, Hamas stating it'll be Sharia. & this is what you chose to support you idiot ?!! You are retarded bigoted ignorant old c&nt grandma !!
Shut up or not means nothing as do you ! You are valueless !
All you've got, isn't it you Judeo-Nazi little shit - I'm older than you, I'm not a grandmother, although no doubt I will be one day.
I won't shut my face- Judeo-Nazi cretin, I have the right of freedom of speech- a basic human right which you Zionist goons oppose- naturally.
A Palestinian or a Jewish dissident living under the Judeo-Nazi state has their lives made intolerable by persecution and denial of their human rights. All the human rights agencies agree including the Israeli ones.
All I've got? I've got Israel you loony old bat! I don't care what you shut. You're an inconsequential bigot who supports an opressive regime that would treat you like dog turd if you where a citizen. You're an idiot!
Newsflash. Israel is the country w/ the best free press, speech & religion record in the region. Again, you're a bigot! The only reasonthat there is human rights issues in the territories is that we are still @ war idiot! Israeli Arabs have the same rights as me!
You Judeo-Nazis have massacred tens of thousands in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories over the years and when you provoke retaliatory terrorist attacks you fall to pieces.
Don't think for one minute that you Judeo-Nazis can commit animalistic atrocities and you won't get a bit of your own back.
Israel is not a democracy - it doesn't have a free press - as Breaking the Silence and the refuseniks have proven - crimes committed in Occupied Territories are rarely hear about in Israel.
Massacre is a weighted word luv. We haven't massacred anyone. If we massacred you'd know about it.
We provoke retaliatory terrorist attacks ?! What a bigoted ignorant old c&nt you are. No idea of the history of the place. Of the treatment of the Jewish community under Islamic rule. Blow me grandma!
I love it when you call me a NAZI as your Palestinians actually where NAZIs during WW2. Just another sign of your absolute ignorance on the subject.
Ha'Aretz is aleft wing paper printed daily. Idiot!
Don't take the moral high ground. The Judeo-nazi state has bombed all its neighbours and is planning an attack on Lebanon and Iran.
You haven't got the balls to do it without the U.S. you bunch of cowards.
You are still at war because you are stealing Palestinian territory. Arabs do not have the same rights as Jews in Israel. You can either vote for a party of Judeo-nazis or a party of Judeo-Nazis. Only Jews have full rights.
Palestinians have no rights in under the Judeo-Nazi state.
So now I'm a "whore" lol..naturally. Israel is a proxy army for the U.S. stupid.
The Zionist aim was always to ethnically cleanse Palestine and the Arabs knew it. Plan Dalet was no secret except to Israeli society, most of which prefers not to know the atrocities carried out in their name.
Iran has never attacked Israel you empty headed twit. You take U.S. weapons and use them to massacre civilians and then you cry "poor Israel" when you get a tiny fraction of your own back.
I can only imagine that as stupid as you are you'd be a whore. So what does Islamo cock taste like?
It's hard to believe that we are ethnically cleansing anything when 20% of Israel itself is Arab. We have Arab soldiers, police officers, judges, members of Parliament, etc.
TheIDF makes our own tanks, planes (but now use F-16s), rifles, etc. Get your head out your ass grandma.
Fact is that if we treated the Palis as they do us they'd be dead ! Can you imagine salvos of rockets hiting Gaza daily?!
Iran hasn't attacke Israel ?! Who do you think arms, finances, & gives orders to Hizbulah ?! They are run out of Tehran. That's where Narsalah was trained. The Katyushas launched against Israel by Hizbulah are made in Iran !!
Palestinians target our civilians with daily rocket barages & attemts @ infiltrating Israel & you act surprised that we do something about it. Get this through your skull grandma, we ain't the old "shut up n take it" Jews you bigots like.
You Judeo-Nazis started the war in 48 with Plan Dalet which was formulated decades before. The Arabs knews what you were up to and tried to defend their Palestinians brothers. Tikvah Honig Parnass fought with the Hagannah and describes the expulsion of the Palestinians. Premeditated and genocidal
How has Iran attacked Israel you cretin? It has never attacked Israel you lying little creep. You take billions of dollars in U.S,. weapons for free and then want to blame Iran for arming your victims.
Yes. Unlike almost all Western historians, you figured it out. We started the war of 48. We invited 5 armies to attack us ! You idiot, if we where trying to ethnically cleanse anything, how come Israel is 20% Arab ?!
Iran arms trains & funds some Guerillas, sends then to Lebanon & tells them to kidnap 2Israeli soldiers on Israeli ground & you think Iran never attacked Israel ?! Yet Israel is the US'proxy army ?! You really are a bigot. I was half kidding till now.
Big deal about the kidnapped soldiers. Israel holds another 10,000 Palestinians including children in illegal detention. You have massacred tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians
Israel is the aggressor in the region. Iran has the right to arm Hezbollah or anyone else who is resisting Zionist aggression
You don't complain about free weapons of mass destruction from the U.S Israel is just a client state of the U.S.
Give up U.S,. weapons and you might have a case to complain about Iran.
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What do Palestinian prisoners have to do with a Lebanese militia ?! Unless you are saying that it's all the Muslims against Israel in which case it's 5 mill Israelis Vs 1.4bill Muslims .. & you call the Palis the underdogs ?!
Seeing as how Palestinian police disembowl israeli prisoners & throw their body parts into the cheering crowd, I wouldn't discuss illegal detaining if I where you .. unless you are willing to do so on both sides.
In short grandma .. blow me you ignorant old twat.
As I said, Israel is a totalitarian state because it has institutionalised torture, illegal detention, illegal occupation of Palestinian land where the indigenous people have no rights at all. No matter what the Arabs want they can only get a government of Judeo-Nazi terrorists or a party of Judeo-Nazi terrorists.
Israel is still at war because it steals territory every single day and is one of the most gross violators of human rights in the world.
The Palis don't have institutionalized torture ?! LOL!! Perhaps you missed the people being tossed off buildings in Gaza by Hamas, the Palis elected reps !! Our soldiers detained by Hamas are not even allowed visits from the Red Cross & you speak of illegal detention?!
Have the Palis ever respected any borders ?! Never !! Cut the crap grandma !!
Israel doesn't give or take Pali rights. That's the PA & Hamas. So if you have issues take it up with them.
See B'tselem for details of the institutionalised torture that is carried out as a part of everyday life in the Occupied Territories by the Judeo-Nazi Aggression Forces.
You are a vicious little Judeo-Nazi shit and as a former IDF I'm sure you've committed your share of atrocities. Breaking the Silence and the Refuseniks have described human rights abuses committed by the Zionists in detail as have other human rights groups.
How many have you killed you homicidal little shit?
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What you refer to as "torture"is only psychoological which is why when the US wants Iraqis tortured they send them to Arab countries !! No mention of the fact that the PA tortures routinely. I expect no less fgrom you.
I commited crimes ? You twat ! I sleep fine @ night. That's cuz I recognize exactly who I am dealing with. I feel bad for the many Palis that are great people, I'm sure, but they have horrid representation & some serious sociopaths around ruining the bunch.
You can't bear the thought of your victims being armed to defend themselves Israel wouldn't be able to commit its human rights abuses without U.S. weapons. Iran has every right to arm Hezbollah. As for the Red Cross you piece of filth,they condemn Israel's atrocities in no uncertain terms
You keep more than 20,000 people in illegal detention and as B'tstelem and other groups say, torture is a routine matter
Israel steals Palestinian land every day for Nazi style lebensraum
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Any clue how many guns are in Gaza & the West Bank ?! Trust me, they are not unarmed. Besides, they don't want helicopters & jets cuz Israel would destroy them in conventional warcraft. Instead they prefer terrorist methods where they can target our civilians yet play the underdog card & get the simpathy of brain dead dipshits like you. I see it worked.
The Red Cross condemns Israel by what do they say about the organizations you so vehemently support.
Zionist terrorist groups had already demonstrated their plan to ethnically cleanse Palestine. You Judeo-Nazis have no respect for legal borders that's why you sneer at Resolution 242 and that's why you occupied Lebanon for 22 years and invaded Syria. You steal Palestinian land every day and then whine about the Palestinian resistance. You did start the war in 48 by prior massacres of Palestinians.
Israel holds 10,000 Lebanese illegally in its filthy dungeons, and tortures sadistically.
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You really are that ignorant you old kook. UN242 does not call on Israel to return all land from wars. The guy who wrote it was quiet specific about this. So far in fact Israel has done nothing illegal as no peace accord is signed.
Killings of Arabs prior to 48 was a result of Arab attacks on Israeli farms etc. Explain the massacre of the Jewish community of Hebron in 1929 by the Arabs in which Jewish land was taken & has yet to be returned. I don't expect an answer you ignorant twat bitch
2 State solution is all I advocate numbnuts. Israel offered exactly this in 2000 @ Camp David but Arafat refused it. Besides, even a return to the 67 borders isn't enough for Hamas. They openly state that they will accept nothing less than all of Israel in Muslim control. So why are they so honest yet you so ignorant ? It's the Palis that have no desire for peace. Look @ Gaza. The day after we pulled out of it the Palis where targerting our civilians from it.
Many Israeli politicians have until today accused Arabs and Palestinians of wasting a historic opportunity for partition in 1947. Yet when Arabs and Palestinians offered the Israelis recognition in areas larger than those of the 1947 Partition Plan, Israel wasted the opportunity for peace and continued annexing as much West Bank and Jerusalem land, with as little Palestinian population, as possible.
The partition of 47 calls for Jerusalem to be an international city yet to this day the Palis claim the city as their own. Not 1 faction claims it as an international city. Even in 48 the Jordanians with Pali backing killed the Jews of the old city & destroyed the Jewish quarter. So you can cram your "48 border" crap. Not to mention that Hamas, the Palis' elected reps, openly admit that not 1" of israel being Jewish is ok under Islmic law. Why are they so honest & you so very very not ? Asshole!
Jeruzalem is ground gained by violence in the 6 day war (and therefor illegally occupied territory under the Geneva conventions), besides Livni has just failed to make a coalition because of the rightwingers that dont want to give any of Jeruzalem back! Dont act like the Zionists are the victim in this situation.
Ofcourse they tried to destroy them, what the hell would you do if a bunch of idiots started invading your country? Welcome them? You need more practice defending your terrorist state
Actually Jerusalem (which Muslims have changed to Al Quds), was initially supposed to be an international city but Jordan (which is 70% Palestinian) kicked out/killed the Jews of the City in 48. They demolished the Jewish qurater. So let's not talk about land gained through aggression !!
Get this through your head. We ain't giving up Jerusalem. It's our Capital.
How do you invade a country where you have always lived & is your homeland ?!
PS. We aren't asking for your permission for anything !!
Last I checked you haven't been able to contadict a single thing I said. This discussion was over before it began as you aren't actually here to discuss but rather to point your ignorant finger at me ... wich I really don't care about. Last I checked I live here in Israel & you in da Nederalnds. So cram your BS, nobody cares what you have to say.
PS. Please send my love to Mrs Ali. You can do so by writting it on a note, putting the note on a knife, & stabbing a director in the street with it 8)
Yo Hell, guess who is the 2nd worst human rights violator after China ? Iran !! You have absolutely zero concept of Islam & what's going on out here other than the Islamo bullshit you regurgitate like a drone. Find something usefull to do with you time other than supporting regimes that would violate your rights given half a chance.
As for why we don't have peace Hamas is a lot more honest than you are! They state that even the 67 border is unacceptable & that the goal is Israel's anihilation !
Hillarious !! A 1 state solution ?! You mean like Arafat suggested !! He also said that this would be best because it would destroy Jewish Israel using "the Arab womb". It would be demographic suicide. There is a reason the land was partitioned to begin with. It stops Muslims from abusing Jews as they routinely have & do.
Yes the Brits where kissin Arab ass & refused Jews coming to Israel, even when it meant they retrned to Germany to be killed.
Palis didn't own most of the land. They where tenant farmers. Jews bought much of the land from landlords in Turkey. Some Palis did flee from fear. But others stayed & today 20% of Israel is Arab !
The land was partitioned by the UN & England abstained from the vote !!
why cant the pals return then if they left optionally?
those palestinians in Israel are treated like tolerated guests even though they were there before you or father or grandfather made aliyah from poland,russia, iraq, morocco or whatever.
If you leave with the intention of returning once all Jews of Israel are dead than you made your bet & lost. You do realize that more Jews where expelled from Muslim lands around 1948 than there where displaced "Palestinians" !! Nobody talks about these Jews only about Palis. Point is .. we got over it .. so can you !! They can return to their land .. it's called Palestine and @ the moment it's @ war with a sovreign nation called Israel.
& a lot of these Jews didn't choose to leave, but where expelled. I know several such families, not all of whome moved to Israel. So it looks like there are still more Jews expelled than Palis displaced circa 1948.
So you think Islam can do anything to Jews but the reverse should be condemned ?! How amazingly Muslim of you !
Jews in the Middle East have been abused long before 1948 luv !!
I'll name 2 since I have friends from both that will 1st handedly coroborate that they where expelled. Egypt is one, & many of these Jews did not choose to go to Israel but rather France & the US so no retarded feedback about "they wanted to go to Israel" that I hear ignoramuses spewing. The other country is Iraq where Jews where actually hung in public squares without trials. You are so very ignorant of Muslim history. About a million Jews where uprooted yet it's you that still bitches.
perhaps they had it bad but how come jews were smuggled in secret out thats not the same? if they were ALL expelled how come until 2003 atleast 100 jews remained?
You named 2 countries out of 21 arab nations so you just prooved your own lies.
Wether Egypt surprises you or not, it's a fact. Same with Iraq. In fact LubedNun, more Jews where expelled from Muslim countries circa 1948 than there where displaced Palis !!
I told you that I would only name 2. I could have name Libiya, etc etc but thought 2 was enough.
Does every Jew have to be expelled for it to be a general expultion ?! You claim Palis where expelled yet 20% of Israel is Pali !!
Tell me when "Zionist terrorism" started sharmuta. I guarantee you that this was started by Muslim Arabs.
The fact that the Church opressed us horribly in Europe doesn't mean that Islam didn't as well. You really are that arrogant & ignorant. Amazing !
Ever wonder why European Jewery didn't escape to Islamic countries during all those centuries of European abuses ? Perhaps it's because Islam was only marginally better to us !! Islam has killed & force converted us just like Christianity luv
All of these organizations where formed to defend Jews of Israel against Arabs. You do realize that as early as 1921 Arab uprisings massacered Jews. In 29 this happened again & again in 33. There is no question that Arab terrorism was the catayst to these movements, none of which exist today. Hamas is a terrorist organization targeting civilians & what are they doing today ? Ahh yes, representing the Palis.
in that case they should of spent their energies on defending jews against the nazis!!! instead of kicking arabs out of their homes and bombing buses!
the more I listen to you zionist pigs the more I feel like vommiting.
Hamas didnt exist in 1947 or 67 so using them as a scape goat is bullshit!
You elected Menechem Begin a terrorist respsonsible for the 46 king David Hotel bombings which killed 91 ppl.
Do you really need organizations when the mosques & leaders are telling the general population to kill Jews .. which is exactly what happened.
1929 the Arab citizens of Hebron killed 67 or so Jews most of whom had lived there for generations. They raped, maimed, & interestingly enough stole these Jews' land which has yet to be returned.
The IDF are busy killing Palestinians every single day. Israel is seizing food, medicine and closing schools, soup kitchens, health clinics and charities in the West Bank.
Look up B'tselem or Amnesty for details of Israel's rape, torture, maiming and murder of Palestinians.
Israel has annexed 50% of the West Bank and IDF terrorists roam the area indiscriminately killing. Just for fun!
"Peace will come to Israel and the Middle East when Israel accepts its legal borders."
The IDF kills Palestinians every day /! Who did we kill yesterday ? The day before ? In fact the IDF is 1 of the most restrained forces on the planet.
I have looked up the B'tselem & Amn Int pages. Frankly Israel comes out smelling like roses. How about looking up the reatment of Jews by Arabs up to 1948?!
Israel hasn't annexed anything near 50% of anything.
Jimmy Carter is an ignorant well meaning twat.
PS. I see you're an Aussie. Any Muslim gang rapes of locals lately ?!
I'll gladly name an Arab terrorist. How about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who started the slaughter of the Jewish community in 1929, & who asked Hitler for help in killing all the Jews of the Middle East. Besides being the leader of the Muslim community of Palestine he was also Arafat's uncle.
You're complaining to us about bombing buses ? ROFL ! That's your MO
The PLO existed prior to 67 yet only focused on killing Jews & not a bit about creating a Pali country
What exactly is the difference between telling people to target civilians & terrorism ?! In the end 68+ Jews lay dead in Hebron not to mention the ones maimed, castrated, raped, etc. All on the word of the Grand Mufti who made it clear that he wanted not just palestines Jewery dead but that of the entire Middle East. As far as I'm concerned, if you target civilians, you're a terrorist.
"Islam has killed & force converted us just like Christianity luv".
We had our bad times we had our good times.
Force? My great great grandmother was a Lebanese Jew and she converted to Islam nobody forced her so you shut your mouth because you seriously dont know your talking about.
You Zionist European Jews should of stayed in Europe. Some of you are worse than Hitler.
You have had/are having many more bad times than good MissLubedNun.
The fact that your grandmother is an idiot is neither here nor there. The fact that less than 200 years ago all the Jews of the capitol of Iran @ the time where forced to convert or die speaks volumes.
Why would we stay in Europe when Israel is our homeland ?! To appease your retarded cult ?! Blow me !!
At least we didn't colaborate with Hitler like the Palis did. Look up "Grand Mufti + Hitler"
You mean that Muslems would have been able to continue to abuse the minorities here in Palestine.
Bagdad wad 40% Jewish & now only 100 Jews remain. Wonder what could have happened.
You blame the fact that Muslims where killing Christians in Lebanon & the Christians faught back on Israel ?! You must be dumber than you look. Thanks for admiting that the PLO was/is a violent entity even outside Israel.
At the moment Palestinian Muslems in the West Bank & Gaza are way busier bullying, opressing, & even killing the native Christians than we have ever been.
You truely are a twit.
PS. Your grandma is an idiot & I see that the apple's apple hasn't fallen far from that tree
you zionists really love Palestinian Christians dont you? funny plenty of them in your jails. Also its not like you dont loot their land in Ramallah and Bethlehem to build your fucking illegal settlements now is it?
1) I only say that your G-Ma was an idiot bcause she converted to Islam. I would not have had a problem with any other religion.
2) If you do something wrong you go to jail, even if you are a Pali Christian. Still beats killing them in Gaza & setting their homes on fire in the W Bank.
3) We have settlements in Ramalah? The closest thing is BeitEl which is outside the city. As for Bethlehem, the closest thing is Tekoa again outside the city.
You have yet to explain to me the 29 Hebron Massacre
I guess that's why you Zionists enjoy killing Muslims.
Israel makes its terrorist Prime Minister. As for freedom of speech, Israel deports its critics and won't allow the U.N. Special Rapporteur for Human Rights to enter the occupied territories or even Israel.
So much to hide!
Mekorot is cutting off water to the Palestinians in the West Bank to give the settlers swimming pools.
Genocide by any means.
Israel spends billions on war, while Holocaust survivors go hungry.
So much hate from such an ignorant old lady Helen. Get a life!
Israel does not enjoy killing anyone, otherwise this issue would have been dead long ago. Are you saying that Palis don't enjoy killing Israelis?
I know plenty of reporters in the area & all say that handsdown Israel is the ost open press zone in the region. Even our own newspapers criticize the govt when they want! What are you babling about?
Any ideas how any water sources the Palis have poluted beyond use?
C'mon look at your own human rights groups who say the complete opposite. The occupation is illegal, you moron. You've been fed Zionist bile since birth.
I've spoken to refuseniks who have said that torture is an everyday occurrence in the Occupied Territories.
Get out of Palestinian territory you Judeo Nazi psychopaths.
These are human rights organizations we let operate. They are not "ours" 97% of the country is not fooled like these people are.
The occupation is actually quite legal according to both UN242 & the fact that no peace accord has been reached .. you moron. You have been fed PC bullshit for to long.
Torture can't be an everyday occurence in Gaza as we are not in Gaza yet the rockets fall on our civilians daily.
Get you head out your ass you silly naive sharmuta. You have no clue about this land
What a shame the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories have no freedom of speech or any other right for that matter. You Judeo-Nazis are starving them, bulldozing their homes, herding them into ghettoes.
You're full of Zionist shit. Look up B'tselem for the water crisis faced by the Palestinians in the O.P.'s.
Your own newspapers never tell the full story from the Palestinian side, tha't why you're full of lies about their polluting water sources. You jail dissidents and deport critics.
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If Palis don't have freedom of speaach it's cuzof Hamas & Fatah. They have burial proceedings where people call for Israel's death & shoot off AK-47s. Again .. what'cha babling about now Helen?
Our own newspapers are free to post what they choose. Ha'aretz is the most Left wing rag. You might want to check there for the stories you want to hear.
It boggles the mind how misguided you are. What a hypocrite. Living on aboriginal land & pointing @ me. You are truely a twit
For one thing I wasn't alive when the British were colonising Australia. Israel's colonisation of Palestine is ongoing and genocidal. Kooris have equal rights under the law, unlike Palestinians. Our Prime Minister has apologised for past crimes and steps have been taken to compensate the victims
Peace activists are regularly denied entry to Israel and the OP's by the terrorist state
Israel jails its dissidents who refuse to enforce an illegal occupation -refusing to disobey international law
Same old swill. The Palestinians are not human, they enjoy killing unlike the Zionists who are all sweetness and light as they occupy other peoples' territory, kill their children in the streets, bulldoze their homes, torture them,ethnically cleanse them.
Palestinians polluting water - Israel has diverted water from the Palestinians, look up B'tselem for details you, little turd.
You jail your dissidents moron, you deport your critics. Zionists call for the sinking of the Free Gaza vessel!
Find me 1 place where I said Palis aren't human!! But so are we & we deserve to live unmolested by Islamo-totalitarianism.
We are no longer in Gaza so why are they sill attacking us?! Cuz you know nothing you old rag. This is about the anihilation of the Jewish state. Hamas is honest about this at least unlike you.
Israel has diverted water. That doesn't mean hat the Palis haven't poluted their water sources.
Just passed a protest today. Nobody was jailed. Whatcha babling about now Helen ?
Funny you should say that Hellen you ignorant Aussie. Fact is that Israei Arabs 920% of Israel's population) have the same rights as Isaeli Jews. More importantly is the fact that while Jews faught against NAZIs alongside the Brits, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the leader of the Muslim Palestinians, was busy kissing Hitler's ass. He asked Hitler to help kill the Jews of the Middle East & even set up 2 fully Muslim SS units!
So in fact you will find it's not Zionism that = Nazism.
"It is my considered opinion that the State of Israel is a racist state in the full meaning of this term. In this state people are discriminated against in the most permanent and legal way and in the most important areas of life, only because of their origin. This racist discrimination began in Zionism and is carried out today mainly in cooperation with the institutions of the Zionist movement." Professor Israel Shahak, Holocaust survivor and Chairman of Israeli League for Civil and Human Rights
It's great that this guy considers this, but in fact he is merely a chairman of a Left Wing group like Be'Tselem. A naive peon with no clue that the Palis have no intention of living peacefully with Jews (Hamas' leaders' own words). he nice thing is that Israel allows these groups to operate & we don't kill them. Try saying that Israel has every right to exist in the Palestinian territories. Hope you have your affairs in order.
I just discovered Dr. Norman Finkelstein tonight and have been reading about the israeli-palestinian, and to a larger effect the israeli-arab conflicts. I'm scouring youtube for videos about Dr. Finkelstein to get a better understanding of his views and generally agree with him. But did he say Jimmy Carter is the most revered ex-president in our history? I obviously disagree. please enlighten me if I'm mistaken.
Mr3000BM 2 weeks ago
i never knew Norman Finkelstein was on Al Hiwar TV
bejbejbej1 7 months ago
Not only is he a very smart and tough minded man...he is very handsome.
happydelicious 10 months ago
somebody can answer my question? Why are the enemies of the Jews and Israel, end their days on the gallows, or die by his suicide?
goringorin77 1 year ago
LOL. Such a stupid & ridicoulas host, speaking about Holucust industry " His mother was in holocaust, then why would you call that holocaust denier?" when the parents of the man on drugs ( Norman Finklestein )
.Listen to how he opens up: Generally I was raised at home .? what an ass hole! He is a psycho, can't you see ? I bet you he got it up his ass with intefada, If Intifada wanted a country, they would at least recognize coexistence!
Arafat was stealing money from USA's .aid !
4Tamashah 1 year ago
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When the people were Judaized mityahadim (Esther 8:17)--taking on the manners of the Jews, this did not make the awakened, political or religious converts Jews (Hebrews); at most it made them proselytes. However, the people we see from all the parts of the world today who are not Hebrews (including Orthodox Jewish and Rashi scholars) but yet call themselves Jews are no more Jews than the non-Hebrew people of Media and Persia who became Judaized in the time of Esther and Mordecai.
hesedken 1 year ago
Dr. Finkelshit has siblings????? Oh no..... did he just say he's Jewish??? you are not Jewish...... every single Jewish community in the world, including Israel has excommunicated you. Is he on drugs or something? He's talking so weird.
surferqueen29 1 year ago
@surferqueen29 lol, thats a pitiful attempt to take away his identity. you cant change his blood!
(why cant you stick to the usual remarks of anti-semite etc? lol)
pengo2007 1 year ago
@pengo2007 don't put words in my mouth. Thank you.
surferqueen29 1 year ago
@surferqueen29 how did I...? i bet you cant back up your comment. Im sure your aware that he's not the only Jew who realises that Judaism is NOT zionism. btw..."excommunicated" ? thats religious...many israelis are atheists, in fact before the theft that is known as 'Israel', the land was flooded with atheist socialist jews from europe.
pengo2007 1 year ago
@pengo2007 ok well, when you learn how to spell the word realizes correctly, we'll talk. Oh and Europe is with a capital E.
surferqueen29 1 year ago
@surferqueen29 your trying to hard to be smart. first of all, my spelling of "realises" is the UK English spelling. Secondly - and i'll put this down to your obvious adolescence - to side-step the micro-debate and make an issue out of capitalisation and spelling is pathetic, almost as pathetic as the way I'm still replying to your boring, irrelevant remarks that have nothing to do with this video or my comments.
pengo2007 1 year ago
@pengo2007 ok.
surferqueen29 1 year ago
@pengo2007 Zionism isn't Judaism ?! ROFL. Even the staunchest Neturei Karta believe the land belongs to the Jews, they're just waiting for the messiah to hand it to us. Well I am of the school that God helps those that help themselves. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a single prayer in which the return to Zion isn't a main theme. From the 3 daiuly prayers to grace after meals. On the other hand, Israel & Jerusalem are mentioned exactly zero times in the Koran. Let's cut the crap!
yone71 1 year ago
@pengo2007 I don't think Finkelstein is an anti-Semite .. I think he makes a living catering to the PC Islamo appologist/appeasing community .. a good living. I can post plenty of Arab Muslems who actually live in the region who will tell you just how happy they are with Israel & that their own people are used as political fodder for the Islamo community. That the Arabs in the territories are opressed far worse by their own than by Israel.
yone71 1 year ago
@pengo2007
finkelstein cannot be anti-semetic anyways.....its virtually impossible for him to be anti-semetic taking into consideration what he does and says
MCFan20000 1 year ago
@surferqueen29
first of all its not their right to excommunicate him....furthermore orthodox jews support him and his ideas
MCFan20000 1 year ago
@surferqueen29
I have to correct myself and say "many" orthodox jews surely suppoert him and his ideas
MCFan20000 1 year ago
Dr. Finkelstein is an honest & accurate jewish-american whom I respect very much. He tells the truth & because of that, most (not all) of his fellow jews cannot stand him. The real battles are currently being fought internally within the jewish community. The majority of jews are extremely pro-israel and extremely anti-Palestinian, however there is a good portion (perhaps 25%-30%) who are opposed to zionism and very much opposed to what israel is doing to the Palestinians.
jasaahae 1 year ago 6
Well put jasaahae!
I think there is a growing number (although probably still a minority) of Jewish people who come to grips with the reality of the conflict, and thats great to see. Along with Finklestein, Chomsky, Ilan Pappe, and Phyllis Bennis are all scholarly examples.
abbirro 1 year ago
More of Norman Finkelstein discussing the 4th Geneva Conventions and kicking ass on my Channel
Spread the word peace
LSRochon 1 year ago
its not just neturei karta that have same beliefs. Many orthodox (hasidic, haredi) jews. ar against zionism. they follow a strict adherence to Talmudic laws and teachings. There own bible told them God expelled them from Israel and cant return till God tells them. Forcing their way back is contrary to Gods word therefore they think Zionism for many reasons is wrong, Actually early zionists, many were and still are either secular or atheist, Zionism is very racist ideology Good riddance .
maxfedor1 1 year ago 4
Louck too on the internet links NETUREI KARTA
Ultraortodox GOOOOD JEWS Not zyionist !
barbarajakubowska 2 years ago
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Every nazilib who wants Israel destroyed is called a "truth teller".
The Islamics can kill all the Jews they want steal all the Jewish land and any Jew who dares to try and defend themselves is "evil" for staying alive.
How dare they stay alive when nazis like Finklstein and his evil supporters like the nazis and johadists and fake phony "religious" Jews like Neturi Karta , want the Jews dead.
tryingtoimprove 2 years ago
See also on the You Tube ¤ ¤ ¤ NETURELI KARTA ¤ ¤ ¤ A Very Good Rabays who took Truth ! They is NOT zyionist only Very God Human People who accept The Palestynia Naton. Who can make Peace into muslim and jews people . God Bles NETURELI KARTA ! :o)
barbarajakubowska 2 years ago
Barba: Ty, i have seen those clips b4. Very nice Muslim Jews. ThankU again
greenplanets 2 years ago 13
Ansv To greenplanets Thanks to you too :o) Barbara
barbarajakubowska 2 years ago
What happened to the clips titled " Norman Finkelstein : is criticism of Israel Antisemitic"?. (Jews trying to hide the truth!)
greenplanets 2 years ago 16
Jews??! Prof Normen Finkelstein is a Jew! don't generalise! besides how do you know its Jews?
dipzno1 2 years ago
dipxno:I did not want to say..... Jews with the wrong mission are responsible!. I think u r smarter than u sound.
greenplanets 2 years ago 13
greenplanets: sorry for accusing u of generalising, it sounded that way, but i think its better to qualify statements such as the one you made, its safer, if you know what i mean..peace...
dipzno1 2 years ago
Ansver to greenplanets See ont the You Tube NETURELI KARTA ! And write yours commentary !
barbarajakubowska 2 years ago
GOD BLES Prof: NORMAL FILKENSTEIN GREAT MAH WHO CAN TAKE TRUTH !
barbarajakubowska 2 years ago 5
@barbarajakubowska;
Prof NORMAL FILKENSTEIN :)) Thats funny. TY
yahazif 2 years ago 16
Norman Finkelstein you are an honourable and brave person .. god bless you
alprincetoronto 2 years ago 85
prof. finkelstein is great. Wish all jews were like him.
sammydario 2 years ago 45
@sammydario I wish all human beings were like him.
Quadcam 1 year ago
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Facinating how all the pro israel posts get removed. How very Muslem of yáll. No freedom of expression here i see.
yone71 2 years ago
you seem to have a lot of freedom of expression on this page.
umbanajooos 2 years ago
You know in the old testament a woman is turned into a pillar of salt, for sympathizing for the dead? To be clear said biblical event is actually worse then violating freedom of speech, it is a violation of freedom of though. So, you might as well say it's very Jewish or very Catholic of them. However i hope you don't say anything of that kind. It is rediculous to imply that any group of people is monolithic (like you did).
Jrotten11 2 years ago 6
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So you think that a story which can not be substantiated from 3+ millenia ago is the same as a cult which controls 1.4 billion people in 2009 not allowing it's members to question anything ?!
Do you realize how retarded you are ?!
yone71 2 years ago
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Jrotten11 2 years ago
Does the idea that there is a cult controlling one fifth of the earth's population, "not allowing its members to question anything", really seem plausible to you. If it does, kindly prove it.
Also, i assume you're aware of the old testament story where god tells abraham to kill his only son, the only reason being that god wants him to. After Abraham goes out to kill his son he's stopped, and infact rewarded for his blind obediance. Yone what do you think the point of that story is?
Jrotten11 2 years ago
This highly educated person is wise and attached to principles and manners, loves the fact of being a Jewish and proud of the messages conveyed on the prophets of Israel who were the chosen nation of GOD, seeming deeply and profoundly hurt by the Holocaust and refusing to apply the same........CONTINUED
lailadeal 3 years ago
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THE HOST is extremely irritating. Hmm. mm. uhhh. mmm. mmm. I'd lika to slappa him in his a stoopid faca.
mosfonotoc 3 years ago
Palestin never exist is the joke of century. And the autoctone people of Palestin?
According to their thinking if the Palestine never existed, then what to say to Israel? If the Jews never had a regular place fixed, especially after the diaspora that have spread throughout world?
I read all that you write, and all i can say is.
Zionism 'Faire Tales' brother, is the diference of the "history" of you study and me.
The "history" of Israel tell is not based on evidence or facts, but in pure faith.
schaukelkind 3 years ago 5
it is important to remember that the kingdom of Israel was never sovereign.Reigned for a short time. And the land is disputed, and was once belonged to Assyrian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, several other tribes and kingdoms during that period and soon afterwards returned to belong to the palestinians people.
schaukelkind 3 years ago
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The Kingdom of Israel was never sovreign ?! Who was it under ?! It belonged to the people you mention (Assyrians etc) after the Israelite rule. In fact the Jews where expelled for fighting for this land.
Who where the "Palestinian" people 2000 years ago ?! Funny thing is that until 67 what you call "palestinians" called themselves "Arabs" !! There is no proof that todays Palis where in any way shape or form in this land 2K years ago. Quite to the contrary. Back to the history books for you ...
yone71 3 years ago
have u ever read the bible ?? have you ever came across Philisitins in the bible ??
Exxen0Revolver 2 years ago
& what makes you think that the Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" tday have anything to do with the Biblical Philistines ... who were Greek?!
Before 1967 the "Palestinians" refered to themesleves as "Arabs" .. cuz they are Arabs.
I suggest that you study history before spouting off nonsense !!
yone71 2 years ago
Your history is corrupted ! as you MIGHT know that Arab are those who originaly came from Yemen , the rest are not purly arabs , Seems you dont know much about Sam and Kanaan ! go find out more about them and then come and talk !
Exxen0Revolver 2 years ago
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That's fnny since I have a degree in Middle Eastern history from an acredited university in the US of A. So you are saying that Arabs come from yemen & not Arabia. It would appear that you are quite the loon. It would of course make senxse that Arabs are from yemen as today it's a haven for terrorists. The USS Cole attack was no surprise.
Western historuians almost unanimously agree that there is no proof that today's "Palis" are decendants of the Philistines, Cananites, Edomites, etc etc.
yone71 2 years ago
I bet I could find historical documents also in a very famous university to counter claim your cherry picking historical claims. world truth is if you look for something you will find it no matter what it is.
inachu 2 years ago
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I don't think looing at every continent but Antarctica & seeing terrorism in the name of Allah within the last century to be "cherrypicking". I wonder if Muslems have realized that Emperor penguins are Kafirs
yone71 2 years ago
zionism is the evil in the planet, is corruptor of souls and nation
Wake up blind sheeps of the hell!!
Second, Israeli people(hebrew) is originary of "Ur", ancient Mesopotamia(current Iraq). When Abraham arrived in Palestine, found the Palestin people(philistins) and have to fight to achieve the land. Only in reing of David, the hebrew succeded conquer the Palestin. Read the "Torah", Bible or study history to learn this. So, Where is the birthplace of whom?
schaukelkind 3 years ago 5
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"Plishtim" which you basterdize as "Palestinian" means "invader" in Hebrew. They where Greek sea people. What you call "Palestinans" today are Arabs .. from Arabia. So it's clear that they are not the same people. In fact the Plishtim disappeared never to be heard from again so your argument is doubly hillarious.
Judaism's birthplace is Israel.
Islam's birthplace is Arabia.
Am I missing something ?!
yone71 3 years ago
@yone71 nope, your not missing anything, Your actually one hundred percent correct.
surferqueen29 1 year ago
I've seen an intelligent young man who, in other spheres of his life is kind, talking about how he and two others tortured a 14 year old shepherd to death by jumping on him, you know there is something sick and ugly in Israeli society - a mass psychosis.
This is the testimony of a refusenik who described how he and his friends would do these things and then go off duty and to a normal life with his family.
He said he couldn't understand why he didn't realise before that this was wrong.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 4
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You only see "refusniks". Fact ishat they are a minor minority in israel. The rest of us realize that those wanting us dead would not give the kind of mercy that these refusniks want to give.
The most interesting point is that you never said that it was IDF policy to torture or kill nor that this guy ever reported it. So your 'intelligent young man" is nothing more that a murderer. Love your ability to judge character.
So how are the aborigenes ? How are your raping Muslims in Australia ?
yone71 3 years ago
IDF know very well they have carte blanche to kill, main and torture Palestinians anywhere, anytime. They want you "dead" and yet the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli is conservatively, 5 to 1,
I see you characterise Muslims as rapists. How witlessly you reveal your vile hatred and prejudice. Israel was founded on rape, massacres, torture and ethnic cleansing, even the avowed Zionist Benny Morris has documented it. He believe all the Arabs should have been expelled.
Terrorism!
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 5
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Yet the IDF prosecutes it's own that have killed wrongly !!
That ratio is nothing considering how many plis are actively involved intrying to kill us.
I never said all Muslims are rapists grandma, so don't put anything in my mouth thnx! Fact is that the men who where commiting these rapes did so partly on religious reasons & they where Muslims !
You spew the same rhetoric I hear from all the PC airgheads. Do you all suck on the same Islamo-propaganda teet ?
yone71 3 years ago
Helen starts by saying there's something sick in Israeli society, without being very clear that *the same thing is wrong across the globe*.
But, if Israelis want fewer enemies, there are options available to you. Changed societies start with changed citizens, you can start
As you mention, Moslems have their own hostility problems to fix, but would you say, "why should I get a better job?" if your neighbor didn't? No, you'd want to be the best you could be as soon as possible.
givebirthathome 3 years ago
It has been hard for people who have knowledge of peace options to get their information out. Israeli anthropology professor Jeff Halper talks about this on his google video. Folks should realize there are options they are not even considering when they seem locked into bad situations. With billion dollar profits involved and the neurophysiology of fear, this is particularly the case with war. Encounter Point, Neve Shalom wahat al Salam,Patricia Sun, Fariha al-Jerrahi and Daniel J.Amit
givebirthathome 3 years ago
Without excusing the violence on either side in Israel, I want to point out that genocide, whether intentional or inadvertant, of indigenous people is/has been recently going on in Indonesia and South America. India seems to displace villagers for hydroelectric and simply leave them homeless. And popular Canada--just check out James Bay. Those people are just as devastated as Palestinians, but they have no big ethnic group worldwide backing their cause, as do both Israelis and Palestinians.
givebirthathome 3 years ago
Oh grandma. Don't ever debate an issue, just repeat lies. Does the IDF investigate & prosecute it's soldiers?! Yes ! So what is your point ?!
Question for you. When was the last time the PA or Hamas investigated & prosecuted a Pali that killed a Jew ?! I don't believe it's ever happened !!
So shut your stupid face you ignorant bigot. I wish you lived under Hamas' Islamic Sharia law ! You'd shut up fast guaranteed !
Your Islamic neighbors did rape in the name of Islam. Why are you blaming me?
yone71 3 years ago
The IDF occasionally investigate homicides by the IDF which are committed every single day, you Judeo-Nazi shithead. Once in a blue moon, some IDF thug gets a slap on the wrist. That's not justice you Judeo-Nazi little prick - that's a joke.
The Occupation is illegal, genocidal and Israel is a terrorist state.
Living in a military theocracy is pretty tough unless you're Jewish. And if you're Jewish and dissident it's tough too - you go to jail for refusing to break international law.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
So we agree that the IDF does have a body set up to investigate these actions. So do the Palis !! Yet noy once have they used it to investigate or prosecute their own who openly target our civilians. The term is bigot. Now go look in the mirror to comprehend.
NAZI ? The Palis where NAZIs during WW2 !! You really are retarded !!
The "occupation" is a result of no peace accord reached primarily because the Palis have no interest in it. So cram it grandma.
Thankfully we ignore dipsh!ts like you !
yone71 3 years ago
The IDF has a body set up to cover up and minimise the homicides, cretin, that's why so many massacres occur.
Unfortunately, for you the refuseniks and dissidents including former IDF like Breaking the Silence have exposed Israel's atrocities against Palestinian civilians in the Occupied Territories.
The Judeo-Nazi state has no interest in peace, that's why it bulldozes Palestinian homes in the West Bank to build Jews only settlements and steals more land and water every day
Terrorism!
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 2
Minimizing by sending our boys to prison. You truely are a twat ! No mention of the fact that not 1 Pali is prosecuted by Hamas or the PA for killing babys in baby seats, or sniping @ 2 year olds. You're disgusting grandma.
What massacres ?! The ones in our pizza shops, or Passover dinners. You are a bigot c&nt!
Refusniks make up less than 1% The left wing in Israel is 3% or less. If a Pali states that Israel has the right to exist etc he'd be killed. Yet this is what you support ! You idiot !!
yone71 3 years ago
You little Judeo-Nazi fuck. You think you can kill Palestinians and Lebanese in their own countries and then cry anti-Semitism when your crimes against humanity are exposed for the world to see - like the genocidal destruction of Lebanon.
Israel is a Nazi-style terrorist state and you are just an ignorant, uneducated, terrorism supporting coward.
Israel's human rights groups are doing a wonderful job but the nature of the Judeo-Nazi state is that Israelis aren't exposed to the truth.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
Why did we go into Lebanon idiot?! Cuz the PLO was shelling us & using it to send in terrorists. Like the ones that massacred 26 or so high school students in Ma'alot!! But it's ok to kill Jews, just not your precious Palis. Bigot!
I live here & don't ignore questions that I don't like. So whose the ignorant coward. I'd look in the mirror. Supporter of what is already an opressive Sharia regime. Idiot!
Glad you agree that our human rights movements have freedom to operate. Is that so in the PA?!
yone71 3 years ago
Dear Shithead,
That's not why you went into Lebanon. Israel has been bombing Lebanon since the 70's and deliberately targeting civilians. Zionist terrorism came first. Palestinian and Lebanese are retaliating against your genocidal invasions and occupations. You think only Zionist lives matter.
Get off Palestinian land. There are 500,000 illegal settlers in the West Bank you terrorist shitheads.
You illegally occupied Lebanon for 22 years and haven't left yet.
Justice for Palestine.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
Dear fuckface,
The PLO went into Lebanon in the 70s after their attempted coup in Jordan failed. Your ignorance of the history & facts of the conflict are shinning bright yet again !!
We deliberately target civilians ? You really are a quack. If we did that we wouldn't be spending a fortune on guided missiles. I know your friends don't use them when targeting me.
We don't have 1 inch of Lebanese land, this even according to the UN !! You truely are an idiot grandma!
Justice for all you retard !!
yone71 3 years ago
Any idea what the PLO was doing in Lebanon in the70s & early 80s ? Targeting Israel & killing Christians. Funny thing is that notyhing has changed !! Fatah, the PLOs postdecesor is still targeting Israel & still killing Christians, now in the West Bank. Hamas is no better. You sure know how to chose what to support you retarded old sheila.
yone71 3 years ago
The Palestinians under Occupation have no rights at all because the Judeo-Nazi state can bulldoze their homes, shoot their children, steal their land, their water, their food, their medicines and close down all their social services.
So, basically, no, I won't shut up you Judeo-Nazi little shit.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
The Palis in the territories don't get rights from Israel but rather from the PA & Hamas. But you are right, they are repressed. Christians are being killed for their faith & women are harrased for their attire. That's cuz both Hamas & Fatahhave declared that Palestine will be a Muslim state, Hamas stating it'll be Sharia. & this is what you chose to support you idiot ?!! You are retarded bigoted ignorant old c&nt grandma !!
Shut up or not means nothing as do you ! You are valueless !
yone71 3 years ago
All you've got, isn't it you Judeo-Nazi little shit - I'm older than you, I'm not a grandmother, although no doubt I will be one day.
I won't shut my face- Judeo-Nazi cretin, I have the right of freedom of speech- a basic human right which you Zionist goons oppose- naturally.
A Palestinian or a Jewish dissident living under the Judeo-Nazi state has their lives made intolerable by persecution and denial of their human rights. All the human rights agencies agree including the Israeli ones.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
All I've got? I've got Israel you loony old bat! I don't care what you shut. You're an inconsequential bigot who supports an opressive regime that would treat you like dog turd if you where a citizen. You're an idiot!
Newsflash. Israel is the country w/ the best free press, speech & religion record in the region. Again, you're a bigot! The only reasonthat there is human rights issues in the territories is that we are still @ war idiot! Israeli Arabs have the same rights as me!
yone71 3 years ago
You Judeo-Nazis have massacred tens of thousands in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories over the years and when you provoke retaliatory terrorist attacks you fall to pieces.
Don't think for one minute that you Judeo-Nazis can commit animalistic atrocities and you won't get a bit of your own back.
Israel is not a democracy - it doesn't have a free press - as Breaking the Silence and the refuseniks have proven - crimes committed in Occupied Territories are rarely hear about in Israel.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
Massacre is a weighted word luv. We haven't massacred anyone. If we massacred you'd know about it.
We provoke retaliatory terrorist attacks ?! What a bigoted ignorant old c&nt you are. No idea of the history of the place. Of the treatment of the Jewish community under Islamic rule. Blow me grandma!
I love it when you call me a NAZI as your Palestinians actually where NAZIs during WW2. Just another sign of your absolute ignorance on the subject.
Ha'Aretz is aleft wing paper printed daily. Idiot!
yone71 3 years ago
Don't take the moral high ground. The Judeo-nazi state has bombed all its neighbours and is planning an attack on Lebanon and Iran.
You haven't got the balls to do it without the U.S. you bunch of cowards.
You are still at war because you are stealing Palestinian territory. Arabs do not have the same rights as Jews in Israel. You can either vote for a party of Judeo-nazis or a party of Judeo-Nazis. Only Jews have full rights.
Palestinians have no rights in under the Judeo-Nazi state.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
For someone living on Aborigonal land you certainly don't have a leg to stand on. How do you sleap while the beds are burning ?!
All our neighbors have bombed us too you idiot!
Ever consider that Hizbulah is an Iranian proxy army you twat?! Iran has already attacked Israel repeatedly!!
Ever consider that the war w are still in was started by the Arabs ?!
15% of Israel's Parliament is Arab you ignorant whore!
So in short we have learned that you are an ignorant bigot grandma whore twat hypocrite
yone71 3 years ago
So now I'm a "whore" lol..naturally. Israel is a proxy army for the U.S. stupid.
The Zionist aim was always to ethnically cleanse Palestine and the Arabs knew it. Plan Dalet was no secret except to Israeli society, most of which prefers not to know the atrocities carried out in their name.
Iran has never attacked Israel you empty headed twit. You take U.S. weapons and use them to massacre civilians and then you cry "poor Israel" when you get a tiny fraction of your own back.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
I can only imagine that as stupid as you are you'd be a whore. So what does Islamo cock taste like?
It's hard to believe that we are ethnically cleansing anything when 20% of Israel itself is Arab. We have Arab soldiers, police officers, judges, members of Parliament, etc.
TheIDF makes our own tanks, planes (but now use F-16s), rifles, etc. Get your head out your ass grandma.
Fact is that if we treated the Palis as they do us they'd be dead ! Can you imagine salvos of rockets hiting Gaza daily?!
yone71 3 years ago
Iran hasn't attacke Israel ?! Who do you think arms, finances, & gives orders to Hizbulah ?! They are run out of Tehran. That's where Narsalah was trained. The Katyushas launched against Israel by Hizbulah are made in Iran !!
Palestinians target our civilians with daily rocket barages & attemts @ infiltrating Israel & you act surprised that we do something about it. Get this through your skull grandma, we ain't the old "shut up n take it" Jews you bigots like.
yone71 3 years ago
You Judeo-Nazis started the war in 48 with Plan Dalet which was formulated decades before. The Arabs knews what you were up to and tried to defend their Palestinians brothers. Tikvah Honig Parnass fought with the Hagannah and describes the expulsion of the Palestinians. Premeditated and genocidal
How has Iran attacked Israel you cretin? It has never attacked Israel you lying little creep. You take billions of dollars in U.S,. weapons for free and then want to blame Iran for arming your victims.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 5
Yes. Unlike almost all Western historians, you figured it out. We started the war of 48. We invited 5 armies to attack us ! You idiot, if we where trying to ethnically cleanse anything, how come Israel is 20% Arab ?!
Iran arms trains & funds some Guerillas, sends then to Lebanon & tells them to kidnap 2Israeli soldiers on Israeli ground & you think Iran never attacked Israel ?! Yet Israel is the US'proxy army ?! You really are a bigot. I was half kidding till now.
yone71 3 years ago
Big deal about the kidnapped soldiers. Israel holds another 10,000 Palestinians including children in illegal detention. You have massacred tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians
Israel is the aggressor in the region. Iran has the right to arm Hezbollah or anyone else who is resisting Zionist aggression
You don't complain about free weapons of mass destruction from the U.S Israel is just a client state of the U.S.
Give up U.S,. weapons and you might have a case to complain about Iran.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 7
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What do Palestinian prisoners have to do with a Lebanese militia ?! Unless you are saying that it's all the Muslims against Israel in which case it's 5 mill Israelis Vs 1.4bill Muslims .. & you call the Palis the underdogs ?!
Seeing as how Palestinian police disembowl israeli prisoners & throw their body parts into the cheering crowd, I wouldn't discuss illegal detaining if I where you .. unless you are willing to do so on both sides.
In short grandma .. blow me you ignorant old twat.
yone71 3 years ago
As I said, Israel is a totalitarian state because it has institutionalised torture, illegal detention, illegal occupation of Palestinian land where the indigenous people have no rights at all. No matter what the Arabs want they can only get a government of Judeo-Nazi terrorists or a party of Judeo-Nazi terrorists.
Israel is still at war because it steals territory every single day and is one of the most gross violators of human rights in the world.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
The Palis don't have institutionalized torture ?! LOL!! Perhaps you missed the people being tossed off buildings in Gaza by Hamas, the Palis elected reps !! Our soldiers detained by Hamas are not even allowed visits from the Red Cross & you speak of illegal detention?!
Have the Palis ever respected any borders ?! Never !! Cut the crap grandma !!
Israel doesn't give or take Pali rights. That's the PA & Hamas. So if you have issues take it up with them.
Lord you are an ignorant twat !! Go crochet!
yone71 3 years ago
See B'tselem for details of the institutionalised torture that is carried out as a part of everyday life in the Occupied Territories by the Judeo-Nazi Aggression Forces.
You are a vicious little Judeo-Nazi shit and as a former IDF I'm sure you've committed your share of atrocities. Breaking the Silence and the Refuseniks have described human rights abuses committed by the Zionists in detail as have other human rights groups.
How many have you killed you homicidal little shit?
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What you refer to as "torture"is only psychoological which is why when the US wants Iraqis tortured they send them to Arab countries !! No mention of the fact that the PA tortures routinely. I expect no less fgrom you.
I commited crimes ? You twat ! I sleep fine @ night. That's cuz I recognize exactly who I am dealing with. I feel bad for the many Palis that are great people, I'm sure, but they have horrid representation & some serious sociopaths around ruining the bunch.
yone71 3 years ago
You can't bear the thought of your victims being armed to defend themselves Israel wouldn't be able to commit its human rights abuses without U.S. weapons. Iran has every right to arm Hezbollah. As for the Red Cross you piece of filth,they condemn Israel's atrocities in no uncertain terms
You keep more than 20,000 people in illegal detention and as B'tstelem and other groups say, torture is a routine matter
Israel steals Palestinian land every day for Nazi style lebensraum
Terrorists!
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 5
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Any clue how many guns are in Gaza & the West Bank ?! Trust me, they are not unarmed. Besides, they don't want helicopters & jets cuz Israel would destroy them in conventional warcraft. Instead they prefer terrorist methods where they can target our civilians yet play the underdog card & get the simpathy of brain dead dipshits like you. I see it worked.
The Red Cross condemns Israel by what do they say about the organizations you so vehemently support.
Can you imagine a Pali B'tselem ?! Deadmen
yone71 3 years ago
Zionist terrorist groups had already demonstrated their plan to ethnically cleanse Palestine. You Judeo-Nazis have no respect for legal borders that's why you sneer at Resolution 242 and that's why you occupied Lebanon for 22 years and invaded Syria. You steal Palestinian land every day and then whine about the Palestinian resistance. You did start the war in 48 by prior massacres of Palestinians.
Israel holds 10,000 Lebanese illegally in its filthy dungeons, and tortures sadistically.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 5
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You really are that ignorant you old kook. UN242 does not call on Israel to return all land from wars. The guy who wrote it was quiet specific about this. So far in fact Israel has done nothing illegal as no peace accord is signed.
Killings of Arabs prior to 48 was a result of Arab attacks on Israeli farms etc. Explain the massacre of the Jewish community of Hebron in 1929 by the Arabs in which Jewish land was taken & has yet to be returned. I don't expect an answer you ignorant twat bitch
yone71 3 years ago
please shut the hell up and look at the 2 state solution, its been on the table for a long time, but Israël simply refuses
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Pocketass666 3 years ago
2 State solution is all I advocate numbnuts. Israel offered exactly this in 2000 @ Camp David but Arafat refused it. Besides, even a return to the 67 borders isn't enough for Hamas. They openly state that they will accept nothing less than all of Israel in Muslim control. So why are they so honest yet you so ignorant ? It's the Palis that have no desire for peace. Look @ Gaza. The day after we pulled out of it the Palis where targerting our civilians from it.
yone71 3 years ago
just look at the UN vote on de 2 state solution, I dont see Israel voting "for"
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it doesnt matter what you say, Israel has shown itself incapable of respecting its neighbours many times
go sprout your half-truths somewhere else yone71, nitwit
have fun in your weekly ADL jerk-circle
Pocketass666 3 years ago
There was a vote on a 2 state solution post 48 that Israel turned down ? Would love a link.
Actually Israel has peace accords with 2 of it's neighbors. Israel has also returned tons of land it didn't have to.
At least you believe half of what I say whereas I believe none of your drivel
Have fun @ your next NAMBLA meeting cock gobbler
yone71 3 years ago
Many Israeli politicians have until today accused Arabs and Palestinians of wasting a historic opportunity for partition in 1947. Yet when Arabs and Palestinians offered the Israelis recognition in areas larger than those of the 1947 Partition Plan, Israel wasted the opportunity for peace and continued annexing as much West Bank and Jerusalem land, with as little Palestinian population, as possible.
Have fun defending a bunch of facists, asshole
Pocketass666 3 years ago
The partition of 47 calls for Jerusalem to be an international city yet to this day the Palis claim the city as their own. Not 1 faction claims it as an international city. Even in 48 the Jordanians with Pali backing killed the Jews of the old city & destroyed the Jewish quarter. So you can cram your "48 border" crap. Not to mention that Hamas, the Palis' elected reps, openly admit that not 1" of israel being Jewish is ok under Islmic law. Why are they so honest & you so very very not ? Asshole!
yone71 3 years ago
Jeruzalem is ground gained by violence in the 6 day war (and therefor illegally occupied territory under the Geneva conventions), besides Livni has just failed to make a coalition because of the rightwingers that dont want to give any of Jeruzalem back! Dont act like the Zionists are the victim in this situation.
Ofcourse they tried to destroy them, what the hell would you do if a bunch of idiots started invading your country? Welcome them? You need more practice defending your terrorist state
Pocketass666 3 years ago
Actually Jerusalem (which Muslims have changed to Al Quds), was initially supposed to be an international city but Jordan (which is 70% Palestinian) kicked out/killed the Jews of the City in 48. They demolished the Jewish qurater. So let's not talk about land gained through aggression !!
Get this through your head. We ain't giving up Jerusalem. It's our Capital.
How do you invade a country where you have always lived & is your homeland ?!
PS. We aren't asking for your permission for anything !!
yone71 3 years ago
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How have we disrespected our neighbors when we have a peac accord with 2 or them ?!
Ever consider that taking your head out of your ass may help you see more clearly ?!
Did you have fun pumping kin this haloween ?!
yone71 3 years ago
this dicussion is over, have fun being a little kid that doesnt know anything
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Last I checked you haven't been able to contadict a single thing I said. This discussion was over before it began as you aren't actually here to discuss but rather to point your ignorant finger at me ... wich I really don't care about. Last I checked I live here in Israel & you in da Nederalnds. So cram your BS, nobody cares what you have to say.
PS. Please send my love to Mrs Ali. You can do so by writting it on a note, putting the note on a knife, & stabbing a director in the street with it 8)
yone71 3 years ago
that's because you are apparently too stupid to check, and your hissy fits show how you "dont care"
Pocketass666 3 years ago 6
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So how is Mrs Ali ?! Any directors getting stabbed in the streets of Holland for making a movie critical of Islam lately ?!
Look, we all know that you are an idiot. So just shut up & move along now little boy ...
yone71 3 years ago
Peace treaties with the leaders - I think the populations think differently.
chutzpah37 3 years ago
Yo Hell, guess who is the 2nd worst human rights violator after China ? Iran !! You have absolutely zero concept of Islam & what's going on out here other than the Islamo bullshit you regurgitate like a drone. Find something usefull to do with you time other than supporting regimes that would violate your rights given half a chance.
As for why we don't have peace Hamas is a lot more honest than you are! They state that even the 67 border is unacceptable & that the goal is Israel's anihilation !
yone71 3 years ago
go to hell you racist zionist pig!
XXXZaZaXXX1982 3 years ago 6
Hillarious !! A 1 state solution ?! You mean like Arafat suggested !! He also said that this would be best because it would destroy Jewish Israel using "the Arab womb". It would be demographic suicide. There is a reason the land was partitioned to begin with. It stops Muslims from abusing Jews as they routinely have & do.
yone71 3 years ago
"It would be demographic suicide"
"There is a reason the land was partitioned to begin with."
yeah the british thought the same thing when they banned jews from europe who wanted make aliyah.
look what you did to the pals you fucking hypocrites you attacked them off their land!!! now you think you can cry victimhood!
the land was partitioned because you zionists bullied the british and arabs with terrorism for a state!!!
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago 2
Yes the Brits where kissin Arab ass & refused Jews coming to Israel, even when it meant they retrned to Germany to be killed.
Palis didn't own most of the land. They where tenant farmers. Jews bought much of the land from landlords in Turkey. Some Palis did flee from fear. But others stayed & today 20% of Israel is Arab !
The land was partitioned by the UN & England abstained from the vote !!
Lord you are one naive & ignorant fool
yone71 3 years ago
bullshit!
the british knew what would happen if they did!
arabs owned in deeds 95% of the land prior 1947 jews 5%.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
why cant the pals return then if they left optionally?
those palestinians in Israel are treated like tolerated guests even though they were there before you or father or grandfather made aliyah from poland,russia, iraq, morocco or whatever.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
If you leave with the intention of returning once all Jews of Israel are dead than you made your bet & lost. You do realize that more Jews where expelled from Muslim lands around 1948 than there where displaced "Palestinians" !! Nobody talks about these Jews only about Palis. Point is .. we got over it .. so can you !! They can return to their land .. it's called Palestine and @ the moment it's @ war with a sovreign nation called Israel.
PS. Plenty of Jews are originally Israeli
yone71 3 years ago
"Muslim lands around 1948"
alot of them wernt kicked out and chose to leave for good.
nice rhetoric, what does that have to with the palestinians? did they kick them out?
would they have been expelled at all if their wasnt a conflict between zionists in Palestine?
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
& a lot of these Jews didn't choose to leave, but where expelled. I know several such families, not all of whome moved to Israel. So it looks like there are still more Jews expelled than Palis displaced circa 1948.
So you think Islam can do anything to Jews but the reverse should be condemned ?! How amazingly Muslim of you !
Jews in the Middle East have been abused long before 1948 luv !!
yone71 3 years ago
"& a lot of these Jews didn't choose to leave, but where expelled"
name these countries?
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
I'll name 2 since I have friends from both that will 1st handedly coroborate that they where expelled. Egypt is one, & many of these Jews did not choose to go to Israel but rather France & the US so no retarded feedback about "they wanted to go to Israel" that I hear ignoramuses spewing. The other country is Iraq where Jews where actually hung in public squares without trials. You are so very ignorant of Muslim history. About a million Jews where uprooted yet it's you that still bitches.
yone71 3 years ago
Egypt...woundnt suprise me.
Iraq?...
perhaps they had it bad but how come jews were smuggled in secret out thats not the same? if they were ALL expelled how come until 2003 atleast 100 jews remained?
You named 2 countries out of 21 arab nations so you just prooved your own lies.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
Wether Egypt surprises you or not, it's a fact. Same with Iraq. In fact LubedNun, more Jews where expelled from Muslim countries circa 1948 than there where displaced Palis !!
I told you that I would only name 2. I could have name Libiya, etc etc but thought 2 was enough.
Does every Jew have to be expelled for it to be a general expultion ?! You claim Palis where expelled yet 20% of Israel is Pali !!
You truelly are a twit
yone71 3 years ago
"...Jews in the Middle East have been abused long before 1948 luv !!"
Zionist Terrorism has existed long before 1948 bitch :P
How arrogantly zionist of you?
lets not forget how your civilized western
christian breathen treated you.
You should remeber, because its the reason why half your population fled from europe like rabbits!
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
Tell me when "Zionist terrorism" started sharmuta. I guarantee you that this was started by Muslim Arabs.
The fact that the Church opressed us horribly in Europe doesn't mean that Islam didn't as well. You really are that arrogant & ignorant. Amazing !
Ever wonder why European Jewery didn't escape to Islamic countries during all those centuries of European abuses ? Perhaps it's because Islam was only marginally better to us !! Islam has killed & force converted us just like Christianity luv
yone71 3 years ago
IRGUN,LEHI,HAGANNAH
before you call them resistance fighters tell that to families of their victims.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
All of these organizations where formed to defend Jews of Israel against Arabs. You do realize that as early as 1921 Arab uprisings massacered Jews. In 29 this happened again & again in 33. There is no question that Arab terrorism was the catayst to these movements, none of which exist today. Hamas is a terrorist organization targeting civilians & what are they doing today ? Ahh yes, representing the Palis.
You truely are a twit
yone71 3 years ago
BULLSHIT!
YOU FUCKING TERRORIST LOVING SCUMBAGS!!!
name one arab terrorist prior 1947?
in that case they should of spent their energies on defending jews against the nazis!!! instead of kicking arabs out of their homes and bombing buses!
the more I listen to you zionist pigs the more I feel like vommiting.
Hamas didnt exist in 1947 or 67 so using them as a scape goat is bullshit!
You elected Menechem Begin a terrorist respsonsible for the 46 king David Hotel bombings which killed 91 ppl.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
* name arab terrorist organization
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
Do you really need organizations when the mosques & leaders are telling the general population to kill Jews .. which is exactly what happened.
1929 the Arab citizens of Hebron killed 67 or so Jews most of whom had lived there for generations. They raped, maimed, & interestingly enough stole these Jews' land which has yet to be returned.
You are truely a twit
yone71 3 years ago
The IDF are busy killing Palestinians every single day. Israel is seizing food, medicine and closing schools, soup kitchens, health clinics and charities in the West Bank.
Look up B'tselem or Amnesty for details of Israel's rape, torture, maiming and murder of Palestinians.
Israel has annexed 50% of the West Bank and IDF terrorists roam the area indiscriminately killing. Just for fun!
"Peace will come to Israel and the Middle East when Israel accepts its legal borders."
Jimmy Carter
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
The IDF kills Palestinians every day /! Who did we kill yesterday ? The day before ? In fact the IDF is 1 of the most restrained forces on the planet.
I have looked up the B'tselem & Amn Int pages. Frankly Israel comes out smelling like roses. How about looking up the reatment of Jews by Arabs up to 1948?!
Israel hasn't annexed anything near 50% of anything.
Jimmy Carter is an ignorant well meaning twat.
PS. I see you're an Aussie. Any Muslim gang rapes of locals lately ?!
yone71 3 years ago
I'll gladly name an Arab terrorist. How about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who started the slaughter of the Jewish community in 1929, & who asked Hitler for help in killing all the Jews of the Middle East. Besides being the leader of the Muslim community of Palestine he was also Arafat's uncle.
You're complaining to us about bombing buses ? ROFL ! That's your MO
The PLO existed prior to 67 yet only focused on killing Jews & not a bit about creating a Pali country
Read about the King David !
yone71 3 years ago
Grand Mufti was a Racist not a Terrorist.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
What exactly is the difference between telling people to target civilians & terrorism ?! In the end 68+ Jews lay dead in Hebron not to mention the ones maimed, castrated, raped, etc. All on the word of the Grand Mufti who made it clear that he wanted not just palestines Jewery dead but that of the entire Middle East. As far as I'm concerned, if you target civilians, you're a terrorist.
yone71 3 years ago
"Islam has killed & force converted us just like Christianity luv".
We had our bad times we had our good times.
Force? My great great grandmother was a Lebanese Jew and she converted to Islam nobody forced her so you shut your mouth because you seriously dont know your talking about.
You Zionist European Jews should of stayed in Europe. Some of you are worse than Hitler.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
You have had/are having many more bad times than good MissLubedNun.
The fact that your grandmother is an idiot is neither here nor there. The fact that less than 200 years ago all the Jews of the capitol of Iran @ the time where forced to convert or die speaks volumes.
Why would we stay in Europe when Israel is our homeland ?! To appease your retarded cult ?! Blow me !!
At least we didn't colaborate with Hitler like the Palis did. Look up "Grand Mufti + Hitler"
You truely are a twit
yone71 3 years ago
"The fact that your grandmother is an idiot is neither here nor there."
Shut your mouth you filthy racist zionist war-mongering piece of shit!!
JEW ISNT A RACE KEEP DREAMING!!!!
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
"Shut your mouth you filthy racist zionist war-mongering piece of shit!!"
There's that famous Islamic freedom of speach & thaught again.
You truely are a twit
yone71 3 years ago
I wonder if you european Zionist fags had never moved to Palestine like gypsies and hadnt created your terror organizations like Lehi and Irgun.
What a beautiful place Palestine could of been and Bagdad which was 40% jewish.
Also we wouldnt of had a Civil war in Lebanon because we wouldnt of had a PLO.
you zionists dont deserve to be called jews your nothing but war-mongering selfish criminals who constanly lie.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
You mean that Muslems would have been able to continue to abuse the minorities here in Palestine.
Bagdad wad 40% Jewish & now only 100 Jews remain. Wonder what could have happened.
You blame the fact that Muslims where killing Christians in Lebanon & the Christians faught back on Israel ?! You must be dumber than you look. Thanks for admiting that the PLO was/is a violent entity even outside Israel.
Some Zionists are Jews some aren't. Deal with it
You truely are a twit
yone71 3 years ago
before you start on the whole anti-muslim crusade.
I seem to remeber you kicking palestinians out their homes.
you zionist pigs!!!!
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
cont.*kicking palestinian Christians out of your homes.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
At the moment Palestinian Muslems in the West Bank & Gaza are way busier bullying, opressing, & even killing the native Christians than we have ever been.
You truely are a twit.
PS. Your grandma is an idiot & I see that the apple's apple hasn't fallen far from that tree
yone71 3 years ago
She was not an Idiot! Just not a racist arrogant Zionist pig such as yourself.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
you zionists really love Palestinian Christians dont you? funny plenty of them in your jails. Also its not like you dont loot their land in Ramallah and Bethlehem to build your fucking illegal settlements now is it?
LOL
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago
1) I only say that your G-Ma was an idiot bcause she converted to Islam. I would not have had a problem with any other religion.
2) If you do something wrong you go to jail, even if you are a Pali Christian. Still beats killing them in Gaza & setting their homes on fire in the W Bank.
3) We have settlements in Ramalah? The closest thing is BeitEl which is outside the city. As for Bethlehem, the closest thing is Tekoa again outside the city.
You have yet to explain to me the 29 Hebron Massacre
yone71 3 years ago
I guess that's why you Zionists enjoy killing Muslims.
Israel makes its terrorist Prime Minister. As for freedom of speech, Israel deports its critics and won't allow the U.N. Special Rapporteur for Human Rights to enter the occupied territories or even Israel.
So much to hide!
Mekorot is cutting off water to the Palestinians in the West Bank to give the settlers swimming pools.
Genocide by any means.
Israel spends billions on war, while Holocaust survivors go hungry.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
So much hate from such an ignorant old lady Helen. Get a life!
Israel does not enjoy killing anyone, otherwise this issue would have been dead long ago. Are you saying that Palis don't enjoy killing Israelis?
I know plenty of reporters in the area & all say that handsdown Israel is the ost open press zone in the region. Even our own newspapers criticize the govt when they want! What are you babling about?
Any ideas how any water sources the Palis have poluted beyond use?
"Genocide"?! ROFL!!
yone71 3 years ago
C'mon look at your own human rights groups who say the complete opposite. The occupation is illegal, you moron. You've been fed Zionist bile since birth.
I've spoken to refuseniks who have said that torture is an everyday occurrence in the Occupied Territories.
Get out of Palestinian territory you Judeo Nazi psychopaths.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 2
These are human rights organizations we let operate. They are not "ours" 97% of the country is not fooled like these people are.
The occupation is actually quite legal according to both UN242 & the fact that no peace accord has been reached .. you moron. You have been fed PC bullshit for to long.
Torture can't be an everyday occurence in Gaza as we are not in Gaza yet the rockets fall on our civilians daily.
Get you head out your ass you silly naive sharmuta. You have no clue about this land
yone71 3 years ago
What a shame the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories have no freedom of speech or any other right for that matter. You Judeo-Nazis are starving them, bulldozing their homes, herding them into ghettoes.
You're full of Zionist shit. Look up B'tselem for the water crisis faced by the Palestinians in the O.P.'s.
Your own newspapers never tell the full story from the Palestinian side, tha't why you're full of lies about their polluting water sources. You jail dissidents and deport critics.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 2
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If Palis don't have freedom of speaach it's cuzof Hamas & Fatah. They have burial proceedings where people call for Israel's death & shoot off AK-47s. Again .. what'cha babling about now Helen?
Our own newspapers are free to post what they choose. Ha'aretz is the most Left wing rag. You might want to check there for the stories you want to hear.
It boggles the mind how misguided you are. What a hypocrite. Living on aboriginal land & pointing @ me. You are truely a twit
yone71 3 years ago
For one thing I wasn't alive when the British were colonising Australia. Israel's colonisation of Palestine is ongoing and genocidal. Kooris have equal rights under the law, unlike Palestinians. Our Prime Minister has apologised for past crimes and steps have been taken to compensate the victims
Peace activists are regularly denied entry to Israel and the OP's by the terrorist state
Israel jails its dissidents who refuse to enforce an illegal occupation -refusing to disobey international law
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 4
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I wasn't alive in 48. So what ?! You are living on stolen land & pointing @ others. Hypocrite.
"Genocidal" . ROFL .. The Palis #1 problem is overpopulation !!
Israeli Palis do have equal rights. Palis don't but they aren't Israeli. Talk to Hamas & the PA about that !!
Where is the Palis apology for their past crimes ?!
This country is 3% Left Wing & peaceful protesters are always here. Just don't obstruct. This is the freeset press inthe area bar none.
yone71 3 years ago
Same old swill. The Palestinians are not human, they enjoy killing unlike the Zionists who are all sweetness and light as they occupy other peoples' territory, kill their children in the streets, bulldoze their homes, torture them,ethnically cleanse them.
Palestinians polluting water - Israel has diverted water from the Palestinians, look up B'tselem for details you, little turd.
You jail your dissidents moron, you deport your critics. Zionists call for the sinking of the Free Gaza vessel!
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 3
Find me 1 place where I said Palis aren't human!! But so are we & we deserve to live unmolested by Islamo-totalitarianism.
We are no longer in Gaza so why are they sill attacking us?! Cuz you know nothing you old rag. This is about the anihilation of the Jewish state. Hamas is honest about this at least unlike you.
Israel has diverted water. That doesn't mean hat the Palis haven't poluted their water sources.
Just passed a protest today. Nobody was jailed. Whatcha babling about now Helen ?
yone71 3 years ago
Zionsim equals Nazism.
helenbransgrove 3 years ago
Funny you should say that Hellen you ignorant Aussie. Fact is that Israei Arabs 920% of Israel's population) have the same rights as Isaeli Jews. More importantly is the fact that while Jews faught against NAZIs alongside the Brits, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the leader of the Muslim Palestinians, was busy kissing Hitler's ass. He asked Hitler to help kill the Jews of the Middle East & even set up 2 fully Muslim SS units!
So in fact you will find it's not Zionism that = Nazism.
g'day mate
yone71 3 years ago
"It is my considered opinion that the State of Israel is a racist state in the full meaning of this term. In this state people are discriminated against in the most permanent and legal way and in the most important areas of life, only because of their origin. This racist discrimination began in Zionism and is carried out today mainly in cooperation with the institutions of the Zionist movement." Professor Israel Shahak, Holocaust survivor and Chairman of Israeli League for Civil and Human Rights
helenbransgrove 3 years ago 2
It's great that this guy considers this, but in fact he is merely a chairman of a Left Wing group like Be'Tselem. A naive peon with no clue that the Palis have no intention of living peacefully with Jews (Hamas' leaders' own words). he nice thing is that Israel allows these groups to operate & we don't kill them. Try saying that Israel has every right to exist in the Palestinian territories. Hope you have your affairs in order.
yone71 3 years ago
Seriuosly though Heen. How are the Aborigenees doing you old hypocrite hag ?! Oh yeah. Any new gang rapes in Australia by roaming Muslim men ?!
Get your head out your ass you naive old twat of a hag.
yone71 3 years ago
Palestine was 15-40% christian so what are you talking about?
Palestinian Christians hate you just as much as the muslims do.
MissLoubnan2008 3 years ago