Again you missed the "Draw" and use john 6:44 out of context the draw is Jesus being crucified clearly stated by Jesus John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." ... TRY ACTUALLY READING THE SCRIPTURES instead of cherry picking verses !!
silly Calvinists read the scripture stop leaning on the understanding of the man Calvin he hated the letter of James because it disproves his academic fables .... Repent Jesus loves you stop spreading false doctrine
James 2:21 Wasn't Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 2:22 You see that faith worked with his works, and by works faith was perfected; 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness;" and he was called the friend of God. <--- again Abraham chose to obey he could have disobeyed the instructions from God but he chose to obey and it was "accounted to him as righteousness"
James 1:5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it will be given to him. <--- you need to ask for it God doesn't force it on to people asking is your action.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. <--- being drawn away is the result of the individual giving into his own lust not the pre-ordination of God as Calvinists falsely presume
Jesus says we are born again without the will of man being involved. <----- scripture to back this or is it one of those assertions Calvinists make up ? God gave the scripture for us to follow he does not force us to obey we either decide to obey and draw near to God or we disobey and leave the narrow path for the broad path to destruction .... Scripture is clear on this
Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your seed;
30:20 to love Yahweh your God, to obey his voice, and to cleave to him; for he is your life, and the length of your days; that you may dwell in the land which Yahweh swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. .... God clearly gave all individuals a choice to make to choose to obey co-operate or to choose to dis-obey not cooperate ... you should drop the calvinist propagandist writings and get your eyeballs on the scripture !!!
@rsd615 The saved man has been born twice.He was born the 1st time without his permission or help & Jesus says we are born again without the will of man being involved.The baby cries only after his birth,the man only cries out to God after his New Birth.
wow typical Calvinist behavior ... you take a sound bite out of context and then use scripture out of context to prove your opinion ... you misused the John ch 6 quote by ignoring this spoken by Jesus himself in John ch12.... 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." ... ALL MEN ARE DRAWN not Some as you calvinists falsely postulate .... and of course you must ignore this passage from James in order to refute synergism ... James 2:21 - 2:24
Boy what a mess. What this Skelly guy is saying is just a bit off but this video, as a correction is a total mess. There aren't many verses that were brought up that had anything to do with the issue. It's a hack job of a video.
Ever wonder why God describes salvation as the new birth or "Born Again?" Why does he say "Born Again?" Is there synergism between an unborn infant and the mother to cause natural birth? Does the infant deliberate and choose or is there just birth? Can an infant refuse to be born naturally? So it is with being "Born Again" No approval, no contemplation, no choice, no refusal. There is simply the gift of new birth. Not of ourselves, the will of the flesh or the will of man.
Pray for yourselves because YOU'RE the ones lead astray.
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have LONGED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but YOU were not WILLING." matthew 23:37
Man has a free will and can choose to accept or reject the gospel.
If God doesn't work "with" people, give me an explanation of Matthew 13:58
It's not to say God *needs* us in any sense... it's just to show how faith can allow/not allow miracles to happen, something to think about?
Here's another one for the ones who claim God doesn't work "with" us--read Daniel 10:1-14--- you would claim that
God sent an angel to answer his prayer, and then at the same time decreed a demon to take captive the angel for 21 days until Michael could arrive LoL it's
This can also be looked at (from the Arminian point of view)as,without man's FREE WILL,God is powerless to save anyone,so with man it's impossible and it's also impossible with God,unless of course man allows it.
What I really want to ask is, do you deal with other Christians most of the time? I'm Christian and I'm not saying (who's wrong or right) but I talk to many atheist and I'm starting to think, God does pick some and not others. Take one week of your time and check out what's out there...Your videos will change, the things said about God and Christ by mean people, will burn right into your heart...I'm on the front lines a lot, Christians need to start talking about Christ now!!!
GOD IS THE GOD OF ORDER TO ALL CHURCHES AN SAINTS. WE MUST BE CAREFUL IN REGARDS TO DOCTRINE AND WHAT WE BELIEVE. BECAUSE IF WE BELIEVE WRONG DOCTRINE IT CAN AND WILL COST SALVATION:
2JN 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2JN 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Calvinists believe Once saved Kept Saved. ( Pet 1::3-6) We CANNOT lose our salvation because God KEEPS us in the fold. Your God does not love you because he lets you stray.
You still have given NO evidence that Gnostacism was Calvinism.
Calvinism does not teach that man's flesh is sinful perse, though that is the result. When God created man he was PERFECT and HAD FREEWILL. It was only through his disobediance that HIS NATURE became sinful and his will ENSLAVED to sin and his own sinful desires. Flesh has become sinful through the fall.
Mark, the flesh has nothing to do with the will other than be a holy or unholy influeces. Even if you have a sinful nature your free will can still obey or disobey your nature. In Romans 1 it says homosexuals do things that are AGAINST NATURE.
Yes, it is against nature for someone to have sexual desire for the same sex. However, the bible does teach that man HAD a freewill. He was created perfect. But when he fell his will became enslaved to sin.
among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
It doesnt say we were born conducting ourselves in the lust and fulfilling the desires of the flesh. Desires or lusts are not sinful when sin is complete. We all have temptations and dispositions. But our natural conscience tells us sin is wrong.
Calvinism teaches only elect forced by irrisistable call of God
Gnostics believe divine revelation to them(the chosen) about flesh is sinful and the soul is good.
"To the deservedly happy church at Ephesus...MARKED OUT SINCE THE BEGGINING OF TIME FOR GLORYUNFADING & UNCHANGING.
(Ignatius' letter to the ephesians 108 AD)
Are you going to tell me that the early christians did not believe in election, not to mention you misrepresented our position. Forced? Freewill is a lie!
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Gosh Mark I looked at your your intro this time and it made me think of the phrase "Satanic productions presents in association with DefendingSatanism". Just a mere coincidence.
the just shall live by FAITH....BUT if any man draws back....i will have NO PLEASURE in Him.
Calvinism Does trump synergism but really all you are saying is God's will trumps any choice (grace) you and i will ever get. I still believe in the END GOD CHOOSES. In him we live move and have our being. NOTHING OUTSIDE HIM!
"It has been announced to you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To do justice and to love mercy" Micah 6:8
"I have set before you the way of life, and the way of death. Choose what is good and walk in it" Deut.30:15
I guess you dismiss the early Church teachings such as Origen's work "On First Things" where he battled the heretical teachings of Calvinism, sorry I mean gnosticism. No, same thing.
Why should we pray for Kerrigan if his fate is already predetermined?
This is the same cowardly attack pelagians love to give. When you ask them sow how calvinism is gnosticism, they run. The early church Fathers taught Once saved Kept Saved, Total depravity, and yes, Limited atonement. You cannot tell me that you Ignatius of antioch was a pelagian.
Also, I quoted nothing but scripture in this video. You have not responded to anything. REPENT of your works rightousness gospel!
Mark, that's all they love to do. Hit and run, or do all sorts of unjustified name-calling. If we confront them with Truth, they can't handle it. I hate to sound crass, but they're wusses.
Find a few out of context verses and twist them. Then ignore passages that don't fit your theology and refuse to study. You'll believe like Skelly in no time.
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Synergism is not totally true either because if GOD DOESN'T INITIATE GRACE....THEN YOU AIN'T GOING....BUT SOME CAN KNOW THE TRUTH AND STILL TURN....BUT I GUESS IN THE END..GOD ULTIMATELY DIDN'T WILL THEM INTO HIS KINGDOM EVEN IF THEY GOT SO CLOSE. GOD's WILL TRUMPS ANY CHOICE WE GET SO....
FEAR GOD....SALVATION....WORK IT OUT WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING....
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First of all the TRINITY IS FALSE UNDERSTANDING OF THE GODHEAD....GOD is ONE SPIRIT...NOT THREE (if you say three persons...you are saying three spriits) OBVIOUSLY WRONG...GOD IS OMNIPRESENT. Jesus is the FATHER (Isaiah) God's words from HIS HEART!
Him"SELF" in essence you could say that GOD has no self because HE and His Kingdom are SELFLESS. He was incased in FLESH right? His HOLY Spirit was placed/incarnate into flesh to endure like we endure (emotions, suffering, etc.) Yet He could never fail because HE IS GOD/PERFECT....STILL HE FELT everything. He abandoned His"SELF" for us...for a moment He was the "ONLY FORSAKEN/BEGOTTEN", so WE can LIVE! Phi 2:7&8 & Heb 2:7
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if you are trying to argue the TRINITY sorry, God isn't three SPIRITS in one...HE IS ONE PERSON/SPIRIT...it's just as easy to believe in the omnipresence and amazing way that God could separate Himself from Himself to accomplish His perfect will for himself and us. Three spirits doesn't make sense but for academics who know the letter without HIS Spirit (DEAD)...it is a good effort.
The answer to your question is the SAME. We HOPE in salvation, so NONE can boast!
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now, now.....your sarcasm gives your spirit away....no love.....
NOT to mention "personalities???"
if you so desire, continue to preach to people that God has split personalities.....i guess the false doctrine of the establish"MEN"t...NOT the REAL CHURCH....has seeped it's way deeper into many more minds that i thought!
The letter is DEAD without the Spirit (Grace)!! God opposes the proud and only reveals the truth of the scriptures to babes...not the cunning and sopisticated (ACADEMICS)!
There is no love on your part misrepresenting our doctrine. Also, what do you have against ACADEMICS? You can be fully educated and be humble about it. I guess you poster boy David Bernard is on his way to hell?
"And God said, Let Us make man in Our Image." (Genesis 1:26). Why the Plural? because God is plural. but it is also singular. how can we think of this? Well 1 John 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in Heaven [about Jesus], the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE ARE ONE." (the CAPS was done by me). see the emphasis? Think about a football team. they are all individuals. but when they come together as a team, they are considered "one."
(cont) when you refer to a team, you refer to it as "it" not "they." this is just simple, correct grammar. however, IT is made up of THEM. the same is true for God. The only difference is that God is LITERALLY one being AND three separate ones at the same time. crazy and impossible to understand...but that's the crazy coolness of God. :) His ways truly are higher than ours.
Genesis is WEAK...verses 1-25 say God did this, God said that....SINGULAR
Then 1 verse (26) says "US" & you ASSUME it's THREE SPLIT PERSONALITIES of GOD operating as ONE talking to each other telepathically and agreeing....I thought so too...BUT
MAYBE JUST MAYBE God was talking to His angels, heavenly hosts, creation???? READ 1 Corinthinans 12:11
1 John 5:7 i will give you credit....this scripture AGAIN like all others cannot be understood by JUST reading it JUST as Matt. 28:19.
The Father is the heart of God...from which flows His Word, which IN TURN is CONFIRMED as being from God by HIS POWER & PRESENCE (Spirit). 1 GOD manifesting in 3 ways to SHOW US HIS CHARACTER! You have a heart right? Out of your heart your mouth speaks right? Then if you have ANY character you will back it up with ACTION (power/ presence). SIMPLE HUH? 2 bad satan decieves the WHOLE WORLD (me too, now coming out) through FALSE RELIGION (people going TO church, INSTEAD of BEING THE CHURCH).
FALSE DOCTRINES....because they only know the TEXT but the TEXT is DEAD TO THEM because they DON'T HAVE THE SPIRIT to reveal the HEART (Father) behind the WORD.
This was ROME creation as they desimated the TRUE CHURCH and BECAME THE CONTROL AND AUTHORITY FOR THE PEOPLE...REPLACING GOD! Hebrews 8
LOL.....i'm not boasting...just sharing what God has shown me....what should i do boast about how much TEXT of the bible i know or how FLESHLY i am INSTEAD? You may destroy me in a contest of scripture and verse....but God reveals His heart behind His Word to WHOM HE DESIRES. Scribes and Pharisees thought they had salvation in the scriptures.
This system SEEMS to have reformed itself over the years...BUT ALAS....IT WAS AND NEVER HAD BEEN GOD's just inventions of MAN and FLESH with JESUS sprinkled throughout! Time to WALK by HIS SPIRIT (SINGULAR). Only the SPIRIT can save us from this BY GRACE (God calling us out and opening our eyes)! In LOVE brother.
You are misrepresnting the doctrine of the trinity. The bible says "God is spirit". That is His nature. These 3 PERSONS (not spirits) Share the same divine nature. You realize that you cannot defeat trinitarianism so in order to do so you have to misrepresent it.
i'm not misrepresenting it.....IT HERESY! A person IS a spirit! Check your dictionary. You're right i'm not trying to convince you or defeat a false doctrine....just share the TRUTH of God's oneness and God will choose who's eyes to open and close. I don't care about being right (pride) i just don't want to be wrong!
Good scripture but OOPS...you missed something...."GOD is SPIRIT".....not "GOD is SPIRIT(S)"
Hey i'm not a synergist and if the trinity doctrine is exclusive to calvinism....i'm not that either.....I'm Baptized in God's HOLY Spirit....the same HOLY Spirit that was in Christ (God in Flesh).....are you Denying that Jesus was God's Spirit in a physical body?
Jesus is the Word of God. He is God(John 1:1). The Word manifested in the flesh(John 1:14). All things were made through Him(John 1:10) How much clearer can this be?
So simple even a Calvinist can understand. However Your arguing against your own faith because Oneness teaches that the Word was not a Person until bethlehem. The Word was simply a plan or an Idea. blasphemy!!! THE WORD ALWAYS EXISTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONENESS is heresy. The personhood and the work of Christ is a key essential to the faith. Denying the deity and person of Christ is more like denying the grace of God and work of christ on the cross.
No one is denying Christ's (God's) work. But you can't get your head around God being OMNIPRESENT and playing different roles but STILL being ONE @ the same time. SO the trinity is your best EDUCATED guess. God's foolishness is greater than EARTHLY WISDOM!
The key theme of the Bible is that God is love by nature loving righteousness and hating unrighteousness(Hebrews 1:8-9). The Son is the unltimate revelation of the Father.(John 14:9). and elsewhere it says
1 Corinthians 2:11 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
The Holy Trinity is not an educated guess. It's a clear teaching of scripture. If the Spirit of God indwells every believer and Word of God abides in every believer(with Jesus being the Word), God dwells in every believer. Father,Word and Spirit-these three are one.
I cannot agree without...even the apostles knew ONE LORD, ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTISM. Father, Word, & Spirit ARE three manifestations of God but as we read in scripture ONLY show His omnipresence...don't complicate it with three persons/spirits....that is to say THREE TOTALLY SEPARATE GODS who become ONE. Doesn't fit!
You know over and over again it is explained to you that we do not believe in seperate Gods. If you want to debate that the bible does not teach that there are 3 seperate distenct persons that is one being . That is fine lets dissciss that. But what most oneness do is create a straw man saying we worship 3 gods. Also you and other oness proponents are shown we do not teach there are 3 Gods yet you still hold to your claim. Do you hold to this becuase that is your only argument?
If you have 100 devout Christians filled with the Holy Spirit of God. There are 100 persons that share the same Spirit. Many persons yet one Spirit. You dont say there are 100 holy SPirits.
ROM 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
ROM 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1COR 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
If you teach Trinity doctrine that IS EXACTLY what you are teaching! It teaches three persons/spirits operating as one....even jews and muslims know God is ONE!
I don't look to ANY MAN for theology....theology is DEAD LETTER without SPIRIT....WASTING YOUR TIME. That is why you argue and debate....wasting time arguing your take on the TEXT. I repent for debating with you all more than i should have and other than the trinity doctrine we pretty much see eye to eye. God opened my eyes so i know He is faithful to those He chooses. May His will be done!
I feel that Calvinists and Arminians both have this wrong. I feel that Calvinists are right that justification comes through grace alone (monergism/irresistible grace), but fails to address participation. Arminians address participation through synergism, but become heretical on their teachings on justification. The laws is a great example:
Under justification we are are unjust to the law, but under participation it is what draws us nearer to the Father.
I will agree that in testimonials that I hear people who quit drinking, quit swearing, treated their families better, ect. and link that to the enabling grace through the Holy Spirit (which I know is doctrinal in reformed theology). However, Jesus taught that if we loved Him, we should keep his commandments which makes me believe that participation is active on both parts, but justification does not come from our deeds.
Now a lot of questions concerning enabling grace lies in the idea of both total depravity and predestination. Are we active participants through grace alone because of a predestined election or through active efforts? I have been looking at Lutheranism recently so I see a water downed version of monergism and unconditional election (predestination).
Again you missed the "Draw" and use john 6:44 out of context the draw is Jesus being crucified clearly stated by Jesus John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." ... TRY ACTUALLY READING THE SCRIPTURES instead of cherry picking verses !!
rsd615 2 months ago
silly Calvinists read the scripture stop leaning on the understanding of the man Calvin he hated the letter of James because it disproves his academic fables .... Repent Jesus loves you stop spreading false doctrine
rsd615 2 months ago
James 2:21 Wasn't Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 2:22 You see that faith worked with his works, and by works faith was perfected; 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness;" and he was called the friend of God. <--- again Abraham chose to obey he could have disobeyed the instructions from God but he chose to obey and it was "accounted to him as righteousness"
rsd615 2 months ago
James 1:5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it will be given to him. <--- you need to ask for it God doesn't force it on to people asking is your action.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. <--- being drawn away is the result of the individual giving into his own lust not the pre-ordination of God as Calvinists falsely presume
rsd615 2 months ago
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Jesus says we are born again without the will of man being involved. <----- scripture to back this or is it one of those assertions Calvinists make up ? God gave the scripture for us to follow he does not force us to obey we either decide to obey and draw near to God or we disobey and leave the narrow path for the broad path to destruction .... Scripture is clear on this
rsd615 2 months ago
Guess i need to repent, CAUSE I AM STILL LAUGHING!!
Excellent video!
Thanks!
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Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your seed;
rsd615 8 months ago
30:20 to love Yahweh your God, to obey his voice, and to cleave to him; for he is your life, and the length of your days; that you may dwell in the land which Yahweh swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. .... God clearly gave all individuals a choice to make to choose to obey co-operate or to choose to dis-obey not cooperate ... you should drop the calvinist propagandist writings and get your eyeballs on the scripture !!!
rsd615 8 months ago
@rsd615 The saved man has been born twice.He was born the 1st time without his permission or help & Jesus says we are born again without the will of man being involved.The baby cries only after his birth,the man only cries out to God after his New Birth.
CBALLEN 2 months ago
wow typical Calvinist behavior ... you take a sound bite out of context and then use scripture out of context to prove your opinion ... you misused the John ch 6 quote by ignoring this spoken by Jesus himself in John ch12.... 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." ... ALL MEN ARE DRAWN not Some as you calvinists falsely postulate .... and of course you must ignore this passage from James in order to refute synergism ... James 2:21 - 2:24
rsd615 8 months ago
Boy what a mess. What this Skelly guy is saying is just a bit off but this video, as a correction is a total mess. There aren't many verses that were brought up that had anything to do with the issue. It's a hack job of a video.
faithandpractice 1 year ago
Ever wonder why God describes salvation as the new birth or "Born Again?" Why does he say "Born Again?" Is there synergism between an unborn infant and the mother to cause natural birth? Does the infant deliberate and choose or is there just birth? Can an infant refuse to be born naturally? So it is with being "Born Again" No approval, no contemplation, no choice, no refusal. There is simply the gift of new birth. Not of ourselves, the will of the flesh or the will of man.
KyriakosDoulos 1 year ago
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KyriakosDoulos 1 year ago
Pray for yourselves because YOU'RE the ones lead astray.
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have LONGED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but YOU were not WILLING." matthew 23:37
Man has a free will and can choose to accept or reject the gospel.
cherubimX 1 year ago
I love the plain truth of the Word.
Soli Deo Gloria!
DJAnihilist 2 years ago
If God doesn't work "with" people, give me an explanation of Matthew 13:58
It's not to say God *needs* us in any sense... it's just to show how faith can allow/not allow miracles to happen, something to think about?
Here's another one for the ones who claim God doesn't work "with" us--read Daniel 10:1-14--- you would claim that
God sent an angel to answer his prayer, and then at the same time decreed a demon to take captive the angel for 21 days until Michael could arrive LoL it's
droptozro 2 years ago
This can also be looked at (from the Arminian point of view)as,without man's FREE WILL,God is powerless to save anyone,so with man it's impossible and it's also impossible with God,unless of course man allows it.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
What I really want to ask is, do you deal with other Christians most of the time? I'm Christian and I'm not saying (who's wrong or right) but I talk to many atheist and I'm starting to think, God does pick some and not others. Take one week of your time and check out what's out there...Your videos will change, the things said about God and Christ by mean people, will burn right into your heart...I'm on the front lines a lot, Christians need to start talking about Christ now!!!
sexywildchildbaby 2 years ago
Oh LoL that music, the Bible clearly teaches monergism.
abelieverinJesus 2 years ago 4
Great video Bro! Better get your hip boots though as I see one of Kerrigan's cohorts is flooding your comment section. God bless.
Blogrich55 2 years ago 3
GOD IS THE GOD OF ORDER TO ALL CHURCHES AN SAINTS. WE MUST BE CAREFUL IN REGARDS TO DOCTRINE AND WHAT WE BELIEVE. BECAUSE IF WE BELIEVE WRONG DOCTRINE IT CAN AND WILL COST SALVATION:
2JN 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2JN 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
AaronM144000 2 years ago
The angel of God in Genesis 31:10-13 claimed to be God. Clearly another person in the Godhead.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
apart from God the Father Himself.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Proverbs 8 shows that the wisdom of God was before creation. In 1 Corinthians Christ is called the wisdom of God.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Calvinist believe OSAS no matter what sin they commit, and if they fall back into sin then they were never trully saved.
Gnostics beleived OSAS and said there sinful actions were of the flesh not of the spirit
If John preached against Gnosticism why should we not preach against Calvinism?
mcraevid 2 years ago
Calvinists believe Once saved Kept Saved. ( Pet 1::3-6) We CANNOT lose our salvation because God KEEPS us in the fold. Your God does not love you because he lets you stray.
You still have given NO evidence that Gnostacism was Calvinism.
October31st1517 2 years ago 2
Since my original comment has been deleted I will answer the responses here.
Calvinism = Gnosticism
Calvinism believes total depravity, ie. sinful flesh
Gnostics believe total depravity ie. sinful flesh
Calvinism teaches only elect forced by irrisistable call of God
Gnostics believe divine revelation to them(the chosen) about flesh is sinful and the soul is good.
mcraevid 2 years ago
"Calvinism believes total depravity, ie. sinful flesh, Gnostics believe total depravity ie. sinful flesh"
Calvinism does not teach that man's flesh is sinful perse, though that is the result. When God created man he was PERFECT and HAD FREEWILL. It was only through his disobediance that HIS NATURE became sinful and his will ENSLAVED to sin and his own sinful desires. Flesh has become sinful through the fall.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Mark, the flesh has nothing to do with the will other than be a holy or unholy influeces. Even if you have a sinful nature your free will can still obey or disobey your nature. In Romans 1 it says homosexuals do things that are AGAINST NATURE.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Yes, it is against nature for someone to have sexual desire for the same sex. However, the bible does teach that man HAD a freewill. He was created perfect. But when he fell his will became enslaved to sin.
among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Eph 2:3
Hope this helps.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Mark
Kerrigan refuted Ephesians 2:3 in his series. That "nature" has to do with character. Not something we are born with.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Kerrigan refuted Ephesians 2:3 in his series
Are you saying that the bible can be refuted? The bible is inspired and can never be refuted. REPENT HERETIC!!!!!!
October31st1517 2 years ago
No he gave a correct exegesis of your supposed proof text. What I meant was he refuted the conventional calvinistic eisegesis.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
It doesnt say we were born conducting ourselves in the lust and fulfilling the desires of the flesh. Desires or lusts are not sinful when sin is complete. We all have temptations and dispositions. But our natural conscience tells us sin is wrong.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Calvinism teaches only elect forced by irrisistable call of God
Gnostics believe divine revelation to them(the chosen) about flesh is sinful and the soul is good.
"To the deservedly happy church at Ephesus...MARKED OUT SINCE THE BEGGINING OF TIME FOR GLORYUNFADING & UNCHANGING.
(Ignatius' letter to the ephesians 108 AD)
Are you going to tell me that the early christians did not believe in election, not to mention you misrepresented our position. Forced? Freewill is a lie!
October31st1517 2 years ago
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Gosh Mark I looked at your your intro this time and it made me think of the phrase "Satanic productions presents in association with DefendingSatanism". Just a mere coincidence.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
That's all it was.
October31st1517 2 years ago
You really crack me up Mark. You've been really entertaining.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
I'm glad you were entertained. But more importantly, I hope you were edified.
October31st1517 2 years ago 3
Mark, that was a brilliant response to a fool. God bless!
APSOC38 2 years ago
Be careful whom you call a fool, brother. :)
God bless you.
ChristianReformation 2 years ago
Are they as hydrologically unstable as Reuben?
APSOC38 2 years ago
the just shall live by FAITH....BUT if any man draws back....i will have NO PLEASURE in Him.
Calvinism Does trump synergism but really all you are saying is God's will trumps any choice (grace) you and i will ever get. I still believe in the END GOD CHOOSES. In him we live move and have our being. NOTHING OUTSIDE HIM!
It's a Double paradox. SO FEAR GOD!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
"It has been announced to you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To do justice and to love mercy" Micah 6:8
"I have set before you the way of life, and the way of death. Choose what is good and walk in it" Deut.30:15
I guess you dismiss the early Church teachings such as Origen's work "On First Things" where he battled the heretical teachings of Calvinism, sorry I mean gnosticism. No, same thing.
Why should we pray for Kerrigan if his fate is already predetermined?
mcraevid 2 years ago
You are taking old testament passages out of context.
HamtramckGrace 2 years ago
"Calvinism, sorry I mean gnosticism. No, same thing."
Please explain.
Tessares12345 2 years ago
This is the same cowardly attack pelagians love to give. When you ask them sow how calvinism is gnosticism, they run. The early church Fathers taught Once saved Kept Saved, Total depravity, and yes, Limited atonement. You cannot tell me that you Ignatius of antioch was a pelagian.
Also, I quoted nothing but scripture in this video. You have not responded to anything. REPENT of your works rightousness gospel!
October31st1517 2 years ago 4
Mark, that's all they love to do. Hit and run, or do all sorts of unjustified name-calling. If we confront them with Truth, they can't handle it. I hate to sound crass, but they're wusses.
APSOC38 2 years ago
I could barely sit through this.
That dude's voice went through my head like a nail!
However, I did sit through it (merely turned the volume down when he was talking) and can only shake my head sadly.
How few there are who truly understand the ways of God as taught in the Bible.
Talk about man-made doctrines!
silmalila 2 years ago 2
I can't get it to play,as soon as he says "it is on"it stops.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
to the point. love it.
zkueker88 2 years ago 5
I agree. This video is so spot on.
APSOC38 2 years ago 4
Find a few out of context verses and twist them. Then ignore passages that don't fit your theology and refuse to study. You'll believe like Skelly in no time.
DefendingTheTruth 2 years ago 3
Yes, in the old testament, israel was under the Mosaic law.
HamtramckGrace 2 years ago
Great video with great music
charliejunfan1 2 years ago
"free will" is the trump card in the synergistic deck
diligentile 2 years ago
Great stuff mark.
SolaGratia87 2 years ago
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Synergism is not totally true either because if GOD DOESN'T INITIATE GRACE....THEN YOU AIN'T GOING....BUT SOME CAN KNOW THE TRUTH AND STILL TURN....BUT I GUESS IN THE END..GOD ULTIMATELY DIDN'T WILL THEM INTO HIS KINGDOM EVEN IF THEY GOT SO CLOSE. GOD's WILL TRUMPS ANY CHOICE WE GET SO....
FEAR GOD....SALVATION....WORK IT OUT WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING....
NUFF SAID!!
STOP BEING ACADEMICS....HUMBLE yourSELVES!!
Grace (GOD...divinely opening our eyes) &
Peace (GOD's, NOT man's or the world's)
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
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First of all the TRINITY IS FALSE UNDERSTANDING OF THE GODHEAD....GOD is ONE SPIRIT...NOT THREE (if you say three persons...you are saying three spriits) OBVIOUSLY WRONG...GOD IS OMNIPRESENT. Jesus is the FATHER (Isaiah) God's words from HIS HEART!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
who was jesus talking to on the cross?
4096x 2 years ago
Good Question.......answer is.....
Him"SELF" in essence you could say that GOD has no self because HE and His Kingdom are SELFLESS. He was incased in FLESH right? His HOLY Spirit was placed/incarnate into flesh to endure like we endure (emotions, suffering, etc.) Yet He could never fail because HE IS GOD/PERFECT....STILL HE FELT everything. He abandoned His"SELF" for us...for a moment He was the "ONLY FORSAKEN/BEGOTTEN", so WE can LIVE! Phi 2:7&8 & Heb 2:7
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
who was jesus talking to in the garden, when he begged he be spared the cup of wrath.
4096x 2 years ago
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if you are trying to argue the TRINITY sorry, God isn't three SPIRITS in one...HE IS ONE PERSON/SPIRIT...it's just as easy to believe in the omnipresence and amazing way that God could separate Himself from Himself to accomplish His perfect will for himself and us. Three spirits doesn't make sense but for academics who know the letter without HIS Spirit (DEAD)...it is a good effort.
The answer to your question is the SAME. We HOPE in salvation, so NONE can boast!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
seems pretty obvious from the text that there is seperation of personalities.
can i interest you in some reading lessons?
4096x 2 years ago
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now, now.....your sarcasm gives your spirit away....no love.....
NOT to mention "personalities???"
if you so desire, continue to preach to people that God has split personalities.....i guess the false doctrine of the establish"MEN"t...NOT the REAL CHURCH....has seeped it's way deeper into many more minds that i thought!
The letter is DEAD without the Spirit (Grace)!! God opposes the proud and only reveals the truth of the scriptures to babes...not the cunning and sopisticated (ACADEMICS)!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
There is no love on your part misrepresenting our doctrine. Also, what do you have against ACADEMICS? You can be fully educated and be humble about it. I guess you poster boy David Bernard is on his way to hell?
October31st1517 2 years ago 2
"And God said, Let Us make man in Our Image." (Genesis 1:26). Why the Plural? because God is plural. but it is also singular. how can we think of this? Well 1 John 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in Heaven [about Jesus], the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE ARE ONE." (the CAPS was done by me). see the emphasis? Think about a football team. they are all individuals. but when they come together as a team, they are considered "one."
siLveRscOpe13x 2 years ago 2
(cont) when you refer to a team, you refer to it as "it" not "they." this is just simple, correct grammar. however, IT is made up of THEM. the same is true for God. The only difference is that God is LITERALLY one being AND three separate ones at the same time. crazy and impossible to understand...but that's the crazy coolness of God. :) His ways truly are higher than ours.
siLveRscOpe13x 2 years ago
Genesis is WEAK...verses 1-25 say God did this, God said that....SINGULAR
Then 1 verse (26) says "US" & you ASSUME it's THREE SPLIT PERSONALITIES of GOD operating as ONE talking to each other telepathically and agreeing....I thought so too...BUT
MAYBE JUST MAYBE God was talking to His angels, heavenly hosts, creation???? READ 1 Corinthinans 12:11
1 John 5:7 i will give you credit....this scripture AGAIN like all others cannot be understood by JUST reading it JUST as Matt. 28:19.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
1. Not 3 Personalities, but 3 persons. Personality is an attribute.
2. God cannot be talking to the angels because angels were not created in the image of God. Only men.
3. 1 Cor 12:11 is speaking of the spiritual gifts that WERE happening at the church of Corinth. No Context.
You really need to educate yourself with the scriptures a little more & obey Matt 28:19.
October31st1517 2 years ago 2
1. keep believing in THREE PEOPLE as ONE GOD...up to you.
2. Got a scripture to back that up?
3. The context i'm not debating...that's obvious...BUT look @ how God is described in words...ONE and the SELFSAME Spirit.
I am educated by the Lord Himself....not the institutions of man...HEBREWS 8.
By the way so what IS the name(character) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that WE are to go out and baptize in?
Matt 28:19
Brother let's keep prayin for each other...let God humble us.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
The Father is the heart of God...from which flows His Word, which IN TURN is CONFIRMED as being from God by HIS POWER & PRESENCE (Spirit). 1 GOD manifesting in 3 ways to SHOW US HIS CHARACTER! You have a heart right? Out of your heart your mouth speaks right? Then if you have ANY character you will back it up with ACTION (power/ presence). SIMPLE HUH? 2 bad satan decieves the WHOLE WORLD (me too, now coming out) through FALSE RELIGION (people going TO church, INSTEAD of BEING THE CHURCH).
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
FALSE DOCTRINES....because they only know the TEXT but the TEXT is DEAD TO THEM because they DON'T HAVE THE SPIRIT to reveal the HEART (Father) behind the WORD.
This was ROME creation as they desimated the TRUE CHURCH and BECAME THE CONTROL AND AUTHORITY FOR THE PEOPLE...REPLACING GOD! Hebrews 8
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
Stop boasting about how spiritual you are.
4096x 2 years ago
LOL.....i'm not boasting...just sharing what God has shown me....what should i do boast about how much TEXT of the bible i know or how FLESHLY i am INSTEAD? You may destroy me in a contest of scripture and verse....but God reveals His heart behind His Word to WHOM HE DESIRES. Scribes and Pharisees thought they had salvation in the scriptures.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
This system SEEMS to have reformed itself over the years...BUT ALAS....IT WAS AND NEVER HAD BEEN GOD's just inventions of MAN and FLESH with JESUS sprinkled throughout! Time to WALK by HIS SPIRIT (SINGULAR). Only the SPIRIT can save us from this BY GRACE (God calling us out and opening our eyes)! In LOVE brother.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
You are misrepresnting the doctrine of the trinity. The bible says "God is spirit". That is His nature. These 3 PERSONS (not spirits) Share the same divine nature. You realize that you cannot defeat trinitarianism so in order to do so you have to misrepresent it.
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October31st1517 2 years ago 2
i'm not misrepresenting it.....IT HERESY! A person IS a spirit! Check your dictionary. You're right i'm not trying to convince you or defeat a false doctrine....just share the TRUTH of God's oneness and God will choose who's eyes to open and close. I don't care about being right (pride) i just don't want to be wrong!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
"i'm not misrepresenting it"
You are if that's not what trinitarians profess. A person IS a spirit! Check your dictionary.
That is your problem. The dictionary should not be your final authority. We should find out what scripture defines SPIRIT as.
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24
This is the definition of what Spirit is. I'm glad I was able to educate you.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Good scripture but OOPS...you missed something...."GOD is SPIRIT".....not "GOD is SPIRIT(S)"
Hey i'm not a synergist and if the trinity doctrine is exclusive to calvinism....i'm not that either.....I'm Baptized in God's HOLY Spirit....the same HOLY Spirit that was in Christ (God in Flesh).....are you Denying that Jesus was God's Spirit in a physical body?
Grace be apon you brother.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
Jesus is the Word of God. He is God(John 1:1). The Word manifested in the flesh(John 1:14). All things were made through Him(John 1:10) How much clearer can this be?
AaronM144000 2 years ago
So simple even a Calvinist can understand. However Your arguing against your own faith because Oneness teaches that the Word was not a Person until bethlehem. The Word was simply a plan or an Idea. blasphemy!!! THE WORD ALWAYS EXISTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
October31st1517 2 years ago
Are you talking to me?
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Oops. Thought you were the Oneness dude.
October31st1517 2 years ago
WHAT....well you obviously don't understand ONENESS.....the WORD (God's Spirit in FLESH) WASN'T a PERSON?????
God can separate Himself from Himself and still BE ONE SPIRIT DUDE! It isn't too hard to grasp! I believe in JOHN 1:1
trinity doctrine confuses and misses the target on understanding the GODHEAD (who God is)
Anyways....may the Lord's Spirit continue to lead us both into ALL TRUTH! I don't want to fight you brother.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
John 8:58 Jesus says "Before Abraham was I AM" He was clearly a person prior to hs reincarnation
AaronM144000 2 years ago
You have NO IDEA what it is to be baptized in the Spirit. It has NOTHING to do with speaking in tongues. This is a pentecostal invention.
October31st1517 2 years ago
ONENESS is heresy. The personhood and the work of Christ is a key essential to the faith. Denying the deity and person of Christ is more like denying the grace of God and work of christ on the cross.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
No one is denying Christ's (God's) work. But you can't get your head around God being OMNIPRESENT and playing different roles but STILL being ONE @ the same time. SO the trinity is your best EDUCATED guess. God's foolishness is greater than EARTHLY WISDOM!
Bless you brother.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
The key theme of the Bible is that God is love by nature loving righteousness and hating unrighteousness(Hebrews 1:8-9). The Son is the unltimate revelation of the Father.(John 14:9). and elsewhere it says
1 Corinthians 2:11 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Amen brother....all good scripture
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
The Holy Trinity is not an educated guess. It's a clear teaching of scripture. If the Spirit of God indwells every believer and Word of God abides in every believer(with Jesus being the Word), God dwells in every believer. Father,Word and Spirit-these three are one.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
I cannot agree without...even the apostles knew ONE LORD, ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTISM. Father, Word, & Spirit ARE three manifestations of God but as we read in scripture ONLY show His omnipresence...don't complicate it with three persons/spirits....that is to say THREE TOTALLY SEPARATE GODS who become ONE. Doesn't fit!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
You know over and over again it is explained to you that we do not believe in seperate Gods. If you want to debate that the bible does not teach that there are 3 seperate distenct persons that is one being . That is fine lets dissciss that. But what most oneness do is create a straw man saying we worship 3 gods. Also you and other oness proponents are shown we do not teach there are 3 Gods yet you still hold to your claim. Do you hold to this becuase that is your only argument?
ocpud2999 2 years ago
If you have 100 devout Christians filled with the Holy Spirit of God. There are 100 persons that share the same Spirit. Many persons yet one Spirit. You dont say there are 100 holy SPirits.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
Bless you brother may God's grace be apon us all. His will be done.
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
PHIL 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
PHIL 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
ROM 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
AaronM144000 2 years ago
ROM 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
ROM 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1COR 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
1COR 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
AS CHRISTIANS WE ARE NOT TO HAVE ALL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. WE ARE PART OF ONE BODY. WE ARE ALL TO HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST. THERE IS NO CONFUSION:
1COR 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
AMEN....Bless you brother.....let's LET God humble us and help us to continue to preach the His SOUND DOCTRINE.
We are the body and we need each other.....exhortation (ie. rebuke and encouragement )
Grace (God divinely opening our eyes) & Peace (God's, not man's or the world's)
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
We have many doctrines yet one faith.
AaronM144000 2 years ago
So in other words your God suffers from Schizophrenia?
October31st1517 2 years ago
I didn't say it, ASK 4096x??
If you teach Trinity doctrine that IS EXACTLY what you are teaching! It teaches three persons/spirits operating as one....even jews and muslims know God is ONE!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
hey, ur the one that says God talks to himself.
ONE: even jews and muslims know God is ONE!
don't look to dead men for your theology.
4096x 2 years ago
I don't look to ANY MAN for theology....theology is DEAD LETTER without SPIRIT....WASTING YOUR TIME. That is why you argue and debate....wasting time arguing your take on the TEXT. I repent for debating with you all more than i should have and other than the trinity doctrine we pretty much see eye to eye. God opened my eyes so i know He is faithful to those He chooses. May His will be done!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
So You are brothers with Jews & Muslims because they believe in 1 God?
October31st1517 2 years ago
I feel that Calvinists and Arminians both have this wrong. I feel that Calvinists are right that justification comes through grace alone (monergism/irresistible grace), but fails to address participation. Arminians address participation through synergism, but become heretical on their teachings on justification. The laws is a great example:
Under justification we are are unjust to the law, but under participation it is what draws us nearer to the Father.
Christisms 2 years ago
Have you ever asked yourself why one participates while the other does not?
DefendingCalvinism 2 years ago
I will agree that in testimonials that I hear people who quit drinking, quit swearing, treated their families better, ect. and link that to the enabling grace through the Holy Spirit (which I know is doctrinal in reformed theology). However, Jesus taught that if we loved Him, we should keep his commandments which makes me believe that participation is active on both parts, but justification does not come from our deeds.
Christisms 2 years ago
Now a lot of questions concerning enabling grace lies in the idea of both total depravity and predestination. Are we active participants through grace alone because of a predestined election or through active efforts? I have been looking at Lutheranism recently so I see a water downed version of monergism and unconditional election (predestination).
Christisms 2 years ago