Further more, the Genesis of Adam and Eve, may not have been the first occurence of same. It says the spirit of God hovered above the waters of the earth and it was baren, then did God create the...Genesis 1:2 " So, it is as if he came upon a destroyed world, and brought it back to life, using the DNA, or something. Re-creating the world. Like something out of Star Trek. Bible's Book of Revelations even says there was a war in space, and Satan was shot down and crashlanded here, check it out.
6000 year old earth is derived at by monks adding up the generations from Adam to Jesus, this assuming Jesus lived 2000 years ago, however there are no writings about Jesus outside the gospels from that time period, yet he was suposedly a big phenomena (at that time period) This indicates the Jesus story could be borrowed from much older, and is according to Athiest. So Athiest can't really use the 6000 marker and eat their cake too.
yep i totaly agree with you,but sure all sane people know that creationists are crazy anyway and talking to them is pretty much a waste of time because they only hear what they want to hear,well i guess thats what years of brainwashing will do to you.
If it were a creationist museum it would have creation myths from Hindu, Native American (multiple), Australian Aboriginal, Inuit, Egyptian Pantheon, Muslim, Zoroastrian, etc, etc.... cultural mythologies. Like most atheist u place Christ at the same level as old thus usseles. This kind of reasoning only arguments is personal opinion. Its populistich dodging of things you cannot dodge with real evidense.
Tried that rout... to the extent that I prepped for seminary in college with two advisers from two schools. I have studied religion for over 25 years. I have an extensive library myself and have seen many.
Gasp. The stealing, were humans kid al man do that. But be happy Gods word isnt controled by human will. And the floodstory cant just be copied. They knew a lot today, people like you talk like they were equal to monkeys. Well i dont believe that i dont wanna share that nihilistic vieuw. Their gone but not forgotten.
Bastards? We copied the OT as good as possible. As far as i now jews could use the ot we have without a problem. Its just the rest they dont feel appealed to. Jesus was a jew. He came at first for the jews. But as for acts 7 the jews werent that much at the end. In Israel life Zionists but what they are?
Gasp. Get a life. The diference to jews is that much to orthodox christians. The OT may be the same, however culture makes variation. For the jewish laws around the OT i have not a realy good word read acts 7. For the christian things also, all what matters is the Bible. What we need a formular to marry for? Adam and Eve didnt have someone in a church marrying them. The first time is your marriage; life is simple. If you want difficulties you stick your head in the sand but i wont.
Jews had it first and christian version is duifferent, the jews got some of their storys from the babylonians etc and changed things (Adam/eve, ark etc)
The archfathers came from Ur in the land of the Galdeeën. Now the story was told everywhere but not the family holding the believe in El were small. See when they send Jacob back. Now the babylonion storys differ completely. The Bible was writeen by Moses divinely inspired by God. Now the Ark; What nation on earth did hold the best capable boat to survive with an huge amount of animals onboard? Remember the jews did only in seatrade efectivly under king Solomo.
If Noach did it, all is ofspring would have the story. To me it is the proof the flood was worldwide. For the Gilgamesj story to be the original story it should be more acccurat however the form of the boat used by gilgamesj is a cubus. Now normally a boat has a front an back to direct lined with the wind. The cubus only good is that it floats. The ark of the Bible however is just an tankerlike ship what is the best seaworthy model for its purpose.
Oke if ur insane find a better seaworthy model for carrying large cargo. Then explain the shape of today supertanikers. And if you still got gutts say to the crew of such ship: its a ordinary 'shoe box.'
Supertankers are capable of more then just oiltransport. Why they dont do that? Its inefficient if you want things fast. They use containers for such cargo today, however did they excist back then? So the Tanker could be build in with floors and with food as well who can be liquid. Secondly the ark didnt need to go anywhere its just needed to float. Now you should be aware of what floats around if you see a tanker.
You forget genetics prove the ark wrong. Let alone you need evolution far greater anyone who accepts evolution would say ioccurs, funaily enought at the same time you deny the evidence for evolution.
I guess you still have not come up with answer other than evolution for the chimp/human DNA retro virii!
Microevolution for example nylonase happens in 3 days. This is due to adaption in orderto fit in the ecosystems.
For the chimp and human i already said that it is highly possible that apes are ofspring of humans. With degeneration a crossing between an ape and man would cause the chimp. This as well explains the inacurasy towards the level of shared retrovirri with bonobo's.
"For the chimp and human i already said that it is highly possible that apes are ofspring of humans"
As I TOLD you, this is impossible due to humans other dead bvirii in their DNA that the Chimps do NOT. This proves neither evolved from each other! Common ancestor explaisn it!
"This as well explains the inacurasy towards the level of shared retrovirri with bonobo's. "
You have nop idea what you are talking baout, which is no surprise!
I dont denied the simularity in retrovirri of chimps and humans. U just make up one conclusion for your own opinion. I however look at all possibilitys. For actual concrete evidense. You need to examin te whole tree of apes and humans and not just calculate the simularitys but the differences ass well. My story is giving it another way. In fact the number of options is nearly endless.
"I dont denied the simularity in retroviri of chimps and humans.U just make up one conclusion for your own opinion.I however look at all possibility."
You came up with a WRONG idea(As if creations have correct ones)that chimps evolved from Humans,this is proven wrong by the Dead virii in the DNA, so next lame excuse please!
"In fact the number of options is nearly endless."
WOW but which one does the evidence show? The retro virri in the DNA show we have a common ancestor with chimps.
You came up with a WRONG idea(As if creations have correct ones)that chimps evolved from Humans,this is proven wrong by the Dead virii in the DNA, so next lame excuse please!
I nowhere read this. Is there any information your holding back. All you said uppon now was they shared dead retrovirri and some %numebers on the number of dead retrovirri matching.
"You came up with a WRONG idea(As if creations have correct ones)that chimps evolved from Humans,this is proven wrong by the Dead virii in the DNA, so next lame excuse please!"
"One could be decendant of the other."
No as I said before this does not match the evidence, you dont accept evolution arnt going accept the truth. so whats the point of explaining it yet again to you? for the 6 th time? Want to find out go google and read it online!
I took at look at the Oxford English Dictionary. The word museum is originally used for a building associated with or sacred to the muses. The current definition focuses on the collection/curation of objects with, "historical, scientific, artistic, or cultural interest". Your idea for a museum combines both definitions.
Great thouhts on this 'museum. I like your idea for a museum, even an online one. All the creation stories at once! Would be really interesting to me.
they just pick one story that happens to be in their tradition, and then they try to make it real using faith instead of evidence. it really doesnt deserve the word ``museum´´ in its title.
Yes good point! It is as you say it is. It is not a museum of creation stories but a museum whose only purpose is to display their own fundie idea of biblical Christian creation. But then again they are the people that came up with the millions of dolars to build it in the first place. So we could not expect anything else from them.
Further more, the Genesis of Adam and Eve, may not have been the first occurence of same. It says the spirit of God hovered above the waters of the earth and it was baren, then did God create the...Genesis 1:2 " So, it is as if he came upon a destroyed world, and brought it back to life, using the DNA, or something. Re-creating the world. Like something out of Star Trek. Bible's Book of Revelations even says there was a war in space, and Satan was shot down and crashlanded here, check it out.
PhuqueU 2 years ago
6000 year old earth is derived at by monks adding up the generations from Adam to Jesus, this assuming Jesus lived 2000 years ago, however there are no writings about Jesus outside the gospels from that time period, yet he was suposedly a big phenomena (at that time period) This indicates the Jesus story could be borrowed from much older, and is according to Athiest. So Athiest can't really use the 6000 marker and eat their cake too.
PhuqueU 2 years ago
Aren't you that guy from "the atheist experience" or am I way off?
rugbyanden 3 years ago
Nope, not me, but I'm flattered.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
This guy thinks he is WAAAAAAY to awsome....
ThRaShEr129 3 years ago
Not even close.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
really? sunglasses, bald head, cigar. just the way you talk and how you move around says it all.
ThRaShEr129 3 years ago
Horrible presentation.
iNenshou 3 years ago
Someones mowing the lawn!
hogsonquads 3 years ago
yep i totaly agree with you,but sure all sane people know that creationists are crazy anyway and talking to them is pretty much a waste of time because they only hear what they want to hear,well i guess thats what years of brainwashing will do to you.
funkchunck 3 years ago
If it were a creationist museum it would have creation myths from Hindu, Native American (multiple), Australian Aboriginal, Inuit, Egyptian Pantheon, Muslim, Zoroastrian, etc, etc.... cultural mythologies. Like most atheist u place Christ at the same level as old thus usseles. This kind of reasoning only arguments is personal opinion. Its populistich dodging of things you cannot dodge with real evidense.
Eskon2 3 years ago
Show me evidence that jesus/genesis is something different than any other myth.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
The complete studies of the jews concerning the OT and the today christian comments based on the bible.
Eskon2 3 years ago
The OT/Torah/Midrash are just recycling a conglomeration of older myths...
In no way was that an answer.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
Storys have an origin. How come these story have a common thing. What is true and what not? Read the bible pray every day.
Eskon2 3 years ago
Tried that rout... to the extent that I prepped for seminary in college with two advisers from two schools. I have studied religion for over 25 years. I have an extensive library myself and have seen many.
Amounts to the same thing... mythology.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
Nope. Myths have an origin. To understand themyth u should understand their goal and their origion.
Furthermore a question only the bible can answer. What is the most import thin in life?
What is the origin of life?
What is the origin of the origin ( or what is the origin of time?)
Eskon2 3 years ago
You are arguing infinite regress and it is an argument that is against religion.
All beginnings must have beginnings... if a god made our universe then something must have created the creator.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
It is against religion. It removes all gods except one. I gave a hint: 'a question only the bible can answer'
Keep thinking.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"Myths have an origin. To understand themyth u should understand their goal and their origion"
Yes they do and the ones the bible stole from other cultures have been changed alot!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Gasp. The stealing, were humans kid al man do that. But be happy Gods word isnt controled by human will. And the floodstory cant just be copied. They knew a lot today, people like you talk like they were equal to monkeys. Well i dont believe that i dont wanna share that nihilistic vieuw. Their gone but not forgotten.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"Storys have an origin. How come these story have a common thing. What is true and what not? "
Yes the xtian made up stories are just bastardrisations of the jewish ones.
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Bastards? We copied the OT as good as possible. As far as i now jews could use the ot we have without a problem. Its just the rest they dont feel appealed to. Jesus was a jew. He came at first for the jews. But as for acts 7 the jews werent that much at the end. In Israel life Zionists but what they are?
Eskon2 3 years ago
"As far as i now jews could use the ot we have without a problem"
Yes they had it first so the many differences means the xtians got it wrong!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Gasp. Get a life. The diference to jews is that much to orthodox christians. The OT may be the same, however culture makes variation. For the jewish laws around the OT i have not a realy good word read acts 7. For the christian things also, all what matters is the Bible. What we need a formular to marry for? Adam and Eve didnt have someone in a church marrying them. The first time is your marriage; life is simple. If you want difficulties you stick your head in the sand but i wont.
Eskon2 3 years ago
" The diference to jews"
Jews had it first and christian version is duifferent, the jews got some of their storys from the babylonians etc and changed things (Adam/eve, ark etc)
Your story book is a ripp off of a ripp off!
Simple as that!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
The archfathers came from Ur in the land of the Galdeeën. Now the story was told everywhere but not the family holding the believe in El were small. See when they send Jacob back. Now the babylonion storys differ completely. The Bible was writeen by Moses divinely inspired by God. Now the Ark; What nation on earth did hold the best capable boat to survive with an huge amount of animals onboard? Remember the jews did only in seatrade efectivly under king Solomo.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"Now the Ark; What nation on earth did hold the best capable boat to survive"
Ah anyone could have done it with gods help. Noahs ark story is a rewrite of the origonal babylonian story.
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
If Noach did it, all is ofspring would have the story. To me it is the proof the flood was worldwide. For the Gilgamesj story to be the original story it should be more acccurat however the form of the boat used by gilgamesj is a cubus. Now normally a boat has a front an back to direct lined with the wind. The cubus only good is that it floats. The ark of the Bible however is just an tankerlike ship what is the best seaworthy model for its purpose.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"The ark of the Bible however is just an tankerlike ship what is the best seaworthy model for its purpose. "
s not its a shoe box, obviously god doesnt know much about ship design LOL like alot of other things he doesnt know LOL
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Oke if ur insane find a better seaworthy model for carrying large cargo. Then explain the shape of today supertanikers. And if you still got gutts say to the crew of such ship: its a ordinary 'shoe box.'
Eskon2 3 years ago
"Then explain the shape of today supertanikers"
OH What does the bible have to say about the weighting of the ark?They wherent all liquifed and sttored on the ark qwhere the animals?
Anyway genetics proves the ark story didnt happen.
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
U seem to forget one thing.
Supertankers are capable of more then just oiltransport. Why they dont do that? Its inefficient if you want things fast. They use containers for such cargo today, however did they excist back then? So the Tanker could be build in with floors and with food as well who can be liquid. Secondly the ark didnt need to go anywhere its just needed to float. Now you should be aware of what floats around if you see a tanker.
Eskon2 3 years ago
You forget genetics prove the ark wrong. Let alone you need evolution far greater anyone who accepts evolution would say ioccurs, funaily enought at the same time you deny the evidence for evolution.
I guess you still have not come up with answer other than evolution for the chimp/human DNA retro virii!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Microevolution for example nylonase happens in 3 days. This is due to adaption in orderto fit in the ecosystems.
For the chimp and human i already said that it is highly possible that apes are ofspring of humans. With degeneration a crossing between an ape and man would cause the chimp. This as well explains the inacurasy towards the level of shared retrovirri with bonobo's.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"For the chimp and human i already said that it is highly possible that apes are ofspring of humans"
As I TOLD you, this is impossible due to humans other dead bvirii in their DNA that the Chimps do NOT. This proves neither evolved from each other! Common ancestor explaisn it!
"This as well explains the inacurasy towards the level of shared retrovirri with bonobo's. "
You have nop idea what you are talking baout, which is no surprise!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Well i can say the human is the common ancestor. and the ape is some failure ofspring:P
Bonobo's and chimps are more related to each other however they dont share that much on the retrovirri part.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"Well i can say the human is the common ancestor. and the ape is some failure ofspring:P"
The good old creationist ignore the evidence/proof then make up some crap!
You obviously dont want to undertsnad or are completely stupid.
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
Well its as good an fact possible. Its just there is no model where it fits in isnt it?
I am maybe to determined to point at the holes.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"Well its as good an fact possible. Its just there is no model where it fits in isnt it?
I am maybe to determined to point at the holes. "
There is no holes only in your crazy story. Just because you refuse to accept the retro viris DNA evidence, doesnt make it not true!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
You say there holes you wont point at them.
I dont denied the simularity in retrovirri of chimps and humans. U just make up one conclusion for your own opinion. I however look at all possibilitys. For actual concrete evidense. You need to examin te whole tree of apes and humans and not just calculate the simularitys but the differences ass well. My story is giving it another way. In fact the number of options is nearly endless.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"I dont denied the simularity in retroviri of chimps and humans.U just make up one conclusion for your own opinion.I however look at all possibility."
You came up with a WRONG idea(As if creations have correct ones)that chimps evolved from Humans,this is proven wrong by the Dead virii in the DNA, so next lame excuse please!
"In fact the number of options is nearly endless."
WOW but which one does the evidence show? The retro virri in the DNA show we have a common ancestor with chimps.
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
You came up with a WRONG idea(As if creations have correct ones)that chimps evolved from Humans,this is proven wrong by the Dead virii in the DNA, so next lame excuse please!
I nowhere read this. Is there any information your holding back. All you said uppon now was they shared dead retrovirri and some %numebers on the number of dead retrovirri matching.
No if its true there more options open.
One could be decendant of the other.
Eskon2 3 years ago
"You came up with a WRONG idea(As if creations have correct ones)that chimps evolved from Humans,this is proven wrong by the Dead virii in the DNA, so next lame excuse please!"
"One could be decendant of the other."
No as I said before this does not match the evidence, you dont accept evolution arnt going accept the truth. so whats the point of explaining it yet again to you? for the 6 th time? Want to find out go google and read it online!
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
I have googled it. I didnt encounter the information u were talking about it could realy help if you found your source again.
Eskon2 3 years ago
Have you ever seen a theological library of either a jew or christian. That amount of books could only be made of one biblio.
Eskon2 3 years ago
I took at look at the Oxford English Dictionary. The word museum is originally used for a building associated with or sacred to the muses. The current definition focuses on the collection/curation of objects with, "historical, scientific, artistic, or cultural interest". Your idea for a museum combines both definitions.
happyjesus123 4 years ago
Could you ask your gentleman neighbor to not mow his lawn whilst you are doing your series! It would be greatly appreciated.
bubbaj30 4 years ago
LOL, yeah, and keep his dog from barking... sure.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Great thouhts on this 'museum. I like your idea for a museum, even an online one. All the creation stories at once! Would be really interesting to me.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
I would really just like to see a myth museum, creation section, hero section then spirit journey section.
Fuck, I would never leave.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Yeah I'd really like that too.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
they just pick one story that happens to be in their tradition, and then they try to make it real using faith instead of evidence. it really doesnt deserve the word ``museum´´ in its title.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
Another great series.
Neonsolid 4 years ago
Too righ rk. All of it. They should either change the name, or make it into what they are calling it
againstthehumanrace 4 years ago
Yes good point! It is as you say it is. It is not a museum of creation stories but a museum whose only purpose is to display their own fundie idea of biblical Christian creation. But then again they are the people that came up with the millions of dolars to build it in the first place. So we could not expect anything else from them.
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
What we can expect is for them to call it what it is.
Or, at least, not call it what it is NOT.
rkzenrage 4 years ago