It's called being an adult. If you screw up by not bringing your ID when you know that's the policy, you take responsibility for that. You pack up and leave, and do so in a way that doesn't disturb the other students. You don't act as if you are above the rules by dragging your feet, or that being inconvenienced is of such earth-shaking importance that it's OK to derail everyone else's work. If he had been mature about it, the situation wouldn't have escalated.
It's not a matter of refusal to leave the library but a matter of a sick demonstration of power by guys who have serious complexes!3officers can't handle 1person without a taser?Refusal of leaving the library can only be handled by power?That's the western democracy we're so proud of.This is a tippical way of dealing with probs when it comes to US, isn't it?Seatle 1993-here's your democracy.Seems like US is obsessed by searching for threats in wrong places...
Fuck you whiners. They should taser all of you adolesent spoiled brats. When the cops tell to do something and you don't, you better either bring your best or take whats coming and SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is what happens when all your life mommy and daddy tell you that your are special and don't make you do as your told
IF people had just obeyed Stalin, maybe a few million less of them would have been abducted, tortured and murdered. IF the Kurds had been more respectful of Sadaam Hussein they wouldn't have had to have been attacked with chemical weapons.
Police Policy in the United States has crossed now taken a small step across the line, and millions of intelligent people familiar wiith world history can see this. We are in violation of international law, like the human rights violaters we invade.
B.Hawaii, Everyone was warned that they needed to show their id...he refused adn was asked SEVERAL Times to leave (based on school policy). are the police suppose to say ohh u dont want to show your id and don't want to leave...ok u can stay,,,, then if he he blow up the place. or raping a student in the library .... Everyone will pounce on the officers for not doing their job.
It goes both ways... abide by the law...issue like this will not happen.
We need laws and law enforcement. Our constitution is to make sure laws are humane. The UN set up standards to ensure that law ENFORCEMENT is humane. Tasers are a brilliant way to keep from seriously injuring a suspect who is physically threatening to officers, himself, others. To taser for compliance with orders lawful or otherwise violates UN standards. Pain compliance is a euphemism for torture, pure and simple. If parents can't do it to children, cops shouldn't do it citizens.
Hawaii, Well although i have kids and did spank open hand my sone twice. and when i felt my emotions got me reved up...I walked off and told him to go his rm. 'he disobeyed and almost got injured"
Taser is to make someone inmobile.... for a non compliant guy..
He could have avoided this by listening to the officers. the police has to inforce the rules ie removing non student (in this case a student who refuse to id self)
Hawaii He could have left and went to get his id and come back but he did not. He chosse to use profane language....he choose not to use good comon sense to avoid this....For all we know with the facts in front of us...he could have been a non student preying and an unsuspect person.
If he was cuffed and needed to be carried down the stairs...he could have resisited arrest and injure him self and or the police.
So tell me what is your solution. How can this be avoided?
Not long ago, police simply carried out folks who wouldn't cooperate. IF rather than non-violently going limp the protestor attacked or struggled physically with officers, THEN they used a non-lethal weapon, like mace, pepper spray or a baton. Most of the time they didn't pull a rodney king on them, they just got them under control. But when someone is PHYSICALLY AGGRESSIVE toward a cop or anyone else, THEN i am support of the police using non-lethal weapons, repeatedly if necessary.
If police have to physically carry you away, you are not complying with a lawful order. You should be charged and then have to appear in court to answer for the charge. Then how about this far out concept: You get an opportunity to have a lawyer and witnesses for your defense before guilt is decided and you are sentenced to punishment. Then since this isn't the third world instead of being whipped or electrocuted you are detained or fined. How bout that.
Personally, I think rather than hog-tying someone and having four or mor officers toss him in the back of a cruiser they should have a vehicle similar to an ambulance they could call and a couple cops could use the exact same stretcher the EMT's use to carry the mentally disabled person away with dignity...if he were having a seizure, or deaf or retarded, that would be way better than a taser.
I had a diabetic friend that would get really nasty grouchy just before he would go into insulin shock...that would have been the method I would have preffered for him rather than repeated electrocutin until he seizured and died.
do you know what insulin shock is? Although we can be empathetic to to ill. But what about society woes. Like i would not like my child be raped by a mental impaired? Being tazered is not being eloctucuted to death it to impair someone.
Unless a citizen is posing a threat to someone it seems like depriving them of the liberty to NOT BE TORTURED before due process is a tad unconstitional.
Any American who has sworn an oath to defend the United States Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic has a duty to file civil torts as well as FBI color of law complaints every time a taser is fired for "pain compliance" as opposed to defense. Cities who endorse torture should be sued until they "get it."
He got violent? Were that an honest statement not one person would oppose the proper use of a non-lethal weapon in bringing him down. But 65% of police tasering is pain compliance which is torture, not defense.
He wasn't leaving quickly enough, raised his voice in a library (GASP) & shouted THE FORBIDDEN F WORD only AFTER he was tased.
Goptards call both striking out and going limp "resisting" as if there is no difference between one who sits and one who attempts to injure officers.
Yeah, funny how that pesky first amendment means its not legal to kick the crap out of anyone who says something you personally CHOOSE to be offended by.
BUT if someone calls you "quirky" we should amend the constitution so if THAT word or even the letter "q" is used, you should be able to legally remove someone's ear with a knife. This pain compliance bullshit is an ego trip and it is endorsed by the leadership of police depts across the nation. "stand up or I'll kick you in the balls again!"
Taser training needs to consist of a guy hitting you with six or eight ten-second-trigger-held-down blasts...so that then when some GOPtard correction officer says he knows what its like he'd actually be telling the truth.
Cops are like any large group of ppl. some are happy, wise, fair and compassionate. Others dislike the job and punch a time clock for a paycheck...and still others are incredibly selfish, shortsighted, arrogant pricks waiting for any excuse to hurt someone. Some are just criminals and don't need any excuse. Policy matters. 65% percent of taserings in the U.S. occur when the suspect is not physically threatening anyone at all.
How did we handle swearing or shouting kids who go limp before tasers? If we beat the hell out them with batons would they stop yelling and stand up for us? If all these bleeding hearts would let judges use pain compliance to enforce subpoenas and punish contempt then the fun would really begin. We could have torture rooms in jails and prisons and use them on journalists protecting their sources. Then we could change from humane executions to "death by cheesgrater" covered live on fox news.
UCLA is a "public entity" and gets its all its lawyer defense and court fees paid by the tax payors of CA. They spend millions on defense of their violations of the law. Would you like to have an unlimited defense fund? they CAN TAZER their students, cause we allow it.
"Student resists." --so charge him with the crime of resisting arrest, and put his limp non-violent body in the back of a car. Kicking him in the face, shooting him in the head, breaking his bones with batons, repeatedly stunning him with 200,000 volts until he obeys you or dies---these are not ways we want our police to "deal" with people who pose no physical threat to them or anyone else. REAL SIMPLE.
Yep, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing really gets in the way of police work. Trials and judges are pretty much a waste of time. Society should empower college drop out cops to shoot anyone in the head for whatever reason they want. All our cops should have that much power. Just arresting suspects and jailing them and bringing them before a judge to decide guilt and punishment is just being "soft on crime"---WOW--you are a lunatic.
Civil disobedience is our duty, according to the founding fathers, when a government employee violates our constitutional rights on GOVERNMENT property by asking "papers, please" for "general security."
Most of what GOVERNMENT employees at PUBLIC universities get away with is unconstitutional. That's why the supreme court has refused to rule on 1st ammendment issues at public universities. If they do it would reveal that the whole bill of rights applies at PUBLIC universities.
dumbo and moron?...and I thought just "bucko" meant you were losing the debate. Waterboarding is just pain compliance...it doesn't leave any marks. I like the "stand up or i'll kick you in the face again" analogy someone gave further up the page.
UCLA is a STATE RUN PUBLIC INSTITUTION. Public schools where legal adults attend creates a MESSY situation for The Supreme Court. It has refused to rule on public universities' constitutional limits in the past.
See: "Edward Lawson Supreme Court" video here on youtube. The Supreme court has ruled that I.D. checks by government employees for the purposes of "general security" are NOT Constitutional. That he was disobeying a "lawful order" is questionable.
IF this were a private University I wouldn't agree with you. Private homes and businesses can be run however the owner wants. But in this case you are right. A PUBLIC GOVERNMENT RUN UNIVERSITY is the GOVERNMENT. I know the government probably has articulable reasons to require I.D. for entry to a courthouse or military building but random I.D. checks for "general security" by government more resembles the Gestapo or former Soviet Union than the U.S. Constitution.
In March, Orange County police used a taser electrical shock gun on an 18 year old Orlando man who was tied to a hospital bed. The reason given was that the man refused to give a urine sample.
He has the responsibility not to assault or physically threaten officers or other people. "pain compliance" violates international standards prohibiting torture: see (UN) Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials and the Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials.
What? are you for real? Pain compliance is used everywhere. When I was in training for my prison job we spent two days on different ways to apply pain in order to make people comply. some people feel better then hear. Pain compliance has NOTHING to do with torture dumbass.
jew gassing was used EVERYWHERE in Nazi controlled europe in 1944. Are you really that much a sheep you can't ever question the actions of government? God help us.
yes that is what i am saying. The cops are paid to deal with the wackos, deaf people, civil disobedient hippies etc in a humane way. In New Orleans a group of cops shot and killed an unarmed developmentally disabled man...I guess you'd say he deserved it by not living up to their expectations of obedience. Whether the citizen is mentally handicapped or not, Weapons are for defense. If torture or murder become frowned upon police techniques, a lot less of these tragedies would occur.
not wheelchairs...backup. There are always more cops to help in the case of a non compliant citizen...no back strain is involved. "Do what i say or i'll torture you" is an ego trip and a violation of human rights. Weapons are entrusted to them for defense not torture. They crossed a line using a weapon this way. I've seen a lot of vids where the police just dragged the citizen away no problem.
The bottom line is there was enough policemen there to pick the man up and carry him the multiple tasing was the police stupified by the big scene that had gathered I herd the man on the video say many times he would leave just don't touch him that is fare. Also he oviosly had no gun or bomb. Yes he probable wasn't suppose to be there but the police didn't or couldn't handle this small problem that they let get out of hand, I could have physicaly removed the man without tasing him once.
Cops abused power here. They also threatened to taser the student who complained. What a bunch of jerks. UCLA students should rally until the guards are fired and that kid should sue the police.
Everyone seems to ignore the fact that the kid said, "I'M NOT FIGHTING YOU." Now the police are trained to speak loudly when commanding someone to comply so that bystanders can hear them, such as, "STOP FIGHTING." Think about that.
yup first time, yeah ok, i can go with that, 5 times AFTER that. Abuse of power. They could have easily carried him out after the first tazering. Just pick him up just as you dont tazering him and he wouldn't have been much of an problem if you ask me. O_o
That kid who was tasered is a little rich bitch. Fuck him and his claims. If there's a rule to show ID after a specific time on a college campus, show the fucking thing! Whatever you're doing is nearly as important to the saftety of the college campus.
Look, whether or not he deserved to be tased the first time isn't the problem. Even if he was a jerk, and thats what many of you are saying. After he was HANDCUFFED they tased him 5 more times as reported by students who where there, more specifically the kid in the shirt.
Where do you draw the line? It was a library, not a chemical lab or nuclear power plant. Way to much security for some books.
you people sound ridiculous. the kid was in a library...so what..he didnt have an ID so what..you cant toture someone for that..what a bunch of brainwashed dumb assed republican shitheads. those FAKE -U-cops are lazy. all they needed to do is hold him there until the cops showed up..thats it.
The cops were REAL government employees. The person orignally asking for I.D's was a REAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE. "Papers, please" I.D. checks have been ruled unconstitutional on government property during business hours. In 1971 the Supreme Court ruled we have the right to wear a "fuck the draft" jacket in a courthouse if we want. That this kid swore here is irrelevant.
The Supreme court refuses to rule on public post-secondary constitutional issues unfortunately.
He was a student at UCLA. For whatever reason, he didn't show his ID card. Maybe he forgot it at home. Also, he might've taken longer to leave then normal because he wanted to finish something up at the library. Did he deserve to be tazered? I don't think so. I didn't hear him even swear in this video, or others, as some claim he has.
second of all, i must say this, the kid was stupid in the sense that they asked him to leave more than once ( so they say) and he should have complied, but if someone comes up behind u, officer or not, and he grabs u, ur telling me u wont scream or not comply rite off the bat, id b like WTF! too, but why the fuck was he screaming abou the patriot act, fucking idiot....
and second of all EternalMaster, u try getting hit with 20,000 volts of electricity into nerve system, and try to immediatly get up, let alone multple shocks, first times it knocks u down, the rest just keep shutting down those functions, seriously, u say it not so bad, show me a vid of u get tazered, and show me the voltage,
that guy is such a big wuss. Kicking, screaming, crying like a little #!%. He got what he asked for. He was asked to leave and he didn't. I hope they throw the book at him, resisting arrest, disturbance, etc.
Oh bullshit. I can tell you never have even sort of been certified in taser. There is no such thing as "electrifying" the muscles you fucking idiot. It effects the nervous system only. You might get a charley horse afterwards, MIGHT. Your job is to go back to being a sheep. Obviously you aren't a cop anymore because you couldn't handle it.
The last student in this video who was interviewed, who supported the police, didn't seem to know the correct time the library requires IDs. He said 10 pm. But the media reports say 11. I don't even know for sure and I go to ucla too.
Supposedly, at least this is what I've heard from those who support the police, "it is posted all over the library."
listen bottom line no matter your view they taised him with overr 50,000 volts of electricity and he was a STUDENT for those of you who are to damn dumb to realise this is why he screamed "heres your fucking patriot act" because he was showing his I.D. card the officers didnt have to take it that far and they even threatened to taiser innocent bystanders for "getting too close" this country is fuct
let's be accurate it was an m26 taser 200,000 volts, 4 times the voltage of a stun gun, minimum 5 seconds per burst but continues for as long as they hold the trigger after the first 5 secs.
What a bunch of little compliant brownshirts - so many kids with so little sense of history, justice, abuse of power - it's really disturbing what a bunch of lemmings a represented.
For those that see this shit for what it is...thank you.
Not listening? Perhaps. Swearing? Sure. Not obeying orders. Yup. A danger to himself and others? Didn't appear so to me. I have heard a lot of people express the opinion that because he did not do as he was told the police actions were justifiable and it serves him right for disobeying. Is it right to expect this sort of treatment if we inconvenience the police? Surely not. Maybe we should be questioning the police ethics and attitudes to the public?
from what i've heard he was leaving. plus, 3 police officers are strong enough to drag someone like that. they don't have to debilitate him before taking him out.
let me see, there were 3 police officers, and one college student in his 20s. i wonder who has the advantage? and they still used a taser? 3 or 4 times? that's ridiculous. this could have easily been resolved minus the tasing.
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Its the same people who are still Bush supporters. They consider themselves christians and completely lack any sense of empathy at all. This makes them extremely dangerous, as they believe everything they do is justified by God.
Thus the logic of putting a bullet in the head of a kid for breaking a rule.
lol @ the "abuse of power" argument. Sure that makes sense (note sarcasm), the officers thought 'let's go pick on a student and taser him for fun with dozens of witnesses around.'
His non-compliance got his ass in trouble. Obviously he wasn't a UCLA student, or simply refused to leave when he couldn't present ID. He got what he deserved.
You think it is ok to use a very painful and potentially lethal tazer because someone is "swearing?" I think our founding fathers would be a bit "shocked", don't you think?
The point is not what the student was doing... it's the way the police handled it. When he was first tasered, he was already handcuffed on the floor. There was no reason to taser him. That was excessive and completely unacceptable.
so much for a highly respected school. not only are the police body idiotic for shooting that many times, but even their own newscasters are morons. cheif? come on!
Sure, rules are implemented for a reason. But as you can see at the beginning of the video, regardless of how long it took for the student to comply, he left without any physical harm. It's the fact that they decided to use force while he was all packed and leaving. He's hot-headed and pissed off that he got kicked out of the library, give him that. But don't tase a brother when he's just about to leave. Completely unnecessary.
He argued for a littlebit, then was on his way out. The problem came when the officers wanted to escort him out, instead of him walking himself out. He didnt like them touching him....so they tased him instead.
But he didnt shoot out the library, he just refused to leave. Initially i'm with the cops, get him outta there. BUT not with tazers, and especially continuously tazering him...
Absolutely. The debate is not about whether we want police to have the power to arrest those to refuse lawful orders--It's about nothing more than the tactics--HOW we want citizens dispersed or handled during arrests and detentions.
What the kid did or didn't say or do--WHATEVER RULE HE BROKE OR WHATEVER HIS ATTITUDE WAS---has zero to do with what is pissing people off.
Yeah and he said he was going to leave, but nooo... cops decided to taser him and yell at him to stand up. I'd like to see you stand up after being shocked by a taser. 50,000 volts through your central nervous system. I dont think you can fucking move after that.
This kid should be required to have a psychological evaluation. An investigation should then be conducted into whether he is a member of an Al Qaeda cell. Finally, he should die. If he ever came to my house and started going nuts and screaming like a little bitch, I'd put a bullet in his head--forget the Taser.
He should have been carried out. He was clearly protesting. You do not taser someone that many times (for medical reasons) in front of so many people (well DUH).
Actually they've done it repeatedly on various grade schoolers including a kindergardener in FLORIDA, just google it. It's their new first resort when someone disobeys them. It's truly sick. Someone suffering from sever bipolar mania would be repeatedly tased even though he wasn't violent rather than being taken to a hospital for help. That could have been the case here. SICK.
eyewitness accounts say that he was leaving peacefully when the police decided to grab him. you would have been upset too. he was in handcuffs and they could have just carried him out. if the two of them couldn't handle carrying him they should have called for backup or a stretcher and tied him down.
The police are hired to enforce the law. The law stats that you MUST obey a lawful order from an officer or you are breaking the law. This student clearly broke the law, was yelling, beligerent and was refusing to cooperate.
Tasing is not an abuse of power. You had better do what the cops say or face the consequences. This vid demonstrates it's not real smart to get cocky with the cops.
Here in the U.S. we don't punish ppl before a trial and even then the judge can't sentence someone to taserings or beatings even for contempt. IF you have contempt for a cop then let him drag you to jail and face a judge. Pain compliance techniques are just plain torture by ego-junky college dropout cops.
You are an idiot. Police are hired and trained to enforce the laws. You are bound by law to follow any lawful order they give you. IF you don't, you are breaking the law and the police are empowered by the law to force your compliance. When they feel threatened, they can respond with force and it is within their rights as officers.
All they had to do was carry the non-violent civilly disobedient citizen to the car. Torturing mentally disabled,intoxicated,old,deaf or disturbed folks isn't OK! Cops never know why compliance isn't happening. Citizens have the right to a trial before their torture. 35% of the time there is a threat & tasering is justified in dropping a violent citizen without injuring/killing him. The idiot cops tasering for ego-trips will get pain compliance outlawed fast.
Taser /te-zər/ [tey-zer] : a small gunlike device that fires electric darts to incapacitate a person temporarily. Take note: INCAPACITATE! Then ask to stand up! Ok, he didn't comply to the officers command is that rational enough to use taser like torture? That sure was disturbing, unless you just came from IRAQ! He wasn't swearing or in disorderly conduct before he got tased. Communism USA here we come!!! ...land of the free & the home of the tased!
escorting is not grabbing your arm... is not tasering ... you are all talking like if you lived on the farm like animals... UCLA sounds like a farm, and it is becouse you are letting it happen. That is my view of UCLA now, especially with people saying "hey thats the rules, what can we do? they just cant deal with the social resistance and how we want to live our lives man." ugh!
CenCalDevil - The student wasn't merely escorted, a WEAPON that delivers an electric shock was used on him. How can the use of a Taser be justified in this particular situation? What if an officer chose to Taser you for littering, jaywalking, or for too many unpaid parking tickets? I would argue that these everyday occurrences are on the same level is not leaving a library. Unless you are threatening the safety of an officer or others, a weapon should never be used.
Also, the effect of a taser depends on the person being shot at. For some people it has no effect at all, yet for others it can cause death. And I'm not just saying this; death from a taser is definitely not a common thing, but it has happened. And for those who know more about what happened, the student was shouting that he had medical conditions. Bottom line, the police not unnecessary measures when they could have just handcuffed the guy.
I admit that the student was a bit slow in leaving, but the way the police responded was not justifiable. The student was on his way leaving when he was tasered. Also, you have to look at the triviality of his offense and the magnitude of the punishment. If a student acts up in class, should he as well be tasered? No.
Go to a 3rd world country, try the same thing and see what happens. Anyone reacting negatively to this situation is an idiot, What the hell does the Patriot Act have to do with anything? Plus the Patriot Act was not renewed, so this tells you how sckewed the story is in its presentation.
True, the patriot act has nothing to do with the police policy encouraging officers to use weapons on citizens who have neither harmed nor are threatening to harm anyone...--expressing one's ideas, emotions (including the "F" word) or opinions isn't punishable by torture...nothing skewed about that.
"it's not the police's job to have to pick-up and carry every person they arrest or escort from an area. The #1 reason is because not every person CAN be picked up by one or two officers. The #2 reason is because if the officers slip and fall while carrying someone, the person carried is really gonna get hurt. Tazering isn't as bad as falling on your face and busting your nose."
haha are you serious man, thats probably the dumbest thing i've ever heard. you should probably never talk again
Wow, these kids who are saying the cops did the right thing are fucking morons. I really hope they haven't seen the full video, because there's no fucking excuse for what happened to him in that situation.
I've been tased, dumbshit. It's part of the training. Go "BAAA" on the hillside you stupid fuck. Shesh, the reason I got out of LE was because of you stupid assholes.
Have you been thru Taser training? You and everyone else that hasn't had use of force training have no leg to stand on. You would be the first to bitch and moan if this guy attacked someone in that library with a gun or knife saying the police didn't do enough to protect you.
Multiple Taser applications DO NOT CAUSE PHYSICAL HARM! I have a heart condition and have been tased several times with no ill effects whatsoever. I'd rather be tased than peppersprayed any day.
Ah. So if you ever are out of line or fail to follow school rules once in your life, I expect you to be shot in the head and forgotten. You're defending the use of extreme force when it is unnecessary. I hope you never feel what it's like, for your sake.
swearing is legal. sorry to blow your mind. and the cops are supposed to be pros, to suggest that they were somehow "provoked" by his words means that they were deficient in their professionalism. which is also quite obvious from the footage.
It's not the police departments fault when someone refuses an order. Just because he goes to(or not)UCLA does not put him above the law. There's obviously a safety reason why the ID checks were going on: non-students please leave in order to protect full time and part time students!
Protect them from what exactly? The blight of "those who may not read?" There are libraries in every city. I wasn't aware this one was so different as to require extra security precautions. Without clear and present danger our new Nazi-like security precautions are disgusting. "papers, please!" The fact that students in the PUBLICLY FUNDED library are being asked to show I.D. is revolting.
A true Patriot is anyone who acts in any way which draws attention to our developing police state.
Before you make extreme judgements, think about the guys situation. He was on his way out when the police grabbed him and tried to escort him out. He told them "get off me".(smart) It was just simple defiance and he would've left in the long run but then they tased him.
Now looking at the cop's actions, why do you need to tase somebody who did not do any physical harm to you?
Overall: The police and the guy were dumbasses. The situation got out of hand because all 3 of them were stupid.
Yes these cops are dumbasses. The fact that most Police chiefs and trainers are instructing cops across the nation to tase whoever does no immediately do what they are told is no excuse. Nazis under Hitler and Himler were ALSO responsible for carring out inhumane insanely egotistical orders. These cops were dumbasses for following orders.
It was a library for Christ's sake! When was the last time someone had to use brute force to get someone out of such a building? A club or bar, I understand. Bouncers don't even need to tase a disruptive individual to get him/her out of a club. Police clearly abused their power when they could have just easily carried him out instead of causing such a scene. The only reason they did it was because of the huge crowd that was gathering. The ego, oh the ego.
the student should have left before the police arrived. but in all honesty and common sense, the police were DEFINITELY abusing their power, those who think otherwise... think a little deeper into the subject
Being physically violent and doing NOTHING are both being called "RESISTING." There is a HUGE difference between going limp or sitting down and attacking or wrestling police officers.
Not thinking deeply is what makes ppl use the word "RESISTING" to completely ignore that huge difference. NOT MOVING is exactly akin to NOT SPEAKING. "Do the Macarena and say the pledge of allegiance right now or I'll kick you in the nuts again!"
walkingshark: You have no clue what standard police policy is, nor do you have any idea what it takes to get a cop fired. These cops were called by campus employees to remove a kid who possibly wasn't a student from the library that only students could use. Refusing to stand up = refusing to leave. POLICE taser effects last about 5 - 10 seconds per jolt. The kid resisted moving for about 6 minutes, and they tasered him three times.
So you're telling me that after 3 taser shots, you could still stand under your own power? You'd be lucky to have bowel control after the fourth blast.
Shut up. I've been tased several times. It does NOTHING to you after the shock is over, you are up on your feet and back at it. I have a heart condition and have never had any trouble whatsoever. Those who lay around and cry are drama queens. I was tased three times for a total of 15 seconds (TASER FIRES ONLY ONE FIVE SECOND BURST PER TRIGGER PULL) and have been able to jump up and attack the officer who was trying to cuff me. It's called a fight-thru-drill.
I love folks like you shark, when presented with an opposing opinion and in this case, accompanied by facts, you assume a person can disagree with you only if being paid to do so. Reality bites, eh?
Fire, you clearly know nothing about tasers. The body does not store electricity. The neuro-physical incapacitation of being tasered ceases the moment the charge stops. It overrides the nervous system only while you are being tasered, control is restored to you once it stops. As for bowel control, you make no sense considering this procedure contracts muscles; your sphincter is a muscle.
Really? Maybe you're just a moron who doesn't do their research.
From wikipedia.com:
"Two to three seconds will often cause the subject to become dazed and drop to the ground, and over three seconds will usually completely disorient and drop an attacker for at least several minutes and possibly for up to fifteen minutes."
Next time you tell someone "they don't know what they're talking about", perhaps you should know a little something yoruself.
People have differing capacities for abuse that leaves no mark. For instance, if you whip the back of a non-compliant 1st grader's head with a wire coat hanger, some have thicker hair and it stings less, so they don't go into shock and are able to keep screaming and crying. But in both cases it leaves no marks...and after all, a 1st grader is capable of complying with the lawful order of a parent the first time it is spoken, so regardless of the trauma both deserved it, right?
"According to the many sources, a shock of half a second duration will cause intense pain and muscle contractions startling most people greatly. Two to three seconds will often cause the subject to become dazed and drop to the ground, and over three seconds will usually completely disorient and drop an attacker for at least several minutes and possibly for up to fifteen minutes."
Do your freaking research before you start calling out other people for not knowing something.
actually he got tasered 5 times. don't know if you've been tasered, it is possible to stand up after 1 or 2 shots, but not after 5. what if he had died? then what would be your stance? he deserved it? for not showing an ID card? on Countdown with Kieth Olberman, he was doing a report and finishing it up a couple minutes late and didn't have his "Bruin Card." he was walking out when the police grabbed him. many eyewitness accounts support this. get your facts straight.
So, for example, if you park at a parking meter and don't drop a nickle in, should three officers be able to taser you multiple times for failing to follow the rules?
That is, essentially, what you are advocating. Your argument says that once a rule has been broken, the police are justified to do anything, including using potentially lethal force, regardless of the severity of the crime or the behavior of the suspect.
And really, what alternative did police have hear? Call the kid's parents? lol Newsflash, when you get older, mommy and daddy can't come bail you out of every problem you have. If the kid is trespassing, he has to leave and the cops made him leave. End of story.
if the cops wanted to make him leave, why did the they repeatedly incapacitate him? use your brain. they could have slapped cuffs on him, but they wanted to play with their sadistic toys.
its true if they had simply picked him up and carried him out (as there were several of them there this would have been the simplest solution) there would have been zero reaction from onlookers. Instead they had to deal with an angry mob gathering around them demanding they stop abusing their power. "Get back or you'll be tasered too," said officer friendly. Although these cops appear to be the world's biggest morons they are only doing as they are being trained to do.
The issue is that the actions of the police were out of line. The department chief should be reprimanded, and all of the officers present should be terminated.
The police exist in large part to protect the weak. In this case, they were abusing someone blatantly and casually, with almost a sadistic pleasure ("Stand up or you'll get tasered again" is not standard police procedure, since a tasering renders many people unable to stand up).
"The police exist in large part to protect the weak."
What a naive statement, the polic exist to protect property and property owners, not the weak. Why would you hire thuggish, sociopathic bullies to protect their natural prey? That would be like hiring a wolf to watch the sheep.
That's actually profoundly true and accurate. Everybody knows cops will harass the homeless all day everyday just because homeless don't know how or can't afford to retaliate legally. Cops are VERY careful about even slightly inconveniencing a civil tort attorney who could end their career and take their home and care in a matter of months for just one wrong move.
Shark, you should probably stop guessing at this stuff, you look silly. It absolutely is policy to announce to the person if they do not comply, they will get tasered again. He wasn't being tasered during the NUMEROUS times he was asked to stand up and yes, he was fully capable of standing up, he simply refused to. You armchair quarterbacks are wonderfully entertaining. Oh and "to protect the weak"? Wow, strange thoughts run through your head.
It's true that the rampant pain compliance tasering going on everywhere including on the multiple children in Florida is absolutely not a violation of police policy. Police Chiefs and trainers across the nation are every day teaching and instructing officers to use this weapon on anyone who disrespects them or does no immediately obey their every command. It's an ego trip. They may as well be legally allowed to say "stand up now or I'll kick you in the nuts." --That leaves no marks either.
Technically they broke the law by using the taser for pain compliance without using less harsh methods first. While a taser is considered a "less than lethal" weapon, it can do damage to the nervous system and can have different effects on different people. Some people die from tasering. Some people can be tasered multiple times with no ill effects (beyond those from the actual tasering).
You are full of shit. Have you actually been thru Taser training? NO, so shut up. The Taser is not built for pain compliance. In fact, the three times I've been Tased, it didn't hurt, it just locks you up. It's a startling effect more than pain. All it does is get you to comply. Quit being an idiot computer chair police review board.
Hmmmmm... kadetklapp, you say "it just locks you up." Then why would you immediately demand that the recipient "stand up"? And why would you taser him again and again for not standing up immediately?
Also, Colonel Klink, you are obviously a law enforcement person who chose to be tasered for some reason. It is a lot different when you are handcuffed and repeatedly tasered by threatening folks, and you don't know the limits of how abusive they will get.
entelekhia: it's not the police's job to have to pick-up and carry every person they arrest or escort from an area. The #1 reason is because not every person CAN be picked up by one or two officers. The #2 reason is because if the officers slip and fall while carrying someone, the person carried is really gonna get hurt. Tazering isn't as bad as falling on your face and busting your nose.
"it's not the police's job to have to pick-up and carry every person they arrest or escort from an area."
yes, it is.
Nobody has to cooperate with aprehending officers, just as it is the job of the police to take them by force otherwise.
Problem is he was handcuffed on the ground and "went limp". The officer threatened him with "Get up or I'll taze you again!" which they had no more right to do than threaten, "Get up or I'll kick you in the face again!"
I know you wrote this comment a while ago but I just wanted to say it is well said.
65% of taser use is on ppl who pose no physical threat. Before tasers batons were the non lethal weapon relied on by police. We should ask ourselves what this scene would have looked like had they been telling him to stand up while beating him while he was handcuffed like that.
Are we now in favor of parents using pain compliance on their children as long as they leave no marks?
why did they cut the part where he says:
"I said, I --- would --- leave".
and didnt mention that he was on his way out??!
4idealworld 4 years ago
It's called being an adult. If you screw up by not bringing your ID when you know that's the policy, you take responsibility for that. You pack up and leave, and do so in a way that doesn't disturb the other students. You don't act as if you are above the rules by dragging your feet, or that being inconvenienced is of such earth-shaking importance that it's OK to derail everyone else's work. If he had been mature about it, the situation wouldn't have escalated.
SgtEdwards 4 years ago
It's not a matter of refusal to leave the library but a matter of a sick demonstration of power by guys who have serious complexes!3officers can't handle 1person without a taser?Refusal of leaving the library can only be handled by power?That's the western democracy we're so proud of.This is a tippical way of dealing with probs when it comes to US, isn't it?Seatle 1993-here's your democracy.Seems like US is obsessed by searching for threats in wrong places...
Szpilberg 4 years ago
Not really.
SgtEdwards 4 years ago
Fuck you whiners. They should taser all of you adolesent spoiled brats. When the cops tell to do something and you don't, you better either bring your best or take whats coming and SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is what happens when all your life mommy and daddy tell you that your are special and don't make you do as your told
nauhteeboy 4 years ago
justified
bmwracer01 4 years ago
the reporter is pretty hot
avp689 4 years ago
IF people had just obeyed Stalin, maybe a few million less of them would have been abducted, tortured and murdered. IF the Kurds had been more respectful of Sadaam Hussein they wouldn't have had to have been attacked with chemical weapons.
Police Policy in the United States has crossed now taken a small step across the line, and millions of intelligent people familiar wiith world history can see this. We are in violation of international law, like the human rights violaters we invade.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
B.Hawaii, Everyone was warned that they needed to show their id...he refused adn was asked SEVERAL Times to leave (based on school policy). are the police suppose to say ohh u dont want to show your id and don't want to leave...ok u can stay,,,, then if he he blow up the place. or raping a student in the library .... Everyone will pounce on the officers for not doing their job.
It goes both ways... abide by the law...issue like this will not happen.
pharmd90 4 years ago
We need laws and law enforcement. Our constitution is to make sure laws are humane. The UN set up standards to ensure that law ENFORCEMENT is humane. Tasers are a brilliant way to keep from seriously injuring a suspect who is physically threatening to officers, himself, others. To taser for compliance with orders lawful or otherwise violates UN standards. Pain compliance is a euphemism for torture, pure and simple. If parents can't do it to children, cops shouldn't do it citizens.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Hawaii, Well although i have kids and did spank open hand my sone twice. and when i felt my emotions got me reved up...I walked off and told him to go his rm. 'he disobeyed and almost got injured"
Taser is to make someone inmobile.... for a non compliant guy..
He could have avoided this by listening to the officers. the police has to inforce the rules ie removing non student (in this case a student who refuse to id self)
pharmd90 4 years ago
Hawaii He could have left and went to get his id and come back but he did not. He chosse to use profane language....he choose not to use good comon sense to avoid this....For all we know with the facts in front of us...he could have been a non student preying and an unsuspect person.
If he was cuffed and needed to be carried down the stairs...he could have resisited arrest and injure him self and or the police.
So tell me what is your solution. How can this be avoided?
pharmd90 4 years ago
Not long ago, police simply carried out folks who wouldn't cooperate. IF rather than non-violently going limp the protestor attacked or struggled physically with officers, THEN they used a non-lethal weapon, like mace, pepper spray or a baton. Most of the time they didn't pull a rodney king on them, they just got them under control. But when someone is PHYSICALLY AGGRESSIVE toward a cop or anyone else, THEN i am support of the police using non-lethal weapons, repeatedly if necessary.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
If police have to physically carry you away, you are not complying with a lawful order. You should be charged and then have to appear in court to answer for the charge. Then how about this far out concept: You get an opportunity to have a lawyer and witnesses for your defense before guilt is decided and you are sentenced to punishment. Then since this isn't the third world instead of being whipped or electrocuted you are detained or fined. How bout that.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Personally, I think rather than hog-tying someone and having four or mor officers toss him in the back of a cruiser they should have a vehicle similar to an ambulance they could call and a couple cops could use the exact same stretcher the EMT's use to carry the mentally disabled person away with dignity...if he were having a seizure, or deaf or retarded, that would be way better than a taser.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
I had a diabetic friend that would get really nasty grouchy just before he would go into insulin shock...that would have been the method I would have preffered for him rather than repeated electrocutin until he seizured and died.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
do you know what insulin shock is? Although we can be empathetic to to ill. But what about society woes. Like i would not like my child be raped by a mental impaired? Being tazered is not being eloctucuted to death it to impair someone.
pharmd90 4 years ago
Think we ought to give tasers to teachers in the classroom and nurses in mental hospitals?
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
So Zap all the children, retards and bipolar students like the kid in this video----gotcha genius.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Unless a citizen is posing a threat to someone it seems like depriving them of the liberty to NOT BE TORTURED before due process is a tad unconstitional.
Any American who has sworn an oath to defend the United States Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic has a duty to file civil torts as well as FBI color of law complaints every time a taser is fired for "pain compliance" as opposed to defense. Cities who endorse torture should be sued until they "get it."
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
He got violent? Were that an honest statement not one person would oppose the proper use of a non-lethal weapon in bringing him down. But 65% of police tasering is pain compliance which is torture, not defense.
He wasn't leaving quickly enough, raised his voice in a library (GASP) & shouted THE FORBIDDEN F WORD only AFTER he was tased.
Goptards call both striking out and going limp "resisting" as if there is no difference between one who sits and one who attempts to injure officers.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Yeah, funny how that pesky first amendment means its not legal to kick the crap out of anyone who says something you personally CHOOSE to be offended by.
BUT if someone calls you "quirky" we should amend the constitution so if THAT word or even the letter "q" is used, you should be able to legally remove someone's ear with a knife. This pain compliance bullshit is an ego trip and it is endorsed by the leadership of police depts across the nation. "stand up or I'll kick you in the balls again!"
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Taser training needs to consist of a guy hitting you with six or eight ten-second-trigger-held-down blasts...so that then when some GOPtard correction officer says he knows what its like he'd actually be telling the truth.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Cops are like any large group of ppl. some are happy, wise, fair and compassionate. Others dislike the job and punch a time clock for a paycheck...and still others are incredibly selfish, shortsighted, arrogant pricks waiting for any excuse to hurt someone. Some are just criminals and don't need any excuse. Policy matters. 65% percent of taserings in the U.S. occur when the suspect is not physically threatening anyone at all.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
How did we handle swearing or shouting kids who go limp before tasers? If we beat the hell out them with batons would they stop yelling and stand up for us? If all these bleeding hearts would let judges use pain compliance to enforce subpoenas and punish contempt then the fun would really begin. We could have torture rooms in jails and prisons and use them on journalists protecting their sources. Then we could change from humane executions to "death by cheesgrater" covered live on fox news.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
hahaha
braddizzle 4 years ago
UCLA is a "public entity" and gets its all its lawyer defense and court fees paid by the tax payors of CA. They spend millions on defense of their violations of the law. Would you like to have an unlimited defense fund? they CAN TAZER their students, cause we allow it.
rockygreenmountains 4 years ago
I have no idea what makes people think UCLA is not owned and run by the State of California.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Where did you get the idea that UCLA is not owned and run by the State of California?
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
"Student resists." --so charge him with the crime of resisting arrest, and put his limp non-violent body in the back of a car. Kicking him in the face, shooting him in the head, breaking his bones with batons, repeatedly stunning him with 200,000 volts until he obeys you or dies---these are not ways we want our police to "deal" with people who pose no physical threat to them or anyone else. REAL SIMPLE.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
LOL ? The Cops were soft on crime ? Are all UCLA students are so theatrical ?
snowonweb 4 years ago
Only guy that had a problem with it, was a semi black dude.... LOL, He's worried now if he fucks up, hes gonna get tased.
arisythila 4 years ago
Yep, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing really gets in the way of police work. Trials and judges are pretty much a waste of time. Society should empower college drop out cops to shoot anyone in the head for whatever reason they want. All our cops should have that much power. Just arresting suspects and jailing them and bringing them before a judge to decide guilt and punishment is just being "soft on crime"---WOW--you are a lunatic.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
Civil disobedience is our duty, according to the founding fathers, when a government employee violates our constitutional rights on GOVERNMENT property by asking "papers, please" for "general security."
Most of what GOVERNMENT employees at PUBLIC universities get away with is unconstitutional. That's why the supreme court has refused to rule on 1st ammendment issues at public universities. If they do it would reveal that the whole bill of rights applies at PUBLIC universities.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
dumbo and moron?...and I thought just "bucko" meant you were losing the debate. Waterboarding is just pain compliance...it doesn't leave any marks. I like the "stand up or i'll kick you in the face again" analogy someone gave further up the page.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
Again, prove that a public university is private property--the supreme court has refused to rule on it so far--for a very good reason.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
"It is PRIVATE property"...
UCLA is a STATE RUN PUBLIC INSTITUTION. Public schools where legal adults attend creates a MESSY situation for The Supreme Court. It has refused to rule on public universities' constitutional limits in the past.
See: "Edward Lawson Supreme Court" video here on youtube. The Supreme court has ruled that I.D. checks by government employees for the purposes of "general security" are NOT Constitutional. That he was disobeying a "lawful order" is questionable.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
IF this were a private University I wouldn't agree with you. Private homes and businesses can be run however the owner wants. But in this case you are right. A PUBLIC GOVERNMENT RUN UNIVERSITY is the GOVERNMENT. I know the government probably has articulable reasons to require I.D. for entry to a courthouse or military building but random I.D. checks for "general security" by government more resembles the Gestapo or former Soviet Union than the U.S. Constitution.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
In March, Orange County police used a taser electrical shock gun on an 18 year old Orlando man who was tied to a hospital bed. The reason given was that the man refused to give a urine sample.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
He has the responsibility not to assault or physically threaten officers or other people. "pain compliance" violates international standards prohibiting torture: see (UN) Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials and the Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
What? are you for real? Pain compliance is used everywhere. When I was in training for my prison job we spent two days on different ways to apply pain in order to make people comply. some people feel better then hear. Pain compliance has NOTHING to do with torture dumbass.
Mookfook2 5 years ago
jew gassing was used EVERYWHERE in Nazi controlled europe in 1944. Are you really that much a sheep you can't ever question the actions of government? God help us.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
yes that is what i am saying. The cops are paid to deal with the wackos, deaf people, civil disobedient hippies etc in a humane way. In New Orleans a group of cops shot and killed an unarmed developmentally disabled man...I guess you'd say he deserved it by not living up to their expectations of obedience. Whether the citizen is mentally handicapped or not, Weapons are for defense. If torture or murder become frowned upon police techniques, a lot less of these tragedies would occur.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
not wheelchairs...backup. There are always more cops to help in the case of a non compliant citizen...no back strain is involved. "Do what i say or i'll torture you" is an ego trip and a violation of human rights. Weapons are entrusted to them for defense not torture. They crossed a line using a weapon this way. I've seen a lot of vids where the police just dragged the citizen away no problem.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
Innocent people should learn how to fight fire with fire.
iv81 5 years ago
The bottom line is there was enough policemen there to pick the man up and carry him the multiple tasing was the police stupified by the big scene that had gathered I herd the man on the video say many times he would leave just don't touch him that is fare. Also he oviosly had no gun or bomb. Yes he probable wasn't suppose to be there but the police didn't or couldn't handle this small problem that they let get out of hand, I could have physicaly removed the man without tasing him once.
bleezyness 5 years ago
Cops abused power here. They also threatened to taser the student who complained. What a bunch of jerks. UCLA students should rally until the guards are fired and that kid should sue the police.
iknowuwell 5 years ago
Everyone seems to ignore the fact that the kid said, "I'M NOT FIGHTING YOU." Now the police are trained to speak loudly when commanding someone to comply so that bystanders can hear them, such as, "STOP FIGHTING." Think about that.
thunderhead777 5 years ago
you want safety.... get a job @ 7-11
rastaboogie 5 years ago
They speak farsi in iran.
mo0s3 5 years ago
yup first time, yeah ok, i can go with that, 5 times AFTER that. Abuse of power. They could have easily carried him out after the first tazering. Just pick him up just as you dont tazering him and he wouldn't have been much of an problem if you ask me. O_o
Colthanas 5 years ago
That kid who was tasered is a little rich bitch. Fuck him and his claims. If there's a rule to show ID after a specific time on a college campus, show the fucking thing! Whatever you're doing is nearly as important to the saftety of the college campus.
Go to hell!
CenCalDevil 5 years ago
Look, whether or not he deserved to be tased the first time isn't the problem. Even if he was a jerk, and thats what many of you are saying. After he was HANDCUFFED they tased him 5 more times as reported by students who where there, more specifically the kid in the shirt.
Where do you draw the line? It was a library, not a chemical lab or nuclear power plant. Way to much security for some books.
Xetelian 5 years ago
All you students who think thats okay. lets see how you feel when some cops take advantage of you.
Like the kid was really a threat to anything or anyone.
It looked like the gestapo taking away the jews....FUCK WAKE UP people !!!
all of the people who agree with the cops need to be tasered then we will see if you are singing the same pathetic song
xpez 5 years ago
you people sound ridiculous. the kid was in a library...so what..he didnt have an ID so what..you cant toture someone for that..what a bunch of brainwashed dumb assed republican shitheads. those FAKE -U-cops are lazy. all they needed to do is hold him there until the cops showed up..thats it.
xpez 5 years ago
The cops were REAL government employees. The person orignally asking for I.D's was a REAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE. "Papers, please" I.D. checks have been ruled unconstitutional on government property during business hours. In 1971 the Supreme Court ruled we have the right to wear a "fuck the draft" jacket in a courthouse if we want. That this kid swore here is irrelevant.
The Supreme court refuses to rule on public post-secondary constitutional issues unfortunately.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
He was a student at UCLA. For whatever reason, he didn't show his ID card. Maybe he forgot it at home. Also, he might've taken longer to leave then normal because he wanted to finish something up at the library. Did he deserve to be tazered? I don't think so. I didn't hear him even swear in this video, or others, as some claim he has.
sdafergu 5 years ago
and try to get rite back up
second of all, i must say this, the kid was stupid in the sense that they asked him to leave more than once ( so they say) and he should have complied, but if someone comes up behind u, officer or not, and he grabs u, ur telling me u wont scream or not comply rite off the bat, id b like WTF! too, but why the fuck was he screaming abou the patriot act, fucking idiot....
all in all it was a great LOL for me
whopper68 5 years ago
and second of all EternalMaster, u try getting hit with 20,000 volts of electricity into nerve system, and try to immediatly get up, let alone multple shocks, first times it knocks u down, the rest just keep shutting down those functions, seriously, u say it not so bad, show me a vid of u get tazered, and show me the voltage,
whopper68 5 years ago
that guy is such a big wuss. Kicking, screaming, crying like a little #!%. He got what he asked for. He was asked to leave and he didn't. I hope they throw the book at him, resisting arrest, disturbance, etc.
j2owilson 5 years ago
Oh bullshit. I can tell you never have even sort of been certified in taser. There is no such thing as "electrifying" the muscles you fucking idiot. It effects the nervous system only. You might get a charley horse afterwards, MIGHT. Your job is to go back to being a sheep. Obviously you aren't a cop anymore because you couldn't handle it.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
The last student in this video who was interviewed, who supported the police, didn't seem to know the correct time the library requires IDs. He said 10 pm. But the media reports say 11. I don't even know for sure and I go to ucla too.
Supposedly, at least this is what I've heard from those who support the police, "it is posted all over the library."
takinittot 5 years ago
freedom of speech, for one. that's the first amendment, by the way.
i'm not saying i agree that this is police brutality, but that was a dumb thing to say.
cheshirepig 5 years ago
listen bottom line no matter your view they taised him with overr 50,000 volts of electricity and he was a STUDENT for those of you who are to damn dumb to realise this is why he screamed "heres your fucking patriot act" because he was showing his I.D. card the officers didnt have to take it that far and they even threatened to taiser innocent bystanders for "getting too close" this country is fuct
norpalorp 5 years ago
let's be accurate it was an m26 taser 200,000 volts, 4 times the voltage of a stun gun, minimum 5 seconds per burst but continues for as long as they hold the trigger after the first 5 secs.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
What a bunch of little compliant brownshirts - so many kids with so little sense of history, justice, abuse of power - it's really disturbing what a bunch of lemmings a represented.
For those that see this shit for what it is...thank you.
CityzenJane 5 years ago
jstur: baaaaaa.... now go pick up your nsa check.
treefrog23 5 years ago
Not listening? Perhaps. Swearing? Sure. Not obeying orders. Yup. A danger to himself and others? Didn't appear so to me. I have heard a lot of people express the opinion that because he did not do as he was told the police actions were justifiable and it serves him right for disobeying. Is it right to expect this sort of treatment if we inconvenience the police? Surely not. Maybe we should be questioning the police ethics and attitudes to the public?
EdithBiggle 5 years ago
from what i've heard he was leaving. plus, 3 police officers are strong enough to drag someone like that. they don't have to debilitate him before taking him out.
dchoubak 5 years ago
let me see, there were 3 police officers, and one college student in his 20s. i wonder who has the advantage? and they still used a taser? 3 or 4 times? that's ridiculous. this could have easily been resolved minus the tasing.
dchoubak 5 years ago
Young man, there's no need to feel down, I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground, I said, young man,'cause you're in a new town There's no need to be unhappy, ZAP,ZAP,ZAP,ZAP,ZAP! It's fun to study at U.C.L.A!
edisonoside 5 years ago
That is classic. Someone please make the video!
treefrog23 5 years ago
Thanks. Nice to see a real LEO and not a paid shill for the taser industry step up and talk. :)
walkingshark 5 years ago
If I was paid dumbfuck I wouldn't be dicking around on You Tube reading stupid shit.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
COMPLY WITH THE ORDER
COMPLY WITH THE ORDER
lol... wow. Anyone defending this savagery is being paid or has forgotten their humanity.
rkef 5 years ago
Its the same people who are still Bush supporters. They consider themselves christians and completely lack any sense of empathy at all. This makes them extremely dangerous, as they believe everything they do is justified by God.
Thus the logic of putting a bullet in the head of a kid for breaking a rule.
walkingshark 5 years ago
lol @ the "abuse of power" argument. Sure that makes sense (note sarcasm), the officers thought 'let's go pick on a student and taser him for fun with dozens of witnesses around.'
His non-compliance got his ass in trouble. Obviously he wasn't a UCLA student, or simply refused to leave when he couldn't present ID. He got what he deserved.
epiker 5 years ago
Not only MULTIPLE shocks, but multiple shocks WHILE HE WAS HAND-CUFFED.
xtrarich 5 years ago
You think it is ok to use a very painful and potentially lethal tazer because someone is "swearing?" I think our founding fathers would be a bit "shocked", don't you think?
xtrarich 5 years ago
The point is not what the student was doing... it's the way the police handled it. When he was first tasered, he was already handcuffed on the floor. There was no reason to taser him. That was excessive and completely unacceptable.
viva15musica 5 years ago
so much for a highly respected school. not only are the police body idiotic for shooting that many times, but even their own newscasters are morons. cheif? come on!
mikenike504 5 years ago
Sure, rules are implemented for a reason. But as you can see at the beginning of the video, regardless of how long it took for the student to comply, he left without any physical harm. It's the fact that they decided to use force while he was all packed and leaving. He's hot-headed and pissed off that he got kicked out of the library, give him that. But don't tase a brother when he's just about to leave. Completely unnecessary.
pethcir 5 years ago
exactly^^
manashima 5 years ago
He argued for a littlebit, then was on his way out. The problem came when the officers wanted to escort him out, instead of him walking himself out. He didnt like them touching him....so they tased him instead.
manashima 5 years ago
But he didnt shoot out the library, he just refused to leave. Initially i'm with the cops, get him outta there. BUT not with tazers, and especially continuously tazering him...
manashima 5 years ago
Absolutely. The debate is not about whether we want police to have the power to arrest those to refuse lawful orders--It's about nothing more than the tactics--HOW we want citizens dispersed or handled during arrests and detentions.
What the kid did or didn't say or do--WHATEVER RULE HE BROKE OR WHATEVER HIS ATTITUDE WAS---has zero to do with what is pissing people off.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
the hell you see that? He was at the door and was leaving
Saiko47 5 years ago
Yeah and he said he was going to leave, but nooo... cops decided to taser him and yell at him to stand up. I'd like to see you stand up after being shocked by a taser. 50,000 volts through your central nervous system. I dont think you can fucking move after that.
Saiko47 5 years ago
They are m26 tasers, not stun guns. 50,000 volts is what a cheap stun gun carries. Police tasers hit you with 150,000-200,000 volts.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
ATTENTION ALL UCLA STUDENTS AND YOU OTHER MORONS:
This kid should be required to have a psychological evaluation. An investigation should then be conducted into whether he is a member of an Al Qaeda cell. Finally, he should die. If he ever came to my house and started going nuts and screaming like a little bitch, I'd put a bullet in his head--forget the Taser.
Videosludge 5 years ago
Tasers are fun! What's his problem.
BaronRichthoffen 5 years ago
I do not see this instance as Police Brutality. That joker shd just stand up and co-operate. He was a pain to begin with.
Siti 5 years ago
fuckin cops "bang! now stand up before i shot you in the other leg!"
rx1ton 5 years ago
He should have been carried out. He was clearly protesting. You do not taser someone that many times (for medical reasons) in front of so many people (well DUH).
WashMitt 5 years ago
He stated clearly he had a medical condition. They simply chose to assume he was lying and repeatedly tase him--even handcuffed. STUPID.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Externalmaster must be a police or a cop.. lol...
pilot190989 5 years ago
They wouldn't do it in a highschool, they shouldn't do it in a college.
ApocolypticDeath 5 years ago
Actually they've done it repeatedly on various grade schoolers including a kindergardener in FLORIDA, just google it. It's their new first resort when someone disobeys them. It's truly sick. Someone suffering from sever bipolar mania would be repeatedly tased even though he wasn't violent rather than being taken to a hospital for help. That could have been the case here. SICK.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
eyewitness accounts say that he was leaving peacefully when the police decided to grab him. you would have been upset too. he was in handcuffs and they could have just carried him out. if the two of them couldn't handle carrying him they should have called for backup or a stretcher and tied him down.
dschriber 5 years ago
The police are hired to enforce the law. The law stats that you MUST obey a lawful order from an officer or you are breaking the law. This student clearly broke the law, was yelling, beligerent and was refusing to cooperate.
Tasing is not an abuse of power. You had better do what the cops say or face the consequences. This vid demonstrates it's not real smart to get cocky with the cops.
Jethrol2 5 years ago
Here in the U.S. we don't punish ppl before a trial and even then the judge can't sentence someone to taserings or beatings even for contempt. IF you have contempt for a cop then let him drag you to jail and face a judge. Pain compliance techniques are just plain torture by ego-junky college dropout cops.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
You are an idiot. Police are hired and trained to enforce the laws. You are bound by law to follow any lawful order they give you. IF you don't, you are breaking the law and the police are empowered by the law to force your compliance. When they feel threatened, they can respond with force and it is within their rights as officers.
Jethrol2 5 years ago
All they had to do was carry the non-violent civilly disobedient citizen to the car. Torturing mentally disabled,intoxicated,old,deaf or disturbed folks isn't OK! Cops never know why compliance isn't happening. Citizens have the right to a trial before their torture. 35% of the time there is a threat & tasering is justified in dropping a violent citizen without injuring/killing him. The idiot cops tasering for ego-trips will get pain compliance outlawed fast.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
What exactly did the guy do? Not leave or what? Still...they should have just handcuffed him or something...dunno if that would be right?
kelai1 5 years ago
i side with the police... sorry ...this was the patriot act... this was people forgetting that police DO have higher authority.
blueinkjar 5 years ago
If they had dragged him out i'd have no problem with it. But tazing, omfg, this is just abuse of power at its peak.
pathakindia 5 years ago
werd!
daprinceomar 5 years ago
Taser /te-zər/ [tey-zer] : a small gunlike device that fires electric darts to incapacitate a person temporarily. Take note: INCAPACITATE! Then ask to stand up! Ok, he didn't comply to the officers command is that rational enough to use taser like torture? That sure was disturbing, unless you just came from IRAQ! He wasn't swearing or in disorderly conduct before he got tased. Communism USA here we come!!! ...land of the free & the home of the tased!
bigdaddyquey 5 years ago
escorting is not grabbing your arm... is not tasering ... you are all talking like if you lived on the farm like animals... UCLA sounds like a farm, and it is becouse you are letting it happen. That is my view of UCLA now, especially with people saying "hey thats the rules, what can we do? they just cant deal with the social resistance and how we want to live our lives man." ugh!
chachalaca777 5 years ago
CenCalDevil - The student wasn't merely escorted, a WEAPON that delivers an electric shock was used on him. How can the use of a Taser be justified in this particular situation? What if an officer chose to Taser you for littering, jaywalking, or for too many unpaid parking tickets? I would argue that these everyday occurrences are on the same level is not leaving a library. Unless you are threatening the safety of an officer or others, a weapon should never be used.
sassysally82 5 years ago
Looks like anyone can be a police officer in America, just tazer away if anything goes wrong.
rickah1 5 years ago
to my second post, last sentence: I meant " the police TOOK unnecessary measures..."
yummieinmytummie 5 years ago
Also, the effect of a taser depends on the person being shot at. For some people it has no effect at all, yet for others it can cause death. And I'm not just saying this; death from a taser is definitely not a common thing, but it has happened. And for those who know more about what happened, the student was shouting that he had medical conditions. Bottom line, the police not unnecessary measures when they could have just handcuffed the guy.
yummieinmytummie 5 years ago
I admit that the student was a bit slow in leaving, but the way the police responded was not justifiable. The student was on his way leaving when he was tasered. Also, you have to look at the triviality of his offense and the magnitude of the punishment. If a student acts up in class, should he as well be tasered? No.
yummieinmytummie 5 years ago
Go to a 3rd world country, try the same thing and see what happens. Anyone reacting negatively to this situation is an idiot, What the hell does the Patriot Act have to do with anything? Plus the Patriot Act was not renewed, so this tells you how sckewed the story is in its presentation.
cobrapete 5 years ago
True, the patriot act has nothing to do with the police policy encouraging officers to use weapons on citizens who have neither harmed nor are threatening to harm anyone...--expressing one's ideas, emotions (including the "F" word) or opinions isn't punishable by torture...nothing skewed about that.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
on a lighter note, they did misspell chief. cheif, what the hell is that.
evantheguitarist 5 years ago
"it's not the police's job to have to pick-up and carry every person they arrest or escort from an area. The #1 reason is because not every person CAN be picked up by one or two officers. The #2 reason is because if the officers slip and fall while carrying someone, the person carried is really gonna get hurt. Tazering isn't as bad as falling on your face and busting your nose."
haha are you serious man, thats probably the dumbest thing i've ever heard. you should probably never talk again
dukejs 5 years ago
Wow, these kids who are saying the cops did the right thing are fucking morons. I really hope they haven't seen the full video, because there's no fucking excuse for what happened to him in that situation.
freshyill 5 years ago
I've been tased, dumbshit. It's part of the training. Go "BAAA" on the hillside you stupid fuck. Shesh, the reason I got out of LE was because of you stupid assholes.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
You've been tased 3 times you say? That explains the malfunction in your brain.
Tomibiki 5 years ago
Kade; "Go "BAAA" on the hillside you stupid fuck" ... now i really believe your a cop for sure... you sure sound like one =))
rastaboogie 5 years ago
kadetklapp first you said:
"Your job is to go back to being a sheep. Obviously you aren't a cop anymore because you couldn't handle it.
Then you said: "the reason I got out of LE was because of you stupid assholes"
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
Have you been thru Taser training? You and everyone else that hasn't had use of force training have no leg to stand on. You would be the first to bitch and moan if this guy attacked someone in that library with a gun or knife saying the police didn't do enough to protect you.
Multiple Taser applications DO NOT CAUSE PHYSICAL HARM! I have a heart condition and have been tased several times with no ill effects whatsoever. I'd rather be tased than peppersprayed any day.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
omg....sheeple everywhere
remember boys and girls...raise your voice in a library...get tased
bacci40 5 years ago
true--it WAS a library and he DID raise his voice within it. We should give tasers to librarians in case that happens in the future.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Why the fuck didn't the police just carry him away? or forcibly take the ID from him instead of tasering him.
tarikur 5 years ago
Ah. So if you ever are out of line or fail to follow school rules once in your life, I expect you to be shot in the head and forgotten. You're defending the use of extreme force when it is unnecessary. I hope you never feel what it's like, for your sake.
Firesights 5 years ago
I'm very proud to be European
zanzy 5 years ago
swearing is legal. sorry to blow your mind. and the cops are supposed to be pros, to suggest that they were somehow "provoked" by his words means that they were deficient in their professionalism. which is also quite obvious from the footage.
trevormail 5 years ago
It's not the police departments fault when someone refuses an order. Just because he goes to(or not)UCLA does not put him above the law. There's obviously a safety reason why the ID checks were going on: non-students please leave in order to protect full time and part time students!
CenCalDevil 5 years ago
Protect them from what exactly? The blight of "those who may not read?" There are libraries in every city. I wasn't aware this one was so different as to require extra security precautions. Without clear and present danger our new Nazi-like security precautions are disgusting. "papers, please!" The fact that students in the PUBLICLY FUNDED library are being asked to show I.D. is revolting.
A true Patriot is anyone who acts in any way which draws attention to our developing police state.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Before you make extreme judgements, think about the guys situation. He was on his way out when the police grabbed him and tried to escort him out. He told them "get off me".(smart) It was just simple defiance and he would've left in the long run but then they tased him.
Now looking at the cop's actions, why do you need to tase somebody who did not do any physical harm to you?
Overall: The police and the guy were dumbasses. The situation got out of hand because all 3 of them were stupid.
aznhobo465 5 years ago
Yes these cops are dumbasses. The fact that most Police chiefs and trainers are instructing cops across the nation to tase whoever does no immediately do what they are told is no excuse. Nazis under Hitler and Himler were ALSO responsible for carring out inhumane insanely egotistical orders. These cops were dumbasses for following orders.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
It was a library for Christ's sake! When was the last time someone had to use brute force to get someone out of such a building? A club or bar, I understand. Bouncers don't even need to tase a disruptive individual to get him/her out of a club. Police clearly abused their power when they could have just easily carried him out instead of causing such a scene. The only reason they did it was because of the huge crowd that was gathering. The ego, oh the ego.
pethcir 5 years ago
the student should have left before the police arrived. but in all honesty and common sense, the police were DEFINITELY abusing their power, those who think otherwise... think a little deeper into the subject
Brawn 5 years ago
Being physically violent and doing NOTHING are both being called "RESISTING." There is a HUGE difference between going limp or sitting down and attacking or wrestling police officers.
Not thinking deeply is what makes ppl use the word "RESISTING" to completely ignore that huge difference. NOT MOVING is exactly akin to NOT SPEAKING. "Do the Macarena and say the pledge of allegiance right now or I'll kick you in the nuts again!"
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
walkingshark: You have no clue what standard police policy is, nor do you have any idea what it takes to get a cop fired. These cops were called by campus employees to remove a kid who possibly wasn't a student from the library that only students could use. Refusing to stand up = refusing to leave. POLICE taser effects last about 5 - 10 seconds per jolt. The kid resisted moving for about 6 minutes, and they tasered him three times.
EternalMaster 5 years ago
So you're telling me that after 3 taser shots, you could still stand under your own power? You'd be lucky to have bowel control after the fourth blast.
Nice try though, Mr. Internet Tough Guy.
Firesights 5 years ago
Shut up. I've been tased several times. It does NOTHING to you after the shock is over, you are up on your feet and back at it. I have a heart condition and have never had any trouble whatsoever. Those who lay around and cry are drama queens. I was tased three times for a total of 15 seconds (TASER FIRES ONLY ONE FIVE SECOND BURST PER TRIGGER PULL) and have been able to jump up and attack the officer who was trying to cuff me. It's called a fight-thru-drill.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
How much are you getting paid to write these?
walkingshark 5 years ago
I love folks like you shark, when presented with an opposing opinion and in this case, accompanied by facts, you assume a person can disagree with you only if being paid to do so. Reality bites, eh?
Michelle5451 5 years ago
Nothing. Wish I was, it would supplement my income.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
Fire, you clearly know nothing about tasers. The body does not store electricity. The neuro-physical incapacitation of being tasered ceases the moment the charge stops. It overrides the nervous system only while you are being tasered, control is restored to you once it stops. As for bowel control, you make no sense considering this procedure contracts muscles; your sphincter is a muscle.
Michelle5451 5 years ago
Really? Maybe you're just a moron who doesn't do their research.
From wikipedia.com:
"Two to three seconds will often cause the subject to become dazed and drop to the ground, and over three seconds will usually completely disorient and drop an attacker for at least several minutes and possibly for up to fifteen minutes."
Next time you tell someone "they don't know what they're talking about", perhaps you should know a little something yoruself.
Firesights 5 years ago
People have differing capacities for abuse that leaves no mark. For instance, if you whip the back of a non-compliant 1st grader's head with a wire coat hanger, some have thicker hair and it stings less, so they don't go into shock and are able to keep screaming and crying. But in both cases it leaves no marks...and after all, a 1st grader is capable of complying with the lawful order of a parent the first time it is spoken, so regardless of the trauma both deserved it, right?
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
"According to the many sources, a shock of half a second duration will cause intense pain and muscle contractions startling most people greatly. Two to three seconds will often cause the subject to become dazed and drop to the ground, and over three seconds will usually completely disorient and drop an attacker for at least several minutes and possibly for up to fifteen minutes."
Do your freaking research before you start calling out other people for not knowing something.
Firesights 5 years ago
actually he got tasered 5 times. don't know if you've been tasered, it is possible to stand up after 1 or 2 shots, but not after 5. what if he had died? then what would be your stance? he deserved it? for not showing an ID card? on Countdown with Kieth Olberman, he was doing a report and finishing it up a couple minutes late and didn't have his "Bruin Card." he was walking out when the police grabbed him. many eyewitness accounts support this. get your facts straight.
dschriber 5 years ago
So, for example, if you park at a parking meter and don't drop a nickle in, should three officers be able to taser you multiple times for failing to follow the rules?
That is, essentially, what you are advocating. Your argument says that once a rule has been broken, the police are justified to do anything, including using potentially lethal force, regardless of the severity of the crime or the behavior of the suspect.
walkingshark 5 years ago
And really, what alternative did police have hear? Call the kid's parents? lol Newsflash, when you get older, mommy and daddy can't come bail you out of every problem you have. If the kid is trespassing, he has to leave and the cops made him leave. End of story.
EternalMaster 5 years ago
if the cops wanted to make him leave, why did the they repeatedly incapacitate him? use your brain. they could have slapped cuffs on him, but they wanted to play with their sadistic toys.
trevormail 5 years ago
its true if they had simply picked him up and carried him out (as there were several of them there this would have been the simplest solution) there would have been zero reaction from onlookers. Instead they had to deal with an angry mob gathering around them demanding they stop abusing their power. "Get back or you'll be tasered too," said officer friendly. Although these cops appear to be the world's biggest morons they are only doing as they are being trained to do.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
The issue is that the actions of the police were out of line. The department chief should be reprimanded, and all of the officers present should be terminated.
The police exist in large part to protect the weak. In this case, they were abusing someone blatantly and casually, with almost a sadistic pleasure ("Stand up or you'll get tasered again" is not standard police procedure, since a tasering renders many people unable to stand up).
walkingshark 5 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
"The police exist in large part to protect the weak."
What a naive statement, the polic exist to protect property and property owners, not the weak. Why would you hire thuggish, sociopathic bullies to protect their natural prey? That would be like hiring a wolf to watch the sheep.
shakingcliches 5 years ago
That's actually profoundly true and accurate. Everybody knows cops will harass the homeless all day everyday just because homeless don't know how or can't afford to retaliate legally. Cops are VERY careful about even slightly inconveniencing a civil tort attorney who could end their career and take their home and care in a matter of months for just one wrong move.
blahinhawaii 5 years ago
Again, you know nothing about the subject. Go away.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
Shark, you should probably stop guessing at this stuff, you look silly. It absolutely is policy to announce to the person if they do not comply, they will get tasered again. He wasn't being tasered during the NUMEROUS times he was asked to stand up and yes, he was fully capable of standing up, he simply refused to. You armchair quarterbacks are wonderfully entertaining. Oh and "to protect the weak"? Wow, strange thoughts run through your head.
Michelle5451 5 years ago
It's true that the rampant pain compliance tasering going on everywhere including on the multiple children in Florida is absolutely not a violation of police policy. Police Chiefs and trainers across the nation are every day teaching and instructing officers to use this weapon on anyone who disrespects them or does no immediately obey their every command. It's an ego trip. They may as well be legally allowed to say "stand up now or I'll kick you in the nuts." --That leaves no marks either.
blahinhawaii 4 years ago
Technically they broke the law by using the taser for pain compliance without using less harsh methods first. While a taser is considered a "less than lethal" weapon, it can do damage to the nervous system and can have different effects on different people. Some people die from tasering. Some people can be tasered multiple times with no ill effects (beyond those from the actual tasering).
walkingshark 5 years ago
You are full of shit. Have you actually been thru Taser training? NO, so shut up. The Taser is not built for pain compliance. In fact, the three times I've been Tased, it didn't hurt, it just locks you up. It's a startling effect more than pain. All it does is get you to comply. Quit being an idiot computer chair police review board.
kadetklapp 5 years ago
Hmmmmm... kadetklapp, you say "it just locks you up." Then why would you immediately demand that the recipient "stand up"? And why would you taser him again and again for not standing up immediately?
Also, Colonel Klink, you are obviously a law enforcement person who chose to be tasered for some reason. It is a lot different when you are handcuffed and repeatedly tasered by threatening folks, and you don't know the limits of how abusive they will get.
xtrarich 5 years ago
I agree with you.
damonkey12345 5 years ago
entelekhia: it's not the police's job to have to pick-up and carry every person they arrest or escort from an area. The #1 reason is because not every person CAN be picked up by one or two officers. The #2 reason is because if the officers slip and fall while carrying someone, the person carried is really gonna get hurt. Tazering isn't as bad as falling on your face and busting your nose.
EternalMaster 5 years ago
"it's not the police's job to have to pick-up and carry every person they arrest or escort from an area."
yes, it is.
Nobody has to cooperate with aprehending officers, just as it is the job of the police to take them by force otherwise.
Problem is he was handcuffed on the ground and "went limp". The officer threatened him with "Get up or I'll taze you again!" which they had no more right to do than threaten, "Get up or I'll kick you in the face again!"
absolute discusting abuse of power
tungsten2k 5 years ago
^^disgusting
tungsten2k 5 years ago
I know you wrote this comment a while ago but I just wanted to say it is well said.
65% of taser use is on ppl who pose no physical threat. Before tasers batons were the non lethal weapon relied on by police. We should ask ourselves what this scene would have looked like had they been telling him to stand up while beating him while he was handcuffed like that.
Are we now in favor of parents using pain compliance on their children as long as they leave no marks?
blahinhawaii 4 years ago