@GvardiyaBY After WWII everything nazi was torn down in Germany. Not because one wanted to deny the past, but because one realized its horror. Communism was even worse, communism has killed more than 120 million people.
The only thing Belarus has to fear is the freedom of its own people, hence the KGB there spies on its own people.
So it's not a regular, street version of the Trabant? So I was right then.
Most Germans want to see that statue torn down, it's a reminder of their horrific past.
Any proves about numbers of man died, or you just pulled data from your bum?
Have you ever being here? xD
KGB's main task is state security and fight against foregin involvments in destabilisation of country, common people are not of their interests. As I said, you are full of stereotypes.
You said that this Trabant is fake, all I wanted to say since we start this that you are completly wrong.
This is factory made version specialy for Rally , it is not regular one.
Very reliable source, no wander, even their claim is different than yours.
Second, they counted victims of great famine, which was product of failed argicultural reforms.
I listened lot of crap made by western historians, but they are quite different in comparation with ours, especially in therms of numbers. If you don't want to remember 99% of this soviet victims are from era of Stalin..
I watched that documentary about Marx, it was fun.
@GvardiyaBY I googled "black book of capitalism", here is what I found:
Le Livre Noir du Capitalisme (The Black Book of Capitalism) is a French book published in 1998, in reaction to The Black Book of Communism (1997). Unlike the latter however, Le Livre Noir du Capitalisme does not attempt to provide a comprehensive tally of victims of the politico-economic system in question.
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In other words, a pathetic attempt at copying "The black book of communism", with reversed roles.
However, capitalism doesn't kill. There's no capitalist Gulag. Capitalism means you have a choice. You choose what you want to buy, make, or whatever. Communism forces you. And if you don't agree, you're either put in prison/labour-camps for a long time, or you're outright murdered.
Now you know a bit more about communism and its past. Now you know what communism is. Communism was hell on earth... Belarus holds on to it. I pity the people who live there. Including you. I really do.
Hell on earth? I grew up under communism, retard, in difference than you who never even saw it. Stalin era was hell, afterwards it was marked by stability, almost non unemployment, free healthcare, education, and everyone had equal chance for sucsess.
Stop trolling around and for hell sakes, answer how old are you? 15? Why do you shame of your young age, troll?
Always same story, when you lose argument about thing you dont know, you turns to Stalin. All trolls are same.
@GvardiyaBY Which explains why you sound so brainwashed. 120 million dead. Yes, that is hell on earth. No wonder there weren't any unemployment. If someone was unemployed they'd be killed. I may not be old enough to have lived during communism, but my father is. He told me they had a newspaper in Soviet called "Pravda", which means truth, but it was really just filled with lies. Funny huh?
I'm not trolling you, I just believe in democracy and freedom.
You are just a dumb kid, that's all... that's why you don't want o reply about how old are you.
Prove me 120 million dead, even book you quote says completly different number, so as NKVD archive which was opened for first time after fall of communism.
"Democracy and freedom" my arse, law is something what rules even in your country and system. There is nothing like absolute freedom.
Your capitalist society was literally made on bodies of exploatated man, slaves, children workers which dig coal in mines during industrial revolution. Can't you figure about that counterpart of communism is capitalism, while counterpart of democracy is totalitarian state? In basic idea, communism is democracy at it's best, in employed systems, it was something different.
Still, you failed here, you trolled about Trabant, now you end up with this.. what in the earth is your problem?
@GvardiyaBY What are you on about? Slavery stems from a time and era way before capitalism. The only societies that still has slavery are communist. Look at China, look at Vietnam, look at North-Korea.
In a communist society the state owns everything. That is the opposite of freedom. In a capitalist society people own their own property. That is the very definition of freedom and democracy, making your own money and owning what you purchase for that money.
It was still used and deployed during capitalist era.
In capitalism you also work to earn money and pay taxes to state, so there is not major difference. You idealise your system too much. And no, owning property is not definition of freedom and democracy....
Video is not fake, as you claim, this is RS800 version.
What is your problem anyway? Factory use to make different version of this car, RS800 was one of them, made for Rennsport, and it was used a lot during GDR era on races.
So, what is fake here? Same car, bit more powerful 2t engine, different muffler.
You claimed how Trabant can't go over 60km/h, well, as I said on start, you were wrong, because regular 601s can go up to 112km/h, which is not bad for old small car 600cc engine.
@GvardiyaBY They're no RS200. Even the old Peugeot 207RC can do better than that IN FIRST GEAR!! And that's not even a racing car xD
And here you go, Алесь Беляцкий, a belarussian, speaks about how innocent people are taken away by the belarussian communist police in the night, some even shot, without any other reason than for their thoughts. He has been working for democracy in Belarussia for years and is now in jail for it!
You have mental problems, you know that? Why not compare McLaren F1 with RS800 than? Peugeot 207RS is car from 2000's, Trabant is car designed at 60's.
RS800 have 65hp and top speed of 165km/h, and I would like to see Peugeot 207RC going 165km/h in first gear. You are obviously idiotic 15 year old kid who wants to sound smart, and in fact have no clue about cars.
Беляцкий works for "Вясна", that explane a lot about him. And give me single proof that Belarus is communist country.
@GvardiyaBY Hmm... You're right. It's wrong of me to compare it with a modern car. But still, it was sold up until 1989, when communism collapsed. And in the west we had cars with more than 600bhp then.
Yes, Беляцкий works for the Human Rights organisation "Viasna", through which he has saved thousands of lives. That does say a lot about him.
Did I not say, in Minsk, the Lenin statue is in front of the Belarussian parliament building?
Last production model was made at 1990, there were many project to upgrade car, replace engine and body but central comity simply didn't allow that because of higher cost. You have to count that area of former DDR was mostly rural, and it was devastated during WW2, and Soviets didn't invest in DDR as much west invest in BRD.
Real counterparts of Trabant are cars like Citroen 2cv and Lloyd.
Statue of Lenin was erected at 30's. You still have Stalin's statue in Gori, Georgia...
@GvardiyaBY Nope. No Stalin statue in Gori, Georgia. It has been torn down by the people after Georgia became a democracy. (I googled it)
There's no Lenin-statue in Sweden. I should know. I was born there. And there's no Lenin-statue in Finland. They fought him in their war of independance. That would be like having a statue of Hitler in Israel!
Belarussia has a communist leader who refuses democratic elections in their country. Instead all the political opponents were locked up.
You proved that you know nothing about Trabants or any other car from east Europe or circumstanced under they were made... I have more important things than to argue with person who proved that it have no clue about this subject, and who wants to change theme of discussion.
If we meet sometimes under some political video, we will discuss about politics.
Are you retarded or what? Start to reply directly to me, not to post random comments here.
FYI, Gulags were closed after Stalin, capitalists destroyed people by pure exploatation, just check how many people died in bad conditions during industrial revolution and during slave trade era.
RS800 also have 2 stroke engine, but it is a bit stronger than regular one, it is not fake car.
And how can Marx be reminder of horrific times? He is one of the most non-understood man in history, with most humane ideas. Problem is that people who followed his ideas, deploy them on completly wrong way and give bad name to him.
PS. You did not reply to oen question.. how old are you?
About Lenin's statues... you have them in India, all over Russia, in Finland, France, Italy, Mongolia, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine, Belarus.
So is that making this countries a communist? Some countries simply refuse to destroy monuments placed there at past. If you wanna mark country as communist, you gotta check it's system.
@GvardiyaBY There were so many cars that were out by 1990 in the west that were so much more advanced than a car built in 1960... Just proves that communism is stagnant, it doesn't move forward. Only capitalism does that. Why? Bc there people are free to think.
Of course that there were, and same goes for cars on east. Especially V8 ones built by TATRA.
Your way of thinking is utterly wrong. Investments in battle-thorn east Germany was far less than investments in west Germany. Imports of metal was expensive so, they had to find compromise. Anyway, communist countries never had plans to produce luxury cars for common people. It have nothing to do with "free to think".
@fischersachs wer weiß wie alt das video ist. ich denke das die Bulgaren keinen Orginalen Werkstrabi haben. Die haben sich selber einen gebaut is ja kein Ding heutzutage. und die sind so leicht da geht ne viel kaputt wenn die umkippen.
@ElZato there is a place up in the northern USA which will ship you a fully restored trabant for between 5000 and 6000 dollars (working road legal, and USA titled/registered)
@GvardiyaBY Now you are assuming. Even if I have never driven one I still know it's a piece of laugh really. There's a reason to why there never was a single Trabant produced after communism failed... With capitalism and democracy people could buy the car they wanted.
No, actually, you know nothing. It was cheap, simple, reliable car, made to be available to anyone, just like VW Kaffer.
And no one in socialist countries forced you to buy Trabant, you have various available cars form different manufacturers.
After uniffication of Germany, there were simply no place for IFA factory in economy and industry of new Germany, and majority of former DDR factories were closed, except Karl Zeiss Jena.
@GvardiyaBY Nobody outside of (or even inside of) East Germany wanted the Trabant, so it was never exported. If it was such a successfull car it would have been a major export article, like the VW beetle was. After the free markets entered the East nothing communist survived any more, people wanted quality and a choice. Capitalism provides this. Communism doesn't.
Never exported? You just made my day... 250 000 of them were sold to Hungary only, I have no data for Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia and USSR.
There are many members in Trabi clubs all over east Europe today.
I read somewhere that there are 70 000 registrated Trabants in Germany and 45 000 in Hungary even today, many years after Cold War...
PS. There were chose in east block, because there were various car manufacturers, but only in Yugoslavia you could buy western cars.
@GvardiyaBY So what you are saying is they where exported from one country where people didn't have a choice to other countries where people didn't have a choice? No wonder... They were, however, never exported to the free world, where people did have a choice.
The few videos of trabants here on youtube are of trabants that have been rebuilt with larger engines, etc. Which, in turn, proves it was way underpowered, not very interesting, and people still don't enjoy it (as it was).
@GvardiyaBY "Are you dumb or what", well, I'm not the one driving a Trabant now, am I? ;-)
In the free world we have a free market. Under communism, the state controlled the market. We have free speech, and a free democratich society. There never was a single election under communism.
Nobody was free to do as they pleased. Which means, nobody was free to drive the car they wanted. It was either Trabant or none at all. I want people to have the freedom of choice, that's all.
First you claimed that this video is fake, because Trabant "sounds like moped" without any clue that this is RS800 version used for races, even if that was written here as name of video.
Than you claimed that it can never go over 60km/h which is pure crap.
And you still claim how it was Trabant or nothing, aldo there were over 20 car manufacturers in east Europe, with variety of models.
You obvioulsy have no clue about this subject, so buzz off..
@GvardiyaBY Well, the few times I've seen Trabant on TV it DOES sound like a moped! Which proves my point, this is not a Trabant. It's a different car with a different engine.
In East Germany people didn't have a choice. In Poland, maybe, and in Yugoslavia, maybe, since they weren't a part of Soviet. But in the communist world you didn't have a choice. In Russia, either Lada or nothing, which was a better car, in East Germany, either Trabant or nothing. That's communism. Sorry...
@GvardiyaBY You still drive another car and not the Trabant (unless you want to have some "fun").
Actually, you prove my point yourself. You have the choice. Hence, you choose not to drive the Trabant.
I know I'm harsh on you, but... Seriously, do you really not see how communism treated people? People in Russia are much happier now that they have a free market and they no longer live in fear. All Eastern European countries have done away with communism. Apart from the dictatorship of Belarus.
No, you are not harsh, you actually made me laugh.
I own Trabant, because I like it, and I always wanted to have it, and I can say that it is good and reliable machine. You are judging to it and you actually never saw one in real life, and you obviously have no clue about it. Same goes for your "knowledge" about eastern Europe.
PS. Belarus is not communist country, and we are not dictatorship, we have elected government.
Government is elected, even if you don;t like that. Political oponents didn't got locked up before elections, genius.
What free world, you are USA's bitch, who control you via NATO membership... but that is not point here, you keep changing subject after you failed.. how old are you, 12? xD
@GvardiyaBY Meanwhile, your plastic box with a moped engine is gathering dust. And you live under the fear of the KGB knocking on your door if you don't proclaim your love for communism and your communist leader every day. Hitler was also elected. That does not a democracy make. Imprisoning and killing your political opponents does not make a democracy.
You only prove one thing.. that you have no clue about things here.
Trabant was first car with transverse engine, it had all independent A-arm suspension with a unique two spring design, which was pretty advance for year of his design (first was made at 1957).
As I said: simple car, cheap, available to anyone with minimum maintaince, not luxury car.
Compare it with Norway's "Trol", what supose to be similar to Trabant (2t engine, plastic body), who was complete fail.
@tannalv This isn´t an other car with an other engine its, the same car with the same engine just tuned hard to 60-70 PS out of 600cc. You know shit about Trabant.
@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
Den abgefallenen Scheinwerfer stecken se nachher mittem bisschen Kleber wieder rein und dann passt das :-) Ich mag dieses Auto auch wenn ich noch Jünger bin^^
Wurde dein Hässlicher GTI von nem RS 800 oder einem wabant mit mz vergaser update verblasen? 2T power statt 4T trauer!!! ach ja was ic der unterschied zwischen tuca999´s krawatte und nem kuhschwanz? der kuhschwanz verdeckt das ganze ARSCHLOCH!!!!! xDD
..immer lese ich trabant RS...kann mir mal jemand das "RS" erklären???....Rennsport oder Rallysport kann es ja nicht heissen, weil ,was ist an nem Trabbi sportlich???...vielleicht noch ne versteckte Nachricht von euerm Honni??
how i hate long comments
Garretthierisser 3 months ago
In front of the parliament in Belarus there is a huge statue of Lenin. They are clearly communists. Belarus still has the KGB spying on people.
In a communist society like that you aren't free to criticize communist items like the Trabant.
The Trabant in the video is not a real Trabant, as it has a different engine, added roll cage, as the original ones didn't get close to that speed.
In a communist country you can't give people too much freedom, or they'd escape. Which is why the GDR failed.
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
Are you that stupid or what? Monument is from Soviet era, and there are such a monuments all over former USSR. We dont reject and erase our history.
KGB is just name of state security, and they dont spy common people, you are just full of stereotypes.
Trabant in video is RS800, factory version with different 2-stroke engine, made for races by factory.
PS. there is still monument dedicated to Karl Marx in Chemnitz, so is that making Germany a communist state? LOL, you failed again.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY After WWII everything nazi was torn down in Germany. Not because one wanted to deny the past, but because one realized its horror. Communism was even worse, communism has killed more than 120 million people.
The only thing Belarus has to fear is the freedom of its own people, hence the KGB there spies on its own people.
So it's not a regular, street version of the Trabant? So I was right then.
Most Germans want to see that statue torn down, it's a reminder of their horrific past.
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
Any proves about numbers of man died, or you just pulled data from your bum?
Have you ever being here? xD
KGB's main task is state security and fight against foregin involvments in destabilisation of country, common people are not of their interests. As I said, you are full of stereotypes.
You said that this Trabant is fake, all I wanted to say since we start this that you are completly wrong.
This is factory made version specialy for Rally , it is not regular one.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Google "The Black Book of Communism", read, become enlightened.
Also, check out this video: /watch?v=tIeics8jHUY
Regarding Marx, have fun (literally! ;) watching this! /watch?v=ByOKZmQ72m4
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
Very reliable source, no wander, even their claim is different than yours.
Second, they counted victims of great famine, which was product of failed argicultural reforms.
I listened lot of crap made by western historians, but they are quite different in comparation with ours, especially in therms of numbers. If you don't want to remember 99% of this soviet victims are from era of Stalin..
I watched that documentary about Marx, it was fun.
You still avoid to answer how old are you.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
Bay the way, there is black book of capitalism too, and it counts over 100 million deaths in 20th century...
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY I googled "black book of capitalism", here is what I found:
Le Livre Noir du Capitalisme (The Black Book of Capitalism) is a French book published in 1998, in reaction to The Black Book of Communism (1997). Unlike the latter however, Le Livre Noir du Capitalisme does not attempt to provide a comprehensive tally of victims of the politico-economic system in question.
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In other words, a pathetic attempt at copying "The black book of communism", with reversed roles.
tannalv 3 months ago
However, capitalism doesn't kill. There's no capitalist Gulag. Capitalism means you have a choice. You choose what you want to buy, make, or whatever. Communism forces you. And if you don't agree, you're either put in prison/labour-camps for a long time, or you're outright murdered.
tannalv 3 months ago
Now you know a bit more about communism and its past. Now you know what communism is. Communism was hell on earth... Belarus holds on to it. I pity the people who live there. Including you. I really do.
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
Hell on earth? I grew up under communism, retard, in difference than you who never even saw it. Stalin era was hell, afterwards it was marked by stability, almost non unemployment, free healthcare, education, and everyone had equal chance for sucsess.
Stop trolling around and for hell sakes, answer how old are you? 15? Why do you shame of your young age, troll?
Always same story, when you lose argument about thing you dont know, you turns to Stalin. All trolls are same.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Which explains why you sound so brainwashed. 120 million dead. Yes, that is hell on earth. No wonder there weren't any unemployment. If someone was unemployed they'd be killed. I may not be old enough to have lived during communism, but my father is. He told me they had a newspaper in Soviet called "Pravda", which means truth, but it was really just filled with lies. Funny huh?
I'm not trolling you, I just believe in democracy and freedom.
/watch?v=Z8i2r85w_Js
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
You are just a dumb kid, that's all... that's why you don't want o reply about how old are you.
Prove me 120 million dead, even book you quote says completly different number, so as NKVD archive which was opened for first time after fall of communism.
"Democracy and freedom" my arse, law is something what rules even in your country and system. There is nothing like absolute freedom.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
Your capitalist society was literally made on bodies of exploatated man, slaves, children workers which dig coal in mines during industrial revolution. Can't you figure about that counterpart of communism is capitalism, while counterpart of democracy is totalitarian state? In basic idea, communism is democracy at it's best, in employed systems, it was something different.
Still, you failed here, you trolled about Trabant, now you end up with this.. what in the earth is your problem?
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY What are you on about? Slavery stems from a time and era way before capitalism. The only societies that still has slavery are communist. Look at China, look at Vietnam, look at North-Korea.
In a communist society the state owns everything. That is the opposite of freedom. In a capitalist society people own their own property. That is the very definition of freedom and democracy, making your own money and owning what you purchase for that money.
Trabant video still looks fake.
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
It was still used and deployed during capitalist era.
In capitalism you also work to earn money and pay taxes to state, so there is not major difference. You idealise your system too much. And no, owning property is not definition of freedom and democracy....
Video is not fake, as you claim, this is RS800 version.
What is your problem anyway? Factory use to make different version of this car, RS800 was one of them, made for Rennsport, and it was used a lot during GDR era on races.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
/watch?v=KCeQ3tDznUI&feature=related
Here GDR era video of Trabant races
/watch?v=ltk1e107GFE&feature=related
And modern one.
So, what is fake here? Same car, bit more powerful 2t engine, different muffler.
You claimed how Trabant can't go over 60km/h, well, as I said on start, you were wrong, because regular 601s can go up to 112km/h, which is not bad for old small car 600cc engine.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY They're no RS200. Even the old Peugeot 207RC can do better than that IN FIRST GEAR!! And that's not even a racing car xD
And here you go, Алесь Беляцкий, a belarussian, speaks about how innocent people are taken away by the belarussian communist police in the night, some even shot, without any other reason than for their thoughts. He has been working for democracy in Belarussia for years and is now in jail for it!
watch?v=KtJDjGojZEI <-- proof communism hates democracy
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
You have mental problems, you know that? Why not compare McLaren F1 with RS800 than? Peugeot 207RS is car from 2000's, Trabant is car designed at 60's.
RS800 have 65hp and top speed of 165km/h, and I would like to see Peugeot 207RC going 165km/h in first gear. You are obviously idiotic 15 year old kid who wants to sound smart, and in fact have no clue about cars.
Беляцкий works for "Вясна", that explane a lot about him. And give me single proof that Belarus is communist country.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Hmm... You're right. It's wrong of me to compare it with a modern car. But still, it was sold up until 1989, when communism collapsed. And in the west we had cars with more than 600bhp then.
Yes, Беляцкий works for the Human Rights organisation "Viasna", through which he has saved thousands of lives. That does say a lot about him.
Did I not say, in Minsk, the Lenin statue is in front of the Belarussian parliament building?
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
Last production model was made at 1990, there were many project to upgrade car, replace engine and body but central comity simply didn't allow that because of higher cost. You have to count that area of former DDR was mostly rural, and it was devastated during WW2, and Soviets didn't invest in DDR as much west invest in BRD.
Real counterparts of Trabant are cars like Citroen 2cv and Lloyd.
Statue of Lenin was erected at 30's. You still have Stalin's statue in Gori, Georgia...
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Nope. No Stalin statue in Gori, Georgia. It has been torn down by the people after Georgia became a democracy. (I googled it)
There's no Lenin-statue in Sweden. I should know. I was born there. And there's no Lenin-statue in Finland. They fought him in their war of independance. That would be like having a statue of Hitler in Israel!
Belarussia has a communist leader who refuses democratic elections in their country. Instead all the political opponents were locked up.
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
Kid, Georgia become "democratic" at 1991, monument was simply moved to memorial.
There is Lenin statue in Sweden, in Vittsjö.
Statue of Lenin in Finland - Kotka at Lenin park
Lenin gave independence to Finland, you uneducated kid. xD
Luka is not communist, his program is not communist, there are elections in Belarus.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
You proved that you know nothing about Trabants or any other car from east Europe or circumstanced under they were made... I have more important things than to argue with person who proved that it have no clue about this subject, and who wants to change theme of discussion.
If we meet sometimes under some political video, we will discuss about politics.
Cheers.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
Are you retarded or what? Start to reply directly to me, not to post random comments here.
FYI, Gulags were closed after Stalin, capitalists destroyed people by pure exploatation, just check how many people died in bad conditions during industrial revolution and during slave trade era.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
You wanna say that capitalist system never took any human life? You live in a cave than, completly isolated. xD
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
RS800 also have 2 stroke engine, but it is a bit stronger than regular one, it is not fake car.
And how can Marx be reminder of horrific times? He is one of the most non-understood man in history, with most humane ideas. Problem is that people who followed his ideas, deploy them on completly wrong way and give bad name to him.
PS. You did not reply to oen question.. how old are you?
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
About Lenin's statues... you have them in India, all over Russia, in Finland, France, Italy, Mongolia, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine, Belarus.
So is that making this countries a communist? Some countries simply refuse to destroy monuments placed there at past. If you wanna mark country as communist, you gotta check it's system.
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@GvardiyaBY There were so many cars that were out by 1990 in the west that were so much more advanced than a car built in 1960... Just proves that communism is stagnant, it doesn't move forward. Only capitalism does that. Why? Bc there people are free to think.
tannalv 3 months ago
@tannalv
Of course that there were, and same goes for cars on east. Especially V8 ones built by TATRA.
Your way of thinking is utterly wrong. Investments in battle-thorn east Germany was far less than investments in west Germany. Imports of metal was expensive so, they had to find compromise. Anyway, communist countries never had plans to produce luxury cars for common people. It have nothing to do with "free to think".
Inform yourself a bit more.
BTW, answer me, how old are you?
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
@tannalv
Because you adore your beloved Google, where you can find various wrong informations about cars you have no clue about, search for MTV-V8.
Why you decide to fail with every single comment, and why you constantly change subjects, and refuse to answer?)
Your claims about Trabant were completly wrong, so as many of things you wrote after.
Why just don't accept that you have not enough knowledge about some things, and answer when were you born?)
GvardiyaBY 3 months ago
Wenn das ein echter P800 Rs war dann sind die fein dumm denn davon gabs nur 3 Werksautos!!aber denke das war kein echter !!!P 800!!
fischersachs 5 months ago
@fischersachs wer weiß wie alt das video ist. ich denke das die Bulgaren keinen Orginalen Werkstrabi haben. Die haben sich selber einen gebaut is ja kein Ding heutzutage. und die sind so leicht da geht ne viel kaputt wenn die umkippen.
MZTrail96 3 weeks ago
kugel...kugel....und weiter geht's :D sehr schön und trotzdem schade um die Arbeit...
piedi601 8 months ago
Where can I get one of those?
ElZato 10 months ago
@ElZato there is a place up in the northern USA which will ship you a fully restored trabant for between 5000 and 6000 dollars (working road legal, and USA titled/registered)
datawraith3080 9 months ago
Fake. Trabant sounds like a moped and does no more than 60 km/h.
tannalv 1 year ago
@tannalv They have 2 stroke engines, what do you expect?
siman87 1 year ago
@siman87 For them to sound like mopeds and have about as much power as granny pulling out from the home for elderly.
tannalv 1 year ago
@tannalv
it goes 100 km/h!
back in the days they got more than 80 HP out of 600 ccm!!! search for ´assmann trabant´
TheSporthamster 5 months ago
@TheSporthamster It had about 20bhp (horsepowers). Look it up on wikipedia or something. Even wheelchairs have more power than that!
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
the road version had 26bhp that´s right. but the touring cars had that what i wrote earlier ...
TheSporthamster 5 months ago
@tannalv
You probably never drove one... max speed is 100km/h.
I have it for a long time.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY No, I haven't had the, uh, "pleasure" of driving one, no. Fortunately ;)
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
Than you can't judge about it.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Now you are assuming. Even if I have never driven one I still know it's a piece of laugh really. There's a reason to why there never was a single Trabant produced after communism failed... With capitalism and democracy people could buy the car they wanted.
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
No, actually, you know nothing. It was cheap, simple, reliable car, made to be available to anyone, just like VW Kaffer.
And no one in socialist countries forced you to buy Trabant, you have various available cars form different manufacturers.
After uniffication of Germany, there were simply no place for IFA factory in economy and industry of new Germany, and majority of former DDR factories were closed, except Karl Zeiss Jena.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Nobody outside of (or even inside of) East Germany wanted the Trabant, so it was never exported. If it was such a successfull car it would have been a major export article, like the VW beetle was. After the free markets entered the East nothing communist survived any more, people wanted quality and a choice. Capitalism provides this. Communism doesn't.
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
Never exported? You just made my day... 250 000 of them were sold to Hungary only, I have no data for Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia and USSR.
There are many members in Trabi clubs all over east Europe today.
I read somewhere that there are 70 000 registrated Trabants in Germany and 45 000 in Hungary even today, many years after Cold War...
PS. There were chose in east block, because there were various car manufacturers, but only in Yugoslavia you could buy western cars.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY So what you are saying is they where exported from one country where people didn't have a choice to other countries where people didn't have a choice? No wonder... They were, however, never exported to the free world, where people did have a choice.
The few videos of trabants here on youtube are of trabants that have been rebuilt with larger engines, etc. Which, in turn, proves it was way underpowered, not very interesting, and people still don't enjoy it (as it was).
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
Are you that dumb or what? You want me to name you manufacturers of eastern block? Son, you had varieties and more than 20 car manufaturers.
"Free world" LOL, made definition of free world. xD
if you ask me, only countries of free world were neutral ones.
There are still many of these cars all over Europe, even countries of your "Free world" have owned clubs... xD
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY "Are you dumb or what", well, I'm not the one driving a Trabant now, am I? ;-)
In the free world we have a free market. Under communism, the state controlled the market. We have free speech, and a free democratich society. There never was a single election under communism.
Nobody was free to do as they pleased. Which means, nobody was free to drive the car they wanted. It was either Trabant or none at all. I want people to have the freedom of choice, that's all.
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
I drive Trabant for fun, genius, it is my 2nd car. :P
You could have car you want, and you had variety of choices of cars made in east block (different in case of Yugoslavia who imported western cars).
You can't eat freedom of speech and democracy. We had almost no unemployed people, and stability on job, so you couldn't be exploatated by boss.
You are obviously pinhead who have no clue about socialism, or cars made in east block, and you already prove that by your claims.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@tannalv
Let me remind you:
First you claimed that this video is fake, because Trabant "sounds like moped" without any clue that this is RS800 version used for races, even if that was written here as name of video.
Than you claimed that it can never go over 60km/h which is pure crap.
And you still claim how it was Trabant or nothing, aldo there were over 20 car manufacturers in east Europe, with variety of models.
You obvioulsy have no clue about this subject, so buzz off..
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Well, the few times I've seen Trabant on TV it DOES sound like a moped! Which proves my point, this is not a Trabant. It's a different car with a different engine.
In East Germany people didn't have a choice. In Poland, maybe, and in Yugoslavia, maybe, since they weren't a part of Soviet. But in the communist world you didn't have a choice. In Russia, either Lada or nothing, which was a better car, in East Germany, either Trabant or nothing. That's communism. Sorry...
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
No, his is not Trabant, you have right, this is hedgehog on wheels. ;)
This is Trabant RS800 versions, produced for races.
In DDR, tehre were Trabant, Barkas, Wartburg, Horch, IFA with various different models, including cabrio cars, and famous Melkus RS-1000.
In USSR, there were GAZ, VAZ, UAZ, ZAZ, IZH, AZLK (not just Lada) with various car models.
Poland had FSO and Polski Fiat, Czechoslovakia had Skoda and Tatra, Yugoslavia had Zastava + imported western cars.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY You still drive another car and not the Trabant (unless you want to have some "fun").
Actually, you prove my point yourself. You have the choice. Hence, you choose not to drive the Trabant.
I know I'm harsh on you, but... Seriously, do you really not see how communism treated people? People in Russia are much happier now that they have a free market and they no longer live in fear. All Eastern European countries have done away with communism. Apart from the dictatorship of Belarus.
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
No, you are not harsh, you actually made me laugh.
I own Trabant, because I like it, and I always wanted to have it, and I can say that it is good and reliable machine. You are judging to it and you actually never saw one in real life, and you obviously have no clue about it. Same goes for your "knowledge" about eastern Europe.
PS. Belarus is not communist country, and we are not dictatorship, we have elected government.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY "elected government" LOL! You just made me laugh ;-) (I thought BY stood for Bulgaria? :P)
Thank you for comparing Trabant to a similar car in the free world that was a total fail. You just proved my point, AGAIN! :)
Did you know Lukachenko locked up all political opponents before the election? Check this out: /watch?v=Yzen2AVB6gs
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
LOL, again, you failed.
Government is elected, even if you don;t like that. Political oponents didn't got locked up before elections, genius.
What free world, you are USA's bitch, who control you via NATO membership... but that is not point here, you keep changing subject after you failed.. how old are you, 12? xD
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@GvardiyaBY Meanwhile, your plastic box with a moped engine is gathering dust. And you live under the fear of the KGB knocking on your door if you don't proclaim your love for communism and your communist leader every day. Hitler was also elected. That does not a democracy make. Imprisoning and killing your political opponents does not make a democracy.
I am not the one who fails...
tannalv 5 months ago
@tannalv
Keep dreaming, kid. We live on fear of no one, "plastic box" don't gathers dust, and we are not communist country.
As I said, you failed with your pathetic claims, so you are now changing subject.
There is no point of having discussion with clueless kid.
Piss off.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@tannalv
You only prove one thing.. that you have no clue about things here.
Trabant was first car with transverse engine, it had all independent A-arm suspension with a unique two spring design, which was pretty advance for year of his design (first was made at 1957).
As I said: simple car, cheap, available to anyone with minimum maintaince, not luxury car.
Compare it with Norway's "Trol", what supose to be similar to Trabant (2t engine, plastic body), who was complete fail.
GvardiyaBY 5 months ago
@tannalv This isn´t an other car with an other engine its, the same car with the same engine just tuned hard to 60-70 PS out of 600cc. You know shit about Trabant.
MZTrail96 3 weeks ago
@tannalv Shut up you faggot! If you dont like Trabant why are you watching these videos? Think about what you are saying!
MZTrail96 3 weeks ago
@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
bittemeinrammstein 5 months ago
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@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
bittemeinrammstein 5 months ago
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@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
bittemeinrammstein 5 months ago
@tannalv - Something you dont understand is how politics effects car industry and cars that becomes 'popular' more than performance of the car. For example, Toyota-2000GT... epic car from the time, but only 15 was ever exported. Honda Coupe-9... great car, just like Trabant... but never exported. You think because car dont have 4 million export orders than it's crap car? Besides... you seem to want political argument, and not car arguement... both of them you failed at. ;)
bittemeinrammstein 5 months ago
Trabant... the only car that will get back on the wheels everytime it rolls.
CONDLAUR 1 year ago
Szacunek dla ekipy tego Trabanta!
chopin11112 1 year ago
das is definitiv ein deutsches video
RWEGBK 1 year ago
haha die dinger sind einfach unendlich lustig xD ... die werden eines tages richtig was wert sein ! ^^
Cruxx11111111 1 year ago
Und er fährt und fährt und fährt!:-)
Den abgefallenen Scheinwerfer stecken se nachher mittem bisschen Kleber wieder rein und dann passt das :-) Ich mag dieses Auto auch wenn ich noch Jünger bin^^
Kreschful 1 year ago
Na tuca999 du kleiner stinker xDD
Wurde dein Hässlicher GTI von nem RS 800 oder einem wabant mit mz vergaser update verblasen? 2T power statt 4T trauer!!! ach ja was ic der unterschied zwischen tuca999´s krawatte und nem kuhschwanz? der kuhschwanz verdeckt das ganze ARSCHLOCH!!!!! xDD
Blacksword80 2 years ago 2
..immer lese ich trabant RS...kann mir mal jemand das "RS" erklären???....Rennsport oder Rallysport kann es ja nicht heissen, weil ,was ist an nem Trabbi sportlich???...vielleicht noch ne versteckte Nachricht von euerm Honni??
tuca999 2 years ago
the same happened to me ... but backwards ...
atarixle 2 years ago
so gehört sichs
MarderLerry 2 years ago
Trabant survive everything :-D
7urb0m4n 2 years ago 16
This video is not the only one on youtube, when the trabant rolls over, and go away after :D!
V0ree 2 years ago
die kraft der 2 kerzen eben!;-) geiles video!!
grebel007 2 years ago 8
So kann´s gehen mit der Pappe. Einmal überschlagen und weiter... ^^
metalanschi 3 years ago 3
stimmt und die teile lassen sich leicht wieder ersetzen
Kastdaniel 2 years ago
rs800 v bg? ot germania li e vnesen?
vertozia 3 years ago
I have to rebuilt my Trabant, now I see... :) I wanna race like them!!!! :D That's awsome! ;)
82kei 3 years ago
That ruled!!!
charmast 3 years ago
i m from bulgaria the video is from Germany
viktorr84 3 years ago
hä wo issen das in bulgarien? das is in Germany in Kallinchen.
ManneWRC 3 years ago
De nem ám! :)
bigdeex888 3 years ago
2t kraft
12valvepower1 3 years ago
Hoppá.... azért ilyet se tud mindegyik rallykocsi!
Waresam 3 years ago
Hoppá.... azért ilyet se tud mindegyik rallykocsi!
Waresam 3 years ago
65 BHP OF FURY
12valvepower 4 years ago 3
igenjóóóóó hobbibúúúúú
vegzet444 4 years ago