PATCH

[kingcarrick]

iVegot a borthwer who has a patch on his neck

[kevinxaya]

thats so BS look how imba roaches are =='

[herrseppl]

@kevinxaya roaches are ok

[Buddycash96]

Of course you will be screwed if you didn't scout.

[Healingproof]

Anybody that can't tell that Terran is the weakest race at the moment is clearly biased lol. I'm 100% Protoss(Platinum 1v1) and I admit it. But on the other hand, they were the strongest race pre patch so I enjoy watching them struggle now for a while xP But Blizzard seriously should put them inline with Toss and Zerg soon for the sake of balance... Too many terrans are swapping over to toss/zerg.

[sherbanan]

Stalker didn't get fungal growth'ed because it was on the same team as the infestor like jbpark said

[MuRReC]

You missed some of the most important thing with removing energy, you can no longer Feedback

[Groundonrage]

@MuRReC

ahh yes feedback the bane of all energy using units ;D

[scootfd3s]

"when bickering ends.. blah bnlah blah" DAMNIT STFU!!!!

[zengzhu]

why do protoss are always getting nerfed

[GlaurungStarcraft]

@zengzhu They are so overpowered.

[whatsmyproblem69]

Does having the increase in building hp affect build time? Or did they adjust to keep the build time the same?

[shuIdBEstudying]

The significance of removing the energy for Thors/Corruptors is that templars can no longer use feedback on them. Imo this is a decent buff for TvP

[Coleamodeo]

@shuIdBEstudying

Terran didnt need buffs vs P

[Wesujin]

@Coleamodeo Thor losing energy is a buff vs protoss, but all in all Terran is weaker Vs Protoss because of the rax requiring a supply depot.

[Fuckyoubloodymoron]

@Wesujin

Care to explain why? Afaik, terrans usually build a supply depot first anyway. So only certain rush builds are affected.

[efastMixer]

cosmetic ad on games videos? im sure all the men will buy comestics

[supergummie22]

NO HOMEHARDWARE IM NOT GOING 2 SAVE FOR YOUR KITCHEN SALE

[FunDomSphere]

...It no longer requi.....*serious voice* "whoa that's alot of roachs.." i just thought that was funny :3

[Shindrah09]

HD, most protoss would put there cannons 1 hex back so the roach couldn't hit the cannon, but at the same time hit the roach if it attacked the forge/gateway.

Now if they put it 1 hex back to protect it from being hit by the roach, they can just hit the gateway/forge, and if the cannon is right next to the building the roaches can easily come in and take out the cannon.

[Epinlolz]

@Shindrah09 damn, thats my comment you timewarping tief :P

[tyrannoJAN]

"oh no got my probe stuck" really made my day :)

[snickarberra]

@tyrannoJAN wow.. your days must be awesome :p

[Feliexxxxxxxx]

This new patch dosent let me play becuase....it wont patch MD5 mismatch

[dash1dash2]

You can't fungal growth your own units, by the way.

[snusd0san]

Sad that corrupters no longer have energy, templars basiclly get nerfted against zerg:(

[Rockwarrior2004]

@Assault912

I know but toss didn;t get nerfed. They are basically the same. I say make chrono boost take less energy.

[operations1000]

Maybe reapers can still be used as a two prong attack. Send in your main force then CTL+2 to send in the reapers at the same time, it requires MICRO oh noz!!

[operations1000]

LOL ultra cavern was only 600?! That's like 2 seconds for marauders lol.

[operations1000]

Uhhh what's with the billion larvae??

[operations1000]

Not really huge changes, just more huge terran nerfs and zerg got 1 unit buffed lol. It's a pretty big buff though. 3 to 4 range on roaches basically is the difference between small range to medium good range.

[ERICELM]

we wont see any more reaper harass and no more proxy barracks fun... what a shame.

[gr4ndhustle]

@ERICELM thank god for that.... play as zerg and you will agree... besides it only takes a suply depot... (which get's build pretty fricken soon anyways) so i don't see why you're being so negative about the update... you can still get reapers pretty soon... the only difference now is that atleast people can prepare for it >__> (which makes it balanced)

[Luguolo]

@gr4ndhustle I think he was also refering to the fact that the reaper speed now need a factory

[gr4ndhustle]

@Luguolo you might be right about that... but really IMHO.. people can still use the proxy barracks with reapers quite effectively.. while at the same time savely transitioning into some kind of factory based tech/build... i think blizzard did the right thing by nerfing reapers just a tiny bit... they were simply overpowered... check the Morrow vs Idra IEM Grand finals match.. that's a perfect example of how OP reapers were.. take care and have a good one mate.. cheers!

[sagemakaiserxl]

What they are doing is slowly getting rid of early base harass. Which is good for the non rush players. They did the same thing in Star Craft 1. I have to admit a non reaper rush helps.

[nubcakehero]

@COD5WAWZK only YOU can stop forest fires, I mean HIGHER TOSS WIN RATIO LOL

[broodle2]

Energy removal from thors and corruptors is a major nerf to high templar because of feedback! SICK NERF!

[gr4ndhustle]

@broodle2 that's true... but at the same time it's a buff for Thors and Curruptors because they get to use those abilities a bit more often ;)

[nubcakehero]

@COD5WAWZK what r u crying about them. zerg got buffed like mad in this patch. enjoy your new range stop bitchin and just get better to increase zerg's win ratio LOL

[toastfox]

old

[nubcakehero]

@COD5WAWZK that's only because smarter people play toss. fools like yourself play terran and mass without knowing how to micro LOL cry more bitch

[Burn277]

Usually protoss players leave space between their wall and their cannons. That's why roaches are more effective now.

[Lowfinn]

fungal growth doesn't effect friendly units

[nubcakehero]

What Ads are people crying about? I don't see any ads :\

[nubcakehero]

GOOD JOB BLIZZARD. Just keep RAPING PROTOSS UP THE ASS U FUCKIN ASSHOLES!!!

[KillerCheebo]

@nubcakehero hahaha

[Jasongeigel]

Fungal growth didnt work because the unit was on the same team ( red )

[ERICELM]

the void ray is not worth its mineral and gas costs anymore

[Leruster]

Why is the 2nd monitor on top? ;)

[darekkhort]

I think the medivac speed reduction actually makes MMM easier; because before the medivac if you moved someone with your ball would always eventually end up ahead of the ball and thus would usually be picked off rather fast if you weren't paying attention.

Now they slightly lag behind; but at least they aren't at the front and you don't need to put them into a different control group anymore to make sure they are behind your MM.

[mydecember2]

"A patch to patch the patch" :)

[rojakcoder]

Does anyone know where to get this map?

[TheHolySC]

the "noob" race used to be protoss.

then it was terran.

now it is zerg. lol

[PolatPikachu]

To correctly fast expand with that defence, you were supposed to put the cannons back 1 square frome the forge/gateway, otherwise they could be killed by roaches, even pre-patch

[cytheh]

no there's no bug, i think you have to go grub a unit from the right side (blue team)

and use a unit in red team to do those tests, cuz fungal growth doesn't do friendly fire.

[seperothe]

Roach upgrade scares me a little roaches can be fairly dangerous if used right against protoss now they are even worse

[TheHolySC]

@seperothe i agree. protoss is now screwed.

i am terran. but i think protoss cannons should now get buffed now

[seperothe]

I always found that medivacs ran out ahead unless you micro them to follow some marines or something. Voids i wouldnt say were OP other than for how good they are you should have to spend a little more on them or more pop. each. I like all of the building hp ups makes the game a little bit better paced to the map gives you the chance to get to it before it dies.

[atreyu101101]

i dont think it will let you fungal growth your ownj units in that game. u have to use blue

[britknee803]

marry me?

[JBPark15]

Stalker didn't get fungal growth'ed because it was on the same team as the infestor :D

[gurraglad]

I LOVE TERRAN NERFS!!!

[TheHolySC]

@gurraglad i have no doubt in my mind you are zerg

[gurraglad]

@TheHolySC you are correct!! SWEET FOR ME

[incandescent1]

Gateways/forges are 3x3, so before if the canon was 1 square distance from the gateway/forge then the roach couldn't hit it, even right up against them. But if the roach were attacking the gateway/forge, its 3 range+3 for buildings+1 gap, is 7, canon could still hit. Now the protoss has to decide, either 1gap and have roaches attack blocking buildings or NO gap and roaches can hit canon.

[sinekonata]

@DrSmokeTrees

agreed, but overall, I despise the roach and the marauder mainly because they don't fit to well in the SC universe at all. In that same approach, I don't like that T nerf, I would have preferred a lot to see the OP marauder lose its slow, or its stim it would still have been a nice nerf. In the end what matters to me is that any race is equal on number of wins and number of players playing them, any other imbalance (like T's bunker rush ability) is ok with me.

[ReaverSTHLM]

Don't know if this has already been explained, but the reason the Thor and Corruptor special abilities work differently as far as cooldown is concerned is because the Corruption ability doesn't need to be researched, whereas the Strike Cannon does. So in essence, it's probably a timing balance decision.

Also, the lack of energy bars goes beyond changing the economics of the special abilities. It is, in fact, more important that EMP and Feedback become useless against those units.

[derrickccoetzee]

The reason the roaches were out of range in the first experiment but not in the second was because the roach was shooting from an angle, so it was slightly farther away. It's possible for a few of them in a good position to take down front buildings but it's still difficult.

[TheFxn]

Good fast review but I think HD could've spent a little more time thinking of all the implications of the changes, roaches were covered really well however.

Also with the custom tool it would've been nice if you could have set up scenarios of old units vs new units =o)

[illuminatus13]

Maybe a second gateway or something like Oh no I got my probe stuck -.-

It sounded so familiar

[t0k3p0k3]

FUCK YEA FINALLY VOID RAYS POWERED DAMAGE NERFED!!!!

[lixtorian]

Cant F5 away the fucking ads anymore. Such bullshit.

[bizzyDoingNothing]

i liek the advertisement :)

[soulfresh2]

Blizz doesn't want new players to lose by rushes that's y they nerfed voids and reapers so the new players don't quit (i think)

[AvPvM]

I love you for showing us these patch videos, makes it easy to see what changed!

[Papi210jr]

wow so i gotta build a depot before my racks like the toss has 2 build a pylon before gateway taht's gonna suck my strat we'll be screwed in so many ways. they already nerfed the reapers building time with an extra 5 seconds but now they just make them unuseable why would i get a reaper with nitro boost 10 min into the game when the toss player can have a void or the zerg can have a muta already out

[barophobia]

Fkn ads.

[fmagrave]

NOOOOOO

MY FEEDBACK!

[SuperHeroR]

Were you drunk in this video? Because you made a TON of mistakes.

[Herolake]

@SuperHeroR are you a fag or just a troll? because you sound like a idiot

[pureviett]

ugh can you please turn off the ads -,-

[sirmousalot11]

@pureviett dood he gets paid to put them on there, would you turn them off if you were in his position

[hosermcmoose]

The other big change of the Roach range buff is that it will not be almost impossible to kite them with Reapers and Hellions. The Reaper range is 4.5 and Hellion is 5, so they both still outrange Roaches but only by a tiny amount such that kiting will be MUCH harder.

This, combined with the other Reaper nerfs, will make 5-rax Reaper vs. Zerg pretty much useless. The Reapers won't have speed so the Zerg won't need to get Roach speed to deal with them and also they won't be able to kite.

[maliki13512]

It's been upgraded from 18 hundred life to.... oh god it's gonna take forever. Lol XD

[AngryBengali]

Cannon range is 7 and the Gateway/Forge takes two tiles. So if the cannon is touching the Gateway/Forge and the roach is attacking, it will be 4 tiles from the Gateway/Forge and 6 tiles from the cannon. So it will get hit. But the roach will not get his if it attacks from a diagonal.

[TheNoob4l]

the reason why they boost protoss and zerg buildings hp was because of the advantage of the Terran's ability to lift off.

[opinion56]

@teepy2003

no, I meant MLG. And he won MLG so i was right. gsl he will prob do good as well

[drummerdude669]

They got rid of the energy bar on the thor and the corruptors so that they wont get destroyed by high temps

[freaker999111]

goddamn it you cant feedback thors >.<

[800mls]

VOIDRAY NURF FTW

[RoboticDragon]

Terran gets fucked so all the whiner kids can win easier. ZERG IS THE TOUGHEST RACE TO BE IF YOU SUCK AT MICRO/MACRO DONT BE THEM OR PRACTICE FUCK YOU DONT GET GOOD OVER NIGHT, THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA WASNT BUILT IN A FUCKING DAY!!!!!!

[Silverlight777]

@RoboticDragon What's with all the caps?

[wotarmor]

does terran medic ships(dont remember what they are called) heal air units like mutalisk?

[venomsnake1]

@wotarmor No, medivacs only heal biological units, therefore terran air cannot be healed. To heal an air unit, you have to make your SCV's repair them.

[wotarmor]

@venomsnake1 that was not what i asked. i asked if medvacs could heal mutalisk, since they are biological

[Meltorizor]

@wotarmor yeah they can. pretty n1 2on2 tactic

[wotarmor]

@Meltorizor nice tnx for the info. yeah just what i was thinking, would be great for 2v2

[shankitar]

@wotarmor yes they can if for example a zerg is your ally.

[Molior]

the roach killing he builing in front of cannon depends on the placement and where from the attack comes from. the roach placement when attacking the building in other words. Thats pretty obvious.

[haramer95]

this is fucking gay... everyones fucking pissed when they get fucking raped by a terran... what teh fuck is this... who the fuck cares about the thor? they nerfed them so much... fuck this patch... ppl complaining shit like omg they are too strong! wtf!! im a noob!!

[MrSimon510]

man so far no post patch games yet.....

[W4RL]

why they nerf terran so hard =.=

[Apherm565]

HEy why is your monitor on the ceiling!?

[Silverlight777]

Good video. Perhaps better organized next time? It's just because I watched PsyStarcraft's patch notes video before yours and was more smoothly done (aside from his blink stalker imagination part - which was only humorous).

[Alwiii123]

i refuse to watch the fucking ad

[teddybear2389]

wow any body agree that zerg early game is way opd now

[TheBloomShow]

Copying what PsY does I see

[sorrowfilledsunshine]

Dono if anyone has pointed this out yet, but it would seem to me that the roach range increase is another huge nerf to reaper rush v zerg. Reapers have a range of 4.5, so it will be almost impossible to kite roaches now.

I suck with reapers so I wouldn't know, but does anyone know any use for reapers anymore? (aside from taking watchtowers on Kulas ravine)

[MrMoo7]

@sorrowfilledsunshine You shouldnt be fighting armored units with reapers anyways. They do bonus against light and buildings, so concentrate on those. Don't listen to reaper cheesers who are bitching about the update because I guarantee you, reapers still work. Reapers are still faster than roaches so just avoid them and snipe their drones/tech. The HP increase will force you to get a little more but it still isnt a big deal. Reapers still epic against protoss/terran.

[sorrowfilledsunshine]

@MrMoo7 Thx for the constructive feedback.  =)

[todocambiara2]

Of course roach range will change zvt. Hellions! Hellion harass will be so easy to shut down with roaches.

[xMidnightxMistx]

Medvac slow down helped keep the medvac with the army.

[noxchan]

husky

u cannot fungal allied

so use the right side blue army

[Silverlight777]

@noxchan Wrong caster :P

[snowpaw360]

Yep i got screwed once by proxy void ray i had wall for exspansion i exspanded and only had charged zealots....it lived by 12 hp which if it did less damage i would have survived

[fanathym]

Wrong. You still can cheese after the supply depot, but not that much effectively and easily as before. 9 rags into 10 rags/marine push on maps like steppes of war + ~ 5 SCVs was more than a joke..

[borredDead]

\/ terran players

[TooBadIfuckingPwn]

So wtf will terran do now? The same shit over and over again?

[Koroush51]

Well I can honestly say that blizzard has fucked starcraft 2 up.

Instead of looking for ways to make the races different as they should be... They are now making them all the same.

Barracks cannot be made without having a supply depot? I didn't know the terran have pylons now..

THIS PATCH is made for new players to make it easier for them to play the game without getting owned. This just goes to show that blizzard doesn't give a shit about old fans and instead just wants to make more money.

[TooBadIfuckingPwn]

@Koroush51 Yeah I agree. Blizzard is fucking the game up so they can get more players. And by fucking up I mean RUINING.

[xMidnightxMistx]

@Koroush51 one supply depot... it actually makes sense it didn't ruin the game... it just made it so u can;t cheese... and terran stilll has COUNTLESS cheeses after a supply depot it not like ur limited where u can make it... after u build one supply depot u can build anywhere... ur not limited to the power area...

[AZNKC]

@Koroush51 ...alot of high level terran plays usually get supply depot before barracks anyways... just look at TLO or select replays... odd occasion i see play where they begin building barracks just before supply finishes, but i cant see those few seconds really affecting terran early game by that much. i disagree with this patch helping new players, terran rushes have been a problem since the beta change was needed!

[UbelFeuer]

"Say goodbye to reaper anything."

[SpiritG0d]

@UbelFeuer More like "Say goodbye to reaper."

[QuiltMaster]

Reapers were only useful for cheese. Now they are completely useless.

[snowpaw360]

@QuiltMaster i know right they should give reapers their DA charges spell so they can be used for something other than cheese

[the1sin]

wtf is with the supply depot shit the thing about terran that makes it diff from protoss is that terran needs to sacrifice a mining scv to make a building while fckin protoss can still mine and just leave the pylon to just be wtf! thats gay grats blizzard u just fcked up terran

[DarrenFlood1995]

THE SOCIAL NETWORK

[the1sin]

wow that's bullshit for the terran. reapers are basically useless and can no longer be considered harassers. The roach increase makes it impossible for toss to fast expand while the crawler and biggest range wtf!!!

[derninus]

u cant fungal growth ur own units -.-

[DarrenFlood1995]

@derninus i know yea hes actually kinda stupid

[madeoin]

anyone know where to get this map?

[couchpotatoe387]

Hellions no longer out-range roaches then

[Fudo94]

@couchpotatoe387 They do, hellions have 5 range while the roach has 4

[mrwilliamjoel]

The fungal growth didn't work on the stalker because it was on the red team of units. fungal growth doesn't affect your own units.

thumbs up so hd can see.

[047022221]

its odd, why is blizzard nerfing a unit that no one really uses anymore, just give us back the god damn firebat, we need a decent early game unit that doesn't get raped by 2 zerglings

[047022221]

a message:

if all these whiners keep qqing, in 5 months the terran marines are going to be using pea shooters instead of gauss rifles

[snowpaw360]

@047022221 lol i wanna see that :3(i thought zerglings were allergic to lemons juice now peas lol)

[chughotchocolate]

The reason you couldn't fungal growth that stalker was because it was on your team. you had to go to the blue base on the other side of the map and make a stalker, then you could fungal it with the red infestor.

[MrVincentEvil]

LOL WHAT??! HD hang himself?? he just posted an update on his FACEBOOK!

[AndyDangle]

gonna start playing zerg now =]

[Darksyde1029]

@dreadfear1 Dude seriously? Did you even watch the GSL there were SOOO many good terran and protoss players there kid. And if they all "sucked" why don't you go beat them in the GSL next season? You wont because you can't. Idiot.

[Alexon88]

is no one speaking about the roach buff vs FE Protoss? hd was wrong there too as he noticed himself... he must have been very distracted

[sjorsieboyy]

maybe but i really heard he is dead.

REST IN PEACE

[Azeduori]

Oh c'mon, give the guy a break. He was looking at the patch notes at a screen above his head and stuff... his focus must have slipped...

[sjorsieboyy]

really pity, now ive got to watch old videos or husky.!

RIP

[sjorsieboyy]

ive heard rumours about HD being dead.( he hang himself )

he hasnt cast a game in 2 days now

RIP HD

[alexveerbeek]

@sjorsieboyy

yes ive heard that aswell

[beefcakedrummer]

@Juandpea Why would that be so hard to forget?

[soaseMATTS]

roach spam will OWN

even more than before!

[yumemirutenshi]

i saw lots of pro's videos

and i rarely saw a zerg losing

why buff them even more ?

am i watching the wrong video ?

[Chineselegolas]

"You can see about 500 more health"... Yeah, suppose precisely 500 is about 500

[Zer0kx]

I want my orbital command to have 2k hp :s

[mhmtbl]

FAIL

[JinRoFun]

thank god reapers!

i h8 getting reaper rushed!

[erikmolyneaux]

I may start playing Zerg after that roach range change, Definitely looks handy.

[supertoan1234]

terras NERFED!

[SC2Fruktsoda]

toss FE would work on lost temple if you put a canon on the highground aswell as the ones behind the wall I guess :)

[swimfastfly27]

It's better to have the dropship behind though. I'd rather it be a little slower so that they can heal units and not be destroyed by enemy units and take fire.

[JFog21]

@JFog21 oops, meant 11:37

[2Girls1DomoCup]

did anyone else hear HD say "Mainly Zerg got fucked" at around 0:55

[matshadwhite]

@2Girls1DomoCup no i heard buffed

[joshuaspolar]

@2Girls1DomoCup he said "mainly zerg got ^buffed^"

[StormProductionzZ]

@2Girls1DomoCup buffed, retard