In St Lucia, as elsewhere in French Caribbean, the French brought these brothers and sisters to work. And I see faces there, that are here. No such thing as typical Peul, though many can, like many Igbo, appear light. The music is deeply Mandean in tone and, in my romantic mind, cld be heard in the Court of Mansa Musa.
@24Cenac the song is in the Fulani language, even though the singer Habib Koite himself is a Soninke. The song is called Pulaku which means Fulani way of life. People who practice Pulaku are us the Fulani.
@VraiDiouf Love the song, love the tone, love the Fulani & all the ethnic groups who arrieved in the Americas. Finally, the internet allows, hamdulilah, for a kind of reconnection. U know Morgan Freeman, the US actor, has Soninke heritage. I am not sure if the Fulani were Muslim in the time of Mali Empire. You know right the Fulani were enslaved & ended up in Americas?
@24Cenac I do not know Morgan Freeman, I don't watch many American film. It is good to know he is of Soninke origin. We (The Fulani) were the first Muslims in West Africa. Many Africans of various ethnic groups were brought to America so I would not be surprised if there are American of Fula origin.
@VraiDiouf the 'first Muslims' in W. Africa point is open to interpretation. Arguably, the concept of a 'Fulani' people is recent. The terms for the people are not autonyms but exonyms: the Manding langauges are the source. Fulani are, as a people, a work in progress & only under State patronage (Fota Jallon, Sokoto Calipahte etc ) has the ppl emereged. With respect, it is also clear that rulers, not the ppl, tended to be 'Orthodox' Muslims in these States.
@VraiDiouf Takrrur, according to Africanist, is when 'Bilad Sudan' became Muslim. I do not accept the usual definitions of 'black' & many of the Sahelians, for argument sake, wld also be 'black elsewhere. Again, exonyms prevail: outside definitions of peoples identity. Islam, as an idea, wandered into the Western Sahara before Ma'qil invasions. For what reasons did the Fula Wodaabe become the 'purest'?
@24Cenac Takrur was also a Fulani region (that is why French call is Toucouleur or Peul). Fouta Tooro is part of Takrur. Fula Wodaabe are the purest Fulani because they have never mixed until recently with other ethnic group, and they kept the true Nomadic lifestyle of Herdsmen. They originated from the deep Sahara before migrating southward to what is present day Niger/Northern Nigeria so that they can graze their cattle. AT one point, the Sahara was a grassland/Savannah, so they moved.
@VraiDiouf I thank you young brother. By the way, I also read French & Arabic so anything in those languges is welcome. Though Woodabe were Cattle herders, it implies a central component of the Fulani identity wld be related to nomadism or pastraulism. There may be colour' offshots to a Sahelian identity. I recall some Fulani in Guinea not defining themselves as 'black'. Is skin politics alive among your people?
@24Cenac I think Guinea people are weird if they say that. Despite what they want to think they are black. Any Fulani from Senegal, Mali, Niger, Mauritania, Nigeria, Sudan, Cameroon, Benin, etc. etc. will tell you that they are black. I would hope there are not Western skin politic within the Fulani sub-group.
@VraiDiouf I guess so. Baaba Maal is a dark brother & a Fulani. Mauritanian skin politics is really a reflection of groups rallying over resources: the Southern Speakers of Hassaniyah look black, in Western seense, but are responsible for the discrimination against folks of Sonninke or Fulani background. They have constructed 'Arab' identity. Most were Berber, dark & light, who were subject to small but dominant Yemeni invasions.
@VraiDiouf I looked at your web page. It is impressive. Can you tell me what issues affect the Peul in many West African states? Is it possible to discriminate on Fulani there on the basis of race? You are in the States. Maybe you see Fulani Wodaabe faces there (smile).
@24Cenac in Mauritania, the Arabs dislike all black people, but the highest black population in Mauritania is Fulani. A lot of Fulani people have been driven away from Mauritania (a country where Fulani are also originally from) south ward into Southern Fouta Tooro (Senegal). So yes, we do face discrimination, it is not easy to be a nomadic group of people these days. Most people do not like it when you cross into their country border with cattle, this is why there are less nomadic fulani now
@VraiDiouf How does a Fulani from Senegal relate to Fulani from Nigeria? Are there cultural differences of any importance, so that a Fulani Nigerian wld consider a Hausa for his daughter more than a Senagalese Fulani? In short, can the various Fulani be prejudiced toawrds one another and, if so, whic group appears the most discriminatory among the various Fulani?
@24Cenac we are all Fula people. A lot of Nigerian Fulani except those who are in Adamawa and Plateau no longer speak Fulfulde/Pular. A lot of them speak only Hausa now (at least the ones in Sokoto). The Dialects are different and sometimes difficult for each one to comprehend. You have to listen very carefully. An example: Mi hinni ma mean I greet you in Cameroon/Nigeria Fulani, in Senegal and other Western Fulani country you say Mi Salmini ma. They are close and easy to understand.
@24Cenac What I'm trying to say is that Fulani from Senegal to Sudan consider themselves brother and sisters no matter the distance, there are many songs that explain the close-knitness of all Fulani.
@VraiDiouf Mi Salamini Ma akhi! Clearly, the Fulani are trying to build institutions to preserve a rather 'scattered' heritage. The songs, in Sokoto, celebrate Dan Fodios Jihads. This Mujahid was, if I recall, a Fulani within a Hausa environment. I noticed the vid of Fulani Massacres in Jos (u commented) & some of the comments by Ghanians & Nigerians indicate the setteler/nomad divide. Add to that, the recent global anti-Muslim polemic.
@24Cenac Well the West has given Islam a bad name because a select few fake Muslims have given the religion a bad name. I think it is unfair because, there are bad people in every religion. What about those priests that do bad things to young kids? Should someone judge Christianity on that? That was the point I was trying to make to those Ghanaians and Nigerians.
@24Cenac There are even conferences that are held each year called KJPF for all Fulani worldwide (Kawtal Jangoobe Pular Fulfulde) it's like a network of Fulani from Senegal to Cameroon/Nigeria. Sometimes the dialect differences are noticeable though, but you have to listen very carefully to understand.
@VraiDiouf I use the term 'Mandean' in broad sense: those ppls who were under the Cultural influence of the 14th century Malian Empire. Muslims, Sahelian and Coastal, these ppl including Bambara, Sonnike, Mandinka and others. Maybe we can include the Fulani. But, as noted, the way of life of most Peul ws nomadic & not always suited to Muslim scholarship. Respect n love.
@VraiDiouf Fulani language is closely related to the Wolof & Serer. Your people, in mass, tend to not any different from other West Africans. You are, in short, a black West African people who had, in periods, to travel from one place to another. Nomads are usually marginalised ppl & for obvious reasons. But I am pleased to see you emerged strong in the many States & in the Caribbean (where your DNA) has been reported.
@24Cenac Yes, Fulani people are West African, I never said we are not. We are found in the Sahel and Southern Sahara and also in countries like Guinea, Sierra Leone, etc. due to our nomadic lifestyle we are found everywhere in West Africa. However, the most pure Fulani (Fula Wodaabe) are found in the Southern Sahara. We are black, I never said we were not.
Good video and good song to go with it, the song is in Fulani language (Fulfulde) I am impressed that a Tubako (white guy in Fula language) no offense my brother haha I'm very proud of you that you picked that Habib Koite song.
you certainly don't understand what they're saying then. Just by listening to the background talk, you can clearly say they are fula/fulbe. One of the ladies has said:"be nangito" which means they are recording.
@rabiatou22 you are so wrong it's not even funny, they look like the purest Fulani with the long hair, like the Fula Woodabe of Niger/Nigeria/Chad and Cameroon.
@renata florio what is the name of the second song please from france
bakster75013 10 months ago
@bakster75013
I don't remember the exact title of that song, but it is certainly from one of the 3 CD's I bought in Mali:
Habib Koité : Baro
Habib Koité : Maya Samaraya
Salif : Mama
Sorry I couldn't be more precise: I hope you will find it
renataflorio 10 months ago
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dabofase 1 year ago
The way the women blacken lips is also another thing that only Fulani do, this is complete Pulaku.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
In St Lucia, as elsewhere in French Caribbean, the French brought these brothers and sisters to work. And I see faces there, that are here. No such thing as typical Peul, though many can, like many Igbo, appear light. The music is deeply Mandean in tone and, in my romantic mind, cld be heard in the Court of Mansa Musa.
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac the song is in the Fulani language, even though the singer Habib Koite himself is a Soninke. The song is called Pulaku which means Fulani way of life. People who practice Pulaku are us the Fulani.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf Love the song, love the tone, love the Fulani & all the ethnic groups who arrieved in the Americas. Finally, the internet allows, hamdulilah, for a kind of reconnection. U know Morgan Freeman, the US actor, has Soninke heritage. I am not sure if the Fulani were Muslim in the time of Mali Empire. You know right the Fulani were enslaved & ended up in Americas?
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac I do not know Morgan Freeman, I don't watch many American film. It is good to know he is of Soninke origin. We (The Fulani) were the first Muslims in West Africa. Many Africans of various ethnic groups were brought to America so I would not be surprised if there are American of Fula origin.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf the 'first Muslims' in W. Africa point is open to interpretation. Arguably, the concept of a 'Fulani' people is recent. The terms for the people are not autonyms but exonyms: the Manding langauges are the source. Fulani are, as a people, a work in progress & only under State patronage (Fota Jallon, Sokoto Calipahte etc ) has the ppl emereged. With respect, it is also clear that rulers, not the ppl, tended to be 'Orthodox' Muslims in these States.
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac Around 890 or so Mandinke became Muslims but so did many other ethnic groupe in the region of Takrur.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf Takrrur, according to Africanist, is when 'Bilad Sudan' became Muslim. I do not accept the usual definitions of 'black' & many of the Sahelians, for argument sake, wld also be 'black elsewhere. Again, exonyms prevail: outside definitions of peoples identity. Islam, as an idea, wandered into the Western Sahara before Ma'qil invasions. For what reasons did the Fula Wodaabe become the 'purest'?
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac Takrur was also a Fulani region (that is why French call is Toucouleur or Peul). Fouta Tooro is part of Takrur. Fula Wodaabe are the purest Fulani because they have never mixed until recently with other ethnic group, and they kept the true Nomadic lifestyle of Herdsmen. They originated from the deep Sahara before migrating southward to what is present day Niger/Northern Nigeria so that they can graze their cattle. AT one point, the Sahara was a grassland/Savannah, so they moved.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf I thank you young brother. By the way, I also read French & Arabic so anything in those languges is welcome. Though Woodabe were Cattle herders, it implies a central component of the Fulani identity wld be related to nomadism or pastraulism. There may be colour' offshots to a Sahelian identity. I recall some Fulani in Guinea not defining themselves as 'black'. Is skin politics alive among your people?
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac I think Guinea people are weird if they say that. Despite what they want to think they are black. Any Fulani from Senegal, Mali, Niger, Mauritania, Nigeria, Sudan, Cameroon, Benin, etc. etc. will tell you that they are black. I would hope there are not Western skin politic within the Fulani sub-group.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf I guess so. Baaba Maal is a dark brother & a Fulani. Mauritanian skin politics is really a reflection of groups rallying over resources: the Southern Speakers of Hassaniyah look black, in Western seense, but are responsible for the discrimination against folks of Sonninke or Fulani background. They have constructed 'Arab' identity. Most were Berber, dark & light, who were subject to small but dominant Yemeni invasions.
24Cenac 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf I looked at your web page. It is impressive. Can you tell me what issues affect the Peul in many West African states? Is it possible to discriminate on Fulani there on the basis of race? You are in the States. Maybe you see Fulani Wodaabe faces there (smile).
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac in Mauritania, the Arabs dislike all black people, but the highest black population in Mauritania is Fulani. A lot of Fulani people have been driven away from Mauritania (a country where Fulani are also originally from) south ward into Southern Fouta Tooro (Senegal). So yes, we do face discrimination, it is not easy to be a nomadic group of people these days. Most people do not like it when you cross into their country border with cattle, this is why there are less nomadic fulani now
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf How does a Fulani from Senegal relate to Fulani from Nigeria? Are there cultural differences of any importance, so that a Fulani Nigerian wld consider a Hausa for his daughter more than a Senagalese Fulani? In short, can the various Fulani be prejudiced toawrds one another and, if so, whic group appears the most discriminatory among the various Fulani?
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac we are all Fula people. A lot of Nigerian Fulani except those who are in Adamawa and Plateau no longer speak Fulfulde/Pular. A lot of them speak only Hausa now (at least the ones in Sokoto). The Dialects are different and sometimes difficult for each one to comprehend. You have to listen very carefully. An example: Mi hinni ma mean I greet you in Cameroon/Nigeria Fulani, in Senegal and other Western Fulani country you say Mi Salmini ma. They are close and easy to understand.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@24Cenac What I'm trying to say is that Fulani from Senegal to Sudan consider themselves brother and sisters no matter the distance, there are many songs that explain the close-knitness of all Fulani.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf Mi Salamini Ma akhi! Clearly, the Fulani are trying to build institutions to preserve a rather 'scattered' heritage. The songs, in Sokoto, celebrate Dan Fodios Jihads. This Mujahid was, if I recall, a Fulani within a Hausa environment. I noticed the vid of Fulani Massacres in Jos (u commented) & some of the comments by Ghanians & Nigerians indicate the setteler/nomad divide. Add to that, the recent global anti-Muslim polemic.
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac Well the West has given Islam a bad name because a select few fake Muslims have given the religion a bad name. I think it is unfair because, there are bad people in every religion. What about those priests that do bad things to young kids? Should someone judge Christianity on that? That was the point I was trying to make to those Ghanaians and Nigerians.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@24Cenac There are even conferences that are held each year called KJPF for all Fulani worldwide (Kawtal Jangoobe Pular Fulfulde) it's like a network of Fulani from Senegal to Cameroon/Nigeria. Sometimes the dialect differences are noticeable though, but you have to listen very carefully to understand.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf
Soninke are the first Muslims in West-Africa !!!!
Saheli9 1 month ago
My local guide (who is from Mopti) helped me in choosing some very good Malian records, that I still enjoy a lot listening
renataflorio 1 year ago 2
@renataflorio Thank you sir each time I watch this type of thing I want to go back home. Ajaarama Renataflorio.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf I use the term 'Mandean' in broad sense: those ppls who were under the Cultural influence of the 14th century Malian Empire. Muslims, Sahelian and Coastal, these ppl including Bambara, Sonnike, Mandinka and others. Maybe we can include the Fulani. But, as noted, the way of life of most Peul ws nomadic & not always suited to Muslim scholarship. Respect n love.
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac Bambara are also Mandé, Fulani are not. We do not speak a Mandé language. Respect and love to you too.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@VraiDiouf Fulani language is closely related to the Wolof & Serer. Your people, in mass, tend to not any different from other West Africans. You are, in short, a black West African people who had, in periods, to travel from one place to another. Nomads are usually marginalised ppl & for obvious reasons. But I am pleased to see you emerged strong in the many States & in the Caribbean (where your DNA) has been reported.
24Cenac 1 year ago
@24Cenac Yes, Fulani people are West African, I never said we are not. We are found in the Sahel and Southern Sahara and also in countries like Guinea, Sierra Leone, etc. due to our nomadic lifestyle we are found everywhere in West Africa. However, the most pure Fulani (Fula Wodaabe) are found in the Southern Sahara. We are black, I never said we were not.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
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@renataflorio what is the name of the second song please from france!!!!!
bakster75013 10 months ago
Good video and good song to go with it, the song is in Fulani language (Fulfulde) I am impressed that a Tubako (white guy in Fula language) no offense my brother haha I'm very proud of you that you picked that Habib Koite song.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
You can also see from their style of jewellery that they are Peul/Fulani.
LIMNALSPECTRE 2 years ago
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ChanaYah100 2 years ago
Habib Koité is singing
ejalal33 3 years ago
these people do not look peul i can say. they must be mixed with other tribes or descendants of slaves.
rabiatou22 3 years ago
you certainly don't understand what they're saying then. Just by listening to the background talk, you can clearly say they are fula/fulbe. One of the ladies has said:"be nangito" which means they are recording.
Thiaw
kuranetworks 3 years ago
@rabiatou22 what is looking peul? peul come in many different forms and looks. There is no such thing as looking peul.
VraiDiouf 2 years ago
@rabiatou22 you are so wrong it's not even funny, they look like the purest Fulani with the long hair, like the Fula Woodabe of Niger/Nigeria/Chad and Cameroon.
VraiDiouf 1 year ago
@rabiatou22
they are very much peul
Saheli9 1 month ago
I hope you got their permission before filming them and publishing the video.
jaaxa 3 years ago
Of course I had their filming permission: a videocamera is quite obvious and they even played a little with it,
As for publishing, no, I didn't explain them about YouTubes: maybe I will do it as soon as they get electrical power
renataflorio 3 years ago