Okay Stevie: 1) I get you now, Google shows nearly 2,500 results for your user name since Feb. 2011. I read many of your comments, from alternative energy, religion, global warming, amateur wannabe physics,pro-life etc.Every one of your comments is a put-down or an attempt at portraying yourself as intellectually superior to others.I'd guess your a H.S. senior or recent university student & it's looking like your location is probably Europe.You have absolutely no connection to the events that
@70scarrestoguy occurred in Franconia.You made no previous comments supporting law enforcement, crime/capital punishment or related topics.Your all about looking knowledgeable regarding current scientific topics 101 & you enjoy harassing the guys at MIT but they put you in your place pretty good.You whine about abortion, yet you hope that the police kill me because I don't support the Gestapo behavior of a single "Rogue Cop". Go back to LankaEuro Tube & don't bother Trolling back here!
I don't justify what he said as far as you getting popped but you aren't just "unsupportive" of his behavior, you JUSTIFY Kenney's behavior. You also criticize the bystander who stopped this murderer before he could do any more damage.
@derrickjac What do you mean by "as far as you getting popped". I never said I approved of Liko Kenney shooting officer Mckay. I stated that I believed Kenney was terrified of Mckay & that I don't believe Kenney would've been charged or convicted of murder. Manslaughter? Yes, there's no doubt Kenney should've been serving a prison sentence for killing officer Mckay. Floyd is the biggest piece of shit in the north country, I'm surprised nobodies yet killed Floyd in self defense. Floyd a sick nut-
You called the officer an enraged sociopath and the kid an idealist so you'll have to forgive me. People are calling Floyd a murderer on this thread and not giving him the same consideration as their apparent hero, Liko Kenney. If Liko Kenney committed manslaughter (which IMO isn't met), then Floyd subsequently shooting him dead is justified. Being pulled over repeatedly by police and being subdued by force is NOT provocation under law.
@70scarrestoguy from Mass, had multiple felony convictions before he ever moved here. Floyd gets off by threatening to kill women, teenagers & school officials. Floyd is an enraged cowardly POS who never had the balls to threaten or start a fight with a grown man. His Skank Ass wife is a perfect match for him & their son Lil Floyd is turning out to be a thieving felonious lump off the old POS block. Neither Mckay or Kenney deserved to die the way they did but I'm not surprised Mckay died on duty
@derrickjac Are you from the north country & do you know anything about Greg Floyd? If not, then your ignorantly supportive of a life long violent felon. Had an honest law abiding citizen made the choice to take possession of & fire officer Mckay's weapon, then I'd have little reason to criticize that person. Floyd immediately fired at the car using Mckays weapon, that caused Kenney to drive over Mckay's body in an attempt to escape Floyd. Floyd's could've blocked the exit & radioed for help
Not being from your neck of the woods does not preclude me from commenting on the factors of this incident. Floyd may well be a life long violent felon for all I know. His actions that day were both reasonable and justified given the circumstances. What many people are forgetting is that this is an individual who was thrust onto them a sudden and explosively violent scenario where he had to think and act fast. Trust me, seeing someone shot to death is horrific and jarring.
@70scarrestoguy And as far as the law goes, it doesn't matter what his vices or prior crimes are. What were his actions IN THE MOMENT and were they REASONABLE.
@70scarrestoguy When are you going to learn that it does not matter what happened prior to the fateful pull over, or even the pull over itself. McKay sprayed Liko and non chalanty (and foolishly) lumbered away. McKay didn't jump out with his gun drawn. McKay did not try to pull him out and beat him down. McKay gave him a good does of spray and walked away. Liko is the one who fired FAR MORE BULLETS THAN NECESSARY to defend himself, and in doing so became a cold blooded murdered than defendant.
@codylong1980 Floyd is no better than Liko. Both are shitbags, plain and simple. But I find it absurd that Liko actually has supporters for MURDERING someone, yet Floyd who in turn MURDERED the MURDERER is somehow more vilified in this ordeal. Only in America. Geeeeez!
@pdxyota Clearly no intelligible life coming from you. Headshot right back at you MF (my friend)
19 DECEMBER 2011
Read the Affidavits in Liko Kenney v. Franconia, Norman Bruce McKay, Greg Floyd et al. 2010-CV-181 as World interest rises for the Dorothy Aufiero/Casey Sherman "Bad Blood: Freedom and Death in the White Mountains" movie.
@rstevewarmorycom You have no idea what you are talking about, Liko Kenney was rightfully scared for his life, that cop had abused and threatened people for years, so much so that a selectman said he felt responsible for the deaths because so many complaints against McKay went ignored. Not to mention the coverup. Get a law degree and some common sense then we can talk.
@rstevewarmorycom You can't believe a bushel could have 1 bad apple or you wont publicly admit that a police officer could've been ill-suited to wear the badge. Ever hear the phrase; I'm not the problem, it's everybody else whose the problem. That phrase very accurately describes the dynamics of Bruce Mckay's relationship with the people of the Franconia area. Don't you wonder why Mckay was prohibited from responding to Lisbon police assistance calls? Lisbon labeled him a danger to the community
And oh yeah, other LE who worked with McKay warned his superiors that he should be fired because he was a threat to himself, the department and the community. Google "KingCast + read the affidavits."
@rstevewarmorycom I don't know which police state you live in, but NH police don't have the right to harrass, physically assault or terrorize citizens.That's probably legal or acceptable in Mass, Conn, RI, New York & many other states but it's a violation in NH. We don't need enraged cops harassing peaceful motorcycle clubs.We don't need 3 cops beating up a young guy with a gimpy neck, nor do we need your assessment that we're idiots for sticking up for our state guaranteed rights.Obviously -
@70scarrestoguy 2) the armed force in this case was unfit to public service.There was nothing wrong with the brain chemistry of the so-called sociopath kid but he was dyslexic.He maybe smoked a little marijuana occasionally & he had somewhat an idealistic perspective upon life in general.No known parental abuse but his aunt was being a money grubbing bitch over a property dispute.The killed officer was much more an enraged sociopath than the idealistic young guy ever would've been.He's not-
@70scarrestoguy representative of the majority of cops, nobody is going to judge an entire bushel bad because of a single unfit apple.Do a little research, check the facts before you make a jackass of yourself mouthing off about circumstances you've no idea.Ask anybody who knew these people what they thought of them before this incident.The kid was a kind, good hearted person whereas the cop was known as a women beater.A bully with a badge, known for threatening citizens & had a list of com-
@70scarrestoguy 4) plaints against him.I once received a verbal warning for going 5-mph over.He was known as an angry, moody person, sometimes with violent outbursts.He was the "Women,children & small animals" type of tough guy, a Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde with a badge.The police chief should've put him behind a desk pending a psychological evaluation & told him to leave his personal problems at home.BTW The cops wife had a restraining order against him earlier.Too bad Kenney didn't get one too.
@rstevewarmorycom 1)Which actions were you referring to? The actions of a terrified young man, initially pulled over for a registration plate sticker violation by an officer who was warned not to have any contact with Kenney by his superiors.The actions of Kenney initially pulling over, only to sit in his car for several minutes not knowing why he was being stopped.Mckay could've approached the passengers window & informed them another officer would soon be there to write the ticket.Mckay wanted
@70scarrestoguy 2)to escalate the situation to where he could assault & vent his rage against Kenney.I'd have the back of any other police officer but Mckay was unfit for law enforcement & a disgrace to the badge.The incident wasn't typical because Mckay wasn't the typical officer & in no way was he a reflection of law enforcement in general.Mckay's actions led to Kenney's felonious action of manslaughter & Kenney would've spent several years in prison had Floyd (real criminal) not executed him.
@rstevewarmorycom From an officer whom the chief prohibited him from having contact with Liko Kenney.Mckay should've informed them, either over the loud speaker or by approaching the passengers window, that another officer would be there shortly to write the ticket.You obviously know very little regarding the conflicts between officer Mckay & many citizens in Franconia, Bethlehem, Easton, Sugar Hill & Lisbon.Why do you think Mckay was prohibited from offering assistance to Lisbon? An angry NUT!
@rstevewarmorycom Don't bother labeling me as a friend or sympathiser of Liko Kenney.I never met Kenney but the entire North Country had heard of officer Mckay's bizarre conduct.Everybody up there knew the entire incident could've been avoided if Mckay's superiors & the Town Of Franconia had removed him from police duty.That's the basis for the comments I've posted.The lack of action by Franconia officials allowed Mckay to endanger the community while shielded by the badge he disgraced.
@rstevewarmorycom dude u are retarded, the chief, the town gave Mckay ORDERS not to bother Kenney, if you want to yell at anyone yell at the dumb town and chief for even deciding to do that
@rstevewarmorycom Dude the U.S. doesn't use the electric chair any longer but I wish I could've seen Theodore Bundy jerk back & forth as he was toasted. In NH; It's legal to carry a loaded weapon within a motor vehicle, you need to have a $10. shall issue LTC permit. I'd never want to shoot at anybody but if somebody was attempting to murder me, I'd definitely return fire. Aim center mass (heart, lungs & CNS) & keep on firing until the attacker hits the floor. Go Troll elsewhere
@rstevewarmorycom Your obviously not from the area, you don't know what went on here.We know an insubordinate officer incapable of controlling his personal rage, unleashed the fury his dysfunctional personal life caused him upon the citizens of towns above the notch.I'm not going to get suckered into arguing with an uninformed supporter of an unfit police officer.Read the lawsuit against Franconia, Mckay & Floyd.Read how selectmen said they felt responsible Mckay wasn't removed from service.
@70scarrestoguy Exactly. And you are right about ignoring trolls but we still need to keep the Truth set forth.... while remembering the fact that if you argue with a jackass for too long it becomes difficult tell who is whom.
These guys will stop at nothing to excuse this cop killer from exercising this fictitious right to murder. They haven't listened to one bit of evidence supporting that Liko Kenney acted outside the realm of reason. They think that if you shoot someone immediately after they murder a police officer, you are guilty of murder. It's lunacy. At the heart of this are several people wanting to make money off made up controversy. It's absolutely disgusting.
@derrickjac Nobody said Kenney had the right to kill but no prosecutor would've charged murder.After hearing the facts, no jury would've convicted Kenney of murder but definitely would've convicted Kenney of manslaughter.Your obviously not from around here & you don't know who Kenney or Mckay were.I don't care that you blindly or ignorantly support 100%, a cop who was unfit for public service & a disgrace to law enforcement. Go Troll somewhere else, maybe you can cry over NH open carry rights.
You are saying a prosecutor would consider unfounded reports of police abuse and a preexisting relationship between a cop and a person in the community as a basis to say Kenney is guilty of manslaughter versus murder? You are off your rocker. McKay was still an acting officer and Kenney could have pulled over and received a ticket. Instead he ran and was going to be arrested for that, and probably for possessing a firearm in the cab of his car.
@rstevewarmorycom if u do research on this specific case, the officer was instructed that he could not personally deal with Mr. Kenney. This was the town councils decision
@rstevewarmorycom You hit the nail dead center with the sentence "if an officer is not fit for every duty then he shouldn't be on the street at all". Other police officers, a Franconia Selectman & probably around 5 percent of town citizens said Bruce McKay was a danger to the public. Nobodies implying that police officers are bad but Bruce McKay's temperament & outbursts of rage made him ill-suited to enforce the laws of New Hampshire.The guy just didn't fit in & some people didn't like him
As restevewarmory said, he can be advised that it would be best to have another officer deal with him but forced? He was a police officer and he had the legal requirement that he enforce the law that he witnessed being broken; to wit an expired reg tag.
@rstevewarmorycom um the officer wasnt trying to block him. that is obviously Kenney had several ways to drive away from the cop car, the officer was just trying to intimidate him!!
Floyd's history of violence along with him EXECUTING Liko Kenney should have been punishable by law. Floyd shot him twice, in the head and in the neck. Once would have been enough, anything else suggest an execution. Floyd had at least two felonies against him. They also found 22 different kinds of pain pills in his system after the shooting.
@VenusBlue4u Exactly. And there is much more that Kelly Ayotte hid. Cut paste and Google:
03 FEBRUARY 2011
Drinking liberally knows Kelly Ayotte is a "Horrible, horrible person," The Fighter and Bad Blood movie producer Dorothy Aufiero takes note.
01 JANUARY 2011
Operation Gregory Floyd: Re-establishing the fact that NH AG cum U.S. Senator Kelly Ayotte covered up Gregory Floyd's lies and criminal history after he murdered Liko Kenney, IMO.
@VenusBlue4u Floyd fired at least 4 shots, many people believe the 4th shot was aimed at silencing Caleb.After initially being shot in the neck, Kenney's head was slumping towards Caleb when Floyd fired again.I believe Floyd was aiming at Caleb, Kenneys head slumped forwards as Floyd fired at Caleb but the bullet struck Kenney in the head.Floyd was attempting to murder the witness but he became aware of other witnesses & instead altered the evidence & rolled the dice he'd get away with murder.
The best evidence thus far was that he shot an armed and dangerous murderer who was in the commission of a felony. At most it's a suicide if we're calling it anything other than justifiable homicide. Pills, alcohol, other drugs or not; the shooting was good and clear.
Perhaps there could have been a ruling on that. We'll never know now because Liko decided to drive around strapped that day. I don't care if an asshole cop blows OC in a person's face with no cause whatsoever, it is no justification for deadly force on that officer. A lawsuit, yes. Termination, yes. Shooting him, fuck no. As for Floyd; he did what any reasonable person would do by shooting Liko. His unreasonable actions (tampering, lying, whathaveyou) were deemed unworthy of prosecution.
@derrickjac Dude the town and police had seen dozens of complaints against McKay and IGNORED them, even when valid. And as for Kelly Ayotte's complete cover up of the situation, you praise her for it and offer no substantive response to the facts (windshield bullet, placement of casings, etc.) so thanks for coming out, door prizes are on the left.
@KingCast65 Casing locations, glass placement, etc don't hold any weight in a situation like this. Unless he dragged Kenney out onto the dirt and executed him, you have no cause to call Floyd a murderer. I don't praise anybody for covering up anything. You are talking about conspiracies, not me. I'm saying Floyd's behavior post-shooting at the scene is not worthy of prosecution. Lots of crimes aren't punished. Ever heard of IOJ? What furtherance of justice is accomplished by prosecuting him?
@derrickjac 1) What about when that POS Floyd executed Kenney & denied the state of NH the ability to conduct a trial? That would've been in Littleton District Court, I doubt the prosecutor would've charged 1st or 2nd degree murder.If he had, Kenney probably would've walked away "Scott Free".They would've charged manslaughter & easily received a conviction.Many people believe that Kenney drove over Mckay's body trying to escape Floyd, who had shot at them through the windshield base.Then Floyd
@70scarrestoguy fired through the car side window, striking Kenney in the head & neck with 2 bullets.I wonder if Floyd was aiming to silence Caleb with the 2nd shot but instead struck Kenney in the head as his head moved forward.No much hope now but Floyd should be in prison for 2nd degree murder & several other charges.Floyd is a worse person than Carl Drega & it's only a matter of time until he murders again.Sure hope he runs out of time before the north country becomes victim of more tragedy.
@derrickjac 1) Are you saying that somebody who drives around "strapped" is a problem?Because half the people in NH, including myself, are licensed to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.Pretty much the only people who are unarmed are non-violent criminals & underage persons.The facts of that incident are that a public servant, a bully with rage issues, often ignored police regulations.I don't condone a terrified person shooting a police officer but I can see why Kenney feared for his -
@70scarrestoguy personal safety.At the 2003 incident,which Mckay was deemed to be out of line & charges were dismissed, Mckay & 2 other officers attacked Kenney.Kenney informed them that he had a cervical spine injury but the three of them attacked him as though they were attempting to cripple Kenney.I heard a man by name of Cowles comment to McKay "your a real tough guy with women & children huh?", to which half the store patrons chuckled aloud.Kenney would've been guilty of manslaughter had-
@70scarrestoguy Floyd not illegally executed him.I would've been very interested to observe a trial of State VS Kenney but the drugged out, murderous POS Floyd stole justice from NH.Many people believe Floyd was also shooting at Caleb, in order to silence the witness & then threatened Caleb repeatedly after he realized witnesses were present.Floyd did prevent his son(also a witness) from giving a statement to police at the crime scene.Kenney = manslaughter & Floyd = 2nd degree murder & more
Driving around with a readily accessible loaded firearm in the cab of your car is a problem when you're driving on expired reg tags and have had prior problems with the police. The facts are that McKay was still an acting police officer, had not been sued to any avail, had not been ruled out of line in dealing with Kenney previously, and was murdered in every sense of the word by this young man. Greg Floyd, all flaws notwithstanding, was well within his legal rights to end this.
@derrickjac I thought Kenney's prior problems with the police were dismissed from court. As far as I knew, Kenney wasn't a convicted felon & was legally in possession of his pistol.I don't think the aspect of Kenney's registration plate decal being expired was a felony or a misdemeanor, I believe that would've been a violation & punishable by a small to moderate fine.Kenney definitely killed Mckay but I'd hardly call the circumstances murder, had he survived, no prosecutor would've charged-
@70scarrestoguy 2)Kenney with capital murder or 2nd degree murder.Kenney would've walked free had a jury learned of Mckay's constant harassment & incidents of assault against Kenney.Any competent defense counsel could've introduced evidence of multiple complaints against officer Mckay.State Police, Franconia & Sugar Hill officers warned that Mckay was a danger "Rogue Cop" to the community.Mckay was barred from responding to Lisbon assistance calls because he was a danger to their citizens.Were-
@70scarrestoguy 3) I a member of an informed jury, serving on the trial that never occurred, (because Floyd stole justice from NH), I'd have voted to acquit for murder.I'd have voted guilty of manslaughter all day long & voted for a severe punishment.I don't hate police officers, I'm not trying to "excuse a cop killer" of responsibility.We can all thank that POS Floyd for robbing NH of justice, I don't know how Floyd's son(also a thieving criminal) can look at his father knowing his father made-
@70scarrestoguy him complicit to a murder for revenge.I guess it's true about the apple & the tree.I'm glad that Floyd's bizarre, felonious attempt at being the Hero was futile & that we all saw him as adding murder to his long list o character defects.Lil Floyd's a thieving chip off the old block.It's ironic that old Floyd was from Townsend Mass, not far from where Daniel Laplante (triple murderer) had lived.Must be the water down there.I hope Floyd isn't buried in NH, we've already enough shit
@derrickjac Greg Floyd is a mentally incompetent convicted felon, probably a criminal from the day he went to school.I'd be curious to see if Massachusetts has a mile long juvenile record that's similar to his adult record.It's no wonder that Lil Floyd is following in Daddy's footsteps, he'll go on a spree after Old Floyd kicks the bucket.I'm not wishing it upon Lil Floyd but he'll end up in prison or the morgue soon enough.
Kenney shot that officer because he knew his life was over because he had a goddamned .45 Glock in his car. He would be sent to prison for that. Caleb thought the cop was going to murder them on dash cam. Ok. Next time I feel like murdering someone I'll just claim they hated me and I thought they were going to kill me. Wow. You should have your ability to practice law revoked. You need to go read about what constitutes self defense and justifiable homicide.
@derrickjac Claims he hated him? Asshole why don't you read the goddamn affidavit from former Franconia LE Bradford Whipple on my journal page when he says Sgt. Mark Taylor (McKay's superior) knew McKay "had it out" for Liko. So fuck you, and shut the fuck up you are way out of your league.
Better question actually. Do you know what heresay is and why it results in unacceptable testimony? I'll leave you to that.
Bradford Whipple again claims the officer had it out. I don't care if he had it out. That should have been the basis for a lawsuit against the officer if it was true. He could've advised Liko seek counsel. You could've represented him with all your legal prowess.
@derrickjac Oh I am quite aware of the rules of Hearsay, are you aware now that this is not yet trial time and that this is an Affidavit. The better question is what basis do you have to doubt the Affidavit for when Sgt. Taylor is called in as a witness, ahem.
And of course the portion of Brad Whipple's observation that McKay was unfit is not hearsay, right?
Basis for lawsuit, of course it would have been, so too would many other citizen complaints that went IGNORED.
I know what affidavits are. I also know people lie, mischaracterize, misconstrue, and leave out details in them. They are simply statements that can be read into the court record. The veracity of them depends on numerous factors. People may express all sorts of interpretations and emotions in a sworn statement that may or may not support an assertion in legal proceedings. It doesn't help that Officer McKay is deceased and unable to defend himself.
@derrickjac Same for Liko Kenney dude. And no you have no reason to doubt Brad or the firefighters or the TRO by McKay's wife or the woman who said McKay pointed a knife at her privates. Great guy.
At least no woman ever claimed that Liko terrorized or threatened her, and that's something Greg Floyd and your little hero Bruce McKay could never say. And if you'll threaten a woman or put your wife in a safe house you'll do anything.
See ya.
PS: And that ain't hearsay buddy, those are FACTS.
I'll summarize this. Liko Kenney may have been a nice young man with mental problems. McKay may have very well been a terrible cop. Greg Floyd for all anybody knows could have been an Aryan Nation white supremacist but during that incident Kenney did not have 1. A reason for having a .45 Glock in his possession in that car within arms reach and 2. Did not have a proper justification for shooting and killing McKay.
The point is that Liko Kenney, contrary to the government bullshit, did not commit cold blooded murder, Caleb thought McKay was going to kill them and that is called SELF DEFENSE.
And the greater responsibility is on the government to get rid of bad cops like McKay who have terrorized the community and his (ex) wife for YEARS upon YEARS.
Not to mention the lies told by AG now Senator Kelly Ayotte.
@derrickjac Nah, I used my legal prowess on prior occasion to have bad cops found to have made my client a victim of violent crime. This time I used it to help defeat BOTH Bruce McKay Highway bills.
Think about that. It says a lot about when kind of cop you are when the legislature will NOT name a road after you even though you were shot (allegedly) in the line of duty. When you are a rogue cop, sometimes you get shot.
Brad Whipple, who worked with McKay said he was a rogue. Not hearsay.
You have to be a saint or rich man to have your name bestowed upon a highway. You aren't impressing me with this. Nobody is clean, not even you. Domestic quarrels, drugs, high profile embarrassments. It all counts until the day you die. You defend cop killers even after they've been buried because you have a problem with authority. When you are an idiot lawyer, sometimes you chase ambulances (or lawsuits against cities).
Brad Whipple says, so it must be true? Give me a friggen break lol.
@derrickjac No you don't, give me a break you fool. There are roads all over NH and in the Country named after falled police officers. I do not have a problem with authority and as I already told you, go back to the beginning of my coverage to see that I had no horse in this race, until I investigated.
You ignore Brad Whipple, you ignore the firefighters, you ignore the TRO by McKay's wife and the woman who got a knife pointed at her privates by McKay.
I find it hard to believe you are 46 years old in spite of all of this evidence to the contrary. I'm sure if I dug around your life I could find someone to fill out an affidavit confirming you are in fact the maturity of a 15 year old.
@derrickjac I think anyone who sees a pregnant woman move out around the time of childbirth and get a TRO while calling it a little domestic squabble needs a maturity adjustment, ahem.
I do look younger than my 45 years in this video though:
NH SB154 Bruce McKay Highway vote no #1__ Christopher King_KingCast
Cops have very high divorce rates. People sling insults and aggressive behavior toward each other and BANG a TRO is issued. TRO's might as well be dispensed by vending machines in court lobbies. TRO's can be issued for seemingly innocent behavior like a spouse trying to apologize to another without their desire to receive phone calls or any contact from them.
Again...I'm not saying he was a saint, but using this TRO issue to establish character is laughable.
@derrickjac The only think laughable aside from your thinly-veiled and baseless contempt for Bradford Whipple is your continued attempts to isolate everything instead of looking at the composite, full picture of Bruce McKay.
Do you also doubt what former Selectman Carl Belz said about McKay being "out of control" and no one policing the police, or does he have a problem with authority too?
I'm sure Whipple is a fine person. His personal beliefs about the relationship between McKay and Kenney are speculative. They just don't hold weight.
Belz is voicing a concern, not a fact. What does all of that have to do with this shooting? McKay pulled Kenney over for speeding, which became an evading an officer, which became a shooting of a police officer in the commission of his duties. Sounds like Kenney was out of control to me. Carrying a .45 Glock in arms reach in his car.
@derrickjac Bradford Whipple could be a horses ass as a person, I don't care. I am talking about his EXPERIENCE as an area police officer, which you were not. And unless you believe he is lying about his communications with Sgt. Taylor I suggest you sit down and shut up.
As to Carl Belz, he is voicing his opinion as an elected official, based on complaints he reviewed, not to mention those that Chief Montminy failed to forward.
You can try to excuse McKay all you want to though, keep it up.
No, you said I had contempt for Whipple. His experience as an officer doesn't tell me the relationship between McKay and Kenney proximate to this shooting. I'm not necessarily saying McKay was a hero or even a good officer. I think you are making inferences from incomplete evidence and THAT is part of my problem. My main and initial problem is you are accusing a man of murder when he shot an armed cop killer in the commission of numerous crimes.
@derrickjac Contempt or whatever you want to call it, call it dismissiveness if you want to but he testified that folks in Haverhill told him McKay was a bad hire and that they fired him, and his DIRECT EXPERIENCE with McKay led him to believe he was a danger to himself, the force and the community. He says so in my videos.
And as far a Floyd goes, he did commit murder, he lied about the circumstances that led to him shooting and Kelly covered it up. Do I need to rehash that to you or what?
@KingCast65 Lying about the circumstances that led up to it, tampering with the crime scene, being a racist a-hole, not donating to charity, and being a generally bad person DOESN'T meet the elements of MURDER. Dear god. This is one big straw-grabbing contest you are conducting here. McKay however poor an officer he may have been did not ask for this. McKay and Floyd are both victims of this maniac's actions. Thank goodness nobody else was hurt. It's a freaking miracle.
@derrickjac It's a miracle that nobody killed Bruce McKay a long time ago. When you violate protocol specifically designed to prevent violent responses you are likely to get hurt or killed, this is why State Rep Sorg said the Bruce McKay caused his own demise.
You don't like it, take it up with him as you drive down Bruce McKay Highway.
@KingCast65 All of this talk about whether he violated protocol is a red herring. I don't care what a Sorg said. If he wants to know the cause of Bruce McKay's demise it was Liko Kenney, carrying a readily accessible weapon in the cab of his car, not pulling over as commanded, acting belligerent, and finally shooting this officer when he was about to be taken into custody.
I don't really care if he has a highway named after him or not. Doesn't make a difference to me.
@derrickjac You call it a red herring, I call it a Constitutional Violation and rules designed to prevent violent reactions. I don't know what McKay's ex-wife calls it, perhaps you could ask the folks at the safe house where she went because of a little lover's quarrel as you say.
@derrickjac This happened in one of the least strictest gun law states in the country. Plus If you do research about this whole thing, the town made an agreement with Kenney that if officer Mckay ever had a legal issue with him, he would call for back-up and have them directly deal with the situation. That's what the camera on the car is for to record what happens.
@snke001 Are you suggesting it would not be a violation of the law for Kenney to have a handgun readily accessible in the cab of his vehicle as he obviously did?
I've researched enough to determine that Kenney could have pulled over and signed the damn ticket and got on with his life. Instead he gunned a police officer down and suffered the consequences. The camera in this case recorded cold-blooded murder.
@snke001 Not entirely provable about the agreement, I have a copy of the court docs. Nonetheless McKay lied to Liko and told him there was no backup for the situation and told him he would have to deal with him only, when in fact he HAD called for backup. Just more mental and emotional intimidation from a Bad Cop.
Do you know how many complaints officers get in their lifetime. You are lucky to find one in a thousand people who believe they were pulled over, arrested, stopped from doing what they wanted or being where they were at for good reasons. They ALL disagree. Some of them even complain about it. Out of those, it is a truly rare occasion to find officers risk their lives and reputation to jerk someone around.
@derrickjac I represented LE and sued them. I am very well aware how many complaints they get over their lifetimes and I am very well aware that there are virtually no complaints against other police officers in Franconia, nor have any other police in Franconia been kicked off of other jurisdictions for abusing the system the way McKay was booted out of Lisbon.
And that's not hearsay, that's a fact.
And as far as you knocking Brad Whipple, you have no basis for so doing.
I didn't knock Brad Whipple, I simply stated that his declaring that Officer McKay "had it out" for Liko is his words and not a proven fact. McKay could very well have been simply enforcing the law with Kenney. Upon seeing him flip him off, I'd say he needed a ticket and a visit to court to remind him of the rules of the road. The guy obviously had no idea how to act.
@derrickjac How I might talk to you and how I present to legislature are two different things. You have shown yourself to be resolutely stubborn in refusing to acknowledge any culpability on the State, so I speak to you as if you are stupid. This is how I address legislature:
NH SB154 Bruce McKay Highway vote no #1__ Christopher King_KingCast
Dear god what have I done. I criticized a lawyer who invokes Greeks.
I am mainly concerned with you calling Greg Floyd a murderer. I don't have much to say as to how the city may or may not have handled an officer who may or may not have been a bad employee.
@derrickjac Plus you make no sense: I might go to jail for having a gun, so I'll shoot a cop instead..... Nah bro, many people in that town feared McKay, I already told you the woman who tried to save his life at her driveway was afraid of him and even a firefighter and his boss wrote to Franconia selectmen "I was in fear of, and still afraid of Bruce McKay, Franconia PD let us down."
And these are men who work for the city, imagine what it's like for a youth.
I don't think the gun itself was the issue. A combination of a burning, seething hatred for an officer that he feels wronged him in the past and would certainly send him to jail for a serious crime; absolutely. People snap over way smaller things than that. Kenney could have pulled over and submitted to this officer's orders. He could have then argued where it would count; in court. The people you are appealing to have no understanding of how the legal system in this country works.
@derrickjac First off; Kenney had a $150. Hi Tek .45acp pistol. Glock's were already well over $500. back then. Secondly: Many people from towns immediately above the notch were leery if not frightened of Mckay. Kenney was rightfully frightened of Mckay because Mckay had harassed, bullied, assaulted & in general terrified Kenney.If the next time you feel like murdering somebody, that person has repeatedly harassed & assaulted you. In NH you'll have the legal right to defend yourself from harm
I have read into this case and I understand they had a bit of a hometown feud going on. Neither Kenney or McKay were saints but Kenney did not have a justification to use deadly force on a police officer. He was pulled over by an officer, failed to cooperate, and regardless of the legality of the stop had a legal obligation to comply with the officer's orders. Shooting him in the back or front makes no difference. He was a police officer performing his duties. Dear god.
@derrickjac The point is that Liko Kenney, contrary to the government bullshit, did not commit cold blooded murder, Caleb thought McKay was going to kill them and that is called SELF DEFENSE.
And the greater responsibility is on the government to get rid of bad cops like McKay who have terrorized the community and his (ex) wife for YEARS upon YEARS.
Not to mention the lies told by AG now Senator Kelly Ayotte.
Let me explain it for you Lucy: It is just another example of my due diligence in reporting. Now when you stop ignoring the more salient facts, like Floyd lying about talking to Liko and shooting straight through the raised window of Caleb, and reloading Liko's gun you might actually learn something.
Salient or not; the facts you mentioned do not posit Floyd as guilty of anything more than tampering with a crime scene after the fact. You are referring to a raised window as if that is a signal of surrender. A window can be shot through. A fogged up or shaded window can be concealment for an attacker. The actions he took were well within the confines of the justifiable homicide. He could have easily rolled the window up then changed his mind about killing Floyd. He was in fact reloading.
@derrickjac You are delusional my friend. The video clearly shows Caleb's window was never down and the bullet in Liko's windshield and placement of the spent casings on the ground I have shown in the State's own crime photos totally contradicts everything you say.
The windows were not fogged up it was a clear May afternoon/evening, 6p. Why don't you try interjecting more facts not in evidence.
Just the facts.
PS: As to mortgage fraud Kelly blew it there too read the new book on FRM Ponzi.
My point with the window was that up or down it simply doesn't matter. Hiding behind windows can be advantageous if it will obscure the other person's view. The driver of that vehicle, who had just gunned down a police officer, still had a firearm and THAT is my point. The position of the window has no relevance to Mr. Floyd's feeling immediately threatened and in fear for his and the downed officer's lives. As far as he was aware, there was an armed assailant in that vehicle capable of firing.
@derrickjac The point is that Liko was TRYING TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET when Floyd started shooting, hence the windshield bullet. Then he and Kelly Ayotte lied about his actions and the window allegedly being down and him talking to Liko.
I have his first two statements home slice, where he says he immediately started shooting. Started shooting a fleeing vehicle, which he is not authorized to do UNDER THE LAW.
You dispute that Kenney hit the officer with his car in the presence of Mr. Floyd? Am I understanding that correctly? This murderer who for all we know could stop 10 feet away form Mr. Floyd, step out, and eliminate his remaining witnesses should have been allowed to get distance between he and the only defense that dying officer had to further attacks? You got a HELL of an interpretation of the law going there man. In the ether.
@derrickjac Damn dude you are so thick. The car struck McKay well AFTER Floyd started shooting at it. Floyd brought all of that to bear when he had no legal right to start shooting, no legal right to lie about it (he also lied about his son's age and that's a FACT) and no legal right for Kelly Ayotte to cover up his actions.
If you think that's legal then YOU are stretching the law.
Just re-read what you JUST wrote. You are saying that Floyd had no right to shoot the man who JUST MOMENTS EARLIER shot a police officer to death in front of them. In the very next sentence you are then bringing up lies to investigators (which is irrelevant to his shooting Kenney being justified) and then implicating Senator Ayotte in yet another detail that is irrelevant to his shooting being justified. I mean your argument is borderline incoherent.
@derrickjac@derrickjac Furthermore I see you neglected to address Bruce McKay violating 7 distinct OC spray and pursuit protocols designed to prevent violent responses. I sued the town and got those. All over a minor violation? Goes like this:
These facts mean that Officer McKay, should he have survived, could have been held accountable for misconduct. But that isn't what this discussion is about is it? It's about whether Mr. Floyd was reasonable in his use of deadly force against Kenney. Any reasonable human being would find that he was. This kid murdered an officer and for all he knew, he was next. Not employing pepper spray correctly or following pursuit protocol does not mean the whole stop is invalid.
@derrickjac If you dig into this saga you will see that there was bad blood beween the two of them and this cop would often pull him over without any probable cause basically harassing the hell out of him. Kenny was attacked with the mace and had every right to self defense. The only problem I have is that he should've shot the cop in the front of his body rather than the back. If the actors survived this and it went to trial, I doubt the cop would've won. The whole town thought he was a bully.
(3) Officer shall not attempt to overtake a fleeing vehicle.
(4) Officers may not intentionally use their vehicle to bump or ram the suspect's vehicle in order to force the vehicle to stop or to be pushed into a ditch.
Pursuit shall be immediately terminated in any of the following circumstances:
(E) The suspects identity has been established to the point that later apprehension can be accomplished, and there is no longer any need for immediate apprehension.
@derrickjac They are designed to prevent violent responses, DUH.
Use of Chemical Agents
II. Nondeadly
C (5) In all situations involving use of chemical agents, suspects should be given adequate warning of their imminent use and should be afforded time to respond to lawful commands
Further, he had no obligation whatsoever to warn Liko that he was going to shoot him if he didn't drop the weapon. There is no such requirement for deadly force as deadly force is only supposed to be applied when there is an immediate fear for your own or somebody else's life or limb. I wonder what exactly meets the criteria for justifiable homicide in your book. It clearly does not match that of any state's laws.
Floyd's threats in the past have no relevance to his actions during shooting except that he probably has a proficiency with handguns. Any felonies involving drug possession again have no relevance. Character assassination is not a proper form of argument.
@derrickjac It is his threats before and after as well as his threats to Caleb and his lies that put it all together. It's ok. You're wrong. Accept it.
He threatened to shoot Caleb because he was in the car with a person who had just murdered a police officer and was quite obviously interested in upping the body count. Is that the threat to which you are referring?
If you look at any police training all over this country they prescribe pretty much the same action. All subjects are to be removed and treated as potential threats until otherwise determined.
Kenney could be fleeing and be killing anybody in his way which, judging from his actions on the video camera, he was obviously willing to do. Floyd was no doubt in fear for his life, the life of his son, and the officer that laid dying right near him. Floyd may be a NRA, Tea Party, Yosemite Sam but his actions were those of a person in immediate fear for his life and those around him.
Floyd's tampering with the crime scene is not relevant to his actions proximate to Kenney's death. Kenney was an active threat, still in the car and concealed from view in possession of a weapon, and literally moments after he had just gunned down a police officer. By any reasonable interpretation of the law Floyd was absolutely within his rights. Officer McKay may very well have violated policy but that isn't relevant either to Floyd or Kenney. Kenney could have sued the dept if he wanted.
Okay Stevie: 1) I get you now, Google shows nearly 2,500 results for your user name since Feb. 2011. I read many of your comments, from alternative energy, religion, global warming, amateur wannabe physics,pro-life etc.Every one of your comments is a put-down or an attempt at portraying yourself as intellectually superior to others.I'd guess your a H.S. senior or recent university student & it's looking like your location is probably Europe.You have absolutely no connection to the events that
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy occurred in Franconia.You made no previous comments supporting law enforcement, crime/capital punishment or related topics.Your all about looking knowledgeable regarding current scientific topics 101 & you enjoy harassing the guys at MIT but they put you in your place pretty good.You whine about abortion, yet you hope that the police kill me because I don't support the Gestapo behavior of a single "Rogue Cop". Go back to LankaEuro Tube & don't bother Trolling back here!
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Wow, 2500 eh? I AM intellectually
superior to lots of others, but that shouldn't make any
difference to you unless you are sensitive about
thinking you're inferior. I Am a physicist. Deal with it.
Nobody at "MIT" disagreed with me, they were taught
precisely what I was taught.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy I don't care if McKay was
a psycho, the way you deal with a psycho with a badge
is to say "yes sir, no sir", and you deal with the issues
of his fitness some OTHER place, some OTHER time,
some OTHER way than to resist arrest using a moving
vehicle and shooting him. Otherwise you're just a guilty
criminal who wound up with a psycho cop, in which case
nobody is going to give a shit about you.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
I don't justify what he said as far as you getting popped but you aren't just "unsupportive" of his behavior, you JUSTIFY Kenney's behavior. You also criticize the bystander who stopped this murderer before he could do any more damage.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@derrickjac What do you mean by "as far as you getting popped". I never said I approved of Liko Kenney shooting officer Mckay. I stated that I believed Kenney was terrified of Mckay & that I don't believe Kenney would've been charged or convicted of murder. Manslaughter? Yes, there's no doubt Kenney should've been serving a prison sentence for killing officer Mckay. Floyd is the biggest piece of shit in the north country, I'm surprised nobodies yet killed Floyd in self defense. Floyd a sick nut-
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
I was referring to what Rsteve had said.
You called the officer an enraged sociopath and the kid an idealist so you'll have to forgive me. People are calling Floyd a murderer on this thread and not giving him the same consideration as their apparent hero, Liko Kenney. If Liko Kenney committed manslaughter (which IMO isn't met), then Floyd subsequently shooting him dead is justified. Being pulled over repeatedly by police and being subdued by force is NOT provocation under law.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy from Mass, had multiple felony convictions before he ever moved here. Floyd gets off by threatening to kill women, teenagers & school officials. Floyd is an enraged cowardly POS who never had the balls to threaten or start a fight with a grown man. His Skank Ass wife is a perfect match for him & their son Lil Floyd is turning out to be a thieving felonious lump off the old POS block. Neither Mckay or Kenney deserved to die the way they did but I'm not surprised Mckay died on duty
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Nobody here is saying build the guy a goddamned statue. We're taking issue with him being portrayed as a murderer.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@derrickjac Are you from the north country & do you know anything about Greg Floyd? If not, then your ignorantly supportive of a life long violent felon. Had an honest law abiding citizen made the choice to take possession of & fire officer Mckay's weapon, then I'd have little reason to criticize that person. Floyd immediately fired at the car using Mckays weapon, that caused Kenney to drive over Mckay's body in an attempt to escape Floyd. Floyd's could've blocked the exit & radioed for help
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
Not being from your neck of the woods does not preclude me from commenting on the factors of this incident. Floyd may well be a life long violent felon for all I know. His actions that day were both reasonable and justified given the circumstances. What many people are forgetting is that this is an individual who was thrust onto them a sudden and explosively violent scenario where he had to think and act fast. Trust me, seeing someone shot to death is horrific and jarring.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy And as far as the law goes, it doesn't matter what his vices or prior crimes are. What were his actions IN THE MOMENT and were they REASONABLE.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy When are you going to learn that it does not matter what happened prior to the fateful pull over, or even the pull over itself. McKay sprayed Liko and non chalanty (and foolishly) lumbered away. McKay didn't jump out with his gun drawn. McKay did not try to pull him out and beat him down. McKay gave him a good does of spray and walked away. Liko is the one who fired FAR MORE BULLETS THAN NECESSARY to defend himself, and in doing so became a cold blooded murdered than defendant.
codylong1980 3 weeks ago
@codylong1980 Floyd is no better than Liko. Both are shitbags, plain and simple. But I find it absurd that Liko actually has supporters for MURDERING someone, yet Floyd who in turn MURDERED the MURDERER is somehow more vilified in this ordeal. Only in America. Geeeeez!
codylong1980 3 weeks ago
@70scarrestoguy Word man, word. We are going to Keep it Real up in here.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
Classic ad hominem. Nice.
derrickjac 1 month ago
BOOM! HEADSHOT LOSER!
pdxyota 1 month ago
@pdxyota Clearly no intelligible life coming from you. Headshot right back at you MF (my friend)
19 DECEMBER 2011
Read the Affidavits in Liko Kenney v. Franconia, Norman Bruce McKay, Greg Floyd et al. 2010-CV-181 as World interest rises for the Dorothy Aufiero/Casey Sherman "Bad Blood: Freedom and Death in the White Mountains" movie.
Later.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@KingCast65 I just finished reading the book last week and I am haunted by this story...really.
VenusBlue4u 1 month ago
@VenusBlue4u It's even worse when you read the actual complaints and other docs....
03 FEBRUARY 2011
Drinking liberally knows Kelly Ayotte is a "Horrible, horrible person," The Fighter and Bad Blood movie producer Dorothy Aufiero takes note.
READ THE 20 DECEMBER LAWSUIT UPDATES WITH AFFIDAVITS AND MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT RIGHT HERE.
Peace.
KingCast65 1 month ago
A threat to an officer is a threat to everyone. He'd shot the officer,
for that alone fleeing and not responding to a demand that he stop
he deserved to be killed by ANYONE in order to stop him. I saw
the previous videos of traffic stops by this suspect and that officer,
and I neither saw nor heard anything unprofessional by the officer,
and Kenney had a deep problem with any authority whatsoever.
Children with that problem should be killed before they're big enough
to hurt other people.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom You have no idea what you are talking about, Liko Kenney was rightfully scared for his life, that cop had abused and threatened people for years, so much so that a selectman said he felt responsible for the deaths because so many complaints against McKay went ignored. Not to mention the coverup. Get a law degree and some common sense then we can talk.
Later.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@KingCast65 Nonsense. You don't carry a gun in a car
to shoot police with if you're sane. You do not resist
following an officer's direction when stopped. if you do
you are placing a man trying to do the job he was hired
for as a servant of the people in danger for his life, and
he should respond accordingly. You do not refuse to be
stopped.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@KingCast65 Every cop that was any good that I've ever heard
of had a list of sociopaths who thought they were the devil,
people who have no respect for established authority and
the power of the democracy to keep them in line. If he had
followed the officers instructions he would not have been killed.
Further he is guilty for two murders by law, the officers AND
his own, for causing it. He had no reason to fear an officer
whom he obeys.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@KingCast65 If you're one of those insane cranks who
thinks we shouldn't have to obey anybody, then I hope they
shoot you too.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom Well asshole, actually I am a former LE Attorney. Have a nice day.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@KingCast65 Claims made on YouTube are invalid,
because nobody can be expected to believe them.
And it doesn't mean you're not an asshole anyway.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom Whatever asshole you can see me in court on YouTube if you want to, I was just answering your question, got it?
Good.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@KingCast65 Judge Judy maybe.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom Whatever dude. Have a nice day I'm out for a ride, great temps here in Boston, sun shining, all of that.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom You can't believe a bushel could have 1 bad apple or you wont publicly admit that a police officer could've been ill-suited to wear the badge. Ever hear the phrase; I'm not the problem, it's everybody else whose the problem. That phrase very accurately describes the dynamics of Bruce Mckay's relationship with the people of the Franconia area. Don't you wonder why Mckay was prohibited from responding to Lisbon police assistance calls? Lisbon labeled him a danger to the community
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom
And oh yeah, other LE who worked with McKay warned his superiors that he should be fired because he was a threat to himself, the department and the community. Google "KingCast + read the affidavits."
KingCast65 1 month ago 3
@KingCast65 If you think an officer was out of line,
you do NOT pursue it in the field, where he must be
given all benefit of doubt, you take it to court or review
board. If you stick up for what you THINK are your
rights against armed force, then you're an idiot. The
kid that was killed was sociopathic, I've seen that kind
all my life, people who can't stand to be told no. They
are usually severely abused by their parents or else
their brain chemistry is screwed up.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom I don't know which police state you live in, but NH police don't have the right to harrass, physically assault or terrorize citizens.That's probably legal or acceptable in Mass, Conn, RI, New York & many other states but it's a violation in NH. We don't need enraged cops harassing peaceful motorcycle clubs.We don't need 3 cops beating up a young guy with a gimpy neck, nor do we need your assessment that we're idiots for sticking up for our state guaranteed rights.Obviously -
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy 2) the armed force in this case was unfit to public service.There was nothing wrong with the brain chemistry of the so-called sociopath kid but he was dyslexic.He maybe smoked a little marijuana occasionally & he had somewhat an idealistic perspective upon life in general.No known parental abuse but his aunt was being a money grubbing bitch over a property dispute.The killed officer was much more an enraged sociopath than the idealistic young guy ever would've been.He's not-
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy representative of the majority of cops, nobody is going to judge an entire bushel bad because of a single unfit apple.Do a little research, check the facts before you make a jackass of yourself mouthing off about circumstances you've no idea.Ask anybody who knew these people what they thought of them before this incident.The kid was a kind, good hearted person whereas the cop was known as a women beater.A bully with a badge, known for threatening citizens & had a list of com-
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@70scarrestoguy 4) plaints against him.I once received a verbal warning for going 5-mph over.He was known as an angry, moody person, sometimes with violent outbursts.He was the "Women,children & small animals" type of tough guy, a Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde with a badge.The police chief should've put him behind a desk pending a psychological evaluation & told him to leave his personal problems at home.BTW The cops wife had a restraining order against him earlier.Too bad Kenney didn't get one too.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Of course not, but in the field against
armed officers who haven't the power to adjudicate the
disagreement one way or the other anyway is certainly
not the place to pursue anything. If Kenney had been
polite to start with, even if he had to shut his mouth and
accept abuse, he wouldn't be dead. His problem was with
the concept of authority, and people who have that problem
have borderline personality disorder, a psychopathology.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
And any officer that confronts someone in the field who won't
behave can be excused for virtually any violence against them
to enforce obedience. Sorry if you don't like that, but officers
deserve that leeway when they are forced to confront the chance
of death at the hands of the people they stop daily.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy im 100% with you, this guy was a bully, no if ands or buts
snke001 1 month ago
@KingCast65 It doesn't matter
what another officer thought, the kid's actions were
felonious independent of that.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom 1)Which actions were you referring to? The actions of a terrified young man, initially pulled over for a registration plate sticker violation by an officer who was warned not to have any contact with Kenney by his superiors.The actions of Kenney initially pulling over, only to sit in his car for several minutes not knowing why he was being stopped.Mckay could've approached the passengers window & informed them another officer would soon be there to write the ticket.Mckay wanted
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy 2)to escalate the situation to where he could assault & vent his rage against Kenney.I'd have the back of any other police officer but Mckay was unfit for law enforcement & a disgrace to the badge.The incident wasn't typical because Mckay wasn't the typical officer & in no way was he a reflection of law enforcement in general.Mckay's actions led to Kenney's felonious action of manslaughter & Kenney would've spent several years in prison had Floyd (real criminal) not executed him.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy ur right, Floyd has no right to kill Kenney. Floyd had every way possible to flee without fighting
snke001 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy He was criminally attempting to escape
from the officer's blocking maneuver after fleeing to avoid
arrest. They usually just shoot them at that point rather than
risk other people's lives in a further extended chase. You
don't get to pick which officer to talk to, are you nuts?
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom From an officer whom the chief prohibited him from having contact with Liko Kenney.Mckay should've informed them, either over the loud speaker or by approaching the passengers window, that another officer would be there shortly to write the ticket.You obviously know very little regarding the conflicts between officer Mckay & many citizens in Franconia, Bethlehem, Easton, Sugar Hill & Lisbon.Why do you think Mckay was prohibited from offering assistance to Lisbon? An angry NUT!
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy It wasn't Kenney's business to think
of what the officer might have done or should have done.
When an officer stops you and you resist the stop and
then when stopped try again to flee, and then possessing
or firing a loaded weapon from a car, Kenney lost his
right to keep breathing. That's a serious felony in and of
itself, and stopping that person is required, using any force.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy You're obviously from among a group of his friends whose
personal feelings for him have clouded and corrupted your
judgment and your allegiances to the law and the truth.
I read the record, and I saw an officer with a few people
who didn't like him, and I have seldom heard of an officer
in any police force for whom that is not true.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom Don't bother labeling me as a friend or sympathiser of Liko Kenney.I never met Kenney but the entire North Country had heard of officer Mckay's bizarre conduct.Everybody up there knew the entire incident could've been avoided if Mckay's superiors & the Town Of Franconia had removed him from police duty.That's the basis for the comments I've posted.The lack of action by Franconia officials allowed Mckay to endanger the community while shielded by the badge he disgraced.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Okay, I won't label you as anything but a
person with a pathological problem with authority like unto
that which got Kenney killed. If there is a nutso officer out
there and you might get stopped by him again, you don't
carry a gun, you say yes sir, no sir, and you be real polite
so that he doesn't have an opportunity to act nutso on you
again, and if you think he's crazy you take it up with others
who CAN make a difference in another place and time.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom dude u are retarded, the chief, the town gave Mckay ORDERS not to bother Kenney, if you want to yell at anyone yell at the dumb town and chief for even deciding to do that
snke001 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy you
do NOT try to flee arrest, and you do not try to back up and
run away when an officer stops you, and you do NOT EVER
take a loaded gun in a car or shoot at officers, that's a quick
trip to the electric chair!!! If you're not actually STUPID and
CRIMINAL, then you don't EVER DO THAT! And if you really
ARE that stupid and vicious then I HOPE some officer *IS*
crazy enough to shoot you down like a dog in the road!!
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom Dude the U.S. doesn't use the electric chair any longer but I wish I could've seen Theodore Bundy jerk back & forth as he was toasted. In NH; It's legal to carry a loaded weapon within a motor vehicle, you need to have a $10. shall issue LTC permit. I'd never want to shoot at anybody but if somebody was attempting to murder me, I'd definitely return fire. Aim center mass (heart, lungs & CNS) & keep on firing until the attacker hits the floor. Go Troll elsewhere
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
and if you don't believe ME as to the public desire to see people
like that dead, then just look at the county and how it responded
to the last shooter's brave actions in killing Kenney!! Then ask
yourself, is your notion of right and wrong realistic if this many
people hate people like you and don't care if somebody shoots
you!!!! You figure it out on your own!! Kenney didn't, and he's
dead!! And I and millions of other people LIKED that fact!!
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy If officers have to endure jerk-offs like
you and Kenney, then they have a perfectly good reason
to go nuts on your kind of people, it's the only good way
to deal with you, and I hope they kill MORE of you!!
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy In fact from
reading their complaints, they seemed to be partisan and
without merit, always involving some act they should not
have been engaged in. And I do not in the record read
any direct prohibition upon the officer other than a simple
recommendation that he MIGHT wish to call another officer
to a scene, if it seems useful. Sorry, but they do not send
officers into the field that they are not satisfied they can,
on their own, do the job required of them.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Because of your
feelings for this relative of a sports star, a big deal in small
incestuously corrupted towns, you have abandoned all
reason in this regard and are sticking up for a felonious
criminal.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom Your obviously not from the area, you don't know what went on here.We know an insubordinate officer incapable of controlling his personal rage, unleashed the fury his dysfunctional personal life caused him upon the citizens of towns above the notch.I'm not going to get suckered into arguing with an uninformed supporter of an unfit police officer.Read the lawsuit against Franconia, Mckay & Floyd.Read how selectmen said they felt responsible Mckay wasn't removed from service.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Exactly. And you are right about ignoring trolls but we still need to keep the Truth set forth.... while remembering the fact that if you argue with a jackass for too long it becomes difficult tell who is whom.
Peace.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom
These guys will stop at nothing to excuse this cop killer from exercising this fictitious right to murder. They haven't listened to one bit of evidence supporting that Liko Kenney acted outside the realm of reason. They think that if you shoot someone immediately after they murder a police officer, you are guilty of murder. It's lunacy. At the heart of this are several people wanting to make money off made up controversy. It's absolutely disgusting.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@derrickjac Nobody said Kenney had the right to kill but no prosecutor would've charged murder.After hearing the facts, no jury would've convicted Kenney of murder but definitely would've convicted Kenney of manslaughter.Your obviously not from around here & you don't know who Kenney or Mckay were.I don't care that you blindly or ignorantly support 100%, a cop who was unfit for public service & a disgrace to law enforcement. Go Troll somewhere else, maybe you can cry over NH open carry rights.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
You are saying a prosecutor would consider unfounded reports of police abuse and a preexisting relationship between a cop and a person in the community as a basis to say Kenney is guilty of manslaughter versus murder? You are off your rocker. McKay was still an acting officer and Kenney could have pulled over and received a ticket. Instead he ran and was going to be arrested for that, and probably for possessing a firearm in the cab of his car.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom if u do research on this specific case, the officer was instructed that he could not personally deal with Mr. Kenney. This was the town councils decision
snke001 1 month ago
@snke001 Everybody from unbiased sources says that
isn't true, and that distortion is only found among Kenney
supporters. It would be a violation of an officers oath to
even order him not to arrest someone, courts have standing
orders against chiefs giving those kind of direction because
if an officer is not fit for every duty then he shouldn't be on
the street at all. Each sworn officer is his own boss on the
street, he has to be, micro-management costs lives.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom You hit the nail dead center with the sentence "if an officer is not fit for every duty then he shouldn't be on the street at all". Other police officers, a Franconia Selectman & probably around 5 percent of town citizens said Bruce McKay was a danger to the public. Nobodies implying that police officers are bad but Bruce McKay's temperament & outbursts of rage made him ill-suited to enforce the laws of New Hampshire.The guy just didn't fit in & some people didn't like him
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy I will even agree with you that McKay
was cracked for the purposes of argument. It STILL
doesn't make any difference. You do not deal with that
fact by resisting arrest, you say "yes sir, no sir" and
you suck up to him because he has a badge and a
gun and you're not a dumb shit.
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy nd if you have issues
with his fitness for duty you take care of them in front
of people who can do something about that, some other
place, some other time, and you do NOT resist arrest
using a vehicle and you do NOT shoot the officer, or
else whatever McKay was, nobody is going to care what'
happens to you!
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@snke001
As restevewarmory said, he can be advised that it would be best to have another officer deal with him but forced? He was a police officer and he had the legal requirement that he enforce the law that he witnessed being broken; to wit an expired reg tag.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@rstevewarmorycom um the officer wasnt trying to block him. that is obviously Kenney had several ways to drive away from the cop car, the officer was just trying to intimidate him!!
snke001 1 month ago
@snke001 Positioning your car in front of him and
backing up when he tries to turn out and leave is the
accepted blocking method. And yes, I hope the
officer was trying to intimidate someone who was
fleeing!!
rstevewarmorycom 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy ur good man, lol im glad ur on here!
snke001 1 month ago
@KingCast65 your 100% right
snke001 1 month ago
Floyd's history of violence along with him EXECUTING Liko Kenney should have been punishable by law. Floyd shot him twice, in the head and in the neck. Once would have been enough, anything else suggest an execution. Floyd had at least two felonies against him. They also found 22 different kinds of pain pills in his system after the shooting.
VenusBlue4u 1 month ago
@VenusBlue4u Exactly. And there is much more that Kelly Ayotte hid. Cut paste and Google:
03 FEBRUARY 2011
Drinking liberally knows Kelly Ayotte is a "Horrible, horrible person," The Fighter and Bad Blood movie producer Dorothy Aufiero takes note.
01 JANUARY 2011
Operation Gregory Floyd: Re-establishing the fact that NH AG cum U.S. Senator Kelly Ayotte covered up Gregory Floyd's lies and criminal history after he murdered Liko Kenney, IMO.
Peace.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@KingCast65 And I cannot believe since this has happend Kelly Ayotte is now a US Senator, good god!
VenusBlue4u 1 month ago
@VenusBlue4u Floyd fired at least 4 shots, many people believe the 4th shot was aimed at silencing Caleb.After initially being shot in the neck, Kenney's head was slumping towards Caleb when Floyd fired again.I believe Floyd was aiming at Caleb, Kenneys head slumped forwards as Floyd fired at Caleb but the bullet struck Kenney in the head.Floyd was attempting to murder the witness but he became aware of other witnesses & instead altered the evidence & rolled the dice he'd get away with murder.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@VenusBlue4u
The best evidence thus far was that he shot an armed and dangerous murderer who was in the commission of a felony. At most it's a suicide if we're calling it anything other than justifiable homicide. Pills, alcohol, other drugs or not; the shooting was good and clear.
derrickjac 1 month ago
Perhaps there could have been a ruling on that. We'll never know now because Liko decided to drive around strapped that day. I don't care if an asshole cop blows OC in a person's face with no cause whatsoever, it is no justification for deadly force on that officer. A lawsuit, yes. Termination, yes. Shooting him, fuck no. As for Floyd; he did what any reasonable person would do by shooting Liko. His unreasonable actions (tampering, lying, whathaveyou) were deemed unworthy of prosecution.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@derrickjac Dude the town and police had seen dozens of complaints against McKay and IGNORED them, even when valid. And as for Kelly Ayotte's complete cover up of the situation, you praise her for it and offer no substantive response to the facts (windshield bullet, placement of casings, etc.) so thanks for coming out, door prizes are on the left.
Happy New Year.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@KingCast65 Casing locations, glass placement, etc don't hold any weight in a situation like this. Unless he dragged Kenney out onto the dirt and executed him, you have no cause to call Floyd a murderer. I don't praise anybody for covering up anything. You are talking about conspiracies, not me. I'm saying Floyd's behavior post-shooting at the scene is not worthy of prosecution. Lots of crimes aren't punished. Ever heard of IOJ? What furtherance of justice is accomplished by prosecuting him?
derrickjac 1 month ago
@derrickjac
Happy New Year.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@derrickjac 1) What about when that POS Floyd executed Kenney & denied the state of NH the ability to conduct a trial? That would've been in Littleton District Court, I doubt the prosecutor would've charged 1st or 2nd degree murder.If he had, Kenney probably would've walked away "Scott Free".They would've charged manslaughter & easily received a conviction.Many people believe that Kenney drove over Mckay's body trying to escape Floyd, who had shot at them through the windshield base.Then Floyd
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy fired through the car side window, striking Kenney in the head & neck with 2 bullets.I wonder if Floyd was aiming to silence Caleb with the 2nd shot but instead struck Kenney in the head as his head moved forward.No much hope now but Floyd should be in prison for 2nd degree murder & several other charges.Floyd is a worse person than Carl Drega & it's only a matter of time until he murders again.Sure hope he runs out of time before the north country becomes victim of more tragedy.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@derrickjac 1) Are you saying that somebody who drives around "strapped" is a problem?Because half the people in NH, including myself, are licensed to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.Pretty much the only people who are unarmed are non-violent criminals & underage persons.The facts of that incident are that a public servant, a bully with rage issues, often ignored police regulations.I don't condone a terrified person shooting a police officer but I can see why Kenney feared for his -
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy personal safety.At the 2003 incident,which Mckay was deemed to be out of line & charges were dismissed, Mckay & 2 other officers attacked Kenney.Kenney informed them that he had a cervical spine injury but the three of them attacked him as though they were attempting to cripple Kenney.I heard a man by name of Cowles comment to McKay "your a real tough guy with women & children huh?", to which half the store patrons chuckled aloud.Kenney would've been guilty of manslaughter had-
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy Floyd not illegally executed him.I would've been very interested to observe a trial of State VS Kenney but the drugged out, murderous POS Floyd stole justice from NH.Many people believe Floyd was also shooting at Caleb, in order to silence the witness & then threatened Caleb repeatedly after he realized witnesses were present.Floyd did prevent his son(also a witness) from giving a statement to police at the crime scene.Kenney = manslaughter & Floyd = 2nd degree murder & more
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy
Driving around with a readily accessible loaded firearm in the cab of your car is a problem when you're driving on expired reg tags and have had prior problems with the police. The facts are that McKay was still an acting police officer, had not been sued to any avail, had not been ruled out of line in dealing with Kenney previously, and was murdered in every sense of the word by this young man. Greg Floyd, all flaws notwithstanding, was well within his legal rights to end this.
derrickjac 1 month ago
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70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@derrickjac I thought Kenney's prior problems with the police were dismissed from court. As far as I knew, Kenney wasn't a convicted felon & was legally in possession of his pistol.I don't think the aspect of Kenney's registration plate decal being expired was a felony or a misdemeanor, I believe that would've been a violation & punishable by a small to moderate fine.Kenney definitely killed Mckay but I'd hardly call the circumstances murder, had he survived, no prosecutor would've charged-
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy 2)Kenney with capital murder or 2nd degree murder.Kenney would've walked free had a jury learned of Mckay's constant harassment & incidents of assault against Kenney.Any competent defense counsel could've introduced evidence of multiple complaints against officer Mckay.State Police, Franconia & Sugar Hill officers warned that Mckay was a danger "Rogue Cop" to the community.Mckay was barred from responding to Lisbon assistance calls because he was a danger to their citizens.Were-
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy 3) I a member of an informed jury, serving on the trial that never occurred, (because Floyd stole justice from NH), I'd have voted to acquit for murder.I'd have voted guilty of manslaughter all day long & voted for a severe punishment.I don't hate police officers, I'm not trying to "excuse a cop killer" of responsibility.We can all thank that POS Floyd for robbing NH of justice, I don't know how Floyd's son(also a thieving criminal) can look at his father knowing his father made-
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy him complicit to a murder for revenge.I guess it's true about the apple & the tree.I'm glad that Floyd's bizarre, felonious attempt at being the Hero was futile & that we all saw him as adding murder to his long list o character defects.Lil Floyd's a thieving chip off the old block.It's ironic that old Floyd was from Townsend Mass, not far from where Daniel Laplante (triple murderer) had lived.Must be the water down there.I hope Floyd isn't buried in NH, we've already enough shit
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@70scarrestoguy give it a rest man ur hogging the comments
snke001 1 month ago
@derrickjac Greg Floyd is a mentally incompetent convicted felon, probably a criminal from the day he went to school.I'd be curious to see if Massachusetts has a mile long juvenile record that's similar to his adult record.It's no wonder that Lil Floyd is following in Daddy's footsteps, he'll go on a spree after Old Floyd kicks the bucket.I'm not wishing it upon Lil Floyd but he'll end up in prison or the morgue soon enough.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
Fuck Liko
tkashola 2 months ago
@tkashola
I wish I had an intelligence screen on this page to ferret out idiots like you.
KingCast65 2 months ago
What would you do? Accuse him of murder too?
derrickjac 2 months ago
@KingCast65 It's easier to ignore the Trolls, retorting a Troll is akin to feeding Hyenas at the zoo.
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
@tkashola children shouldn't speak
snke001 2 months ago
Kenney shot that officer because he knew his life was over because he had a goddamned .45 Glock in his car. He would be sent to prison for that. Caleb thought the cop was going to murder them on dash cam. Ok. Next time I feel like murdering someone I'll just claim they hated me and I thought they were going to kill me. Wow. You should have your ability to practice law revoked. You need to go read about what constitutes self defense and justifiable homicide.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Claims he hated him? Asshole why don't you read the goddamn affidavit from former Franconia LE Bradford Whipple on my journal page when he says Sgt. Mark Taylor (McKay's superior) knew McKay "had it out" for Liko. So fuck you, and shut the fuck up you are way out of your league.
KingCast65 2 months ago
Rawr. Are you this mouthy in legal session?
Better question actually. Do you know what heresay is and why it results in unacceptable testimony? I'll leave you to that.
Bradford Whipple again claims the officer had it out. I don't care if he had it out. That should have been the basis for a lawsuit against the officer if it was true. He could've advised Liko seek counsel. You could've represented him with all your legal prowess.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Oh I am quite aware of the rules of Hearsay, are you aware now that this is not yet trial time and that this is an Affidavit. The better question is what basis do you have to doubt the Affidavit for when Sgt. Taylor is called in as a witness, ahem.
And of course the portion of Brad Whipple's observation that McKay was unfit is not hearsay, right?
Basis for lawsuit, of course it would have been, so too would many other citizen complaints that went IGNORED.
KingCast65 2 months ago
I know what affidavits are. I also know people lie, mischaracterize, misconstrue, and leave out details in them. They are simply statements that can be read into the court record. The veracity of them depends on numerous factors. People may express all sorts of interpretations and emotions in a sworn statement that may or may not support an assertion in legal proceedings. It doesn't help that Officer McKay is deceased and unable to defend himself.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Same for Liko Kenney dude. And no you have no reason to doubt Brad or the firefighters or the TRO by McKay's wife or the woman who said McKay pointed a knife at her privates. Great guy.
At least no woman ever claimed that Liko terrorized or threatened her, and that's something Greg Floyd and your little hero Bruce McKay could never say. And if you'll threaten a woman or put your wife in a safe house you'll do anything.
See ya.
PS: And that ain't hearsay buddy, those are FACTS.
KingCast65 2 months ago
I'll summarize this. Liko Kenney may have been a nice young man with mental problems. McKay may have very well been a terrible cop. Greg Floyd for all anybody knows could have been an Aryan Nation white supremacist but during that incident Kenney did not have 1. A reason for having a .45 Glock in his possession in that car within arms reach and 2. Did not have a proper justification for shooting and killing McKay.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Again:
The point is that Liko Kenney, contrary to the government bullshit, did not commit cold blooded murder, Caleb thought McKay was going to kill them and that is called SELF DEFENSE.
And the greater responsibility is on the government to get rid of bad cops like McKay who have terrorized the community and his (ex) wife for YEARS upon YEARS.
Not to mention the lies told by AG now Senator Kelly Ayotte.
KingCast65 2 months ago
@derrickjac Nah, I used my legal prowess on prior occasion to have bad cops found to have made my client a victim of violent crime. This time I used it to help defeat BOTH Bruce McKay Highway bills.
Think about that. It says a lot about when kind of cop you are when the legislature will NOT name a road after you even though you were shot (allegedly) in the line of duty. When you are a rogue cop, sometimes you get shot.
Brad Whipple, who worked with McKay said he was a rogue. Not hearsay.
KingCast65 2 months ago
You have to be a saint or rich man to have your name bestowed upon a highway. You aren't impressing me with this. Nobody is clean, not even you. Domestic quarrels, drugs, high profile embarrassments. It all counts until the day you die. You defend cop killers even after they've been buried because you have a problem with authority. When you are an idiot lawyer, sometimes you chase ambulances (or lawsuits against cities).
Brad Whipple says, so it must be true? Give me a friggen break lol.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac No you don't, give me a break you fool. There are roads all over NH and in the Country named after falled police officers. I do not have a problem with authority and as I already told you, go back to the beginning of my coverage to see that I had no horse in this race, until I investigated.
You ignore Brad Whipple, you ignore the firefighters, you ignore the TRO by McKay's wife and the woman who got a knife pointed at her privates by McKay.
Bruce McKay had a problem with authority.
KingCast65 2 months ago
@derrickjac Give me a break where is your GF I've got some Bruce McKay stunts for her.
KingCast65 2 months ago
I find it hard to believe you are 46 years old in spite of all of this evidence to the contrary. I'm sure if I dug around your life I could find someone to fill out an affidavit confirming you are in fact the maturity of a 15 year old.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac I think anyone who sees a pregnant woman move out around the time of childbirth and get a TRO while calling it a little domestic squabble needs a maturity adjustment, ahem.
I do look younger than my 45 years in this video though:
NH SB154 Bruce McKay Highway vote no #1__ Christopher King_KingCast
See ya.
KingCast65 2 months ago
Cops have very high divorce rates. People sling insults and aggressive behavior toward each other and BANG a TRO is issued. TRO's might as well be dispensed by vending machines in court lobbies. TRO's can be issued for seemingly innocent behavior like a spouse trying to apologize to another without their desire to receive phone calls or any contact from them.
Again...I'm not saying he was a saint, but using this TRO issue to establish character is laughable.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac The only think laughable aside from your thinly-veiled and baseless contempt for Bradford Whipple is your continued attempts to isolate everything instead of looking at the composite, full picture of Bruce McKay.
Do you also doubt what former Selectman Carl Belz said about McKay being "out of control" and no one policing the police, or does he have a problem with authority too?
Laughable.... you are the joke, whomever you are.
KingCast65 2 months ago
I'm sure Whipple is a fine person. His personal beliefs about the relationship between McKay and Kenney are speculative. They just don't hold weight.
Belz is voicing a concern, not a fact. What does all of that have to do with this shooting? McKay pulled Kenney over for speeding, which became an evading an officer, which became a shooting of a police officer in the commission of his duties. Sounds like Kenney was out of control to me. Carrying a .45 Glock in arms reach in his car.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Bradford Whipple could be a horses ass as a person, I don't care. I am talking about his EXPERIENCE as an area police officer, which you were not. And unless you believe he is lying about his communications with Sgt. Taylor I suggest you sit down and shut up.
As to Carl Belz, he is voicing his opinion as an elected official, based on complaints he reviewed, not to mention those that Chief Montminy failed to forward.
You can try to excuse McKay all you want to though, keep it up.
KingCast65 2 months ago
No, you said I had contempt for Whipple. His experience as an officer doesn't tell me the relationship between McKay and Kenney proximate to this shooting. I'm not necessarily saying McKay was a hero or even a good officer. I think you are making inferences from incomplete evidence and THAT is part of my problem. My main and initial problem is you are accusing a man of murder when he shot an armed cop killer in the commission of numerous crimes.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Contempt or whatever you want to call it, call it dismissiveness if you want to but he testified that folks in Haverhill told him McKay was a bad hire and that they fired him, and his DIRECT EXPERIENCE with McKay led him to believe he was a danger to himself, the force and the community. He says so in my videos.
And as far a Floyd goes, he did commit murder, he lied about the circumstances that led to him shooting and Kelly covered it up. Do I need to rehash that to you or what?
KingCast65 2 months ago
@KingCast65 Lying about the circumstances that led up to it, tampering with the crime scene, being a racist a-hole, not donating to charity, and being a generally bad person DOESN'T meet the elements of MURDER. Dear god. This is one big straw-grabbing contest you are conducting here. McKay however poor an officer he may have been did not ask for this. McKay and Floyd are both victims of this maniac's actions. Thank goodness nobody else was hurt. It's a freaking miracle.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac It's a miracle that nobody killed Bruce McKay a long time ago. When you violate protocol specifically designed to prevent violent responses you are likely to get hurt or killed, this is why State Rep Sorg said the Bruce McKay caused his own demise.
You don't like it, take it up with him as you drive down Bruce McKay Highway.
KingCast65 2 months ago
@KingCast65 All of this talk about whether he violated protocol is a red herring. I don't care what a Sorg said. If he wants to know the cause of Bruce McKay's demise it was Liko Kenney, carrying a readily accessible weapon in the cab of his car, not pulling over as commanded, acting belligerent, and finally shooting this officer when he was about to be taken into custody.
I don't really care if he has a highway named after him or not. Doesn't make a difference to me.
derrickjac 1 month ago
@derrickjac You call it a red herring, I call it a Constitutional Violation and rules designed to prevent violent reactions. I don't know what McKay's ex-wife calls it, perhaps you could ask the folks at the safe house where she went because of a little lover's quarrel as you say.
Happy New Year.
KingCast65 1 month ago
@derrickjac This happened in one of the least strictest gun law states in the country. Plus If you do research about this whole thing, the town made an agreement with Kenney that if officer Mckay ever had a legal issue with him, he would call for back-up and have them directly deal with the situation. That's what the camera on the car is for to record what happens.
snke001 2 months ago
@snke001 Are you suggesting it would not be a violation of the law for Kenney to have a handgun readily accessible in the cab of his vehicle as he obviously did?
I've researched enough to determine that Kenney could have pulled over and signed the damn ticket and got on with his life. Instead he gunned a police officer down and suffered the consequences. The camera in this case recorded cold-blooded murder.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@snke001 Not entirely provable about the agreement, I have a copy of the court docs. Nonetheless McKay lied to Liko and told him there was no backup for the situation and told him he would have to deal with him only, when in fact he HAD called for backup. Just more mental and emotional intimidation from a Bad Cop.
KingCast65 1 month ago
Do you know how many complaints officers get in their lifetime. You are lucky to find one in a thousand people who believe they were pulled over, arrested, stopped from doing what they wanted or being where they were at for good reasons. They ALL disagree. Some of them even complain about it. Out of those, it is a truly rare occasion to find officers risk their lives and reputation to jerk someone around.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac I represented LE and sued them. I am very well aware how many complaints they get over their lifetimes and I am very well aware that there are virtually no complaints against other police officers in Franconia, nor have any other police in Franconia been kicked off of other jurisdictions for abusing the system the way McKay was booted out of Lisbon.
And that's not hearsay, that's a fact.
And as far as you knocking Brad Whipple, you have no basis for so doing.
KingCast65 2 months ago
I didn't knock Brad Whipple, I simply stated that his declaring that Officer McKay "had it out" for Liko is his words and not a proven fact. McKay could very well have been simply enforcing the law with Kenney. Upon seeing him flip him off, I'd say he needed a ticket and a visit to court to remind him of the rules of the road. The guy obviously had no idea how to act.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac How I might talk to you and how I present to legislature are two different things. You have shown yourself to be resolutely stubborn in refusing to acknowledge any culpability on the State, so I speak to you as if you are stupid. This is how I address legislature:
NH SB154 Bruce McKay Highway vote no #1__ Christopher King_KingCast
I invoke the ancient Greeks.
Here's more:
NationStar Fraudlent Foreclosure: NH Judiciary Panel considers Impeachment on Judge Wageling.
See ya.
KingCast65 2 months ago
Dear god what have I done. I criticized a lawyer who invokes Greeks.
I am mainly concerned with you calling Greg Floyd a murderer. I don't have much to say as to how the city may or may not have handled an officer who may or may not have been a bad employee.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Plus you make no sense: I might go to jail for having a gun, so I'll shoot a cop instead..... Nah bro, many people in that town feared McKay, I already told you the woman who tried to save his life at her driveway was afraid of him and even a firefighter and his boss wrote to Franconia selectmen "I was in fear of, and still afraid of Bruce McKay, Franconia PD let us down."
And these are men who work for the city, imagine what it's like for a youth.
You are without a clue.
KingCast65 2 months ago
I don't think the gun itself was the issue. A combination of a burning, seething hatred for an officer that he feels wronged him in the past and would certainly send him to jail for a serious crime; absolutely. People snap over way smaller things than that. Kenney could have pulled over and submitted to this officer's orders. He could have then argued where it would count; in court. The people you are appealing to have no understanding of how the legal system in this country works.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac First off; Kenney had a $150. Hi Tek .45acp pistol. Glock's were already well over $500. back then. Secondly: Many people from towns immediately above the notch were leery if not frightened of Mckay. Kenney was rightfully frightened of Mckay because Mckay had harassed, bullied, assaulted & in general terrified Kenney.If the next time you feel like murdering somebody, that person has repeatedly harassed & assaulted you. In NH you'll have the legal right to defend yourself from harm
70scarrestoguy 1 month ago
I have read into this case and I understand they had a bit of a hometown feud going on. Neither Kenney or McKay were saints but Kenney did not have a justification to use deadly force on a police officer. He was pulled over by an officer, failed to cooperate, and regardless of the legality of the stop had a legal obligation to comply with the officer's orders. Shooting him in the back or front makes no difference. He was a police officer performing his duties. Dear god.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac The point is that Liko Kenney, contrary to the government bullshit, did not commit cold blooded murder, Caleb thought McKay was going to kill them and that is called SELF DEFENSE.
And the greater responsibility is on the government to get rid of bad cops like McKay who have terrorized the community and his (ex) wife for YEARS upon YEARS.
Not to mention the lies told by AG now Senator Kelly Ayotte.
KingCast65 2 months ago
Not sure what robocalls have to do with the guilt or innocence of Mr. Floyd in this incident.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac
Let me explain it for you Lucy: It is just another example of my due diligence in reporting. Now when you stop ignoring the more salient facts, like Floyd lying about talking to Liko and shooting straight through the raised window of Caleb, and reloading Liko's gun you might actually learn something.
KingCast65 2 months ago
Salient or not; the facts you mentioned do not posit Floyd as guilty of anything more than tampering with a crime scene after the fact. You are referring to a raised window as if that is a signal of surrender. A window can be shot through. A fogged up or shaded window can be concealment for an attacker. The actions he took were well within the confines of the justifiable homicide. He could have easily rolled the window up then changed his mind about killing Floyd. He was in fact reloading.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac You are delusional my friend. The video clearly shows Caleb's window was never down and the bullet in Liko's windshield and placement of the spent casings on the ground I have shown in the State's own crime photos totally contradicts everything you say.
The windows were not fogged up it was a clear May afternoon/evening, 6p. Why don't you try interjecting more facts not in evidence.
Just the facts.
PS: As to mortgage fraud Kelly blew it there too read the new book on FRM Ponzi.
KingCast65 2 months ago
My point with the window was that up or down it simply doesn't matter. Hiding behind windows can be advantageous if it will obscure the other person's view. The driver of that vehicle, who had just gunned down a police officer, still had a firearm and THAT is my point. The position of the window has no relevance to Mr. Floyd's feeling immediately threatened and in fear for his and the downed officer's lives. As far as he was aware, there was an armed assailant in that vehicle capable of firing.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac The point is that Liko was TRYING TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET when Floyd started shooting, hence the windshield bullet. Then he and Kelly Ayotte lied about his actions and the window allegedly being down and him talking to Liko.
I have his first two statements home slice, where he says he immediately started shooting. Started shooting a fleeing vehicle, which he is not authorized to do UNDER THE LAW.
Focus.
KingCast65 2 months ago
You dispute that Kenney hit the officer with his car in the presence of Mr. Floyd? Am I understanding that correctly? This murderer who for all we know could stop 10 feet away form Mr. Floyd, step out, and eliminate his remaining witnesses should have been allowed to get distance between he and the only defense that dying officer had to further attacks? You got a HELL of an interpretation of the law going there man. In the ether.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac Damn dude you are so thick. The car struck McKay well AFTER Floyd started shooting at it. Floyd brought all of that to bear when he had no legal right to start shooting, no legal right to lie about it (he also lied about his son's age and that's a FACT) and no legal right for Kelly Ayotte to cover up his actions.
If you think that's legal then YOU are stretching the law.
Good night.
KingCast65 2 months ago
Just re-read what you JUST wrote. You are saying that Floyd had no right to shoot the man who JUST MOMENTS EARLIER shot a police officer to death in front of them. In the very next sentence you are then bringing up lies to investigators (which is irrelevant to his shooting Kenney being justified) and then implicating Senator Ayotte in yet another detail that is irrelevant to his shooting being justified. I mean your argument is borderline incoherent.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac @derrickjac Furthermore I see you neglected to address Bruce McKay violating 7 distinct OC spray and pursuit protocols designed to prevent violent responses. I sued the town and got those. All over a minor violation? Goes like this:
KingCast65 2 months ago
These facts mean that Officer McKay, should he have survived, could have been held accountable for misconduct. But that isn't what this discussion is about is it? It's about whether Mr. Floyd was reasonable in his use of deadly force against Kenney. Any reasonable human being would find that he was. This kid murdered an officer and for all he knew, he was next. Not employing pepper spray correctly or following pursuit protocol does not mean the whole stop is invalid.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac If you dig into this saga you will see that there was bad blood beween the two of them and this cop would often pull him over without any probable cause basically harassing the hell out of him. Kenny was attacked with the mace and had every right to self defense. The only problem I have is that he should've shot the cop in the front of his body rather than the back. If the actors survived this and it went to trial, I doubt the cop would've won. The whole town thought he was a bully.
lizard944 2 months ago
@derrickjac Keep ignoring these:
(3) Officer shall not attempt to overtake a fleeing vehicle.
(4) Officers may not intentionally use their vehicle to bump or ram the suspect's vehicle in order to force the vehicle to stop or to be pushed into a ditch.
Pursuit shall be immediately terminated in any of the following circumstances:
(E) The suspects identity has been established to the point that later apprehension can be accomplished, and there is no longer any need for immediate apprehension.
KingCast65 2 months ago
@derrickjac They are designed to prevent violent responses, DUH.
Use of Chemical Agents
II. Nondeadly
C (5) In all situations involving use of chemical agents, suspects should be given adequate warning of their imminent use and should be afforded time to respond to lawful commands
KingCast65 2 months ago
Designed to. This is going to probably blow your mind so get ready for it...
It doesn't always work. :-0
derrickjac 2 months ago
Further, he had no obligation whatsoever to warn Liko that he was going to shoot him if he didn't drop the weapon. There is no such requirement for deadly force as deadly force is only supposed to be applied when there is an immediate fear for your own or somebody else's life or limb. I wonder what exactly meets the criteria for justifiable homicide in your book. It clearly does not match that of any state's laws.
derrickjac 2 months ago
Floyd's threats in the past have no relevance to his actions during shooting except that he probably has a proficiency with handguns. Any felonies involving drug possession again have no relevance. Character assassination is not a proper form of argument.
derrickjac 2 months ago
@derrickjac It is his threats before and after as well as his threats to Caleb and his lies that put it all together. It's ok. You're wrong. Accept it.
KingCast65 2 months ago
He threatened to shoot Caleb because he was in the car with a person who had just murdered a police officer and was quite obviously interested in upping the body count. Is that the threat to which you are referring?
If you look at any police training all over this country they prescribe pretty much the same action. All subjects are to be removed and treated as potential threats until otherwise determined.
derrickjac 2 months ago
Kenney could be fleeing and be killing anybody in his way which, judging from his actions on the video camera, he was obviously willing to do. Floyd was no doubt in fear for his life, the life of his son, and the officer that laid dying right near him. Floyd may be a NRA, Tea Party, Yosemite Sam but his actions were those of a person in immediate fear for his life and those around him.
derrickjac 2 months ago
Floyd's tampering with the crime scene is not relevant to his actions proximate to Kenney's death. Kenney was an active threat, still in the car and concealed from view in possession of a weapon, and literally moments after he had just gunned down a police officer. By any reasonable interpretation of the law Floyd was absolutely within his rights. Officer McKay may very well have violated policy but that isn't relevant either to Floyd or Kenney. Kenney could have sued the dept if he wanted.
derrickjac 2 months ago