There is alot of people like that but one thing for sure is that, formal education is overrated. I'm in my bachelor degree in directing film, I didn't call myself a film director or whatnot. You define yourself of what you capable of. Not by people's words which is unfortunate for dollfacepookie to have that kind of person to be her boss. I have the same problem with my dad, always criticizing everytime I bring out my camera. All I can say is "Keep believing in yourself because none will"
Dom, you hit the nail right on the head near the end of your video... Jealousy. Yes I have had people try to make fun of me for heading out with a camera after work. I've also had people make fun of me for lying down in a ditch, in the rain, trying to get a shot... These same people are always the ones to say to me "Well anyone with a camera like that could take that image". I usually invite them on my next shoot and tell them they can use the camera if they wish. I shuts them right up!
everyone ive told that im a photographer thinks its the coolest thing in the world... everyone in high school knew me as a photographer. and it got ignoying at points because everyone ask me to take photos of this and take photos of that and asking me how my works going and blah, dont get me wrong i love talking about it, but it was an everyday thing. but anyways, ive never had this problem and it seams this lady is srounded by pricks
I only care what others think that's not in my area 10% and my peers 40% and the rest let's just say it's my show. That way if I fail as a photographer I fail. If I'm good I'm good then.
Hmm a lot of my friends think what I do must be so incredibly easy but then they borrow my camera and realize otherwise mostly because they can't figure out how to turn it on.
People used to take the piss out of me for doing photography. I didn't care, I was proud of it. Now half of the people who ripped me for it have started photography and are asking me for tips. My answer is: Fuck 'Em.
wow, i also get clowned for my camera at times as well. some friends and family say smart remarks to me but i ignore it or laugh it off. at times i defend it because most people are ignorant and all it takes is a open mind to understand what photography is. photography can be so fun and can be a very social activity if you allow it.
I guess actually studying for it does change people's perspectives for it. I'm studying in college to be a photographer and everytime I go out to take photos nobody that I know really bother me at all. In fact my camera kinda became a badge for me to go out more often. I think my friends often want me to go out with them everywhere just because of my photography. I only had a few times where people mocked me but that's because they were dicks and didn't knew photography at all..
I have this issue all of the time because I'm just now 20 and working for an advertising company, while trying to do portrait photography on the side. A lot of people will act like it's a joke, kind of like how you smile at a 5 yr old trying to play the drums. Then some people respect me and feel they're working with someone that can really do the job. I've never had a customer complain, but I have felt like I'm not "good" enough to be called a photographer.
the same thoughts as dom here , what it also is with people in general if you say your a photographer ,they thinking
you make money with it.
My ipoin a photographer is somebody that take pictures as a hobby or as for a living and it thats not matter if your work is crappy/good/amateur or pro the most important thing is that you love it. ignore people like your BOSS
jealous/hating people tell your boss got take 3.2 MP cellphone pics ''I SHOOT RAW CUNT just do what you enjoin it
@dollfacepookie, don't let your boss get you down. He sounds like a jerkface. Try to surround yourself with those that will support and respect you and your aspirations. I too have been belittled by some (even some photographers who were better than I was). I strove to get better and when I did I showed them my work and they had to eat their words. Perhaps you should show your work to your horrible boss? I doubt he has an eye for the craft as you do! Perhaps he would be stunned by your work. =)
I am 17, I go to school (major in photo journalism and digital arts) i work part time in a studio and have shared some of my work with local newspapers and companies, I call my self a photographer not because i work,sell and earn about photography but because i live and breath it, it is my life and my passion, if you can pick up any camera and make an image pop then i think you can call yourself a photographer
i get weird looks and comments when people find out that im in to photography. apparently people that are in to photography should have a certain look , i guess i dont have that look. people have said wow i would have never guessed that YOU would be in to that? WTF IS THAT!? then obviously you cant help but feel a little uncomfortable.
It's been my experience that people are going to say and do what they want. Try not to get wrapped up in the title of photographer and just enjoy shooting. When you label your self your setting a level of expectation for people. Don't worry about what others think and just enjoy the art
This is almost the same question ive seen many times on photography forums, When to call yourself professional etc etc etc , i always avoid forums now. In my opinion, its asked by photographers who are losing work because 'enthusiastic amatuers' and youtube are making it easy for everyone to enjoy photography and come up with great results.
If your a professional and losing money to people like me, GET BETTER !
I take a lot of pride saying that I am a Photographer, but I've come across some dicked who think they better than me because they sit in an office 9-5. good video!!!
The fact that her boss took the Mikey of her had nothing to do with being a photographer or photography at all. The only thing someone like that shows is disrespect and he would have done that on every other hobby, profession or subject she is in as well. My only advice is to set it aside and see this boss as that what he is: a pathetic piece of fuck who probably can't cope with the fact that his employees have life besides his business.
Hi, i def.ly nowadays live for being exchange d for a photographer. It may turn to ne good for you if you are 'belittled' by the right person. Just hope it happens
A good photographer is an artist and a good press photographer guarantees by doing his journalistic work our freedom of speech and democracy ! So it depends only on the question whether your are good or not. If you are a good photographer BE PROUD OF IT and if your photos are ugly but you enjoy taking them, then simply ENJOY IT. I am a doctor and i am proud of it (as long as i do a good job) and i am hobby photographer and i am proud of that too (as long as i do a good job).
thanks for doing this video, i really appretiate it
i'm sorry if my text was a bit hard to read!
what i meant by how was it becoming a photographer, was things like when did you get your first camera? and did you study it a college?
because for me personally, i live in a small village with little money, so its hard to buy equipment i want to try out and its hard to go out to take photos, i'm finding it a struggle to practice my skills (i like to keep to portraiture,but have to no one to capture)
If your hobby is photography and you are serious about learning all you can about it then go ahead and call yourself a photographer. Its not like you said you're a PRO photographer. Like Dom was saying, if you like snowboarding you're a snowboarder. Same thing. And there are many fantastic PRO photographers (self taught) that have not gone to a photography school. So dont worry about what others say and just have fun shooting.
I too work in a restaurant (well, conference and banquetting, serving 2-3 weddings each and every weekend) and there's always banter to everyone about everything... Telling someone to piss off and coming up with a quick and clever comeback always works! I think a photographer is anyone who understands how a camera works and how to use the camera beyond the basic functions. It is someone who understands the techniques and tries to have an artistic stance on the subject. That's just my view!
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My thoughts are I don't think anyone should call themselves a Photographer unless they have gone to school to study Photography. Photography is just like any other profession like a Doctor or Lawyer. People pay good money to study the roots of photography and they are the one who should be call Photographers
I am a Graphic Designer and I am entitled to say that since I when to school to get a degree on that. But when it comes to Photography I call myself a Photo Enthusiast with advanced amateur
@michabox I find that a very odd statement "don't think anyone should call themselves a Photographer unless they have gone to school to study Photography" There are hundreds of photographers out there that never studied it at school, same goes for painters and film makers etc.
I studied Psychology at university, I use some psychology every day of my life but I do not call myself a psychologist.
I find Formal education counts for very little in the creative industries.
@Dombowerphoto I agree on that one. It's like nowadays people study to perform in a band. But can you call yourself a musician if you don't sing/perform on stage? Whilst there are other people who studied something entirely different do perform on stage later in life.
Of course this only counts for the creative industries where everyone can a part of. And not for lets say a doctor where you are required to have a degree to open a doctor's office.
@Dombowerphoto Also think, if you are young and play football for instance for a team i would class myself as a 'footballer' I'm not saying I'm a 'professional footballer' but a footballer none the less, so the answer is you do photography so therefore you're a photographer.
@ThomasShortley agreed, there is a huge difference between saying " I'm a photographer" vs "I'm a professional Photographer" as in I do photography as my vocation. But to suggest (as some have) you need formal training before you can use the term "photographer" is a bit like saying "I'm a bird watcher...but I haven't as yet earned my formal degree"
@Dombowerphoto I agree that "formal education counts for very little in the creative industries" but what I am trying to get across is, and again this what I think non has to agree non disagree, that Photographer, Cinematographer, Lawyer, ect is a tittle that you buy not something that you just can take. For example I know how to withdraw blood and take the blood pressure; does that make me a Registered Nurse, no, there is more to that.
@michabox Dom's right. A lot of photographers (whom are good, best, famous, pro) that didn't gone to school to study photography. In the world of photojournalism, there are a lot of them who are not a graduate or studied photography, most of them are graduate of masscomm, psych, english, etc. I for one didn't enrolled any photography school/class but I work as a photojournalist, and I'm a graduate of bachelor of philosophy and I don't call myself a philosopher. =)
@michabox Just my $0.02 .. some people see photography as skill and other see it as craft. I don't want my Doctor to be "creative".we should compare photography to singing or acting. Not everyone who go to singing school be a singer and not all the actor go to "acting school". After i read "life in the iron mills", i truly understand why we want to create art... that is another big big topic lol ..
@michabox I went to school to study history and I got my degree in that field. I would not however call myself a "historian" because I have never been published. Even if I had not gone to school to study that subject, and I had been published or contributed to that field in some kind of significant manner, then I would consider myself a historian. I don't think education grants you the right to automatically call yourself a "pro" in that field. You have to do something with it.
@michabox i know a lot f photographers takin crappy photos.... and i am a doctor and i know its not like studyin overnight and gettin good marks in exams.... i dont think u can make a better photo by readin few books... its ur vision which comes out through d pic jus like painters or any other artists
@jad9594 hmmm... in my opinion... sad to tell, but there are really a crappy photographs. example: a photo of a person with a harsh in-your-face lighting and a dark/unlit background and the person's eyes are all red. XD
@jad9594 yah agreed only if no one can telll u.... but there r people who can tell u dat ur photos r crap.... if all ur photo viewers tell dat its a crap photo definitly
@jhnaveenjh : hahah A for effort lol. I like all kind of photo... so what is your excuse for your crappy photo?? btw thank you I am get you see the "good attitude"
@jad9594 i am not the kind f guy who s tryin to find excuse for crap pictures, somewer frm the world history book... how old ru 15?? dont show off usin d knowledge u ve got frm 10th grade history book... dont get angry man its jus truth admit it
@jhnaveenjh LoL i'm way older than you and if I should not get mad or angry for little kids like you. where were you when i was in 10th Grade?? YOu have not born yet hahahaha....
@michabox Although I agree there are merits to a formal training, or official certification, I do think there are many many exceptions to this rule in ANY profession, people who are passionate about something could learn very well on their own especially now with the internet being able to ask a question and have 100 professionals answer you instead of the opinion of a single teacher. Many musicians, artists learn on their own, this applies mostly to creative fields, sciences are different.
Some guys at my old job used to poke fun when I told them I want to be a photographer for a living. They would always say crap like "How hard is it to press a button" I have always been into art, went to art school for 3D Art, and always drew when I was young and people ALWAYS gave me flak....It's ridiculous.
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
My parents! They don't take photography (or photographers) seriously and they believe it's something anyone can do. They're like: "You gotta make something more of your life." The stereotype they have in mind is that I'm gonna do passport photos for people my entire life and they don't realize that there are other aspects of photography. To them it's just nothing more than a hobby...like fishing or something.
@markwjr1 Yeah, unfortunately that's the only picture they have in mind when they hear the word "photographer". However, I'm still saving money for lenses :P
I'm attempting to do Event Photography and Portraits... I personally have had a few paid for jobs, but as it's part-time, I do not refer to myself as a photographer, but I do state I'm into Photography... Like in the email, I have had my superiors at work take the Micky... As they attended a wedding and saw a Photographer, so they took a pic of the photographer on their phones and showed me a picture of this guy, pointed and laughed "this will be you in a few years"... I was not amused... Didn'
@MrLouisBrooks yeah thats what i mean, people think it makes them some kind of artist (espetially a freind of mine who has no idea what he's doing with a camera) i've seen people upload albums on facebook named "photography" and its just pictures of them from a phone camera, and tbh it insults me! when there is no real effort put into something
I just want to ask wether you ever faced the same situation as I did:
In here (your channel, with all the photographers around) when you introduce yourself as an 'amateur' it doesn't mean you're a bad and shitty photographer, it just means you won't earn much money from your shots.
But whenever you introduce yourself the same way outside, people just don't take you serious and classify you as a 'pile of shit' in the world of photography.
I find people immediately expect brilliant results from you if you are going to study photography or say you want to be a photographer. Not everyone, but some people. But in the most I've got nothing but interest a support.
I guess the guy who sent you this letter was born in 93 thus he hasn't a fully evolved "I don't give a crap what you're thinking of my hobbies" attitude. As he gets older, he'll realise that it really doesn't matter what other people think of you and your hobbies.
That said, I haven't been belittled once, at least not from people I take serious, not even due to the fact that videogames are my second big hobby I love. In my opinion, it's just a matter of self-esteem.
Belittled. Yes. Patronised. Yes. Non Supportive. Yes.
I've had it all from Friends and Family. All of the reactions i've had seem to be from the idea that you are either a "proper pro" or you don't know what you are doing at all. Nothing in-between.
Maybe everyday people have such a low opinion of photography because of all those blokes with cameras who call themselves photographers muck up so many cheap weddings etc.
I answered with: I shoot pictures and edit them in Photoshop
He started to laugh and said: Think you're a big artistic man cuz you edit photo's?
And in all the sudden I just came up this answer: Now, what do you do? Play World Of Warcraft, killing "pixel"-dragons all day long with a bag of chips next to your screen? I guess your a hero .. In real life ...
(btw: I always use those lines in such situations :p)
When I say that I LOVE photography and that, someday, I would like to be a photographer, so, getting payed for, people look at me and just says: get a REAL job! Why some peolple thoughts are that photography is only a hipster hobby?
The worst thing i get when i say i like photography is people assuming that I do it just to take pictures of scantily clad women like some sort of lecherous le
Dollfacepokie; you will find that your Boss won't be the first KNOB ( as Dom put's it ) you will come across; Forget the rest of the world, Britian is full of KNOB's. Just keep doing what you love.. For now, class yourself as an "Amatuer Photographer" that makes your Boss a "Proffesional Knob" keep clicking. "Don't get Done !! Get Dom" ! You missed a trick there Dom !
@gunwharf thanks you :) its hard to find people who understand that its a skill that can take years to perfect
as for the photos i took for my old boss i meantioned, i left him with the photos that i thought were not bad
(as you do, take anything up to 1000 photos and can come out with 5 half decent ones) he asked me to send him ALL the pictures, so i sent him ALL them. including the blurry, out of focus, over exposed ones. he asked for them!
im 15 and i have a passion for photography, im putting myself more out there, doing shoots for people, maybe make some money on the way, but i feel belittled when talking to other older photographers, in the way they speak it comes across as just because they have better equipment and more experience then there is no point talking to me, has anybody experienced something similar to this? would love to hear your thoughts.
@JaseSheehan I have also experienced this, many of the older photographers (not only the pros) are assuming that just because im under 25 (im 17) and dont have a 5d or 1D and only L-lenses do i take this under- overexposed outoffocus pictures. I also feel that many of them feel like im just going thruh some kind of phase and that i wont be interested in photography in 3 years. I just think those guys should just bugg-off though i dont care about there opinion!
@aleksandersandstrom i totally agre with you, what they are forgetting that they have probably been in this position before and yet now when they have the chance to help others they are so snobby about it, what ever happened to being decent to people?
i have run into people before who dont believe that photography is a real job cuz they think its not hard. I usually reply well clearly you dont know what your talking about. and just continue on my way. As long as i enjoy it and know how much skill it takes then why would an uneducated person's opinion matter.
Yeah, When i was standing on a hill in the rain catching lightning or at -20C crawling on ice that was cracking to catch a frozen rock shaped as a swan or chasing Babmy in knee deep snow.
F'n go through the elements to get a decent shot while they are ooo look at my "macro" of a cup saying Whats the difference?!
I don't think if you call yourself photographer or not and what people think about your work, hobbie or whatever it's so important as your images, there is no better introduction to yourself than your photos and there is no better response to your boss than your photos, go to improve your images, that is what matters.
People that belittle what other people are doing, most times don't have the drive & passion for anything = boring life and they take out their frustration on others hoping it will make them feel better... but it doesn't work. Just do your own thing and who cares about anything else :)
Last year I was up the hills/ back roads taking pictures of a frozen lake a car pulled up with a group of blokes in it shout yo get a real Fu@king hobby you fag some people are just small minded or just don't understand I wouldn't let small minded people get you down so keep it up and good luck
as a fourteen year old girl who does have talent and a passion for photography, i'm belittled daily. Basically every girl my age wants to be a "photographer." I clearly do not have a business, yet i do have a passion. Many people are under the impression that if you have a DSLR, that makes you a professional photographer, and many more people are under the impression that if you have a DSLR you are calling yourself a professional photographer. No, I just take pictures.
I think if your passionate about photography and want to follow it as a career or even just as a hobbie then don't listen to other people comments unless it is constructive criticism that will help you achieve your goal.
There is alot of people like that but one thing for sure is that, formal education is overrated. I'm in my bachelor degree in directing film, I didn't call myself a film director or whatnot. You define yourself of what you capable of. Not by people's words which is unfortunate for dollfacepookie to have that kind of person to be her boss. I have the same problem with my dad, always criticizing everytime I bring out my camera. All I can say is "Keep believing in yourself because none will"
feeltherose 1 month ago
Those sort of comments normally stem from a small penis.
007onlytaller 5 months ago
Her photos where ok...
She made them sound terrible in her message.
The boss has some kinda "power" problem or is sexist ect...
Yahweigh 5 months ago
Dom, you hit the nail right on the head near the end of your video... Jealousy. Yes I have had people try to make fun of me for heading out with a camera after work. I've also had people make fun of me for lying down in a ditch, in the rain, trying to get a shot... These same people are always the ones to say to me "Well anyone with a camera like that could take that image". I usually invite them on my next shoot and tell them they can use the camera if they wish. I shuts them right up!
ffllaammeerr 6 months ago
everyone ive told that im a photographer thinks its the coolest thing in the world... everyone in high school knew me as a photographer. and it got ignoying at points because everyone ask me to take photos of this and take photos of that and asking me how my works going and blah, dont get me wrong i love talking about it, but it was an everyday thing. but anyways, ive never had this problem and it seams this lady is srounded by pricks
photoboy2005 6 months ago
I only care what others think that's not in my area 10% and my peers 40% and the rest let's just say it's my show. That way if I fail as a photographer I fail. If I'm good I'm good then.
nda42831 6 months ago
DollFacePookie should go and visit a shrink and work on her self-steem...and btw her boss is an idiot!
Supiripanto 6 months ago
@Supiripanto whats a shrink?
DollFacePookie 6 months ago
Hmm a lot of my friends think what I do must be so incredibly easy but then they borrow my camera and realize otherwise mostly because they can't figure out how to turn it on.
SchoolAccount1129 6 months ago
People used to take the piss out of me for doing photography. I didn't care, I was proud of it. Now half of the people who ripped me for it have started photography and are asking me for tips. My answer is: Fuck 'Em.
atacottrill 6 months ago
wow, i also get clowned for my camera at times as well. some friends and family say smart remarks to me but i ignore it or laugh it off. at times i defend it because most people are ignorant and all it takes is a open mind to understand what photography is. photography can be so fun and can be a very social activity if you allow it.
jh3835 6 months ago
@jhnaveenjh ooh just read these comments. thats you blocked. noone wants to read drivel like that. good bye
Dombowerphoto 6 months ago
@jhnaveenjh Ouch .. you hurt my feeling ... I guess i should go to kill myself then lol. Being Racial is not going to get you anyway.
jad9594 6 months ago
I guess actually studying for it does change people's perspectives for it. I'm studying in college to be a photographer and everytime I go out to take photos nobody that I know really bother me at all. In fact my camera kinda became a badge for me to go out more often. I think my friends often want me to go out with them everywhere just because of my photography. I only had a few times where people mocked me but that's because they were dicks and didn't knew photography at all..
meatwad4900 6 months ago
I have this issue all of the time because I'm just now 20 and working for an advertising company, while trying to do portrait photography on the side. A lot of people will act like it's a joke, kind of like how you smile at a 5 yr old trying to play the drums. Then some people respect me and feel they're working with someone that can really do the job. I've never had a customer complain, but I have felt like I'm not "good" enough to be called a photographer.
OggOrbisMedia 6 months ago
the same thoughts as dom here , what it also is with people in general if you say your a photographer ,they thinking
you make money with it.
My ipoin a photographer is somebody that take pictures as a hobby or as for a living and it thats not matter if your work is crappy/good/amateur or pro the most important thing is that you love it. ignore people like your BOSS
jealous/hating people tell your boss got take 3.2 MP cellphone pics ''I SHOOT RAW CUNT just do what you enjoin it
smorris227 6 months ago
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smorris227 6 months ago
@dollfacepookie, don't let your boss get you down. He sounds like a jerkface. Try to surround yourself with those that will support and respect you and your aspirations. I too have been belittled by some (even some photographers who were better than I was). I strove to get better and when I did I showed them my work and they had to eat their words. Perhaps you should show your work to your horrible boss? I doubt he has an eye for the craft as you do! Perhaps he would be stunned by your work. =)
ThatShaneGuy00 6 months ago
Doms' the man
Defictionalize 6 months ago
I am 17, I go to school (major in photo journalism and digital arts) i work part time in a studio and have shared some of my work with local newspapers and companies, I call my self a photographer not because i work,sell and earn about photography but because i live and breath it, it is my life and my passion, if you can pick up any camera and make an image pop then i think you can call yourself a photographer
MIkeness101 6 months ago
Have to go to school to call yourself a photographer huh? Tell Joey Lawrence, Chase Jarvis, and Lara Jade that!
xXTigerArmyXx 6 months ago
What's a "mikey"?
LRSS2455 6 months ago
@LRSS2455 it just means he was making fun of me, generally being a jerk about it
DollFacePookie 6 months ago
i get weird looks and comments when people find out that im in to photography. apparently people that are in to photography should have a certain look , i guess i dont have that look. people have said wow i would have never guessed that YOU would be in to that? WTF IS THAT!? then obviously you cant help but feel a little uncomfortable.
lopezae33 6 months ago
It's been my experience that people are going to say and do what they want. Try not to get wrapped up in the title of photographer and just enjoy shooting. When you label your self your setting a level of expectation for people. Don't worry about what others think and just enjoy the art
jassmi04 6 months ago
This is almost the same question ive seen many times on photography forums, When to call yourself professional etc etc etc , i always avoid forums now. In my opinion, its asked by photographers who are losing work because 'enthusiastic amatuers' and youtube are making it easy for everyone to enjoy photography and come up with great results.
If your a professional and losing money to people like me, GET BETTER !
rich999uk 6 months ago
I take a lot of pride saying that I am a Photographer, but I've come across some dicked who think they better than me because they sit in an office 9-5. good video!!!
lukasgisbert 6 months ago
The fact that her boss took the Mikey of her had nothing to do with being a photographer or photography at all. The only thing someone like that shows is disrespect and he would have done that on every other hobby, profession or subject she is in as well. My only advice is to set it aside and see this boss as that what he is: a pathetic piece of fuck who probably can't cope with the fact that his employees have life besides his business.
mariokluser 6 months ago
If you are shooting with Nikon, you sure are a photographer :P (as well as canon and all the others lol) v(^.<)v
jad9594 6 months ago
Hi, i def.ly nowadays live for being exchange d for a photographer. It may turn to ne good for you if you are 'belittled' by the right person. Just hope it happens
mcaroell 6 months ago
My math teacher once asked me if i had an inferiority complex because of my 70-200. Damn we both laughed so hard :D
Spaeckli 6 months ago
A good photographer is an artist and a good press photographer guarantees by doing his journalistic work our freedom of speech and democracy ! So it depends only on the question whether your are good or not. If you are a good photographer BE PROUD OF IT and if your photos are ugly but you enjoy taking them, then simply ENJOY IT. I am a doctor and i am proud of it (as long as i do a good job) and i am hobby photographer and i am proud of that too (as long as i do a good job).
tjschmal 6 months ago
thanks for doing this video, i really appretiate it
i'm sorry if my text was a bit hard to read!
what i meant by how was it becoming a photographer, was things like when did you get your first camera? and did you study it a college?
because for me personally, i live in a small village with little money, so its hard to buy equipment i want to try out and its hard to go out to take photos, i'm finding it a struggle to practice my skills (i like to keep to portraiture,but have to no one to capture)
DollFacePookie 6 months ago
Compare the meanings of professional, expert, amatuer. Do you charge, do you know it all, do you love doing it?
x3mhook 6 months ago
If your hobby is photography and you are serious about learning all you can about it then go ahead and call yourself a photographer. Its not like you said you're a PRO photographer. Like Dom was saying, if you like snowboarding you're a snowboarder. Same thing. And there are many fantastic PRO photographers (self taught) that have not gone to a photography school. So dont worry about what others say and just have fun shooting.
geomox4 6 months ago
I too work in a restaurant (well, conference and banquetting, serving 2-3 weddings each and every weekend) and there's always banter to everyone about everything... Telling someone to piss off and coming up with a quick and clever comeback always works! I think a photographer is anyone who understands how a camera works and how to use the camera beyond the basic functions. It is someone who understands the techniques and tries to have an artistic stance on the subject. That's just my view!
SillyEddyPhotography 6 months ago 3
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My thoughts are I don't think anyone should call themselves a Photographer unless they have gone to school to study Photography. Photography is just like any other profession like a Doctor or Lawyer. People pay good money to study the roots of photography and they are the one who should be call Photographers
I am a Graphic Designer and I am entitled to say that since I when to school to get a degree on that. But when it comes to Photography I call myself a Photo Enthusiast with advanced amateur
michabox 6 months ago
@michabox I find that a very odd statement "don't think anyone should call themselves a Photographer unless they have gone to school to study Photography" There are hundreds of photographers out there that never studied it at school, same goes for painters and film makers etc.
I studied Psychology at university, I use some psychology every day of my life but I do not call myself a psychologist.
I find Formal education counts for very little in the creative industries.
Dombowerphoto 6 months ago 48
@Dombowerphoto I agree on that one. It's like nowadays people study to perform in a band. But can you call yourself a musician if you don't sing/perform on stage? Whilst there are other people who studied something entirely different do perform on stage later in life.
Of course this only counts for the creative industries where everyone can a part of. And not for lets say a doctor where you are required to have a degree to open a doctor's office.
MVC7CVM 6 months ago
@Dombowerphoto Also think, if you are young and play football for instance for a team i would class myself as a 'footballer' I'm not saying I'm a 'professional footballer' but a footballer none the less, so the answer is you do photography so therefore you're a photographer.
ThomasShortley 6 months ago
@ThomasShortley agreed, there is a huge difference between saying " I'm a photographer" vs "I'm a professional Photographer" as in I do photography as my vocation. But to suggest (as some have) you need formal training before you can use the term "photographer" is a bit like saying "I'm a bird watcher...but I haven't as yet earned my formal degree"
dazxmedia 6 months ago
@Dombowerphoto I agree that "formal education counts for very little in the creative industries" but what I am trying to get across is, and again this what I think non has to agree non disagree, that Photographer, Cinematographer, Lawyer, ect is a tittle that you buy not something that you just can take. For example I know how to withdraw blood and take the blood pressure; does that make me a Registered Nurse, no, there is more to that.
michabox 6 months ago
@michabox Dom's right. A lot of photographers (whom are good, best, famous, pro) that didn't gone to school to study photography. In the world of photojournalism, there are a lot of them who are not a graduate or studied photography, most of them are graduate of masscomm, psych, english, etc. I for one didn't enrolled any photography school/class but I work as a photojournalist, and I'm a graduate of bachelor of philosophy and I don't call myself a philosopher. =)
baguiopunx 6 months ago
@michabox Just my $0.02 .. some people see photography as skill and other see it as craft. I don't want my Doctor to be "creative".we should compare photography to singing or acting. Not everyone who go to singing school be a singer and not all the actor go to "acting school". After i read "life in the iron mills", i truly understand why we want to create art... that is another big big topic lol ..
jad9594 6 months ago
@michabox I went to school to study history and I got my degree in that field. I would not however call myself a "historian" because I have never been published. Even if I had not gone to school to study that subject, and I had been published or contributed to that field in some kind of significant manner, then I would consider myself a historian. I don't think education grants you the right to automatically call yourself a "pro" in that field. You have to do something with it.
ThatShaneGuy00 6 months ago
@michabox i know a lot f photographers takin crappy photos.... and i am a doctor and i know its not like studyin overnight and gettin good marks in exams.... i dont think u can make a better photo by readin few books... its ur vision which comes out through d pic jus like painters or any other artists
jhnaveenjh 6 months ago 4
@jhnaveenjh if no one can tell what make a "good" photo don't think there are such "crappy photo".
jad9594 6 months ago
@jad9594 hmmm... in my opinion... sad to tell, but there are really a crappy photographs. example: a photo of a person with a harsh in-your-face lighting and a dark/unlit background and the person's eyes are all red. XD
baguiopunx 6 months ago
@baguiopunx: Harsh light can be good sometime... now i want to make some red eyes shot look cool and fun ...
jad9594 6 months ago
@jad9594 yah agreed only if no one can telll u.... but there r people who can tell u dat ur photos r crap.... if all ur photo viewers tell dat its a crap photo definitly
jhnaveenjh 6 months ago 2
@jhnaveenjh Totally disagree with you!! there were a time that people believe the world is flat and they burn the one who believe earth is round ....
jad9594 6 months ago
@jad9594 then u wait for the whole world to change... glad that u hav got excuse for ur crappy pics!!!... good atitude!!!!
jhnaveenjh 6 months ago
@jhnaveenjh : hahah A for effort lol. I like all kind of photo... so what is your excuse for your crappy photo?? btw thank you I am get you see the "good attitude"
jad9594 6 months ago
@jad9594 i am not the kind f guy who s tryin to find excuse for crap pictures, somewer frm the world history book... how old ru 15?? dont show off usin d knowledge u ve got frm 10th grade history book... dont get angry man its jus truth admit it
jhnaveenjh 6 months ago
@jhnaveenjh LoL i'm way older than you and if I should not get mad or angry for little kids like you. where were you when i was in 10th Grade?? YOu have not born yet hahahaha....
jad9594 6 months ago
@michabox you stupid?
skatebaker321 6 months ago
@skatebaker321 That is not a very productive response buddy.
michabox 6 months ago
@michabox k
skatebaker321 6 months ago
@michabox Although I agree there are merits to a formal training, or official certification, I do think there are many many exceptions to this rule in ANY profession, people who are passionate about something could learn very well on their own especially now with the internet being able to ask a question and have 100 professionals answer you instead of the opinion of a single teacher. Many musicians, artists learn on their own, this applies mostly to creative fields, sciences are different.
lgadwords 6 months ago
@michabox take chase jarvis, one of the world's most successful photographers, and im quoting- "im 100% self tought, no school or anything"
bassmanTV 4 months ago
Some guys at my old job used to poke fun when I told them I want to be a photographer for a living. They would always say crap like "How hard is it to press a button" I have always been into art, went to art school for 3D Art, and always drew when I was young and people ALWAYS gave me flak....It's ridiculous.
joshuad2d 6 months ago
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
~~ Mark Twain
dlasusa 6 months ago
@Halobitt hahaha literally laughed out loud oh man I hope you don't mind if I use that :P
itzihuariquintero 6 months ago
My parents! They don't take photography (or photographers) seriously and they believe it's something anyone can do. They're like: "You gotta make something more of your life." The stereotype they have in mind is that I'm gonna do passport photos for people my entire life and they don't realize that there are other aspects of photography. To them it's just nothing more than a hobby...like fishing or something.
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markwjr1 6 months ago
@markwjr1 Yeah, unfortunately that's the only picture they have in mind when they hear the word "photographer". However, I'm still saving money for lenses :P
Thanks for sharing your story :)
Wuzzysbrand06 6 months ago
I'm attempting to do Event Photography and Portraits... I personally have had a few paid for jobs, but as it's part-time, I do not refer to myself as a photographer, but I do state I'm into Photography... Like in the email, I have had my superiors at work take the Micky... As they attended a wedding and saw a Photographer, so they took a pic of the photographer on their phones and showed me a picture of this guy, pointed and laughed "this will be you in a few years"... I was not amused... Didn'
leo140485 6 months ago
my best mates do it, i think its because im a teen and they think its all artsy fartsy
MrLouisBrooks 6 months ago
@MrLouisBrooks yeah thats what i mean, people think it makes them some kind of artist (espetially a freind of mine who has no idea what he's doing with a camera) i've seen people upload albums on facebook named "photography" and its just pictures of them from a phone camera, and tbh it insults me! when there is no real effort put into something
DollFacePookie 6 months ago
@dombowerphoto,
I just want to ask wether you ever faced the same situation as I did:
In here (your channel, with all the photographers around) when you introduce yourself as an 'amateur' it doesn't mean you're a bad and shitty photographer, it just means you won't earn much money from your shots.
But whenever you introduce yourself the same way outside, people just don't take you serious and classify you as a 'pile of shit' in the world of photography.
MVC7CVM 6 months ago
I find people immediately expect brilliant results from you if you are going to study photography or say you want to be a photographer. Not everyone, but some people. But in the most I've got nothing but interest a support.
MrTim999 6 months ago
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markwjr1 6 months ago
I guess the guy who sent you this letter was born in 93 thus he hasn't a fully evolved "I don't give a crap what you're thinking of my hobbies" attitude. As he gets older, he'll realise that it really doesn't matter what other people think of you and your hobbies.
That said, I haven't been belittled once, at least not from people I take serious, not even due to the fact that videogames are my second big hobby I love. In my opinion, it's just a matter of self-esteem.
voddybull 6 months ago
Belittled. Yes. Patronised. Yes. Non Supportive. Yes.
I've had it all from Friends and Family. All of the reactions i've had seem to be from the idea that you are either a "proper pro" or you don't know what you are doing at all. Nothing in-between.
Maybe everyday people have such a low opinion of photography because of all those blokes with cameras who call themselves photographers muck up so many cheap weddings etc.
iamchrisphoto 6 months ago
One day someone asked me: what are your hobbies?
I answered with: I shoot pictures and edit them in Photoshop
He started to laugh and said: Think you're a big artistic man cuz you edit photo's?
And in all the sudden I just came up this answer: Now, what do you do? Play World Of Warcraft, killing "pixel"-dragons all day long with a bag of chips next to your screen? I guess your a hero .. In real life ...
(btw: I always use those lines in such situations :p)
MVC7CVM 6 months ago
When I say that I LOVE photography and that, someday, I would like to be a photographer, so, getting payed for, people look at me and just says: get a REAL job! Why some peolple thoughts are that photography is only a hipster hobby?
manualwarr 6 months ago
Pervert, oh my god my fingers are too big for this ipad keyboard lol
loony24m 6 months ago 2
@loony24m hahahahhahahahahhaha
Dombowerphoto 6 months ago
pervert, thea
loony24m 6 months ago
The worst thing i get when i say i like photography is people assuming that I do it just to take pictures of scantily clad women like some sort of lecherous le
loony24m 6 months ago
anytime a knob tries to put down your enjoyment of photography ask them what they do with free time
Capesports4 6 months ago
If a knob asks "what do you do?"
Tell them you shoot people.
Halobitt 6 months ago 15
@Halobitt with guns!
Dombowerphoto 6 months ago 2
by the way how to you contact with the magazines and stuff like that? its not like shooting a band and then talking to them....
bassmanTV 6 months ago
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ThomasShortley 6 months ago
Yes, my own parents
PolemicArts 6 months ago
Dollfacepokie; you will find that your Boss won't be the first KNOB ( as Dom put's it ) you will come across; Forget the rest of the world, Britian is full of KNOB's. Just keep doing what you love.. For now, class yourself as an "Amatuer Photographer" that makes your Boss a "Proffesional Knob" keep clicking. "Don't get Done !! Get Dom" ! You missed a trick there Dom !
all the best.. david
gunwharf 6 months ago 2
@gunwharf thanks you :) its hard to find people who understand that its a skill that can take years to perfect
as for the photos i took for my old boss i meantioned, i left him with the photos that i thought were not bad
(as you do, take anything up to 1000 photos and can come out with 5 half decent ones) he asked me to send him ALL the pictures, so i sent him ALL them. including the blurry, out of focus, over exposed ones. he asked for them!
DollFacePookie 6 months ago
im 15 and i have a passion for photography, im putting myself more out there, doing shoots for people, maybe make some money on the way, but i feel belittled when talking to other older photographers, in the way they speak it comes across as just because they have better equipment and more experience then there is no point talking to me, has anybody experienced something similar to this? would love to hear your thoughts.
JaseSheehan 6 months ago
@JaseSheehan I have also experienced this, many of the older photographers (not only the pros) are assuming that just because im under 25 (im 17) and dont have a 5d or 1D and only L-lenses do i take this under- overexposed outoffocus pictures. I also feel that many of them feel like im just going thruh some kind of phase and that i wont be interested in photography in 3 years. I just think those guys should just bugg-off though i dont care about there opinion!
aleksandersandstrom 6 months ago
@aleksandersandstrom i totally agre with you, what they are forgetting that they have probably been in this position before and yet now when they have the chance to help others they are so snobby about it, what ever happened to being decent to people?
JaseSheehan 6 months ago
i have run into people before who dont believe that photography is a real job cuz they think its not hard. I usually reply well clearly you dont know what your talking about. and just continue on my way. As long as i enjoy it and know how much skill it takes then why would an uneducated person's opinion matter.
schoolsucks1234545 6 months ago
i REALLY WONDER WHAT FILES IN THERE IN THE FOLDER "Lady ... I shots" !!!
handsomelok 6 months ago
Yeah, When i was standing on a hill in the rain catching lightning or at -20C crawling on ice that was cracking to catch a frozen rock shaped as a swan or chasing Babmy in knee deep snow.
F'n go through the elements to get a decent shot while they are ooo look at my "macro" of a cup saying Whats the difference?!
PanzarMetal 6 months ago
I don't think if you call yourself photographer or not and what people think about your work, hobbie or whatever it's so important as your images, there is no better introduction to yourself than your photos and there is no better response to your boss than your photos, go to improve your images, that is what matters.
2quemapuas2 6 months ago
video response coming soon..lol
CAMPHOTOPIX 6 months ago
People that belittle what other people are doing, most times don't have the drive & passion for anything = boring life and they take out their frustration on others hoping it will make them feel better... but it doesn't work. Just do your own thing and who cares about anything else :)
galaxiedance 6 months ago
Last year I was up the hills/ back roads taking pictures of a frozen lake a car pulled up with a group of blokes in it shout yo get a real Fu@king hobby you fag some people are just small minded or just don't understand I wouldn't let small minded people get you down so keep it up and good luck
Simon
ThePhotographybysimo 6 months ago 2
agreed... your boss is a dick and you are just you!
GingerSnapsPhoto 6 months ago
as a fourteen year old girl who does have talent and a passion for photography, i'm belittled daily. Basically every girl my age wants to be a "photographer." I clearly do not have a business, yet i do have a passion. Many people are under the impression that if you have a DSLR, that makes you a professional photographer, and many more people are under the impression that if you have a DSLR you are calling yourself a professional photographer. No, I just take pictures.
RyanMarisMakeupx3 6 months ago 3
I think if your passionate about photography and want to follow it as a career or even just as a hobbie then don't listen to other people comments unless it is constructive criticism that will help you achieve your goal.
TheMichaelMedia 6 months ago