I have eight years as of yesterday. I rarely go to meetings anymore. My brother in law has 18 years and he rarely goes to meetings anymore. They are just hard to take after a while. But to each their own. Someone famous, like LIza Minnelli, might have a harder time staying clean because of their fame and privilege.
@gamerdaddy It's not the norm to be drinking alcohol. The norm is to not be drinking alcohol. Any method that suggests an alcoholic can keep on drinking and that he will achieve sobriety by doing this is absolutely ludicrous... and can take some drugs as well, absolutely ludicrous!
No one can claim that a treatment for alcoholism works after only 3 months of sobriety. If you are an alcoholic my suggestion to you is to drop this 'treatment' before you die, get back to AA and keep it simple.
@gamerdaddy Lisa Minelli would not know B from a bulls foot. You recommend another new drug apparently on the market.
Do you say it replaces Antabuse (Disulfiram) A drug they have been trying without any luck since 1920. Someone is always trying to make money from alkies wanting to get sober.
Fact is AA is the only thing known to work with getting alcoholics sober and that's what it was set up for by The Oxford Group of Western Canada.
May I ask you how long you have been sober @gamerdaddy?
This is an excerpt from a story I wrote. Jan 21/ 2012 = eight years for me.
After a while I stopped going to AA meetings. There are things about AA that I don't like a whole lot. I don't necessarily believe I have a disease. If I do I didn't catch it off a toilet seat; maybe a bar stool. I don't need my addict/alcoholic behavior to be an identity. Why give it that much power? There was a choice in there somewhere. Otherwise how did I ever stop?
@MrBodypro8 I also see many things in AA that dislike me. I spent about 5 years of my life struggling alcoholism there, but it never really worked. I had periods of sobriety (1 month this year, 3 months that year), but these moments were filled with suffering/frustation.
But about Alcoholism being a disease, I have to agree with Liza because EVERY addiction rewires the neurones in a certain way. If you're interested check out the podcast "The Compass of Pleasure" in SoundCloud.
Does anyone know how long she has been sober? I don't agree with her about alcoholism being a disease. She is not a Dr and besides if she stops drinking alcohol she should not have any more associated problems. It appears she has fallen into the trap of thinking God will get her sober. Simply not true. I thought she still had a slur, what about you?
It's no use praying for sobriety. Avoid the spiritualists telling her to pray for sobriety. Learn how to survive from the blog How To Survive AA
Hey does anyone drink till breakfast time cos I can't do that. I find that scary. Like you're going into an abyss. What's to become of you? 5am is my limit. Even then... Never again. New Year ,there, 2:30 am and I headed for bed. I once knew a woman who'd binge right into the daylight hours and go looking for more. Jesus. That's frightening.
@Kelly14UK Yes, it is a nightmare. I know how it is by heart, because I had problems with drinking for years. One of my binges lasted three or four days!
I tried AA many times. It never worked for me...
But a medicine did! It's called Naltrexone. I took it associated with a treatment called "Sinclair Method".
I strongly recommend EVERY alcoholic to give it a try. In my case, the results were great!
@gamerdaddy I go months and I mean MONTHS without touching anything. Been keeping scores since January 1st 2003. I'll not go into details, but I'm winning easily. I know every calendar month I touched nothing. I'm famous for it in my circles. I'm the only one that uses the gym.
But yeah, I've got a real problem as I like it too much, and hangovers are hell on the mind. Really horrifying depression and anxiety attacks. Stuff stops me from eating properly too.
Wow. I like Liza Minnelli, as she was a great friend of the late, great Michael Jackson (as was her ex-husband David Guest). They were such good friends with each other. And I'm hopeful that Michael gave them advice on marriage, too (since he had been married twice, and I'm sure he told Liza and David all about that). :) RIP, Michael.
Alcoholism is a bad habit, yes... at first... than it becomes a disease... it's not anything about an alcoholic gen or habit... but it's a fact that some people are easyer atracted to addictions... so... if you are.. and you don't like to be illegal... and you get to get used to some stuff regularely available in almost any store worldwide............ well... that's how you become an alcoholic very easely...
"You've only got one day at a time, don't blow it" means you're not committed to tomorrow. "I'll stay sober today, but I reserve the right to relapse tomorrow." She's battled addiction for decades, according to bios. She can't make up her mind that she's going to stay sober for the rest of her life. Not entirely her fault -- AA teaches this nonsense, along with powerlessness. The NIAAA 2001-2002 survey found that 75% who achieved sobriety did it without AA or any treatment at all. No wonder!
@sweeney60 She may have been misinformed, alright, but her saying "THIS IS A DISEASE" is why I say she's retarded. People need to learn what a disease is before they try to say their bad habits are one, on TV.
@Ruflcopta well people it starts off as bad habits, but it develops into something you cant control hence why they call it disease, they dont mean disease in the traditional sense.
@sweeney60 It's a damned addiction, no other than cigarettes or cocaine. It's just that alcohol is legal and readily available at almost everyone's house and all parties.
I like how she talks about will power. It's like, don't fucking tell me I don't have the discipline or are too lazy to overcome this when my whole career is will power and discipline. Gene or no gene, psychological or physical, it's a disease. And once you know the REAL definition of "disease" then one would know better. Don't be a dick about it just because you don't have to deal with it.
I have nothing at all against Liza Minelli but I'm not as convinced alcoholism is genetic. It's an addictive substance, anyone can become an alcoholic if they build a dependency on the drug. She was probably more apt because of her mother not because it was genetic but because she'd seen the worst and probably always compared herself to it. Getting a little bit drunk or frequently drunk wasn't nearly as bad as what she'd seen so she let herself drink more without realizing it's effect.
My little brother drank since we were in highschool. He never stopped drinking - we are now in our 50s. I drank a little back then but I never liked it. He tried to stop and had to be rushed to hosp because he was having siezures. They had to put him a medically induced coma and life support till his body/brain could adjust to no alcohol. He tried to stop so many times but relapsed. I noticed that he always got hyper when he drank and I did not. Something is going on there so I believe Liza!
I loved Liza in her hey-day and I can see the obvious effects the alcoholism has had on her thinking. There is a thing called Alcohol dementia which is hard to diagnose and yet is so challenging for family members to deal with. I wish her the best.
Alcoholism is a disease. Anyone that has grown up in a household where a parent is an alcoholic eventually learns that. Al Anon teaches that it indeed is a disease. No one can help the alcoholic unless they are willing to be helped. I am a completely sober child of an alcoholic. I have an addictive personality and so my addiction is food. The addictive behaviours or tendencies may be in the genes and/or taught throught the years. No one knows for sure although there are many opinions.
@conman2317 GABRG3 was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families. Yes, it also involves A LOT of societal, cultural, and family influence (like most genes anyways) but it is linked. Of course, NO scientists know for certian.
@TheSjpatrik GABRG3 was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families. Yes, it also involves A LOT of societal, cultural, and family influence (like most genes anyways) but it is linked. Of course, NO scientists know for certian.
Aloha! My dad (Dick B.) has written more than 40 titles on why early A.A. succeeded (DickB dot com) and now has a channel on YouTube: "dickbchannel". What are your thoughts on his work? Thank you. Ken B.
Alcohoism and other manifestations of self destruction are all about a fear of life and unhappiness with ourselves, whatever people tell themselves to the contrary
@TheKenfig Well your wrong buddy. I grew with alcohol easily available without consequences since I was 12 years old. I'm honestly happy with my life but I still battle drinking. Im only 20 now.
@F350With460engine Nah, it's the way it is even though folk live in denial about it. No one is attracted to intoxication unless they want to escape ; fact. Somehow, upon closer inspection, they are deeply unhappy about something within themselves however difficult it might be to find or however small ; there is SOME low self esteem, lack of confidence or some inhibitions stopping them feeling free and fearless
another classic is "dont be SILLY" ; what is THAT to a child ??, and "Dont be NAUGHTY", or "That's naughty", when perhaps it isn't at all, but is said by parents just for the sake of it because they are mixed up and have bad nerves, but all these things have an effect on a child unconsciously. Parents are often like little kids because they ARE partly little kids, who have developed to one degree or another but many not healthy and cant cope themselves. But kids are NOT EVER 'little adults'
This impsoses paranoid feelings on a child and weird unsubstantiated ideas about life and others that a child internalises and if they're unhealthy, we accept them because they're from our first and most important role models. It can suppress our spontaneity through self- consciousness and make us ill or help us avoid reality
....and they can with their ideas and ideals, which may be inconsistent, contradictory and even hypocritical because they have had the same conditioning, are imposed on us and can frighten us for life. Too much 'superego' prevents us from progessing as it makes us too guilty, like we have murdered someone.We cant deal with it."What will OTHER people think of you ?" ; "THEY will think you're this / that" (for doing / being / saying that) ; "People are this / that ; you cant get TOO close to them"
@trakomako No it's not a disease on it's own. It is a particular by product of unhappiness which people want to escape from one way or another. It's about anesthetic because they find it hard to cope with themselves and other people. Depression is the same thing ; alcoholism / depression go hand in hand. Depression is controversial because however intelligent some are, theyre stupid enough to believe there is either endogenous OR reactive depression. ALL depressions are BOTH, not one of them
@jonesgerard Yes, I meant that really ; one is other although depression can find another 'fix'. like eating disorders as well. I often think that emotional difficulties come fro a weak, not adequately formed Ego
@jonesgerard We have to get these labels into perspective : we cant seperate 'ego' as it is abstract a concept, although a concept it is ; it sounds like I'm saying obvious elementary textbook stuff, but really our superego is formed finally and it 'splits' from the ego. I think that really it is right that it is our environment and parents and other family members 'fault' for want of a better word, that people are screwed up because of their influences on the child.They can cause conflict in us
@jonesgerard Yes, it is almost imposible to comprehend what it is without the concept of what is refered to as the ego, because only newborn babies usually dont have one and apparently some severe psychotics but that's different from not having one. All I'm saying is that 'Id' & 'Superego' conflicts with the ego have to be taken into consideration and form a huge source of emotional problems through fear and guilt management
Gene for alcoholism? "Heredity May Play Part in Drinking Habits" is misleading. There is no evidence whatsoever that attitudes toward drinking are hereditary. There are familial, societal, and cultural attitudes toward alcohol consumption but this does not mean that they have a genetic" via medicinenet(dot)com/script/main/art(dot)asp?articlekey=26119
i have had a bad life. and it is BS that it is just a disease. these people are weak and are cry babies. live through what i have straight headed. they are bull shit.pat us straight ppl on the back that make it through hard times straight.
Yeah right. That alcohol gets into a person's body by osmosis....or genetic malfunction like cancer...
Sorry sweetcakes, but no one put a gun to her head and forced her to drink. Funny how lunkheads like you will blame the alcohol by calling the consumption a "disease" instead of blaming the drinker.
Seems a lot of these comments are from ppl w/ little knowledge or experience w/ AA or who have relapsed & are bitter w/ themselves for their inability to follow a simple program, so naturally, they blame AA - a symptom of their own disease. True, it doesn't work for all, but it does work for some. Why isn't that fact sufficient for the haters? If you want to spend $30k on a medical recovery program, go for it. Still won't guarantee you sobriety. Congrats if you can do it alone. Most can't.
She's not a geneticist or a doctor. She doesn't know about any gene. Many people have quit regardless of any genetic excuse. Gary Oldman, Joe Namath, etc. Alcoholism is SUSPECT as a disease. If you grew up on an island with no booze, you'd be fine and scoff at any disease talk. Not so with cancer. Her winning a Tony and so on has nothing to do with willpower in other areas... Doctors get grant money for gene talk and get insurance money for calling it a disease. Think.
@RagingCapitalist Many people die from drinking because they've been conned by AA into thinking that they have a disease, and that it's incurable. It's a behavior pattern of avoiding problems rather than finding effective ways of dealing with them. AA is just a faith healing cult that teaches learned helplessness and dependence on the program of the 12 steps. Faith healing doesn't work. Google heart patients prayer study. Also, Google orange-papers. Why don't hospitals hire faith healers?
@jonesgerard Some do because they haven't learned about better options like SMART Recovery, SOS, Rational Recovery, etc., or because they've been fed misinformation by AA front groups, or because the person choosing is religious and actually believes that religion is the answer. If it's actually a disease, why isn't it treated like other diseases? What other diseases are cured with faith healing rather than actual medical or psychological, scientifically developed and tested treatment methods?
@jonesgerard Indeed a pill will never change what we are, nor our habits. But some pills DO eliminate "that" feeling very well known by all alcoholics, which is called CRAVING. That means a wonderful relief for the ones trying to quit drinking.
@gamerdaddy Craving dissipates within 24 hrs for another drink, within 100 hrs all traces of alcohol are gone from the body. Alkies experience a mental obsession which leads to that first drink, then they crave a second.
If the pills worked , AA would be empty because no-one at AA meetings wants to work the steps, they all seek a softer easier way.
Alcoholics drink against their will, I drank after 5 yrs dry because I thought 5 yrs proved I couldn't possibly be alcoholic. But I was. !
@RagingCapitalist Yes, I've read medical information on that. Have you? Then you would know it's potentially fatal for only a small fraction of drinkers. And they have the exact medicine to treat it that prevents death. And patients get over the DT's in less than one week. Drunks are full of old, abused excuses for drinking. But you bought into, it seems. Fished in. They make excuses for drinking ad nauseam. Check out "Lay off the sauce," a new documentary on how to quit, if U want to learn.
There are lots of organizations that can help, but for me I wanted to get sober, and I will go to any lengths to keet it, I have been four years sober because I do as suggested. That means going to meetings on a regular basis, getting a sponsor and working the programme of recovery of AA.
Disease or not isn’t the point, the only true fact of alcoholism, 100% effective in keeping the condition to a dull roar, is abstinence of the substance. Nobody chooses to be inflicted with any disease, for instance take cancer, certain cells take over and consume the body until either it kills you or it gets recognized that there is some disharmony in the body and gets treated accordingly. Abstinence of the substance is the only cure for alcoholism.
@anjilyn2 A behaviour is not a disease. You don't choose to have cancer. You can smoke a lot of cigarettes, but the cancer is the disease, not the smoking.
And no. regulating your god damn behaviour and acting like an adult is how you "cure" alcoholism. Same with food addiction. Stop eating so much and you're cured; you don't have to stop eating. My dad was an alcoholic. Now he drinks in moderation ie wine with dinner sometimes. And he doesn't act like a damn martyr like many alcoholics.
@AshillaBeige drinking is only part of the problem to most of those I know that suffer from this, &yes, the behavior is part & parcel to the solution. I was taught everything was okay in moderation, & I can only speak for myself that works fine 4 me. If you only take away the one part of the problem, ie. alcohol it still exists ~ the behavior must be addressed too otherwise ya just get a 'dry-drunk'. When the alcohol is physiologically affecting the body, then it must be stopped or it stops you
I admire how she admits she has a problem and she asked help to solve that. There are not many famous people who would do that. specially now when you're being judged by absolute strangers just for their own amusement.
Tough to tell if you were being serious when you said stupidity is genetic...It is what it is. It is pretty interesting how much disagreement there is over how to classify the problem. If it's not a disease, what is the problem with calling it a disease? It seems that there is something troubling to people who are not problem drinkers about labeling alcoholism a disease, and I don't understand why. Alcoholism/addiction does not excuse any type of other behavior. Disease is just a word
Liza is perhaps one of the most influential & inspirational people on Earth. Her words exactly are the sad fact but the truth I think if the government made more effort to concentrate on the underlying causes and research into alcoholism instead of "money and the avaliability of booze" early intervention is the key in controlling it like Liza said "you do not have to succumb to it you can live with it" as in managing it..(its a disease not a lack of willpower)
I love Liza but they heaven't "found" the gene that "causes" alcoholizm. They have found several things that can make you more likely to enjoy alcohol BUT they don't mean that you ARE going to be one a 100%.
I'm sorry to hear if anyone is struggling with drug addictions of any type. If you want help, and can't find help, or if the help you seek isn't helping you. Try what I have done. Accepted Jesus as Lord in your life. ask him to help you with your addiction, and make a vow to him that you will live for him. If you sincerely desire to stop your addiction then God will deliver you from that stronghold in your life.
Prepare for your life to be changed. Bless you. HE HAS DELIVERED ME : )
Ohhhhh geeeeeeeeeze!!, there goes the anonymyty and the 11th tradition. There she goes given the party line that AA does anything. Where is the conclusive evidence that it is a disiease. Where is the Xray, where is the blood test or any thing else. Any behavior can be progrerssive and if taken to the extreme any behavior can kill you. So wheer is the evidence of the disease? What I hear is a lot of conjustures and misinformation. And the outcome are extremely poor.
Ohhhhh geeeeeeeeeze!!, there goes the anonymyty and the 11th tradition. There she goes given the party line that AA does anything. Where is the conclusive evidence that it is a disiease. Where is the Xray, where is the blood test or any thing else. Any behavior can be progrerssive and if taken to the extreme any behavior can kill you. So wheer is the evidence of the disease?
I went to AA, I worked the 12 steps and rtecovered, its a spiritual disease and the solution is therefore spiritual in nature. Its very simple and I worked the steps in one week.
The very fact that most of the members at meetings attend AA for decades wihtout attempting to work the steps indicates how defiant the ego can be.
Most of the members have not recovered, they are still insane thinking they can sit there and get well without doing the work.
alcoholism isn't a Disease/illness??? then why does an alcoholic before they have a drink feel full of fear, have high anxiety levels,are too fearful to go thru the front door,have their own heads tell them that they can't do the most basic of tasks,climb the walls when they have the least amount of emotional pain,are plagued with self doubt,have a real feeling of failure before anything is started,a feeling of being less than their fellow man,depression,paranoia,negitivity,and on and on and on
@opendtuning The people you are directing this comment toward haven't experienced it. THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND what it's like. It is actually somewhat humorous that non-addicts really think it's solely a matter of choice. Even though I am 100% convinced alcoholism/addiction is a disease, even if it were not, treating it/addressing it "as a disease" would still be the best way of dealing with it. If you are struggling with this...IGNORE ANYBODY WHO TELLS YOU IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. IT"S NOT. Seek help
@kinkeezie absolutely, saying that it's a choice/ behaviour will create more doubt in the "Alcoholic" and make them more confused and set more apart from their own fellow human beings...when these non addicts have an "Alcoholic" child and it grows up into a hopeless drunk, I wonder if they will be still saying the old miss informed rubbish!!!
@opendtuning The thing is...And I tried to emphasize this in my response to your earlier comment is that someone who does not suffer from this condition COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND or relate to the reality of the condition. I was very skeptical myself, but I think that alcoholism/addiction both IS A DISEASE and is hereditary
I think Liza's ability to recover from her alcoholism and drug use, and the fact that she is still living now and past the age of her mother's passing, is a testament to strength.
She is so cull of shit. Both of my mother's parents were drunks, as well as most of my mother's 9 siblings. My mother is not an alcoholic, in fact she hardly ever drinks. It may be in your genes, but it doesn't mean you get to blame it all on your genes.
Anyone who is worried they have a problem with alcohol should attend an AA meeting, its better to be there thinking your not an alcoholic than out there drinking and knowing you are..
@CaressMee The success rate of those who attend AA meetings is no hire than those who attend no program. 5% in each case. There are many programs that do help and work. AA is not one of them.
I think If your mom was Judy there is a destructive sense of curiosity to imitate the parent to be close to her...to know what she was dealing with and contending with. To share the depths of depression in a sense makes you feel like your making a connection. I'm drawn to Liza, kind of woman I would like to look after. Enigmatic.
Alcoholism IS NOT A DISEASE...Get Real....Who cares on how many singing awards or whatever one has...A person makes a choice to drink alcohol. You drunks are ridiculous with your drunken genes...I suppose the cocaine, xtasy, marijuana, meth, quaaludes or whatever toxic crap your people shove in your bodies has a gene associated with them too..Admit it.You indulged..got hooked and youre stupid
@anygoon I guess you don't believe in a genetic basis for homosexuality either then. I think it very likely that she succumbed to alcoholism for the same reason as her mother: personal unhappiness even in the light of great success. Also, perhaps in large part BECAUSE that is what was modeled by her mother. What parents do teaches more than anything they can say. "Do as I say, not as I do" is not the way to parent.
If you stop an alcoholic drinking, they'll find another way to try to alter their blood sugar levels. Cigarettes, sweets (candy), coffee, tea. Even white bread will do it.
I think the genetic predisposition is there for some people but not everyone will reach for the bottle.
@herbal1971 ===I believe you! I am DYING for sugar after drinking night before. I can slam an entire 6 pack of Pepsi's real fast--then lay back down. When I totally quit alcohol, I need sugar still, and I noticed the bread thing too....I think I have hypoglycemia. I read about it.....
What a load of crap.Disease.Ha HA.She loves getting pissed end of.Period,as u say in the states.AA is religion.Period.Dont wanna drink, dont drink.Its simple.Choice is choice.
I love Liza as a performer and as a person, she's amazing and a legend, but this advise she claims to have, the "gene" to make people drink, is complete bull. To drink is still a decision that people have to consciously make.
Some people have an allergy to peanuts that can be almost fatal, but to say that peanuts can kill them still requires the person to eat them. Same with booze, you may be "allergic" or genetically weak to booze, but you still have to drink, to expose that vulnerability.
Liza you just gave thousands of vulnerable people really bad advise. Its not a disease, and struggling people dont need to hear that mumbo jumbo treatment jargon that keeps them recycling back through treatment doors. Its a choice most of us can easly over come!! I did it and have been very alcohol free for 18 years now and I really beleive if I had beleived it was a disease I would I would be diseased right now.
I find your video ground-breaking. I wish for all the world to wake up and see this. This is a powerful topic that resonates with many people.
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i think all the people saying that AA is a cult are people who can't take criticism or advice, they think AA is too harsh, & don't look at any of the positives like that it has saved peoples lives. nope, people would rather be negative just because daddy didn't hug them enough or some shit. . i suppose they shouldn't have NA or rehab for heroin addicts either, because sticking a needle in your arm and shooting drugs into your system IS A CHOICE just like ::gasp:: drinking!!!
@peechyq AA is a cult. It's a religious organization. You can be forced into it even if you're an atheist by the government. One of the steps is that you give yourself over to god and that you're "powerless"
Also, AA has the same success rates as going completely without therapy (about 5%).
But yes, addiction is a choice and should be treated as destructive behaviour and not a disease. That way people will realize there's no magic cure and that will power is what's key.
WOW why is everyone arguing about AA? if someone thinks they've hit bottom and want support i say go for it. those groups are not all sugar and spice; they tell you like it is no fluffy shit, and the " god " is really your will power, your state of mind, the " god " is really those people in that group helping you, kicking your ass, telling you don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out because believe me you can leave AA whenever the hell you want. so LET IT GO!
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Yes, I have battled with the booze since I was a youth and now I'm almost 49. Yet, I have managed to survive and pray for strength on a daily basis. Everybody loves a winner, so nobody loved me, lady peaceful, lady happy, ......
I find it my personal responsibility to spread the news to the still sick and suffering "addicts" out there that 12 step programs are harmful ineffective brain washing cults that steal your hope, your free will and your life!
and then you have people like me....everyone in my family are/were (rip) drunks! I married two. I can attract a drunk without even metting him face to face! I must have something imprinted on my forehead that says "choose her!" I went to AlAnon meeting for years and it helped me. I never did learn to understand the drunk. Oh and fyi, I dont drink. Love the taste but not what it does to me, so I dont. sighs Therein lies the rub.
I'm 25 years old, soon to be turning 26, but I drink at least 6 half litres of beer a day. I can't find a way how to live without drinking. Probably going to bicycle trip around the world or pilgrimage to Tibet could help me. But how the fuck could I go to Tibet if it is under control of Chinese commies!
self imposed infliction is not a disease!!! i'm an alcoholic, and its not that i couldn't stop myself from becomming one. Its just that i didn't give a fuck.
@broadcastmyass4u couldnt agree more.Its a shame some people need to hide behind a disease to justify there need of a drink.Good on ya mate atleast some of us know how to be honest about addiction.
haha typica cult attacks your not a real alki blah blah..i used to be past tense more of an alcoholic than you could imagine but heyy i dont need to explain myself.Moaning you say i prefer to call it telling the truth about the cookoo farm you have running called AA..whats God got to do with alcohol??Drinking alcohols to do with alcoholism..Hopefully you may recover one day lifes great sober!!
any real members of our wonderful God given fellowship , who still attend regualr meetings and work the 12 step programmee in their life, please don't rise to the bait put on here by the 'wanna be' alcoholics who have never even had a shandy and the ones who CHOSE to go back out and found they are not alcoholics but also want to slag us off because we made them look at their shallow self indulgent whimpering shitty pointless exsistances,, WE DON'T NEED YOU flakes,,
@spadge321 GodGivenFellowship...BS! Its a program of control and is A Cult...you know it...
* If anyone dares to criticize the Twelve Step Program (like I do), they are sure to be viciously maligned (as you have done) or ridiculed (as you have done) and, in some cases, portrayed as nothing short of a cold-blooded murderer (for discouraging people from attending meetings and thus contributing to their "relapse").
Not to mention if your AA-you inviolation of traditions which means you'll drink.duh
People don't understand that it can physically hurt not to have a drink. Once you have the first drink after the pain...it eases...but you cant stop until the pain is gone. The problem is that the pain is never really gone, it's just numbed until you pass out or worse. Ive been through the highs and lows of alcohol...and the highs are as high as the sky....the lows are suicide....
I did an interview with author Dr Simon Casey who specializes in helping people with addictions, mental illness and relationships. You can listen to it for free at my youtube channel. I hope this helps people out there that need information and support.
I have eight years as of yesterday. I rarely go to meetings anymore. My brother in law has 18 years and he rarely goes to meetings anymore. They are just hard to take after a while. But to each their own. Someone famous, like LIza Minnelli, might have a harder time staying clean because of their fame and privilege.
MrBodypro8 5 days ago
She has a point, but I find her really insufferable.
SethHesio 2 weeks ago
@gamerdaddy It's not the norm to be drinking alcohol. The norm is to not be drinking alcohol. Any method that suggests an alcoholic can keep on drinking and that he will achieve sobriety by doing this is absolutely ludicrous... and can take some drugs as well, absolutely ludicrous!
No one can claim that a treatment for alcoholism works after only 3 months of sobriety. If you are an alcoholic my suggestion to you is to drop this 'treatment' before you die, get back to AA and keep it simple.
jillb482 2 weeks ago
@gamerdaddy Lisa Minelli would not know B from a bulls foot. You recommend another new drug apparently on the market.
Do you say it replaces Antabuse (Disulfiram) A drug they have been trying without any luck since 1920. Someone is always trying to make money from alkies wanting to get sober.
Fact is AA is the only thing known to work with getting alcoholics sober and that's what it was set up for by The Oxford Group of Western Canada.
May I ask you how long you have been sober @gamerdaddy?
jillb482 2 weeks ago
@jillb482 Naltrexone does not have the same effect as Dissulfiram.
And the Sinclair Method is a tottaly different method: you take the medicine ONLY when you drink. Amazing, huh?
I've been sober for 3 months. The treatment took me about 4 months.
gamerdaddy 2 weeks ago
This is an excerpt from a story I wrote. Jan 21/ 2012 = eight years for me.
After a while I stopped going to AA meetings. There are things about AA that I don't like a whole lot. I don't necessarily believe I have a disease. If I do I didn't catch it off a toilet seat; maybe a bar stool. I don't need my addict/alcoholic behavior to be an identity. Why give it that much power? There was a choice in there somewhere. Otherwise how did I ever stop?
MrBodypro8 3 weeks ago
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gamerdaddy 2 weeks ago
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@MrBodypro8 I also see many things in AA that dislike me. I spent about 5 years of my life struggling alcoholism there, but it never really worked. I had periods of sobriety (1 month this year, 3 months that year), but these moments were filled with suffering/frustation.
But about Alcoholism being a disease, I have to agree with Liza because EVERY addiction rewires the neurones in a certain way. If you're interested check out the podcast "The Compass of Pleasure" in SoundCloud.
gamerdaddy 2 weeks ago
Does anyone know how long she has been sober? I don't agree with her about alcoholism being a disease. She is not a Dr and besides if she stops drinking alcohol she should not have any more associated problems. It appears she has fallen into the trap of thinking God will get her sober. Simply not true. I thought she still had a slur, what about you?
It's no use praying for sobriety. Avoid the spiritualists telling her to pray for sobriety. Learn how to survive from the blog How To Survive AA
jillb482 3 weeks ago
@jillb482 I have to agree with Liza Minelli when she says Alcoholism is a disease because it changes the wiring of neurones.
And there's already a medicine to treat Alcoholism. One that works! It's called Naltrexone. But it only works associated with the Sinclair method.
If you're interested, just collect data of "Sinclair Method". I am a living proof that this method is reliable.
gamerdaddy 2 weeks ago
Hey does anyone drink till breakfast time cos I can't do that. I find that scary. Like you're going into an abyss. What's to become of you? 5am is my limit. Even then... Never again. New Year ,there, 2:30 am and I headed for bed. I once knew a woman who'd binge right into the daylight hours and go looking for more. Jesus. That's frightening.
Kelly14UK 3 weeks ago
@Kelly14UK Yes, it is a nightmare. I know how it is by heart, because I had problems with drinking for years. One of my binges lasted three or four days!
I tried AA many times. It never worked for me...
But a medicine did! It's called Naltrexone. I took it associated with a treatment called "Sinclair Method".
I strongly recommend EVERY alcoholic to give it a try. In my case, the results were great!
gamerdaddy 2 weeks ago
@gamerdaddy I go months and I mean MONTHS without touching anything. Been keeping scores since January 1st 2003. I'll not go into details, but I'm winning easily. I know every calendar month I touched nothing. I'm famous for it in my circles. I'm the only one that uses the gym.
But yeah, I've got a real problem as I like it too much, and hangovers are hell on the mind. Really horrifying depression and anxiety attacks. Stuff stops me from eating properly too.
Good luck : )
Kelly14UK 2 weeks ago
Liza speaks the truth .. the daily reprieve is the key. Once you can grasp it .. one day at a time is not so hard to do ...
colindominy 1 month ago
liza is amazing! i love her (-: <3
xxfayerocksxx 1 month ago
Wow. I like Liza Minnelli, as she was a great friend of the late, great Michael Jackson (as was her ex-husband David Guest). They were such good friends with each other. And I'm hopeful that Michael gave them advice on marriage, too (since he had been married twice, and I'm sure he told Liza and David all about that). :) RIP, Michael.
MusicTributeVideo 1 month ago
Alcoholism is a bad habit, yes... at first... than it becomes a disease... it's not anything about an alcoholic gen or habit... but it's a fact that some people are easyer atracted to addictions... so... if you are.. and you don't like to be illegal... and you get to get used to some stuff regularely available in almost any store worldwide............ well... that's how you become an alcoholic very easely...
mikehitz 1 month ago
sausage (hogmeat) Sausage! (hogmeat) SAUSAGE!! (hogmeat) S_A_W_S_A_G_E!!! (hogmeat) wtf dude, who are you talking to? FUCK OFF
mikeejay63 1 month ago
"You've only got one day at a time, don't blow it" means you're not committed to tomorrow. "I'll stay sober today, but I reserve the right to relapse tomorrow." She's battled addiction for decades, according to bios. She can't make up her mind that she's going to stay sober for the rest of her life. Not entirely her fault -- AA teaches this nonsense, along with powerlessness. The NIAAA 2001-2002 survey found that 75% who achieved sobriety did it without AA or any treatment at all. No wonder!
BlatzBeer 2 months ago
The lesson here..avoid strong drink,stick to the beer.
sysrq120 2 months ago
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Discovered the gene.. yeah, right. Dumb whore is DUMB.
Ruflcopta 2 months ago
@Ruflcopta she got that from an actual study, read the study then call her names, you can argue with their findings but she didnt make anything up.
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@sweeney60 She may have been misinformed, alright, but her saying "THIS IS A DISEASE" is why I say she's retarded. People need to learn what a disease is before they try to say their bad habits are one, on TV.
Ruflcopta 2 months ago
@Ruflcopta well people it starts off as bad habits, but it develops into something you cant control hence why they call it disease, they dont mean disease in the traditional sense.
sweeney60 2 months ago
@sweeney60 It's a damned addiction, no other than cigarettes or cocaine. It's just that alcohol is legal and readily available at almost everyone's house and all parties.
Ruflcopta 2 months ago
she's drunk
conman2317 3 months ago
The "You've only got one day at a time, don't blow it." seems like a good line to live by at letting go of any addiction.
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I like how she talks about will power. It's like, don't fucking tell me I don't have the discipline or are too lazy to overcome this when my whole career is will power and discipline. Gene or no gene, psychological or physical, it's a disease. And once you know the REAL definition of "disease" then one would know better. Don't be a dick about it just because you don't have to deal with it.
jaraandrew100 4 months ago
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jaraandrew100 4 months ago
Don't judge anyone until you've walked a mile in THEIR shoes.
phlashba 4 months ago
@phlashba.....Well said.
mistressmeeker 4 months ago
I have nothing at all against Liza Minelli but I'm not as convinced alcoholism is genetic. It's an addictive substance, anyone can become an alcoholic if they build a dependency on the drug. She was probably more apt because of her mother not because it was genetic but because she'd seen the worst and probably always compared herself to it. Getting a little bit drunk or frequently drunk wasn't nearly as bad as what she'd seen so she let herself drink more without realizing it's effect.
GlanceofGlory 4 months ago
My little brother drank since we were in highschool. He never stopped drinking - we are now in our 50s. I drank a little back then but I never liked it. He tried to stop and had to be rushed to hosp because he was having siezures. They had to put him a medically induced coma and life support till his body/brain could adjust to no alcohol. He tried to stop so many times but relapsed. I noticed that he always got hyper when he drank and I did not. Something is going on there so I believe Liza!
scris4u 4 months ago
I loved Liza in her hey-day and I can see the obvious effects the alcoholism has had on her thinking. There is a thing called Alcohol dementia which is hard to diagnose and yet is so challenging for family members to deal with. I wish her the best.
Di4545 5 months ago
Alcoholism is a disease. Anyone that has grown up in a household where a parent is an alcoholic eventually learns that. Al Anon teaches that it indeed is a disease. No one can help the alcoholic unless they are willing to be helped. I am a completely sober child of an alcoholic. I have an addictive personality and so my addiction is food. The addictive behaviours or tendencies may be in the genes and/or taught throught the years. No one knows for sure although there are many opinions.
Di4545 5 months ago
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HEVNAWE 3 months ago
gene for alcoholism, may I ask the exact molecular structure? (fucking dumbass failure of a human organism)
conman2317 5 months ago
@conman2317 GABRG3 was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families. Yes, it also involves A LOT of societal, cultural, and family influence (like most genes anyways) but it is linked. Of course, NO scientists know for certian.
jaraandrew100 4 months ago
It's not a gene that is bullshit, it's a choice which will eventually turn into a bad pattern.
TheSjpatrik 5 months ago
@TheSjpatrik GABRG3 was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families. Yes, it also involves A LOT of societal, cultural, and family influence (like most genes anyways) but it is linked. Of course, NO scientists know for certian.
jaraandrew100 4 months ago
@johnandrewjames:
Idiots like you should be forced to submit to an IQ test before you are allowed to vote or breed.
SFCMAC57 5 months ago
shes so wise
musicbabylove1 5 months ago
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Episcopos1 5 months ago
Alcohoism and other manifestations of self destruction are all about a fear of life and unhappiness with ourselves, whatever people tell themselves to the contrary
TheKenfig 5 months ago
@TheKenfig Well your wrong buddy. I grew with alcohol easily available without consequences since I was 12 years old. I'm honestly happy with my life but I still battle drinking. Im only 20 now.
F350With460engine 5 months ago
@F350With460engine Nah, it's the way it is even though folk live in denial about it. No one is attracted to intoxication unless they want to escape ; fact. Somehow, upon closer inspection, they are deeply unhappy about something within themselves however difficult it might be to find or however small ; there is SOME low self esteem, lack of confidence or some inhibitions stopping them feeling free and fearless
TheKenfig 5 months ago
another classic is "dont be SILLY" ; what is THAT to a child ??, and "Dont be NAUGHTY", or "That's naughty", when perhaps it isn't at all, but is said by parents just for the sake of it because they are mixed up and have bad nerves, but all these things have an effect on a child unconsciously. Parents are often like little kids because they ARE partly little kids, who have developed to one degree or another but many not healthy and cant cope themselves. But kids are NOT EVER 'little adults'
TheKenfig 5 months ago
This impsoses paranoid feelings on a child and weird unsubstantiated ideas about life and others that a child internalises and if they're unhealthy, we accept them because they're from our first and most important role models. It can suppress our spontaneity through self- consciousness and make us ill or help us avoid reality
TheKenfig 5 months ago
....and they can with their ideas and ideals, which may be inconsistent, contradictory and even hypocritical because they have had the same conditioning, are imposed on us and can frighten us for life. Too much 'superego' prevents us from progessing as it makes us too guilty, like we have murdered someone.We cant deal with it."What will OTHER people think of you ?" ; "THEY will think you're this / that" (for doing / being / saying that) ; "People are this / that ; you cant get TOO close to them"
TheKenfig 5 months ago
@trakomako No it's not a disease on it's own. It is a particular by product of unhappiness which people want to escape from one way or another. It's about anesthetic because they find it hard to cope with themselves and other people. Depression is the same thing ; alcoholism / depression go hand in hand. Depression is controversial because however intelligent some are, theyre stupid enough to believe there is either endogenous OR reactive depression. ALL depressions are BOTH, not one of them
TheKenfig 5 months ago
@TheKenfig alcoholism / depression go hand in hand because there is no difference, both arise from the self.
I am my alcoholism, my depression is me being me.
I tried all the meds, they didn't work, how could they when I was causing it.
When I stopped being a self centered asshole ... I got well.
Ego don't go down easy , thats for sure.
jonesgerard 5 months ago
@jonesgerard Yes, I meant that really ; one is other although depression can find another 'fix'. like eating disorders as well. I often think that emotional difficulties come fro a weak, not adequately formed Ego
TheKenfig 5 months ago
@TheKenfig It seemed that way for me but it was a lie my ego told.
It told me I just needed to boost my self esteem to "feel good".
My feelings almost killed me.
The truth is I had more esteem for myself than any human ought to.
I felt bad because the world failed to recognize my magnificance.,
What I lacked was esteem for others.
My ego was bloated, not formed in a healthy way because I had failed puberty, I became afraid.
Where God should reside my ego sat. Ego is quite mad.
jonesgerard 5 months ago
@jonesgerard We have to get these labels into perspective : we cant seperate 'ego' as it is abstract a concept, although a concept it is ; it sounds like I'm saying obvious elementary textbook stuff, but really our superego is formed finally and it 'splits' from the ego. I think that really it is right that it is our environment and parents and other family members 'fault' for want of a better word, that people are screwed up because of their influences on the child.They can cause conflict in us
TheKenfig 5 months ago
@TheKenfig Ego is sentient.
jonesgerard 5 months ago
@jonesgerard Yes, it is almost imposible to comprehend what it is without the concept of what is refered to as the ego, because only newborn babies usually dont have one and apparently some severe psychotics but that's different from not having one. All I'm saying is that 'Id' & 'Superego' conflicts with the ego have to be taken into consideration and form a huge source of emotional problems through fear and guilt management
TheKenfig 5 months ago
For those who seem to be claiming it isn't genetic, I ask the simple question -- why do nearly 100% of Native Americans who drink become alcoholic?
mckyj57 6 months ago 2
Gene for alcoholism? "Heredity May Play Part in Drinking Habits" is misleading. There is no evidence whatsoever that attitudes toward drinking are hereditary. There are familial, societal, and cultural attitudes toward alcohol consumption but this does not mean that they have a genetic" via medicinenet(dot)com/script/main/art(dot)asp?articlekey=26119
beautifulmind546 6 months ago
She's wrong.
AA doesn't term it a disease, a spiritual disease yes.
jonesgerard 6 months ago
i have had a bad life. and it is BS that it is just a disease. these people are weak and are cry babies. live through what i have straight headed. they are bull shit.pat us straight ppl on the back that make it through hard times straight.
sweetkittytwine 6 months ago
"alcoholism" is NOT a disease it's a lifestyle.
SFCMAC57 6 months ago
@SFCMAC57 Alcoholism is a disease. I know it is.
iandy69 6 months ago
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Yeah right. That alcohol gets into a person's body by osmosis....or genetic malfunction like cancer...
Sorry sweetcakes, but no one put a gun to her head and forced her to drink. Funny how lunkheads like you will blame the alcohol by calling the consumption a "disease" instead of blaming the drinker.
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@iandy69
No, it is not.
SFCMAC57 5 months ago
@SFCMAC57
you are an idiot. dont have kids
johnandrewjames 6 months ago
@SFCMAC57 Alcoholism doesn't deserve the moniker 'lifestyle' cause it's certainly no way to live your life.
CArownny 6 months ago
If you haven't dealt with such issues, you really shouldn't comment.
XBreezyBooX 6 months ago
Seems a lot of these comments are from ppl w/ little knowledge or experience w/ AA or who have relapsed & are bitter w/ themselves for their inability to follow a simple program, so naturally, they blame AA - a symptom of their own disease. True, it doesn't work for all, but it does work for some. Why isn't that fact sufficient for the haters? If you want to spend $30k on a medical recovery program, go for it. Still won't guarantee you sobriety. Congrats if you can do it alone. Most can't.
mhawthorne 6 months ago
She's not a geneticist or a doctor. She doesn't know about any gene. Many people have quit regardless of any genetic excuse. Gary Oldman, Joe Namath, etc. Alcoholism is SUSPECT as a disease. If you grew up on an island with no booze, you'd be fine and scoff at any disease talk. Not so with cancer. Her winning a Tony and so on has nothing to do with willpower in other areas... Doctors get grant money for gene talk and get insurance money for calling it a disease. Think.
DexterHaven49 7 months ago
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RagingCapitalist 6 months ago
@RagingCapitalist Many people die from drinking because they've been conned by AA into thinking that they have a disease, and that it's incurable. It's a behavior pattern of avoiding problems rather than finding effective ways of dealing with them. AA is just a faith healing cult that teaches learned helplessness and dependence on the program of the 12 steps. Faith healing doesn't work. Google heart patients prayer study. Also, Google orange-papers. Why don't hospitals hire faith healers?
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 "Why don't hospitals hire faith healers?"
Why do hospitals send alcoholics to AA ?
jonesgerard 6 months ago
@jonesgerard Some do because they haven't learned about better options like SMART Recovery, SOS, Rational Recovery, etc., or because they've been fed misinformation by AA front groups, or because the person choosing is religious and actually believes that religion is the answer. If it's actually a disease, why isn't it treated like other diseases? What other diseases are cured with faith healing rather than actual medical or psychological, scientifically developed and tested treatment methods?
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Overeaters annonymous.
Narcotics annonymous.
Cocaine annonymous, theres 200 different programs all based on the steps.
AA doesn't term it a disease, thats the AMA.
My shrink recommended AA because he knows it works.
That was over 10 yrs ago, haven't seen him since or needed meds.
If it was a disease there would be a pill that works, but there isn't.
It works and its very simple, I don't go to AA meetings because they're kinda nuts.
jonesgerard 6 months ago
@jonesgerard But THERE ARE pills! Haven't you ever heard of Naltrexone or Topiramate!?
gamerdaddy 5 months ago
@gamerdaddy Doctors don't like prescribing what they know doesn't work.
Just because they sell a pill doesn't mean theres a pill that works.
Alcoholism is the result of selfishness, there is no pill for what we are.
Its a state of being that a spiritual experience can change.
Its not possible to have an authentic spiritual experience with pills.
jonesgerard 5 months ago
@jonesgerard Indeed a pill will never change what we are, nor our habits. But some pills DO eliminate "that" feeling very well known by all alcoholics, which is called CRAVING. That means a wonderful relief for the ones trying to quit drinking.
Therefore, you can say it works! :D
gamerdaddy 5 months ago
@gamerdaddy Craving dissipates within 24 hrs for another drink, within 100 hrs all traces of alcohol are gone from the body. Alkies experience a mental obsession which leads to that first drink, then they crave a second.
If the pills worked , AA would be empty because no-one at AA meetings wants to work the steps, they all seek a softer easier way.
Alcoholics drink against their will, I drank after 5 yrs dry because I thought 5 yrs proved I couldn't possibly be alcoholic. But I was. !
jonesgerard 5 months ago
@RagingCapitalist They die?
Lady on TV: That's what killed your father. Drink and sex!!
Benny Hill: Yeah, he couldn't get either. So he shot himself...
DexterHaven49 6 months ago
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RagingCapitalist 6 months ago
@RagingCapitalist Yes, I've read medical information on that. Have you? Then you would know it's potentially fatal for only a small fraction of drinkers. And they have the exact medicine to treat it that prevents death. And patients get over the DT's in less than one week. Drunks are full of old, abused excuses for drinking. But you bought into, it seems. Fished in. They make excuses for drinking ad nauseam. Check out "Lay off the sauce," a new documentary on how to quit, if U want to learn.
DexterHaven49 6 months ago
10 year coin life beyond my wildest dreams friend of Bill is a friend of mine
zappadead13 8 months ago
There are lots of organizations that can help, but for me I wanted to get sober, and I will go to any lengths to keet it, I have been four years sober because I do as suggested. That means going to meetings on a regular basis, getting a sponsor and working the programme of recovery of AA.
CaressMee 8 months ago
Balls to you!
conman2317 9 months ago
Well she knows what she's talking about, she got drunk and married a fag.
Ranlon 9 months ago
@Ranlon LMFAO
chakazulu87 7 months ago
Yes, a disease. A body allergy coupled with a mental obsession. I hope it never affects you or anyone you know or love. It's deadly.
timothylea04 9 months ago
Disease or not isn’t the point, the only true fact of alcoholism, 100% effective in keeping the condition to a dull roar, is abstinence of the substance. Nobody chooses to be inflicted with any disease, for instance take cancer, certain cells take over and consume the body until either it kills you or it gets recognized that there is some disharmony in the body and gets treated accordingly. Abstinence of the substance is the only cure for alcoholism.
anjilyn2 9 months ago
@anjilyn2 A behaviour is not a disease. You don't choose to have cancer. You can smoke a lot of cigarettes, but the cancer is the disease, not the smoking.
And no. regulating your god damn behaviour and acting like an adult is how you "cure" alcoholism. Same with food addiction. Stop eating so much and you're cured; you don't have to stop eating. My dad was an alcoholic. Now he drinks in moderation ie wine with dinner sometimes. And he doesn't act like a damn martyr like many alcoholics.
AshillaBeige 8 months ago
@AshillaBeige drinking is only part of the problem to most of those I know that suffer from this, &yes, the behavior is part & parcel to the solution. I was taught everything was okay in moderation, & I can only speak for myself that works fine 4 me. If you only take away the one part of the problem, ie. alcohol it still exists ~ the behavior must be addressed too otherwise ya just get a 'dry-drunk'. When the alcohol is physiologically affecting the body, then it must be stopped or it stops you
anjilyn2 8 months ago
I admire how she admits she has a problem and she asked help to solve that. There are not many famous people who would do that. specially now when you're being judged by absolute strangers just for their own amusement.
strawberrycurrant 9 months ago
AA is not gonna keep you away from alcohol. YOU will keep yourself away from alcohol. AA is just as support group.
DRDNIBOY 9 months ago
@DRDNIBOY Very true. Faith and a desire to stop the self torment are key to move on.
Kasbahkabaret 9 months ago
A fucken disease?
The only disease that exists in belief systems, social systems and choice mechanisms...
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
It's a way of addicts to blame someone else besides themselves.
ItBrandonSilver 10 months ago
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Perhaps that's the REAL disease - a pathological incapacity to take responsibility.
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
Rational recovery,motivational interviewing,mapping, these are all valid alternatives to a 70 year old outdated religous program....Enjoy your day :)
bradfordromeo1 10 months ago
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Tough to tell if you were being serious when you said stupidity is genetic...It is what it is. It is pretty interesting how much disagreement there is over how to classify the problem. If it's not a disease, what is the problem with calling it a disease? It seems that there is something troubling to people who are not problem drinkers about labeling alcoholism a disease, and I don't understand why. Alcoholism/addiction does not excuse any type of other behavior. Disease is just a word
kinkeezie 10 months ago
Girl at 01:18
kinkeezie 10 months ago
Liza is perhaps one of the most influential & inspirational people on Earth. Her words exactly are the sad fact but the truth I think if the government made more effort to concentrate on the underlying causes and research into alcoholism instead of "money and the avaliability of booze" early intervention is the key in controlling it like Liza said "you do not have to succumb to it you can live with it" as in managing it..(its a disease not a lack of willpower)
faithoffaith 11 months ago
I love Liza but they heaven't "found" the gene that "causes" alcoholizm. They have found several things that can make you more likely to enjoy alcohol BUT they don't mean that you ARE going to be one a 100%.
maszlagma 11 months ago
NOT A DISEASE
trilobite3339 1 year ago
Tell us what you saw Liza about your drunken mother? was she like mommy dearest joan crawford? not sweet little dorothy...
whatigot2say 1 year ago
Alcoholism is not a disease. It may be a disorder but it is NOT a disease.
pistelboy 1 year ago
Oh they found the 'gene' that causes this 'disease'..ha ha ha
OrangeFuzz123 1 year ago
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TheIggy457 1 year ago
I heard it again GOD???? if i gotta believe in god then im fucked cause there aint no god,,just like there aint no santa claus.
hanoitwin 1 year ago
Ohhhhh geeeeeeeeeze!!, there goes the anonymyty and the 11th tradition. There she goes given the party line that AA does anything. Where is the conclusive evidence that it is a disiease. Where is the Xray, where is the blood test or any thing else. Any behavior can be progrerssive and if taken to the extreme any behavior can kill you. So wheer is the evidence of the disease? What I hear is a lot of conjustures and misinformation. And the outcome are extremely poor.
Picaro1 1 year ago
Ohhhhh geeeeeeeeeze!!, there goes the anonymyty and the 11th tradition. There she goes given the party line that AA does anything. Where is the conclusive evidence that it is a disiease. Where is the Xray, where is the blood test or any thing else. Any behavior can be progrerssive and if taken to the extreme any behavior can kill you. So wheer is the evidence of the disease?
Picaro1 1 year ago
I have a new found respect for her .
No one wants to be an alcoholic, they drink cause they cant help it .....
BollockMcTesticles 1 year ago
It's not a disease. Whatever effect the genes have is only one of the components.
winstono75 1 year ago
I went to AA, I worked the 12 steps and rtecovered, its a spiritual disease and the solution is therefore spiritual in nature. Its very simple and I worked the steps in one week.
The very fact that most of the members at meetings attend AA for decades wihtout attempting to work the steps indicates how defiant the ego can be.
Most of the members have not recovered, they are still insane thinking they can sit there and get well without doing the work.
That doesn't mean AA don't work.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
alcoholism isn't a Disease/illness??? then why does an alcoholic before they have a drink feel full of fear, have high anxiety levels,are too fearful to go thru the front door,have their own heads tell them that they can't do the most basic of tasks,climb the walls when they have the least amount of emotional pain,are plagued with self doubt,have a real feeling of failure before anything is started,a feeling of being less than their fellow man,depression,paranoia,negitivity,and on and on and on
opendtuning 1 year ago
@opendtuning there is a good start to what it is like if that is not an illness then behavioural condition is surely a very powerful entity
opendtuning 1 year ago
@opendtuning The people you are directing this comment toward haven't experienced it. THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND what it's like. It is actually somewhat humorous that non-addicts really think it's solely a matter of choice. Even though I am 100% convinced alcoholism/addiction is a disease, even if it were not, treating it/addressing it "as a disease" would still be the best way of dealing with it. If you are struggling with this...IGNORE ANYBODY WHO TELLS YOU IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. IT"S NOT. Seek help
kinkeezie 10 months ago
@kinkeezie absolutely, saying that it's a choice/ behaviour will create more doubt in the "Alcoholic" and make them more confused and set more apart from their own fellow human beings...when these non addicts have an "Alcoholic" child and it grows up into a hopeless drunk, I wonder if they will be still saying the old miss informed rubbish!!!
opendtuning 10 months ago
@opendtuning The thing is...And I tried to emphasize this in my response to your earlier comment is that someone who does not suffer from this condition COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND or relate to the reality of the condition. I was very skeptical myself, but I think that alcoholism/addiction both IS A DISEASE and is hereditary
rcureton 10 months ago
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opendtuning 1 year ago
I think Liza's ability to recover from her alcoholism and drug use, and the fact that she is still living now and past the age of her mother's passing, is a testament to strength.
outinsider 1 year ago
she's bettering herself now. plain and simple.
matboy891 1 year ago
She is so cull of shit. Both of my mother's parents were drunks, as well as most of my mother's 9 siblings. My mother is not an alcoholic, in fact she hardly ever drinks. It may be in your genes, but it doesn't mean you get to blame it all on your genes.
jessisbest236 1 year ago
Anyone who is worried they have a problem with alcohol should attend an AA meeting, its better to be there thinking your not an alcoholic than out there drinking and knowing you are..
CaressMee 1 year ago 7
@CaressMee The success rate of those who attend AA meetings is no hire than those who attend no program. 5% in each case. There are many programs that do help and work. AA is not one of them.
AshillaBeige 8 months ago
@AshillaBeige A A is a fail proof program it's the people in the program that fail!!
take3x3 6 months ago
I think If your mom was Judy there is a destructive sense of curiosity to imitate the parent to be close to her...to know what she was dealing with and contending with. To share the depths of depression in a sense makes you feel like your making a connection. I'm drawn to Liza, kind of woman I would like to look after. Enigmatic.
arniemazmax 1 year ago
Alcoholism IS NOT A DISEASE...Get Real....Who cares on how many singing awards or whatever one has...A person makes a choice to drink alcohol. You drunks are ridiculous with your drunken genes...I suppose the cocaine, xtasy, marijuana, meth, quaaludes or whatever toxic crap your people shove in your bodies has a gene associated with them too..Admit it.You indulged..got hooked and youre stupid
anygoon 1 year ago
@anygoon I guess you don't believe in a genetic basis for homosexuality either then. I think it very likely that she succumbed to alcoholism for the same reason as her mother: personal unhappiness even in the light of great success. Also, perhaps in large part BECAUSE that is what was modeled by her mother. What parents do teaches more than anything they can say. "Do as I say, not as I do" is not the way to parent.
laytf7 1 year ago
IT'S A BLOOD SUGAR DISORDER.
Sorry to shout. :)
If you stop an alcoholic drinking, they'll find another way to try to alter their blood sugar levels. Cigarettes, sweets (candy), coffee, tea. Even white bread will do it.
I think the genetic predisposition is there for some people but not everyone will reach for the bottle.
"reactive hypoglycemia"
herbal1971 1 year ago
@herbal1971 ===I believe you! I am DYING for sugar after drinking night before. I can slam an entire 6 pack of Pepsi's real fast--then lay back down. When I totally quit alcohol, I need sugar still, and I noticed the bread thing too....I think I have hypoglycemia. I read about it.....
giaisbomb 1 year ago
What a load of crap.Disease.Ha HA.She loves getting pissed end of.Period,as u say in the states.AA is religion.Period.Dont wanna drink, dont drink.Its simple.Choice is choice.
acky777 1 year ago
@acky777 You're clearly not an alcoholic.
Have you experienced any kind of addiction? If so, you'll know "don't" doesn't come into it.
herbal1971 1 year ago
I love Liza as a performer and as a person, she's amazing and a legend, but this advise she claims to have, the "gene" to make people drink, is complete bull. To drink is still a decision that people have to consciously make.
Some people have an allergy to peanuts that can be almost fatal, but to say that peanuts can kill them still requires the person to eat them. Same with booze, you may be "allergic" or genetically weak to booze, but you still have to drink, to expose that vulnerability.
ccheng21 1 year ago
There must be a cure for alcoholism. It's 21st century, the era of science and technology, not the fucking medieval times!
helpermethod 1 year ago
If it is a disease then you need to find a cure. Living with the disease is not the way to cure it.
helpermethod 1 year ago
Kind of ageless isn’t she?
MegaFunMovies 1 year ago
She's right - "you got 24 hours, don't blow it." It is that simple
Brunogirlfriend 1 year ago
i am an alcoholic AND I LOVE HER ONE DAY I WILL BE BETTER THAN MYSELF
TheSgarner 1 year ago
it's NOT a disease, that's a cop out, it's just a bad habit
cbarrett34 1 year ago
Liza you just gave thousands of vulnerable people really bad advise. Its not a disease, and struggling people dont need to hear that mumbo jumbo treatment jargon that keeps them recycling back through treatment doors. Its a choice most of us can easly over come!! I did it and have been very alcohol free for 18 years now and I really beleive if I had beleived it was a disease I would I would be diseased right now.
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DoctorEllenTherapist 1 year ago
you know, they also found a gene for reality tv show addiction....my mother suffers from it and it has also grabbed me...
TheHoliday555 1 year ago
Whatever....
chukchee 1 year ago
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12stepp 1 year ago
A Lack Of Will Power?... I Dont Think So!!!... Bravo Liza!!!
Alaniebee 1 year ago 15
shes stupid.
217789jimbo 1 year ago
never bought that disease concept
mtbluzman 1 year ago
i think all the people saying that AA is a cult are people who can't take criticism or advice, they think AA is too harsh, & don't look at any of the positives like that it has saved peoples lives. nope, people would rather be negative just because daddy didn't hug them enough or some shit. . i suppose they shouldn't have NA or rehab for heroin addicts either, because sticking a needle in your arm and shooting drugs into your system IS A CHOICE just like ::gasp:: drinking!!!
peechyq 1 year ago
@peechyq AA is a cult. It's a religious organization. You can be forced into it even if you're an atheist by the government. One of the steps is that you give yourself over to god and that you're "powerless"
Also, AA has the same success rates as going completely without therapy (about 5%).
But yes, addiction is a choice and should be treated as destructive behaviour and not a disease. That way people will realize there's no magic cure and that will power is what's key.
bigalisme 1 year ago
WOW why is everyone arguing about AA? if someone thinks they've hit bottom and want support i say go for it. those groups are not all sugar and spice; they tell you like it is no fluffy shit, and the " god " is really your will power, your state of mind, the " god " is really those people in that group helping you, kicking your ass, telling you don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out because believe me you can leave AA whenever the hell you want. so LET IT GO!
peechyq 1 year ago
The number one drug problem in this country is alcohol, not herion or pot. I know I am an emergency room physician.
earlyperl 1 year ago
@earlyperl Not surprising
kinkeezie 10 months ago
You are 100 percent right Liza. Glad you live one day at a time and don't blow it.
Kitten986 1 year ago 12
the answer to your question is in your question...o.........k
shealways 1 year ago
the gene is not alcoholism - it's addiction... and yes, it's passed on, and unfortunately its out of our control.
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deadadelta 1 year ago
Yes, I have battled with the booze since I was a youth and now I'm almost 49. Yet, I have managed to survive and pray for strength on a daily basis. Everybody loves a winner, so nobody loved me, lady peaceful, lady happy, ......
conchaperez 1 year ago
LOve you so LIZA......thanks for the Love, and the Joy......u r so Loved.
nealbrice 1 year ago
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I find it my personal responsibility to spread the news to the still sick and suffering "addicts" out there that 12 step programs are harmful ineffective brain washing cults that steal your hope, your free will and your life!
jenpadian 1 year ago
and then you have people like me....everyone in my family are/were (rip) drunks! I married two. I can attract a drunk without even metting him face to face! I must have something imprinted on my forehead that says "choose her!" I went to AlAnon meeting for years and it helped me. I never did learn to understand the drunk. Oh and fyi, I dont drink. Love the taste but not what it does to me, so I dont. sighs Therein lies the rub.
hugsdebra 1 year ago
Hahaha I don't want to get off on a tangent here but check out the stupid bitch nodding and clapping with approval at 1:20.
DylanTownesDrake 1 year ago
Go LIZA!!!!!!!
U RULE!!!!!!
CoolBeagle 1 year ago
I'm 25 years old, soon to be turning 26, but I drink at least 6 half litres of beer a day. I can't find a way how to live without drinking. Probably going to bicycle trip around the world or pilgrimage to Tibet could help me. But how the fuck could I go to Tibet if it is under control of Chinese commies!
helpermethod 1 year ago
self imposed infliction is not a disease!!! i'm an alcoholic, and its not that i couldn't stop myself from becomming one. Its just that i didn't give a fuck.
broadcastmyass4u 1 year ago
@broadcastmyass4u couldnt agree more.Its a shame some people need to hide behind a disease to justify there need of a drink.Good on ya mate atleast some of us know how to be honest about addiction.
bradfordromeo1 1 year ago
haha typica cult attacks your not a real alki blah blah..i used to be past tense more of an alcoholic than you could imagine but heyy i dont need to explain myself.Moaning you say i prefer to call it telling the truth about the cookoo farm you have running called AA..whats God got to do with alcohol??Drinking alcohols to do with alcoholism..Hopefully you may recover one day lifes great sober!!
bradfordromeo1 1 year ago
any real members of our wonderful God given fellowship , who still attend regualr meetings and work the 12 step programmee in their life, please don't rise to the bait put on here by the 'wanna be' alcoholics who have never even had a shandy and the ones who CHOSE to go back out and found they are not alcoholics but also want to slag us off because we made them look at their shallow self indulgent whimpering shitty pointless exsistances,, WE DON'T NEED YOU flakes,,
spadge321 1 year ago
@spadge321 GodGivenFellowship...BS! Its a program of control and is A Cult...you know it...
* If anyone dares to criticize the Twelve Step Program (like I do), they are sure to be viciously maligned (as you have done) or ridiculed (as you have done) and, in some cases, portrayed as nothing short of a cold-blooded murderer (for discouraging people from attending meetings and thus contributing to their "relapse").
Not to mention if your AA-you inviolation of traditions which means you'll drink.duh
kc1964kc 1 year ago
@kc1964kc well said
bradfordromeo1 1 year ago
People don't understand that it can physically hurt not to have a drink. Once you have the first drink after the pain...it eases...but you cant stop until the pain is gone. The problem is that the pain is never really gone, it's just numbed until you pass out or worse. Ive been through the highs and lows of alcohol...and the highs are as high as the sky....the lows are suicide....
premarcrules 1 year ago
@premarcrules Yes that is what people who aren't alcoholics can't relate to...For some people it legitimately hurts to not drink
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FrankBKermit 1 year ago
aww liza.. im glad that ive been able to see her in concert!
Pixiegnom 1 year ago