Spanish Civil War Chapter 3: The Politics of war

[NeuKrofta]

POUM was marxist btw

[DonLNjerez]

What's the name of the movie that u were showing pieces of clips

[Rickdeckard2020]

Thank you for this video

[91Tribual]

change the narrator. americans cant narrate

[dogfighter257]

@91Tribual

well this one just did. :P

[Donryall]

Viva la Falange!

[rickcain2320]

@Donryall

did you live in Spain under Franco? I suspect not.

[Donryall]

@rickcain2320

I didnt have to live there to recognize a righteous cause or damn good politics when I see it.

[artygunnar]

and to mr Jagles

[dogfighter257]

@artygunnar yes, I suppose he did create the assignment...

[galego4]

Falangism is not fascism. It is an anticapitalist movement based on the idea of individual equality and Spanish sovereingty. It is a political ideology that defends a worker's right to make a decent living. It rejected political ideologies that subordinated Spain to another country. There was no totalitarianism or anti-semitism in falngism.

[vanpablo79]

@galego4 bullsh#t

[galego4]

@vanpablo79 Look it up, chief. Falnagism is way to the left of capitalism. Fascism has become a catch all word to describe totalitarian dictatorships.

By the way, great, very erudite response. Is that the best you could say?

[dogfighter257]

@galego4 You're right that fascism is way to the left of capitalism, but I think it's more than just a "catch all word to describe totalitarian dictatorships". After all, Stalin was a totalitarian dictator and he was anything but a fascist. (Franco was totalitarian as well) Fascism was based on the worker's right to make a decent living through national unity. This was true in Nazi Germany and Italy as well, not just in Spain. The Nazi party is literally the "National Socialist Party".

[galego4]

@dogfighter257 You are right. Franco was a totalitarian, but he was not a Falangist. My grandfather fought on his side, after swearing allegiance to the Republic. He was disappointed by the intrusion of the Russians and the idea 0f Spain becoming a soviet state. My mother still remembers having to escape through the window of her catholic school becuse it had been set on fire by the "reds" while the children were still in it. Sapin needed change, to be sure. The church had too much power,

[dogfighter257]

@galego4 Funny, my grandfather had an almost identical story. He was forced to fight for the Republic because his town fell to their side upon the start of the war. Then midway through he defected to the Nationalist side because of their poor effectiveness and Soviet influence. That is a terrible story about your mother though, there was so much brutality during the war. My grandmother was in Madrid and she starved so much that she was forced to eat grass due to the Nationalist siege of the city

[galego4]

@dogfighter257 Falangism was a movement in the correct direction. It was "used" for political means. It advocated equality and freedom for all. Being a nationalist movement, it repudiated foreign intervention. The left had the Russians and the International Brigades. Franco was forced into alliances with people he didn't like but who, like him and many spaniards, did not want his country to become a political experiment and a Russian puppet state.

[dogfighter257]

@galego4 I think you're right that Falangism was a good political tool to sway the people of Spain to one side on the basis of traditional and nationalist principles. But the truth is that many in the International Brigades did not want to see Spain become a puppet country of Hitler either, so the phenomenon goes both ways. I don't, however, believe that Falangism was good for Spain. I tell a story about my grandfather in a comment in Chapter 1 that explains why.

[vanpablo79]

@galego4 if that was the case why did Franco and the fascists rise up in the first place? you surely can't believe that the falange taking democracy away from the people to give power to the catholic elite (once again)was a sign of "equality and freedom"

[Rickdeckard2020]

@dogfighter257

it sometimes sounds like Fascism might be manipulating the workers as a fall back position for the capitalist elites to coral-in/divert/oppose the threat to their dominion by the masses. So the 'left of capitalism' angle might be a sort of sheep's clothing to hide the wolf. Fascists in the US 30s were the libertarian slogan promoting "American Liberty League" (a different audiences require different lie or sales pitch, they cant say 'viva the elites!' to swindle irate workers)

[Yildirim4021]

Put together very well.

[alanheath]

What movie is used in this film?

[dogfighter257]

This chapter uses "Land and Freedom", "Las Libertarias", as well as brief clips from "La Lengua de las Mariposas" and "El Laberinto del Fauno".