SUPER SF4 Dee Jay (Ultra 1 - Sabat Festival) vs. Chun Li (Ultra 2 - Kikosho)

[UpskirtPower]

i wa slooking foward to see brand new super moves of chun li i never seen before.... but capcom had to recycle same old shiet! massive circle ahdooget..... same shiet as snk vs capcom 2 and alpha. should of make her a brand new looking super move.

[kirbycutta]

chun li's ultra looks so stupid. the tvc version is the best looking one =)

[akaulquiorra4]

I think chun li deserves her new ultra :) ppl underestimate her alot

[ArmenianAssassin]

does the opponent have to be in the corner for it to connect?

[BoysskaterR]

@ArmenianAssassin No this Ultra can connect anywhere...just imagine how easy it was for Rufus to connect his ultra and it's pretty much Chun now ;)

[ArmenianAssassin]

@BoysskaterR with probably half the damage of rufus' ultra though

[blingman4000]

can chun li be long range because it looks like it a hakouken but iv only ever seen it close and not been missed

[Jarrkha]

lol I can hear a Rufus fight in the background.

[Ravenex2]

Kind of weird how she gets the biggest fireball in the game as an ultra yet her normal fireball can't make it across the screen. =P

[Gamerjoe987]

I think the damage for chun li's second ultra is good but my problem with it is the appearance of it in general. Isn't it supposed to be an ultra? the fireball should look epic and fluid, instead it looks rigid and basic. Its not that big a deal but yeah what do you guys think?

[BoysskaterR]

@Gamerjoe987 I actually agree with you. Marvel vs. Capcom 2's version of it looks better than this one. LOL!

[Jarrkha]

@BoysskaterR it is the camera angle that also makes an otherwise plain move what it is as an ultra.

[DinMamma002]

@Gamerjoe987 u wanna know what I think? I think you are a picky piece of shit

[LiangHuBBB]

My new main.

[baderhhh]

chun li is S- tier in super

[ArmenianAssassin]

I dont think it looks all that great. Compare it to, let's say, Juri's Ultra.

[Warioz54]

Hey BoysskaterR, what do you think about DJ will be, having these little informations, in SSF4? Will he be atleast good as he was in SF2?

thanks

[BoysskaterR]

@Warioz54 He's lookin pretty good. Very solid character in my opinion. From what I was seein in the tournament, his slide attack was acting as anti-air. So that's good already.

[Warioz54]

yes his slide was always good as anti-air ;), i hope that Capcom will leave DJ as he was in SF2. Pretty strong normals and high priority.

thanks for the anwser :)

[AdpBalla]

can you find deejay vs balrog?

[AzuroMasurao]

Indeeed...AA that leads to untechable knockdown. Sounds sexy.

[ryu213]

Chun Li's 2nd ultra is weak as hell for them making it weak i hope they got like some type of special ability or something like when she does do the kikosho its all around her cause comboing into the kikosho is too weak after the 7th or 8th hit it doesn't do any damage at all.

[baderhhh]

butcan be comboed

[streetman88]

Doesn't do any damage? did u even watch this vid the kikosho did crazy damage compare that to ryu's metso hadoken its combo ability is equal to that off of ex legs and if its anti air as well it will make it even more dangerous than ryu's ultra even seth killian said that there where a lot of combo opportunitys for this ultra so what r u talking about it being weak?

[User333777999]

does she still have hosenka? I hope she does =((

[BoysskaterR]

Yes, she does.

[Druscaelan]

Im white but im going for Dee Jay or Dudley, and in case i don't like them, Balrog!

[boothesquirrel]

who the fuck cares about your skin color nigga

[BAMACHICKMAGNET]

@boothesquirrel

LOL i was about to say the same thang

[BAMACHICKMAGNET]

WTF???? lol

[layarteBdnAevoL]

2:08 - 2:09, that hippo ate that bird.

[AlphaXQ]

@layarteBdnAevoL  hahahahaha

[tonefresh]

wow capcom really did fix Deejay's EX dread kicks so no crumple....so then im wonderin if u can ultra in da corner then???

[BoysskaterR]

Yeah, I was kind of surprised that I didn't crumple...I was like, "Wait, what?"

[tonefresh]

i kno rite??...=/ oh well

[252Dazz252]

The fight i can hear in the background sounds more exiting than the one im watching. lol

[BoysskaterR]

If you like watching Sagat vs. Dhalsim, then sure.

[sk8terll21g]

YANG! ELENA! MAKOTO! AND DUDLEY

[emandicp]

minus Yang, plus Hakan

[shoNuuff]

Chun is between mid and high Tier but close to mid. I don't follow the ratios that much because it's not absolute. It just shows the chances a character has if two people of equal skill fought eachother. But how do you really rate anyone of equal skill and two different characters? They should have just made the Ultras Optional and not counters. I should not have to pick them so my game is open depending on the situation not on who I fight which online will be pointless cuz of blind select.

[BoysskaterR]

Well, I wonder how offline tournaments are going to be?

Regardless if you know your opponents main character you can actually counterpick Ultra.

Example - Ryu = Hosenka, while Balrog = Kikosho.

[koArtist619]

oh yeah,and viper and abel are the favorites of the new characters so ;-P

[Cascadian1106]

I take back what I posted days ago. Looks like kikouken is still the same crappy petering fireball as it used to be and still no decent anti-air. I thought everyone was gonna get new moves and not just ultras. How come Sagat gets a new dodging special? What's Chun's improvement here other than the addition of Kikousho? Has she gotten back her poking master status?

[koArtist619]

dont complain to me buddy i use abel,do you know how much priority she has on him,its mind boggling,their are way more important unbalanced things in this game than chun li's minor tweaks, what about the fact that ryu has 100 different easy ways to combo into his ultra and a character like dan has to waste his whole super bar to combo into anything,thats da kinda stuff they need to fix

[Cascadian1106]

@koArtist619 Sorry, but why are you surprised about Chun's priority advantage over Abel? It should actually make more sense if her normals have priority advantage over everyone else who's slower than her. Besides, Chun's always been a poking beast. She's just not that much of a beast in SF4 anymore. The Shotos and Lolrog outpoke Chun everytime. I'm concerned about Chun not only because I main her but because she's an icon character for SF, a status that I'm sorry to say Abel will never reach.

[BoysskaterR]

I agree with both of you. Chun will never be bad in a game (MvC2 is the only one that comes to mind where she is bad) because she is an iconic character of SF, like Cascadian said, and as such they would be worried about fixing her over some other characters. However, that does not mean that characters like Vega and Sakura should be left like shit. I think all characters deserve at least a little tweaking :)

[streetman88]

I also agree with the comments u guys said theres really not to many games chun li is bad in (exept for MvC2) just took a look at TvC people r saying shes like top tier level in that game and with her new ultra she could be top tier in this game by the way i was wondering if u guys think her new alt outfit in this game should be replaced with her alpha costume or something similar let me know what u think.

[Cascadian1106]

Someone said in another post that her 3rd alt costume makes her look like Hsien-Ko from Darkstalkers and I agree with that. Her alpha costumer would have been nicer. Chun is already top mid tier without Kikousho and its addition will certainly notch her up a few more places considering her ultra is now as useful and as easily doable and linkable as Ryu's Metsu Hadouken. Take note that Chun without Kikousho holds a 5:5 ratio against Ryu in tiers. I wonder how they'll fair this time around.

[streetman88]

lol yeah i saw that comment about her resemblance to Hsien-Ko i just hope they change it to her alpha or like tight jeans and t-shirt thats my only gripe about chun li in ssf4 so am keeping my fingers croosed that capcom will listen to the fans they naild her ultra and its uses now just fix the costume cause nobody likes it.

[duo317]

@Cascadian1106 Rufus' 3rd costume makes him look like Hsien-Ko From Darkstalkers. A really fat Hsien-Ko that I think I saw at comic-con once.

I was hoping for kikousho in the original release but this definetly makes me wanna alt chun.

[koArtist619]

who does chun have a bad matchup with?

[Cascadian1106]

Not very many. They include C. Viper, Rufus, Sagat (who doesn't?), Akuma (probably), and El Fuerte. The tier charts say EF and Chun have a 5:5 ratio which is crap because EF is a mix-up / overhead demon and with Chun's lack of an anti-air special and such low stamina, she just doesn't have the right tools to counter or even punish EF.

[sasukesuu]

dlahsim is 5:5 with sagat lol. imagine that a very low tier character is the only even match for the top tier.

[koArtist619]

i agree with you in a sense because because she is an iconic chraracter but she is still very good and her new special just gave her new advantages and strategy and obviously if see needs fixing their gunna do it,so stop whining! plus my Abel will crap all over you regardless of his lacking popularity

[Cascadian1106]

I hope you mean that Abel is crap compared to Chun because he is, truthfully and it is 4:6 to be precise. If you've played SF games prior to this, you'll definitely notice how she was toned down so much in this game and yet she's still top mid tier. Low stamina, low damage, floaty jump, no anti-air, situation-dependent ultra, charge motion, petering fireball and the list goes on. But amidst all these, her other tools still put her in leagues above "tanks" like Abel and Honda.

[BoysskaterR]

AND! According to the matchup list, she's good against ELF too. But that matchup is definitely in his favor.

[TheDaydreamButterfly]

All the girls' new ultras are GREAT!

[BoysskaterR]

Yeah definitely :)

Can't wait to see Ibuki's and Makoto's!

[pinoyromantic]

Does the Hosenka Ultra 1 connect as a juggle after EX Lightning Legs and do less damage or does it connect full like with bison from jumping Mp 2x then ultra 1 full ground connect. Also does it juggle all the way till the end and not miss the last hit? How did you also get invited to the Lv Fight Club? Thank you

[BoysskaterR]

1) It won't connect full, it will do less damage. It seems to be the same as Vanilla SF4

2) It will miss the last hit against certain characters.

3) I got invited by sending a message to Capcom and asking them to invite me and I got it. I was lucky :)

[12374808]

will kikosho connect and do full damage if done in mid screen? sorry this is a stupid question but i never see it done in the mid screen

[BoysskaterR]

Yes, it will. It's a very good Ultra :)

[michaelGxxx408xxx]

so does everything come out faster? I wanna know if cody is a decent char or not, other wise ill stick to chun

[BoysskaterR]

It seems faster, but it might just be at the same speed.

[michaelGxxx408xxx]

looks like dj can counter FAs really fast

[921144666]

wow....street fighter 2 characters....i havent seen this for the past 20 years.....

[IllusTreyte]

damn someone needs to turn their tv down all i heard was blanka

[tokyodeathgod]

have you guys seen the new ultras some are sick like bisons and kens but wtf is happening with akumas ??

[Cascadian1106]

What's up with that B&B combo and then f+mk instead of Kikousho? Looks like no more petering fireball. Awesome, Can anyone tell me if Chun's got her Tenshokyaku back as an anti-air?

[BoysskaterR]

It wasn't in the movelist as far as I knew.

I tried to do it once but nothing :(

[Cascadian1106]

So I guess it's still that crappy command combo attack then. I really don't have a problem with it not being in the game but I'd be happy to know that the Ex SBK is now a totally invincible and dedicated anti-air. I did see it used against Honda's Sumo Splash in another SSF 4 vid and what do you know, it did the job.

[jdigitalseven]

Chun Li...mash crouching kick into EX lags and finish with ultra...has to be the easiest setup in the game.

[freakofavrillavigne]

I LOVE Kikosho!! And by the look of it, I find it more useful then Hosenka is, You can combo into in the middle of the stage, don't have to limit yourself to just corners like hosenka, I can't wait to use KIKOSHO!

[koonchan222]

I'm sorry but Chun's Kikosho looks like poopy!!! It just looks like blue waves. Like "ELECTROSONIC ATTACK OF ELECTROSONIC SPERM DEMONS!!!! SEMEN!!!!" :(

[afghanapex]

Haha, thats me as DeeJay. I know I know... I suck.... but it was SO much fun!

[juangarcia2007]

that kikosho looked cool as hell cant wait for super street fighter 4 to come out

[TheLegendOfRenegade]

needs moar Elena

That stage is so great

[akumous]

I'm loving that stage; frankly it is the best stage the game has to offer thus far. Chun li seems to be greatly improved with her speed..

[BoysskaterR]

I loved this stage too. Very greatly detailed.

[penguinbelly]

This is one of the few SF4 videos I like. Especially the Hippos.

[BoysskaterR]

I'm glad you do like it :)

[tokyodeathgod]

GET FUCKED DEE JAY HAHAAH i hate tht guy !! =)

[BoysskaterR]

Don't hate on him! He's a great character too :)

[AdpBalla]

u have problem, white-ass.

[isaachc]

omg i love the kikousho!!.. it look so cool!

[BoysskaterR]

I am 90% satisfied with it. I thought it was gonna look more cinematic, but I am definitely OK with this one. :)

[ggd210]

me too!!!

[Arcalai]

Nice vid, thx for uploading. I saw chun on the stream connect kikosho mid screen from short > ex legs on honda, so hopefully that will work on everyone. How much slower are her jabs?

[BoysskaterR]

They felt like Ken's to be honest. Not too bad to combo by themselves but it made comboing them into a st. HP awkward and uncomfortable.

[IIN2OII]

The first one wasn't combo'd. DeeJay did a quick get up, but didn't block the ultra... at least that's what Chun-Li's combo and DeeJay's 'Technical' texts say.

[BoysskaterR]

Yeah, you are right. That's why I ask if it combo'ed after the first time...lol.

[ryodragoon]

wierd. it comboed the second time but not the first, even though they look performed at the same timing.

[krissy2383]

it didnt combo....kinda wack

[BoysskaterR]

What didn't combo?

[OscarMaris]

@krissy2383 it did combo

[bjmensz]

lightning legs into ultra at 2:08

[BoysskaterR]

EX legs into Ultra! Get it right! LOL :)

[MysticExile111]

Man, is it just me or does the game look smooth as hell now? Everything looks amazing!

[BoysskaterR]

It was amazing. It felt a little faster to me though. And the displays were just awesome

[AzuroMasurao]

Faster?  Nice.

[clannadnagisa01]

did you feel like her hasanshu was slower it looked realy slow when u did it

[BoysskaterR]

Um...sort of, but her light one is as quick as ever.

As slow as it looks, I think they are the same speeds :)

[ShadowReubenKee]

Wonderful! Great job with the recording! :D

[BoysskaterR]

Thanks :)