MoD shut down UFO research

[Itsmeeman1]

@CR1MS0N1986 You think men have been to the moon? Really? When was that? Why would you think that? Because some one told you to think that?  Because you've seen 'pictures'? Because you have been there?

[lllwindrunner]

So to sum up...Since there continues to be new mass UFO sightings and no power on earth has been able to control or cap the security issues of major case UFOs from going in and out of any countries airspace, the story does NOT end, much to the dismay of a small pack of UFO debunkers. A FACT> Project Bluebook was the USA 's only official public investigation into UFOs and has now long since been documented and admitted to be a fake investigation by the very people that were involved with it.

[lllwindrunner]

Any legitimate threat to the UK's airspace as well as things that do not seem to be threats but yet still so far *unexplainable*, will continue to be spotted by the 24/7 radar checks. UFO type craft that have been picked up on radar (which of course are not licensed to be in UK's air space) are likely to continue to fly with impunity. Meanwhile, officials in charge will still scrutinize ANY and ALL new major UFO sightings privately, if not publicly or openly for it's citizens, MOD or not.

[adeellime]

god so ov there jus going to collect there own info still on the subject

[nixatnite]

hmm this is not the entire story.

[debrainwasher]

nixatnite, believe it or not, but this *IS* the end of the story. USAF shut down their Project Bluebook 40 years ago - just for the very same resons: Dangerous, exo-ufoistic tendencies misguided the general populace. The deadly Heavens-Gate- and Sun-Templer-tragedies revealed clearly, these are not abstract fears. Maybe in couple of centuries, things will change. Certainly not earlier.

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[AristotleP]

UFOs are a matter of national security. The MOD has plenty more files that they have not released. Why doesn't anyone question why one of the most solid cases in the sighting report files photgraphs have been "lost"

The August 1990 diamond shaped craft in Scotland with the Harrier next to it. The photographs were deemed genuine by the MOD but now they're lost or they just don't want to release them.

[CR1MS0N1986]

After less than a year since the government said they "will" now open their UFO files and investigate the 12,000 UFO sighting the MOD wish to close down the "whole" UFO investigation department. This as-well as UFO hunters (a popular US UFO investigation series which has been running successfully for three seasons) have now come to a standstill. Just typical of the government looking to keep data hidden from the public. There is no freedom of information.

[sacha4you]

CR1MS0N1986, your govt shut down its UFO-department, since most people (like you) can't handle the topic in an appropriate, sensible and rational manner. Collecting huge amounts of sighting reports about mistaken sky lanterns et al. from uneducated people is certainly not the main task of the MoD. So they are going to leave alone the topic and invest your money in a more useful manner, like the war in Afghanistan - after they will have released their UFO-archives into the public domain.

;-))

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you firstly 5% of sighting cannot be explained. Secondly the war in Afghanistan is not a useful way to use taxpayers money! i feel you should enlighten yourself to the fact that by causing pain to people your only causing pain to yourself. UFO's are real unless they are the Government black projects such as the TR-3B. Honestly, I feel you are the one who is limited and uneducated, who listens what the media has to say instead of learning for yourself, Its easy to switch on the TV.

[sacha4you]

CR1MS0N1986, LOL! Should I really enlighten myself by consuming the utter nonsense, our exo-ufoistic conspiracytainment industry serves to their followers, who believe, they had acquired shocking secret knowledge? So let's start with the simple things: Unexplainable doesn't mean inexplicable. UFO means an airborne phenomenon, observers can't identify due to lack of sufficient data. TR-3B? ROFL! The menatal offspring of a snake-oil selling, insane attention seeker [Edgar Fouche]. Since the ...

[slashville]

An obvious reason I can think of to why they closed it down is to tarnish the whole ufo phenomenon by making it seem worthless/ridiculous to even investigate. This is an attempt to hide what's really going on to the public through planting doubt in the public's mind when we hear this news. More and more people are learning the truth

[sacha4you]

slashville, there is too much exo-ufoistic conspiracy crazyness out there in the wildn, a govt could involve their cititzens in a serious and scientific manner into the topic. Remember, humanity in its wholeness is centuries away, they could handle any extraordinary knowledge and its implications. Feel free to go on to hedge your widespread superstitions (you declared as the truth) but you should become comfortable with the fact, alleged ETs are put just in their right place: SF-movies. ;-))

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you you do not have a clue about history or science. Firstly UFO's have been here for centuries look at ancient vedic texts (the Vimanika Sastra) which described how to construct a UFO (the propulsion system uses mercury to attain anti-gravity) it was translated from Sanskrit into Hindi in 1880, the Nazis Thule society went to india to find this information out. They then created the Bell experiment, it used a radioactive isotope of mercury.

[CR1MS0N1986]

@CR1MS0N1986 Soon after the Hanebu aircraft was developed (UFO) Dr. Wernher von Braun who worked closely with Hitler went to the US and was one of the major people to bring NASA to power. Firstly read several books before disregarding everything, In the past they said man would never get to the moon and now we have a space program.

[CR1MS0N1986]

@CR1MS0N1986 So how does this all tie together, the vedic texts describe aliens who came down from the skies to bestow this information to mankind. Of course we have evidence that their is advance "alien technology" such as the Bob White object (which is a nano engineered quasi-crystals) and Dr. Leirs alien implants. Go visit the AlienScientist channel if you want to learn more about this.

[sacha4you]

... (ff 3) So I'd suggest, you seeked for professional meadical help to get rid of your brain-washing and acquired real education.

;-))

[sacha4you]

... (ff 2) gullible, exo-ufoisticly infected masses are very well conditioned to never ask for a tangible proof, the TR-3B nonsense was colported and parrotted over the years so much, it turned into reality. Antigravity? LOL LOL LOL! Gravitation is a monopolar, attractive basic natural force. It can't be repulsive - even if thousends of snake-oil sellers want you to believe in a mystery. Nazi-Bell experiment? Do you take entertainment for real?

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[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you you are a retard go and learn about quazi-crystals and Bose-Einstein Condensate. quasi crystals cannot need to be supercooled and heated, furthermore they need to be Nano Engineered atom by atom the evidence is there (bob white object, dr leir). HAH, you did a simple Google search on the Nazi bell experiment and Edgar Fouche thats a good start donkey. Go learn about gravity beams/MPC then talk to me. AlienScientist explains in more detail, go check out his channel.

[sacha4you]

CR1MS0N1986, I have to admit, I am a simple minded, graduated electrical engineer. I buy, what I can prove. So I'm amused when attention-seekers expell impressive out-of-context technobabble since they have not even a dim idea, what they are talking about - while insane exo-ufoistic followers swallow the nonsense as a truth and believe, they had aquired education while they've got miseducation. UFO-crazies are too stupid to recognize that, so they can't see, they are left with empty bags. ;-))

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you For one, I have provided evidence to hence backup my claims. Edgars Fouches claims are tangible as mercury supercooled to under 150K creates a bose einstein condensate (which Dr Ning Li, AC Gravity - witnessed anti-gravity at these temps) the Nazi's used Xerum 525 - radioactive isotope of mercury. Furthermore the following video proves that UFO exist watch?v=iMe4TD6svH8 - the crafts are 3 miles long. Even Tesla said anti-gravity can be achieved through high voltage DC & other mediums.

[sacha4you]

CR1MS0N1986, LOL again. Ning Li is well known for her crackpot claims that are mainly related on Potklednov's magical 'gravity shield' that not only violates the law of conservation of momentum (and energy) but nobody ever could replicate it. Hg doesn't become a BEC below 150K. That's utter nonsense. It turns into a solid below −38,36°C, and no such thing like 'Xerum 525 Mercury' exists. Hg has three radioactive isotopes 177Hg, 194Hg and 203Hg with half-lives of 170ms, 367a and 47d. ...

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you LOL again you retard, HG does turn to Bose Einstein Condensate if you add additional elements to lower its cooling temperature. A simple Google search for Superconductors will reveal thorium and barium were added to mercury to lower its temp. Now stop with your pointless nonesense as I have more important things to attend to. ;-))

[sacha4you]

CR1MS0N1986, since there a billions of insane UFO-crazies like you out in the wild (the main reason ALL nations had to stop all public SETI activities) I feel I have to correct you: A BEC is a macroscopic and coherent quantum state of matter obeying bosonic statistics with delocalized single atoms, while a SC (superconductor) is based on the pair-formation of electrons (Cooper-pairs) that turn from fermionic to bosonic statistics and lose their electrical resistance. For Hg this is the case ...

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you first of all SETI only detects frequencies in hydrogen secondly they do not allow the ALL information to be released into the public domain. BEC will allow the atoms to flow in one state (Fermionic condensates) and can flow in zero vescosity. With the aid of ionizing Mercury with high voltage DC we can allow the mercury to flow in the direction of electromagnetic thus obtaining the same effect as stated by Joseph Farrell. ;-))

[sacha4you]

CR1MS0N1986, nope again. SETI has turned to Laser-frequencies - but is 100% privatly funded. BTW, you sound like AlienScientist, who technobabble utter nonsense since he has not even a dim idea about he is talking. I call these crazies Google-pseudeo-scientists. A Ferimionic Condensate is NOT a BEC. Altough it has similarities, It's the pendent of a SC, and is responsible for superfluidic. (Fermionic statistics obeys Pauli's exclusion principle). If you want to discuss with me, I demand ...

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you Anyway I can keep posting comments towards you with evidence to backup my claims, and you can only reply with a simple minded answer (Ufo-Nuts empty bags) Thousands of physicists including reputable individuals (Edgar Mitchell/Buzz Alrid) have come forward with these statements. I encourage you to seek the answer for yourself. ;-))

[sacha4you]

... (ff 2) Tesla was an excellent engineer, but a misarable wannabe-physicist. He stated many nonsensial things that were wrong. E.g. the connection between EM and gravity is such a thing. And you are still standing with empty bags in your hands, since common to all pseudoscientific crackpot claims is, nobody can replicate these or create a working device; but this fact is concealed by farther nonsensial claims, the NWO would keep secret all these shocking-truths. Real scientific knowledge ...

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you Tesla was a great Inventor and If you read anything concerning current research Instead of doing google searches after I comment of Nassim Harameine you would seen the connection between EM and gravity, furthermore his award winning paper on Phi/Schwarzschild proton. You are a complete imbecile. You need to learn more about the world. ;-))

[sacha4you]

... (ff 2) at exactly 4.2K. An alloy between Hg and other metals increses the melting point; while oxyde ceramics from Hg creates HTSCs (High Temperature SC). BEC however appear in the uK...nK temperature range with pure elements, confined in a magnetic field and a gaseous precursor state. Nassim Haramein is a pseudo-scientist like EvD, Richard Hoaxland [typo intended] et al. They utter nonsensial theories and pimp their apparent credentials - but never come forward with a tangible proof. ;-))

[CR1MS0N1986]

@sacha4you You tried debunk the claims by everyone I have put forward, with the same notions as they are either a psuedo-scientist or a crackpot. I have gave you tangible proof (bob white, dr lier) but i have heard none in return. I have no time for your pointless comments and I have better things to do than to listen to you nonsense. ;-))

[sacha4you]

... (ff) you use an unambigous scientific language. So what is your claim regarding 'direction of electromagnetic'?

Is it the Poynting vector S=ExH?

This is simply wrong, since ions in a DC...AC field (up to the specific recombination frequency) move to the cathode; above they remain stationary in the avarage. correct is, you came forward with pseudo-proofs but not one single scientific proof. Due to your mental damage, you can't recognize you base all your (apparent) proofs on claims ....

[sacha4you]

(ff 3) ....from pseudo-scientists. You can recognize them easily, since they have no real credientials like a graduation in their (claimed) field of expertize, but they all manage somhow to obtain a medal or an award - or they abuse their authority (e.g. Dr. Liar) to utter nonsense in a field they have no idea about. Would you let cure your brain-washing from a lawyer - or rather a MD? The ultimate thing however is the proof. One can claim whatever he want, but he has to provide it.

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[adammiller84]

Great post, electrogravitics is the next step for us, it will be like the new 'jet engine' revolution we need.

[sacha4you]

... (ff 3) ... is characterized by a proof, that is accessible, verifyable, reproducable - and unambigous. Mentally disturbed UFO-crazies however believe, the (apparant) credibility of a claimant would turn a claim into a fact. Since medivial superstion has replaced science again, our whole western civil is currently decaying - while the big winners are the Asian people.

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[littledogalienhunter]

I,m glad to see more of fhese agencies shutting down...now my actuall video of a gray will someday be worth something

[Megamediaplex]

dot com

[xslowcorex]

that building looks like something from ghostbusters heh but yeah i guess it is time , we dont need it ,plus if there was obvious ufos occuring everyday what could we possibly do about it? nuke our selves? , we know nothing and do nothing so whats the point of it

[GenXFuturist101]

To me, NASA is equally irrelevant, obsolete & should be mothballed into the dustbins of MoD-Like BS programs. They are both designed to capture our public attention and hold it in absolutely irrelevant manner while simultaneously providing cover for the illegitimate economies of black budget/black-tech-sector hoier-than-thou-ism XD.

[sacha4you]

GenXFuturist101, never overestimate the general populace. People are centuries away from a point, they would come to the idea to make in-situ discoveries by using appropriate scientific instruments. Maybe in 300-400 years, e.g. people will have learned, what a spectrogram or a 3D-scanning LIDAR is. Since all govts on earth can rely 100% on the scientific illiterism, there is no need to spend taxpayers money for the UAP-topic. If alleged ETs wanted an open contact with us, they will do it. ;-))

[GenXFuturist101]

I guess that explains why there is so much open contact now :-)

We have no need for a MoD or a NASA or any technocrats to hold our hands. Such agencies are now irrelevant. I am sure that for some, 1000 or MORE years of "waiting" will be right, and for others, waiting has now been 2,000 years more than necessary.

I for one am very pleased that the "whole of humanity" cannot be evaluated by any simple measurements & generalizations. It allows for peaceful coexistence of 100% differing views.

[sacha4you]

GenXFuturist101, open contacts with ETs? LOL! We have loads of crackpot claims, since every exo-ufoistic nut can become a celebrity, whenever he spreads a fantastic fairy-tale. Since people are conditioned to never ask for a tangible, unambigous proof, of course, they swallow everything, that sounds somehow possible (in their own perception of reality). This way, even the term truth turned from a binary- into a graduable value and everbody can bolt together his own reality.

;-))

[GenXFuturist101]

MoD was useless in the UAP business anyway because they were powerless to do anything besides receive reports & go through motions of "investigating", which motions were completely futile & unnecessary anyway.

These days, a few children's toys can be used, chinese lanterns used, or any number of other civil & governmental departmental special equipment procurement offices could instigate UAP reports, not to mention college student projects/research activities.

Nevermind digital media.:)

[nik418]

The fact that they didn't officially admit to the existence of a UFO desk even when Nick Pope was in charge of it leads me to doubt the fact that they have 'officially closed' it. It's just more smoke and mirrors - if they're interested in something they'll investigate. They'll just not tell us - as per usual!

[sacha4you]

nik418, have you ever considered, humanity in the general and exo-UFO-nuts in the special, are centuries away, they could handle any extraordinary truth and its implications? I don't think so. Whenever govts abbandon a topic, they send a strong message, there is nothing to do for them for the near future. Since all govts can 100% rely on the stupidity of the general populace, there is no danger, somebody would provide unambigous scientific data or even a proof to the public.

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[nik418]

what??? I don't understand a word u just said!! What nationality r u?

[sacha4you]

nik418, I come from Switzerland.

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[mikkitiny]

so, they considered UFO hunting as a waste of money.

[sacha4you]

mikkitiny, it *IS* a waste of money, since humanity is centuries away from the maturity, they would perform in-situ investigations of UAP with appropriate scientific instruments and discover sth.. Hence, UK MOD wasted taxpayers money for the very same pointless 'work' as other nations and MUFON do for 63 years: They collect UAP-sightings. Remember, with £45'000 per year, you can do more useful things: E.g. you can [quote of MOD] '...kill more than 1'000 people in the Afghanistan war.'

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[omegakurt20]

@sacha4you did you get my message about inter connected units?

[sacha4you]

omegakurt20, no sorry.

[omegakurt20]

@sacha4you ok i'll send it again. you really must get alot of e-mails

[VoteBNP]

This is bollocks. Its to try and brainwash the public that 'there are no UFOs' so the public stop hassling the secret government to release the information.....that we have contact with Extra terrestrials, possibly one, if not all of the 57 different species that were catalogued in 1989 by the US secret government. Think of all the abundance of life on this planet, I reckon our whole solar system and others support life, some intelligent, some not, like earth.

[Hansolo60]

Very bad

[sacha4you]

Hansolo60, not very bad. Very good! This is a clear sign to the scientific world to abandon the topic for the next centuries. So we have exactly the same situation like three hundred years ago, when astrologists hijacked astronomy. Noadays, exo-ufoists have hijacked the UAP-topic, hence, there is no reason for any nation to make further investigations, since humanity is centuries away, we could cope with the truth and its implications.

;-))

[GenXFuturist101]

XD Sacha4you when you way "a couple of centuries", are you referring to time measured in Eartly orbits around the sun, or are you talking about time measured in virtual photon flux frequencies? XD Relative to our long past, the recent history shows a distinct if not exponential rise in molecular energetics per the path our sun is taking through the galactic plane, thus making what used to be 200 years of "time" relative to what is now possibly about 20 years and soon 3 years of "time". XD

[GenXFuturist101]

As you can tell, I haven't done any "math to prove this", but I assume you know about the gradual increase in material energetics which is happening now.

Schumann field for example has increased sharply in recent decade compared to centuries of relative stability & the sun, from what I have red is becoming more "blue" from excitation vs slowly becoming more "red" from gradual death.... I know it may be fiction-tainment, but I am curious on your thoughts about the galactic plane nontheless :-)

[sacha4you]

GenXFuturist101, LOL! What's about taking a course about the basics of real physics, instead of uttering nonsense?

;-))

[GenXFuturist101]

I know. I was just poppin off there. XD I don't want a course on basics of real physics because real physics is not yet legally available & therefore even for you does not really exist yet. All that is available is a series of courses on accepted/permissible physics. REAL physics would put something not often discussed at the very front of the discussion.....

.... Consciousness :-). Now THAT is where real physics can be found.

[sacha4you]

GenXFuturist101, whenever you spread bold claims about what accepted physics is or not, I'd suggest, you learned it. Otherwise, we have the same situation, as if a quack (self-teached from the internet) wanted to perform a surgery on you. I don't think, you would trust him.

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[Hansolo60]

Antigravity will be revealed, I know people who work on it.

[sacha4you]

Hansolo60, I have to disappoint you and your buddies: Gravitation is a attractive, monopolar, basic natural force. Hence, there is no such thing like 'antigravity'.

Nevertheless, there is a dipolar force in a particular multidimensional quantum theory, that can interact with gravitation, but the means to access this force are outside the realms of ordinary people. And this is intended for the next future, since these things are mindbogglingly dangerous.

;-))

[Hansolo60]

But with it we can travel FTL

[sacha4you]

Hansolo60, nope again. The concept of relativistic lenght contraction caused by strong gravitational fields and used for FTL relies on a widespread superstition in exo-ufoism, introduced by Bob Lizard [typo intended]. Theoretically, two black holes could form a Einstein-Rosen-Bridge to perform this job, but your body were torn into spaghetti by the strong tidal forces, long before you could enjoy your passage.

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[GenXFuturist101]

Translation:

MoD has shut down it's mis-information & debunking center in preparation for immenent disclosure/throwing-in-of-the-­towel of coverup.

The world is SO ready to roll out Civilization 2.0 and is ready NOW. :-)

[SwindleUK]

there will be nutters like you saying this kind of bull until the day i die.

[1freedomfighter11]

Watch the disclosure project and join the real world. Thinking they dont exist wont make them go away.

[paulbutkiss]

did you hear what they said theres no ufos so we dont need a research center there Freaking Evil they wont tell the truth ever.

[1freedomfighter11]

well said GenXFuturist101

[sacha4you]

GenXFuturist101, ROFL! Certainly not. MOD wanted to get rid of the overwhelming load of sky lantern reports and spend it's money for more useful things; e.g. for the war in Afghanistan.

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[IsItTrueOrFalse]

Ofcourse, England is full of Reptiles. They are afraid of People to find out that but that already happened.

[mikkitiny]

i assume, Tony Blair is a disgusting reptile. who else?

[0o0dead0o0]

This is stupid, the MoD are there to protect the UK and they shut down UFO department, i find it funny how everyone straight away thinks of aliens for UFO's but UFO's cover anything, if MoD no longer going to investigate reportes, other countrys will send spy shit

[PERIZ99]

Well, I'd say the laws of physics-

[PERIZ99]

UFO's are a joke..

[acesonfire]

and where is your proof then?