Raltour 1938 Tube Train at Canada Water

[likeplaneboy]

why is there are lu on the lo?

[citytransportinfo]

Do you not know the history of this line? Its best to watch my film about Surrey Quays, as that includes a more detailed historical overview. Even more detail is on the Wikipedia website.

The short answer is that (as a railway) this line was originally owned by a consortia of 6 railway companies, 4 of which ended up in BR and 2 in LT. Until the 1960's freight and BR passenger trains also used this line.

This station poses problems for the line, as it has short platforms.

Simon

[yaumatei1994]

The size of the 1938 train pales in comparison to the height of the sub-surface stock the East London Line was meant for.

[fittingciobb]

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[LordHeath1972]

Was this a complete random and very lucky recording or was you expecting this train to come through the station? It also is a bit of a false re-enactment because a train like this would never have driven through this station because the two never did co-exist.

And whilst we are on the subject - what do you make of the anti-photography/video rules that London Underground impose at stations? Personally I think it is more a power thing than anything else and I absolutely hate it.

[citytransportinfo]

@LordHeath1972 I knew it was coming, as I'd seen it at other stations too, and it was running railtours on the line. 1938 tube trains did operate on the line, but yes, well before this station was even thought of.

I know whats worse than LU's filming policy - the old District Railway is reputed to have had people who would chase after photographers to stop them filming the stations - even from the street!

Always remember that CCTV means that everyone is filmed all the time!

[Cazkumali]

@citytransportinfo this train has ran on lots of lines I assuming but I maybe wrong

[citytransportinfo]

@Cazkumali

yes, it has... Northern, Bakerloo, Piccadilly, East London plus some 1938 trailers with 1960 DM's on the Central Line. Also, away from London - Isle Of Wight.

Simon

[Cazkumali]

@citytransportinfo This preserved one has 4 coaches on, the Isle of wight ones have 2 coaches but I don't know how many coaches they were when they were in service i think 7 not not sure

[citytransportinfo]

@Cazkumali hmm, Bakerloo & Piccadilly - 7 cars.

Northern varied & whilst were mostly 7 cars in the early days the previous rolling stock often ran 9 car trains in the rush hours & the same may be true for these as well.

On the Northern City LIne (Moorgate - Finsbury Park) it was intended to run 6 car trains but the previous rolling stock often ran shorter trains off peak (4, I think) & the same may be true for these as well.

I think the ELL was 4 car trains (again not 100% sure).

[EdM021]

Canada Water looks like a modern Metro station. Nice and spacious.

[citytransportinfo]

@EdM021 It IS modern - only built in the 1990's.

Its also a disaster, as the rest of the stations on the line were built for 6 car trains - but as at the time the line only used 4 car trains so the platform was made shorter. Now the route is part of the Overground and the ability to use longer trains would have been better.

[EdM021]

@citytransportinfo I know, I heard it on the above video.Thanks. BTW, hHow cheap does one have to be to build a station for then-present traffic and not future traffic? London Transport is going to regret this! And the neighborhood residents will be ANGRY that their streets, shops and homes will have to be torn up, taken or inconvenienced a second time.

[jordangoater]

If you want to go on old london tueb trains, they use them on a certain railway on the isle of wight

[kbdkbd99]

How do you book a ride on this beauty ?

[citytransportinfo]

With difficulty!

It runs special tours several times a year - on this day I only filmed it / did not ride it.

But on another day I did ride it and there is a film of this on youtube. I bought my ticket from the LT Museum website.

Nowadays this is known as the Heritage 1938 train.

Hope this helps

Simon

[MrLukem14]

railtour underground epic

[TrainSpotterX]

Hello from downunder

Great vid, I viewed & rated it 5 stars keep up the great work.

[thetrainguy125]

lol i'm supprised that u can get railtours in the london underground! i'm supprised how they managed to schedual them within the normal service trains!

[citytransportinfo]

well not in the rush hour but especially at weekends its possible - this was filmed on a Sunday, when there was plenty enough time between 'normal' passenger services for the occasional extra working.

Simon

[60103Henry]

Great Video, Does Canada Water Station have ticket barriers?

[citytransportinfo]

Thanks.

Yes it does!

Most stations in the London Underground have proper barriers. But with a valid ticket (I suggest paper travelcards as there are nio time limits if you are going 'train spotting' ) there will be no problems passing through them.

Oyster PAYG has a time limit of 2 hours, which can be problem, expecially as leaving a station and then re-entering it will not always reset the time back to 2 hours.

[citytransportinfo]

better than going round making fun of other people.

Simon

[metadyneman]

Is it my imagination or has this train been fitted with a 1959 stock air compressor? you can hear it as it approaches the camera.. it certainly doesn't sound like the ones originally fitted to the '38s

[citytransportinfo]

sorry, not sure!

Simon

[metadyneman]

OK not to worry.. I'll just pretend it has... it means i can indulge in two of my favourite tubr stock tains at the same time :0)

[puziparrot]

You'll find many parts from other stock has been taken to make the 38 stock work, before the railtour, some 72 stock bogies went missing and are rumoured to be under the 38 stock ;P.

[citytransportinfo]

might be because of the muffled low quality sound from my digital camera.

btw, this train will be in use on Sunday 14th September (2008) alongside a train hauled by Sarah Siddons working between (I think) Amersham & Harrow / Hill.

simon

[metadyneman]

Yes I had heard it was going to be out & about again on the 14th

[metadyneman]

One thing is for sure.. it is the last time you will see any current LT stock at this station!

[citytransportinfo]

How about a Sarah Siddons or battery loco railtour on the NLL???

Simon

(SS has in the past been converted to 3rd rail, so could be again)

[metadyneman]

true... see I knew someone would come up with an idea! :0)

[citytransportinfo]

btw, when it reopens a '38 stock train from the Isle of Wight could use this line..

and if it was to use the route to Watford which is also (partly) used by the Bakerloo then we could see 3rd rail and 4th rail versions travelling side by side!!!!!!!

Simon

[metadyneman]

I think you are entering the realms of fantasy there Corporal Jones lol.... nice though Simon but I doubt we will see it happen

[citytransportinfo]

wishful thinking LOL!!!

although it is also possible that a flooding incident will delay or even prevent the ELL from reopening.

Especially if there is a surge up the Thames which around the sides of the Thames barrier.

Simon

[JoeRoss1993]

I heard that the 1938 tube stock was used on te East London Line between 1974 and 1977.

[citytransportinfo]

I knew that it was used here for a few years but alas I do not have any photographs of this.

Obviously however it did not call at this station! (only built in the 1990's, and now both a very important & busy station & a bottleneck - because all other station can take 6 car trains. Except this one - and lengthening it will be very expensive!

Simon

[Klingl3r]

The motor sounds like this from the old S-Bahn trains from Berlin?

[citytransportinfo]

well they date from approximately the same era, so yes its possible.

Simon

[Klingl3r]

Is there any information available about this trains? Maybe the number of the motor can say it.

[Klingl3r]

I think I´ve found an explanation for the sound: Trains from this time use a Tatzlagermotor (haven´t found an english word for it) and with DC power they will always sound similar. Other trains with similar sounds are polish EMUs(Poland uses 3000V DC), older streetcars and the very old metro trains from Berlin, too.

[citytransportinfo]

Thanks

[raakone]

I thought Rotherithe and Wapping also had short platforms also. But isn't there a platform height issue at Canada Water, so tube stock can't open its doors?

~Ra'akone

[citytransportinfo]

The shortest platforms are at the newest station, which is this one shown in the video.

I am not sure about platform heights - its possible.

[citytransportinfo]

Rotherithe and Wapping have very narrow platforms and very restricted space at the platform entrances. I understand that during the closure period these stations will have some building work to partially alleviate this, as well as create secondary emergency exits and (I think) wheelchair accessible routes to the platforms. This mainly explains the long closure period for the ELL.