Carlsen after the game with Anand (chessdom.com)

[iHateMyLifeGr]

Do they have to write down every movement they do? that just wastes their time..... or is it a game without time limit?

[tipau]

@iHateMyLifeGr they have to write everything down, unless they have less than 5 minutes left

[Spurz35]

Who was the game they showed on the table? At least it was not Carlsen vs Anand... Carlsen is Norwegian and that flag was Spanish or whatever. And 1:22? that is not Carlsen.

[jufbianchi]

@Spurz35 The first game they showed... Anand vs Carlsen -.-

[skateboardvidviewer]

so who won?

[chesspy89]

@skateboardvidviewer yes, somebody there, who won?

[kkma1453]

I take it he got thrashed?

[garotamineirauai]

my rating is 2890

[nerfmyaccount]

If you took people that knew nothing about chess and taught them the moves and had them play each other, the best player would not be predicted by IQ but working memory (different from normal memory). The higher the working memory the more forks, discoveries, pins etc you'll see, and that will beat anyone up to the mid club level.

[amro94]

uglyy face

[rebelsouljaz]

he looks like he has two ping pong balls inside his cheeks lol

[StriktoZerg]

Antes me gustaba mas este juego pero despues de mucho jugar ajedrez te das cuenta que es PURAMENTE acción-reacción, no es creativo, esta todo mas que estudiado, solo pierdes si te desconcentras o si no tienes preparada una jugada, hasta siempre ajedrez.

[JoshManyways]

@StriktoZerg :O !?!?!?!?!?!?Te das cuenta de lo que haz dicho? o es una broma?

[Moremover]

Hello Magnus , you didnt beat the - WORLD - you beat - ONLY 3 GM - with over 100 elo less than you have. Against the WORLD with the normal PC-Hardware and Stockfish 1.8 - or better Rybka-4-Software at home you cant win. The WORLD knows that your BOXING-show was only a DECEPTION. You say in your clip : Can YOU beat me

and I say to you now :

Yes WE can

kindly regards from Karlsruhe , Germany

Lutz Neweklowsky

[gorantrevise]

@Moremover Carlsen spielt besser Schach als diese Programme. Es ist eine reine Zeitfrage.

[Moremover]

@gorantrevise Die elo-Zunahme auf dem ranking der besten Schachprogramme liegt seit 5 Jahren kontinuierlich um ca.100 elo PRO JAHR, da kann Magnus schon längst nicht mehr mithalten. Wollte er auch nur annähernd eine Chance habe müßte sich seine elo-Zahl wie folgt entwickeln : 2010/2825 - 2011/2925 - 2012/3025 usw. und dies ist ihm bekannt. Herauforderungen gegen solche Programme lehnt er deswegen strickt ab. Momentan liegen Programme wie HOUDINI schon weit über der Spielstärke von Magnus.

[gorantrevise]

@Moremover Carslen hat schon einmal ein Turnier gepielt mit einer 3000 Leistung. Nocheinmal, es ist eine Zeitfrage und es geht um Verständnis. Ich spreche nicht von einem Zweikampf im klassischem Schach. LG

[Simenter13]

@gorantrevise Die Programme haben mittlerweile Elos von 3200 und höher, da kann auch ein Spitzenspieler wie Carlsen mit seinen 2800 nicht mithalten.

[EnigmaK9]

@Moremover spammer

[misterkefir]

awesome

[applenick12345]

I can pretty much understand any chess game not always necessarily brain but a smarter it is the higher level games u can understand using brain and techniques as i am a very experienced chess player.

[preproga1000]

if i remeber right gary said his iq is 135

[wahafah]

@preproga1000 Man you are totaly wrong Garry Kasparov's IQ is 190 and that makes him genius! You just cant be number 1 in chess with some above avarage IQ! You need fast thinking memorizing and rly fast calculating. Bobby Fischer's IQ was 187.

[preproga1000]

if i remember right about 15 years ago in some croatian tv talk show, gary kasparov said that his iq is 131.

[TheL4stMerch]

HEY! i have the same chair as them Hahahaha :P

[Comorasu]

The Godfather of chess

[Slotzan]

You tend to find that people who are remarkably genius at one thing and lacking in many other areas.

[clancyrusandJB1]

and rusia????

[KanoneUnteralle]

norway and india strongest chess nations on earth

[Bobo10091]

@KanoneUnteralle Don't make me laugh)))) Russia is the strongest chess nation in the Universe!

[Thymonico]

@KanoneUnteralle

Neglecting Russia is pretty hard considering it's under your finger 50% of the times you point randomly on a world map... It's a HUUGE chess nation!

But of course, Norway is best due to Timo and Magnus. :P

[draigan]

Damn you guys arguing really are idiots lol. Chess grandmasters need only normal intelligence, but magnus carlson is a genius at chess. Its really that simple. Not many people are able to attain what he has at his age even if they tried.

I think what buddy means by intelligence is that there are different types of intelligence out there.

[WeatherShine]

Geinius in chess wass only Bobby Fisher. What Magnus Anus have from genius? Vishi won him. Kasparov i thinks will likely to win. Polgar too.

[dfwtexxaas]

When he won him, did he get to take him home? LOL. You mean he 'beat' him.

[entootreee]

The most important personal quality anyone need to become good in anything, is the will to be best. You need to want to win.

My IQ was higher than Kasparov (once), but i became a bum and a drug addict. Also, the most intelligent person i have ever known, never finished or accomplished anything. I think that is because many smart people are easily bored.

Kasparov saw Carlsens talent early, he knows that Cs potential is higher than ANY other young player. It is uncanny..

[Ruxistico]

my IQ is still high (two months ago I hit 154) but a sad and hard life has deprived me of the will to do anything. For three years now my sole joy has been playing chess (and maybe an ironic 'thrill' from the ride down, down, down in the world's least exciting rollercoaster)

[EceSheva]

The fant that someone is named Kasparov or Grand Super Duper master of chess doesnt mean he is an intelligent person or a genius.. He is good in chess thats all...

Yeah and i beleive too that intelligent people het easy bored...

[fiendin281]

@EceSheva

show me a chess grandmaster that is also not very intelligent...i don't think you can.......

[EceSheva]

Well the fact that he is a grandmaster in chess does not make someone smart, he makes him good at chess. How can you say that a grandmaster is very intelligent. How do you measure intelligent.

Answer this and you will see that you dont need to be super wow intelligent to be good at something. You need to get better at it with practice.

How can you know that a grandmaster is very intelligent?.

[chessplayer21]

@fiendin281 im a grandmaster and i'm a fucking idiot

[EceSheva]

@fuebdub281

I did not say that they are stupid

There are not two sides, that of stupidity and that of inteligence. There is also a middle situation.

I said that you dont have to be intelligent to play good chess

Well you ask me to prove you that at least one grandmaster is intelligent

The general acceptable truth is that a gm is not intelligent until you prove that every gm is intelligent

CONCLUSION Go and find all gms an their iq test or smth to prove that all of them are intelligent. Its maths

[fiendin281]

for the sake of argument what you are asking me to do is unrealistic.

[EceSheva]

@fiendin281

I know :)

I am just saying that its the proper way to prove something like that.

Genius is a general term.

If you are expert in chess you are genius is chess

This is different from genius in general terms.

The fact that your brain was built to be good at something like chess. Does not mean that you are generally genius. If you get my point.

[fiendin281]

Yes it does, b/c they are directly related. It's like saying you are an excellent sprinter and one of the world's best (like grandmasters) but you are not athletic.

[EceSheva]

Well its not like that because the IQ in chess is CQ

Search for CQ chess. I cant provide link im out of chars.

And it is calculated by ELO/age

The reason that CQ exists is because IQ is not proper for describing chess

The example given by you was not a right one

Its like saying you are an excellent sprinter and one of the world's best, but you are good in all sports.

The word athelic is not proper. Athletic may be someone that plays tennis in amateur level, and he just do it to be fit

[TexasRobert]

@fiendin281 @EceSheva Being really good at chess analogus to being double-jointed. I do not think there is much correlation to overall intelligence.

[sonny19xx]

@TexasRobert nothing is ever achieved by a reasonable man.

[PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD]

@TexasRobert That's true to an extent. Everyone can compensate for lack of "natural genius" through hard work and still becoming very good. This is true for all activities and fields, whether it be sports, academics, or chess. However the VERY best are often the really smart ones. Examples in chess include Fischer (IQ over 170) and Kasparov (alleged IQ over 180).

[TexasRobert]

@PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD I don't know if we can draw conclusions from the two specific players that you selected (sample bias). What about players that are, say, at the expert level? There aren't so many relative to the number overall, but they probably just have a special interest in playing and learning chess. Maybe they choose to apply themselves to the game instead of to school work or their working career. Does this make them more intelligent? I don't think so.

[PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD]

@TexasRobert I'm not trying to say that there is some a correlation between intelligence and chess-playing ability. In fact I pointed out that almost everyone (including the expert level ones) can become very good (say master level) just through hard work.

I WOULD argue for the converse though: If you're a chess champion (e.g. Fischer, Kasparov, and the list), you probably have some natural gifts. It's certainly a real factor of "competitive edge," alongside attitude, hard work, etc.

[TexasRobert]

@PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD You are right, they certainly have to have natural gifts to be a Karpov, etc., but these gifts don't make them any "smarter" than a normal person. There really are so many facets to intelligence that IQ tests fail to measure.

[PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD]

@TexasRobert I can't really comment, because "smart" is a very broad and subjective term. "Smart" could be erudition, wisdom, social cleverness, simplifying abstractions, and so forth. In chess terms however, someone who is "smarter" than average learns much quicker, can calculate much deeper, and work out complications more accurately. That's probably where natural talent comes in. I'm not sure if that's synonymous with "smartness" though as it is a very general term.

[TexasRobert]

@PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD Well PrUne, I think we agree completely about this topic. Now if I could just get you and other players to agree to set up the pieces differently to avoid the replay of memorized GM lines, I would be really pleased.

[PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD]

@TexasRobert Lol yes randomized piece set-ups would be very interesting.

[fiendin281]

chess is like a race for your brain..

[planemadmatt]

0:46, without a doubt, he is losing it :P

[BayesianMan]

135 isn't bad, that's actually my IQ also. Not genius level, but still very respectable.

[2007TypeR]

IQ isn't the be all and end all. How many members of Mensa have actually contributed anything to the world? Not very many. I've got two friends who are members of Mensa and they both are jobless bums. Awesome.

[KBoogs719]

@2007TypeR what's mensa? is that like mrsa?

[sonny19xx]

@2007TypeR nothing is ever achieved by a reasonable man.

[rookman64]

@2007TypeR 2 is a very small sample size to draw any conclusions from..

[Vocalallusive]

@2007TypeR, I don't think super intelligent men will ever contribute to 'the world' as much of an average man. I can only speak for myself and then the reason why is simple. The world doesn't deserve whatever I can do with my brain. The world is filled with 99,9% psychopaths who support steal and share mentality with the use of appeal to authority and majority. I could teach them why it's important to respect the individual, but I rather hope for a hell they can stay after death.

[OntologicalQuandary]

@Vocalallusive

lol agreed, if you are intelligent you find it extremely difficult to cope with the stupidity of the average human

[nighterjay]

@OntologicalQuandary I agree with this comment............infact it is the most profound thing I have ever heard

[TheCabal]

@OntologicalQuandary

I can confirm that. Since intelligent people "think more detailed with lots of structures (= for the stupid man, it's not called structure, it's called chaos)" than the rest. It can make you insane.

[CyberSpectator]

@2007TypeR True words: Consider the curious case of William Sidis. This speaks to the importance of drive and ambition, among other things.

[willsmackyoudown]

@2007TypeR

How many are comedians? How many could write Shakespeare? There is more to intelligence then simply your IQ, which clearly favors your analytical and mathematical intelligence. There is musical intelligence, interpersonal intelligence, intrapersonal intelligence. I mean understanding yourself, communication, creativity, personality. To me that's all in your brain. I mean Fischer was a genius but he couldn't converse meaningfully with people if his life depended on it.. Einstein too.

[judgex]

@willsmackyoudown While there is value in communication, I think you are putting a bit too much into it. Most people can communicate effectively or at least functionally. Not many people can produce meaningful world changing science or logic. While I think that MENSA is a fairly meaningless organization that has become nothing but braggarts, but picking apart Einstein and Fischer because they weren't interested in conversation?

Some people are greater than others, no elitism is required.

[willsmackyoudown]

@judgex

Communication is how all things are achieved. So if you never enjoy or understand life what is the purpose of discovering E= MC2??? There is none. No one has achieved anything on their own, its all been done by slowly collecting knowledge throughout the years. Hell half of the medical pharmacology over the last 50 years are about as useful as a glass of milk lol. We really havent done anything truly amazing and neither has Carlsen.

[judgex]

@willsmackyoudown You speak in many absolutes. You act as if Einstein could not communicate at all, when in fact, he did, quite effectively enough that his theories eventually yielded the atom bomb. Carlsen is incredibly intelligent, and you act as if he is autistic or mute. He isn't. He's fine. Maybe not the most social, outgoing fellow, but stop trying to minimize the accomplishments and feats of others.

It makes you seem really jealous. Applaud that which is good in all men. Forgive.

[willsmackyoudown]

@judgex

I'm not jealous at all by no means. I applaud Carlsen and all other GM's. I look up to them but to say they are a better man than you or I by their chess prowess is another debate. I have observed Carlsen in many matches and has definately portrayed a slighlty arrogant manner. One in particular is when he lost a speed chess game with a woman and walked off the table and never apologized. As for Einstein I doubt someone who couldnt tie their shoes could last 30 mintues in the Bronx

[OmegaKent]

@willsmackyoudown

Carlsen is very talented player, but he seems soo dull and gloomy. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a room with him for like 2hrs.

[kkma1453]

@OmegaKent Yeah but he would bore you to sleep until rescue lol

[OmegaKent]

@judgex

Stop licking young Carlsen's ass.

[Carlisle412]

@2007TypeR I doubt that. I think you're wrong about many things... all of them almost.

[pa112358TRICK]

@2007TypeR

Well this doesn't prove anything at all. Firstly, not everyone with a high IQ is in Mensa, the vast majority aren't. Secondly, and more importantly, those with a high IQ are more likely to contribute something to the world. Just because not all of them do doesn't mean it's not important. Every single one of the top level GMs will have a high IQ. That's not to say they won't work hard, but without being intelligent to begin with the hard work wouldn't mean nearly as much.

[MustNotRead]

@2007TypeR

I've met quite a few people from Mensa (to do with my job) and, to be quite honest, many of them have struck me as slightly autistic. That is not a crass insult, by the way, but a genuine (personal) observation.

[TheGambler666]

@2007TypeR that describes me (at present) ... apart from the MENSA part

lol xD

[thegenius92]

don corleone mouth

[jowunger]

and of course chess helps produce synapses which are needed to work with information. Today's problem is that nobody wants to calculate anything with his/her head, but with a calculator/computer. The brain not has to find the solution but the solution is given to use by electronic devices. Chess increases synapses and by making the synapses network bigger, the brain has more pathways to decide what way to go.

Play Chess! Get Brain Food! =)

[demaera7]

As far as I know, IQ can only be measured up to 170. Above that it's just speculation I guess. But it's an interesting question that playing chess could increase your IQ. I guess it does improve concentration, analysing and spatial awareness. :)

[SeanGGodley]

Hiya - I think the world record for IQ is 210. I know that Bobby Fischer was 185 anyway. Playing chess doesn't improve your IQ - nothing can improve your IQ, it's a fixed thing. But it can keep you sharp. Funnily enough, there's a lot of evidence that indicate good chess playing and high IQs do not directly correlate with each other. A lot of chess is memory and pattern recognition, which doesn't require a massively high IQ - some of the best players in the world have only average IQs.

[trumpetcoder]

Actually IQ is not a fixed thing. IQ can, just like memory, be trained.

[DACEMAN305]

@SeanGGodley

Claiming you can't raise your IQ is not a very clever statement,in my opinion you're not certified to claim irrelavent statements like this.I believe IQ is not fixed like you claim and you should study more seems like your not to independent in your thinking.

[mar504]

@DACEMAN305 The point of an IQ test is to determine your natural ability to solve problems, not determine how well you can study for a test.

[DACEMAN305]

@mar504

If you have taken an IQ test it also covers your knowledge of vocabulary,similarities and information.. things you generally gradually accumulate during life but theres also a portion of the test like you said that you can use your natural abilities.So do further research before claiming such thoughts about others opinions.

[mar504]

@DACEMAN305 Almost all of it is natural ability, not a portion. The small language section has more to do with word relations than having a large vocabulary. Obviously YOU haven't taken it, hypocrite.

[DACEMAN305]

@mar504

So based on my thoughts you find its obvious to believe I havn't taken it? What supernatural ability do you have for proving that I didn't take an IQ test? I did take it and discussing with you further is fuitile, so read a bit more and you might find out how little you know about this topic.

[sandydragon69]

i strongly believe playing chess increases ur IQ... and ability to concentrate.. its my personal experience.. i have seen my confidence grow many folds in the couple of years.. chess installs a sense a thirst for winning and higher learning...been playing serious chess for 3 years now... {not new to it though}

[BforMyName]

You can learn to think not too be intelligence

[bilbobomber]

Obviously.

[SeanGGodley]

Sorry to tell you my friend, but chess doesn't improve your IQ. Nothing can improve your IQ; it's one of those things that doesn't change, like the colour of your eyes or the size of your feet. It does, however, improve logical thought processes and concentration etc.

[misterclit]

Intelligence is just the speed of original thought and it like everything in life can be improved with practice and effort and energy and...

Another thing, forget about IQ's, they ain't worth the paper or electrons used to write them down with.

IQ's are limited to testing English and mathematics!!! There are many intelligences eg emotional, music, scientific and artistic to name but a few!

Daniel Goleman's Emotional Intelligence is a good start if you're interested in learning about it.

[SeanGGodley]

Sorry, but I disagree with a lot of what you said. Firstly; it's not factual - the statement "intelligence is the speed of original thought" implies that we are all capable of original thought; a very dubious claim in itself. I think what you meant is simply the speed of thought, no? Even if this is the case, it's only partly true. What it's really about is an individual's ability to reason, in many different ways like you pointed out. But there is very little evidence that it can be improved...

[SeanGGodley]

with any amount of practice, effort etc.

Also, I know where you're coming from with IQ's - but still, I wouldn't dismiss them as meaningless. At the least they are a measure of some areas of intelligence between individuals, although I agree with you in that they are not comprehensive.

I have a (useless) degree in Psychology, I do not want to learn more - but thank you anyway.

All the best,

Sean

[UnderDog988]

Know for IQ compare to chess well in chess alot of people actuly use ther memorie and not understanding why they do the move that were IQ is valabe but other then that it think and using your knowledge of the game to find the best move that why it easy for everyone to get 1200 to 2500 but went you go over that you get into understanding and it then show if you are smart or not.

[UnderDog988]

IQ does not mean anything alot of it is a play on words or cuturel knowledge it does not test your ability to make link and association it pure memorie it good to evaluate if someone is good at a job cause jobs are not complicated you can do them just by having the know how and you dont half to understand why but went you enter the understanding then you achive true intelligence. That why IQ test are worthless in determening intelligence.

[zoooooo7]

My comment - part 3 (last part)

... About A. Einstein I have read he achieved IQ 172.

As long as we do not know the kind of test and its scaling we cannot compare Fischer's 167 to 180 and Kasparow's 135. In deed, 135 on a scaling can be much better than 167 on another scaling.

I think people playing chess at high level (how to estimate? ELO>2000?) at least have certain high developed "dimensions" of intelligence an memory - but they needn't achieve super values in "all-aspect-tests".

[Justs99171]

135? Kasparov's was more like 195. Where did you get that figure?

[xiangyik]

It's an official figure--go read his bios. I find it funny how everything tries to idolize these people by giving them impossibly high IQ scores and stuff. It's almost a cult ,really. IQ measures a not more than chess ability, which itself is dependent on a few very specific mental abilities.

[SeanGGodley]

Yes I can confirm this - Kasparov's IQ is about 135.

[SeanGGodley]

It's true, 135 is the correct figure. Bobby Fischer, on the other hand, was measured at 185.

[gtamateur]

QI doesnt affect your capacity at chess. Because the brain specilliase himself so to be good chess player you need only pratice and pratice and analysis your game that all and ps if bobby fischer wasnt 185 because less than a 1% of the population is bt 150-160

[SeanGGodley]

Yes, as I was saying above, high IQ and good chess playing do not correlate. Chess is mostly memory and pattern recognition. Other than that it is natural ability. Fischer is an example of someone with a naturally brilliant memory and fantastic pattern-recognition skills combined with huge natural talent *and* a genius IQ (185 is the documented figure). What's more he had an absolutely burning desire to win every game he played. It's no wonder he's the best that ever lived!

[joyfulvulture]

"high IQ and good chess playing do not correlate. Chess is mostly memory and pattern recognition."

you're ignorant.

proper IQ tests measure memory and pattern recognition. i'm doing my ph.d. in psychology so i would know. you're both saying chess IS and ISNT related to IQ.

"other than that its natural ability"

lol? chess is widely recognized as a "brain" sport, and a "natural" ability = genetic. IQ has been proven to be highly genetic. you make no sense at all.

[SeanGGodley]

What I was saying is having a high IQ doesn't automatically make you a good chess player. The proof is well documented all over the net that a high IQ and strong chess playing don't correlate; search for it and you will see for yourself.

If you can show me an IQ test with chess pattern recognition I will be impressed.

It's not clear why you brought genetics into the discussion.

I find it hard to believe that a PhD student has no grasp of grammar or semantics.

Ciao

[joyfulvulture]

"The proof is well documented all over the net"

lol, i hope you know why this statement is funny.

"If you can show me an IQ test with chess pattern recognition I will be impressed"

ohh, so you're backtracking and talking about chess-specific pattern recognition now? anyhow, do you seriously think a human being can suck at general pattern recognition but be good at chess pattern recognition? i hope you dont, because you would just show how ignorant you are again.

[joyfulvulture]

and last time i checked, not everyone in this world had english for a first language, genius.

[fiendin281]

Chess has a lot to do with intelligence. Intelligence and memory are closely related. Besides, IQ is measurement of memory.

[poprockssuck87]

Intelligence is the ability to learn. Knowledge is what you choose to learn with intelligence. And memory is retained knowledge.

That being said, from personal experience I don't believe memory and intelligence are very closely related.

Knowledge in humans has much more to do with circumstance. And computers have great memories but little intelligence.

[fiendin281]

@poprockssuck87

well that is your belief and im sorry but that has no credibility at all.

[SongsofInnocence]

@fiendin281 no it's been proven somewhere that chess has nothing to do with intelligence...but rather memorization and visualization/perception are paramount for good chess playing skills..

[fiendin281]

@SongsofInnocence

Oh it's been proven? I doubt that they accounted for all the variables when they did that experiment.

Give me a group of people with different IQs with no prior experience playing chess and then give them all chess lessons and the same amount of time practicing it, and I will bet you anything that those with higher IQs will generally do better.

[SongsofInnocence]

@fiendin281

I'm just paraphrasing what it says in an article (Reingold, E.M., Charness, N. (2005). Perception in chess: Evidence form Eye Movements. You can find the article via Google.

[zoooooo7]

My comment - part 2

... and it is especially hard to compare their IQs with IQ-test results from 20th century (or after 2000), because "modern" tests have been developed very carefully and try to take into account different "dimensions" of intelligence or intellectual abilities and also creativity. These posted IQ values of Newton, Descartes and Galilei either are results of "old" tests or post mortem estimations (I have only heard of J. W. von Goethe with IQ 180). ...

[zoooooo7]

My comment - part 1

By the way, IQ-tests have scales, some scales do not exeed 140, others have maximum 150, and some special tests allow values above 200. The highest known record is of a woman, M. vos Savant, 228 (Does she play chess? I do not know. At least her name is not popular in chess society.)

I have read that two men share position two with IQ 197.

It is hard to estimate IQs of persons who lived before 20th century - ...

[newzild]

I don't think there's much relation between IQ and chess ability. My IQ is 148. I've been playing chess for 10 years, and my elo is barely 2000.

[sandydragon69]

fischer possessed an extraordinary memory. It is said he has never forgotten a game he has played or an analysis he has read.!!!!!Bobby Fischer's IQ was estimated to be 187,Which is the all time high IQ ever recorded of any person till date!!,much higher than Sir Isacc Newton(183),Albert Einstein(160), Rene Descartes(180) and Galileo Galilei(185).

[HoliCrapItsAllan]

umm look up Marilyn Savant buddy.

[fromlochau]

average iq in this room 180

[EGarrett01]

Hah, maybe more like 135-140. Kasparov took an IQ test a few years ago and scored 135, though he's probably a bit higher.

Fischer's IQ was in the 167-180 range. Which is crazy.

[griff868686]

IQ tests mean nothing in this arena.

[Nibblefreight]

True..

[bigfriki]

@griff868686 I would say it's all the contrary, outside of the arena you need more than just an incredible brain. Chess is apart from knowing tactics much about creating, preventing, and adapting tactics, and that's not sth. to learn so easily. But just my opinion.

[neizetetz]

@bigfriki

Studies, the IQ is not everything, depends on other factors such as the brain networks

And i have 146

[andreasbn]

some brains working here :D

[Miracle67]

awesome!