come on people,if the US knew they were coming ,why not be waiting for them,jump them,win the war in a day?the US wouldn't need a body count to convince Americans to go to war,being attacked is enough.Military incompetence is to blame,admirals love their ships ,they don't want to see them die.lets not forget most admirals at the time didn't think aircraft were a problems for a battleship to fight off. war in Europe for 2 years,no battleships were lost to air attacks in that time
@Mrdadeoo "winning the war in a day", if it were possible, does not fulfill the objectives of FDR which was to mobilize the country for war. Look at the state of US military before Pearl Harbor, it was using WW1 equipment in the Philippines, its largest military outpost in the Pacific. Japan had more carriers. Even P-40's were obsolete. FDR had to get congressional approval and public support to mobilize. You have to study the facts and history and it will make better sense
It's possible it is the Arizona. If so it is a bit into the explosion. In the very beginning the explosion was vented up the stack then became larger and the magazine went.
@BrooksRowlett This is the USS ARIZONA, look at the harbor and you can see that it is real. I gave this film clip the the ARIZONA Memorial along with several other film clips for research. They said they had never seen it before and happy to get it.
Its funny how the Japanese seem to NOT want to take responsibility for what happened on December 7, 1941. The Magic Code at the time of the attack were not privy to the President and we "Knew" of an attack coming somewhere but believed it would be in the Philippines or Singapore because they were closer. The United States never thought that the Japanese Navy would travel over the Pacific Ocean and attack the Hawaiian Islands.
@hunab3425 Many of the Japanese people disagreed with the attack too. Many of them did not want war with America and the attack went against the Bushido code of honor. But this was the Pearl harbor attack was really the only sure way to win a war against America with our fleet crippled and hawaii defenseless Japan would not have to worry about America.
The Americans knew about the hit because they had intercepted everything! They needed the war, in order to send half of the men to combat and the other half to the military industry in order to help their economy! It was WW2 that made the US a superpower! Quit crying about Pearl Harbor and face the fact that even 60 years ago war was about money! Now the US do the same shit all over the world and spread democracy by killing women and children only because they live on ground with petrol!
@Galadrid quit dishonoring the people who died at Pearl Harbors memory. MAGIC barely cracked the ajapnese code, decoding it was slow going and by the time we knew about the attack it was only minutes before the harbor was hit. Besides We had nothing to gain from war with Japan and Germany. Quit it with your fucking conspiracy theories im sick of you people insulting those who died and those who couldnt stop it by saying they planned/let it happen
The reason it was unexpected is because on radar, the operator figured it was a formation of B-17 coming back from bombing runs. CRUCIAL MISTAKE. RIP all those lost<3
I disagree with the man below who opined FDR knew. If you're going to push conspiracy on such a scale, you can't limit it to FDR; after all, it takes at least 2 to conspire. How many people would have to know for FDR to know: Geo. Marshall, Adm King (CNO), intel chiefs of army and navy, their assistants? Think what you will about FDR, I say there is no way those officers are going to let their friends be incinerated on those ships and violate 30 yrs of service, their oath and the law.
@teller121 agreed if FDR knew all of his subordinates would have known. They would have to know, some of them would have known before FDR knew. No way in hell they would have all kept quiet if they knew about the attack or planned it.
ok, for the sake of argument let's just say that the U.S. knew the Japanese were coming. the talk of lives that could have been saved is short sighted. Can you imagine the carnage if the Rising Sun were allowed to continue their reign of terror in the far east? Australia would have been easy meat for Japan to invade and occupy.......the lives lost would have dwarfed the number of brave, yet hapless US servicemen at Pearl Harbor. A tragedy , yes. but it was a godsend to many many many people
FDR knew the Japs were coming but didn't warn Pearl Harbor! Top secret US govt documents and memo's detailing plans and communications before Pearl was attacked were released to the public by the 1966 Freedom Of Information Act directives by Pres. Clinton in 1995 released these documents. So those 2000+ sorry slobs could have been saved by the US govt but were sacrificed to force public opinion to go to war against Axis Powers. Read the book DAY OF DECEIT
@Merlin5by5 Uh hello! Some people still believe FDR when he he said it was a surprise attack. Even Hollywood portrays it as such I am not arguing war could be averted but the point is, the American people were lied to and lives could have been saved. And it wasn't the first or the last time either. In fact, the US govt has a history of lying to get public support for war. And still some people remain gullible and ignorant as ever
@AccordGTR Well, that's been going around for a long time. However, to really, really know, You had to Be There. "And still some people remain gullible and ignorant as ever" cuts both ways.
@Merlin5by5 Uh you didn't really read my post, you just comment using old info...the book was written after top secrets documents were declassified. It is based on the documented evidence that FDR not only knew but planned to antagonize the Japs to attack and kept vital info from military commanders at Pearl. US had a vast intelligence system in 1941, books shows that. The public didn't know
come on people,if the US knew they were coming ,why not be waiting for them,jump them,win the war in a day?the US wouldn't need a body count to convince Americans to go to war,being attacked is enough.Military incompetence is to blame,admirals love their ships ,they don't want to see them die.lets not forget most admirals at the time didn't think aircraft were a problems for a battleship to fight off. war in Europe for 2 years,no battleships were lost to air attacks in that time
Mrdadeoo 2 weeks ago
@Mrdadeoo "winning the war in a day", if it were possible, does not fulfill the objectives of FDR which was to mobilize the country for war. Look at the state of US military before Pearl Harbor, it was using WW1 equipment in the Philippines, its largest military outpost in the Pacific. Japan had more carriers. Even P-40's were obsolete. FDR had to get congressional approval and public support to mobilize. You have to study the facts and history and it will make better sense
AccordGTR 1 week ago
It's possible it is the Arizona. If so it is a bit into the explosion. In the very beginning the explosion was vented up the stack then became larger and the magazine went.
Daehawk 2 weeks ago
I think that this is the SHAW explosion not the ARIZONA, if it is real.
BrooksRowlett 2 months ago
@BrooksRowlett This is the USS ARIZONA, look at the harbor and you can see that it is real. I gave this film clip the the ARIZONA Memorial along with several other film clips for research. They said they had never seen it before and happy to get it.
sclischede 2 months ago
As long as the US refuses to take pre-emptive action against our enemies this will continue to happen,. i.e. Iran.
flyboy7588 2 months ago
Its funny how the Japanese seem to NOT want to take responsibility for what happened on December 7, 1941. The Magic Code at the time of the attack were not privy to the President and we "Knew" of an attack coming somewhere but believed it would be in the Philippines or Singapore because they were closer. The United States never thought that the Japanese Navy would travel over the Pacific Ocean and attack the Hawaiian Islands.
Madddawg44 2 months ago
Woo go Marines! (:
bevis498 2 months ago
@hunab3425 Many of the Japanese people disagreed with the attack too. Many of them did not want war with America and the attack went against the Bushido code of honor. But this was the Pearl harbor attack was really the only sure way to win a war against America with our fleet crippled and hawaii defenseless Japan would not have to worry about America.
warhawk9566 2 months ago
The Americans knew about the hit because they had intercepted everything! They needed the war, in order to send half of the men to combat and the other half to the military industry in order to help their economy! It was WW2 that made the US a superpower! Quit crying about Pearl Harbor and face the fact that even 60 years ago war was about money! Now the US do the same shit all over the world and spread democracy by killing women and children only because they live on ground with petrol!
Galadrid 2 months ago
@Galadrid quit dishonoring the people who died at Pearl Harbors memory. MAGIC barely cracked the ajapnese code, decoding it was slow going and by the time we knew about the attack it was only minutes before the harbor was hit. Besides We had nothing to gain from war with Japan and Germany. Quit it with your fucking conspiracy theories im sick of you people insulting those who died and those who couldnt stop it by saying they planned/let it happen
warhawk9566 2 months ago 3
The reason it was unexpected is because on radar, the operator figured it was a formation of B-17 coming back from bombing runs. CRUCIAL MISTAKE. RIP all those lost<3
bulletproof297 2 months ago
I disagree with the man below who opined FDR knew. If you're going to push conspiracy on such a scale, you can't limit it to FDR; after all, it takes at least 2 to conspire. How many people would have to know for FDR to know: Geo. Marshall, Adm King (CNO), intel chiefs of army and navy, their assistants? Think what you will about FDR, I say there is no way those officers are going to let their friends be incinerated on those ships and violate 30 yrs of service, their oath and the law.
teller121 4 months ago
@teller121 agreed if FDR knew all of his subordinates would have known. They would have to know, some of them would have known before FDR knew. No way in hell they would have all kept quiet if they knew about the attack or planned it.
warhawk9566 2 months ago
ok, for the sake of argument let's just say that the U.S. knew the Japanese were coming. the talk of lives that could have been saved is short sighted. Can you imagine the carnage if the Rising Sun were allowed to continue their reign of terror in the far east? Australia would have been easy meat for Japan to invade and occupy.......the lives lost would have dwarfed the number of brave, yet hapless US servicemen at Pearl Harbor. A tragedy , yes. but it was a godsend to many many many people
lotusfirebird 5 months ago
FDR knew the Japs were coming but didn't warn Pearl Harbor! Top secret US govt documents and memo's detailing plans and communications before Pearl was attacked were released to the public by the 1966 Freedom Of Information Act directives by Pres. Clinton in 1995 released these documents. So those 2000+ sorry slobs could have been saved by the US govt but were sacrificed to force public opinion to go to war against Axis Powers. Read the book DAY OF DECEIT
AccordGTR 6 months ago
@AccordGTR
OF course they knew the Japs were coming, but not to pearl harbor.
The assumed target was the british garrison at Hong Kong, or the british fleet then
in Singapore (Which was actually attacked on Dec 7). Sorry, every historian has
known about the radio intercept, the HULL conversations, and the 1940s failures
in communications for years, it's NOT news, and it's NOT proof of a giant
coverup. That is old hat, not something released by clinton.
Merlin5by5 6 months ago
@Merlin5by5 Uh hello! Some people still believe FDR when he he said it was a surprise attack. Even Hollywood portrays it as such I am not arguing war could be averted but the point is, the American people were lied to and lives could have been saved. And it wasn't the first or the last time either. In fact, the US govt has a history of lying to get public support for war. And still some people remain gullible and ignorant as ever
AccordGTR 6 months ago 2
@AccordGTR
No, actually, they were NOT lied to. Government simply keeps secret those concerns
that are inter-government. Consider what would have happened if the US simply
radio'ed that the Japanese ARE GOING TO ATTACK! Sorry, there is a reason an
alternate history is alternate, and Mainstream history is main stream.
No lies, no coverup, simply surprise attack, and 1940s communications problems.
The Giant, and Awkward ship of state can't be steered like a sports car.
Merlin5by5 6 months ago
@AccordGTR
Surprise attack has been the staple of world history since the middle ages, and if you
think they could talk across the country, then across the pacific, to HAWAII, with
the same speed and ease of today, you just don't get the picture.
Different country, different time, and claiming they always LIE is just as stupid as
it's always been. GULLIBLE? How about believing conspiracies of people
who knew a Japanese secret attack point, from 4,000 miles away?
When telegrams took days?
Merlin5by5 6 months ago
@AccordGTR Well, that's been going around for a long time. However, to really, really know, You had to Be There. "And still some people remain gullible and ignorant as ever" cuts both ways.
Weesel71 1 week ago
@AccordGTR Nope.
Alteonify 20 hours ago
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@Merlin5by5 Uh you didn't really read my post, you just comment using old info...the book was written after top secrets documents were declassified. It is based on the documented evidence that FDR not only knew but planned to antagonize the Japs to attack and kept vital info from military commanders at Pearl. US had a vast intelligence system in 1941, books shows that. The public didn't know
AccordGTR 1 week ago
@AccordGTR "Slobs"?
Robkat3751 3 months ago