Islam is only one Path of One GOD. All prophets including Noah Ibrahim Moses Jacob Jesus & Muhammad [peace on all] were Muslims & their true followers also called them self Muslims. All other religions are man-made. i.e True followers of Jesus used to call themselves "Muslim Hawariyoon". Hawariyoon is is plural of HAAR and Haar mean a white-grabbed one mean who used to wear always white cloths. History also confirms this truth. The false dogma of Christianity was invented by Paul & not by Eisa
Masha'Allah. This is beautiful. Islam is the perfect religion. Allah ta ala has stated in the Qu'ran that He have perfected this religion for you in detail whereas no doubt. This is one of the reasons i've turn to islam because of its discipline and the belief in one God.
To be honest, I don't really care about what other people believe, but I just wanted to mention the fact that, many people disagree from any religion, because science proves that it isn't real, unfortunately for them, Islam is totally set up with sciene, it has prove. I just wanted to mention this lol
This actually made me cry, I've been a Muslim all my life and so are all my family, but we don't have the same passion for Islam that the people who convert to Islam do.
Who says that Christ is GOD, will never enter in paradise but for sure in Hell:
In Quran verse 5:72 Allah says: "Indeed, the truth deny they who say, "Behold, God is the Christ, son of Mary" - seeing that the Christ [himself] said, "O children of Israel! Worship God [alone], who is my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer." Behold, whoever ascribes divinity to any being beside God, unto him will God deny paradise, & his goal shall be the fire: & such evildoers will have none to succour them!"
The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man
@Saneej: Reason why Thomas did not believe in Christianity : another quate from him "Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
To whom thinks that Islam support violence , please read the Quran and tells me where it supports violence or read Hadiths Sahih and tell me so .The 1 commiting vile acts of suicide which lead straight to hell then say Allah Akbar are either brain washed or terrorist wanting to give bad reputation to Islam .I can assure you that Islam is a religion of peace .Any1 wanting to debate aim me at grimm703
sharkfriend@ there is a God and it`s not that hard to understand that... look around you are you telling me there`s no one creates the world that we are livig in?
5. but when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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YES, ISLAM is perfect.
i.e ISLAM that was preached by the HOLY PROPHET and the AHLUL BAYT.
@ajzden I just wanted to share my feelings, because I was almost up to bad things, but now I am ok again. I want to be passionated again.. do u wanna talk to me ? :$
Simple. Open Your Qur'an, one page says to kill one is to kill an entire nation. Another says that you should kill those who are unprotected that do not worship "allah" Please, prove me wrong. I Dare You.
U guys attack Islam and Muslims as if u are perfect. Well if u claim that islam is unjust the u are judgemental because u haven't actually read about Islam. U just say wot the media has forced u into believing. If u and I were told that by next month we will both
The middle eastern Muslims should take a lesson from this... you know, the ones who do beheadings and kill people for drinking alcohol, and stone their daughters for unmarried sex?
You don't get people to join your religion with violence, nor saying shit like "BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM"
I know every Muslim doesn't say/do this, but this just turns people off, and turns them away from your religion.
If you say Muslim is a peaceful religion, then BE a peaceful religion.
Muhammed was a false prophet that made it all up. He took 23 years dictating the Koran, that word of god that was SO important.
And for all you non-muslim readers. Islam is not a religion, it is a form of governernment. It is peaceful towards muslims, and only muslims are considdered innocent. Jews and christians are considdered apes and pigs.
Islam is called peaceful because they believe there will be peace when all the world is finally muslim.
The number speek for themselves. Which part is rubbish specifically? You tell me what is rubbish, and I will present data and/or challange to you for all to see.
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
Surah 9:5.
Please, sure if you join Islam they';ll love you. What if they don't?
@shiekoselim It just proves Islam to be False, Muhammed to be false, and Allah to be false. A true god would have gotten it right in the first place and would not need to make a better verse, or cause any to be forgotten (2:106)
I believe there are no "muslim extremist" just muslims who actually read the qur'an and are brainwashed into thinking it's ok to kill. Know what MY BIBLE SAYS? Pray for those who persecute you, love your enemy, if they hit you, turn the other cheek. You qur'an may say things similar to this, but no doubt they contradict at some point in it. I'm not afraid to pull up a qur'an,i've read parts, some are good, but the bad weighs out to imperfection. I Love MY JESUS who died LOVES ME AND YOU!
No. Although I'm Athiest, I am against Islam because It is the NAZI's of the 21st century. I was raised protestant and even though I do not believe in christanity, At least it's peaceful for the most part.
@kellerr13 I wanted to discuss this ; Protestants believe is mady by human, it is no religion, only catholic. So you actually don't believe in a religion only in humanism right ?
@dfdf03 All religions were made by man, its a fact. You have not heard of any religion on earth, that did not come from another human being first, either by mouth, or by writing. As a religion, they all came from people who CLAIM they were spoken to by a god, or a god spoke though them, and there is nothing to prove that they were anything other than simply crazy.
However, som will argue that it's not about proof, but about having faith. In that case you are having faith in man not lying.
Thwe problem is, you think EVERYTHING is unjust if it is not of Islam or in agreement of Islam. Islam itself is unjust, is a system which promotes violence against non-muslims. it is NOT peaceful, unless all non-muslims considder it peaceful as well.
It is not how they feel that defines Islam. It is the actions they take towards non-muslims. It is the views of the non-muslims that are attacked by muslims, which defines Islam.
When are you people going to understand that Islam is not a new religion? It is the same God's religion which was breached by all the prophets of God since Adam. The reason why God sent all these prophets, the last of whom is Mohammed, was because people lost the right path and went astray, after some of them, either priests or politicians, introduced new rules and tried to use religion to their own benefit. Read the history of religion and you will find that is true.
When Jesus came, he wasnt planning to replace the original Jewish Religion of Abraham and Moses, neither did Mohammed. That is why Muslims believe in all the previous prophets and the original divine messages of God that He sent to the human race through them.
Even though Muslims believe in all the prophets and their messages, they can't be Jewish and Christians, because the understanding of the divine messages Jews and Christians believe and breach have been corrupted by the people after the prophets died, and that is why God has found it necessary to send Mohammed to put people back on track.
Not all muslims are terrorist, but most terrorist are muslims.
A majority of muslims support a voilent act in support of Islam.
When somebody draws cartoons, or writes a book, they are in the streets by the thousands, but after 9/11 how many muslims were in the streets protesting against those that "hijacked islam"?
I have yet to see a single organized or unorganized protest ANYWHERE.
there were protests. Its just that no1 ever mentions them. The western media aims to vilify Islam, and not show Islam in a good light. Im not paranoid. Its the truth. Most muslims will tell you the same thing. And the "Not all muslims are terrorist, but most terrorist are muslims." claim is kinda silly. I guess you havnt heard of the tamil tigers, the IRA, the KKK, nazis.
Even the muslims themselves did not record them or we would have seen them. Show one. and as for most terrorist being muslims, simply compare the number of suicide bombers of Islam to the suicide bombers of all other faiths combined, and there are still many more of them that were muslim.
@TheJacolyte I wish not only islam terror was on tv, but also Islam peace, because only the terror is shown, so it is obvious for the people to think like that. However, I want my grandchildren to live a peacefull live on this world, lets just havee epeaceee together !!! who is in ? lol
@dfdf03 I'm with you. I wish everyone would get adequate exposure to what is happening in the world. That way, we could put an end to a lot of pain, heartache, death, torture, and fighting. Not just the good things, but all of the bad. Everyone should be aware of what's happening, no matter how ugly it is.
@TheJacolyte Have you ever wondered why any other religion like Judaism,Christianity,Hinduism,Jainism,Buddhish Paganism or even bloody Scientologists continually claim that their religion is all about peace?
No.well you see they dont have to really as all those religions are actually peaceful and dont fly planes into buildings,,stone women to death,hang homosexuals,amputate the limbs off children,force women to dress like tents in the fucking desert unlike muhammad's (pig shit b u h ) cult.
MashAllah... Truly, for those who reflect, there is guidance... unlike to those who open the Qur'an with the intention of finding its error, such are people who avoid truth. God guides whom He will.
wow it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Islam is amazing...it makes me feel connected to all muslims around the world, and we must remember not to seperate ourselves from diffrent sects of muslims. At the end of the day we all belive in islam, and allah and the messengers of allah. PLease remember this.
Islam is only one Path of One GOD. All prophets including Noah Ibrahim Moses Jacob Jesus & Muhammad [peace on all] were Muslims & their true followers also called them self Muslims. All other religions are man-made. i.e True followers of Jesus used to call themselves "Muslim Hawariyoon". Hawariyoon is is plural of HAAR and Haar mean a white-grabbed one mean who used to wear always white cloths. History also confirms this truth. The false dogma of Christianity was invented by Paul & not by Eisa
PurgingFalsehood 3 months ago
MashAllah brother
Sister Laila :)
anitamata29 8 months ago
Allahu akbar mashaAllaah.. may Allaah keep u strong and steadfast upon the truth with the rest of the nation of Prophet Muhammad SAW Ameen ya Rabb
aaisha22 9 months ago
2 no reality of islam plz go 2 yusuf estes.com or youtube.com/user/rekkitten
TheAngelofliberty 9 months ago
kill wafa sultan who disgraced Prophet!!!!!
mustafa6278 10 months ago
May as well suck the penis of Satan himself...
jrmhrpr 11 months ago
@jrmhrpr There was no need to tell us what you have been doing sicne your birth.
JackSparrowDepp 10 months ago
Masha'Allah. This is beautiful. Islam is the perfect religion. Allah ta ala has stated in the Qu'ran that He have perfected this religion for you in detail whereas no doubt. This is one of the reasons i've turn to islam because of its discipline and the belief in one God.
ikeenaXxX 1 year ago
To be honest, I don't really care about what other people believe, but I just wanted to mention the fact that, many people disagree from any religion, because science proves that it isn't real, unfortunately for them, Islam is totally set up with sciene, it has prove. I just wanted to mention this lol
dfdf03 1 year ago
This actually made me cry, I've been a Muslim all my life and so are all my family, but we don't have the same passion for Islam that the people who convert to Islam do.
YRx3 1 year ago
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Norman Finkelstein
Noam Chomsky
Alison weir
Paul Findley
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Tanya Reinhart
xanderkhaan 1 year ago
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Factszz 1 year ago
Who says that Christ is GOD, will never enter in paradise but for sure in Hell:
In Quran verse 5:72 Allah says: "Indeed, the truth deny they who say, "Behold, God is the Christ, son of Mary" - seeing that the Christ [himself] said, "O children of Israel! Worship God [alone], who is my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer." Behold, whoever ascribes divinity to any being beside God, unto him will God deny paradise, & his goal shall be the fire: & such evildoers will have none to succour them!"
PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago
President Thomas Jefferson Said:
The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man
PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago
@Saneej: Reason why Thomas did not believe in Christianity : another quate from him "Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
saneejmc 1 year ago
To whom thinks that Islam support violence , please read the Quran and tells me where it supports violence or read Hadiths Sahih and tell me so .The 1 commiting vile acts of suicide which lead straight to hell then say Allah Akbar are either brain washed or terrorist wanting to give bad reputation to Islam .I can assure you that Islam is a religion of peace .Any1 wanting to debate aim me at grimm703
grimm703 1 year ago
sharkfriend@ there is a God and it`s not that hard to understand that... look around you are you telling me there`s no one creates the world that we are livig in?
dararac 1 year ago
christians say there are different gods... muslims say theres one... I say...there is no god.
I do not want to be a slave to a god that doesn`t exist.
women&men are equal thats a reason I wouldn`t wanna be muslim (personally), christians also have absurd ideas like about gay`s, virginety...
I shoose to be free...
sharkfriend 1 year ago
Just beautiful. Welcome to Islam, brother.
DawnOfRandomness23 1 year ago
@ shiekoselim
let me qoute the exact verse for you:
5. but when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
-----------
YES, ISLAM is perfect.
i.e ISLAM that was preached by the HOLY PROPHET and the AHLUL BAYT.
ajzden 1 year ago
@ajzden I just wanted to share my feelings, because I was almost up to bad things, but now I am ok again. I want to be passionated again.. do u wanna talk to me ? :$
dfdf03 1 year ago
@ajzden could you maybe also send me some information about the existence of the world ? thanks buddy !
dfdf03 1 year ago
@dfdf03
get a copy of the "Translation of the Holy Quran" my friend.
and read it thoroughly...I am still making my way through, trying to understand it with my very minimal knowledge.
If you can...try reading "Peak of eloquence"
the following the link to that page:
al-islam.org/nahj/
ajzden 1 year ago
fo all guys who attack islam..:
you have been controled by the media it's the mind controle..
before attack a relegion you have to know what's exactly the point!!!
chichoballack 2 years ago
Simple. Open Your Qur'an, one page says to kill one is to kill an entire nation. Another says that you should kill those who are unprotected that do not worship "allah" Please, prove me wrong. I Dare You.
shiekoselim 1 year ago
@chichoballack;
thats why i dont wanna be muslim or christian... or whatever ``god`` there is...
because I do know about t. Women are equal to men are equal to gay`s are equal to everyone...
religion mostly tells otherwhise
sharkfriend 1 year ago
U guys attack Islam and Muslims as if u are perfect. Well if u claim that islam is unjust the u are judgemental because u haven't actually read about Islam. U just say wot the media has forced u into believing. If u and I were told that by next month we will both
theydontknowyet 2 years ago
why...
MrAsper1992 2 years ago
Masha Allah
CbangTV 3 years ago 6
The middle eastern Muslims should take a lesson from this... you know, the ones who do beheadings and kill people for drinking alcohol, and stone their daughters for unmarried sex?
You don't get people to join your religion with violence, nor saying shit like "BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM"
I know every Muslim doesn't say/do this, but this just turns people off, and turns them away from your religion.
If you say Muslim is a peaceful religion, then BE a peaceful religion.
TheJacolyte 3 years ago 2
Islam is very peaceful religion, but if we are subjected to unjust, we are ordered to fight back. I think that is fair.
falkhalili 3 years ago
Someone drinking alcohol is not doing unjust.
There is no reason to beat people because you don't like what they drink.
TheJacolyte 3 years ago 2
Nobody beats someone for drinking alchohol
300695kzk 2 years ago
Muhammed was a false prophet that made it all up. He took 23 years dictating the Koran, that word of god that was SO important.
And for all you non-muslim readers. Islam is not a religion, it is a form of governernment. It is peaceful towards muslims, and only muslims are considdered innocent. Jews and christians are considdered apes and pigs.
Islam is called peaceful because they believe there will be peace when all the world is finally muslim.
kellerr13 2 years ago
kellerr13,
What you are saying is rubbish. Just read, and learn Islam before you think you can say anything about it..
falkhalili 2 years ago
The number speek for themselves. Which part is rubbish specifically? You tell me what is rubbish, and I will present data and/or challange to you for all to see.
kellerr13 2 years ago
Finally a CHALLENGE!
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
Surah 9:5.
Please, sure if you join Islam they';ll love you. What if they don't?
You think Islam is Perfect?
KILL THE UNBELIEVER?
shiekoselim 1 year ago
@shiekoselim It just proves Islam to be False, Muhammed to be false, and Allah to be false. A true god would have gotten it right in the first place and would not need to make a better verse, or cause any to be forgotten (2:106)
kellerr13 1 year ago
I believe there are no "muslim extremist" just muslims who actually read the qur'an and are brainwashed into thinking it's ok to kill. Know what MY BIBLE SAYS? Pray for those who persecute you, love your enemy, if they hit you, turn the other cheek. You qur'an may say things similar to this, but no doubt they contradict at some point in it. I'm not afraid to pull up a qur'an,i've read parts, some are good, but the bad weighs out to imperfection. I Love MY JESUS who died LOVES ME AND YOU!
shiekoselim 1 year ago
@shiekoselim So are you muslim or christian?
kellerr13 1 year ago
Christian. Are you going to get a bunch of verses from the old testament and showed me how God killed people?
shiekoselim 1 year ago
No. Although I'm Athiest, I am against Islam because It is the NAZI's of the 21st century. I was raised protestant and even though I do not believe in christanity, At least it's peaceful for the most part.
kellerr13 1 year ago
@kellerr13 I wanted to discuss this ; Protestants believe is mady by human, it is no religion, only catholic. So you actually don't believe in a religion only in humanism right ?
peace buddy !
dfdf03 1 year ago
@dfdf03 All religions were made by man, its a fact. You have not heard of any religion on earth, that did not come from another human being first, either by mouth, or by writing. As a religion, they all came from people who CLAIM they were spoken to by a god, or a god spoke though them, and there is nothing to prove that they were anything other than simply crazy.
However, som will argue that it's not about proof, but about having faith. In that case you are having faith in man not lying.
kellerr13 1 year ago
Allah azza wa jal guides whom He wills. There is still time to be sincere.
bm897 2 years ago
Thwe problem is, you think EVERYTHING is unjust if it is not of Islam or in agreement of Islam. Islam itself is unjust, is a system which promotes violence against non-muslims. it is NOT peaceful, unless all non-muslims considder it peaceful as well.
kellerr13 2 years ago
Exactly, when non-Muslims read Islan objectively they find it peaceful and just, contrary to your propagand. That is why they convert to Islam.
MegaMavric 2 years ago
It is not how they feel that defines Islam. It is the actions they take towards non-muslims. It is the views of the non-muslims that are attacked by muslims, which defines Islam.
kellerr13 2 years ago
If non-muslims found it peaceful, then why is there so much conflict with Islam?
Your words are not true, even if you think they are.
kellerr13 2 years ago
When are you people going to understand that Islam is not a new religion? It is the same God's religion which was breached by all the prophets of God since Adam. The reason why God sent all these prophets, the last of whom is Mohammed, was because people lost the right path and went astray, after some of them, either priests or politicians, introduced new rules and tried to use religion to their own benefit. Read the history of religion and you will find that is true.
MegaMavric 2 years ago
When Jesus came, he wasnt planning to replace the original Jewish Religion of Abraham and Moses, neither did Mohammed. That is why Muslims believe in all the previous prophets and the original divine messages of God that He sent to the human race through them.
MegaMavric 2 years ago
Even though Muslims believe in all the prophets and their messages, they can't be Jewish and Christians, because the understanding of the divine messages Jews and Christians believe and breach have been corrupted by the people after the prophets died, and that is why God has found it necessary to send Mohammed to put people back on track.
MegaMavric 2 years ago
Sorry, I used "Breach" instead of "Preach".. my bad English!!
MegaMavric 2 years ago
@falkhalili I think you're out of your fucking mind if you think someone drinking alcohol requires a "fight back" response.
TheJacolyte 1 year ago
I as a muslim cannot control nor would I want to control the actions of every muslim in the world.
Islam is the religion not muslims. Muslims are the people who choose to practice Islam and may not always do it right.
Muslims are human beings who get things wrong too and Islam needs no defense because I believe it to be the perfect religion.
onenationbyallah 2 years ago
Not all muslims are terrorist, but most terrorist are muslims.
A majority of muslims support a voilent act in support of Islam.
When somebody draws cartoons, or writes a book, they are in the streets by the thousands, but after 9/11 how many muslims were in the streets protesting against those that "hijacked islam"?
I have yet to see a single organized or unorganized protest ANYWHERE.
Let that be your proof.
kellerr13 2 years ago
there were protests. Its just that no1 ever mentions them. The western media aims to vilify Islam, and not show Islam in a good light. Im not paranoid. Its the truth. Most muslims will tell you the same thing. And the "Not all muslims are terrorist, but most terrorist are muslims." claim is kinda silly. I guess you havnt heard of the tamil tigers, the IRA, the KKK, nazis.
bm897 2 years ago
Even the muslims themselves did not record them or we would have seen them. Show one. and as for most terrorist being muslims, simply compare the number of suicide bombers of Islam to the suicide bombers of all other faiths combined, and there are still many more of them that were muslim.
kellerr13 2 years ago
We are not fooled by that "Islam is peaceful" nonsense any more. The numbers speak for themselves. Islam supports vuiolence against non-muslims.
kellerr13 2 years ago
@TheJacolyte I wish not only islam terror was on tv, but also Islam peace, because only the terror is shown, so it is obvious for the people to think like that. However, I want my grandchildren to live a peacefull live on this world, lets just havee epeaceee together !!! who is in ? lol
dfdf03 1 year ago
@dfdf03 I'm with you. I wish everyone would get adequate exposure to what is happening in the world. That way, we could put an end to a lot of pain, heartache, death, torture, and fighting. Not just the good things, but all of the bad. Everyone should be aware of what's happening, no matter how ugly it is.
TheJacolyte 1 year ago
@TheJacolyte Have you ever wondered why any other religion like Judaism,Christianity,Hinduism,Jainism,Buddhish Paganism or even bloody Scientologists continually claim that their religion is all about peace?
No.well you see they dont have to really as all those religions are actually peaceful and dont fly planes into buildings,,stone women to death,hang homosexuals,amputate the limbs off children,force women to dress like tents in the fucking desert unlike muhammad's (pig shit b u h ) cult.
arseneltic 1 year ago
@arseneltic That is a very profound statement my friend.
TheJacolyte 1 year ago
nice :)
aliet07 3 years ago 4
MashAllah... Truly, for those who reflect, there is guidance... unlike to those who open the Qur'an with the intention of finding its error, such are people who avoid truth. God guides whom He will.
fussfreechic 3 years ago 3
Masha Allah beautiful
Amaanullah1 3 years ago 2
alhamdo lilah welcom brother to islam the real diin
chabah83 3 years ago 3
Bless you brother and welcome to the perfect faith for humanity !!
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TonyJ017 3 years ago
Mashallah!!!
Keranu 4 years ago 2
Masha Allah
galbeejaber 4 years ago 2
Lies with violence not peace behind the lies.
Imedia11 4 years ago 3
Mashallah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
redman19892003 4 years ago 3
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yeah, and wheres the proof? again none... poor performance...
pikechris1 4 years ago
wow it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Islam is amazing...it makes me feel connected to all muslims around the world, and we must remember not to seperate ourselves from diffrent sects of muslims. At the end of the day we all belive in islam, and allah and the messengers of allah. PLease remember this.
meyaniochs 4 years ago 3
SalaamAlaikum, Thanks for Sharing, MASHALLAH.
spiritlite 4 years ago