Ibrahim never struggled with integrity. He was kind and generous, gave the best land to his cousin just like how he slaughtered the best for his guests. No deceitfulness wove into Ibrahim's family. The splinter is in your eye.
Just because you can't leave your pork chops, you can't change the law of God to say that you will be saved by believe alone. You need both, keep the commandments and believe in God, Don't be extreme in you religion, thread the middle path.
So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves
As for the last point made by Shabir Ally about mismatch of accounts, these gospels were written by mathew, mark, luke and john not necessarly on the same day the events happened but purhaps later maybe after months or years and as with such accounts they contradict in date the events took place but the events all conform to each other as in the case of the trimphant entry into Jerusalem-cursing the fig tree -entering the temple.
@Lamuares God meant the legitimate child of Abraham. It was not any miracle for a man of 100 & a girl to have a child. Gods gift came through Sarah,90. The Bible says , when Isaac was born Sarah asked Abraham to send Ishmael and Hagar away. But Abraham was concerned as he thought Ismael was also his son. But God told him not to be afraid for the boy and the slave. Do as Sarah tells as it is through Isaac that you will have the descendants that i promised. That is why they were sent away.
so Israel that's what everyone answer is when its been taken over by Zionist, but doesn't god say the promise of a new Jerusalem for the chosen of god in the new testament.
Are Mark and Luke witnesses of Jesus? How come when they never see Jesus? Their Gospels were written 40 to 80 years after Jesus by getting some kind of information from those who witness that what they saw at Jesus time !
God should have said to Abraham: "sacrificed your ONLY son Isaac"! (so i understand because of "only" that ismael wasnt there) how Isaac will be the only son, when the bible says that ismael is 14 years older than Isaac. This was not isaac, so ismael had to be sacrificed? (((if you want proof i can show you in the bible)))
this whole topic is an excuse for christians to reject the last messenger Prophet Muhammad (saas) the successor of Jesus (pbuh) ishmael was older, issac came years after. Both are prophets of Allah, thus we should love them as well
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The Holy Bible was written by 40 people over a period of 1600 yrs. Why we should believe in one man's testimony which totally contradict the previous scriptures?
The entire Quran is about 20% of The Bible. Muhammad never read NT or OT.
The information he recited is from heretical Christians settled in Medina and Talmud and Mid rah Judaism
Christians are not under the Mosaic covenant,exactly like Abraham and Noah were not under the Mosaic covenant. Jesus established the new covenant and fulfilled the old covenant. Why should we go back, when God promised the new covenant through all prophets?
EVEN IN THE REMOTEST PROBABILITY THAT IT WAS ISAAC, THEN WE BELIEVE HE WAS MUSLIM ALSO. SO EITHER WAY THE COVENANT IS WITH THE MUSLIMS NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
God promised the covanent for Issac before Ismael was born according to the Bible.It was Abraham and Sarah brought the "human idea of bringing Hagar during the waiting period for Issac" because of their lack of faith in God's promise.
Why should then God should chaneg His mind? Because God already promised the covanent before Ismael was born.
'Thine only son "because Abrham send Hagar with Ismael already.
Why then there was no prophet through Ismael line until Muhammad/Islam
THE COVENANT IS CLEARLY WITH ISHMAEL BUT THE LYING SCRIBS CHANGED THE WORDS, BUT WE CAN SEE THAT EVEN NOW WITH WHOME THE COVENANT RESIDES. THE JEWS ARE THE SCOURGE ON THIS PLANET NO MATTER WHAT, THE MUSLIMS ARE BLESSED NO MATTER WHAT THE ZIONISTS AND THEIR SATANIC MINIONS ARE DOING.
GOD'S TRIUMPH IS WITH THE MUSLIMS, LOOK THE SCRIPTURES. THE ONLY BOOK UNCHANGED SINCE REVELATION IS THE QUR'AN. THERE ARE NO COPIES OF THE BIBLE OLDER THAN QUR'AN.
@sopranoms israel is def the chosen land, summary: they were sissy to fight 4 their land, event though God gauranteed victory to Moses. they killed several of their fellow Israelite prophets. read Quran surah Baqarah (The Cow). a small minority were actual believers.
Muslims cannot understand the bible as they dont have the Holy Spirit.The bible says
Muslims cannot understand the Holy Bible because the bible says "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."1 Cor 2:14
@quranevil SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YOU..WE UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE BETTER THAN YOU. I AM MYSELF A REVERT, FORMER JEW WHO SPOKE HEBREW. YOU ARE JUST A LITTLE GOY WHO HAS BEEN INDOCTRINATED BY YOUR PREACHER. BTW, YOU PREACHER IS PROBABLY IN THE POCKET IN ONE OF THE JEWISH ORGANIZATION FUNDING HIM TO KEEP YOU BRAINWASHED AND INDOCTRINATED.
YOU NEED TO PRAY TO GOD AND ASK HIM TO LEAD YOU TO THE RIGHT PATH OF SALVATION. THERE IS NO SALVATION THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.
Genesis 22:2 doesn’t mention the covenant, you brought it up! When it is just mentioning Isaac is THE ONLY SON Abraham have!! Genesis 17:10 says the covenant is to circumcise the males! 17:23 Ismael is circumcised, explain how Ismael is excluded from the covenant when he was circumcised even before Isaac was born?!
@bozzeed hi, ONLY SOn is explained Romans chapter 9 v6-9.
"It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned" (Genesis 21:12) This means it is not the NATURAL children who are Gods children but it is the children of the promise (Isaac) who are regarded as Abrahams offspring. Similarly, God chose Jacob and not the older Esau even before their birth. "JAcob i have loved , Esau i have hated" MAlachi chpter 1. Therefore Isaac was the ONLY SON of the promise.
@bozzeed Isaac is the heir. As he is the son of promise. A man's son from his legal wife is alwaya the legal heir, sons from harems are not legit heirs. Ishmael was born out of sin, fornication. Ishmael was the bastard son, not legitimate. Sarah convinced Abraham to sleep with the servant woman. Sarah wants to kick out hagar and Ishmael, Abraham is unhappy, but God tells Abraham to listen to Sarah.
Genesis 17:21 " But my covenant I will establish with Isaac " Genesis 21:12 “ And God said unto Abraham "..“ for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. ' Islam says that Ishmael was chosen instead of Isaac? Islam has a very serious problem. If Ishmael was the chosen one, then why are all the Bible stories about Isaac and Jacob; whose name, Allah changed to Israel. If Ishmael was the chosen, why is Allah for Israel instead of Ishmael? This proves that Isaac is the chosen as the scriptures say.
@acceptjesus1 nope, islam doesnt say Ismael was chosen instead of Isaac but to believe in isaac and all the prophets!! Genesis 17:21 what does the covenant mean?!! ismael was born out of sin?! which is worst being born out of sin? or committing the sin which is fornication by Abraham?why did God permit Abraham to commit fornication and ban it later?!
@bozzeed That's one of the problems, you don't know what the covenant means. God permitted because he has given all men the right to excersise their free will. In this case Sarah persuaded Abraham, they are both sinners, nobody is disputing that. Their number one sin is that they did not trust God when he promised to abraham a son through sarah because she was 90 years old. Gen 17:19 Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son, Isaac, and I will establish my covenant with him forever.
@bozzeed Read the whole chapter Genesis 17, and you will see that the covenant ends with an everlasting covenant with isaac, so you see that the covenant of circumsion is only a sign. The covenant with Isaac is the whole story of Israel, read the NT and see how it all fits perfectly like a puzzle. well, for you if God was only interested in circumsision as the covenant, then that's your choice. good luck.
@bozzeed The Covenant to Abraham fulfilled is explained in great detail. Read the book of Hebrews in the New testament, written by the biggest former persecutor of Jesus, a Pharisee rabbi. Saul who chamged his name to Paul, as he was chosen by Jesus to be a great witness for him to the Gentiles. Saul's conversion Acts 9:4.
@bozzeed If you notice.....God did not give Abraham a great revelation of his promises for 14 years after he went to hagar....MAny of the characters in the bible had commited great sins but repented. Though they were punished , God had mercy on them and restored them. Moses murdered, David commited adultery, JAcob was deceiver, Noah was drunker, Sampson was kinda reckless and so on. Salvation is through Gods grace.
@maradanego i read the whole chapter 17 it says 17:9,10 the covenant is circumcision 17:21 the covenant (of circumscision) will be established by Isaac 17:23,24,27 the covenant ( of circumcision) was not established by Isaac but by Ismael and many others!! in new test. acts 15 Paul made people abandon the covenant (of circumcision which was not established by Isaac). god interested in circumcision as covenant is not my choise, it is what YOUR BOOK SAYS!!
@maradanego if salvation is through Gods grace, then i sure with his grace he will forgive me if i raped your mother just as he forgived other sinners and rapists like david abraham jacop noah judah dont you think?
@bozzeed yes God would forgive you....if you truly repented with your heart ....but you will live with the consequences....and although i might want to break your face, i would have to forgive you too and leave punishment to God.....God will punish our sins but no one is too evil to be saved. Even Paul was killing many Christians before he converted....God still forgave him and loved him but he lived a hard life. All of the characters in the bible were greatly punished for what they did.....
@maradanego yes you might WANT to break my face but your religion asks you to be a PUSSY so you cant. where as i could MURDER you then RAPE your sister BOTH WAYS and SIDE WAYS then according to your religion if i repent your God will forgive me and bless me just as he blessed and DIDNT PUNISH king David who ( according to the bible!) MURDERED Uriah then RAPED Bathsheba and Abraham who (according to you!) committed fornication! :P
@bozzeed If u tried anything on me I wld kill you in self defnce....but i wouldnt go out to kill u....Ive only been saved for a few years...but i know of mature Christians who forgave people who tortured them and raped their family....the other people were touched so deeply that they came to faith as well.....even some commited suicide coz of shame, If you raped or killed you gonna be in jail for life..and possibly get raped by a man. Also if u truly repented you would be feeling so much sorrow
@bozzeed remember, thse people were specifically chosen by God for a purpose...If God chosen u, yes.....but u have to understand what is true repentance. Its a complete turn around of what u used to be.....its Hating sin...not just saying "sorry God, forgive me, I feel really bad" REPENTANCE is much more than that...when u repent...u look at sin through the eyes of God. u see your own filthyness and shame, guilt and u decide to completely turn arund your life to God...in all aspects of life
@maradanego what makes you so sure that your God did not choose me specifically to murder you then rape you sister then i repent and become an example for others to rape your sister and repent after?! did God kill ALL king david's sons? what about KING solomon? i wouldnt mind your God punishes me by blessing me and giving me a KING son.
@bozzeed God didnt tell David to commit sin...he did it out of his free will, it was his choice. And obviously ...king davids mistake was an example for us not to do what he did. Obviously, u also dont understand how its like to lose a children. David went through alot of greif during that period...you can read it in the psalm...he was in alot of heartache and pain.
@maradanego then king david was forgiven and blessed. so the same will happen to me if i murdered you and brutally raped your sister. i dont have children now so i will not loose any but after i repent your God will forgive me and bless me and give me alot of children of which will be kings like solomon and the rest will be blessed like abraham children who ( according to you!) fornicate with hager just as i could fornicate and brutally rape your sister.
@bozzeed U dont really understand..God is judge of everything..who can tell him what to do? he allowed Job suffer but he was a good man. All i say is we are told to love our enemies.. lets go bck to the story of David...before he becme king, Saul ws chasing David to try t kill him..he had already throw spear at him. While Saul was sleeping David could have killed him twice and taken the throne. But David spare his life twice. In end Saul left him alone and he ws kiled in battle. read prvte mssge
@bozzeed iam sure now. because u just called urself a good man.......no one is good ONLY God is good....We r all sinners who deserve death. David knew that he was saved by mercy of God and NOT his goodness.. thats why he showed so much mercy to his enemies....he even wept when Saul was killed, and he composed a song to glorify his enemy....His understanding of Gods mercy on himself...led him to show mercy on others. Read psalm 51:4, 14:3. We all desrve hell..we r saved by Gods grace thrgh Jesus
@maradanego you are right. no one is good ONLY God is good....We r all sinners who deserve death INCLUDING JESUS matthew 19:17 note the word ONE! otherwise he would have said "I" if he is God!!
@bozzeed yes ive heard this arguemnt many times....its simple to understand but i will explain to u in prsonal message if u want more detail. Basicaly the rich man thinks Jesus is just a (human) teacher, so Jesus tells him ONLY God is good. Ths rich man thuoght he kept the whole law prfect but Jesus showd him that he couldnt keep the law perfctly becoz he placed money as his God...thts why he walked away with sorrow..so what did Jesus say in end? "then come TAKE UP THE CROSS and follow ME"
@bozzeed they understood the same thing....the covenant was through Isaac and not Ishmael....the covenant is not to circumcise...the SIGN of the covenant is circumcision....means totaly differnt....Ishmael was born from a mistake. Sarah and Abraham wanted to hrry the promses of God in their own effort..the result was alot of conflict and greifs...they didnt consult God before they did it. But ISaac was born form a miracle, a promise that required the visitation of God..21v1. result ws great joy
@bozzeed (NO BODY MENTIONED CLOUDS!! IT SAYS !! Elijah Taken Up to Heaven!!! (Numbers 22:27-30))
This may be a bit hard to grasp, but when we die, we enter into eternity. We don't remain in time. God is already residing in eternity, His word was written in eternity, & creation was created by & through an eternal God. That's why the word says that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That is why I tell you that there are no new words from God & that God's word didn't change. It can't.
@AllForYeshua (2 kings 2:11) the bible doesnt mention that Elijah DIED!! it mentions Elijah was WALKING, a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated Elija and Elisha, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. 2:12 Elisha was this!! this contradicts with John 3:13!!. Genesis (2:2) i actually wanted to know from what God was resting?! and why is he resting?! was he tired?! even when being helped by jesus and the holyspirit?!
@bozzeed (why is he resting?! was he tired?! even when being helped by jesus and the holyspirit?!)
Rested simply means "done creating" which is what He is when all prophesy is fulfilled that is written in the word. Hebrews 4 explains it pretty good is you are truly interested.
(chariot of fire )
Not a contradiction. The chariot of fire is the Holy of Holies(Ezekiel 10), the place of sacrifice, & the One whom appears as a man within the fire on top of the throne is Jesus(Ez 1, Rev 4:3 & 10:1).
@AllForYeshua done and resting are two different words with different meanings. done means finished. resting is some one sleeping or recuperating! mathew 8:24. please explain how a place or the holy of the holies descended and took Elijah in a wirlwind to heaven!!
@bozzeed It would take a great deal of scripture to explain that to you, but I will attempt to simplify it as much as possible. The Holy of Holies is where the sacrificial lamb was offered up for the forgiveness of sins for those who repented. The sins of the people were layed upon that lamb & the Spirit of God would decend upon the sacrifice & meet with the people there between the two Angels, beyond the veil. Jesus is that place & sacrifice where God meets with us: Heb 10:20 & John 20:11-12
@bozzeed (done and resting are two different words with different meanings. done means finished. resting is some one sleeping or recuperating!)
It doesn't mean that in the scripture that you are questioning. It is a Hebrew word(שָׁבַת) that means to cease, desist, rest or to cause to cease, put an end to. Work or creation only occurs in time. God lives in Eternity & we don't. The Sabbath is for us & an Eternal existence with God if & when we receive His free gift of Eternal life.
@AllForYeshua actually the verses i mentioned do not mention sacrifice nor holy of holies! so who came down and took Elijah to heaven? was he dead at that time? the holy of holiest came and took him? two angles? the spirit of God? chariot of fire? wirlwind?! or Jesus as you mentioned?! why the bible says something other than what happened? and always misunderstood?! if God lives in eternity, why was he found sleeping on a cushion?
@bozzeed (was he dead at that time? the holy of holiest came and took him? two angles? the spirit of God? chariot of fire? wirlwind?! or Jesus as you mentioned?!)
I gave you the scriptures to read about the chariot of fire, Ezekiel 1 & 10, which is the Holy of Holies, which is Messianic prophesy & represents Jesus. When Jesus came as the lamb of God(the sacrifice) for the sins of the world, He was that prophesied place, the Holy of Holies, the place where the Spirit of God rests upon.
@bozzeed (actually the verses i mentioned do not mention sacrifice nor holy of holies!)
Because I have read all of scripture, I know from what is written within those scriptures that the chariots of fire & the whirlwind is the Holy of Holies. I shared some of those scriptures with you in Ezekiel 1 & 10, but also 1 Kings 6-8, & prophetically fulfilled through Jesus as that place in John 20:11-12 , Hebrews 9-10, & Revelation 4, to name a few. Those scriptures reveal the Holy of Holies nicely.
@AllForYeshua what about the people who did not read all the scriptures? will it be their fault to misunderstood the bible if they read chariots of fire because that is what is written and mentioned?!
@bozzeed (will it be their fault to misunderstood the bible... )
Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Yep. If we truly are seeking God with our whole hearts, reading through the oldest scriptures that have ever existed would be a wise start & then to seek God in the way that it teaches us to do, which is to pray & ask for God's wisdom & not to seek our own within those scriptures. If it is not truth, it will fail.
God's promised Messiah had to come through the bloodline of those who brought forth the Law & the Prophets. That's what Jesus came to be the fulfillment of. One can't be born of the Law(begotten of God) & be born through any other than one's own wife. Sarah was Abraham's wife. Agar was Sarah's maid servant. Issac was saved by the Lamb of God to redeem the lives of all who are under the Law. Even if rejected, we're all born under God's Law. The Lamb of God was for us all.
@AllForYeshua please explain briefly because i find your explanation more difficult from reading the bible! what did God mean by TAKE YOUR SON, YOUR ONLY SON?
@bozzeed (what did God mean by TAKE YOUR SON, YOUR ONLY SON?)
God was referring to the ONLY son that was birthed through His promise to Abraham & Sarah and not the son, Ishmael, who was birthed through Abraham & Sarah's lack of faith in God's promise and their attempt to make it come to pass on their own. God's word is truth. He does not need mankind to make it truth. Abraham's descendants are those of faith, but not in themselves or their fleshly race, but God alone, which includes His word.
@AllForYeshua Which promise which are you talking about? it is not mentioned here in Genesis 22:2?! Is it the one written in Genesis 21:18? Because nothing of what you have mentioned is written nor implied!
@bozzeed (Because nothing of what you have mentioned is written nor implied!)
In Gen 17, it is God who says that His covenant will be between Himself and the child, Isaac, born to Sarah. A sacrificial lamb was how a covenant was established, thus the sacrificial Lamb given to Abraham from God was to confirm the covenant that God made with Abraham for his son, Isaac. The covenant is confirmed through history by the one's who carried God's law, which was the bloodline of Isaac, not Ishmael's.
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@nvpatrol According to the Koran, Jesus was the only virgn-born and sinless prophet, the only prophet to be called messiah and he performed miracles. Yet, according to the same Koran Jesus never left any legacy except for being part of a Houdini-Copperfield spectacle performed by Allah when Allah made people think Jesus was crucified when he was not. This spectacle was so well-staged that it fooled all of Jesus' followers who then went on to spread Christianity. The Koran is a funny book...
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The God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob is the God of all. God's purpose for saving Abraham's son was to keep the bloodline alive to carry His covenant. Ishmael's decendants carried no covenant, but Jacob's decendants did. The written covenant between God & Abraham would have not passsed on to future generations had it been Jacob who was sacrificed. Nothing would have been lossed at the sacrifice of Ishmael. Ishmael's decendants had no written covenant from God. All of history proves such.
@AllForYeshua What was the convenant God made with Abaraham (pbuh)? Who number more Jews or Arabs? How much of the land of Canan is under Israeli control? So you have nothing, you are argument don't stand up to the reality.
What little Israel has will be taken away, its a promise in your holybook, why some Jews appose Israel? Do you know what is their theological argument against the state of Israel? I think you should just keep watching 700 channel and be happy in your makeshift world.
#1 I don't watch the 700 club or the like. I just read my Bible, the only scriptures that have outlived all others by, not just hundreds of years, but thousands. That's one fulfillment in the covenant that can't be claimed by any other religion. #2 The promise was for the Messiah to come through the race who carried that covenant & for His sacrifice for humanity...again, not fulfilled by another race. #3 That Messiah came for all races & His mark is love...not fulfilled by another.
#1 Out lived? Well that means, I am not sure? If you mean they are original teaching of Jesus then we can't be certain of that, infect very few Christian scholars would agree to that (IMHO). I would suggest reading books from Bruce Metzger and others. Plenty of videos here detailing the fact.,
#2 Which covenant is that? Who was sacrificed? Is covenant fulfilled? Tell me why Shabir explanation is not to your liking?
I've done my study and the facts remain, there are no older scriptures in existence than that of the Holy Bible. Even the oldest of the New Testament scriptures outdate anything about Allah by hundreds of years, well over a thousand years to be exact. The Hebrew, Old Testament scriptures outdate any scripture about Allah by thousands of years. Lastly, there are no scriptures in existence that support anything written in the letters by Mohammad. Show me one.
@AllForYeshua dear sir. no body is denying the fact that the old new testament's scriptures are older than islamic scriptures since islam came after christianity. the argument is that muslims dont believe that both testaments are all words of god. also mohammad was illiterate he didnt write a single word. which is not an argument since moses didnt write the tablets
@bozzeed (dear sir. no body is denying the fact that the old new testament's scriptures are older than islamic scriptures since islam came after christianity.)
Not sir. And you are incorrect. It is Muhammad that said that Christians changed the scriptures, which is impossible since the scriptures that we read & preach came thousands of years before any Christian ever lived & are still the one's preached today. That's easy to view on-line in the form of the Qumran scrolls.
@AllForYeshua No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man(JOHN 3:13) Contradicted with (II KINGS 2:11) Elijah ascended, and (GENESIS 5:24) Enoch went to heaven and walked with God
The scripture doesn't say that Enoch went to heaven. It says that Enoch walked with God. The word "walked" means "manner of life", while the name Enoch means "dedicated".
Elijah struck(also meaning to slay or kill) the Jordan(meaning the descended or Jesus) to part the waters(referencing a covenant between those who passed through that which was parted), to enter the promised land. Elijah represented the end of the written law & the fulfillment of the promise HS, Ez 37.
@AllForYeshua and the chariot of fire? horses of fire? the subject which is Elijah Taken Up to Heaven II kings 2?! why this doesnt chapter mention anything about law?! why are you changing the subject by refering to EZ?! why didnt you use (Numbers 22:27-30) to show who dictates the laws?!
@bozzeed (Matt 17:1-5)Men desire temples to worship the Law & the prophets but don't hear it: Zech 7:12Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, & the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets:therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.
Mt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 11:13For all the prophets & the law prophesied until John.
@bozzeed Parting the river Jordan is about covenant fulfillment of that which is descended from heaven & sacrificed to fullfil that covenant. Once the river Jordan is parted & Elijah & Elisha cross over to the promised land, Elijah ascends into the clouds, meaning the end of the age of the Law & the prophets & the beginning of fulfillment of prophesy, double portion, to which Elisha obtained by keeping his eye on Elijah. The chariot is the Ark of the Covenant, Jesus.
@AllForYeshua explain the following Genesis( 2:2) "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he RESTED??!! from all his work" from what is God resting? and why?!
@bozzeed The seventh day is completion, the Sabbath, the day of rest. It's the end of time. God came to create what is good, not to destroy. Only His word shows us how to repent & submit to His way and to become that creation that He desires for us to be. Destruction of His creation is in direct opposition to Him. Denying His word only leads to an opposition to walking in what he has created man to be. And what is not created by God, is already destroyed, but not by His hands but by the opposer.
@bozzeed (explain the following Genesis( 2:2) "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he RESTED??!! from all his work" from what is God resting? and why?!)
@bozzeed (the argument is that muslims dont believe that both testaments are all words of god.)
Yet Muhammad's words are proven error by the simple fact that, as I said in the last post, he claimed Christians to change scriptures that are verifiably not changed, as evidence by those that existed thousands of years before Christians ever lived & are the same today, unchanged. The God that we know does not fear being tested because He & His word do not error.
@AllForYeshua im am sorry for mentioning sir earlier it was an innocent mistake. for my understanding the scriptures that came before the christ are all isralite. i am also not denying that the dead sea scrolls are from the oldest manuscripts. my argument is as you understood the bible old new testaments are not gods words and they are still being changed, example (john 1 5:7 in king james version and the new international vesion) they are easy to be viewed online best regards.
@bozzeed (example (john 1 5:7 in king james version and the new international vesion) they are easy to be viewed online best regards.)
In the days to which these scriptures were written, there were no verses or chapters. In the NIV, 1 John 5:6-8 equates to the same as 1 John 5:7 in the KJV. The Spirit is God, the water is the HS, & Jesus is both the water & the blood, being God within the flesh of a man(The Spirit), sacrificed for the sins of the world(the water & blood). No difference.
@AllForYeshua i agree with you that the verse you have mentioned is available in both versions, however my argument is verse 1 john 5:7 in KJV which is not found in the NIV 1 John 5:6-8 which is: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" best regards.
@bozzeed 1 John 5:7-8: For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
I do understand the controversy with the two versions, but with the reading of all the writings of John, he sees the Spirit, the water, & the blood as the Father, the word, & the Holy Ghost. There's no difference to John. You can't get that from reading one or two verses from two different English translations of scripture. You can't get that via hearsay either, but via study.
John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
@AllForYeshua (1/2)I really appreciate you going through a lot for obtaining the mentioned verses. However I must have mislead you and I apologies for that. What I meant to say is muslims don’t believe in the bible to be the words of God. This verse is in KJV and it have been removed from NIV proves that the bible is being edited by men and not by God. Hence words of men.
@AllForYeshua (2/2) Another example I hope will clear my point. how many books are there in the new Jerusalem bible and in the NIV? Which bible is suppose to be God words? And why? Once again I apologies for making you go through a lot best regards.
@bozzeed It appears that you have misinterpreted the word "bible": often bible A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking. There are many books that refer to themselves as the bible, just as there are many books that refer to being the word of God. Just as there are many who call themselves Muslim but do not worship the same things as other Muslims, there are many who refer to themselves as Christian but are not.
@bozzeed We know the true word of God because it is the same word that has been spoken without change over thousands of years, not just a few hundred or a couple thousand. God has always loved His creation & has never hidden His word from them. There are false attempts to alter God's word but these are easy to identify because they are generally new, not spoken to all of God's creation & many times arise from one man/woman claiming to be a prophet of God. We see the with the Mormons, the JW's,
@bozzeed Catholics, & even the Quran. They attempt to use words of Jesus but none line up with the scriptures that have been for thousands of years, the one's that Jesus said He came to fulfill. The whole of the Old Testiment speaks of Him & how He will present Himself & what He will do for mankind. Those words have existed for thousands of years & were awaiting prophetic fulfillment when Jesus came. Jesus prophetically fulfilled those scriptures & not another comes near.
@bozzeed It is easy to be caught up into thinking that when one refers to a car as an automobile or a Ford, that they may be referring to different things, but the reality is, all three are the same. Using one over the other doesn't change anything. That is the exact scenerio with the scripture in 1 John that you used to prove a point. the translators used different words, but when we look at the verses that I shared with you, John uses those words interchangably for the same thing.
@bozzeed You then tried to prove your point with the use of a Catholic bible. The Catholics say that they are Christian based, but God's word says that we are not to add to or take away from His word. We know that they have done just that, added to God's word, because many of their books do not line up with the scriptures that have been for thousands or years & have nothing to do with the prophetic word that Jesus said He came to be the fulfillment of.
@bozzeed In completion, yes, I know that you don't believe the Christian Bible & have tried to prove error but translation doesn't mean change nor does using interchangable words. It's very easy to read the Christian Bible & misinterpret what's being said. God didn't share His Word to be understood by those who desire to prove error or understand it theologically but for those who are true seekers of Him. When you seek it with your heart, it will prove itself to be truth without error.
@AllForYeshua Quran Used the words of God almighty not jesus’s. Translation does change the meaning when metaphoric phrases are translaed. God loves his creation never hid his word from them however the bible is written by people hence not word of God. my point is not difference between catholics and angalics but men edit the bible, not to mention the contradictions in it which also proves it have been written by men. I don’t read to prove error but the bible does that for me need examples?
@bozzeed I know that is what you have been taught, just as those who grow up Mormon or any other religion, but being told that a book is the word of God throughout one's life, & even being threatened to not believe otherwise, doesn't make a teaching truth. Yes, men can write their own words, but man can't change the word that God wanted "all of His creation" to know. The Quran, not unlike every other false religion, arises from one man & lacks any historical support from previous generations.
@bozzeed (not to mention the contradictions in it which also proves it have been written by men.
Thus far, you have yet to reveal any contradictions, but if we want to talk about contradictions, let's take a closer look at the Quran & everything that Muhammad states that Jesus wrote or who He was. Muhammad stated that the Christians changed the word of God, yet the scriptures which existed thousands of years previous to the Christian's existence, is the same one we read today.
@bozzeed Muhammad also stated that the Jews changed the word of God, yet they too, read the same words that have been around for thousands of years. We have 4000 years of proof with the Qumran scrolls, yet it's Muhammad that is found to be the one who changed the words of God. And in those 4000 year old scriptures, Jesus & His sacrifice are prophesied long before He walked this earth. Furthermore, those scriptures tell us that Jesus is God in the image that He created man in, which is His own.
@bozzeed (however the bible is written by people hence not word of God.)
As is the Quran, yet when put to the test, it's the one that has stood the test of time that prevails over all others. Truth has been since the beginning but lies present themselves later to distort truth. Prior to Muhammad, there is not one single ancient writting by any man who has ever lived on this earth that support his teachings. God doesn't work that way with His creation. His desire is for all to know Him.
@AllForYeshua feel free to prove the Quran is not the words of God. mohammad teachings are similar to ismael and abraham. because there were no ancient writings people lost God's religion until God chose mohammad to preach it again. contradictions genesis (7:2)(7:8,9)/1 kings(4:26) 2chronicles (9:25)/numbers(12:3)(31:14,17,18)/2 samuel(24:1)1 chrinicles(21:1)/ etc... as for the translations errors please explain the following exodus (4:22) also read ezekiel 23 would God write such things?!
@bozzeed (feel free to prove the Quran is not the words of God. mohammad teachings are similar to ismael and abraham.)
The problem with the Quran is that it has no historical support whatsoever. It's the illusion of 1 man. Believing it doesn't rectify the issues at hand. The Christian Bible has much historical support. There are hundreds of prophesies spoken thousands of years before Jesus ever existed & He fulfilled them all. Prophesy is not prophesy unless fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled them all.
@AllForYeshua the problem with you that when i back my argument with verses from the bible, you change the subject! you still dont understand im not knocking your faith out. im providing study cases for you! muslims do not deny jesus or his prophesies! Quran has no historical support is not an issue since its God's Words and he delivers it to whom he wishes. now read the versis and tell me if you do believe your historical support is God's words!
Yet the prophesies found in scripture tell us that Jesus is God, Emmanuel(God is with us), & that He will be killed by His own for the sacrifice for the sins of the world. Those prophesies also tell us that there is no other way to receive God's forgiveness & live than to exept the sacrifice that He gave for us, the sacrificial Ram, the same one provided to Abraham to save his son. Like Abraham, you must have faith to receive that sacrifice. That's God's mercy.
@bozzeed (Quran has no historical support is not an issue since its God's Words and he delivers it to whom he wishes.)
Even Muhammad knows that God spoke to mankind for thousands of years before he lived. God never hid Himself. Again, the problem remains that Muhammad quotes things about Abraham, Moses, Jesus, & many others found in the ancient scriptures. Nothing quoted by him comes near to any of the prophesies by or about any of those people.
@AllForYeshua Mohammad was illitrate, he didnt read nor write, how could he quote from ancient scriptures HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE?! yet God revealed to him his words which is unlike your contradicted thousand years old scriptures with erotic stories!! which are clearly man made! anyways i was just proving a point im not trying to convince you to convert to islam or change your beliefs.
Yet Mohammad wasn't deaf & knowing that he had relationships with those who knew scripture, he undoubtably heard them. Every single person who wrote the scriptures heard from God & it was not a few men but many over thousands of years who all agree with what they heard, except for Mohammad. In the Christian & Jewish scriptures, truth is viewed with no less than two or three witnesses in agreement with the other. One man's vision equates to deception.
As am I. Other than the fact that you believe in Islam because that's how you were raised or for whatever reason you choose to believe it, tell me what confirms it's validity to be anything other than the illusion of one man. Historically, I know that those who believed such were forced to believe or be killed & weren't allowed to question the teachings either. In my faith, our God has no issue with being tested for truth always remains standing.
Ezekiel 23:4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
Yes, God would speak such a thing because rejecting God is like laying with another whom we don't belong to. These scriptures are spoken to all of us because until we come to Jesus, our Bridegroom, we are all guilty of doing just that.
@AllForYeshua please read Ezekiel23:3,5,7,8,11,12,13, and all the verses that mentions virgin bosoms then tell me if you think its from God. 4:22 Israel also could be a person Genesis (35:10) according to the contex since God prevails cannot be first born!! you didnt comment on the contradicted verses
@bozzeed (4:22 Israel also could be a person Genesis (35:10) according to the contex since God prevails cannot be first born!!)
Jesus is how God prevails, God's right hand, and He is the firstborn from the grave. You can't know that with having only read a few scriptures & seeking to find error. Again, God's word has nothing to reveal to those who aren't seekers of Him. It is impossible to interpret God's word in any other way & that is what He tells us in that word.
@AllForYeshua or it could be God's words has nothing to reveal to those who interpret the scriptures as per their desiare regardless of the text! Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: ISRAEL(Jacob)IS MY FIRST BORN SON, and I told you, "Let MY SON (Jacob) go, so HE (Jacob) may worship ME (GOD ALMIGHTY)." But you refused to let HIM (JACOB) go; so I will kill YOUR (pharaoh's) firstborn son. how does jesus comes in to this picture?!
@bozzeed (how does jesus comes in to this picture?!)
It was the beginning of the yearly feast called the Passover, which is about Christ's sacrifice.
Exodus 12:23-24 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He seeth the blood upon the lintel and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.And ye shall observe this thing as an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
I already commented on Ez 23 but let me be clearer. Jerusalem stands for "teaching of peace" referring to those who carry the law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it, referring to those who worship other gods, the gentiles. All are guilty of adultry when rejecting God & this is God telling Ezekiel to tell the people of their guilt. The people understood.
I already commented on Ez 23 but let me be clearer. Jerusalem stands for "teaching of peace" referring to those who carry the law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it, referring to those who worship other gods, the gentiles. All are guilty of adultry when rejecting God & this is God telling Ezekiel to tell the people of their guilt. The people understood.
@bozzeed I already commented on Ez 23 but let me be clearer. Jerusalem stands for "teaching of peace" referring to those who carry the law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it, referring to those who worship other gods, the gentiles. All are guilty of adultry when rejecting God & this is God telling Ezekiel to tell the people of their guilt. The people understood.
I already commented on Ez 23 but if you would desire that I do so again, I will. Jerusalem means teaching of peace & God is referring to those who carried the Law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it referring to those who worship other gods, or the Gentiles. Everyone is included in that prophesy. God is telling Ezekiel to warn the people that they are all guilty of adultery against Him. The people understood Ezekiel well & wanted to kill him for saying such.
@AllForYeshua when i asked you to read ezekiel my point is if it was from God, not explain to me why do God mentions virgin bosoms and tells erotic stories?
@bozzeed God compares our relationship to Himself as that of a Bridegroom & His Bride. We become One with Him when we turn to Him, as a wife with her Husband. When we turn to worship other gods there is no better way to define what we are doing before God than what we see in Ez 23. It's not erotic at all but spiritual absence of God.
Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
@AllForYeshua if many christian scholars admit there are contradictions in the bible and you say it appear to the ones who look for errors that means errors and contradictions do exist! exodus(4:22) im sorry i didnt know that jesus was BORN before moses. i believe in islam because i check facts, you believe in christianity because you deny facts and can interpret the bible as you desire we are not the same. if god says virgin bosoms then people should say it often, do you have a virgin bosom? :P
@bozzeed (if many christian scholars admit there are contradictions)
I didn't say anything about Christian scholars. That's a half & half scenerio. I'm referring to people that reject the Holy scriptures given by God to all His creation throughout all of time. Now you say that you believe in Islam because of facts. Facts are provable by more than one witness, not just something you want to believe. Show me facts regarding anything that Mohammad wrote about all those from Abraham to Jesus.
@bozzeed (if god says virgin bosoms then people should say it often, do you have a virgin bosom? :P)
The problem you have with that scripture is that you see one sin before God as greater than another. God hates sin period. If you hate one of God's created or If you lack forgiveness in your heart for anyone, God sees that in the same manner. Sin is what is disgusting to God. Knowing God means that you view any sin that you do in the same manner as you do of that spoken in Ez 23. God does.
@AllForYeshua (1/ 5)Nobody said anything about rejecting holyscriptures. we are discussing Christian scholars confirming contradictions in the bible and you are denying these contradictions. Mohammad never wrote because he was illiterate. the words revealed to him by God are written in the Quran by mohammads followers here are about Abraham and jesus
@bozzeed (the words revealed to him by God are written in the Quran by mohammads followers here are about Abraham and jesus)
Again, you fail to see the issue at hand. Even if the Holy Bible has a small handful of translations that may or may not contradict another, 98% of scripture has no question at all & every single writer of nearly 5000 years of scripture, hundreds of men, all agree with eachother. The prophesies in those scriptures were fulfilled. There's no support for the Quran.
@AllForYeshua you are correct. hundreds of men at different ages wrote the bible hence not God's words!! Quran is God's words.ezekiel 23 is one of the scriptures that men wrote God would never right such thing! exodud(4:22) i know what it means but the text implies Israel (jacob) is Gods first born son just as you understood jesus is God's son. jesus was never mentioned in exodus!!.
@bozzeed (We revealed the Scripture (the Qur'an) with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it.)
The word of God is confirmed through fulfilled prophesy because only fulfilled prophesy is from God. Words that can't be confirmed but are yet called prophetic, are't words from God. The prophesies spoken & written down via hundreds of men from Abraham on, in the Torah, about the Messiah have been fulfilled. The Quran states confirmation, yet it only contradicts.
@bozzeed [(you are correct. hundreds of men at different ages wrote the bible hence not God's words!! )Yet you wrote:the words revealed to him by God are written in the Quran by mohammads followers] Hmm?
The difference is Mohammad's followers wrote down what they heard from a man, while God's followers wrote down what they heard directly from God. Their proof is seen in the fact that God's followers all heard the same prophesies over thousands of years & those prophesies were fulfilled.
@bozzeed (exodud(4:22) i know what it means but the text implies Israel (jacob) is Gods first born son just as you understood jesus is God's son. jesus was never mentioned in exodus!!.)
Jesus is the sacrificial lamb whose blood covered the doorpost's to prevent the death of the firstborn of all those who did what God commanded them to do when darkness came over the land. It takes the reading of much more scripture than just a few verses to get that.
@bozzeed (ezekiel 23 is one of the scriptures that men wrote God would never right such thing!)
Again, you are seeing what is written in Ezekiel as in writting about something that is worse than any other sin to write about. God doesn't categorize sins as kind of bad sins, a little worse sins, or really bad sins. All sin is rejection of God & in plain English, adultary against God.
@bozzeed (i know what it means but the text implies Israel (jacob) is Gods first born son)
It is prophesy, bozzeed. In God's word, He says He speaks the end from the beginning. The scripture is neither talking about Israel the nation or Jacob the man, but you can't get that without reading the rest of scripture. We are "Jacob" bozzed, you & I & the rest of humanity.
@AllForYeshua (1/2)please state the verse number when you use examples from the Quran so i would know which topic you exactly mean. i did not fail to see the issue i told you many times the Quran is Gods words you are free not to believe it because this is not the issue. the issue is the Bible is written by men who are not eye witness of the events occurred (unlike mohammad companions). and it has contradictions which you still deny which you are also free to do so.
@bozzeed (i did not fail to see the issue i told you many times the Quran is Gods words you are free not to believe it because this is not the issue. )
Rather it's the dream of one man written down by other men who were his followers, not God's. I've asked you several times to show proof that the Quran is God's word rather than something you simply desire to believe. That shouldn't be hard to do if it's truly God's word.
Thousands of years of prophets heard the same from God. Mohammad didn't.
@AllForYeshua the fact you mentioned men wrote one man dream proves you dont know anything about the Quran. a proof its from God it preaches worshipping God Almighty ALONE and doesnt contradict it self like the bible also see exodus you see the lord said to moses and moses said to the lord, the Quran the Lord says say I ( we in a form of respect for God). im not denying the prophesies and yes the Bible says jesus is the Lord and Jacob is his first Born son. but jesus never said i am the LORD!
Matthew 16:16-17 And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ(Savior), the Son of the living God."And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father who is in Heaven.
According to the all of scripture, the Messiah is God in flesh:Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and besides Me there is no savior.
@AllForYeshua mathew 16:17 jesus didnt say i am the lord! cant you read?! if he says he is Son of God it is similar to Israel Gods first born son it is metamorphic speeking or he would have said I AM THE LORD!!! who told you we worship mohammad? prove it from the Quran or stop making stuff up!! "we" is use as a from of respect IN THE BIBLE!!! Elohim IS PLURAL!!! also you keep changing the subject which is the bible not gods words (unlike the Quran) but men's words
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navynmr 1 month ago
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navynmr 1 month ago
Just because you can't leave your pork chops, you can't change the law of God to say that you will be saved by believe alone. You need both, keep the commandments and believe in God, Don't be extreme in you religion, thread the middle path.
Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
navynmr 1 month ago
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navynmr 1 month ago
@hross233 the bible is immensely offensive so change it immediately, disgusting, evil:
Numbers 31:17-18
So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves
navynmr 1 month ago
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navynmr 1 month ago
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olegvf 2 months ago
As for the last point made by Shabir Ally about mismatch of accounts, these gospels were written by mathew, mark, luke and john not necessarly on the same day the events happened but purhaps later maybe after months or years and as with such accounts they contradict in date the events took place but the events all conform to each other as in the case of the trimphant entry into Jerusalem-cursing the fig tree -entering the temple.
madmax0076 3 months ago
@Lamuares God meant the legitimate child of Abraham. It was not any miracle for a man of 100 & a girl to have a child. Gods gift came through Sarah,90. The Bible says , when Isaac was born Sarah asked Abraham to send Ishmael and Hagar away. But Abraham was concerned as he thought Ismael was also his son. But God told him not to be afraid for the boy and the slave. Do as Sarah tells as it is through Isaac that you will have the descendants that i promised. That is why they were sent away.
madmax0076 3 months ago
so Israel that's what everyone answer is when its been taken over by Zionist, but doesn't god say the promise of a new Jerusalem for the chosen of god in the new testament.
IronGodSlayer 4 months ago
Sabaeans Himyar qataban ma'en are not son of ishmael. We are Qahtani arabs
We are older than jews and adnani arabs
XARABIAXx 4 months ago
not all arabs son of ishmael
Adnan son of Ishmael (Northern Arabs)
Qahtan (or Joktan) son of Eber (Southern Arabs)
XARABIAXx 4 months ago
Are Mark and Luke witnesses of Jesus? How come when they never see Jesus? Their Gospels were written 40 to 80 years after Jesus by getting some kind of information from those who witness that what they saw at Jesus time !
np33123 4 months ago
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np33123 4 months ago
God should have said to Abraham: "sacrificed your ONLY son Isaac"! (so i understand because of "only" that ismael wasnt there) how Isaac will be the only son, when the bible says that ismael is 14 years older than Isaac. This was not isaac, so ismael had to be sacrificed? (((if you want proof i can show you in the bible)))
p.s the quran says ismael
Lamuares 4 months ago
this whole topic is an excuse for christians to reject the last messenger Prophet Muhammad (saas) the successor of Jesus (pbuh) ishmael was older, issac came years after. Both are prophets of Allah, thus we should love them as well
ViciousBeats16 7 months ago
See how Shabir asked a question about the sacrifice and he could not answer it , and said it ????? They know yet they refuse to acknowlagae
vixi92 7 months ago
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vincent8mckee8fraud 9 months ago
The Holy Bible was written by 40 people over a period of 1600 yrs. Why we should believe in one man's testimony which totally contradict the previous scriptures?
The entire Quran is about 20% of The Bible. Muhammad never read NT or OT.
The information he recited is from heretical Christians settled in Medina and Talmud and Mid rah Judaism
PRIDEISSIN1 10 months ago
Christians are not under the Mosaic covenant,exactly like Abraham and Noah were not under the Mosaic covenant. Jesus established the new covenant and fulfilled the old covenant. Why should we go back, when God promised the new covenant through all prophets?
PRIDEISSIN1 10 months ago
EVEN IN THE REMOTEST PROBABILITY THAT IT WAS ISAAC, THEN WE BELIEVE HE WAS MUSLIM ALSO. SO EITHER WAY THE COVENANT IS WITH THE MUSLIMS NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
glower125 11 months ago
@glower125
God promised the covanent for Issac before Ismael was born according to the Bible.It was Abraham and Sarah brought the "human idea of bringing Hagar during the waiting period for Issac" because of their lack of faith in God's promise.
Why should then God should chaneg His mind? Because God already promised the covanent before Ismael was born.
'Thine only son "because Abrham send Hagar with Ismael already.
Why then there was no prophet through Ismael line until Muhammad/Islam
PRIDEISSIN1 10 months ago
THE BIBLE STORY IS UTTERLY STUPID.
THE COVENANT IS CLEARLY WITH ISHMAEL BUT THE LYING SCRIBS CHANGED THE WORDS, BUT WE CAN SEE THAT EVEN NOW WITH WHOME THE COVENANT RESIDES. THE JEWS ARE THE SCOURGE ON THIS PLANET NO MATTER WHAT, THE MUSLIMS ARE BLESSED NO MATTER WHAT THE ZIONISTS AND THEIR SATANIC MINIONS ARE DOING.
GOD'S TRIUMPH IS WITH THE MUSLIMS, LOOK THE SCRIPTURES. THE ONLY BOOK UNCHANGED SINCE REVELATION IS THE QUR'AN. THERE ARE NO COPIES OF THE BIBLE OLDER THAN QUR'AN.
glower125 11 months ago
@glower125 Ishamael is not the one that was supposed to inherit from Abraham, just keep this in mind.
Israel rules.
sopranoms 8 months ago
@sopranoms israel is def the chosen land, summary: they were sissy to fight 4 their land, event though God gauranteed victory to Moses. they killed several of their fellow Israelite prophets. read Quran surah Baqarah (The Cow). a small minority were actual believers.
ViciousBeats16 7 months ago
Muslims cannot understand the bible as they dont have the Holy Spirit.The bible says
Muslims cannot understand the Holy Bible because the bible says "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."1 Cor 2:14
quranevil 11 months ago
@quranevil SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YOU..WE UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE BETTER THAN YOU. I AM MYSELF A REVERT, FORMER JEW WHO SPOKE HEBREW. YOU ARE JUST A LITTLE GOY WHO HAS BEEN INDOCTRINATED BY YOUR PREACHER. BTW, YOU PREACHER IS PROBABLY IN THE POCKET IN ONE OF THE JEWISH ORGANIZATION FUNDING HIM TO KEEP YOU BRAINWASHED AND INDOCTRINATED.
YOU NEED TO PRAY TO GOD AND ASK HIM TO LEAD YOU TO THE RIGHT PATH OF SALVATION. THERE IS NO SALVATION THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.
glower125 11 months ago
melch-e-zadek is the SPIRIT OF TRUTH THE ANGEL GABRIEL KING OF THE ANGLES thats why he was a mysterious figure
TheManners112 1 year ago
i still dont understand why a cruel 'test of faith' like this is moral.....
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
Shabir Rules everytime!!!
kenteles 1 year ago
Genesis 22:2 doesn’t mention the covenant, you brought it up! When it is just mentioning Isaac is THE ONLY SON Abraham have!! Genesis 17:10 says the covenant is to circumcise the males! 17:23 Ismael is circumcised, explain how Ismael is excluded from the covenant when he was circumcised even before Isaac was born?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed hi, ONLY SOn is explained Romans chapter 9 v6-9.
"It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned" (Genesis 21:12) This means it is not the NATURAL children who are Gods children but it is the children of the promise (Isaac) who are regarded as Abrahams offspring. Similarly, God chose Jacob and not the older Esau even before their birth. "JAcob i have loved , Esau i have hated" MAlachi chpter 1. Therefore Isaac was the ONLY SON of the promise.
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego wonderful. now please explain what did the people who lived before Romans was written understand from reading genesis only!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed Isaac is the heir. As he is the son of promise. A man's son from his legal wife is alwaya the legal heir, sons from harems are not legit heirs. Ishmael was born out of sin, fornication. Ishmael was the bastard son, not legitimate. Sarah convinced Abraham to sleep with the servant woman. Sarah wants to kick out hagar and Ishmael, Abraham is unhappy, but God tells Abraham to listen to Sarah.
acceptjesus1 1 year ago
Genesis 17:21 " But my covenant I will establish with Isaac " Genesis 21:12 “ And God said unto Abraham "..“ for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. ' Islam says that Ishmael was chosen instead of Isaac? Islam has a very serious problem. If Ishmael was the chosen one, then why are all the Bible stories about Isaac and Jacob; whose name, Allah changed to Israel. If Ishmael was the chosen, why is Allah for Israel instead of Ishmael? This proves that Isaac is the chosen as the scriptures say.
acceptjesus1 1 year ago
@acceptjesus1 nope, islam doesnt say Ismael was chosen instead of Isaac but to believe in isaac and all the prophets!! Genesis 17:21 what does the covenant mean?!! ismael was born out of sin?! which is worst being born out of sin? or committing the sin which is fornication by Abraham?why did God permit Abraham to commit fornication and ban it later?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed That's one of the problems, you don't know what the covenant means. God permitted because he has given all men the right to excersise their free will. In this case Sarah persuaded Abraham, they are both sinners, nobody is disputing that. Their number one sin is that they did not trust God when he promised to abraham a son through sarah because she was 90 years old. Gen 17:19 Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son, Isaac, and I will establish my covenant with him forever.
acceptjesus1 1 year ago
@acceptjesus1 hat is not the covenant you moran!! genesis 17 the title says the covenant of CIRCUMCISION!! go read it then answer again!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed Read the whole chapter Genesis 17, and you will see that the covenant ends with an everlasting covenant with isaac, so you see that the covenant of circumsion is only a sign. The covenant with Isaac is the whole story of Israel, read the NT and see how it all fits perfectly like a puzzle. well, for you if God was only interested in circumsision as the covenant, then that's your choice. good luck.
acceptjesus1 1 year ago
@bozzeed The Covenant to Abraham fulfilled is explained in great detail. Read the book of Hebrews in the New testament, written by the biggest former persecutor of Jesus, a Pharisee rabbi. Saul who chamged his name to Paul, as he was chosen by Jesus to be a great witness for him to the Gentiles. Saul's conversion Acts 9:4.
acceptjesus1 1 year ago
@bozzeed If you notice.....God did not give Abraham a great revelation of his promises for 14 years after he went to hagar....MAny of the characters in the bible had commited great sins but repented. Though they were punished , God had mercy on them and restored them. Moses murdered, David commited adultery, JAcob was deceiver, Noah was drunker, Sampson was kinda reckless and so on. Salvation is through Gods grace.
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego i read the whole chapter 17 it says 17:9,10 the covenant is circumcision 17:21 the covenant (of circumscision) will be established by Isaac 17:23,24,27 the covenant ( of circumcision) was not established by Isaac but by Ismael and many others!! in new test. acts 15 Paul made people abandon the covenant (of circumcision which was not established by Isaac). god interested in circumcision as covenant is not my choise, it is what YOUR BOOK SAYS!!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@maradanego if salvation is through Gods grace, then i sure with his grace he will forgive me if i raped your mother just as he forgived other sinners and rapists like david abraham jacop noah judah dont you think?
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed yes God would forgive you....if you truly repented with your heart ....but you will live with the consequences....and although i might want to break your face, i would have to forgive you too and leave punishment to God.....God will punish our sins but no one is too evil to be saved. Even Paul was killing many Christians before he converted....God still forgave him and loved him but he lived a hard life. All of the characters in the bible were greatly punished for what they did.....
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego yes you might WANT to break my face but your religion asks you to be a PUSSY so you cant. where as i could MURDER you then RAPE your sister BOTH WAYS and SIDE WAYS then according to your religion if i repent your God will forgive me and bless me just as he blessed and DIDNT PUNISH king David who ( according to the bible!) MURDERED Uriah then RAPED Bathsheba and Abraham who (according to you!) committed fornication! :P
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed If u tried anything on me I wld kill you in self defnce....but i wouldnt go out to kill u....Ive only been saved for a few years...but i know of mature Christians who forgave people who tortured them and raped their family....the other people were touched so deeply that they came to faith as well.....even some commited suicide coz of shame, If you raped or killed you gonna be in jail for life..and possibly get raped by a man. Also if u truly repented you would be feeling so much sorrow
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego that is not the point, the point is that your God will forgive me and bless me! he has done it before and can do it again
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed remember, thse people were specifically chosen by God for a purpose...If God chosen u, yes.....but u have to understand what is true repentance. Its a complete turn around of what u used to be.....its Hating sin...not just saying "sorry God, forgive me, I feel really bad" REPENTANCE is much more than that...when u repent...u look at sin through the eyes of God. u see your own filthyness and shame, guilt and u decide to completely turn arund your life to God...in all aspects of life
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego what makes you so sure that your God did not choose me specifically to murder you then rape you sister then i repent and become an example for others to rape your sister and repent after?! did God kill ALL king david's sons? what about KING solomon? i wouldnt mind your God punishes me by blessing me and giving me a KING son.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed God didnt tell David to commit sin...he did it out of his free will, it was his choice. And obviously ...king davids mistake was an example for us not to do what he did. Obviously, u also dont understand how its like to lose a children. David went through alot of greif during that period...you can read it in the psalm...he was in alot of heartache and pain.
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego then king david was forgiven and blessed. so the same will happen to me if i murdered you and brutally raped your sister. i dont have children now so i will not loose any but after i repent your God will forgive me and bless me and give me alot of children of which will be kings like solomon and the rest will be blessed like abraham children who ( according to you!) fornicate with hager just as i could fornicate and brutally rape your sister.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed U dont really understand..God is judge of everything..who can tell him what to do? he allowed Job suffer but he was a good man. All i say is we are told to love our enemies.. lets go bck to the story of David...before he becme king, Saul ws chasing David to try t kill him..he had already throw spear at him. While Saul was sleeping David could have killed him twice and taken the throne. But David spare his life twice. In end Saul left him alone and he ws kiled in battle. read prvte mssge
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego i am also a good man. what makes you so sure your God will not forgive me just as he did for abraham isaac david? you cannot be sure!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed iam sure now. because u just called urself a good man.......no one is good ONLY God is good....We r all sinners who deserve death. David knew that he was saved by mercy of God and NOT his goodness.. thats why he showed so much mercy to his enemies....he even wept when Saul was killed, and he composed a song to glorify his enemy....His understanding of Gods mercy on himself...led him to show mercy on others. Read psalm 51:4, 14:3. We all desrve hell..we r saved by Gods grace thrgh Jesus
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego you are right. no one is good ONLY God is good....We r all sinners who deserve death INCLUDING JESUS matthew 19:17 note the word ONE! otherwise he would have said "I" if he is God!!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed yes ive heard this arguemnt many times....its simple to understand but i will explain to u in prsonal message if u want more detail. Basicaly the rich man thinks Jesus is just a (human) teacher, so Jesus tells him ONLY God is good. Ths rich man thuoght he kept the whole law prfect but Jesus showd him that he couldnt keep the law perfctly becoz he placed money as his God...thts why he walked away with sorrow..so what did Jesus say in end? "then come TAKE UP THE CROSS and follow ME"
maradanego 1 year ago
@maradanego please check your messages and answer please
thank you
bozzeed 1 year ago
@maradanego good try,but sorry that verse debunks jesus's divinity
exposemyfoes 1 year ago
@maradanego than he commited adultery and muredered uriah,do u belive these lies about the beloved prophets
exposemyfoes 1 year ago
@bozzeed they understood the same thing....the covenant was through Isaac and not Ishmael....the covenant is not to circumcise...the SIGN of the covenant is circumcision....means totaly differnt....Ishmael was born from a mistake. Sarah and Abraham wanted to hrry the promses of God in their own effort..the result was alot of conflict and greifs...they didnt consult God before they did it. But ISaac was born form a miracle, a promise that required the visitation of God..21v1. result ws great joy
maradanego 1 year ago
NO BODY MENTIONED CLOUDS!! IT SAYS !! Elijah Taken Up to Heaven!!! (Numbers 22:27-30)
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (NO BODY MENTIONED CLOUDS!! IT SAYS !! Elijah Taken Up to Heaven!!! (Numbers 22:27-30))
This may be a bit hard to grasp, but when we die, we enter into eternity. We don't remain in time. God is already residing in eternity, His word was written in eternity, & creation was created by & through an eternal God. That's why the word says that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That is why I tell you that there are no new words from God & that God's word didn't change. It can't.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua (2 kings 2:11) the bible doesnt mention that Elijah DIED!! it mentions Elijah was WALKING, a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated Elija and Elisha, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. 2:12 Elisha was this!! this contradicts with John 3:13!!. Genesis (2:2) i actually wanted to know from what God was resting?! and why is he resting?! was he tired?! even when being helped by jesus and the holyspirit?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (why is he resting?! was he tired?! even when being helped by jesus and the holyspirit?!)
Rested simply means "done creating" which is what He is when all prophesy is fulfilled that is written in the word. Hebrews 4 explains it pretty good is you are truly interested.
(chariot of fire )
Not a contradiction. The chariot of fire is the Holy of Holies(Ezekiel 10), the place of sacrifice, & the One whom appears as a man within the fire on top of the throne is Jesus(Ez 1, Rev 4:3 & 10:1).
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua done and resting are two different words with different meanings. done means finished. resting is some one sleeping or recuperating! mathew 8:24. please explain how a place or the holy of the holies descended and took Elijah in a wirlwind to heaven!!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed It would take a great deal of scripture to explain that to you, but I will attempt to simplify it as much as possible. The Holy of Holies is where the sacrificial lamb was offered up for the forgiveness of sins for those who repented. The sins of the people were layed upon that lamb & the Spirit of God would decend upon the sacrifice & meet with the people there between the two Angels, beyond the veil. Jesus is that place & sacrifice where God meets with us: Heb 10:20 & John 20:11-12
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (done and resting are two different words with different meanings. done means finished. resting is some one sleeping or recuperating!)
It doesn't mean that in the scripture that you are questioning. It is a Hebrew word(שָׁבַת) that means to cease, desist, rest or to cause to cease, put an end to. Work or creation only occurs in time. God lives in Eternity & we don't. The Sabbath is for us & an Eternal existence with God if & when we receive His free gift of Eternal life.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua actually the verses i mentioned do not mention sacrifice nor holy of holies! so who came down and took Elijah to heaven? was he dead at that time? the holy of holiest came and took him? two angles? the spirit of God? chariot of fire? wirlwind?! or Jesus as you mentioned?! why the bible says something other than what happened? and always misunderstood?! if God lives in eternity, why was he found sleeping on a cushion?
bozzeed 1 year ago
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@bozzeed (was he dead at that time? the holy of holiest came and took him? two angles? the spirit of God? chariot of fire? wirlwind?! or Jesus as you mentioned?!)
I gave you the scriptures to read about the chariot of fire, Ezekiel 1 & 10, which is the Holy of Holies, which is Messianic prophesy & represents Jesus. When Jesus came as the lamb of God(the sacrifice) for the sins of the world, He was that prophesied place, the Holy of Holies, the place where the Spirit of God rests upon.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (actually the verses i mentioned do not mention sacrifice nor holy of holies!)
Because I have read all of scripture, I know from what is written within those scriptures that the chariots of fire & the whirlwind is the Holy of Holies. I shared some of those scriptures with you in Ezekiel 1 & 10, but also 1 Kings 6-8, & prophetically fulfilled through Jesus as that place in John 20:11-12 , Hebrews 9-10, & Revelation 4, to name a few. Those scriptures reveal the Holy of Holies nicely.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua what about the people who did not read all the scriptures? will it be their fault to misunderstood the bible if they read chariots of fire because that is what is written and mentioned?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (will it be their fault to misunderstood the bible... )
Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Yep. If we truly are seeking God with our whole hearts, reading through the oldest scriptures that have ever existed would be a wise start & then to seek God in the way that it teaches us to do, which is to pray & ask for God's wisdom & not to seek our own within those scriptures. If it is not truth, it will fail.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua please explain the following Genesis 22:2
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (Gen 22:2)
God's promised Messiah had to come through the bloodline of those who brought forth the Law & the Prophets. That's what Jesus came to be the fulfillment of. One can't be born of the Law(begotten of God) & be born through any other than one's own wife. Sarah was Abraham's wife. Agar was Sarah's maid servant. Issac was saved by the Lamb of God to redeem the lives of all who are under the Law. Even if rejected, we're all born under God's Law. The Lamb of God was for us all.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua please explain briefly because i find your explanation more difficult from reading the bible! what did God mean by TAKE YOUR SON, YOUR ONLY SON?
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (what did God mean by TAKE YOUR SON, YOUR ONLY SON?)
God was referring to the ONLY son that was birthed through His promise to Abraham & Sarah and not the son, Ishmael, who was birthed through Abraham & Sarah's lack of faith in God's promise and their attempt to make it come to pass on their own. God's word is truth. He does not need mankind to make it truth. Abraham's descendants are those of faith, but not in themselves or their fleshly race, but God alone, which includes His word.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua Which promise which are you talking about? it is not mentioned here in Genesis 22:2?! Is it the one written in Genesis 21:18? Because nothing of what you have mentioned is written nor implied!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (Because nothing of what you have mentioned is written nor implied!)
In Gen 17, it is God who says that His covenant will be between Himself and the child, Isaac, born to Sarah. A sacrificial lamb was how a covenant was established, thus the sacrificial Lamb given to Abraham from God was to confirm the covenant that God made with Abraham for his son, Isaac. The covenant is confirmed through history by the one's who carried God's law, which was the bloodline of Isaac, not Ishmael's.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
if Ishmael was sent away how could Ishmaelites have the same Prophets as Israelites?
jamjr1972 1 year ago
I'm pretty certain that David Shenk is all wet and doesn't know what he's talking about or at least 6 minutes into his presentation. He hasn't got a clue because he is incapable of thinking.
jimbojamesIV 1 year ago
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@nvpatrol According to the Koran, Jesus was the only virgn-born and sinless prophet, the only prophet to be called messiah and he performed miracles. Yet, according to the same Koran Jesus never left any legacy except for being part of a Houdini-Copperfield spectacle performed by Allah when Allah made people think Jesus was crucified when he was not. This spectacle was so well-staged that it fooled all of Jesus' followers who then went on to spread Christianity. The Koran is a funny book...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
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MsHambro 1 year ago
The God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob is the God of all. God's purpose for saving Abraham's son was to keep the bloodline alive to carry His covenant. Ishmael's decendants carried no covenant, but Jacob's decendants did. The written covenant between God & Abraham would have not passsed on to future generations had it been Jacob who was sacrificed. Nothing would have been lossed at the sacrifice of Ishmael. Ishmael's decendants had no written covenant from God. All of history proves such.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua What was the convenant God made with Abaraham (pbuh)? Who number more Jews or Arabs? How much of the land of Canan is under Israeli control? So you have nothing, you are argument don't stand up to the reality.
What little Israel has will be taken away, its a promise in your holybook, why some Jews appose Israel? Do you know what is their theological argument against the state of Israel? I think you should just keep watching 700 channel and be happy in your makeshift world.
ovaisreza 1 year ago
@ovaisreza
#1 I don't watch the 700 club or the like. I just read my Bible, the only scriptures that have outlived all others by, not just hundreds of years, but thousands. That's one fulfillment in the covenant that can't be claimed by any other religion. #2 The promise was for the Messiah to come through the race who carried that covenant & for His sacrifice for humanity...again, not fulfilled by another race. #3 That Messiah came for all races & His mark is love...not fulfilled by another.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua Well Lets see;
#1 Out lived? Well that means, I am not sure? If you mean they are original teaching of Jesus then we can't be certain of that, infect very few Christian scholars would agree to that (IMHO). I would suggest reading books from Bruce Metzger and others. Plenty of videos here detailing the fact.,
#2 Which covenant is that? Who was sacrificed? Is covenant fulfilled? Tell me why Shabir explanation is not to your liking?
#3 Messiah says otherwise, read your bible!
ovaisreza 1 year ago
@ovaisreza
I've done my study and the facts remain, there are no older scriptures in existence than that of the Holy Bible. Even the oldest of the New Testament scriptures outdate anything about Allah by hundreds of years, well over a thousand years to be exact. The Hebrew, Old Testament scriptures outdate any scripture about Allah by thousands of years. Lastly, there are no scriptures in existence that support anything written in the letters by Mohammad. Show me one.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago 2
@AllForYeshua dear sir. no body is denying the fact that the old new testament's scriptures are older than islamic scriptures since islam came after christianity. the argument is that muslims dont believe that both testaments are all words of god. also mohammad was illiterate he didnt write a single word. which is not an argument since moses didnt write the tablets
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (dear sir. no body is denying the fact that the old new testament's scriptures are older than islamic scriptures since islam came after christianity.)
Not sir. And you are incorrect. It is Muhammad that said that Christians changed the scriptures, which is impossible since the scriptures that we read & preach came thousands of years before any Christian ever lived & are still the one's preached today. That's easy to view on-line in the form of the Qumran scrolls.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man(JOHN 3:13) Contradicted with (II KINGS 2:11) Elijah ascended, and (GENESIS 5:24) Enoch went to heaven and walked with God
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed
The scripture doesn't say that Enoch went to heaven. It says that Enoch walked with God. The word "walked" means "manner of life", while the name Enoch means "dedicated".
Elijah struck(also meaning to slay or kill) the Jordan(meaning the descended or Jesus) to part the waters(referencing a covenant between those who passed through that which was parted), to enter the promised land. Elijah represented the end of the written law & the fulfillment of the promise HS, Ez 37.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua and the chariot of fire? horses of fire? the subject which is Elijah Taken Up to Heaven II kings 2?! why this doesnt chapter mention anything about law?! why are you changing the subject by refering to EZ?! why didnt you use (Numbers 22:27-30) to show who dictates the laws?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (Matt 17:1-5)Men desire temples to worship the Law & the prophets but don't hear it: Zech 7:12Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, & the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets:therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.
Mt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 11:13For all the prophets & the law prophesied until John.
Done.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed Parting the river Jordan is about covenant fulfillment of that which is descended from heaven & sacrificed to fullfil that covenant. Once the river Jordan is parted & Elijah & Elisha cross over to the promised land, Elijah ascends into the clouds, meaning the end of the age of the Law & the prophets & the beginning of fulfillment of prophesy, double portion, to which Elisha obtained by keeping his eye on Elijah. The chariot is the Ark of the Covenant, Jesus.
Ez 37 is that fulfillment.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua kindly explain the following (Deuteronomy 25:11,12)
bozzeed 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua explain the following Genesis( 2:2) "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he RESTED??!! from all his work" from what is God resting? and why?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed The seventh day is completion, the Sabbath, the day of rest. It's the end of time. God came to create what is good, not to destroy. Only His word shows us how to repent & submit to His way and to become that creation that He desires for us to be. Destruction of His creation is in direct opposition to Him. Denying His word only leads to an opposition to walking in what he has created man to be. And what is not created by God, is already destroyed, but not by His hands but by the opposer.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
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@bozzeed (explain the following Genesis( 2:2) "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he RESTED??!! from all his work" from what is God resting? and why?!)
Hebrews 4 explains it wonderfully.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
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@bozzeed (from what is God resting? and why?!)
Hebrews chapter 4 explains it beautifully, if you are truly interseted in understanding the meaning.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (the argument is that muslims dont believe that both testaments are all words of god.)
Yet Muhammad's words are proven error by the simple fact that, as I said in the last post, he claimed Christians to change scriptures that are verifiably not changed, as evidence by those that existed thousands of years before Christians ever lived & are the same today, unchanged. The God that we know does not fear being tested because He & His word do not error.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua im am sorry for mentioning sir earlier it was an innocent mistake. for my understanding the scriptures that came before the christ are all isralite. i am also not denying that the dead sea scrolls are from the oldest manuscripts. my argument is as you understood the bible old new testaments are not gods words and they are still being changed, example (john 1 5:7 in king james version and the new international vesion) they are easy to be viewed online best regards.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (im am sorry for mentioning sir earlier it was an innocent mistake.)
I know it was innocent. :)
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (example (john 1 5:7 in king james version and the new international vesion) they are easy to be viewed online best regards.)
In the days to which these scriptures were written, there were no verses or chapters. In the NIV, 1 John 5:6-8 equates to the same as 1 John 5:7 in the KJV. The Spirit is God, the water is the HS, & Jesus is both the water & the blood, being God within the flesh of a man(The Spirit), sacrificed for the sins of the world(the water & blood). No difference.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua i agree with you that the verse you have mentioned is available in both versions, however my argument is verse 1 john 5:7 in KJV which is not found in the NIV 1 John 5:6-8 which is: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" best regards.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed 1 John 5:7-8: For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
I do understand the controversy with the two versions, but with the reading of all the writings of John, he sees the Spirit, the water, & the blood as the Father, the word, & the Holy Ghost. There's no difference to John. You can't get that from reading one or two verses from two different English translations of scripture. You can't get that via hearsay either, but via study.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed By John:
John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua (1/2)I really appreciate you going through a lot for obtaining the mentioned verses. However I must have mislead you and I apologies for that. What I meant to say is muslims don’t believe in the bible to be the words of God. This verse is in KJV and it have been removed from NIV proves that the bible is being edited by men and not by God. Hence words of men.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua (2/2) Another example I hope will clear my point. how many books are there in the new Jerusalem bible and in the NIV? Which bible is suppose to be God words? And why? Once again I apologies for making you go through a lot best regards.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed It appears that you have misinterpreted the word "bible": often bible A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking. There are many books that refer to themselves as the bible, just as there are many books that refer to being the word of God. Just as there are many who call themselves Muslim but do not worship the same things as other Muslims, there are many who refer to themselves as Christian but are not.
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AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed We know the true word of God because it is the same word that has been spoken without change over thousands of years, not just a few hundred or a couple thousand. God has always loved His creation & has never hidden His word from them. There are false attempts to alter God's word but these are easy to identify because they are generally new, not spoken to all of God's creation & many times arise from one man/woman claiming to be a prophet of God. We see the with the Mormons, the JW's,
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed Catholics, & even the Quran. They attempt to use words of Jesus but none line up with the scriptures that have been for thousands of years, the one's that Jesus said He came to fulfill. The whole of the Old Testiment speaks of Him & how He will present Himself & what He will do for mankind. Those words have existed for thousands of years & were awaiting prophetic fulfillment when Jesus came. Jesus prophetically fulfilled those scriptures & not another comes near.
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AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed It is easy to be caught up into thinking that when one refers to a car as an automobile or a Ford, that they may be referring to different things, but the reality is, all three are the same. Using one over the other doesn't change anything. That is the exact scenerio with the scripture in 1 John that you used to prove a point. the translators used different words, but when we look at the verses that I shared with you, John uses those words interchangably for the same thing.
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AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed You then tried to prove your point with the use of a Catholic bible. The Catholics say that they are Christian based, but God's word says that we are not to add to or take away from His word. We know that they have done just that, added to God's word, because many of their books do not line up with the scriptures that have been for thousands or years & have nothing to do with the prophetic word that Jesus said He came to be the fulfillment of.
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AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed In completion, yes, I know that you don't believe the Christian Bible & have tried to prove error but translation doesn't mean change nor does using interchangable words. It's very easy to read the Christian Bible & misinterpret what's being said. God didn't share His Word to be understood by those who desire to prove error or understand it theologically but for those who are true seekers of Him. When you seek it with your heart, it will prove itself to be truth without error.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua Quran Used the words of God almighty not jesus’s. Translation does change the meaning when metaphoric phrases are translaed. God loves his creation never hid his word from them however the bible is written by people hence not word of God. my point is not difference between catholics and angalics but men edit the bible, not to mention the contradictions in it which also proves it have been written by men. I don’t read to prove error but the bible does that for me need examples?
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed I know that is what you have been taught, just as those who grow up Mormon or any other religion, but being told that a book is the word of God throughout one's life, & even being threatened to not believe otherwise, doesn't make a teaching truth. Yes, men can write their own words, but man can't change the word that God wanted "all of His creation" to know. The Quran, not unlike every other false religion, arises from one man & lacks any historical support from previous generations.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (not to mention the contradictions in it which also proves it have been written by men.
Thus far, you have yet to reveal any contradictions, but if we want to talk about contradictions, let's take a closer look at the Quran & everything that Muhammad states that Jesus wrote or who He was. Muhammad stated that the Christians changed the word of God, yet the scriptures which existed thousands of years previous to the Christian's existence, is the same one we read today.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed Muhammad also stated that the Jews changed the word of God, yet they too, read the same words that have been around for thousands of years. We have 4000 years of proof with the Qumran scrolls, yet it's Muhammad that is found to be the one who changed the words of God. And in those 4000 year old scriptures, Jesus & His sacrifice are prophesied long before He walked this earth. Furthermore, those scriptures tell us that Jesus is God in the image that He created man in, which is His own.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (however the bible is written by people hence not word of God.)
As is the Quran, yet when put to the test, it's the one that has stood the test of time that prevails over all others. Truth has been since the beginning but lies present themselves later to distort truth. Prior to Muhammad, there is not one single ancient writting by any man who has ever lived on this earth that support his teachings. God doesn't work that way with His creation. His desire is for all to know Him.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua feel free to prove the Quran is not the words of God. mohammad teachings are similar to ismael and abraham. because there were no ancient writings people lost God's religion until God chose mohammad to preach it again. contradictions genesis (7:2)(7:8,9)/1 kings(4:26) 2chronicles (9:25)/numbers(12:3)(31:14,17,18)/2 samuel(24:1)1 chrinicles(21:1)/ etc... as for the translations errors please explain the following exodus (4:22) also read ezekiel 23 would God write such things?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (feel free to prove the Quran is not the words of God. mohammad teachings are similar to ismael and abraham.)
The problem with the Quran is that it has no historical support whatsoever. It's the illusion of 1 man. Believing it doesn't rectify the issues at hand. The Christian Bible has much historical support. There are hundreds of prophesies spoken thousands of years before Jesus ever existed & He fulfilled them all. Prophesy is not prophesy unless fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled them all.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua the problem with you that when i back my argument with verses from the bible, you change the subject! you still dont understand im not knocking your faith out. im providing study cases for you! muslims do not deny jesus or his prophesies! Quran has no historical support is not an issue since its God's Words and he delivers it to whom he wishes. now read the versis and tell me if you do believe your historical support is God's words!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed
Yet the prophesies found in scripture tell us that Jesus is God, Emmanuel(God is with us), & that He will be killed by His own for the sacrifice for the sins of the world. Those prophesies also tell us that there is no other way to receive God's forgiveness & live than to exept the sacrifice that He gave for us, the sacrificial Ram, the same one provided to Abraham to save his son. Like Abraham, you must have faith to receive that sacrifice. That's God's mercy.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (Quran has no historical support is not an issue since its God's Words and he delivers it to whom he wishes.)
Even Muhammad knows that God spoke to mankind for thousands of years before he lived. God never hid Himself. Again, the problem remains that Muhammad quotes things about Abraham, Moses, Jesus, & many others found in the ancient scriptures. Nothing quoted by him comes near to any of the prophesies by or about any of those people.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua Mohammad was illitrate, he didnt read nor write, how could he quote from ancient scriptures HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE?! yet God revealed to him his words which is unlike your contradicted thousand years old scriptures with erotic stories!! which are clearly man made! anyways i was just proving a point im not trying to convince you to convert to islam or change your beliefs.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (yet God revealed to him his words)
Yet Mohammad wasn't deaf & knowing that he had relationships with those who knew scripture, he undoubtably heard them. Every single person who wrote the scriptures heard from God & it was not a few men but many over thousands of years who all agree with what they heard, except for Mohammad. In the Christian & Jewish scriptures, truth is viewed with no less than two or three witnesses in agreement with the other. One man's vision equates to deception.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (anyways i was just proving a point)
As am I. Other than the fact that you believe in Islam because that's how you were raised or for whatever reason you choose to believe it, tell me what confirms it's validity to be anything other than the illusion of one man. Historically, I know that those who believed such were forced to believe or be killed & weren't allowed to question the teachings either. In my faith, our God has no issue with being tested for truth always remains standing.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed
Ezekiel 23:4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
Yes, God would speak such a thing because rejecting God is like laying with another whom we don't belong to. These scriptures are spoken to all of us because until we come to Jesus, our Bridegroom, we are all guilty of doing just that.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua please read Ezekiel23:3,5,7,8,11,12,13, and all the verses that mentions virgin bosoms then tell me if you think its from God. 4:22 Israel also could be a person Genesis (35:10) according to the contex since God prevails cannot be first born!! you didnt comment on the contradicted verses
bozzeed 1 year ago
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AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (4:22 Israel also could be a person Genesis (35:10) according to the contex since God prevails cannot be first born!!)
Jesus is how God prevails, God's right hand, and He is the firstborn from the grave. You can't know that with having only read a few scriptures & seeking to find error. Again, God's word has nothing to reveal to those who aren't seekers of Him. It is impossible to interpret God's word in any other way & that is what He tells us in that word.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua or it could be God's words has nothing to reveal to those who interpret the scriptures as per their desiare regardless of the text! Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: ISRAEL(Jacob)IS MY FIRST BORN SON, and I told you, "Let MY SON (Jacob) go, so HE (Jacob) may worship ME (GOD ALMIGHTY)." But you refused to let HIM (JACOB) go; so I will kill YOUR (pharaoh's) firstborn son. how does jesus comes in to this picture?!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (how does jesus comes in to this picture?!)
It was the beginning of the yearly feast called the Passover, which is about Christ's sacrifice.
Exodus 12:23-24 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He seeth the blood upon the lintel and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.And ye shall observe this thing as an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
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@bozzeed
I already commented on Ez 23 but let me be clearer. Jerusalem stands for "teaching of peace" referring to those who carry the law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it, referring to those who worship other gods, the gentiles. All are guilty of adultry when rejecting God & this is God telling Ezekiel to tell the people of their guilt. The people understood.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
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@bozzeed
I already commented on Ez 23 but let me be clearer. Jerusalem stands for "teaching of peace" referring to those who carry the law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it, referring to those who worship other gods, the gentiles. All are guilty of adultry when rejecting God & this is God telling Ezekiel to tell the people of their guilt. The people understood.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
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@bozzeed I already commented on Ez 23 but let me be clearer. Jerusalem stands for "teaching of peace" referring to those who carry the law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it, referring to those who worship other gods, the gentiles. All are guilty of adultry when rejecting God & this is God telling Ezekiel to tell the people of their guilt. The people understood.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed
I already commented on Ez 23 but if you would desire that I do so again, I will. Jerusalem means teaching of peace & God is referring to those who carried the Law while Samaria means a mountain with a city built on it referring to those who worship other gods, or the Gentiles. Everyone is included in that prophesy. God is telling Ezekiel to warn the people that they are all guilty of adultery against Him. The people understood Ezekiel well & wanted to kill him for saying such.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua when i asked you to read ezekiel my point is if it was from God, not explain to me why do God mentions virgin bosoms and tells erotic stories?
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed God compares our relationship to Himself as that of a Bridegroom & His Bride. We become One with Him when we turn to Him, as a wife with her Husband. When we turn to worship other gods there is no better way to define what we are doing before God than what we see in Ez 23. It's not erotic at all but spiritual absence of God.
Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua if many christian scholars admit there are contradictions in the bible and you say it appear to the ones who look for errors that means errors and contradictions do exist! exodus(4:22) im sorry i didnt know that jesus was BORN before moses. i believe in islam because i check facts, you believe in christianity because you deny facts and can interpret the bible as you desire we are not the same. if god says virgin bosoms then people should say it often, do you have a virgin bosom? :P
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (if many christian scholars admit there are contradictions)
I didn't say anything about Christian scholars. That's a half & half scenerio. I'm referring to people that reject the Holy scriptures given by God to all His creation throughout all of time. Now you say that you believe in Islam because of facts. Facts are provable by more than one witness, not just something you want to believe. Show me facts regarding anything that Mohammad wrote about all those from Abraham to Jesus.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (if god says virgin bosoms then people should say it often, do you have a virgin bosom? :P)
The problem you have with that scripture is that you see one sin before God as greater than another. God hates sin period. If you hate one of God's created or If you lack forgiveness in your heart for anyone, God sees that in the same manner. Sin is what is disgusting to God. Knowing God means that you view any sin that you do in the same manner as you do of that spoken in Ez 23. God does.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua (1/ 5)Nobody said anything about rejecting holyscriptures. we are discussing Christian scholars confirming contradictions in the bible and you are denying these contradictions. Mohammad never wrote because he was illiterate. the words revealed to him by God are written in the Quran by mohammads followers here are about Abraham and jesus
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (the words revealed to him by God are written in the Quran by mohammads followers here are about Abraham and jesus)
Again, you fail to see the issue at hand. Even if the Holy Bible has a small handful of translations that may or may not contradict another, 98% of scripture has no question at all & every single writer of nearly 5000 years of scripture, hundreds of men, all agree with eachother. The prophesies in those scriptures were fulfilled. There's no support for the Quran.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua you are correct. hundreds of men at different ages wrote the bible hence not God's words!! Quran is God's words.ezekiel 23 is one of the scriptures that men wrote God would never right such thing! exodud(4:22) i know what it means but the text implies Israel (jacob) is Gods first born son just as you understood jesus is God's son. jesus was never mentioned in exodus!!.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (We revealed the Scripture (the Qur'an) with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it.)
The word of God is confirmed through fulfilled prophesy because only fulfilled prophesy is from God. Words that can't be confirmed but are yet called prophetic, are't words from God. The prophesies spoken & written down via hundreds of men from Abraham on, in the Torah, about the Messiah have been fulfilled. The Quran states confirmation, yet it only contradicts.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed [(you are correct. hundreds of men at different ages wrote the bible hence not God's words!! )Yet you wrote:the words revealed to him by God are written in the Quran by mohammads followers] Hmm?
The difference is Mohammad's followers wrote down what they heard from a man, while God's followers wrote down what they heard directly from God. Their proof is seen in the fact that God's followers all heard the same prophesies over thousands of years & those prophesies were fulfilled.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
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@bozzeed (exodud(4:22) i know what it means but the text implies Israel (jacob) is Gods first born son just as you understood jesus is God's son. jesus was never mentioned in exodus!!.)
Jesus is the sacrificial lamb whose blood covered the doorpost's to prevent the death of the firstborn of all those who did what God commanded them to do when darkness came over the land. It takes the reading of much more scripture than just a few verses to get that.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (ezekiel 23 is one of the scriptures that men wrote God would never right such thing!)
Again, you are seeing what is written in Ezekiel as in writting about something that is worse than any other sin to write about. God doesn't categorize sins as kind of bad sins, a little worse sins, or really bad sins. All sin is rejection of God & in plain English, adultary against God.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@bozzeed (i know what it means but the text implies Israel (jacob) is Gods first born son)
It is prophesy, bozzeed. In God's word, He says He speaks the end from the beginning. The scripture is neither talking about Israel the nation or Jacob the man, but you can't get that without reading the rest of scripture. We are "Jacob" bozzed, you & I & the rest of humanity.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua (1/2)please state the verse number when you use examples from the Quran so i would know which topic you exactly mean. i did not fail to see the issue i told you many times the Quran is Gods words you are free not to believe it because this is not the issue. the issue is the Bible is written by men who are not eye witness of the events occurred (unlike mohammad companions). and it has contradictions which you still deny which you are also free to do so.
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (i did not fail to see the issue i told you many times the Quran is Gods words you are free not to believe it because this is not the issue. )
Rather it's the dream of one man written down by other men who were his followers, not God's. I've asked you several times to show proof that the Quran is God's word rather than something you simply desire to believe. That shouldn't be hard to do if it's truly God's word.
Thousands of years of prophets heard the same from God. Mohammad didn't.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua the fact you mentioned men wrote one man dream proves you dont know anything about the Quran. a proof its from God it preaches worshipping God Almighty ALONE and doesnt contradict it self like the bible also see exodus you see the lord said to moses and moses said to the lord, the Quran the Lord says say I ( we in a form of respect for God). im not denying the prophesies and yes the Bible says jesus is the Lord and Jacob is his first Born son. but jesus never said i am the LORD!
bozzeed 1 year ago
@bozzeed (but jesus never said i am the LORD!)
Matthew 16:16-17 And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ(Savior), the Son of the living God."And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father who is in Heaven.
According to the all of scripture, the Messiah is God in flesh:Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and besides Me there is no savior.
That is one of many places.
AllForYeshua 1 year ago
@AllForYeshua mathew 16:17 jesus didnt say i am the lord! cant you read?! if he says he is Son of God it is similar to Israel Gods first born son it is metamorphic speeking or he would have said I AM THE LORD!!! who told you we worship mohammad? prove it from the Quran or stop making stuff up!! "we" is use as a from of respect IN THE BIBLE!!! Elohim IS PLURAL!!! also you keep changing the subject which is the bible not gods words (unlike the Quran) but men's words
bozzeed 1 year ago