Gestalt theory of perceptionMy first association was to how memory may be stored. Consider how time flies when consciousness is put under anesthetic. Common experience is that extension of time disappears altogether. One may be under for hours, but experience is something like I blinking one's eyes, and then woke up with the procedure done. Even when months have passed.
Also "external localization of a percept" in terms of "what is me/not me?"
I am super interested in this. Ive been drappling with "Social Anxiety Disorder" since I was in 8th grade, where do you think this stems from. I somewhat understand what you mean because I NEVER feel like I am alone. And I have always attempted to see things through others eyes, even though this is not something I conciously do, just soething Im aware of. Also where I think I have the trouble is, the ambiguity of language.
Hey man, not only are we social through and through, our social behavior is just another form of the tendency of information to structure itself into ever more complex forms. This is something science seems to be finally tilting towards in the last few years, stepping away from the materialist physics based determinism.
if there is this thing I call me and it is being in the world and of it...but always changing...why not call it becoming even from moment to moment...this is like close to psychosis...in that one stops trying to control the environment and starts being controlled by it and shaped totally by it...
So let me get this straight. All of existing thought is a hierarchy of an interaction of social experience,, My question must be when was it's begging and to what end is our understanding of ourselves.
great video!. Not only do we get our sense of individual self from others, but even in today, on the pure material level, now more than ever do we rely on others for our 'individual' ego stroking. For example, fashion - clothing is seen as a mark of individual tastes...but you get your clothes from other people...your food, water supply, electricity..indeed all the things we use to mark out our individuality are dependent on others...lol
I'm too tired and not feeling well enough to formulate a well-constructed rebuttal to some of this. But, I am finding some immediate issues with accepting much of this, though as I said, given my current state I seem to be having trouble putting the thoughts to words....
Are you not seeing yourself, to some degree, how others see you when you look at your own youtube videos? Has that deconstructed some element of your selfhood?
I don't think so. You never ever really know how others see you.
Even in physical terms: if you and another person are standing before a mirror, you can compare the other's face to their reflection in the mirror, but you see only your reflection and can't really compare.
great vid. Looking forward to have read all of that stuff. For now I´m writing on Heidegger, and he seems to have made all of those points. But I´ve heard there was some quarel betwean buber and Heidegger. Do you know what it was about?
That 'War something' user you mention is an Objectivist, a follower of Ayn Rand. That's where he or she gets the idea that society is nothing over and above the individuals that constitute, er . . . it.
This is one of the most interesting comments ever!! A person who is "an Objectivist, a follower of" who then also, ? paradoxically or without much notice, claims the individual to "constitute" the society.
This is so much that is deeply right minded and yet misguided here.
It made great sense to me. We are part of a whole, through evolution; and we are also individuals. The theory of mind - there are signs that through trying to read other people's intentions, we developed consciousness.
Gestalt theory of perceptionMy first association was to how memory may be stored. Consider how time flies when consciousness is put under anesthetic. Common experience is that extension of time disappears altogether. One may be under for hours, but experience is something like I blinking one's eyes, and then woke up with the procedure done. Even when months have passed.
Also "external localization of a percept" in terms of "what is me/not me?"
electricbobbybear 10 months ago
I am super interested in this. Ive been drappling with "Social Anxiety Disorder" since I was in 8th grade, where do you think this stems from. I somewhat understand what you mean because I NEVER feel like I am alone. And I have always attempted to see things through others eyes, even though this is not something I conciously do, just soething Im aware of. Also where I think I have the trouble is, the ambiguity of language.
BlueMintRed 1 year ago
I feel like a new man! haha
ezemdi 1 year ago
Hey man, not only are we social through and through, our social behavior is just another form of the tendency of information to structure itself into ever more complex forms. This is something science seems to be finally tilting towards in the last few years, stepping away from the materialist physics based determinism.
trisky1234 1 year ago
@trisky1234 I hope that you are right about this.
Professoranton 1 year ago
if there is this thing I call me and it is being in the world and of it...but always changing...why not call it becoming even from moment to moment...this is like close to psychosis...in that one stops trying to control the environment and starts being controlled by it and shaped totally by it...
f1ghtclub2k3 1 year ago
Phrases that Professor Anton has added to my vocabulary forever:
1) Authoritative Disambiguation
and now!
2) "The Contradiction Stick"
NeoChalcedonian 1 year ago
I guess a similar argument might run "there is no such thing as a forest, only trees."
briano8713 2 years ago
So let me get this straight. All of existing thought is a hierarchy of an interaction of social experience,, My question must be when was it's begging and to what end is our understanding of ourselves.
theteamextremefan 2 years ago
Go read the Bhagavad-gītā and don't waste your time.
ConorRyan22 2 years ago
There is need to distinguish between the illusion of "self", and delusion.
Just as watermelon is always illusion, in the desert it may be also delusion.
pointyhead1 2 years ago
great video!. Not only do we get our sense of individual self from others, but even in today, on the pure material level, now more than ever do we rely on others for our 'individual' ego stroking. For example, fashion - clothing is seen as a mark of individual tastes...but you get your clothes from other people...your food, water supply, electricity..indeed all the things we use to mark out our individuality are dependent on others...lol
NoAddedAnything 2 years ago
pure energy
cardellacole2 2 years ago
Hahaha.. this was an onslaught. Way to freestyle!
MahatmaClarity 2 years ago
I'm too tired and not feeling well enough to formulate a well-constructed rebuttal to some of this. But, I am finding some immediate issues with accepting much of this, though as I said, given my current state I seem to be having trouble putting the thoughts to words....
JasperAvi 2 years ago
everything professor Anton says leaves me drooling.
and if im not drooling I feel i should be. 6:25 the mindfuck begins
anonforuz 2 years ago 4
Are you not seeing yourself, to some degree, how others see you when you look at your own youtube videos? Has that deconstructed some element of your selfhood?
zarkoff45 2 years ago
I don't think so. You never ever really know how others see you.
Even in physical terms: if you and another person are standing before a mirror, you can compare the other's face to their reflection in the mirror, but you see only your reflection and can't really compare.
Professoranton 2 years ago
great vid. Looking forward to have read all of that stuff. For now I´m writing on Heidegger, and he seems to have made all of those points. But I´ve heard there was some quarel betwean buber and Heidegger. Do you know what it was about?
alteringenting 2 years ago
Excellent video!
thewolverineanalyzer 2 years ago
I feel like typing something and I agree. :) Word.
Monolith1618 2 years ago
That 'War something' user you mention is an Objectivist, a follower of Ayn Rand. That's where he or she gets the idea that society is nothing over and above the individuals that constitute, er . . . it.
inotherplaces 2 years ago
This is one of the most interesting comments ever!! A person who is "an Objectivist, a follower of" who then also, ? paradoxically or without much notice, claims the individual to "constitute" the society.
This is so much that is deeply right minded and yet misguided here.
Professoranton 2 years ago
It made great sense to me. We are part of a whole, through evolution; and we are also individuals. The theory of mind - there are signs that through trying to read other people's intentions, we developed consciousness.
"Your mind is social." Absolutely right.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago 3
Thanks!
Professoranton 2 years ago