As a Catholic I believe not in salvation through a certian denomination but if it did come down to denominations the JW doctrine is fafr out of context i believe the only way they will get saved is by charity the way the behave with everyone else because doctrine alone it seems to farfetched!
lifeizgood420@ you all need to leave that cult. You people are all blasphemers and the Watchtower is homo. You jws have old books and pictures of Jesus with naked men.
it doesnt , niether does the watchtower . you come up with this out of nowhere . do u even know what contrary means ? you say are you kidding ? where does the bible ect.ect. i never said the bible did say we get eternal life thought the watchtower , you pulled that out of your ass . after every paragraph or so in the watchtower there is scripture you can look up to support what the Watchtower is saying . you come off as ignorant and mad at the fact that you dont have the life of ur family.
@lifeizgood420 "there is scripture you can look up to support what the watchtower is saying" OH YES, the scriptures you take out of context every time and USE to support what you do for the organisations selfish gain.
While vaio294 isn't completely right, the point that his trying to make about witnesses not living solely by the bible is correct.
@SpeedCam1501 the bible they use really isnt much different from other bibles . ive sat and compared . have you ? if you have and you still say they are way different then you my friend are the lost one .
@lifeizgood420 I'm well aware of the small differences in each religion and/or cults bible, yet every single religion and cult member decides to use particular scriptures (TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT) when trying to prove a point about religion or god or anything to do with biblical history, witnesses do this more than most.
Also you didn't read my comment properly, I was saying how witnesses do not live solely BY the bible, whether it's the bible they study or not.
@lifeizgood420 ~ ((the bible they use really isnt much different from other bibles .))
The JW bible has many changes to it.. The Watchtower leaders further change the Bible by using their Watchtower publications.. So, because of a changed Bible and self-promoting Watchtower publications, JW's do NOT know God nor Jesus.
JW's are simply in a SATANIC Anti-Christ CULT, but they can't see it because the Bible has been DISTORTED to them.
@VAIO294 you are so ignorant . i cant believe i let you waste my time . go find something to do with yourself. its completely pointless to argue with some that doesn't care to listen or make any sense. do not reply
@lifeizgood420 ~ You seem to have a problem accepting truth when confronted with it..
Do you care to change you comment about the Watchtower saying people MUST belong to the Watchtower Corporation/organization to have Salvation??.. That teaching is clearly a LIE.. correct?
@lifeizgood420 ~ Jehovah Witnesses are NOT "Christians"!.. I don't say that to be harsh.
You cannot teach ANTI-CHRIST teachings and be a "Christian".
The JW's teaching that Salvation REQUIRES that a person MUST be a member of their Watchtower Corporation, is ANTI-CHRIST because it's attributing Salvation to a Publishing Corporation instead of exclusively to the Savior JESUS CHRIST Himself, like the Bible says.
@SpeedCam1501 ~ {{""While vaio294 isn't completely right, the point that his trying to make about witnesses not living solely by the bible is correct.""}}
I don't think I posted anything that was Not correct, but if I did, please point it out so that I can correct it.
@VAIO294 No that is true, what you posted was correct, I probably should have worded that comment of mine better, but I had only had like 2hours sleep when I wrote that.
When I said you weren't completely right, what I was trying to say was that you needed to write a bit more info or reason on top of what you already had, making it more difficult for witnesses to argue with. My bad about the crappy grammar in that last comment.
@SpeedCam1501 ~ I think you and I both know JW's will argue no matter how much or how little one writes...Yet because I'm usually posting on several videos at the same time, sometimes I don't stay around and elaborate... I'm sure you understand.
@VAIO294 OH YES, I understand very well, hope you can forgive me for my comment... I'm doing the same thing on 9 different videos related to jehovah's witnesses. (and more on other cults), I understand how tiring it can sometimes be to write stuff in detail.
@lifeizgood420 ~ {{ Where does the BIBLE say we get Eternal Life thru teh Watchtower Publishing Corporation/organization??""
. ~{" it doesnt , niether does the watchtower .}}
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YES the Watchtower does preach that LIE from Satan!
>>**"And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah's ORGANIZATION for SALVATION,..." ~ ( Watchtower magazine1981 Nov. 15 p.21 )
@lifeizgood420 ~ {"" after every paragraph or so in the watchtower there is scripture you can look up to support what the Watchtower is saying .""}
Watchtower publications are written for the purpose of GETTING and KEEPING Watchtower Corporation MEMBERS.. They are NOT written for the purpose of giving people PURE TRUTH!
When you Repent and then place your Faith in the **SIN ATONING BLOOD** of JESUS CHRIST as being your Salvation, you are then **FORGIVEN of YOUR SINS**,, and with this FORGIVENESS you HAVE Eternal Life as God's Free Gift to you simply because HE LOVES YOU!
You accepting this Eternal Life, by your trusting in JESUS and His BLOOD to save you, is the BEGINNING of your Life-long walk with GOD.
**John 3:36 ~ *Whoever Believes on JESUS CHRIST *HAS* Everlasting Life”.
The great crow in heaven is composed by angels plus 144k Saints taken from Earth. I met a woman from the organization who claimed being one of the 144K. I asked an elder that the bible says the 144k are men, not women. Well, he started to get angry for asking.
Actually as a JW you got that wrong. We believe everything in the bible and that is our final authority, the faithful and discreet slave help us on earth and the ones that have died are in heaven. It's quite simple I answered that and Iam 13
@October31st1517, that's why they are one of the 144,000 who did no defile themselves with the women, meaning corrupt or spread lies about the bible. The are virgins in the sense that they are spiritually pure.
@October31st1517 THE FACT IS THEY DON'T TEACH ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THEIR BIBLE . ITS SAD THAT YOU HAD TO PLAY BOTH ROLES IN THIS VIDEO OF YOURS. HOW ABOUT A REAL CONVERSATION WITH A JW NEXT TIME ?
@lifeizgood420 ~{{"THE FACT IS THEY DON'T TEACH ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THEIR BIBLE "}}
ARE YOU KIDDING???.. Where does the BIBLE say we get Eternal Life thru teh Watchtower Publishing Corporation/organization??.. What scripture is that???
This is funny. Well, let me clear this: There are clearly 2 different crowds. The first in CH 7 "comes out from the big tribulation" and the 2nd. in CH 19 is in heaven. The first are millions of humans and the second are millions of angels.
@October31st1517 For centuries catholics and reformers haven´t understood the literal and simbolic elements in Revelation Book; You will not find congruency at all in their books. Some elements will match, but a big bunch won´t; that happens always when you read these publications. You will need a very different source: Christian, of course, but quite different from what you have known. There´s no secret in that, it´s just common sense and reason out the point up to the very whole context.
@October31st1517 Bible itself will give you light about the simbols. But first, you´ll need 3 things before you understand this book: Patience. Untie from any prejudice, and last, the Right Motivation. The real name of the Bibles´God is Jehováh, ¿Does that give you a clue where to dig up?. By the way!... this video it´s a cheap and sad mockery of what JW really are.
@otokosith OK, So in other words I don't need the organization. As long as I have patience, no prejudices & the right motivation I can learn the truth on my own? Correct?
@October31st1517 That´s correct, there exists the autodidactic (self taught) method to learn things, ¿right?, buuuuuuut.... one Q: ¿Was there in the beginning of Christianism a group of ORGANIZED christians?, the answer it´s obvious. Please read Facts of Apostles 18: 24 - 28. You´ll find there a case that demostrates the correct balance in christian learning.
@October31st1517 Mi querido y nada bien conocido Octoberfest: Ponte a estudiar la Biblia de manera objetiva y sé honesto con lo que ahí dice; y no le busques trés piés al gato sabiendo que tiene cuatro. Good questions are important in life to learn, when there are obvious answers, ¿why question nonsense further?. You seem to read the Bible. Be congruent, Aufwiedersehen.
@queue555 I use to take all this videos with some humor, they are funny and sad as well. Keep studying; with patience, no prejudices and the right motivation. Jehováh will bless that lots.
When you Repent and then place your Faith in the **SIN ATONING BLOOD** of JESUS CHRIST as being your Salvation, you are then **FORGIVEN of YOUR SINS**,, and with this FORGIVENESS you HAVE Eternal Life as God's Free Gift to you simply because HE LOVES YOU!
You accepting this Eternal Life, by your trusting in JESUS and His BLOOD to save you, is the BEGINNING of your Life-long walk with GOD.
**John 3:36 ~ *Whoever Believes on JESUS CHRIST *HAS* Everlasting Life”.
I know you probably don't want to. But you should talk to a JW next time. If you don't all ready when they annoy you at your door. :D I promise they will not try to brainwash you! As humans we are all still learning.
He asks us to use his name, but I'm not saying any more. I don't want you to dislike or hate me. I appreciate your love for god. And I'll leave you alone. You look like a young man, but I'm only 15 so iv got a lot to learn. Thnx
@JandK69r Well they have... Also who gives a shit about you keeping his name, others still acknowledge him even with a title, they know his name, but choose a title instead.
Also as for God's name it was originally believed God's name was far to sacred to say, hence why YHWH originally had no correct pronunciation .
And remember we do not try to persuade people, like a lie, but to reason with you. A lie must come in after something has been said, doesn't. We only try to teach the truth, NOT brainwash, :/
This is quite comical but you're missing the point of God's salvation in it's entirety. Regardless of what stupid doctrines they have or whether or not they believe in the Trinity, the bottom line is that to become a Jehovah's Witness, you must accept Christ as your savior and his gift of everlasting life. As long as you do that, you will spend eternity in God's kingdom, regardless of what else you believe.
@october31st1517--1000yrs AFTER JUGDMENT DAY, holy people will be inthe4corners of da EARTH, but the apostle will be in heaven ruling at the time wit 144000 others. SEE! revelations20:6-9 EVERY almanac says the BIBLE is our authority, 4 trinty believers it has SCRIPTURE.
@october31st1517 the question why u think it's Not only 144000??? Think 4 5seconds NOW! Jesus told his apostle they were going to heaven, Paul as a apostle said the same. They all died but apostle John was the last alive in prison when He Got a vision of what happen. rev7:3-144,000 didn't have palm branches in hand cuz they was on EARTH thats a EARTHLY thing.
@31devildestroyer There is NO mention at all of 144,000 in any part of the bible... Maybe in your re-written NWT, but not in the original bible. Jehovah's Witnesses continue to rewrite or add in words to the bible to suit their organisations beliefs, you just helped show that, and the fact that it is your words over gods, by adding to the bible. CONGRATULATIONS!
Oh and it was 4 angels, in the 4 corners of the earth.
@SpeedCam1501 JW's are christans, but because of what priest have done over many years. christianity has changed and thats why they call them selfs JWs because they cant call them selfs chistrian because of the horrible things that they did. as a JWs my self, we try to keep it the way it was.
@JandK69r Try to keep it the way it was? I'm sorry but that is the biggest lie I've ever heard.
J.W's over half a dozen times since they were founded, have changed their beliefs or views on things in the world. They continue to create false prophecies and making up excuses, and then they decide to change their beliefs so they cannot be blamed for it.
Stop listening to what your elders tell you, and actually think for yourself without their help or the bibles.
@JandK69r That last part right there is yet another J.W lie, you do not "try to keep it the way it was."
Your organisation has constantly over time since they were first founded changed so many things for example; their views, their beliefs, even their interpretation of the bible, their teachings, their prophecies, way in which they live.
Come back and talk, when you are not brainwashed by that despicable cults teachings.
and we change so many things? like what exactly. i want to know.
but it didnt really matter does it? im not gonig to argue with you, but if your a nice religulous man or woman, thats fine. i just dont like how people lie and tell us what we are like.
@JandK69r Keep telling yourself that, whatever makes you feel better.
I'm generally a nice person, anybody that knows me in person can tell you that apparently.
However when people approach others at their own homes and try to force their opinions and false beliefs onto others, that is when I start getting mean.
You claim MORE THAN OTHERS you are the only true channel to God, yet your ALL your false prophecies say otherwise. You label people apostates or followers of satan for not agreeing...
@JandK69r with you, and you believe they are going against God, because they go against Jehovah's Witnesses.
You changed the words in the scriptures, or even how the scriptures are worded in a sentence, THUS taking it all out of context, you then continue to use random scriptures to back yourselves up, however if you do that, then people can use those scriptures against religion or cults. The bible cannot have PARTICULAR scriptures taken and used without destroying it's meaning :)
watever jehova. when were the jehovas withneses founded? in the 18th century and have the nerve to claim they know everything about christ. Jahovas witnesses dont know shit and uz never will go bak to the true original churches traditional catholic and othodox churches that were founded by the saints and learn there teachings and another thing in the king james bible it says in the begining was the word and the word was with god and the word was god
i just think that most religions go with the soceity interpretation of thr books. cause not everyone is qualified to explain this books most of the time because of the lack of knoweldge, and i think jesus was asking people constantly to worship god and not him, and it was obvious what he meant by get to god through him cause he was the one carrying the message of god, he wanted people to use his message to reach god not him as the only way to god,which contradict all god;s religions in the past
Jesus came to earth and then died, there after was the birth of the CHRISTIAN Cong. When they got out of line PAUL was sent to straighten them out . You should try reading the greek scriptures sometime. So AGAIN whether in HEAVEN, in the HEBREW SCR. or the GREEK SCR. Theres tons of evidence of ORGANIZATION.
If you want do your own thing FINE, but CREATE A RULE against organization, then IGNORE what the bible says about it !
Who sent abraham to the people ? Did the people talk DIRECTLY TO GOD or did abraham speak to them for God ? You know, i feel my IQ starting to drop from this elementary argument.
Either way you look at it there was always orginazation, whether it was GODS HEAVENLY COURT, or his OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVES ON EARTH ( moses noah abe ect) There were humans on EARTH THAT CONVEYED GODS WILL to people.
Although I find the video somewhat entertaining and it does bring out how the majority of the members of the Watchtower feel, it is misleading from the fact that it gives no proof that the "great crowds" are the same. It also ignores the fact that "New Jerusalem" comes down OUT OF HEAVEN (Rev.21:2-4) If that is the case, where would it be? It certainly would not be in heaven if it came out of it. - More info at jwjw.org
@TheLoner83 LOOK HERE, I answered your question, not my fault it was a flawed one, you did say has ANYONE, not ANY MAN seen God. So I didn't tap-dance around the issue idiot.
As for Jesus and God being the same person, it depends on your beliefs, last I checked J.W's do not believe they are the same person... Myself however if God and everything is even real, I believe they are 2 different beings aswell, both just possess the Holy Spirit.
Witnesses are just following orders from God.. the isrealites always had something to say to moses.etc! Yall hav issues with following Gods word... Everyone critisized noah! Jews killed there savior! Worshipping God the right way conflicts with yalls life. Thats why u hate them...Dont shoot the messengers!
@relefordnation Here I thought Jehovah's Witnesses had no sense of humor.
WITNESSES believe we hate them, because in the bible it says many will hate God himself, and somehow think that applies to them aswell. WE HATE WITNESSES for many completely different reasons.
Actually "MY ORGANIZATION" frowns upon beards here in the U.S. because the society we live in, is a "clean-cut" society, not just JWs if you go on a job interview, more than likely they would prefer a "clean-cut" person, to represent them. There are several countries out of 500 languages we teaching where the brothers do where beards.
@TheLoner83 You still haven't stated why you or any other religion and cult displays Jesus Christ as having a beard?
Now last I checked to get into heaven, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE, and religion isn't a job interview, also if you have a neat beard employers don't mind how you look!!!
Jehovah's Witnesses are nothing more than a MAN-MADE CULT ORGANIZATION... In which God has no part in, it's controlled and directed by MAN, NOT GOD!!!
Im feeling cocky again. I really dont care what had,on or wore ! By the that logic, you may as well start from the feet, and sandles to the robes he wore ! You can even where the crown of THORNES if you want !
We were not instructed to dress like Christ...beards and all ! If you want to where it, fine for you, but dont try to make a beard and issue of salvation !
@TheLoner83 Yet you were instructed to KNOCK ON PEOPLES DOORS WHILE THEY ARE AT HOME... A complete invasion of their privacy HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM yet the bible says nothing about DOOR-KNOCKING, that part is your organizations words (a mans words) not God's.
Also to frown upon something that Christ had, is incredibly stupid and hypocritical... I'm just merely stating facts, not my fault if you cannot handle that.
you know what, at least i have a religion, you on other hand were thrown of JWs, and you're too bitter and angry to MOVE ON with your life ! What do you belive ?
Does it bother you to know that no matter how much, hate us we are still growing and increasing, while you're standing outside our conventions, like a scorned woman crying for attention, we cant even hear you, or acknowledge your presence !
We are happy you left, we dont miss you, or care about you.
@TheLoner83 Also now you are tap-dancing around the issue, fact is you believe that you must have a NEAT LOOK at all times and it in some warped way pleases God.
You can cal me all the names you want , i really dont care what you think. Im will not retaliate, and call you names BECAUSE IM NOT IN KINDERGARTEN ! Would you finally ike to address, john 1;18 ?
@TheLoner83 I'm sorry, I was never a Jehovah's Witness :) So I was never thrown out! personally I just don't like your cult I've both seen and heard (from close friends) what they can do. Also your beliefs are ridiculous and pathetic. Also pride is a sin, so being prideful in yourselves isn't a good thing.
OH WOW, you're growing in number that just means what? OH YEAH the other 99% of the world including myself are actually living a life without being controlled or fearing your organization :D
If you'd look in the bible, you'd know that God has always dealt with his people in an organizational setting. Even in heaven, God staitons the angels in an orgazational setting. Remember when Satan walked into God heavenly court ?
So Dont join, but dont MAKE A RULE that there is something with orgizational structure. You say you're gonna do your own thing, FINE; but just know God NEVER directed anyone 1 person alone, it was alway cooperation.
Uhh dude they didnot act alone first off, the reason moses were around and others were SENT TO HELP GODS PEOPLE, hello. Even in moses day noahs day THERE WAS ALWAY ORGANIZATION
@TheLoner83 uh, "dude", noah ? no organization. abraham? no roganization? moses? no organization was the thing that god used to save his people. it was a single man, in midian, he called personally. I didnt say god didnt have people, in the case of moses. he did not have an ORGANIZATION that spoke for him, ordered his people, and thought tlike the Watchtower. At the time of israel, yes, he used that group. he also used solitary men whne that organization became apostate
uh dude, NOAH WAS THE LEADER OF HIS OWN FAMILY, and he was to lead anyone else that happened to heed his warning. After the flood, noah children had children who LATER BECAME GODS NATION. ( STILL ORGANIZATION ) Even abraham was told that he would become a great nation ! Also who did MOSES LEAD OUT OF EGYPT, himself !? (organization) So UHHH you can retract. You try reading the account !
@TheLoner83 so a family is Gods organization? and abrahms promise to become a nation, tho he wasnt at the time, is an organization? who led moses out of Egypt??lol God, one GUY, if you will, and one man. no organization of elders, governing body, apostles, nothing. i assume your 5 , in the way your answering this, so Im not gonna go any further. yu clearly want to believe what you believe. good for you. enjoy
@TheLoner83 my point,and you know what it is, is that no group has any claim to be some kind of solitary, authority, just because its an organization. God PRIMARILY used individuals in the Bible, but, no matter what, Jesus NEVER said to come to salvation thru any church or organization, but to come to him personally. that means, HIM, not the wt, not the mormon church, not the catholic church, or anyone else who claims the same nonsense about being gods true channel.
@julecezar213 when did is ay that? you know very well he said no one can come to the father without coming to him. he never said that coming to him, included, coming to the watchtower, 2k years later, only. how did you come to him during this apostasy time, of 2k years? church. what church? many different ones obviously. it wasnt perfect doctrine, it was coming to him and being born again. as he said. a building, or certain bag of doctrines is not the point.
I didnt say you had to belive anything about JWs, in fact DONT CARE WHAT YOU BELIVE ! But just because you want to IGNORE the fact that God works in an organized way, does not THE PROOF IS NOT THERE AS YOU CAN SEE !
@TheLoner83 well, thanks for not caring what I believe... if you were truly concerned asa christian, you would. if im wrong, ill gladly look at that. as you should. but, your obviously highly emotional, and interested in being right, only. good day
Posting a fake conversation with yourself is not a good way to get cult victims to start thinking. Especially when you don't even bother to label it "dramatization" (that even an idiot can tell it is such notwithstanding).
@SoldMySoul4Rich Because human's are not suppose to have every-lasting life, it's why it would have been taken away in the first place... Wanting to 'live' forever is quite selfish, what you can't be incredibly happy with a normal mortal life?
Forceful approach??? This guy speed is a clown. Lol. Where do you get your information from speedcam??? A man?? A imperfect man? I rather follow the Bible. Speedcam what religion are you?
@T0pMySwaqq Yes! Door-knocking is considered a forceful approach, as it makes people approach others when they are at home, in their personal space... Jesus never went door-knocking, he spread the word to those that were around, and that's how Jesus spread the word.
I'm not a part of any religion, if I wanted to follow god I'd get a bible, but I wouldn't join an organised religion or cult.
This is so false. So what is the reason for the earth? God created the earth for nothing. My parents are JW and I really believe it is the truth. So much hat toward JW they must be doing something right. No way that the JW are a cult. Knocking from door to door is not wrong. Jesus said preach to people. They may not be Jesus but they are following Jesus very good.
@T0pMySwaqq The earth is place where we can live and enjoy our life, there is no higher purpose for it. Religion always seems to need a number of reasons and purposes for something.
Believe it's the truth all you want, given that you've grown up around JW I wouldn't expect you to have clear views on the matter/
@speedcam, you deffinately have a hard time understanding peoples view points. I explain what an athiest and what is a theism. Make a research for yourself for once and look if you want to critize all day and not reason like normal person will then I had enough of you. I hope you have a good life settling with not having everlasting live, take care.
@SoldMySoul4Rich You explained yes what an atheist and atheism are... You explained my beliefs, which do not fit the criteria of an atheist or for that matter atheism views.
Perhaps you'd like to rewrite your comments and this particular topic, obviously you failed to prove anything with them.
Also I'm happy with just the one life, wanting everlasting life and trying to earn it is just plain Greed... That's if everlasting life is even attainable, good luck with that.
Rev 19:1 its says "I (heard what was as) a loud voice of a great crowd (in) heaven." He is saying he heard a voice in heaven that was just as loud as a great crowd. Not that they were in heaven. He HEARD!
This video was so stupid. You have the right to believe what you want but don't critize Jehovah Witnesses because they believe the truth. Everything the Bible says they go by.
@M1keGo1ngHam You believe in a human interpretation of the truth, just because you think you go by everything the bible says.
You forget you're part of an organisation, where the beliefs of the organisation come from interpretations and limited understanding of the bible and all it's so-called knowledge and teachings.
@SpeedCam1501 So, you are saying that the Bible is not true? Everything the Bible says that will happen on the earth is happening. Food storages, "great" earthquakes, men lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God, and men laying with men. The Bible tells it all. I believe the Bible! I think it is real enough for anybody to understand.
@M1keGo1ngHam That list of things you just mentioned, anyone with half a mind and understanding of the world could have seen coming, as for the men with men part, who gives a shit who someone sleeps with, it's their choice.
Now God gave people free-will, to choose what they want to do, not have OPTIONS given to them, and to choose between them, that's not free-will.
Also the bible 'may not be true', however jw are never going to be true, no matter what they believe.
@SpeedCam1501 Speedcam, you can't interpret any religion's beliefs unless you study the bible yourself. To be on here saying it's a 'limited understaning' means nothing from someone who is biblicly ignorant. Dont' get all pissy bout what i'm saying neither, i'm just telling you the truth. Bottom line is you need a bible study more than you know my ozzie friend. Then you will see who has the best understanding of it. That's the only way.
@queue555 Okay this is where you're starting to annoy me, not because you think it's the truth, but because it's a load of lying crap.
I have studied bibles, and not just in one religion or cult, but many... Now JW strongly believe that only they have the truth, and that their members will be saved above everyone else in the world, and you say I'm ignorant? Someday the Sin, Pride will have a picture of a JW as a definition.
@SpeedCam1501 "load of lying crap'. You aint studied nothin! i know this because you do not show any scriptural knowledge to reveal it, EVER. You do not debate scripture from any other standpoint (Trinitarian belief etc, which is popular), EVER. You just nit pick the JW's basically. And FYI the don't think they are the only ones saved, if you really understood them, you'd know that too. what do you want me to say to you? yeah speedo, the JW's are this and that. NO! i'm not going to!!
@queue555 Careful now, you're starting to use your foul mouth again, Jehovah won't like that.
I don't need to show you any scriptural knowledge, I don't need a bible to explain my answers, that's why I'm using actual facts on JW and their beliefs, their history (if you can call it that), and the way the run things.
JW are not as perfect or even better than other religions or cults, as you and every other jw or jw loving person believes.
@SpeedCam1501 Okay JW do strongly believe they are the only ones with the Truth, and that all other religious groups lie... I know for a fact I'm not wrong on that matter.
If I'm starting to annoy you, then that shows signs of some minor doubt, otherwise you'd be perfectly relaxed and calm about this entire conversation.
@M1keGo1ngHam Also in answer to your question, YES, mormon's are a cult, not just jehovah's witnesses.
Last I checked jw's try to apparently follow God, not Jesus. They believe Jesus is the ArchAngel Michael, so unless Michael/Jesus is God, I'm sorry but you wouldn't be worth going into any further argument here, as you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Also door-knocking is considered a forceful approach to gain members. Hopefully you will think twice before saying anything again.
@SpeedCam1501 You just don't understand, maybe you should try to listen to one of Jehovah Witnesses one day. They don't force you to do anything. Jesus preached to people all over the land. So, how are Jehovah Witnesses not following him? At Matt 28:19, 20 it says Jesus said "Go and make disciples" so we can't make disciples if we don't go knock on peoples doors. This is one of the best organization no this is the only organization I love. Full with brotherly love.
@M1keGo1ngHam You're not very bright are you? I said door-knocking is considered a forceful approach, whether you understand that I don't care.
Also if the bible said that aliens were real, would you believe that too? With the bible it's all 'he said that this person said this' there is absolutely no proof, words are not enough, words can be exaggerated, words can be misinterpreted, words can be changed to fit the needs of others. Also Jesus may have preached, but jw's are not jesus.
@SpeedCam1501 See? how many times do you have to be told about door knocking!! I already went through it with you, what part of 'go out & make disciples of me', don't you understand!! You got a better idea than God had for his believers??? . AGAIN. ACTS 6 42, 'And EVERYDAY in the temple & from HOUSE TO HOUSE they continued without letup teaching & declaring the good news about the Christ Jesus'. Forceful too then in YOUR mind. That's what they did in those days, no phones, computors etc. house.
@queue555 That depends, how many times do your interpretations and understandings on the matter have to be wrong?
See in jw's and your minds, you think "going out and making disciples" means door-knocking, because it's what you think they did in the time of Jesus (if he was ever real, given there is no proof of his existence).
I already explained in my last comment on the matter how word was more than likely spread about God and his will, which more than fits the description of ACT 6:42.
@SpeedCam1501 Okay, i've had enough. Enough of Speedcam that i'm not even reading anymore than this box on ACTs 6 42 which doesn't exist. i said ACTS 6. That means read from the beginning! OH Jeez. i think there's something wrong with you, do you do drugs!! cos i can't think of any other reason why this isn't sinking in to your head really! I don't have time for it anymore, i got other's to talk to that can relate, you don't know a damn thing about the Bible, other's at least do. Bye.
@SpeedCam1501 Don't "clearly watch what they were sa;ying me!". i have told you over and over and over on doorknocking and why it is NOT FORCEFUL. ACTS 6, DID YOU READ IT? YES OR NO? IF YES, THEN THERE IS YOUR ANSWER TO WHAT HAPPENS when they went preaching house to house!! darnit kid! it's that easy to just say, 'oh ok, i get it'. i suppose you're right. So what!. ONE MORE TIME, THERE IS NOUGHT WRONG WITH DOORKNOCKING. JESUS WENT OUT AND PREACHED, END OF TOPIC.
@queue555 I have read ACTS 6 numerous amounts of times, and there is nothing about DOOR-KNOCKING on there, also throughout the bible there is no mention of JESUS CHRIST ever going DOOR-KNOCKING.
Door knocking is a forceful approach, as you interrupt people while they are at home, and sometimes you even come around for a second go at trying to recruit them, Jesus' word was spread thanks to gossip NOTHING MORE!
It's not easy to say oh ok i get it, because what's there to get from a clear lie.
@SpeedCam1501 Right that's it! i'm on the next flight to Sydney, and gonna hunt you down!! LOL. Acts 6 reads, Now in these days, when the disciples were increasing'. I already told you they went to peoples houses to preach, as well as on the streets etc, and what happens? the disciples increased, they got more followers of Jesus. This is the biblical version of 'doorknocking'. JW's follow Jesus's command in Matt 28 19 "Go and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the etc
@queue555 I'll meet you then at the Sydney airport shall I, save you some time TRYING to find me.
Okay it's clear how Jesus and his disciples preached, and it's clear how the JW's preach... It is not the same way, you record all your preachings door-to-door, Jesus never done that, in fact he never went door-to-door... JW's go door-to-door in order to EARN their salvation, Jesus preached cause he wanted to spread hope to the world, by trying to prove to others there is a god.
@SpeedCam1501 It isn't forceful. The doorbell rings, you open it, two smiling faces stand there & introduce themselves oh so politely and friendly. Explain who they are, offer up a WT, may ask a few questions, if the person is non responsive, depending on body language and what they say, they move on. They will return if no one answers, the do not know, maybe someone works nights and was sleeping. now stop arguing about the damn doorknocking! It's like sales, except their selling God.
@queue555 You approach people at their own homes, why can't you be more like Christians go to community festivals and markets, try spreading the word of your jehovah that way? It would fit well with what Jesus tried doing back in his time, rather than door knocking.
Also, just because one smiles, and is polite and friendly... Could more than very well be a deceptive act, I'm pretty sure Lucifer would try doing things in the same way to gain control over people.
@SpeedCam1501 i will just add this though, PLEASE PLEASE look up and watch about the FLDS on youtube. This will show you what a cult really is. It's amazing that it is still going on in this country. I watched 'Anderson' on tv last night who had Jeffs brother on there, and some escapees. 40 plus relatives? numerous wives? Try studying that sick spin off from the LDS who belive still that Polygamy is biblical, so they justify it, and it is not. serious, look at that. JW IS FAR FAR AWAY FROM IT.
@queue555 Mormon's are a cult, so why would knock-off members that decided to make their own churches be any different?
Leroy, member and leader of FLDS had 22 known wives, and 60 children, though claims have been made that he had 60+ wives before he died.
The Jeff's brothers were both idiots, Rulon because he quite the ego, if you want to research more on him till he died, and Warren because he had so many lawsuits slapped on him.
JW are still just as bad, though not for the same reasons.
@SpeedCam1501 They are not just as bad, now you're sounding like a fool. a young one at that. look, why does someone of your age, you say you're 20 want to keep on about any religion?. You don't believe in a true God, so get off if it speedcam and talk about something else! Warren Jeffs is in prison honey cos of sexual abuse on young girls ok?. The town of Colorado city is all caught in the FLDS even their local police! If you cannot see what a real cult is, then there's summit wrong with you
@queue555 I've already agreed with you that FLDS is a cult.
However this video was never about FLDS was it? If it were then I'd be talking about the FLDS instead of the Jehovah's Witnesses. But no you'd prefer to shift this talk onto a cult that wasn't even mentioned here till you brought it up to try and get me off JW's backs.
"You say you're 20" I am 20, I don't know how hard that is for you to get through that thick skull of yours, and you say I'm a brick wall.
@SpeedCam1501 I used the FLDS as that is a practicing cult, and has been in the news here alot lately as Warren Jeffs was finally convicted and imprisoned. Yet, it's still going on. You call the Witnesses a cult and i've said a million times they aint, and decided to use that as an example of what a cult is and does. The witnesses DO NOT ACT LIKE THAT IN THE NAME OF JHVH.
@queue555 Unfortunately I can only read what comes out in the media online, and in books about the FLDS, seeing as they don't exist anywhere near where I live, only the LDS.
You may have said it ain't a cult, but beginning of our little debate I gave you more than enough actions of the JW's that are like that of a cult's actions, also the bible does say not to put your faith and trust in false prophets, again another reason why 75+% of the WORLD do not believe you possess the truth.
@SpeedCam1501 a better estimate is 99.91428571% don't agree. If I had an opinion with a differing consensus of that ratio I would at least re-evaluate what I was trying to shove down everyone's throat.
@KeissRandomKeissen Forgive me, I failed maths, since there is around 7 billion, and only around 7 million jehovahs, honestly it's not worth calculating correctly, hence why I just said 75+% :)
@SpeedCam1501 If they preach the correct word of God, then they are not a cult. Get off of it. There is no secrecy. Jesus said this, ' The world has no reason to hate you, but it hates me, because i bear witness concerning it that its works are wicked'. Why are they the most persecuted religion?. Matt 7.14" whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, & FEW are the ones finding it'. Come the Trib, how many do you think will get through Speed cam? Billions?. Nope.
@queue555 If they preach their own interpretations of God's words, then they are :)
Jehovah's Witnesses do have secrets, I've seen and witnessed myself many jw's that run off when they cannot answer certain questions, or they label you an apostate or follower of Lucifer (Satan, if we need to be proper here) and then piss off.
If God cannot save EVERYONE, he is not a God. If he is able, but not willing, then he is malevolent.
@SpeedCam1501 They preach God's word's correctly. They try to live clean lives. They know that we are imperfect. Maybe the ones who walked off, were not that confident 'out in the field', there could be more than one reason. i wouldn't have ran off. i have to learn to zip it, if someone gets nasty. That would be my downfall, i can't stand uneccessary rudeness. God isn't going to save everyone, he never said that. That is where our gift of free will comes in. He is not controlling what we do.
@queue555 They ASSUME that they preach God's words correctly, however given that jw's don't possess the TRUTH, how can they be correct, the truth is never wrong, yet jw's are more than too often wrong about so many things, not just their prophecies.
If they are not that confident out in the field, they shouldn't be in the organisation, because lack of confidence would show lack of faith and understanding of the bible.
@SpeedCam1501 you have your opinion of them based upon what you've read is all. you havn't spent enough time with them. you do not understand the Bible, yet you seem to think you can debate on it!! ridiculous! How could i debate to a microbiologist if i havn't studied or read anything on the subject, i'd hardly be qualified. you need to go back and get qualified to debate, NOT ATTACK religions. or, just drop the subject and get on with your life.
@queue555 I spent more than enough time with Jehovah's Witnesses, to know that they are all the same... And no offence but not one J.W. has proven that wrong.
I do understand the bible, but I DO NOT USE THE BIBLE to answer questions, or give MY OWN reasons, or to DEFEND certain things.
I more than meet the level of qualification to debate religion with you or any other JW on here.
Also quit telling me to leave, and "get on with my life", you clearly do
As a Catholic I believe not in salvation through a certian denomination but if it did come down to denominations the JW doctrine is fafr out of context i believe the only way they will get saved is by charity the way the behave with everyone else because doctrine alone it seems to farfetched!
DominumAlejandro 1 day ago
that was awesome
lilfreeway21 1 day ago
lifeizgood420@ you all need to leave that cult. You people are all blasphemers and the Watchtower is homo. You jws have old books and pictures of Jesus with naked men.
WripRoss 5 days ago
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WripRoss 5 days ago
it doesnt , niether does the watchtower . you come up with this out of nowhere . do u even know what contrary means ? you say are you kidding ? where does the bible ect.ect. i never said the bible did say we get eternal life thought the watchtower , you pulled that out of your ass . after every paragraph or so in the watchtower there is scripture you can look up to support what the Watchtower is saying . you come off as ignorant and mad at the fact that you dont have the life of ur family.
lifeizgood420 1 week ago
@lifeizgood420 "there is scripture you can look up to support what the watchtower is saying" OH YES, the scriptures you take out of context every time and USE to support what you do for the organisations selfish gain.
While vaio294 isn't completely right, the point that his trying to make about witnesses not living solely by the bible is correct.
SpeedCam1501 6 days ago
@SpeedCam1501 the bible they use really isnt much different from other bibles . ive sat and compared . have you ? if you have and you still say they are way different then you my friend are the lost one .
lifeizgood420 6 days ago
@lifeizgood420 I'm well aware of the small differences in each religion and/or cults bible, yet every single religion and cult member decides to use particular scriptures (TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT) when trying to prove a point about religion or god or anything to do with biblical history, witnesses do this more than most.
Also you didn't read my comment properly, I was saying how witnesses do not live solely BY the bible, whether it's the bible they study or not.
SpeedCam1501 5 days ago
@lifeizgood420 ~ ((the bible they use really isnt much different from other bibles .))
The JW bible has many changes to it.. The Watchtower leaders further change the Bible by using their Watchtower publications.. So, because of a changed Bible and self-promoting Watchtower publications, JW's do NOT know God nor Jesus.
JW's are simply in a SATANIC Anti-Christ CULT, but they can't see it because the Bible has been DISTORTED to them.
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VAIO294 5 days ago
@VAIO294 you are so ignorant . i cant believe i let you waste my time . go find something to do with yourself. its completely pointless to argue with some that doesn't care to listen or make any sense. do not reply
lifeizgood420 5 days ago
@lifeizgood420 ~ You seem to have a problem accepting truth when confronted with it..
Do you care to change you comment about the Watchtower saying people MUST belong to the Watchtower Corporation/organization to have Salvation??.. That teaching is clearly a LIE.. correct?
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VAIO294 5 days ago
@lifeizgood420 ~ Jehovah Witnesses are NOT "Christians"!.. I don't say that to be harsh.
You cannot teach ANTI-CHRIST teachings and be a "Christian".
The JW's teaching that Salvation REQUIRES that a person MUST be a member of their Watchtower Corporation, is ANTI-CHRIST because it's attributing Salvation to a Publishing Corporation instead of exclusively to the Savior JESUS CHRIST Himself, like the Bible says.
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VAIO294 5 days ago
@SpeedCam1501 ~ {{""While vaio294 isn't completely right, the point that his trying to make about witnesses not living solely by the bible is correct.""}}
I don't think I posted anything that was Not correct, but if I did, please point it out so that I can correct it.
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VAIO294 5 days ago
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ymmasochoa 5 days ago
@VAIO294 No that is true, what you posted was correct, I probably should have worded that comment of mine better, but I had only had like 2hours sleep when I wrote that.
When I said you weren't completely right, what I was trying to say was that you needed to write a bit more info or reason on top of what you already had, making it more difficult for witnesses to argue with. My bad about the crappy grammar in that last comment.
SpeedCam1501 4 days ago
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VAIO294 4 days ago
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@SpeedCam1501 ~ I think you and I both know JW's will argue no matter how much or how little one writes...Yet because I'm usually posting on several videos at the same time, sometimes I don't stay around and elaborate... I'm sure you understand.
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VAIO294 4 days ago
@VAIO294 OH YES, I understand very well, hope you can forgive me for my comment... I'm doing the same thing on 9 different videos related to jehovah's witnesses. (and more on other cults), I understand how tiring it can sometimes be to write stuff in detail.
SpeedCam1501 3 days ago
@SpeedCam1501 ~ No problem... It's cool.
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VAIO294 3 days ago
@VAIO294 Cheers mate... I hope your arguments with the witnesses actually leads to some of them listening to reason and facts :)
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@lifeizgood420 ~ {{ Where does the BIBLE say we get Eternal Life thru teh Watchtower Publishing Corporation/organization??""
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YES the Watchtower does preach that LIE from Satan!
>>**"And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah's ORGANIZATION for SALVATION,..." ~ ( Watchtower magazine1981 Nov. 15 p.21 )
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VAIO294 5 days ago
@lifeizgood420 ~{""after every paragraph or so in the watchtower there is scripture you can look up to support what the Watchtower is saying''}}
They take verses OUT OF THEIR BIBLICAL CONTEXT, and then place the verses in a DIFFERENT context that does NOT agree with the HOLY BIBLE.
It's called SCRIPTURE MANIPULATION!!!
The Watchtower magazine is NOT THE BIBLE... You need ONLY the HOLY BIBLE!
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VAIO294 5 days ago
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@lifeizgood420 ~ {"" after every paragraph or so in the watchtower there is scripture you can look up to support what the Watchtower is saying .""}
Watchtower publications are written for the purpose of GETTING and KEEPING Watchtower Corporation MEMBERS.. They are NOT written for the purpose of giving people PURE TRUTH!
That's what the HOLY BIBLE is for.. PURE TRUTH!!
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VAIO294 5 days ago
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~ To JW's:
When you Repent and then place your Faith in the **SIN ATONING BLOOD** of JESUS CHRIST as being your Salvation, you are then **FORGIVEN of YOUR SINS**,, and with this FORGIVENESS you HAVE Eternal Life as God's Free Gift to you simply because HE LOVES YOU!
You accepting this Eternal Life, by your trusting in JESUS and His BLOOD to save you, is the BEGINNING of your Life-long walk with GOD.
**John 3:36 ~ *Whoever Believes on JESUS CHRIST *HAS* Everlasting Life”.
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VAIO294 1 week ago
The great crow in heaven is composed by angels plus 144k Saints taken from Earth. I met a woman from the organization who claimed being one of the 144K. I asked an elder that the bible says the 144k are men, not women. Well, he started to get angry for asking.
argent2020 1 week ago
@argent2020 WOW! Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
October31st1517 1 week ago
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OoMostHighoO 1 week ago
@October31st1517 Yes I know and our final authority is the bible
dancerfeet1 1 week ago
Actually as a JW you got that wrong. We believe everything in the bible and that is our final authority, the faithful and discreet slave help us on earth and the ones that have died are in heaven. It's quite simple I answered that and Iam 13
dancerfeet1 1 week ago
@dancerfeet1 So if the faithful & discreet slave taught something contrary to the bible. you would take the scripture over the society. Correct?
October31st1517 1 week ago
@October31st1517, that's why they are one of the 144,000 who did no defile themselves with the women, meaning corrupt or spread lies about the bible. The are virgins in the sense that they are spiritually pure.
OoMostHighoO 1 week ago
@October31st1517 THE FACT IS THEY DON'T TEACH ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THEIR BIBLE . ITS SAD THAT YOU HAD TO PLAY BOTH ROLES IN THIS VIDEO OF YOURS. HOW ABOUT A REAL CONVERSATION WITH A JW NEXT TIME ?
lifeizgood420 1 week ago
@lifeizgood420 ~{{"THE FACT IS THEY DON'T TEACH ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THEIR BIBLE "}}
ARE YOU KIDDING???.. Where does the BIBLE say we get Eternal Life thru teh Watchtower Publishing Corporation/organization??.. What scripture is that???
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VAIO294 1 week ago
Great video brother....helped me a great deal in giving a defense when next I meet a JW
daleyboy77 1 week ago
This is funny. Well, let me clear this: There are clearly 2 different crowds. The first in CH 7 "comes out from the big tribulation" and the 2nd. in CH 19 is in heaven. The first are millions of humans and the second are millions of angels.
otokosith 1 week ago
@otokosith Is there a publication that gives the interpretation you have given?
October31st1517 1 week ago
@October31st1517 For centuries catholics and reformers haven´t understood the literal and simbolic elements in Revelation Book; You will not find congruency at all in their books. Some elements will match, but a big bunch won´t; that happens always when you read these publications. You will need a very different source: Christian, of course, but quite different from what you have known. There´s no secret in that, it´s just common sense and reason out the point up to the very whole context.
otokosith 1 week ago
@otokosith That is really not the issue of the video but I have to ask, where can I get accurate knowledge on the book of Revelation?
October31st1517 1 week ago
@October31st1517 Bible itself will give you light about the simbols. But first, you´ll need 3 things before you understand this book: Patience. Untie from any prejudice, and last, the Right Motivation. The real name of the Bibles´God is Jehováh, ¿Does that give you a clue where to dig up?. By the way!... this video it´s a cheap and sad mockery of what JW really are.
otokosith 1 week ago
@otokosith OK, So in other words I don't need the organization. As long as I have patience, no prejudices & the right motivation I can learn the truth on my own? Correct?
October31st1517 1 week ago
@October31st1517 That´s correct, there exists the autodidactic (self taught) method to learn things, ¿right?, buuuuuuut.... one Q: ¿Was there in the beginning of Christianism a group of ORGANIZED christians?, the answer it´s obvious. Please read Facts of Apostles 18: 24 - 28. You´ll find there a case that demostrates the correct balance in christian learning.
otokosith 1 week ago
@otokosith And that balance is?
October31st1517 1 week ago
@October31st1517 Mi querido y nada bien conocido Octoberfest: Ponte a estudiar la Biblia de manera objetiva y sé honesto con lo que ahí dice; y no le busques trés piés al gato sabiendo que tiene cuatro. Good questions are important in life to learn, when there are obvious answers, ¿why question nonsense further?. You seem to read the Bible. Be congruent, Aufwiedersehen.
otokosith 6 days ago
@otokosith Yes, it is a cheap mockery. I'm JW study, but it still cracks me up when he runs off! i'm sorry!.
queue555 1 week ago
@queue555 I use to take all this videos with some humor, they are funny and sad as well. Keep studying; with patience, no prejudices and the right motivation. Jehováh will bless that lots.
otokosith 1 week ago
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@otokosith ~ ~ To JW's:
When you Repent and then place your Faith in the **SIN ATONING BLOOD** of JESUS CHRIST as being your Salvation, you are then **FORGIVEN of YOUR SINS**,, and with this FORGIVENESS you HAVE Eternal Life as God's Free Gift to you simply because HE LOVES YOU!
You accepting this Eternal Life, by your trusting in JESUS and His BLOOD to save you, is the BEGINNING of your Life-long walk with GOD.
**John 3:36 ~ *Whoever Believes on JESUS CHRIST *HAS* Everlasting Life”.
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VAIO294 1 week ago
I know you probably don't want to. But you should talk to a JW next time. If you don't all ready when they annoy you at your door. :D I promise they will not try to brainwash you! As humans we are all still learning.
JandK69r 1 week ago
He asks us to use his name, but I'm not saying any more. I don't want you to dislike or hate me. I appreciate your love for god. And I'll leave you alone. You look like a young man, but I'm only 15 so iv got a lot to learn. Thnx
JandK69r 1 week ago
You say JWs have changed the bible and have rewrote it? At lease we have kept god name in it.
JandK69r 1 week ago
@JandK69r Well they have... Also who gives a shit about you keeping his name, others still acknowledge him even with a title, they know his name, but choose a title instead.
Also as for God's name it was originally believed God's name was far to sacred to say, hence why YHWH originally had no correct pronunciation .
SpeedCam1501 1 week ago
And remember we do not try to persuade people, like a lie, but to reason with you. A lie must come in after something has been said, doesn't. We only try to teach the truth, NOT brainwash, :/
JandK69r 1 week ago
@SARDU1976 I agree
JandK69r 1 week ago
This is quite comical but you're missing the point of God's salvation in it's entirety. Regardless of what stupid doctrines they have or whether or not they believe in the Trinity, the bottom line is that to become a Jehovah's Witness, you must accept Christ as your savior and his gift of everlasting life. As long as you do that, you will spend eternity in God's kingdom, regardless of what else you believe.
SARDU1976 2 weeks ago
U have no idea, do u?
JandK69r 2 weeks ago
u look alike
ZaCTHERippeR1990 2 weeks ago
@ZaCTHERippeR1990 facepalm/
glennzone12 2 weeks ago
@october31st1517--1000yrs AFTER JUGDMENT DAY, holy people will be inthe4corners of da EARTH, but the apostle will be in heaven ruling at the time wit 144000 others. SEE! revelations20:6-9 EVERY almanac says the BIBLE is our authority, 4 trinty believers it has SCRIPTURE.
31devildestroyer 2 weeks ago
@october31st1517 the question why u think it's Not only 144000??? Think 4 5seconds NOW! Jesus told his apostle they were going to heaven, Paul as a apostle said the same. They all died but apostle John was the last alive in prison when He Got a vision of what happen. rev7:3-144,000 didn't have palm branches in hand cuz they was on EARTH thats a EARTHLY thing.
31devildestroyer 2 weeks ago
@31devildestroyer There is NO mention at all of 144,000 in any part of the bible... Maybe in your re-written NWT, but not in the original bible. Jehovah's Witnesses continue to rewrite or add in words to the bible to suit their organisations beliefs, you just helped show that, and the fact that it is your words over gods, by adding to the bible. CONGRATULATIONS!
Oh and it was 4 angels, in the 4 corners of the earth.
SpeedCam1501 2 weeks ago
@SpeedCam1501 JW's are christans, but because of what priest have done over many years. christianity has changed and thats why they call them selfs JWs because they cant call them selfs chistrian because of the horrible things that they did. as a JWs my self, we try to keep it the way it was.
JandK69r 2 weeks ago
@JandK69r Try to keep it the way it was? I'm sorry but that is the biggest lie I've ever heard.
J.W's over half a dozen times since they were founded, have changed their beliefs or views on things in the world. They continue to create false prophecies and making up excuses, and then they decide to change their beliefs so they cannot be blamed for it.
Stop listening to what your elders tell you, and actually think for yourself without their help or the bibles.
SpeedCam1501 2 weeks ago
@JandK69r That last part right there is yet another J.W lie, you do not "try to keep it the way it was."
Your organisation has constantly over time since they were first founded changed so many things for example; their views, their beliefs, even their interpretation of the bible, their teachings, their prophecies, way in which they live.
Come back and talk, when you are not brainwashed by that despicable cults teachings.
SpeedCam1501 2 weeks ago
@SpeedCam1501 no worries bro, the end is near.
and we change so many things? like what exactly. i want to know.
but it didnt really matter does it? im not gonig to argue with you, but if your a nice religulous man or woman, thats fine. i just dont like how people lie and tell us what we are like.
JandK69r 1 week ago
@JandK69r Keep telling yourself that, whatever makes you feel better.
I'm generally a nice person, anybody that knows me in person can tell you that apparently.
However when people approach others at their own homes and try to force their opinions and false beliefs onto others, that is when I start getting mean.
You claim MORE THAN OTHERS you are the only true channel to God, yet your ALL your false prophecies say otherwise. You label people apostates or followers of satan for not agreeing...
SpeedCam1501 1 week ago
@JandK69r with you, and you believe they are going against God, because they go against Jehovah's Witnesses.
You changed the words in the scriptures, or even how the scriptures are worded in a sentence, THUS taking it all out of context, you then continue to use random scriptures to back yourselves up, however if you do that, then people can use those scriptures against religion or cults. The bible cannot have PARTICULAR scriptures taken and used without destroying it's meaning :)
SpeedCam1501 1 week ago
watever jehova. when were the jehovas withneses founded? in the 18th century and have the nerve to claim they know everything about christ. Jahovas witnesses dont know shit and uz never will go bak to the true original churches traditional catholic and othodox churches that were founded by the saints and learn there teachings and another thing in the king james bible it says in the begining was the word and the word was with god and the word was god
now all u jahovas go read that section,learn
bolt586 3 weeks ago
@bolt586 They claim that Jesus has visited the watctower and they are the chosen ones lol. What nuts.
NICH0LASM 2 weeks ago
lol love this clip> sir lol only jesus christ is the true way
Angelahoneydew 3 weeks ago
i just think that most religions go with the soceity interpretation of thr books. cause not everyone is qualified to explain this books most of the time because of the lack of knoweldge, and i think jesus was asking people constantly to worship god and not him, and it was obvious what he meant by get to god through him cause he was the one carrying the message of god, he wanted people to use his message to reach god not him as the only way to god,which contradict all god;s religions in the past
julecezar213 4 weeks ago
Jesus came to earth and then died, there after was the birth of the CHRISTIAN Cong. When they got out of line PAUL was sent to straighten them out . You should try reading the greek scriptures sometime. So AGAIN whether in HEAVEN, in the HEBREW SCR. or the GREEK SCR. Theres tons of evidence of ORGANIZATION.
If you want do your own thing FINE, but CREATE A RULE against organization, then IGNORE what the bible says about it !
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
Who sent abraham to the people ? Did the people talk DIRECTLY TO GOD or did abraham speak to them for God ? You know, i feel my IQ starting to drop from this elementary argument.
Either way you look at it there was always orginazation, whether it was GODS HEAVENLY COURT, or his OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVES ON EARTH ( moses noah abe ect) There were humans on EARTH THAT CONVEYED GODS WILL to people.
So dont accept it, if you dont want to !
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
..no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20)
CoolClips13ClipsADay 4 weeks ago
Although I find the video somewhat entertaining and it does bring out how the majority of the members of the Watchtower feel, it is misleading from the fact that it gives no proof that the "great crowds" are the same. It also ignores the fact that "New Jerusalem" comes down OUT OF HEAVEN (Rev.21:2-4) If that is the case, where would it be? It certainly would not be in heaven if it came out of it. - More info at jwjw.org
dbeckmanjr 4 weeks ago
if i were a jehoah witness id kill myself
raplyclark1987 1 month ago
@raplyclark1987
Lets not rule anything out
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
I think rev 19:1 refers to the 144,000,000 rev 19:6 refers to the people that will live on earth
ctshspider 1 month ago
Who do you guys, think you are ? Your problem is you need to meet a REAL jw, feel free to step up.
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 Oh sorry princess, but already have on more than one occasion... All the same ignorant, arrogant, prideful people.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
Blah blah blah, put up or shut up !
john 1:18
No man has EVER SEEN GOD, the only begotten at the BOSOM of the father, has explained him !
NOW, has anyone ever seen god ? YES OR NO
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 YES!
It says that 'NO MAN' has ever seen God.
ANGELS ON THE OTHER HAND!
However I don't see how this has anything to do with the fact that Witnesses are ignorant, arrogant, prideful and just down-right rude.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
Angels !? Who cares ? DONT TAP-DANCE around the issue ! According to John 1:18 Are Christ and Almighty God the same person ? YES OR NO
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 LOOK HERE, I answered your question, not my fault it was a flawed one, you did say has ANYONE, not ANY MAN seen God. So I didn't tap-dance around the issue idiot.
As for Jesus and God being the same person, it depends on your beliefs, last I checked J.W's do not believe they are the same person... Myself however if God and everything is even real, I believe they are 2 different beings aswell, both just possess the Holy Spirit.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
Witnesses are just following orders from God.. the isrealites always had something to say to moses.etc! Yall hav issues with following Gods word... Everyone critisized noah! Jews killed there savior! Worshipping God the right way conflicts with yalls life. Thats why u hate them...Dont shoot the messengers!
relefordnation 1 month ago
@relefordnation Here I thought Jehovah's Witnesses had no sense of humor.
WITNESSES believe we hate them, because in the bible it says many will hate God himself, and somehow think that applies to them aswell. WE HATE WITNESSES for many completely different reasons.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
this is an example of retards who misinterpret the bible and jehovahs witness.
123futurecna 1 month ago
obviously its the same person acting in the video.. i dont see the point of this man making this video...its so ugly and boring. well ta ta
123futurecna 1 month ago
Jehovah's witnesses don't have beards! lol FAKE!
JulianAIDC 1 month ago
@JulianAIDC Tell me, why is that Jesus is portrayed by all religions as having a neatly trimmed beard, YET your organisation frowns upon it?
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
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TheLoner83 1 month ago
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@SpeedCam1501
Actually "MY ORGANIZATION" frowns upon beards here in the U.S. because the society we live in, is a "clean-cut" society, not just JWs if you go on a job interview, more than likely they would prefer a "clean-cut" person, to represent them. There are several countries out of 500 languages we teaching where the brothers do where beards.
K...NEXT ! TheLoner83 1 second ago
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 You still haven't stated why you or any other religion and cult displays Jesus Christ as having a beard?
Now last I checked to get into heaven, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE, and religion isn't a job interview, also if you have a neat beard employers don't mind how you look!!!
Jehovah's Witnesses are nothing more than a MAN-MADE CULT ORGANIZATION... In which God has no part in, it's controlled and directed by MAN, NOT GOD!!!
OKAY NEXT!!!
Shut up next time you feel cocky.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
Im feeling cocky again. I really dont care what had,on or wore ! By the that logic, you may as well start from the feet, and sandles to the robes he wore ! You can even where the crown of THORNES if you want !
We were not instructed to dress like Christ...beards and all ! If you want to where it, fine for you, but dont try to make a beard and issue of salvation !
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 Yet you were instructed to KNOCK ON PEOPLES DOORS WHILE THEY ARE AT HOME... A complete invasion of their privacy HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM yet the bible says nothing about DOOR-KNOCKING, that part is your organizations words (a mans words) not God's.
Also to frown upon something that Christ had, is incredibly stupid and hypocritical... I'm just merely stating facts, not my fault if you cannot handle that.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
you know what, at least i have a religion, you on other hand were thrown of JWs, and you're too bitter and angry to MOVE ON with your life ! What do you belive ?
Does it bother you to know that no matter how much, hate us we are still growing and increasing, while you're standing outside our conventions, like a scorned woman crying for attention, we cant even hear you, or acknowledge your presence !
We are happy you left, we dont miss you, or care about you.
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 Also now you are tap-dancing around the issue, fact is you believe that you must have a NEAT LOOK at all times and it in some warped way pleases God.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
You can cal me all the names you want , i really dont care what you think. Im will not retaliate, and call you names BECAUSE IM NOT IN KINDERGARTEN ! Would you finally ike to address, john 1;18 ?
Has any man seen god ? YES OR NO
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 If I were you I'd stop being so prideful in yourself... It's a Sin, and God definitely frown's upon that.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
Prideful !?
so basically you JWs to a higher standard ! Dand sucks that they threw you out !
TheLoner83 1 month ago
@TheLoner83 I'm sorry, I was never a Jehovah's Witness :) So I was never thrown out! personally I just don't like your cult I've both seen and heard (from close friends) what they can do. Also your beliefs are ridiculous and pathetic. Also pride is a sin, so being prideful in yourselves isn't a good thing.
OH WOW, you're growing in number that just means what? OH YEAH the other 99% of the world including myself are actually living a life without being controlled or fearing your organization :D
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501
GOOD im glad you'll never join, but keep whining online OK
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
@TheLoner83 Took you long enough to think of a reply to that aye.
SpeedCam1501 4 weeks ago
@SpeedCam1501 all the religions r made by man
conkerdude891 1 month ago
@conkerdude891 I'm aware of that, which is why I do not follow a religion or cult.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@conkerdude891
If you'd look in the bible, you'd know that God has always dealt with his people in an organizational setting. Even in heaven, God staitons the angels in an orgazational setting. Remember when Satan walked into God heavenly court ?
So Dont join, but dont MAKE A RULE that there is something with orgizational structure. You say you're gonna do your own thing, FINE; but just know God NEVER directed anyone 1 person alone, it was alway cooperation.
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
@TheLoner83 russel, noah, abraham, paul, moses, i think thats enough for yout to rethink your statement.
SixStringDeity 4 weeks ago
@SixStringDeity
Uhh dude they didnot act alone first off, the reason moses were around and others were SENT TO HELP GODS PEOPLE, hello. Even in moses day noahs day THERE WAS ALWAY ORGANIZATION
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
@TheLoner83 uh, "dude", noah ? no organization. abraham? no roganization? moses? no organization was the thing that god used to save his people. it was a single man, in midian, he called personally. I didnt say god didnt have people, in the case of moses. he did not have an ORGANIZATION that spoke for him, ordered his people, and thought tlike the Watchtower. At the time of israel, yes, he used that group. he also used solitary men whne that organization became apostate
SixStringDeity 4 weeks ago
@SixStringDeity
uh dude, NOAH WAS THE LEADER OF HIS OWN FAMILY, and he was to lead anyone else that happened to heed his warning. After the flood, noah children had children who LATER BECAME GODS NATION. ( STILL ORGANIZATION ) Even abraham was told that he would become a great nation ! Also who did MOSES LEAD OUT OF EGYPT, himself !? (organization) So UHHH you can retract. You try reading the account !
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
@TheLoner83 so a family is Gods organization? and abrahms promise to become a nation, tho he wasnt at the time, is an organization? who led moses out of Egypt??lol God, one GUY, if you will, and one man. no organization of elders, governing body, apostles, nothing. i assume your 5 , in the way your answering this, so Im not gonna go any further. yu clearly want to believe what you believe. good for you. enjoy
SixStringDeity 4 weeks ago
@TheLoner83 my point,and you know what it is, is that no group has any claim to be some kind of solitary, authority, just because its an organization. God PRIMARILY used individuals in the Bible, but, no matter what, Jesus NEVER said to come to salvation thru any church or organization, but to come to him personally. that means, HIM, not the wt, not the mormon church, not the catholic church, or anyone else who claims the same nonsense about being gods true channel.
SixStringDeity 4 weeks ago
@SixStringDeity where did jesus says to come to him and not to god ?
julecezar213 4 weeks ago
@julecezar213 when did is ay that? you know very well he said no one can come to the father without coming to him. he never said that coming to him, included, coming to the watchtower, 2k years later, only. how did you come to him during this apostasy time, of 2k years? church. what church? many different ones obviously. it wasnt perfect doctrine, it was coming to him and being born again. as he said. a building, or certain bag of doctrines is not the point.
SixStringDeity 4 weeks ago
@SixStringDeity
I didnt say you had to belive anything about JWs, in fact DONT CARE WHAT YOU BELIVE ! But just because you want to IGNORE the fact that God works in an organized way, does not THE PROOF IS NOT THERE AS YOU CAN SEE !
TheLoner83 4 weeks ago
@TheLoner83 well, thanks for not caring what I believe... if you were truly concerned asa christian, you would. if im wrong, ill gladly look at that. as you should. but, your obviously highly emotional, and interested in being right, only. good day
SixStringDeity 4 weeks ago
very, very welll put.
iaadotlk1 1 month ago
Posting a fake conversation with yourself is not a good way to get cult victims to start thinking. Especially when you don't even bother to label it "dramatization" (that even an idiot can tell it is such notwithstanding).
mark100net 1 month ago
@mark100net thats right
123futurecna 1 month ago
fake and staged
RallenXai 1 month ago
@RallenXai
clearly...
leafclash 1 month ago
hey, is it just us two on this page now speedcam?!! LOL.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 I think it might be. haha.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@seedcam, how is everlastung life selfish?, When is promised by god for us to have free?. Have a good life.
SoldMySoul4Rich 1 month ago
@SoldMySoul4Rich Because human's are not suppose to have every-lasting life, it's why it would have been taken away in the first place... Wanting to 'live' forever is quite selfish, what you can't be incredibly happy with a normal mortal life?
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
your a moron speedcam XD....
SoldMySoul4Rich 1 month ago
@SoldMySoul4Rich Hmm foul mouth now, weren't you saying that's a sin? :/
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
Forceful approach??? This guy speed is a clown. Lol. Where do you get your information from speedcam??? A man?? A imperfect man? I rather follow the Bible. Speedcam what religion are you?
T0pMySwaqq 1 month ago
@T0pMySwaqq Yes! Door-knocking is considered a forceful approach, as it makes people approach others when they are at home, in their personal space... Jesus never went door-knocking, he spread the word to those that were around, and that's how Jesus spread the word.
I'm not a part of any religion, if I wanted to follow god I'd get a bible, but I wouldn't join an organised religion or cult.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
This is so false. So what is the reason for the earth? God created the earth for nothing. My parents are JW and I really believe it is the truth. So much hat toward JW they must be doing something right. No way that the JW are a cult. Knocking from door to door is not wrong. Jesus said preach to people. They may not be Jesus but they are following Jesus very good.
T0pMySwaqq 1 month ago
@T0pMySwaqq The earth is place where we can live and enjoy our life, there is no higher purpose for it. Religion always seems to need a number of reasons and purposes for something.
Believe it's the truth all you want, given that you've grown up around JW I wouldn't expect you to have clear views on the matter/
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@speedcam, you deffinately have a hard time understanding peoples view points. I explain what an athiest and what is a theism. Make a research for yourself for once and look if you want to critize all day and not reason like normal person will then I had enough of you. I hope you have a good life settling with not having everlasting live, take care.
SoldMySoul4Rich 1 month ago
@SoldMySoul4Rich You explained yes what an atheist and atheism are... You explained my beliefs, which do not fit the criteria of an atheist or for that matter atheism views.
Perhaps you'd like to rewrite your comments and this particular topic, obviously you failed to prove anything with them.
Also I'm happy with just the one life, wanting everlasting life and trying to earn it is just plain Greed... That's if everlasting life is even attainable, good luck with that.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
Rev 19:1 its says "I (heard what was as) a loud voice of a great crowd (in) heaven." He is saying he heard a voice in heaven that was just as loud as a great crowd. Not that they were in heaven. He HEARD!
M1keGo1ngHam 1 month ago
This video was so stupid. You have the right to believe what you want but don't critize Jehovah Witnesses because they believe the truth. Everything the Bible says they go by.
M1keGo1ngHam 1 month ago
@M1keGo1ngHam You believe in a human interpretation of the truth, just because you think you go by everything the bible says.
You forget you're part of an organisation, where the beliefs of the organisation come from interpretations and limited understanding of the bible and all it's so-called knowledge and teachings.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 So, you are saying that the Bible is not true? Everything the Bible says that will happen on the earth is happening. Food storages, "great" earthquakes, men lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God, and men laying with men. The Bible tells it all. I believe the Bible! I think it is real enough for anybody to understand.
M1keGo1ngHam 1 month ago
@M1keGo1ngHam That list of things you just mentioned, anyone with half a mind and understanding of the world could have seen coming, as for the men with men part, who gives a shit who someone sleeps with, it's their choice.
Now God gave people free-will, to choose what they want to do, not have OPTIONS given to them, and to choose between them, that's not free-will.
Also the bible 'may not be true', however jw are never going to be true, no matter what they believe.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 Speedcam, you can't interpret any religion's beliefs unless you study the bible yourself. To be on here saying it's a 'limited understaning' means nothing from someone who is biblicly ignorant. Dont' get all pissy bout what i'm saying neither, i'm just telling you the truth. Bottom line is you need a bible study more than you know my ozzie friend. Then you will see who has the best understanding of it. That's the only way.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 Okay this is where you're starting to annoy me, not because you think it's the truth, but because it's a load of lying crap.
I have studied bibles, and not just in one religion or cult, but many... Now JW strongly believe that only they have the truth, and that their members will be saved above everyone else in the world, and you say I'm ignorant? Someday the Sin, Pride will have a picture of a JW as a definition.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 "load of lying crap'. You aint studied nothin! i know this because you do not show any scriptural knowledge to reveal it, EVER. You do not debate scripture from any other standpoint (Trinitarian belief etc, which is popular), EVER. You just nit pick the JW's basically. And FYI the don't think they are the only ones saved, if you really understood them, you'd know that too. what do you want me to say to you? yeah speedo, the JW's are this and that. NO! i'm not going to!!
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 Careful now, you're starting to use your foul mouth again, Jehovah won't like that.
I don't need to show you any scriptural knowledge, I don't need a bible to explain my answers, that's why I'm using actual facts on JW and their beliefs, their history (if you can call it that), and the way the run things.
JW are not as perfect or even better than other religions or cults, as you and every other jw or jw loving person believes.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 Okay JW do strongly believe they are the only ones with the Truth, and that all other religious groups lie... I know for a fact I'm not wrong on that matter.
If I'm starting to annoy you, then that shows signs of some minor doubt, otherwise you'd be perfectly relaxed and calm about this entire conversation.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@M1keGo1ngHam Also in answer to your question, YES, mormon's are a cult, not just jehovah's witnesses.
Last I checked jw's try to apparently follow God, not Jesus. They believe Jesus is the ArchAngel Michael, so unless Michael/Jesus is God, I'm sorry but you wouldn't be worth going into any further argument here, as you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Also door-knocking is considered a forceful approach to gain members. Hopefully you will think twice before saying anything again.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 You just don't understand, maybe you should try to listen to one of Jehovah Witnesses one day. They don't force you to do anything. Jesus preached to people all over the land. So, how are Jehovah Witnesses not following him? At Matt 28:19, 20 it says Jesus said "Go and make disciples" so we can't make disciples if we don't go knock on peoples doors. This is one of the best organization no this is the only organization I love. Full with brotherly love.
M1keGo1ngHam 1 month ago
@M1keGo1ngHam You're not very bright are you? I said door-knocking is considered a forceful approach, whether you understand that I don't care.
Also if the bible said that aliens were real, would you believe that too? With the bible it's all 'he said that this person said this' there is absolutely no proof, words are not enough, words can be exaggerated, words can be misinterpreted, words can be changed to fit the needs of others. Also Jesus may have preached, but jw's are not jesus.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 See? how many times do you have to be told about door knocking!! I already went through it with you, what part of 'go out & make disciples of me', don't you understand!! You got a better idea than God had for his believers??? . AGAIN. ACTS 6 42, 'And EVERYDAY in the temple & from HOUSE TO HOUSE they continued without letup teaching & declaring the good news about the Christ Jesus'. Forceful too then in YOUR mind. That's what they did in those days, no phones, computors etc. house.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 That depends, how many times do your interpretations and understandings on the matter have to be wrong?
See in jw's and your minds, you think "going out and making disciples" means door-knocking, because it's what you think they did in the time of Jesus (if he was ever real, given there is no proof of his existence).
I already explained in my last comment on the matter how word was more than likely spread about God and his will, which more than fits the description of ACT 6:42.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 Okay, i've had enough. Enough of Speedcam that i'm not even reading anymore than this box on ACTs 6 42 which doesn't exist. i said ACTS 6. That means read from the beginning! OH Jeez. i think there's something wrong with you, do you do drugs!! cos i can't think of any other reason why this isn't sinking in to your head really! I don't have time for it anymore, i got other's to talk to that can relate, you don't know a damn thing about the Bible, other's at least do. Bye.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 "AGAIN. ACTS 6 42, 'And EVERYDAY in the temple & from HOUSE TO HOUSE" your words not mine.
Clearly someone wasn't watching what they were saying.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 Don't "clearly watch what they were sa;ying me!". i have told you over and over and over on doorknocking and why it is NOT FORCEFUL. ACTS 6, DID YOU READ IT? YES OR NO? IF YES, THEN THERE IS YOUR ANSWER TO WHAT HAPPENS when they went preaching house to house!! darnit kid! it's that easy to just say, 'oh ok, i get it'. i suppose you're right. So what!. ONE MORE TIME, THERE IS NOUGHT WRONG WITH DOORKNOCKING. JESUS WENT OUT AND PREACHED, END OF TOPIC.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 I have read ACTS 6 numerous amounts of times, and there is nothing about DOOR-KNOCKING on there, also throughout the bible there is no mention of JESUS CHRIST ever going DOOR-KNOCKING.
Door knocking is a forceful approach, as you interrupt people while they are at home, and sometimes you even come around for a second go at trying to recruit them, Jesus' word was spread thanks to gossip NOTHING MORE!
It's not easy to say oh ok i get it, because what's there to get from a clear lie.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 Right that's it! i'm on the next flight to Sydney, and gonna hunt you down!! LOL. Acts 6 reads, Now in these days, when the disciples were increasing'. I already told you they went to peoples houses to preach, as well as on the streets etc, and what happens? the disciples increased, they got more followers of Jesus. This is the biblical version of 'doorknocking'. JW's follow Jesus's command in Matt 28 19 "Go and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the etc
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 I'll meet you then at the Sydney airport shall I, save you some time TRYING to find me.
Okay it's clear how Jesus and his disciples preached, and it's clear how the JW's preach... It is not the same way, you record all your preachings door-to-door, Jesus never done that, in fact he never went door-to-door... JW's go door-to-door in order to EARN their salvation, Jesus preached cause he wanted to spread hope to the world, by trying to prove to others there is a god.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 It isn't forceful. The doorbell rings, you open it, two smiling faces stand there & introduce themselves oh so politely and friendly. Explain who they are, offer up a WT, may ask a few questions, if the person is non responsive, depending on body language and what they say, they move on. They will return if no one answers, the do not know, maybe someone works nights and was sleeping. now stop arguing about the damn doorknocking! It's like sales, except their selling God.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 You approach people at their own homes, why can't you be more like Christians go to community festivals and markets, try spreading the word of your jehovah that way? It would fit well with what Jesus tried doing back in his time, rather than door knocking.
Also, just because one smiles, and is polite and friendly... Could more than very well be a deceptive act, I'm pretty sure Lucifer would try doing things in the same way to gain control over people.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 i will just add this though, PLEASE PLEASE look up and watch about the FLDS on youtube. This will show you what a cult really is. It's amazing that it is still going on in this country. I watched 'Anderson' on tv last night who had Jeffs brother on there, and some escapees. 40 plus relatives? numerous wives? Try studying that sick spin off from the LDS who belive still that Polygamy is biblical, so they justify it, and it is not. serious, look at that. JW IS FAR FAR AWAY FROM IT.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 Mormon's are a cult, so why would knock-off members that decided to make their own churches be any different?
Leroy, member and leader of FLDS had 22 known wives, and 60 children, though claims have been made that he had 60+ wives before he died.
The Jeff's brothers were both idiots, Rulon because he quite the ego, if you want to research more on him till he died, and Warren because he had so many lawsuits slapped on him.
JW are still just as bad, though not for the same reasons.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 They are not just as bad, now you're sounding like a fool. a young one at that. look, why does someone of your age, you say you're 20 want to keep on about any religion?. You don't believe in a true God, so get off if it speedcam and talk about something else! Warren Jeffs is in prison honey cos of sexual abuse on young girls ok?. The town of Colorado city is all caught in the FLDS even their local police! If you cannot see what a real cult is, then there's summit wrong with you
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 I've already agreed with you that FLDS is a cult.
However this video was never about FLDS was it? If it were then I'd be talking about the FLDS instead of the Jehovah's Witnesses. But no you'd prefer to shift this talk onto a cult that wasn't even mentioned here till you brought it up to try and get me off JW's backs.
"You say you're 20" I am 20, I don't know how hard that is for you to get through that thick skull of yours, and you say I'm a brick wall.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 I used the FLDS as that is a practicing cult, and has been in the news here alot lately as Warren Jeffs was finally convicted and imprisoned. Yet, it's still going on. You call the Witnesses a cult and i've said a million times they aint, and decided to use that as an example of what a cult is and does. The witnesses DO NOT ACT LIKE THAT IN THE NAME OF JHVH.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 Unfortunately I can only read what comes out in the media online, and in books about the FLDS, seeing as they don't exist anywhere near where I live, only the LDS.
You may have said it ain't a cult, but beginning of our little debate I gave you more than enough actions of the JW's that are like that of a cult's actions, also the bible does say not to put your faith and trust in false prophets, again another reason why 75+% of the WORLD do not believe you possess the truth.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 a better estimate is 99.91428571% don't agree. If I had an opinion with a differing consensus of that ratio I would at least re-evaluate what I was trying to shove down everyone's throat.
KeissRandomKeissen 1 month ago
@KeissRandomKeissen Forgive me, I failed maths, since there is around 7 billion, and only around 7 million jehovahs, honestly it's not worth calculating correctly, hence why I just said 75+% :)
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 that's 99% J'dubs are .01% I think I did the math correctly. I may have to redo it but this is funny xD
JoelB3783 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 If they preach the correct word of God, then they are not a cult. Get off of it. There is no secrecy. Jesus said this, ' The world has no reason to hate you, but it hates me, because i bear witness concerning it that its works are wicked'. Why are they the most persecuted religion?. Matt 7.14" whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, & FEW are the ones finding it'. Come the Trib, how many do you think will get through Speed cam? Billions?. Nope.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 If they preach their own interpretations of God's words, then they are :)
Jehovah's Witnesses do have secrets, I've seen and witnessed myself many jw's that run off when they cannot answer certain questions, or they label you an apostate or follower of Lucifer (Satan, if we need to be proper here) and then piss off.
If God cannot save EVERYONE, he is not a God. If he is able, but not willing, then he is malevolent.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 They preach God's word's correctly. They try to live clean lives. They know that we are imperfect. Maybe the ones who walked off, were not that confident 'out in the field', there could be more than one reason. i wouldn't have ran off. i have to learn to zip it, if someone gets nasty. That would be my downfall, i can't stand uneccessary rudeness. God isn't going to save everyone, he never said that. That is where our gift of free will comes in. He is not controlling what we do.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 They ASSUME that they preach God's words correctly, however given that jw's don't possess the TRUTH, how can they be correct, the truth is never wrong, yet jw's are more than too often wrong about so many things, not just their prophecies.
If they are not that confident out in the field, they shouldn't be in the organisation, because lack of confidence would show lack of faith and understanding of the bible.
SpeedCam1501 1 month ago
@SpeedCam1501 you have your opinion of them based upon what you've read is all. you havn't spent enough time with them. you do not understand the Bible, yet you seem to think you can debate on it!! ridiculous! How could i debate to a microbiologist if i havn't studied or read anything on the subject, i'd hardly be qualified. you need to go back and get qualified to debate, NOT ATTACK religions. or, just drop the subject and get on with your life.
queue555 1 month ago
@queue555 I spent more than enough time with Jehovah's Witnesses, to know that they are all the same... And no offence but not one J.W. has proven that wrong.
I do understand the bible, but I DO NOT USE THE BIBLE to answer questions, or give MY OWN reasons, or to DEFEND certain things.
I more than meet the level of qualification to debate religion with you or any other JW on here.
Also quit telling me to leave, and "get on with my life", you clearly do