first comment, every religion is man trying to reach God on his/her own terms. the righteousness of man is as filthy rags in Gods eyes. its like trying to wash off mud by bathing in a mud puddle.
second, no matter what family a child is born into, the child carries with it a sinful nature. with that said, a child is'nt accountable for its sin ontill it is mature enough to understand right from wrong.its not about religion, its man being acceptable to God through Christ Jesus.
You say you go through Catholic Teaching. Do you realize the Catholic Church states there is no salvation outside of Christ(the Church)? Unum Sanctum. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus "Outside the Church there is no salvation".
that is not the teaching of the catholic church today. unum sanctum was directed to french catholics who were unsure of whether to side with the french govt or the church/pope hundreds of years ago during the struggle for power between church, crown, and nobility. those statements must be put into context. also, just because a pope says something, doesn't mean that what he says is the doctrine of the church. any priest or bishop will tell you that the church does not condemn non-catholics.
No, that statement is still binding and infallible. It was declared in the fourth latreran counsel. The only way someone can be saved outside the church is by invisable ignorance the CCC states.
uh not in the way you interpret it. one has to acknowledge that the catholic church is the true way and then turn away from it. however, i'm saying that these non-christians do not acknowledge that the church is the true way. they are adamant believers of their religion and believe theirs is the true way. see the second vatican council's lumen gentium.
what is your source of authority? where do you go to get your facts and truths from? I'd like to know because you sound like you have a lot of information. Thank you.
1) the bible, 2) catholic teaching and catechism, 3) the brain God gave me (basic logic)....the laws of nature that we hold true today (gravity, motion, etc) were established through use of the human brain...its amazing what we can do when we don't taking everything we're told for granted :)
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36
i'm not antichrist...i believe Christ is God, but i do not think the entire bible should be taken literally...the bible is God's word says who? the bible? you can't use the book to justify itself...that's circular reasoning
Did you even think about what vrlobo88 had said? Calling him an "Antichrist" truly makes you seem simple-minded and ignorant. Please think before you speak.
What's more evil? Burning people in a lake of fire for being born into a non-Christian faith, or a loving God who is accepting of people of a varying faith, since many are indoctrinated into their respective religion?
babakn25, if "God loves people," then what sense does it make for God to burn them for eternity? It's a stark contradiction, which caused many to reject religion altogether.
What do u do with John 14:6 and Galatians 1:8? Also, there is not a single good human being on the face of this Earth, all of us r under the curse of sin, all of us r vile and wicked. the only human throughout history who was truly good was Jesus Christ. No one willl ever want to be saved from their sins unless they r granted repentance and faith, both of which come from God in lite of John 3:19-20 & 6:44. If u r saved, u r saved by Grace(unmerited favor) thru Faith(which comes with repentance).
we are not vile and wicked...we are the glorious creation of God, who gave us free will and knows/sympathizes that we will screw up eventually...i will address john 14:6 now, but not galatians 1:8 because discussing paul takes too long. take a look at the parable of sheep and goats (mt 25:31-46). Jesus speaks about how the righteous care for their fellow man and that such behavior warrants admission to heaven. also, Jesus said, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34)
1-no one does good or seeks God, any one who's truly a Christian knows that in their flesh dwells no good thing(Rom.7:18), that we do a battle against a 3-fold enemy:WorldFleshDevil. 2-the will is really not as free as we would assume, it's actually controlled by the heart which is deceitful & wicked(Jer 17:9). 3-what's going on in Gal. 1:8 is that Paul was warning against the possibility of introducing a different Jesus, one that contradicts the real Jesus who said he was the only way(Jn 14:6).
4-ur right, we do screw up and sin, that is y we need to repent. 5-the parable of the sheep and the goats is actually one of true and false conversions. those who love other Christians(and their pagan friends too) and those who claim to be Christian and r yet loveless, it does not say good works get u into heaven. 6-"...all our righteous acts are like filthy rags." Isaiah 64:6. 7-if som1 is a Christian they do have the fruit of good works, but good works dont save, it's grace that saves.
one does not have to see themselves as wicked in order to be a good Christian...i'm not sure where you got that idea...our bodies are the temple of God not a cesspool of sin...if you want to go back and forth with quotes: "Whosoever is born of God committeth not sin: for his seed abideth in him. And he cannot sin, because he is born of God" (1 John 3:9).
...i disagree with your interpretation of the parable...Jesus died for both the sheeps and the goats..Even though the goats are the ones who did not choose Him, the price for their sin has been paid for.
1John chapter 1 explains that Christians do sin, that is y they not only continue to believe, they continue to repent too. IF you've never seen yourself lost, how do we know you've been saved(or became a Christian, by Grace not works)? What do u think about the born-again concept of John 3 & why did Jesus say to enter the strait & narrow gate?
i'm not denying that we sin as humans...i merely quoted that line to show that the bible has contradictions, so we cannot always take things at face value...however, i do not believe that we are unworthy, sinful creatures that must grovel....i think God realizes that we're going to screw up and that He does not want to live our lives in self loathing
well 1Jn 3:9 & 1Jn 1:9 arent contradicting each other, one is talking about Christians wont live in a lifestyle of sin and the other talks about how Christians will battle sin until Christ returns. Yet I see a bit of self-righteousness in some of the things u say, things such as, "...i do not believe that we are unworthy, sinful creatures..." The fact stand that no one is good, we all r vile, wicked sinners unworthy of God's mercy yet he extends it to us when we dont deserve it, that's Grace.
well when God created all things, inc.luding humans, they were good but sin entered into the world and brought with it a curse. Nonetheless, to say we're good when there is none good but God is self-righteous cuz all have sinned and there r none who do good.
i don't feel we are cursed...also i think the rest is semantics....it is not self-righteous to say we are good....it is self-righteous to claim that we are perfect, for only God is.
definately...God would rather one help someone than merely memorize passages. one cannot have faith without doing what faith calls them to do (good works). the two are symbiotic. to say otherwise is like saying as long as i know it's wrong to steal, i'm okay; if i steal, that really doesn't matter because i believe it is wrong and that's all that counts...cliche, but it's true: actions speak louder than words
sonkidonki, before you take the bible word for word you must evaluate it and know for sure that it is the Word of God and not what someone says is the His word....anyone can say God supports this and God supports that, but does He really? Our last resort is to use the brain He has gifted us with.
i dont agree with your interpretations. theres no godly advice backed up and all of it. i dunn care about anything you say...i want to hear gods word backing it up. your interpretation is more earthly based than scripture. you have to read the whole book to understand what God truly meant. before you criticize others, you gotta examine yourself and life style first. read the bible more...
i think people who claim to be athiest may be attempting to distance themselves with religion which distorts the true image of God. i look at the world this way: i exist. everything comes from something. therefore, i come from something. whatever that something is, is God. how would one argue against that? would they say i don't exist? the existence of God can almost be that simple.
Sounds a lot like Einstein or Spinoza's concept of god. Do you attach any label to your own religious beliefs, pantheism or deism for example?
As an atheist I've always been very fond of that whole concept of spirituality as it's wonderfully free of dogma and encourages free-thought. There's a very knowledgeable deist on YouTube named JohnLArmstrong who makes some great videos on the subject of deism and religion in general that you might be interested in checking out.
well, i'm actually catholic (by title at least)...i got church regularly, etc...my family sent me to catholic school, which to their surprise did not brainwash me. instead, i was told to not just believe because "mommy and daddy said to" ....that's not faith...anyways, it was explained to me that the bible is not meant to be taken literally and that it has to be understood that those in the bible and the writers had a less developed (than today's) view of the world
i was encouraged to think "outside the box." i decided to look at things with both the bible and logic (something that unfortunately is often not taken into account by bible beaters).
i seek a balance between the two and believe that my whole life will be a spiritual journey of shaping my faith (i may never reach a conclusion)....i guess i can somewhat associate myself with deism at the basic level, but i wouldn't rule out Jesus being God, etc... i want to have a clear picture and truly investigate before i close the book on things.
Wonderfully rational video. I'm curious, where do you stand on the subject of atheism? If I do good but don't worship ANY god is that still "good enough for him"?
i don't have a solid stance on atheism (and if i put one here, it will be like throwing myself to the dogs once these nuts get a hold of it). but following what i believe in relation to other religions, doing what you believe is right is all that matters. there is nothing more pure and true to yourself than what you conceive to be just.
wow you are young and ignorant (no disrespect)Adam being made in the image of GOD after HIS likeness and having fellowship with HIM would tell you that Adams intelligence was way more advanced than where we are now.We have regressed being out of GODS fellowship for 4000 yrs until a way was made to restore that fellowship(JESUS).GOD would give us glimpses by words through HIS prophets of old.Knowledge is now increasing in leaps and bounds and we still are beneath where we are supposed to be.
the creation story is just a way to tell people to obey God; it is not meant to be taken literally. who would have been there to write it down? plus the first humans would be incapable of writing or talking...such forms of communication had yet to be developed
Just living good and getting along won't cut it.GOD created a seed time and harvest world we live in.We (you and I and all) were in the garden in the loins of Adam when the original sin took place.Christianity is the only"religion" that addresses sin with a "new birth" -sins payed for to start over.GOD sent HIS Son because HE loves us.HE was firm in the BIBLE that JESUS was to be sent.accept or reject is a choice.
that is assuming that the bible is not jewish ethnocentric rubbish (which i believe it to be). the bible sends many good messages, but it is obvious throughout that the writers had agendas other than that of God. as for original sin, i do not believe in it. why should i take the fall for someone else's crime?
just as angela is adamant about her christian beliefs, a non-christian is adamant about his or her beliefs. no one just abandons their faith for that of another.
watch my response to angela's reponse to my video to hear me rebutt her argument. i apologize for limiting my argument to children and not to all non-christians. God knows that one will cary with him or her what he or she learns at a young age. and therefore, God knows that if he or she is raised in religion X as a child, he or she is likely to practice that religion forever.
Again is this guy serious?
santiago262 1 year ago
first comment, every religion is man trying to reach God on his/her own terms. the righteousness of man is as filthy rags in Gods eyes. its like trying to wash off mud by bathing in a mud puddle.
second, no matter what family a child is born into, the child carries with it a sinful nature. with that said, a child is'nt accountable for its sin ontill it is mature enough to understand right from wrong.its not about religion, its man being acceptable to God through Christ Jesus.
lamboflife1 2 years ago
Adelphopoiesis is claimed by some as an early form of same-sex unions blessed by the church.
heinz57V 2 years ago
You're absolutely right; salvation solely through Jesus Christ makes absolutely no sense! I have the same views on the subject.
antidote2010 3 years ago
You say you go through Catholic Teaching. Do you realize the Catholic Church states there is no salvation outside of Christ(the Church)? Unum Sanctum. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus "Outside the Church there is no salvation".
Renton405 3 years ago
that is not the teaching of the catholic church today. unum sanctum was directed to french catholics who were unsure of whether to side with the french govt or the church/pope hundreds of years ago during the struggle for power between church, crown, and nobility. those statements must be put into context. also, just because a pope says something, doesn't mean that what he says is the doctrine of the church. any priest or bishop will tell you that the church does not condemn non-catholics.
vrlobo88 3 years ago
No, that statement is still binding and infallible. It was declared in the fourth latreran counsel. The only way someone can be saved outside the church is by invisable ignorance the CCC states.
Renton405 3 years ago
uh not in the way you interpret it. one has to acknowledge that the catholic church is the true way and then turn away from it. however, i'm saying that these non-christians do not acknowledge that the church is the true way. they are adamant believers of their religion and believe theirs is the true way. see the second vatican council's lumen gentium.
vrlobo88 3 years ago
what is your source of authority? where do you go to get your facts and truths from? I'd like to know because you sound like you have a lot of information. Thank you.
shanana000 3 years ago
1) the bible, 2) catholic teaching and catechism, 3) the brain God gave me (basic logic)....the laws of nature that we hold true today (gravity, motion, etc) were established through use of the human brain...its amazing what we can do when we don't taking everything we're told for granted :)
vrlobo88 3 years ago
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36
babakn25 3 years ago
like i said before, God didn't write that
vrlobo88 3 years ago
Like I said you are antichrist. Bible is Gods word!
babakn25 3 years ago
i'm not antichrist...i believe Christ is God, but i do not think the entire bible should be taken literally...the bible is God's word says who? the bible? you can't use the book to justify itself...that's circular reasoning
vrlobo88 3 years ago
LOL @ babakn25,
Did you even think about what vrlobo88 had said? Calling him an "Antichrist" truly makes you seem simple-minded and ignorant. Please think before you speak.
What's more evil? Burning people in a lake of fire for being born into a non-Christian faith, or a loving God who is accepting of people of a varying faith, since many are indoctrinated into their respective religion?
antidote2010 3 years ago
Salvation is Only and Only through Jesus Christ! Thats why he died for our sins.
If you will not accept Jesus as your personal saviour you will go to hell.
babakn25 3 years ago
i think you'll be pleasantly surprised someday when you realize this isn't true. 1 God, many paths.
vrlobo88 3 years ago
Read your Bible, thats what Bible says!
1 John 5:12
Acts 4:12
And many others...
babakn25 3 years ago
God didn't write/compile the Bible....men did...fallible men
vrlobo88 3 years ago
babakn25, if "God loves people," then what sense does it make for God to burn them for eternity? It's a stark contradiction, which caused many to reject religion altogether.
antidote2010 3 years ago
What do u do with John 14:6 and Galatians 1:8? Also, there is not a single good human being on the face of this Earth, all of us r under the curse of sin, all of us r vile and wicked. the only human throughout history who was truly good was Jesus Christ. No one willl ever want to be saved from their sins unless they r granted repentance and faith, both of which come from God in lite of John 3:19-20 & 6:44. If u r saved, u r saved by Grace(unmerited favor) thru Faith(which comes with repentance).
2corinthians710 4 years ago
we are not vile and wicked...we are the glorious creation of God, who gave us free will and knows/sympathizes that we will screw up eventually...i will address john 14:6 now, but not galatians 1:8 because discussing paul takes too long. take a look at the parable of sheep and goats (mt 25:31-46). Jesus speaks about how the righteous care for their fellow man and that such behavior warrants admission to heaven. also, Jesus said, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34)
vrlobo88 4 years ago
1-no one does good or seeks God, any one who's truly a Christian knows that in their flesh dwells no good thing(Rom.7:18), that we do a battle against a 3-fold enemy:WorldFleshDevil. 2-the will is really not as free as we would assume, it's actually controlled by the heart which is deceitful & wicked(Jer 17:9). 3-what's going on in Gal. 1:8 is that Paul was warning against the possibility of introducing a different Jesus, one that contradicts the real Jesus who said he was the only way(Jn 14:6).
2corinthians710 4 years ago
4-ur right, we do screw up and sin, that is y we need to repent. 5-the parable of the sheep and the goats is actually one of true and false conversions. those who love other Christians(and their pagan friends too) and those who claim to be Christian and r yet loveless, it does not say good works get u into heaven. 6-"...all our righteous acts are like filthy rags." Isaiah 64:6. 7-if som1 is a Christian they do have the fruit of good works, but good works dont save, it's grace that saves.
2corinthians710 4 years ago
one does not have to see themselves as wicked in order to be a good Christian...i'm not sure where you got that idea...our bodies are the temple of God not a cesspool of sin...if you want to go back and forth with quotes: "Whosoever is born of God committeth not sin: for his seed abideth in him. And he cannot sin, because he is born of God" (1 John 3:9).
vrlobo88 4 years ago
...i disagree with your interpretation of the parable...Jesus died for both the sheeps and the goats..Even though the goats are the ones who did not choose Him, the price for their sin has been paid for.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
1John chapter 1 explains that Christians do sin, that is y they not only continue to believe, they continue to repent too. IF you've never seen yourself lost, how do we know you've been saved(or became a Christian, by Grace not works)? What do u think about the born-again concept of John 3 & why did Jesus say to enter the strait & narrow gate?
2corinthians710 4 years ago
i'm not denying that we sin as humans...i merely quoted that line to show that the bible has contradictions, so we cannot always take things at face value...however, i do not believe that we are unworthy, sinful creatures that must grovel....i think God realizes that we're going to screw up and that He does not want to live our lives in self loathing
vrlobo88 4 years ago
well 1Jn 3:9 & 1Jn 1:9 arent contradicting each other, one is talking about Christians wont live in a lifestyle of sin and the other talks about how Christians will battle sin until Christ returns. Yet I see a bit of self-righteousness in some of the things u say, things such as, "...i do not believe that we are unworthy, sinful creatures..." The fact stand that no one is good, we all r vile, wicked sinners unworthy of God's mercy yet he extends it to us when we dont deserve it, that's Grace.
2corinthians710 4 years ago
you call it self-righteousness....i call it respect for my Creator in that he did not create crap but rather a beautiful creature.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
well when God created all things, inc.luding humans, they were good but sin entered into the world and brought with it a curse. Nonetheless, to say we're good when there is none good but God is self-righteous cuz all have sinned and there r none who do good.
2corinthians710 4 years ago
i don't feel we are cursed...also i think the rest is semantics....it is not self-righteous to say we are good....it is self-righteous to claim that we are perfect, for only God is.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
There's no salvation into faith alone.
The faith needs: to be escorted with the good doings for the OTHERS (specially those who are NOT your family, and NEED your help).
(and specially when it DOES cost you a few bucks with NO return).
I would NOT call myself self Christian, if I don't do BOTH of this. (or at least trying to) Period.
Faith ALONE, is but: the wind. You are soldier, that means: ACTION. (not hurting the others, but helping them).
oztronix 4 years ago
definately...God would rather one help someone than merely memorize passages. one cannot have faith without doing what faith calls them to do (good works). the two are symbiotic. to say otherwise is like saying as long as i know it's wrong to steal, i'm okay; if i steal, that really doesn't matter because i believe it is wrong and that's all that counts...cliche, but it's true: actions speak louder than words
vrlobo88 4 years ago
sonkidonki, before you take the bible word for word you must evaluate it and know for sure that it is the Word of God and not what someone says is the His word....anyone can say God supports this and God supports that, but does He really? Our last resort is to use the brain He has gifted us with.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
i dont agree with your interpretations. theres no godly advice backed up and all of it. i dunn care about anything you say...i want to hear gods word backing it up. your interpretation is more earthly based than scripture. you have to read the whole book to understand what God truly meant. before you criticize others, you gotta examine yourself and life style first. read the bible more...
sonkidonki 4 years ago
i think people who claim to be athiest may be attempting to distance themselves with religion which distorts the true image of God. i look at the world this way: i exist. everything comes from something. therefore, i come from something. whatever that something is, is God. how would one argue against that? would they say i don't exist? the existence of God can almost be that simple.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
Sounds a lot like Einstein or Spinoza's concept of god. Do you attach any label to your own religious beliefs, pantheism or deism for example?
As an atheist I've always been very fond of that whole concept of spirituality as it's wonderfully free of dogma and encourages free-thought. There's a very knowledgeable deist on YouTube named JohnLArmstrong who makes some great videos on the subject of deism and religion in general that you might be interested in checking out.
Keep up the good work!
spongecakezz 4 years ago
well, i'm actually catholic (by title at least)...i got church regularly, etc...my family sent me to catholic school, which to their surprise did not brainwash me. instead, i was told to not just believe because "mommy and daddy said to" ....that's not faith...anyways, it was explained to me that the bible is not meant to be taken literally and that it has to be understood that those in the bible and the writers had a less developed (than today's) view of the world
vrlobo88 4 years ago
i was encouraged to think "outside the box." i decided to look at things with both the bible and logic (something that unfortunately is often not taken into account by bible beaters).
vrlobo88 4 years ago
i seek a balance between the two and believe that my whole life will be a spiritual journey of shaping my faith (i may never reach a conclusion)....i guess i can somewhat associate myself with deism at the basic level, but i wouldn't rule out Jesus being God, etc... i want to have a clear picture and truly investigate before i close the book on things.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
Wonderfully rational video. I'm curious, where do you stand on the subject of atheism? If I do good but don't worship ANY god is that still "good enough for him"?
Nice T-shirt by the way.
spongecakezz 4 years ago
i don't have a solid stance on atheism (and if i put one here, it will be like throwing myself to the dogs once these nuts get a hold of it). but following what i believe in relation to other religions, doing what you believe is right is all that matters. there is nothing more pure and true to yourself than what you conceive to be just.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
wow you are young and ignorant (no disrespect)Adam being made in the image of GOD after HIS likeness and having fellowship with HIM would tell you that Adams intelligence was way more advanced than where we are now.We have regressed being out of GODS fellowship for 4000 yrs until a way was made to restore that fellowship(JESUS).GOD would give us glimpses by words through HIS prophets of old.Knowledge is now increasing in leaps and bounds and we still are beneath where we are supposed to be.
ubobvance 4 years ago
wow, so you believe in de-evolution...and i'm the nieve one?
vrlobo88 4 years ago
the creation story is just a way to tell people to obey God; it is not meant to be taken literally. who would have been there to write it down? plus the first humans would be incapable of writing or talking...such forms of communication had yet to be developed
vrlobo88 4 years ago
Just living good and getting along won't cut it.GOD created a seed time and harvest world we live in.We (you and I and all) were in the garden in the loins of Adam when the original sin took place.Christianity is the only"religion" that addresses sin with a "new birth" -sins payed for to start over.GOD sent HIS Son because HE loves us.HE was firm in the BIBLE that JESUS was to be sent.accept or reject is a choice.
ubobvance 4 years ago
that is assuming that the bible is not jewish ethnocentric rubbish (which i believe it to be). the bible sends many good messages, but it is obvious throughout that the writers had agendas other than that of God. as for original sin, i do not believe in it. why should i take the fall for someone else's crime?
vrlobo88 4 years ago
just as angela is adamant about her christian beliefs, a non-christian is adamant about his or her beliefs. no one just abandons their faith for that of another.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
watch my response to angela's reponse to my video to hear me rebutt her argument. i apologize for limiting my argument to children and not to all non-christians. God knows that one will cary with him or her what he or she learns at a young age. and therefore, God knows that if he or she is raised in religion X as a child, he or she is likely to practice that religion forever.
vrlobo88 4 years ago
Watch my video response to this message. It clears up his misconceptions.
AngelaforChrist 4 years ago
I agree with you. Wholly. And your shirt too (although I'm raised Hindu and believe in Jesus).
FluentinSarcasm 4 years ago